=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Aug 9 16:01:54 2007 === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Aug 9 16:01:54 2007 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ketrox [n=ketrox@X8099.x.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bderrly [n=bderrly@68-113-34-207.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] morning [05:40] evening === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn78.91-127-139.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] grr wake up hobbsee [05:48] rather come back you were here 1hr ago [05:48] heh [05:49] she has been marking bugs as duplicates that aren't actually due to a misunderstanding of the bug === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d169.84-47-120.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] hopefully she's the only one who has been doing it so that she has a list of them to fix quickly [05:49] apparently marking anything that was broken due to new glib/gtk as a duplicate of the openoffice bug [05:50] of course i didn't even know what the cause was until the past day or so [05:50] so its not her fault === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] calc: She does idle on here as LongPointyStick as well. [06:03] hehe.. nice nick [06:05] TheMuso: oh ok [06:05] LongPointyStick: hey sarah? [06:05] Her other client is mainly for logging. [06:07] calc: So, what is the cause? [06:07] StevenK: oh ok [06:07] StevenK: improper (or non-existent) initialization of glib/gdk/gtk before calling a function [06:07] StevenK: in openoffice case there was a call to gdk_screen without initialization [06:08] Neat. [06:08] Are you fixing it with a patch, or is upstream? === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] StevenK: a guy at redhat has a fix, but i'm not sure if he considers it good enough for general use yet, i sent him an email letting him know it works for ubuntu (its not even really needed on fedora) and to see if he wants to commit it upstream [06:10] i should know something in probably 12hr or so [06:13] i'm curious if anyone here knows about getting in touch with Ubuntu developers. I've had many issues (mostly laptop-related, but some having to do w/the general desktop) and I haven't been able to get good developer response... [06:14] thully: i'll let you know a secret... you are in the right channel [06:15] The thing is - I have filed bugs, and e-mailed devs who have commented on bugs, and I feel like I might as well send my info to /dev/null... [06:16] thully: i'm sorry to hear that, people try to get to the reports as quickly as possible but sometimes things get dropped :( [06:16] thully: what particular issue? === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [06:16] a few [06:16] thully: some developers have many hundreds of bugs to take care of [06:17] thully: for example anything involving openoffice is for me, so just ping me and i'll try to look at it [06:18] The thing is - I've also been using Debian (I'm actually on Etch now), and I get their bug system fine [06:18] You just find the maintainer/team, and they usually answer... [06:18] calc: unfortunately none of my issues involve OpenOffice [06:18] thully: ok :) [06:20] Is there a 6.06.2 in the works? I just saw a debian-installer note in dapper-changes. [06:20] tonyyarusso: yes eventually [06:20] tonyyarusso: i'm not sure if there is a projected release date yet [06:21] That upload would seem to suggest it's soon, in my head at least. [06:22] Most of my issues have to deal with laptop stuff - suspend to RAM, brightness controls, synaptics touchpad, ACPI C-states, and so on... [06:22] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06.2 [06:23] thully: ah ok you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel if you don't hear anything back, sounds like all of that is probably kernel related [06:23] not necessarily synaptics, though - that's an X.org driver... [06:24] thully: ah yea === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] tonyyarusso: apparently the existence of the release isn't public yet, or at least not on wiki.ubuntu.com yet [06:27] tonyyarusso: but yea what you see in the upload is correct there will be one [06:30] calc: interesting [06:32] and i think 8.04 will be the next LTS [06:33] One thing that has me WAY confused is "triaging". In Debian (and almost any other project) , you simply report the bug, give enough info, and people look at it. What is the deal with the triage process? [06:34] thully, have you ever been to the hospital emergency room? it is the same idea: a nurse will categorize the incoming patients in order of importance [06:36] who does this in Ubuntu, anyway? I've generally had an experience where if I report a bug, it just sits on "new" for months at a time, no matter what information I attach to it... === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] Often done by members of the ubuntu bug squad, I believe. [06:41] is it possible to do this myself? I've been reporting bugs in software for years, so I generally know what I'm doing... [06:42] thully: You need to be in the ubuntu-qa team to have priority-changing privileges, but you can do all the rest. === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz__ [n=ijuz@p54ABF5CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] sorry, my connection was just reset by that darned Peer :) [06:51] RAOF: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html [06:51] RAOF: Note the top item under General. [06:52] StevenK: Oh, hell yes! [06:52] RAOF: So, now you just need to wait for patch 2.2.0 to hit. [06:53] Wooooooot! === RAOF runs around the room [06:53] ... on fire [06:54] OK - what I'm wondering is- how does a Bug go from "Confirmed" to "Triaged"? I've gone through the triage steps and confirmed some of my bugs in the past, but they don't get marked "Triaged"... === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] thully: #ubuntu-bugs is the right channel for that question, the bug triage team hang out there === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] greetings [07:12] hello Hobbsee === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.145.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] calc: ah, thanks. i'd suspected the same myself. === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] Morning pitti [07:35] Good morning [07:35] morning pitti === TerminX [i=245c1dea@adsl-68-122-0-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee hugs pitti. morning pitti! === pitti hugs Hobbsee and ajmitch back [07:38] :) === ajmitch departs work & considers dinner [07:39] pitti: do you want to answer a licencing question, or send it to u-a@l.u.c? === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Hobbsee: I'd prefer u-a@, I'm no licensing expert [07:40] pitti, available for a little review? [07:40] pitti: cool, ok [07:41] pygi: review of what? [07:41] pitti, libmtp [07:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/132554 [07:41] Launchpad bug 132554 in libmtp "[needs review] libmtp 0.2.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New] [07:43] pygi: can you please add an URL to the orig.tar.gz? [07:43] pitti, will do so now [07:43] Hobbsee: what's the question? [07:44] Mithrandir: in #ubuntu-motu [07:44] pitti, done! === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn111.91-127-185.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] pygi: erk, ABI bump [07:44] pitti, yup, I know [07:45] pygi: there are 4 reverse dependencies which need to be rebuilt and tested against this [07:45] pitti, but brings support for new hardware and brings no problems [07:45] pitti, been there, done that [07:45] well, 3 (mtp-tools is in libmtp) [07:45] from the bug report: All rdepends build properly against it. :) === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] pygi: debdiff looks good to me [07:47] good sign :) === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK waits for sparc to catch up. [07:50] pygi: uploaded [07:50] pitti, thanks :) [07:50] np === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] cjwatson: I sent you a message a while back concerning Keyspan driver. Was wondering a) if you received it, b) if anything's happened on that front [08:04] tonyyarusso: cjwatson is on vacation this week. [08:05] cjwatson: I have http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA19HS/, which has firmware and drivers included in the vanilla 2.6 kernel tree, but which have not been included in Debian/Ubuntu due to licensing problems, as explained on http://www.keyspan.com/downloads-files/developer/linux/. I was wondering if it could be evaluated for inclusion in linux-restricted, per the advice of someone else. [08:05] ArneGoetje: ah, hrm. e-mail to -devel better you think? [08:05] tonyyarusso: probably === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] <\sh> morning all... [08:23] <\sh> does anyone has a clue how the we determine if a graphics card is able to have "Composite" extension enabled? [08:24] <\sh> s/the// [08:25] \sh: mvo can tell you stories about it === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] \sh: look at /usr/bin/compiz, that does exactly that [08:28] Composite is supported on all cards [08:28] But I don't think that's what you're asking === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] \sh: yeah, for s/cards/driver/ [08:30] ideally it would also blacklist cards, though [08:30] some are just too old and slow to sensibly support it [08:30] (with our drivers anyway) [08:31] pitti: We do [08:32] Oh, sorry. EPARSE. [08:34] <\sh> pitti, mjg59 : the problem I had was with an ati radeon 9600 card (desktop) (128MB ram) and with the oss ati/radeon driver [08:35] \sh: same here; compiz works OOTB on my radeon 9200, but the ati driver is way too slow [08:35] <\sh> the little ati radeon m22 (r300 card) works on my laptop nicely with compiz on gutsy, but the desktop card doesn't...desktop effects aren't working [08:35] Really? I think that might be a Ubuntu-specific problem then. People happily run compiz on 9200s [08:37] RAOF: well, as I said it works, but some operations like resizing windows are painfully slow [08:37] Ah, but not in general? [08:38] <\sh> could it be, that this is an dist-upgrade issue from feisty to gutsy? I had some troubles with the latest updates from feisty (oofice and ttf-opensymbol package) and after upgrading to gutsy the same problems... [08:38] RAOF: in general it's just a bit sluggish [08:38] People in #compiz-fusion are probably not quite as performance-sensitive as you :) [08:39] RAOF: I guess you could get used to the speed after a while, but I find it annoying after a while [08:39] <\sh> I'll do a clean install with gutsy media this evening ... let's see === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] RAOF: it's just a poor old G4 800 MHz, that might contribute to the problem :) [08:39] :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso should try gutsy/compiz on his G4 1.42 mini soonish. That has a 9200 with 32MB of RAM. === martink [n=martin@84-75-131-205.