[05:11] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, hows it going?
[02:05] <laga> re
[07:06] <laga> bah
[07:06] <laga> bah bah bah.
[07:09] <tgm4883> bah bah bah bah
[07:09] <laga> thanks for approving my rtc-video-timing blueprint, btw
[07:10] <tgm4883> i figured since it said it was going into 7.10 that it should be approved instead of new
[07:10] <tgm4883> that way the new ones jump out as us a little more
[07:10] <laga> ah
[07:10] <laga> didn't know i selected it for 7.10
[07:10] <laga> any news wrt to the site?
[07:11] <tgm4883> i haven't seen superm1 or imbrandon around since i've been back
[07:12] <tgm4883> yea the rtc timing was selected for 7.10
[07:12] <tgm4883> the user jobs doesnt have a target release though
[07:14] <laga> that'd require some changes in packaging since those scripts are in the mythtv-doc package
[07:14] <laga> if they are packaged at all, there was a change in trunk
[07:15] <tgm4883> are we still planning on holding off on releasing until .21 gets released?
[07:16] <laga> AFAIK, we'll release when gutsy is released
[07:16] <laga> 0.21.. there is no ETA.
[07:16] <tgm4883> ah
[07:17] <tgm4883> that was the last I had heard of it was we were waiting for .21
[07:17] <laga> i doubt that's gonna happn
[07:17] <tgm4883> its starting to look like .21 is not getting any closer
[07:17] <laga> no
[07:17] <laga> the mythtv-vid branch is to be merged before 0.21
[07:17] <laga> which could delay it even further
[07:18] <laga> there'll be a 0.20.2 release, though, due to schedulesdirect.com
[07:19] <tgm4883> are any of the .21 features going to make it into .20.2 or is it just fixes
[07:19] <laga> i'm going to add support for SiS tv-outs to the installer. after that, i'm not sure what to do. svn packages are on hold since i can't seem to produce a working mythbuntu CD.
[07:20] <laga> it's just fixes i believe
[07:20] <tgm4883> ah is schedulesdirect the new zap2it
[07:20] <laga> yes
[07:21] <tgm4883> nice to have a solution to the problem
[07:22] <laga> not a problem to me ;)
[07:22] <laga> and TBH, i can't stand the bitching and whining anymore because of it. "it's too expensive" wah wah
[07:22] <laga> glad it'll be over soon ;)
[07:24] <tgm4883> $5 a month is too expensive???  Seriously, TiVo costs more than that
[07:24] <laga> heh
[07:24] <laga> they aim for $20/year
[07:24] <tgm4883> i hear the same thing about xbox live, which is just under $5 a month
[07:24] <laga> heh
[07:25] <laga> wow, ubiquity is big
[07:29] <laga> kudos to superm1 for hacking it ;)
[07:32] <laga> nice, it's debconfish
[07:39] <TelnetManta> Guys, whats the chan name for the main mythtv chan?
[07:39] <tgm4883> for development?
[07:39] <tgm4883> or for users?
[07:40] <TelnetManta> we, either. I used to autojoin one and now I cant find it
[07:40] <tgm4883> development is #mythtv and for users is #mythtv-users
[07:40] <TelnetManta> wonder why it doesnt show up in a chan search. odd
[07:41] <TelnetManta> thanks though!
[08:06] <laga> that's intentional ;)
[08:21] <nuuser2> ok
[08:22] <nuuser2> zis where 2 find help with setting up nd running mythtv on ubuntu?
[08:23] <laga> mebbe
[08:24] <nuuser2> i c
[08:24] <nuuser2> wut else do they talk aboot here?
[08:24] <laga> we talk english, mostly
[08:25] <nuuser2> u talk aboot the yanglish lengij?
[08:26] <laga> we use it as a communications device
[08:27] <nuuser2> i c. but wadya talk aboot?
[08:28] <laga> never mind
[08:28] <nuuser2> oh
[08:28] <nuuser2> is it private er sumthin?
