=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released! === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 9 16:02:44 2007 === #ubuntu+1 [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu+1.log [05:27] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) [05:27] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released! === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 9 16:02:44 2007 [05:27] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! [05:29] Marco: Yes. [05:29] why? [05:29] There's a bit of thinking involved in that answer, but it ends up as "yes" [05:30] Because they stomp all over system libs. [05:30] damn === slavik`lap [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:30] I need 100.14.11 [05:30] yay, gutsy :D [05:30] Hello, libGL! Mind if I kill you dead! [05:30] to fix this issue of X locking up for half a second every so often [05:30] it's incredibly annoying [05:31] Marco: Does 100.14.11 actually fix that? [05:31] I asked in #linux about that problem, and somebody told me they had the same problem and fixed it by installing the latest nvidia driver [05:31] is it me or does therestricted device manager needs more work? === RAOF is sckeptical. The 100 series drivers have some annoying regressions. [05:32] really? [05:32] what about? [05:32] However, I'm *certain* I saw bryce having a repository with the 100 series drivers. [05:32] Marco: With Compiz. [05:33] Specifically, with hard-locking X anytime you wanted to switch from compiz. [05:33] hmm [05:33] that lockup is just so annoying [05:33] is it a known issue? [05:34] Known to nvidia? No idea. === RAOF basically doesn't care. I can't fix them, and they don't make it easy to complain. [05:35] it'd be nice if nvidia would open source their driver [05:37] what's their reason for not doing so? [05:39] Because they suck. [05:40] "Because the Xorg community doesn't have sufficient expertise" [05:40] Because they may have patented code in there. === sdest [n=sdest@c-69-250-163-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:41] Because then they couldn't offer more features than other Xorg drivers. [05:43] nvidia is not as bad as ati :( === crdlb holds both in equally low regard [05:43] intel is better!!! === d4rkmonkey hides [05:44] No need to hide! [05:44] intel's approach is nice [05:44] but intel doesn't make high end gfx cards :( [05:44] or even mid-end for that matter [05:44] and intel might be the owner of that patented code [05:44] and I found a reason why perl is better than python :D === Marco is a ruby lover [05:45] perl > ruby :P [05:45] heh, LET THE FANBOY BATTLE BEGIN [05:45] no python binding in the purple/pidgin api :P [05:46] slavik`lap.lose [05:46] :D === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:46] slavik`lap, is there a ruby binding? === RAOF wishes that everyone would embrace the CIL, so that python bindings would *be* ruby bindings and C# bindings and VB.NET bindings and Java bindings and... [05:46] it's funny that someone comes on the programming forum and is like "What are some good tutorials on C?" and everyone is like "learn python" [05:46] Marco: no [05:47] I learned C as my first language [05:47] CIL? [05:47] I'd recommend it [05:47] Marco: lucky you, Qbasic was my first ... [05:47] C is nice for learning [05:47] Marco: python lovers suggestpython, C++, C in that order, which is horrible IMO [05:47] it's very verbose and little abstraction [05:47] which for everyday coding sucks [05:47] Marco: scheme is better for learning (it was created for that purpose) [05:47] but for learning is great [05:48] hmm [05:48] never tried scheme [05:48] lisp is just so weird [05:48] (define func a b) (dostuff) [05:48] ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((you know?)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) [05:48] scheme is a lisp derivative :) === Dana1 [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:49] ya [05:49] Marco: but the parser is very simple :) [05:49] I can imagine === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.120.247] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=rdb@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Instabin [n=instabin@oh-76-5-123-160.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jaime-san [n=jamey@cpe-72-185-59-188.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:15] how's gutsy testing going for everyone === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] [06:17] gutsy testing going just great [06:17] not going anywhere :(, restricted driver manager needs work :P [06:17] anyone running compiz on an intel chip? [06:18] i agree [06:18] compiz kinda runs for me [06:18] keeps telling me my nvidia driver is enabled [06:18] like its a bad thing [06:19] I'm looking to see if the compiz video playback bug has been fixed with the new intel driver today (it didn't work for me) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.35.