[03:06] <joris_> ogra: are you online?
[03:10] <ogra> busy but here, yes
[03:13] <joris_> great :)
[03:13] <joris_> I'm setting up an LTSP server based on edubuntu feisty for a school
[03:14] <joris_> I'm told you're the guru on the subject
[03:14] <joris_> if/when I get really stuck, could I bug you on the subject?
[03:24] <ogra> sure
[03:24] <ogra> i'f i'm not around there are also plenty of people in #ltsp that can help :)
[03:49] <TheLambs> Hello all
[03:51] <highvoltage> hi TheLambs!
[03:52] <TheLambs> I have a server video resolution issue - I cant change it and it is awful
[03:52] <highvoltage> what display card does is have?
[03:52] <highvoltage> have you tried using a vesa driver?
[03:53] <TheLambs> During the install it didnt ask what I wanted... one moment on card spec...
[03:55] <TheLambs> Radeon Mobility M7 LW  (7500)
[03:55] <TheLambs> How to change driver?
[03:56] <highvoltage> dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority xserver-xorg
[03:56] <highvoltage> it will show you a list where you can choose another driver
[03:56] <highvoltage> if you manually want to change it
[03:56] <highvoltage> you can also edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:57] <TheLambs> Thanks - I will try that. I am SO used to SuSE's YAST - Ubuntu is kind of an alien environment.
[04:44] <TheLambs> highvoltage - all done -thanks!!!
[05:26] <sbalneav> ogra: hey, I understand things don't build anymore?
[05:28] <ogra> sbalneav, yeah
[05:28] <ogra> you added some m4 stuff ...
[05:28] <sbalneav> That's probably the gettext stuff
[05:28] <sbalneav> Well, I ran gettextize on the source dir
[05:29] <sbalneav> That's what the tutorials recommended, but I noticed that nothing else has a po, but there's one big po for the whole tree.
[05:29] <sbalneav> So maybe I don't need that stuff
[05:30] <sbalneav> If so, back out the m4 changes, and ditch ldm's po dir.
[05:30] <sbalneav> This is my first gettext, so I've probably done it wrong.
[05:35] <sbalneav> ogra: That something you could do for me?
[05:38] <ogra> sbalneav, sorry i'm in the middle of an important meeting, how long are you around ?
[05:38] <sbalneav> about 5 more minutes :(
[05:39] <sbalneav> Wost case, I'll be back friday
[05:39] <ogra> do i need anything in my build environment i'm probably missing ?
[05:40] <sbalneav> Shouldn't
[05:40] <ogra> aclocal: couldn't open directory `m4': No such file or directory
[05:40] <ogra> thats the error i get
[05:40] <sbalneav> hmm
[05:40] <sbalneav> hold on
[05:40] <ogra> if i create m4 manually i get "aclocal: macro `AM_PROG_MKDIR_P' required but not defined"
[05:40] <sbalneav> crap, maybe I didn't add the m4 dir.
[05:40] <sbalneav> k gimme 2 secs
[05:43] <sbalneav_> ok
[05:44] <sbalneav_> just added m4, pushing now
[05:44] <sbalneav_> ogra: Pushed up to revision 423.
[05:46] <ogra> ah, cool
[05:46] <sbalneav> That do it?
[05:46] <ogra> for now, yes
[05:47] <ogra> i'd rather not have the generated autofoo stuff in there, but we can strip later
[05:47] <sbalneav> right, I had no idea if I did it right.
[05:47] <sbalneav> We can patch things up from here
[05:48] <ogra> i'll upload it anyway before UVF ... if it builds or not :P
[05:48] <sbalneav> That's today, right?
[05:49] <sbalneav> we made it \o/
[05:50] <ogra> sbalneav, nope., tomorrow
[05:51] <ogra> distro meeting is 20:00 UTC ... thats freeze date
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya
[05:58] <sbalneav> OK, off to the cottage
[05:58] <sbalneav> seeya
[06:26] <RichEd> hey highvolt1ge :)
[08:59] <RichEd> LaserJock: pongy pongy
[09:15] <pips1> LaserJock: hi
[09:16] <RichEd> hi pips1 ...
[09:16] <RichEd> i spoke to the admins re the drupal update, and they kind of deferred me to highvoltage
[09:16] <RichEd> :( me was not impressed
[09:16] <pips1> hmm
[09:17] <RichEd> if highvoltage can't assist or is too busy, i'll bug them again ...