[08:29] <laga> this channel is about mythtv on ubuntu and mythbuntu, a ubuntu-derived distribution around mythtv
[08:29] <laga> no
[08:29] <laga> i was giving you a clue to speak properly since it's really hard for me to understand what you say
[08:30] <nuuser2> oh. then it is where a feller can find help on settin up n runnin mythtv on ubuntu
[08:30] <nuuser2> mah yanglish be immakalet, i'll have ya no
[08:31] <nuuser2> but ah gears it to the medyum i's usin'
[08:31] <TelnetManta> oh boy..
[08:32] <nuuser2> irc have its own langij that don't bear no absolute resmlins to proper english
[08:33] <nuuser2> anyhooz, it'd appear that the place's almost deserted
[08:34] <nuuser2> lotsa names in the list, but nobuddy yakkin
[08:35] <nuuser2> be that az it may . . .
[08:36] <nuuser2> how duz a feller run mythtv-setup anew once he's gone thru the routine 1x?
[08:36] <tgm4883> type mythtv-setup in terminal
[08:36] <nuuser2> how do i get to a terminal?
[08:37] <tgm4883> are you running mythbuntu or ubuntu with mythtv installed
[08:37] <TelnetManta> it must take a lot of energy to speak like that.
[08:38] <tgm4883> to speak english or 1337?
[08:38] <tgm4883> or somewhere in between which seems to be this case
[08:39] <nuuser2> ubuntu with myth installed
[08:39] <nuuser2> started with the minimal cd and built up from there
[08:39] <tgm4883> do you have gnome?
[08:40] <nuuser2> no. openbox, it'd appear
[08:40] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:40] <tgm4883> ah
[08:40] <nuuser2> but any session i try to log in with as mythtv user i get the mythtv interface
[08:40] <tgm4883> what kind of setup is it?  FE/BE?  FE only?
[08:40] <nuuser2> FE/BE
[08:41] <nuuser2> i can get to a vt uh course
[08:41] <nuuser2> and even start an alternate xsession from there
[08:41] <tgm4883> laga, do you run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user or the regular user?
[08:41] <nuuser2> but it seems like i oughta be able to do it thru the main gui somehow
[08:42] <tgm4883> no, mythtv-setup is not run through the main gui
[08:42] <tgm4883> this is because mythtv-setup has to stop the backend to run properly
[08:42] <nuuser2> means i gotta start an alternate x session
[08:42] <nuuser2> and stp the backend
[08:42] <nuuser2> right?
[08:42] <tgm4883> well mythtv-setup will stop the backend for you
[08:43] <tgm4883> you should be able to log into openbox as the default user (not the mythtv user
[08:43] <tgm4883> )
[08:43] <nuuser2> k. i know i can do that. but is it suposed to be run by another user than mythtv?
[08:44] <tgm4883> i believe so, just a sec
[08:47] <nuuser2> wut is mythtv's passwd, btw?
[08:47] <tgm4883> yea you do run it as the other user
[08:47] <tgm4883> the mythtv user?
[08:47] <nuuser2> k
[08:47] <nuuser2> nvidia proprietary odules r in multiverse?
[08:47] <nuuser2> odules=modules
[08:49] <tgm4883> no restricted
[08:51] <nuuser2> user's gotabe added to mythtv group, btw. this indicates to me that mythtv shoul be able t do this, since that user's already a memeber of mythtv group
[08:59] <nuuser2> dual P3 (1.3Ghz), 1024 MB RAM, Adaptec SCSI ctrlr with 2 SCSI disks: sufficient resouces to run mythtv?
[09:00] <tgm4883> yes
[09:00] <tgm4883> well, depending on what you want to view, you probably won't get to view HD
[09:00] <nuuser2> don't want hd
[09:01] <tgm4883> then your fine
[09:01] <tgm4883> IMO one of the most important specs in a mythtv system is the tuner card
[09:01] <nuuser2> wut kinda capture card recommended? attraction of hd escapes me. i'm not really doin this cuz i like to watch alot of TV anyways. more of a learning project
[09:02] <tgm4883> PVR-150
[09:02] <tgm4883> it's a popular card that works OOB in feisty and has a hardware encoder
[09:02] <tgm4883> also comes with a remote (although I prefer the MCE remote)
[09:03] <nuuser2> i got a hauppage win tv 38101 (el cheapo). any1 have any experience with those?