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] devs - where would be the best place to discuss a few laptop issues I've been having as of late? I've reported them (or commented on them) and they've for the most part sat in launchpad limbo... [08:57] A few of the issues include 122682, 37234 (granted, more of a feature request - but quite a significant one), and 128653 [09:03] I've also got 124642, but I just reopened that one - apparently my MacBook likes to make funky noises in some ACPI C-states, but only with certain kernels === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] I guess I dunno what to do from here - I want to help on these issues, and the whole laptop support area in general, but I haven't been able to find much (I saw a laptop team, but it looked like it mostly consisted of mjg59 and a few people who posted their specs/results). === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] thully: you could try the laptop-testing mailing list. [09:12] That's as dead as a doornail - check the archives [09:13] seems slightly less dead than laptop-devel [09:14] thully: maybe give it a try, if you don't get anywhere you could try the main development lists === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@5.21-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] OK === jonibo [n=jonas@193.12.106.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-f5ee2d89078d8499] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A66789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.145.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [i=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-69.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=cesare@host119-157-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] where do test-install-reports go these days ? [10:14] lifeless: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/ [10:15] shame its not a ubuntu.com name [10:15] hmm [10:15] yeah, but it hopefully will be in the future [10:15] I have a 36 step-to-install document [10:15] its not clear what issues are bugs, and what are not. [10:16] that web site doesn't give me any hint as to what I should do in this situation. === lifeless punts to ubuntu-devel === Company [n=Company@e176118007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] we usually file bugs and link them in the install reports [10:17] right, but where do I write up my report ? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] lifeless: if you click on a particular ISO, you'll see the tests you can do with it, and if you click there you can submit your's [10:19] its hellishly slow [10:20] slower than launchpad [10:20] ok, none of the tests match what I did [10:20] weird, it's not any slower than any other webpage (faster than LP in any case for me) [10:20] might be my geographically close location :) [10:20] its https and lots of separate requests [10:20] I guess that thing is in .de [10:20] this is known as 'bad' [10:20] it's faster than LP here [10:21] which is weird [10:22] heh, only 6 hops here === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aevaughn [n=aevaughn@72.146.4.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aevaughn [n=aevaughn@72.146.4.84] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === aevaugh1 [n=aevaughn@72.146.4.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aevaugh1 [n=aevaughn@72.146.4.84] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] pitti: libvips10c2a, libvips10-dev, libcgal1, hylafax-doc and hat-ghc6 can be NBS'd out at your leisure. [10:31] yay [10:31] pitti: my mail has hit ubuntu-devel [10:32] (if you are interested) [10:32] I am [10:33] lifeless: about the "I think the ISO testing web pages [10:33] should include some guidance for adhoc tests" [10:33] (crappy copy/paste ...) === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:33] It's possible to add a link to a wikipage for each tests, but we need people to do so :) === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] StevenK: hm, ppu-fortran needs a rebuild on i386 and ppc for getting rid of libmpfr1 [10:34] StevenK: killed, merci [10:34] (the Ubuntu Server have a link to what to a test description (if you click on the icon next to the test name)) [10:36] pitti: It's hosted in France with some nice peerings for Germany (and Switzerland by the same) [10:38] (and yes it'd need more RAM :), 256MB being a bit short but that's what you have when you pay 20 for a server :)) === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] stgraber: well, I'm not saying that there need to be links to each test [10:39] stgraber: I also pay 20 for my colo, but I could just buy another gig and have them build it in at no additional monthly cost (just the price for the RAM bar, of