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:37] benanzo: what bug is that? what happens? i am runnning compiz on an intel chip [06:37] also does anyone have a problem with mounting large nfs volumes and them timing out? it works on earlier ubuntu versions === se7enof9 [n=se7enof9@125-24-155-148.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:41] somebody know what /dev/sr0 is... === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-248-142.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:41] i am on a acer aspire 5920 [06:42] Sysinfo for 'AmaTaraSu': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R)Core2DuoCPUT7300@2.00GHz at 800 MHz (4000 bogomips), , RAM: 398/2026MB, 115 proc's, 35.29min up === slavik`lap [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:43] os[Linux 2.6.22-9-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 798MHz] mem[Physical : 249MB, 58.2% free] disk[Total : 4.64GB, 33.20% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] ] sound[] [06:43] where does the bcm43xx firmware go in gutsy? [06:43] se7enof9: Likely to be a CD drive. [06:44] slavik`lap: Wherever the restricted-manager installs it to :) [06:44] ok get an error while booting [06:44] RAOF: it don't work :( (downloads and then nothing) [06:44] slavik`lap: Also, CIL == Common Intermediate Language == what mono and .NET run. [06:44] ahh, ok [06:44] slavik`lap: Ah. Then file a bug(tm) :) [06:45] RAOF: will, tomorrow :P [06:45] :) [06:45] RAOF: why not then use java bytecode? [06:45] I'm sorry I can't help you, I don't have any non ipw experience. [06:45] slavik`lap: Because it's not as flexible. [06:45] isn't CIL same level as java bytecode? [06:45] RAOF: check question in nou thne [06:46] also, ever hear of parrot? [06:46] slavik`lap: Yes, but CIL was designed to be usable for multiple languages. Java bytecode is tied to Java. [06:46] RAOF: no it isn't [06:46] slavik`lap: That's python-on-something? [06:46] Ok. Not "tied to" java, but that's what they were thinking of when they designed it :P [06:46] RAOF: java bytecode is as tied to java (the language) as assembly is tied to C [06:47] Kinda. [06:47] is there any way to increase the time-out on `mount`? [06:47] i'm not sure why gutsy's time-out is the only one not working [06:47] RAOF: but at least sun makes a large effort on providing a jvm for other platform, which is not the case with microsoft [06:47] While you *could* compile to java bytecode, the CIL makes it easier. [06:47] and aparently,some core .net libraries have patented code ... [06:47] Not as far as the mono team knows :) [06:47] Also, mono :) [06:48] I don't care about .NET :) [06:48] RAOF: that's because there weren't lawsuits yet :P [06:48] is CIL even a standard? [06:48] Yes. [06:48] and is it the same type of standard that OOXML is? [06:48] No. [06:48] so, it's actually a well written standard? [06:48] It's an implementable standard :P [06:48] Yes. [06:49] It's what the mono people have implemented. [06:49] http://www.mono-project.com/ECMA [06:50] *Mono* runs everywhere, so I don't have to care that .NET doesn't :) [06:50] surprising ... === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-75-41-21-247.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:50] RAOF: but mono != .net, so what about those .net developers? [06:50] I don't care about them. [06:50] I see [06:51] If they don't want to write portable code, who am I to stop them? [06:51] technically, the mono team can say that mono is a separate platform altogether [06:51] Mono isn't meant to be a Windows compatibility layer :) [06:51] RAOF: but they often cite mono as being ".net for nonwindows" [06:51] And windows, too :) [06:51] RAOF: I am talking about .net developers, not you :P [06:51] Trying to update to gusty from feisty, running update-manager -d does not seem to work, is there something more I need to do? [06:52] slavik`lap: And referring to .net is the easiest way to explain [06:52] it's only .net 2.0 that mono doesn't do yet [06:52] RAOF: why not use perl? it's portable... === |ajmorris_| [i=jxjfil@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:52] sn9: there is .net v3 already === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:52] slavik`lap: I think you're thinking of C# 3.0, no? Although I could be wrong. [06:53] c# 3 mono can do, i think [06:53] RAOF: could be, but I am pretty sure it was .net 3.0 on windows updates at work [06:53] well, how much software requires that as of now? [06:55] sn9: dunno === slavik`lap has seen 1 application written using .net, and it was crappy ... [06:55] And a bunch of good mono apps :) [06:55] it ran msinfo32 and collected information from that... took like 5 minutes for it to run ... my perl script on a mac would take 6 seconds [06:56] novell employs the mono dev, team, no? [06:57] i sense a sco joke in the making... [06:57] no [06:57] just a point that whenever microsoft wants to be compatible with linux, for somereason it is linux that become more compatible windows, not vice versa [06:58] mono, samba ... [06:58] gutsy with KDE... after changing default resolution (from 1600x1200 to 1024x768), kdm login window still relatively appears as it did previously eg: now on bottom right when should be netered). Not crucial but annoying. Any fast fix for this? Delving into kdm theme file or so? [06:58] Because micrsoft *never* wants to be compatible with linux :) [06:59] RAOF: that's not what they say :P [06:59] netered=centered [06:59] so, where should I drop the fw files? [06:59] well, m$ invented ppp and dhcp [06:59] Please, not M$. Haven't you seen the penny- [06:59] arcade comic? [07:00] When Microsoft was at odds with Oracle, the saying at their hq used to be: work ain't done if oracle runs. shows the petty mindset === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:00] And MS *has* developed useful technology. [07:01] genii: I thought the quote was "It ain't done until Lotus don't run". WRT dos... 3? [07:01] RAOF: Yeah that might be more exact :) But you get the idea [07:01] Anyway. I'm not saying they haven't been, or aren't now, evil. [07:02] Just that their evil nature shouldn't prevent us from (carefully) stealing good ideas from them. === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [07:02] And the CIL is a good idea :) [07:03] I think we should take the best from everything [07:04] Indeed. [07:04] And, as far as I'm aware, the CIL is the best general-purpose bytecode/VM combination. [07:05] I'm not up on the latest acronyms...what is CIL exactly? === MacSlow_ [n=mirco@dslb-084-063-122-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:05] Coolin In Lava [07:05] +g [07:05] Common Intermediate Language. The .NET/mono bytecode. === Tm_T hides [07:06] Ah, dot net stuff [07:06] Not to be confused with the CLI, which is of course the Common Language Infrastructure :) === riotkittie [n=tracy@cpe-72-228-35-66.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === riotkittie [n=tracy@cpe-72-228-35-66.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === genii finds Tm_T and gives him a light slap on the wrist for inserting confusion === joetheodd [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:07] MS Python implementation is among the fastest [07:08] But sucks, because all the extension modules are for CPython, sadly. [07:08] But maybe with PyPy having both a CIL backend, and a certain ammount of community support, we can get Python-on-CIL that way. [07:09] doesnt .NET support native code hooks? [07:09] Yes. [07:09] porting the necessary modules might be trivial enough depending on task [07:10] But to support CPython extensions, you would have to essentially rewrite CPython (apparently) [07:10] mostly I'm stuck in a twilight zone of perl,php,bash and on occasion C [07:10] hylje: Not really the point :). If you need to do that extra work, it's not worth it. [07:10] help with upgrading to gusty anyone? Cant seem to get mine to go... === genii jots a note to read some python documentation [07:14] while it's quiet again :) ... [07:14] gutsy with KDE... after changing default resolution (from 1600x1200 to 1024x768), kdm login window still relatively appears as it did previously eg: now on bottom right when should be centered). Not crucial but annoying. Any fast fix for this? Delving into kdm theme file or so? === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF09DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:15] the resolution problem is most likely due xorg7.3/xrandr1.2 [07:16] hylje: Not unless he's running Xorg 7.3 :). Not yet standard in Gutsy. [07:16] oh [07:16] ive been following the blueprints mostly [07:16] fast way to check ? /var/cache/apt/archives? [07:17] X -version :) [07:17] If it says 1.3, it's Xorg 7.2 [07:17] apparently 1.3.0 [07:19] Hmmm. I'm suspecting hard-coded pixel placement in theme file based on original reolution instead of relative window placement [07:19] optimizations [07:20] AFK poking around === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip70-177-204-60.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eluzion_ [n=Eluzion@c-76-104-184-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:23] Evening everyone [07:24] So I'm trying to install Gutsy but during the "Partion formatting" section, the dialog just closes and nothing happens. *shrug* === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow === firecrotch [n=nick@adsl-69-210-46-118.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:29] hard-coded pixel positions in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu.xml for dialog.png placement, Tinkering now === firecrotch [n=nick@adsl-69-210-46-118.