[09:05] <tgm4883> a quick google says it should work in linux and mythtv
[09:08] <tgm4883> if you need tv out, the PVR-350 has that also, although I dont use that
[09:15] <superm1> Chadarius, you here?
[09:16] <Chadarius> Yeah hey... got some dialogue boxes that I'm finishing up todya
[09:16] <superm1> Chadarius, well i wasn't sure where you had ran off to, i took off and did some of the stuff myself
[09:16] <Chadarius> I need to tie them into an interface, but I'll have some stuff to show you probably tomorrow
[09:16] <superm1> so i hope that i didn't double up over what you did
[09:17] <Chadarius> well if anything I'm sure it will help us either way
[09:17] <superm1> do you have a gutsy VM or anything you can check out the branch i've got thus far and see what i did?
[09:17] <superm1> see what's been doubled up
[09:17] <Chadarius> yeah I'll check it out tonight
[09:18] <Chadarius> what's the url
[09:18] <superm1> here is the LP url
[09:18] <superm1> https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:18] <Chadarius> If anything I can integrate my stuff into what you have or vice versa
[09:18] <superm1> you'll need to install a few packages in order to run it
[09:18] <superm1> lirc
[09:19] <superm1> python-mysqldb
[09:19] <superm1> python-glade2, python-gtk2, python-mysqldb, lirc (>= 0.8.2-0ubuntu4), mythbuntu-lirc-generator, synaptic, restricted-manager, expect, vnc4-common, mythtv-common, gksudo, python-apt
[09:19] <Chadarius> k think I already have most of those in the vm already
[09:20] <superm1> okay well this week we need to be full speed ahead on this.  it needs to be done by the end of the week if its going to make it into gutsy
[09:20] <superm1> a lot of the interface is done, and the python code is tied pretty tightly to it
[09:20] <superm1> the big thing is a matter of making sure that it can do all the actions as advertised
[09:22] <superm1> tgm4883, with revu being down, you might want to consider posting your source package somewhere on your webspace along with the output of linda and lintian on the dsc as well as resultant debs , and just asking for someone in -motu to look it over
[09:23] <tgm4883> ok, will do
[09:28] <tgm4883> superm1, so i can just put the .diff.gz, .dsc, and .changes on my webspace or do I need the .orig.tar.gz too
[09:30] <superm1> Not the .changes
[09:30] <superm1> but all the rest
[09:31] <superm1> including the .orig.tar.gz
[09:40] <tgm4883> superm1, just want to make sure this is all i need
[09:40] <tgm4883> http://linux.weilandhomes.com
[09:41] <superm1> yea that should be about it
[09:41] <superm1> i'll give the packages a quick look over
[09:41] <superm1> make sure i dont catch anything
[09:41] <tgm4883> ok, i'll wait a bit to ask in #ubuntu-motu
[09:42] <superm1> actually i do see something
[09:42] <superm1> you are creating a Makefile in the diff.gz
[09:42] <superm1> which shouldn't be done
[09:42] <tgm4883> no makefile
[09:43] <superm1> there is one in diff.gz
[09:43] <superm1> extract it and you will see it
[09:43] <laga> re
[09:43] <superm1> hey laga
[09:43] <superm1> tgm4883, also debian/copyright
[09:43] <tgm4883> so if thats the case, I should remove that from the root
[09:44] <superm1> there are extra spaces at the top of the file
[09:44] <superm1> and check the license,
[09:44] <superm1> the source is GPLv2
[09:44] <superm1> but you claim the debian package to be GPLv3
[09:44] <superm1> you might want to just make it all GPLv2 for simplicities sake
[09:44] <laga> superm1: i'm going to add support for SiS tv-outs to ubiquity-mythbuntu. is that OK with you?
[09:44] <superm1> yes laga
[09:45] <superm1> laga, you understand how to correct?