course) [10:39] stgraber: I'm saying that when someone does a test which is not covered, what should they do ? [10:40] I installed a crypted, lvm'd, desktop. [10:40] thats not even a minor variation, its a massive variation, because of the impact on partitionining, on whether the right packages *can* be there, of using universe... [10:41] pitti: can you give-back mgcv and kernsmooth please ? === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] anyone know if gconf database is arch specific? [10:42] mjg59: are you around? I'm writting up the discussion of the techboard meeting now and I wonder if the performance problem for 3d apps in compiz affects all video drivers or only nvidia. I can not see it here on my ati system (in a quick and unscientific test) [10:43] Lutin: done === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] pitti: hm, looks like restricted-manager is currently unable to enable the nvidia driver at all :/ did you got a bugreport about this already? [10:49] mvo: hm, no, works quite fine for me; what does it do? === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] pitti: if I use it with the apperance capplet (--check-composited) it will give me a message that I need to enable the driver, then I click ok and nothing appears to happen [10:51] pitti: xorg.conf is not rewriten at least [10:51] I think the download worked earlier [10:51] pitti: this is a fresh tribe-4 install [10:52] mvo: oh, can you please try with latest r-m? [10:53] pitti: ok, I will do that in a bit (machine has no network yet) [10:53] mvo: thanks; if it's still broken, please get back to me [10:53] ok, thanks [10:53] mvo: it indeed was broken for very new or very old cards (nvidia-glx-{legacy,new}) [10:53] mine is neither :) [10:53] 6600 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dwatson [n=david@planetwatson.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] <\sh> mvo, I heard you are the compiz master...upgraded feisty to gutsy, having a ati radeon 9600 card (agp desktop) running xorg with ati oss driver, but enable desktop tells me, that it's not working [11:07] <\sh> mvo, could it be, that this is an upgrade issue, or is ati radeon 9600 not supported from xorg-ati oss drivers? [11:08] \sh: can you please put the output of ".xsession-errors" to a pastebin? after you tried to enable it? [11:08] <\sh> mvo, can do it this evening :) because it's my home machine :) [11:08] <\sh> mvo, but sure will do [11:08] \sh: ok, please do that then :) [11:08] \sh: it has some verbose output that will help me diagnose the issue [11:09] everything else is guesswork [11:09] <\sh> mvo, better to install gutsy from scratch or just leave my installation like it is (upgraded gutsy from feisty) === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] \sh: upgraded should be fine === mvo always upgrades [11:13] <\sh> mvo, cool...you'll get the output around 20 :) === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d82.84-47-23.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] infinity: btw, what's the difference between dpkg --print-{,installation-}architecture? [11:21] infinity: I changed that in apport now as per your recommendation a few days ago [11:21] infinity: and I made it DTRT on lpia === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-171.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.54.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [i=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] keescook: are you doing poppler packaging these days? 0.5.91 is out [11:41] Riddell: desktop team usually, but I can look into it, too [11:41] Riddell: maybe it fixes PDF printing again :) === norsetto [n=cesare@host119-157-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] Riddell: hm, http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ doesn't mention it === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] Riddell: ah, download works, though :) [11:43] hmmm any idea where i can get a plain ubuntu.{png,xpm} ? [11:43] :) [11:44] asac: canonical.com has an artwork page [11:44] i knew i was missing the obvious ;) ... thanks! === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] Riddell: wiki? [11:45] that too, but the public website had one made recently [11:46] hmmm [11:46] http://www.canonical.com/logos [11:46] where is that linked from? [11:46] irc logs now :) [11:47] hmmm i want just the image ... not the text [11:47] ... maybe i have to cut it then [11:47] launchpad.net/ubuntu [11:47] or, crop [11:47] yeah :) === martink [n=martink@216.239.55.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] is there something to configure which compiz plugins are active? [11:50] lifeless: compizconfig-settings-manager or something similarly named. [11:50] lifeless: what Fujitsu says === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] what package is it in? (its notinstalled ) [11:51] lifeless: what HW do you have that made the system freeze when enabling effects? is that a i945? [11:51] lifeless: compizconfig-settings-manager is the package, AFAIK. [11:51] lifeless: compizconfig-settings-manager is the pakcagename (universe) [11:51] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300] : Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03) [11:52] with the "intel" driver I assume? [11:53] yes === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d92.84-47-14.