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [07:34] brb === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === rbraley [n=rbraley@ip70-162-51-133.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:40] so none of my avi's play or other files, all media players give a X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) error. has anyone seen this? === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:43] huh, so it is only a compiz problem. as soon as i switched to metacity, i could play all videos with no problem [07:45] meh I can't even get it installed ;P === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === NastyAccident [n=NastyAcc@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:54] kdm now centered. ksplash off centre now however [07:55] (was before didn't notice) [07:56] system settings/splash screen test shows it's the only one in the list not centering, must be some more non-relative window placement etc === genii sips a coffee === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-248-142.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [08:10] hmm kubuntu ksplash uses moodin centering or so it seems (per /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc) [08:12] your point is...? [08:13] brb === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-75-41-21-247.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:18] Is anyone else having this problem "Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found"? === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=benw@67-40-10-168.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:23] hard setting base resolution in Theme.rc does not seem to work to center ksplash. While experimenting with changing screen resolutions from system settings/monitor and display, found no matter what resolution chosen the screen actually remains the same size, even when it does the windoze-like "Keep this screen setting?" X many seconds and so on. In xorg.conf no resolution entries, just default depth [08:23] Using nvidia restricted driver [08:25] I suspect the driver is to fault, previous to installing it from restricted driver manager xorg.conf contained resolution entries, where I originally changed it [08:28] reverting now [08:28] brb === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:30] As i suspected === jdt [n=jdt@58.172.8.201] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:30] ... having fin genii ? [08:30] has anyone experienced firefox, opera and konquerer crashing all the time in (k)ubuntu 7.10? [08:31] resolution is now what i last set it to when it appeared not to change, also Theme.rc changes worked [08:32] d4rkmonkey: Well, exploring :) Annoying the restricted driver removes ability to adjust resolution from kcontrol, also does not pass resolution info to kdm and ksplash [08:33] FF crashes consistently closing a tab with active flash content. [08:33] if closing a tab with active flash content [08:34] did the new Intel video driver fix Xvmc under Compiz for anyone? It was supposed to but didn't work for me. [08:34] benanzo: Technically, it's Xv, not Xvmc. They're two different things :) === JosefK [n=Brett@82-42-147-9.cable.ubr01.sprt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:38] "This package also provides an XvMC (XVideo Motion Compensation) driver" I don't know, was just reading from the changelog. Am I thinking of a different bug? I thought this was supposed to fix the Compiz video playback bug? [08:39] Xv is what compiz breaks, Xvmc is hardware video decoding :) [08:39] brb === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [08:41] I don't know the details, but I thought Compiz breaks Xv because it uses a rendering layer that isn't supported. Implementing XvMC is aimed at fixing that? [08:41] benanzo: NO. [08:41] Sorry, that wasn't meant to be all caps. [08:42] The Xvmc change is separate to "make Xv work under Composite" [08:42] oh ok [08:43] So this patch wasn't aimed at fixing the Compiz video issue [08:43] I think it was, wasn't it? [08:43] Maybe not. [08:45] I thought it was because the changelog on gutsy-changes stated: "- use xf86XVFillKeyHelperDrawable() to fix video playback with compositing enabled" But the new version doesn't fix anything. I was just seeing if it fixed for anyone else [08:46] benanzo: Yes, that should have fixed it. If it doesn't, go reopen the bug :) === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:48] I'm totally confused by the bug status of this one. According to Launchpad the bug status is "Incomplete" but the severity is "High" and yet they're releasing potential fixes. is there some disconnect here? [08:49] it's Launchpad bug 122979 [08:49] Launchpad bug 122979 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[aiglx] [intel] [r300] Video playback