[09:45] <tgm4883> so I can just change the 3 to 2 in the copyright file?  I took it from the GPL site
[09:45] <superm1> yea
[09:45] <tgm4883> ok
[09:45] <tgm4883> and remove the makefile from the root dir
[09:45] <laga> superm1: i'll find out, i 'spose
[09:46] <superm1> laga, are those sis tv out drivers proprietary?
[09:46] <superm1> or no
[09:46] <superm1> tgm4883, yea
[09:46] <laga> superm1: not proprietary. they should be shipped with ubuntu already.
[09:47] <superm1> laga, then the wording on that page needs to be changed
[09:47] <laga> superm1: yeah :(
[09:47] <superm1> because currently that page only activates on proprietary support
[09:47] <tgm4883> ok, the new files are uploaded
[09:47] <superm1> and its functionality of hiding dialog boxes and such too
[09:48] <laga> superm1: i'll try to wrap my head around glade then
[09:48] <superm1> laga, be careful with it, it's easy to break things :)
[09:48] <laga> superm1: heh
[09:48] <laga> superm1: any news on mythbuntu.org ?
[09:48] <superm1> laga, it was supposed to be up this weekend
[09:48] <superm1> i'm surprised its not still
[09:49] <superm1> i pinged imbrandon as soon as i got on
[09:49] <tgm4883> superm1, want to make a quick once over again?
[09:49] <superm1> tgm4883, looking, :)
[09:49] <laga> downtime is approaching "ridiculous" rapidly.
[09:49] <laga> superm1: i PM'ed him a few hours ago, no reply
[09:50] <superm1> laga, i've got the whole story wrg to why it all happened too, but i'm not sure he wants me to publicly share it all
[09:50] <superm1> once it's back up, things should be better and it shouldn't happen again
[09:50] <laga> superm1: you could privately share some parts in a private message ;)
[09:51] <tgm4883> stupid skynet, always trying to take over
[09:52] <laga> heh
[09:56] <superm1> tgm4883, looks good
[09:57] <tgm4883> sweet, i'll ask for a review
[10:12] <tgm4883_laptop> so when does schedulesdirect go live?
[10:12] <laga> before sept,1 i guess
[10:18] <superm1> me too
[10:46] <laga> superm1: how do you run ubiquity when it's not installed?
[10:46] <superm1> laga, you don't
[10:46] <superm1> you install it
[10:46] <superm1> when i do development on it, the way i do it is a i have a vm running
[10:47] <superm1> with it installed
[10:47] <superm1> and drop in my changes to the VM
[10:47] <superm1> in place where they would be installed to
[10:47] <laga> joy. :)
[10:47] <superm1> its the easiest way i found
[10:47] <laga> ah well, i've got a gutsy VM handy
[10:47] <superm1> if you grab ubiquity 1.5.8 it should reflect everythign in that branch
[10:48] <laga> even the mythbuntu specific stuff?
[10:48] <superm1> yews
[10:48] <superm1> yes
[10:48] <superm1> you just need to install ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu
[10:48] <superm1> which is in universe
[10:48] <laga> cool stuff.
[10:56] <laga> superm1: hum. i'll add a drop-down menu to "Additional Drivers/Firmware" asking the user to choose his VGA hardware if he needs tv-out. first entry will be SiS, maybe intel can be added later.
[10:58] <superm1> laga however you do, mind you that when that button is pressed, it detects proprietary drivers
[10:58] <superm1> be it nvidia or ati
[10:58] <superm1> but that could always go
[10:58] <laga> i could also add some lspci magic but that can get ugly, especially since it's only needed for tv-out.
[10:58] <superm1> just for functionalities sake, get something
[10:58] <superm1> doesn't need to be pretty
[10:58] <superm1> or final yet
[10:59] <laga> superm1: i have already found out how to show the tv-out configuration anyways.. let's see
[11:01] <laga> is there a glade app besides glade-3?
[11:02] <superm1> that's what i use
[11:02] <superm1> there is something called gtk-builder, but i've never messed with it
[11:03] <laga> i'll just bang my head against it till it works
[11:03] <superm1> what's happening ?