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] lifeless: I wonder if 32bit/64bit makes a difference here === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Fujitsu: an impressive package, doesn't even start for me [12:06] ajmitch: WFM [12:06] python ImportError [12:07] afaik I have the latest compiz crack installed [12:07] must be an new error as it worked for me yesterday [12:07] or just a broken package on my system [12:08] hi pitti [12:08] hey tkamppeter [12:09] tkamppeter: currently discussing the firmware issue [12:09] pitti, Tim Waugh has modified the add-printer wizard so that it asks for the queue name only after printer and model selection, in time before the UVF. I have packaged it, see your mail. [12:09] tkamppeter: rock! === pitti sends a Tim Waugh for being a great upstream [12:10] ajmitch: just upgraded ccsm to 0.5.2+git20070814-0ubuntu1 and it still WFM [12:10] tkamppeter: with a nice default name now, I assume? [12:10] geser: it was referring to an undefined symbol in a library [12:10] geser: and I'm not using any 3rd party packages either :) === jonibo [n=jonas@193.12.106.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] tkamppeter: will have a look later, currently attacking new poppler version (cross your fingers that it fixes PDF printing :) ) [12:12] pitti: To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a difference anymore, I'd have to look at the code. [12:12] infinity: --p-i-a is not even documented [12:13] pitti: I know. :) [12:15] pitti: Ahh, there we go. [12:16] pitti: Okay, --print-architecture used to do the same thing as dpkg-architecture (call a compiler, other silly thing), while --p-i-a just dumped the current dpkg arch. [12:17] pitti: Since 2005 or so, --print-arch was fixed to do what --p-i-a used to do, and then --p-i-a was aliased to --p-a, so they're the same (and both correct) now. [12:17] pitti: I just live in the past, apparently. [12:17] geser: I had old libcompizconfig0 installed, I guess it's a bit loose with shlibs [12:17] infinity: ah, good; I guess I'll revert it then to stay on the documented side [12:20] ajmitch: bug mvo about it [12:20] pitti: Probably safer, though if a dpkg dev ever drops --p-i-a, there will be an uproar from both the Debian and Ubuntu buildd maintainers who have it hardcoded all over the place (due to the old switch historically not quite doing the right thing) === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] tkamppeter, geser: rock! new poppler fixes pdftops [12:22] yeah === binary2k2 [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] pitti, great, then this showstopper is fixed. [12:25] can anyone on current gutsy please test whether opening http://fixnum.org/public/fullcircle/fullcircle-issue01-english.pdf in evince crashes? [12:27] pitti: Segmentation fault (core dumped) [12:28] on amd64 [12:28] pitti: works fine for me on i386 [12:28] geser: cool, thanks; with new poppler it works fine [12:28] Works on i386 here. [12:28] pitti, default printer name is derived from the model, and if the model was not auto-detected derived from the selected PPD. [12:28] so seems bug 123116 is fixed as well [12:28] Launchpad bug 123116 in poppler "evince-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV in Object::fetch()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123116 === pitti downgrades poppler just to verify [12:28] $ evince-thumbnailer -s 128 file:///tmp/fullcircle-issue01-english.pdf /tmp/xx [12:28] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [12:29] yep, confirmed === A20 is now known as _A20 === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD6136.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _A20 is now known as A20 === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Riddell: updated and tested with evince and pdflatex; it doesn't seem to break ABI this time around, but if you could test it with kpdf and koffice it would be good [12:37] koffice doesn't use poppler [12:37] oh, right [12:38] and neither does kpdf in gutsy right now, since it needed the new version, it's high on my list to port the poppler patch to kde 3.5.7 [12:38] Riddell: ah, I see; right, I had to do that for texlive, too [12:38] Riddell: some minor things only, though, like UGooString -> GooString === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] tkamppeter: please register, so that we can /msg === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] tkamppeter: bug 132646 explains the problem [12:44] Launchpad bug 132646 in hplip "firmware files do not have any license" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132646 [12:44] tkamppeter: I'll binary-NEW hplip now to make desktop installable again, but this should be sorted out with upstream eventually; can you contact them please? === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-123-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] pitti, now /msg should work. === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.45.228.