is buggy under Compiz" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122979 === ajmorris_ [i=anbf@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Assid [n=assid@unaffiliated/assid] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:51] yoza [08:51] meh .. kopete stopped working ever since i upgraded to gutsy [08:53] benanzo: It's proabably incomplete because they don't know whether it's fixed or net [08:53] ok === ajmorris_ [i=cde@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:54] benanzo: You might want to comment on that bug, say that you've got the new driver (mention the changelog, probably), and that it doesn't fix it for your. [08:54] s/your/you/ [08:54] err. anyone usign kopete? [08:56] benanzo: You probably want to reboot first, just for safety, and make sure you're using the -intel, not -i810 driver. [08:57] Yeah, I tried that but it's still broke. I'll leave a comment. [08:57] darn === ohad [n=ohad@cpe-69-203-27-50.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:58] i think kopetes broke too [08:59] hi. i have the same problem as dan -- does anyone know how to resolve this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=523282 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:01] sounds like you're not getting good DNS servers [09:01] brb === benanzo [n=benw@67-40-10-168.tukw.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [09:04] how do i make my wifi card work?:/ it used to work? [09:04] not anymore.. [09:06] modprobe for your card === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ohad_ [n=ohad@cpe-69-203-27-50.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:08] hi, trying to figure out why my wireless card is being so flaky...:/ === Xemanth [n=xemanth@hostf218.hamk.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=benw@67-40-10-168.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:11] hey guys.. I installed gutsy, and then after logging in tried to enable desktop effects [09:11] however it's not doing anything... ? === bjames [n=bjames@client-81-105-69-166.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cfire [n=cc@77.46.196.189] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:12] hi, does anyone know if pidgin will be included in the Ubuntu 7.04 repositories? [09:13] I'd prefer to install via synaptic [09:13] Nop [09:13] Actually, maybe. [09:13] You could ask for a backport [09:13] But why not Gaim? It's essentially the same thing [09:14] well pidgin is newer - may be more stable, has a slightly updated user interface [09:14] I was just wondering [09:15] bjames: there's a few repos out there that have pidgin for feisty. [09:15] aslan: which? I'd like to add it to my repo list [09:16] bjames: umm it's on ubuntuforums.. [09:17] cheers === Assid [n=assid@unaffiliated/assid] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:17] heya [09:17] umm, /me wonders how Pidgin in feisty is on-topic for #ubuntu+1... [09:17] not that it really matters [09:18] hehe it's not [09:20] then again, #ubuntu-offtopic gets lots of stuff that is more on-topic in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 , and #ubuntu* gets a lot of kubuntu/xubuntu/bastardizedbuntu stuff [09:20] i'm trying to install on gutsy 2.6.22-9 generic -- the intel wireless card 4320. i can get an ip for about a min. i lose connectivity [09:20] ideas why? [09:21] and how to resolve this? [09:21] ohad: You mean the iwl4965 drivers? === genii [n=user@206-248-156-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === genii sips a coffee === bjames [n=bjames@client-81-105-69-166.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [09:22] ohad: The *experimental* iwl4965 drivers? :) [09:23] RAOF: did you build latest compiz-fusion from source or use apt to install it ? [09:23] apt. === RAOF is not crazy. [09:23] RAOF: and it worked fine? [09:23] i guess so [09:23] I can't get it to do anything here at all... [09:23] how do i get those to work? [09:23] aslan: Yes. [09:23] i mean - whenever i boot-- wifi works fine for two minutes [09:24] ohad: By fixing them, I think. I see something similar with iwl3945 [09:24] RAOF: hrmm.. did you just click "enable desktop effects" and it worked for you ? [09:24] ohad: And then after that, it spits a huge number of messages to dmesg [09:24] aslan: Pretty much, yes. [09:24] RAOF: damnit.. I wonder why it doesn't work here. [09:24] RAOF, what is the best route to go about using this wifi card.. i need it to work proerly [09:24] aslan: You can try running "compiz --replace" in a terminal. [09:24] I click that, and it doesn't do anything.. just sits there [09:24] ohad: Wait for intel to fix the drivers. [09:25] RAOF: ya I did try it. [09:25] aslan: Then pastebin the output. My psychic pony is on vacation. [09:25] RAOF, that sucks how long do you think that would take? [09:25] RAOF: lol.. hold on a