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| robotgeek | damn, i dozed off. what a waste of useful time | 06:34 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | woot. I get to do doc work today | 07:03 |
| Admiral_Chicago | heya robotgeek | 07:03 |
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| mdke | mpt: interesting about the license; wonder if Gnome will adopt it | 09:05 |
| mdke | dsas: no attachment... | 09:19 |
| dsas | mdke: doh! I do that too often. | 09:20 |
| mdke | me too :) | 09:20 |
| dsas | A thunderbird extension to scan the text of your mail for 'attach*' and warn you if there's not an attachment would be nice. | 09:22 |
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| mdke | so deskbar is there by default eh? | 09:23 |
| mdke | what is deskbar? | 09:23 |
| mdke | ah, it's that irritating search thing | 09:25 |
| mdke | dsas: does it not have any yelp documentation? | 09:27 |
| dsas | mdke: no there's no help link when I right click on it. | 09:27 |
| dsas | I didn't actually search yelp though... I'll have a look. | 09:27 |
| mdke | hmm, bad | 09:27 |
| dsas | hmm | 09:28 |
| mdke | so is that yet another search option we need to include in the searching files section; or is it integrated with tracker? | 09:28 |
| dsas | there is help, but the yelp search function doesn't find it. | 09:28 |
| dsas | I think it uses whatever nautilus does. but might not be right. | 09:29 |
| mdke | perhaps we should say "for more about searching, see *link*" | 09:29 |
| dsas | ok, i'll link to the help too. | 09:29 |
| mdke | link to the bit in the userguide which deals with searching, if you can | 09:30 |
| mdke | (userguide#nautilus-searching) | 09:31 |
| mdke | whoops; user-guide#nautilus-searching | 09:31 |
| dsas | hmm, interesting that nautilus seems to have *two* search interfaces. places->search on the panel and places->search from a nautilus window. | 09:36 |
| dsas | the deskbar applet manual basically just consists of copyright info. So there's no point linking to it. | 09:36 |
| mdke | dsas: on feisty the manual is quite good; are you sure? try /usr/share/gnome/help/deskbar/c/deskbar.xml | 09:37 |
| mdke | well, it's large; not sure about good | 09:37 |
| dsas | hmm | 09:39 |
| dsas | all seems to be commented out here (gutsy) | 09:39 |
| mdke | dsas: you don't have introduction/usage/settings/about | 09:39 |
| mdke | ? | 09:39 |
| mdke | maybe give them a poke upstream and see what's going on | 09:40 |
| dsas | I have introduction and about | 09:40 |
| mdke | perhaps they didn't have time to update it and commented it out | 09:40 |
| mdke | dsas: if you fancy it, you might be able to help them :) | 09:41 |
| dsas | mdke: ok, i'll get in touch with them. Should we link to #nautilus-search regardless of the quality of the deskbar manual? | 09:46 |
| mdke | dsas: yes I think so; because I believe there is someone interested in expanding that section to deal with searching generally | 09:53 |
| mdke | dsas: I've added you to the authors list btw; afaics there isn't anything more we need to do, licence wise. I can't remember if we need to change the title of the document for our modification, probably we do | 09:57 |
| mdke | mpt: ^^ ? | 09:58 |
| dsas | I think we do yes, (each gnome manual used to be titled e.g. "gnome-terminal v2.8 manual" for precisely that reason. | 10:01 |
| dsas | they stopped doing that because they realised their doc team wasn't likely to sue theirselves (or something) | 10:03 |
| mdke | haha | 10:03 |
| mdke | dsas: ok, i have to go to work; if you do an amended patch I'll apply it this evening | 10:04 |
| dsas | ok, I have to leave the house in 10 mins myself. have fun. | 10:05 |
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| mdke | hiya philbull | 10:21 |
| philbull | hey mdke | 10:21 |
| philbull | pitti seems interested in the restricted-manager docs | 10:22 |
| philbull | (it is installed by default in Gutsy) | 10:22 |
| mdke | just not on your system? | 10:23 |
| philbull | yep | 10:24 |
| philbull | there was a bug in tribe 2 which deselected it | 10:24 |
| philbull | ubuntu-desktop only recommends it, so it hadn't been installed in subsequent updates | 10:24 |
| philbull | mdke: do you have any ideas on how to open Yelp from a python app? | 10:25 |
| mdke | philbull: "yelp"? | 10:25 |
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| philbull | we were thinking of using gnome.help_display('topic-name') | 10:26 |