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] <\sh> btw...is someone working on those screenlets for c-f? === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] mvo: I have no idea. [01:10] \sh: screenlets? === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] \sh: Not really for c-f :) === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] <\sh> Fujitsu, http://compiz.org/Desktop_Screenlets === EtienneG [i=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-15-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gaara [n=gaara@122.164.123.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] ANY1 HERE READY TO HELP? [01:26] no [01:26] thats not a support channel === gaara [n=gaara@122.164.123.164] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === tck [n=tck@213-202-190-87.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arthur- [n=arthur@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x50a16837.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD49ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d31.84-47-29.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === The_Company [n=Company@e176118143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === The_Company is now known as Companz [02:00] mvo: if I run /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required should update notifer give me a popup saying to reboot? === dwatson [n=david@planetwatson.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Companz is now known as Company === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] Riddell: touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp too [02:06] mvo: ok, that did something, what is it that touches /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ? === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] Riddell: a configuration option added from update-notifier [02:06] Riddell: that is dropped into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] mvo: so for adept should I make an update-notifier-common package with notify-reboot-required and that apt option? [02:10] Riddell: yes, that sounds perfect, then it can drop its 10-adept-periodic file too [02:11] mvo: ok, I'll implement the adept side before playing with u-n packages [02:11] Riddell: ok [02:12] mvo: does anything delete the dpkg-run-stamp and notify-reboot-required files? [02:13] Riddell: notify-reboot-required lifes on /var/run so it gets autoamtically removed and the dpkg-run-stamp is just a stamp file, no need to remove it, its monitored with inotify [02:14] right [02:15] mvo: do you know of anything which currently uses the upgrade hooks? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Riddell: the kernel I think, hal === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@201.64.79.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] mvo: they use reboot-required but not the scripted upgrade hook [02:31] as far as I can tell anyway === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] <\sh> hmm..firefox is using some of those upgrade hooks, isn't it? [02:32] dunno, asac? [02:33] <\sh> they are copying things back and forth, at least since i had a look at the source package the last time, during feisty devel end or gutsy devel start, I'm not sure anymore [02:33] <\sh> and wine should have at least this "reboot needed" notification hook , because of wine-server and mdz' bugreport [02:34] \sh: firefox installs restart notification hints ...yse. [02:34] <\sh> asac: not this update notification for restarted firefox? [02:34] <\sh> s/ed/ing/ [02:35] i don't understand your question ;) [02:35] its an update notification to restart firefox [02:35] <\sh> asac, yeah...didn't read properly :( [02:36] Riddell: oh, sorry. firefox uses one of the upgrade-hooks [02:36] asac: so it does, thanks === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_BRB [02:37] but its not perfect that way [02:37] its often too late to restart firefox when binaries have been replaced [02:38] if user is out of luck he gets notification after firefox crashed ;) === \sh ran once or twice into this problem ;) [02:40] "Please execute the asoundconf(1) set-default-card macro" wow, that's not very user friendly === phanatic [n=phanatic@53d83bc7.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] Riddell: WTH? [02:41] sexy [02:41] Riddell, where do you get that ` [02:41] ? [02:42] <\sh> with a nice blue background, I would say: vista baby vista ,-) [02:44] ogra: alsa-lib upgrade hook [02:45] ouch === ogra didnt upgrade since tribe4 [02:45] it only runs [ -f ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ] so I guess you have to have played around with your sound card settings previously [02:45] it's not a new script === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] seb128: you're on holiday! [02:48] hi Riddell, yeah I know ;) [02:49] seb128: but while you're here, does anything in gnome have an update-notifier upgrade hook? [02:50] not that I know, but better to ask mvo, he probably knows about package using hooks === agoliveira_BRB is now known as agoliveira [02:51] hey seb128 [02:51] hey pitti === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves === highvoltage waves across the ocean to Hobbsee [03:14] hey Hobbsee [03:14] highvoltage! [03:14] hiya pitti :) === Hobbsee hugs pitti === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] Hi Hobbsee [03:18] hi geser === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-8db87621b197b9ab] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kduboi2 [i=kdubois@141.213.236.