[09:17] <highvoltage> hey pips1 and RichEd
[09:17] <RichEd> hiey highvoltage
[09:17] <pips1> hi highvoltage
[09:17] <highvoltage> pips1: how does your schedule look like the upcoming weekend?
[09:18] <RichEd> seeing as it is a "security patch" request on a canonical server, i would assume that they should step up to the bar
[09:18] <highvoltage> pips1: and will you want to do something directly after the upgrade?
[09:18] <highvoltage> I could do the upgrade Friday afternoon/evening, it won't be a problem
[09:18] <RichEd> pips1: and another thing ... that RH post article was very very interesting
[09:18] <highvoltage> RichEd: I agree with you. I'm willing to give them a *little* leeway though, since they are quire loaded at the moment as a result of the recent outage.
[09:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: ironically, if it wasn't for us, that server would still be on Breezy too
[09:19] <RichEd> it fits with exactly what I am trying to get Dell and HP to "buy into"
[09:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: and it runs things like fridge, ms's blog, etc
[09:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: and it would've been compromised too
[09:19] <RichEd> i.e. a recommended and tested and certified LTSP solution
[09:19] <highvoltage> that would be quite cool.
[09:19] <pips1> highvoltage: thanks for offering to help out... but really, I should also be able to do the work.. it's just silly to leave the workload to you, since you already handed the baton over to me a long time ago... grumble
[09:20] <RichEd> and the article also gives a good indication of the management tools that the clients would want to see in Edubuntu LTSP Server
[09:20] <RichEd> --
[09:20] <highvoltage> pips1: indeed. I think I'll upgrade this time, and then for drupal 5.3, we make sure that you'll have everything you need to do it
[09:20] <RichEd> highvoltage: thanks for the offer to help ...
[09:21] <RichEd> highvoltage: there was a post a few mins ago from Joey on an upgrade issue re fridge ...
[09:21] <highvoltage> pips1: Znarl is quite helpful, he caves quickly to pressure ;)
[09:21] <highvoltage> pips1: I'll do some pesting, it should work
[09:21] <RichEd> highvoltage: <quote>
[09:21] <RichEd> Some Fridge news for the Editing team:
[09:21] <RichEd> 1) We're looking at upgrading the existing Drupal installation from
[09:21] <RichEd> 4.3 to 6.0 once 6.0 is out.
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[09:22] <highvoltage> RichEd: shew
[09:22] <RichEd> did your comment above mean that edubuntu.org runs on the same drupal install or same box as the fridge, or were you talking about the ubuntu version ?
[09:22] <pips1> highvoltage: i mean, it really just takes a simple change on the filesystem (i.e. assign the drupal folder to the 'edubuntu' group, which i'm part of) ...
[09:23] <highvoltage> RichEd: it runs on the same box
[09:23] <RichEd> and the same instance ? or a seperate install
[09:23] <RichEd> (of drupal)
[09:24] <highvoltage> sepereate drupal install
[09:24] <RichEd> okay
[09:24] <pips1> I think they are separate drupal installations... they didn't use the 'multisite' installation feature of drupal, afaik
[09:27] <highvoltage> well, I just popped in for a quick hello, goodnight RichEd and pips1. I'll be around, so ping me if there's anything else I can help get going.
[09:27] <pips1> RichEd: your above comments relate to the mail discussion thread on the fedora-education-list i sent you?
[09:27] <pips1> highvoltage: ok
[09:27] <pips1> highvoltage: thanks
[09:27] <highvoltage> pips1: thanks to you!
[09:29] <pips1> has anyone seen LaserJock active in the channel lately?
[09:29] <LaserJock> blah, I'm back
[09:29] <pips1> LaserJock: hey, hi
[09:29] <pips1> :-)
[09:30] <RichEd> pips1: indeed
[09:30] <pips1> LaserJock: did you get the email from Andreas Meiszner
[09:31] <LaserJock> pips1: yes
[09:31] <pips1> ... his announcement about "'Learning the Open Source Way' project", the joint FLOSSCom / Ubuntu Education event
[09:31] <LaserJock> pips1: working on it with RichEd right now ;-)
[09:31] <pips1> ah!
[09:31] <RichEd> LaserJock: go ahead ... make his day
[09:33] <pips1> :-)
[09:33] <LaserJock> gimme a sec to edit his story
[09:34] <pips1> hehe
[09:35] <pips1> don't worry, I'm joking
[09:36] <pips1> as a random side-note, the programmer at my office is already working on his second drupal client project and he can't stop to rave about drupal
[09:36] <RichEd> pips1: it is interesting in that fedora education post that even with the RH certification and support from Dell that Dell have not "configured and blessed" a K12LTSP server
[09:36] <RichEd> even though the clients are desperately asking
[09:36] <LaserJock> did you guys see System76 was selling Edubuntu servers?