sec [09:25] RAOF, still??? [09:25] when does he get back? [09:25] crdlb: She's taking longer than expected. [09:25] RAOF: actually I'm building from source right now.. I'll try the debs again if this doesn't work. [09:26] oh she sorry :) [09:26] aslan: Please don't sudo make install those. [09:26] RAOF: uh.. why ? [09:26] RAOF: you have a psychic pony???? [09:26] sudo make yes [09:26] I know not to use sudo make [09:27] but sudo is the only way to install..... [09:27] RAOF - it says that my card is 4230 - not iwl4965 [09:27] Oh yeah, linux-ubuntu-modules has iwl3945 and iwl4965. [09:27] aslan: Because you may leave stuff lying around the filesystem which will inexplicably break compiz later. [09:27] Hobbsee: Yeah, but she's never available :( [09:27] Oh, and for Pidgin in Feisty, debuntu.org has it. [09:28] RAOF: awww [09:28] aslan: You can ./configure --prefix=$(USER)/Compiz [09:28] aslan: Then you don't leave crud around. [09:28] RAOF: oh ya true.. [09:28] er, ~/compiz [09:29] DanaG: ~/compiz doesn't get expanded by configure :) [09:29] er ${HOME} [09:29] At least, not for me with bash. [09:29] Eeh, you got it. [09:29] benanzo: Probably === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ayabara [n=anr@194.196.35.3] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-69.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === w00t [n=w00t@ti500710a340-3327.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:03] anyone got acroread working in gutsy? when I try to launch it from shell it floods "syntax error" messages === Hobbsee doubts that people can actually fix that, if it's a bug in acroread. === Assid [n=assid@unaffiliated/assid] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=bieym@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.141.36.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-149.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compwiz18 [n=adam18@221.223.239.202] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mikkael [n=michael@p54B09CBE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pvandewyngaerde [n=pvandewy@215.146-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-75-41-21-247.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=ben@c-71-197-165-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraction [n=frax@c-024de155.137-6-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:24] does anyone know how to fix enormous font issue with the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver? thanks [11:27] fraction: did you try and change the resolution / dots per inch setting in fonts? [11:28] I think it's System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts [11:28] yeah it only affects the terminal fontsize etc, the labels on windows etc remains huge [11:28] fraction: also if you change the dpi in details? [11:29] are you fully updated? I thought this was fixed [11:29] I am.. === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:30] it seems that the font-size changes does not affect the GUI just the terminal text and in some other places [11:30] 1 letter takes up almost 1/4 of my screen, [11:30] I fixed it in Tribe 3 by messing around in the font preferences. I don't know why that wouldn't work now [11:30] ( using another driver in order to be able to talk in here ) === eMaX_ [n=emax@57.66.84.248] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:31] I changed dpi from 96 to 85. That changes everything at once. [11:31] fraction: system > preferences > appearance > fonts > advanced [11:31] ;p [11:31] the dpi setting === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [11:31] put in like 120 and push enter or that lil up arror [11:31] arrow [11:32] once in a while u gotta restart X if its feeling buggy [11:32] k thanks.. will try that [11:32] did the new intel driver fix compiz video playback for anyone? it was supposed to but didn't work for me [11:35] not really no [11:35] databuddy isnt that the same thing as changin dpi in xorg.conf? [11:36] fraction: not tried it there [11:36] lol === Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraction [n=frax@c-024de155.137-6-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:43] when I restart x and is going to log in .. the login screen still can only display 3-4 letters cause of lack of space [11:43] does the system-> ... -> font change the login -screen settings aswell? [11:45] I believe the GDM login is controlled by the root account's settings in gdmsetup. I think the chosen theme decides fonts etc. [11:45] are fonts huge in GDM too? [11:45] I use KDE [11:46] so kdm [11:46] but logged in I have normal fonts now it seems, just at the login window there are some trouble [11:46] question essentially stands. [11:48] mmmkay. I think you'll need to change the root account's font settings as well. You can just make a symlink from /root/.fonts