[11:03] <superm1> when you try to open the glade file
[11:04] <laga> i just got lost in it, that's all
[11:04] <laga> i'm slowly finding out how it works
[11:04] <superm1> yea it has its "quirks"
[11:05] <laga> i wonder how i can make it show me what i'm doing, eg a WYSIWYG approach
[11:06] <superm1> well it does show you what you are doing
[11:06] <superm1> double click the top level
[11:06] <superm1> on the right side
[11:06] <superm1> of the interface
[11:07] <laga> cool
[11:07] <laga> thanks
[11:07] <laga> i should RTFM
[11:14] <superm1> haha
[11:14] <superm1> took me a minute to figure that out too
[11:14] <superm1> not exactly intuitive
[11:14] <laga> no
[11:14] <laga> but i just managed to place a widget in the ui, too
[11:15] <superm1> be careful not to cut and paste widgets
[11:15] <superm1> it breaks the signals attached to them
[11:15] <superm1> and renames them
[11:15] <laga> because of their properties?
[11:15] <laga> ah
[11:16] <superm1> so if you do do so, then just make sure to look at that widget, as well as all child widgets
[11:16] <superm1> and rename everything as it is supposed to
[11:16] <superm1> be
[11:16] <laga> k
[11:16] <laga> i'll just not copy & paste anything
[11:17] <superm1> well sometimes you will need to when adding or changing vbox/hboxes
[11:17] <superm1> so just be careful when you do
[11:17] <laga> ok
[11:17] <laga> i'll play with a fresh box
[11:17] <laga> although the GF just returned from sweden...
[11:19] <superm1> well if you're anything like me, you'll find time around her:)
[11:21] <laga> luckily i read a guide about python programming with glade a while back.
[11:23] <superm1> well it's really not too bad once you get the feel for it
[11:23] <laga> i would be happier if it was PERL. but that's just because i'm lazy
[11:23] <superm1> well python reads pretty easy in general
[11:23] <superm1> so that's what i really like about it
[11:25] <laga> ubiquity looks like object-oriented code. i'm not familiar with that
[11:25] <laga> "inheritance" is a big conundrum to me
[11:25] <superm1> haha
[11:25] <superm1> it essentially means that you get all the functions of the class you inherit from
[11:26] <laga> k
[11:26] <superm1> and then you can override any of those functions too
[11:26] <laga> what does the "self.foo" mean?
[11:41] <superm1> that its a member of that class
[11:41] <superm1> not global or local
[11:51] <tgm4883> superm1 superm1_, should I ask every so often in #ubuntu-motu for a review or is once enough
[11:52] <superm1_> well that's an opinionated thing
[11:52] <superm1_> some MOTU get annoyed
[11:52] <superm1_> i try not to more than twice a day
[11:52] <tgm4883> so then dont do it
[11:52] <superm1_> and i try to ask when i know there are some motu who like to look at my stuff
[11:53] <tgm4883> ok, i'll ask again tonight (3 or 4 hours)
[11:53] <superm1_> if keescook isn't too busy today, you might be able to convince him to take a gander
[11:54] <Daviey> superm1_: any news from imbrandon?
[11:54] <superm1_> Daviey, not today
[11:54] <superm1_> i've been afk this weekend
[11:54] <superm1_> and off IRC as i've been moving
[11:54] <Daviey> moved okay?
[11:55] <superm1_> just have all the little odds and ends left to put away and then yes :)
[11:55] <superm1_> i've been up and about getting errands related to this semester's courses resolved too
[11:55] <superm1_> there already isn't enough time in a week i claim
[11:57] <Daviey> heh
[12:14] <keescook> superm1: they need to give you some motu status, is what needs to happen.  :)
[12:15] <superm1> keescook, I completely agree :)  I don't know what more I can do though for it, I don't have time for going through an triaging bugs and doing syncs and merges for packages not relevant to mythbuntu/mythtv usage, and it appears that is what ScottK says i'd probably need to do to get my name better out there
[12:15] <keescook> hmpf.
[12:16] <keescook> I think that's crap; you're touching all sorts of areas.  a motu doesn't need to be a jack-of-a-trades, imo.
[12:16] <keescook> so they turned you down this second time?
[12:16] <superm1> well there has been no response