[09:37] <pips1> RichEd: interesting, yes
[09:37] <pips1> LaserJock: nope
[09:37] <RichEd> ? wot ... gotta link LaserJock ?
[09:37] <LaserJock> http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=29
[09:37] <LaserJock> just go to configure any of them and they give you an option of Ubuntu or Edubuntu
[09:38] <pips1> ha!
[09:38] <pips1> ok... edubuntu workstation then
[09:38] <pips1> oh, servers
[09:38] <LaserJock> yeah, servers
[09:39] <pips1> impressive
[09:39] <pips1> heh "Edubuntu 7.04 Server Edition (Schools)"
[09:40] <LaserJock> I was thinking it'd be cool to contact them and see if they need anything or if they've even sold any
[09:40] <pips1> Hardware Warranty... hmm. what about software support...?
[09:40] <pips1> LaserJock: indeed!
[09:41] <pips1> where did you learn about System 76?
[09:42] <pips1> reads the "For Schools" page http://system76.com/articles.php?tPath=2_10
[09:44] <pips1> that's a neat little page
[09:49] <RichEd> [09:52] <LaserJock> pips1: the company or the Edubuntu part?
[09:52] <pips1> the company
[09:52] <LaserJock> hmm, no idea
[09:52] <LaserJock> they've been around for a while
[09:53] <pips1> ok, so what about the edubuntu part?
[09:53] <LaserJock> I was just scouting out they're new selection and decided to look at servers
[09:53] <LaserJock> *their
[09:54] <RichEd> check this page; http://system76.com/articles.php?tPath=2_9
[09:54] <RichEd> talks about LTSP deployments (but for business)
[09:55] <RichEd> ping ogra
[09:56] <ogra> pong
[09:57] <ogra> well, you can buy it with edubuntu preinstalled apparently
[09:57] <ogra> way cool !
[09:57] <RichEd> ogra: indeed:)
[09:57] <RichEd> perhaps we must work on them to put together a recommended Edubuntu LTSP Server
[09:58] <RichEd> ogra: also take a read of this when you have some time:
[09:58] <RichEd> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-education-list/2007-April/msg00022.html
[09:59] <RichEd> i'll extract and summarise the whole thread, but there are some excellent points made
[09:59] <ogra> i know thia thread :)
[09:59] <ogra> *that
[09:59] <RichEd> i'll send a mail to you and chris & markm ... shows what the clients want ... and are ready for
[10:00] <ogra> even though when i read it i skipped most of the ono ltsp bits in it
[10:00] <RichEd> [10:35] <LaserJock> pips1: have a look at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1084 real quick
[10:43] <pips1> *click*
[10:44] <pips1> erm, not authorised..
[10:46] <LaserJock> pips1: ok, fine, it'll be up shortly
[10:46] <LaserJock> I thought maybe you could see it
[10:47] <pips1> nope
[11:00] <pips1> LaserJock: thanks for posting Andreas' announcement to the fridge
[11:04] <pips1> However, I noticed because of the delay in the announcement, the text has gone out of sync with where their talk schedule currently stands... it's a detail though
[11:08] <LaserJock> pips1: hmm, didn't think to check, I can fix that
[11:08] <pips1> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/flosscom/talks
[11:10] <pips1> * Past meetings / talks
[11:10] <pips1>    * What are the roles in FLOSS?
[11:10] <pips1>    * Summer University Newbie Introduction - Part 1
[11:10] <pips1>    * Summer University  Newbie Introduction: The support approach
[11:10] <pips1> * Coming meetings / talks
[11:10] <pips1>    * What is the FLOSS support system?
[11:10] <pips1>    * How is FLOSS learning different from normal education?
[11:10] <pips1>    * Is there any assessment and evaluation in FLOSS?
[11:12] <LaserJock> fixed
[11:13] <pips1> great!
[11:13] <pips1> do you want to ping Andreas? or should I?
[11:14] <LaserJock> I just sent him an email
[11:17] <pips1> good man! :-)
[11:22] <LaserJock> bye guys I gotta run
[11:23] <pips1> night all
[11:55] <opapo> If I have a 64 bit server can I have ppc clients with ltsp and edubuntu?