| mdke | fraid I know nothing about python; but just however all apps do it from the help menu, I guess | 10:26 |
| philbull | not to worry | 10:26 |
| mdke | would be useful to link more to the help system in general, actually | 10:27 |
| mdke | I have the feeling that no one reads it, i've been worrying a lot recently about how we could improve that | 10:27 |
| philbull | me too | 10:28 |
| philbull | Now that deskbar-applet is installed by default... | 10:28 |
| philbull | 'Get help on $search_string' | 10:28 |
| mdke | would be good | 10:29 |
| philbull | Shouldn't be too difficult | 10:29 |
| mdke | you could propose it upstream; I guess it's way too late for this release though | 10:29 |
| mdke | so about searching; is tracker integrated with deskbar and nautilus, or are there three separate search mechanisms? | 10:29 |
| philbull | This tracker thing has been confusing me. | 10:30 |
| philbull | There's a spec up at freedesktop.org | 10:30 |
| philbull | This would allow a common API for all of the desktop search tools (beagle, tracker, strigi?) | 10:31 |
| philbull | But GNOME seem to have really bought into Beagle | 10:31 |
| philbull | Yelp optionally uses Beagle, so does deskbar-applet and nautilus | 10:31 |
| mdke | but Ubuntu has bought into tracker? | 10:32 |
| philbull | Yep | 10:32 |
| philbull | tracker probably has patches for nautilus and deskbar-applet | 10:32 |
| philbull | but I'm not so sure about Yelp | 10:33 |
| mdke | ok, so nautilus and deskbar use tracker? | 10:33 |
| mdke | I wish there was better communication about new features in Ubuntu :) | 10:33 |
| philbull | they always add features at what seems like the last minute! | 10:34 |
| mdke | yes, well that's ok; we just need to know more about it | 10:34 |
| philbull | I normally watch the GNOME release note draft | 10:35 |
| philbull | it's a mess this release, though | 10:35 |
| philbull | did you notice the new Yelp upload replaces the ubuntu-docs front page? | 10:36 |
| mdke | eh? | 10:38 |
| mdke | not intentionally, I don't think. What does it look like? | 10:38 |
| philbull | In gutsy, Yelp currently has the default GNOME front page, rather than ours | 10:38 |
| philbull | Wasn't Don Scorgie making some pretty big changes? | 10:38 |
| mdke | perhaps our patch is broken, I'll ask him | 10:39 |
| philbull | It only changed in the updates earlier today | 10:39 |
| mdke | I'll ask him | 10:40 |
| philbull | Ah, I forgot to ask: | 10:43 |
| philbull | How are the GNOME docs? Is any more work needed on customising them? | 10:44 |
| mdke | I don't really know, I would have thought so | 10:45 |
| mdke | I've just started a thread on their list about a good way to deal with the fact that they keep mentioning "Gnome" all the time rather than $distro or "desktop" | 10:46 |
| mdke | other than that, just read and see what you think: probably there are a lot of aspects which need work upstream as well as in Ubuntu | 10:47 |
| philbull | how is the gnome doc team for contributors? | 10:48 |
| mdke | philbull: really bad :) | 10:52 |
| mdke | I don't think anyone is really working on docs at the moment | 10:52 |
| philbull | ouch | 10:52 |
| philbull | we might have to lend a hand... | 10:53 |
| mdke | yes | 10:53 |
| philbull | after string freeze maybe | 10:54 |
| philbull | I'll be going back to uni then though, so won't have as much free time | 10:55 |
| mdke | philbull: no free time at uni? | 10:58 |
| mdke | what sort of uni is this? | 10:58 |
| philbull | he he, physics degree | 10:59 |
| philbull | all my 'free time' is filled with maths (or drinking) | 10:59 |
| mdke | must be different with physics | 10:59 |
| philbull | I can still contribute, its just that I can't do things at crazy hours like I do ATM | 11:00 |
| mdke | sure | 11:01 |
| philbull | did you take a degree, then? | 11:01 |
| mdke | yeah, I miss Uni | 11:01 |
| philbull | i'm intending to stay in uni as long as possible | 11:01 |
| mdke | heh. a friend of mine did that, a lot of physics | 11:02 |
| philbull | however much you do, it's never enough... | 11:03 |
| philbull | there's always something to catch you out! | 11:03 |
| mdke | heh | 11:04 |
| mdke | I got pretty tired of studying though; there is only so much you can put up with | 11:04 |
| philbull | what degree did you take? | 11:05 |
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| philbull | 'night guys | 11:34 |
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| mdke | damn | 11:40 |
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