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] meh, since when does evo complain that i didnt add attachments to my mails ... === ogra shakes his head === tsmithe` [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] ogra: it might do if your e-mail talks about something being attached? === rulus [n=rulus_|@133.76-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] Riddell, right, it said something like that ... bad is if someone in a thread added that content... you have the question on every reply then === lamont notices that splix and dovecot both build-depend things in universe. [03:28] holy crap that would be insane [03:29] i would assume it would detect quoted mail, and know not to ask for that === lifeless hopes its in a plugin and thus nukable [03:30] In Kmail you can edit the regex that's used for the function. I don't know about Evolution. === kduboi2 [i=kdubois@141.213.236.47] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lamont is reminded why he's happy evo has never been his mailer [03:31] lifeless, thanks for the pointer, its indeed a plugin called "Attachment Reminder" [03:33] ogra: thunderbird doesnt do such rubbish. [03:33] thank goodness === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] Hobbsee, well its a neat feature if you like it i guess ... and its just one clieck to disable it [03:34] ogra: true, but you're stuffed if you ever use another client, or webmail [03:34] ogra: better to teach yourself to attach the attachments first, then write the email. [03:34] Hobbsee: I think ogra is searching for a real mail client. Mind you he didn't particularly find one IMO. === ScottK ducks. [03:35] Scotta === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] ScottK: all mail clients suck. some just suck a little less. [03:35] We can all agree on that, I'm pretty sure. [03:35] ScottK, no, i'm trying to use what i deliver to my users so i can comprehend their errors and bugs :P [03:35] Ah. [03:36] That would be another reason. [03:36] and evco isnt that bad ... [03:36] *evo [03:36] ogra: depends on whether you have many folders or not. [03:36] it doesn't handle a couple of thousand folders, for instance. [03:36] I tried it before I tried Kmail and didn't much like it. I tried Kmail and just quit looking. [03:36] kmail is the *only* kde app that manages to confuse me. [03:37] Can evolution use maildir for it's mail store yet? [03:37] Mithrandir, i think in total i'm over 300000 mails atm stored in 45 folders [03:37] ogra: that's seriously too much email.... [03:37] it handles that quite well [03:38] Hobbsee, i like complete local mail archives (and oi love evos search options, TB cant cope here) [03:38] ogra: true [03:38] speed is the only issue ... [03:38] but with that amount of mail its an issue with every mail app i guess [03:40] ogra: I found switching from mbox to maildir helped significantly on speed. === ogra didnt use mbox since several years [03:40] ogra: I have ~12M across 1400 folders, down from about 6.5k folders which just took too long to check them all. === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-179-80.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] ScottK, actually since i switched to evo which offered that as default back then [03:41] OK. Didn't know that about evolution. Maildir/Mbox is a big performance difference application differences aside. [03:41] Mithrandir, oh, i only have one folder on the server that i check and leave sorting to filters .... [03:41] yes, I filter into those folders. [03:42] s/one folder/one incoming folder/ [03:42] but server sided i guess ... === tkamppeter [n=till@bl7-106-117.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] i leave the filtering to evo as well ... [03:43] pitti, ping [03:44] tkamppeter: still here === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] what does 'policy timeout is not valid' when trying to suspend mean? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] "running /scripts/init-bottom" [03:53] it's part of which package? [03:53] many [03:53] initramfs-tools [03:53] its a directory of scripts [03:54] (amongs others, yes) [03:54] bug 132289 [03:55] Launchpad bug 132289 in Ubuntu "[gutsy] segmentation fault during boot in /scripts/init-bottom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132289 [03:55] it's about this bug === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.16.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] Kmos, thats likely not even related to initramfs ... [03:55] something *inside* is having a segfault [03:56] to fix that bug you have to find out what exactly produces it [03:56] ogra: it's kernel related [03:56] ? [03:57] unlikely ... its likely an app dying in the initramfs [03:57] xhaker, poke? [03:57] pygi, rock on [03:57] ogra: what logs should I ask for ? [03:57] kernel generala ? [03:57] *general [03:58] Bug #131961 [03:58] Launchpad bug 131961 in initramfs-tools "segfault when booting 2.6.22-9-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131961 [03:58] ogra, can it be udevd? [03:58] xhaker, pm [03:58] as i said, i doubt thats kernel related, to debug that you need to enter the initramfs during boot and find out whats dying ... Kmos, thats a pretty advanced bug [03:59] :( [03:59]