to ${HOME}/.fonts if you want them to be the same [11:49] ok thanks.. will try that [11:49] do 'sudo ln -s /home/{user}/.fonts /root/.fonts' [11:50] I get a lot of "YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound" messages on my gutsy. Anyone got a clue what might cause that? === ajmorris_ [i=rfo@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:51] no idea [11:51] my root doesnt have a .font , though my user account has .fonts.conf [11:52] oh yeah, you're on KDE. I don't know then [11:53] Ayebara: can you ping and traceroute to a remote server? [11:53] ok.. thanks anyway === frax [n=frax@c-024de155.137-6-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=ben@c-71-197-165-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-11-65.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === binary2k2 [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu+1 === leperkhanz [n=rhy@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-69-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RivaeAerya [n=robin@h8441230009.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === allbert [n=allberto@124.82.34.129] has joined #ubuntu+1 === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu+1 === emonkey-p [n=emonkey@adsl-84-227-144-164.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nuyao [n=nuyao@pD9E0E743.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mikkael [n=michael@p54B09CBE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] === eMaX [n=emax@gprs01.swisscom-mobile.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === emonkey-p [n=emonkey@adsl-84-227-39-37.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === se7en^Of^9 [n=se7enofn@125-24-157-180.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claria [n=aem@dslb-084-057-167-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clooch [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:05] is there a chance to get a Mobile 965 Express chipset, wireless capabilities that stretch to the Draft 802.11n standard working on gusty === der0b [n=s0d_0ff@c-66-31-142-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:17] se7en^Of^9: Yes. Try iwl4965, from linux-ubuntu-modules [01:18] ok === Infecto [i=infecto@gada.bezsensu.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:22] where is the ubuntu loco team list === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-15-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:26] !loco [01:26] Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [01:27] instabin|work: ^ [01:27] RAOF: As of July 26th the IWL4965 driver and firmware is included in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 which should be installed by default. ... [01:27] how can i check if the module is loaded [01:27] stdin: found one for PA but looking for a more localized group === ninn [n=ninnghiz@chello084112032164.1.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu+1 === soc [n=soc@p54ADEF38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === soc [n=soc@p54ADEF38.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] === etalli [n=etalli@c-68-41-69-69.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:41] I am having problems getting on to a WEP secured network in Kubuntu Tribe 4. It says connection failed after a couple seconds on IP Configuration. [01:42] I am using the wireless Firmware for Broadcom from the Restricted Driver Manager. === compwiz18 [n=adam18@221.223.239.202] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Do`` [n=stuffor@3e44b5eb.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:04] hulo === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === omha [n=nknk@83.73.217.165.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === magnetron [n=Miranda@unaffiliated/magnetron] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:33] does the kernel include KVM? [02:33] or do you have to build it as a module with module-assistant? === jdt [n=jdt@58.172.8.201] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:34] hello, has anyone tried installing 7.10 on a macbook pro? === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-32-140.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:35] Marco, yea [02:36] omha, to which question? [02:36] Marco, sudo apt-get install kvm, its also if feisty [02:36] hmm, I'm deciding between xen and KVM [02:36] Marco, desktop or server? [02:36] what do you think will be better for running windows and perhaps OS X [02:36] desktop [02:37] try Virtualbox [02:37] bear in mind that vbox doesn't support osx guests atm. [02:37] technically vmware only does through lots of hacks [02:37] virtualbox with kvm loaded with windows and windows is faster then native [02:37] heh [02:38] Eq|work, does vmware do OSX? [02:38] Apple wont like that [02:38] vmware does yes [02:39] omha : yes and no [02:39]