[06:34] <robotgeek> damn, i dozed off. what a waste of useful time
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> woot. I get to do doc work today
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> heya robotgeek
[09:05] <mdke> mpt: interesting about the license; wonder if Gnome will adopt it
[09:19] <mdke> dsas: no attachment...
[09:20] <dsas> mdke: doh! I do that too often.
[09:20] <mdke> me too :)
[09:22] <dsas> A thunderbird extension to scan the text of your mail for 'attach*' and warn you if there's not an attachment would be nice.
[09:23] <mdke> so deskbar is there by default eh?
[09:23] <mdke> what is deskbar?
[09:25] <mdke> ah, it's that irritating search thing
[09:27] <mdke> dsas: does it not have any yelp documentation?
[09:27] <dsas> mdke: no there's no help link when I right click on it.
[09:27] <dsas> I didn't actually search yelp though... I'll have a look.
[09:27] <mdke> hmm, bad
[09:28] <dsas> hmm
[09:28] <mdke> so is that yet another search option we need to include in the searching files section; or is it integrated with tracker?
[09:28] <dsas> there is help, but the yelp search function doesn't find it.
[09:29] <dsas> I think it uses whatever nautilus does. but might not be right.
[09:29] <mdke> perhaps we should say "for more about searching, see *link*"
[09:29] <dsas> ok, i'll link to the help too.
[09:30] <mdke> link to the bit in the userguide which deals with searching, if you can
[09:31] <mdke> (userguide#nautilus-searching)
[09:31] <mdke> whoops; user-guide#nautilus-searching
[09:36] <dsas> hmm, interesting that nautilus seems to have *two* search interfaces. places->search on the panel and places->search from a nautilus window.
[09:36] <dsas> the deskbar applet manual basically just consists of copyright info. So there's no point linking to it.
[09:37] <mdke> dsas: on feisty the manual is quite good; are you sure? try /usr/share/gnome/help/deskbar/c/deskbar.xml
[09:37] <mdke> well, it's large; not sure about good
[09:39] <dsas> hmm
[09:39] <dsas> all seems to be commented out here (gutsy)
[09:39] <mdke> dsas: you don't have introduction/usage/settings/about
[09:39] <mdke> ?
[09:40] <mdke> maybe give them a poke upstream and see what's going on
[09:40] <dsas> I have introduction and about
[09:40] <mdke> perhaps they didn't have time to update it and commented it out
[09:41] <mdke> dsas: if you fancy it, you might be able to help them :)
[09:46] <dsas> mdke: ok, i'll get in touch with them. Should we link to #nautilus-search regardless of the quality of the deskbar manual?
[09:53] <mdke> dsas: yes I think so; because I believe there is someone interested in expanding that section to deal with searching generally
[09:57] <mdke> dsas: I've added you to the authors list btw; afaics there isn't anything more we need to do, licence wise. I can't remember if we need to change the title of the document for our modification, probably we do
[09:58] <mdke> mpt: ^^ ?
[10:01] <dsas> I think we do yes, (each gnome manual used to be titled e.g. "gnome-terminal v2.8 manual" for precisely that reason.
[10:03] <dsas> they stopped doing that because they realised their doc team wasn't likely to sue theirselves (or something)
[10:03] <mdke> haha
[10:04] <mdke> dsas: ok, i have to go to work; if you do an amended patch I'll apply it this evening
[10:05] <dsas> ok, I have to leave the house in 10 mins myself. have fun.
[10:21] <mdke> hiya philbull
[10:21] <philbull> hey mdke
[10:22] <philbull> pitti seems interested in the restricted-manager docs
[10:22] <philbull> (it is installed by default in Gutsy)
[10:23] <mdke> just not on your system?
[10:24] <philbull> yep
[10:24] <philbull> there was a bug in tribe 2 which deselected it
[10:24] <philbull> ubuntu-desktop only recommends it, so it hadn't been installed in subsequent updates
[10:25] <philbull> mdke: do you have any ideas on how to open Yelp from a python app?
[10:25] <mdke> philbull: "yelp"?
[10:26] <philbull> we were thinking of using gnome.help_display('topic-name')
[10:26] <mdke> fraid I know nothing about python; but just however all apps do it from the help menu, I guess
[10:26] <philbull> not to worry
[10:27] <mdke> would be useful to link more to the help system in general, actually
[10:27] <mdke> I have the feeling that no one reads it, i've been worrying a lot recently about how we could improve that
[10:28] <philbull> me too
[10:28] <philbull> Now that deskbar-applet is installed by default...
[10:28] <philbull> 'Get help on $search_string'
[10:29] <mdke> would be good
[10:29] <philbull> Shouldn't be too difficult
[10:29] <mdke> you could propose it upstream; I guess it's way too late for this release though
[10:29] <mdke> so about searching; is tracker integrated with deskbar and nautilus, or are there three separate search mechanisms?
[10:30] <philbull> This tracker thing has been confusing me.
[10:30] <philbull> There's a spec up at freedesktop.org
[10:31] <philbull> This would allow a common API for all of the desktop search tools (beagle, tracker, strigi?)
[10:31] <philbull> But GNOME seem to have really bought into Beagle
[10:31] <philbull> Yelp optionally uses Beagle, so does deskbar-applet and nautilus
[10:32] <mdke> but Ubuntu has bought into tracker?
[10:32] <philbull> Yep
[10:32] <philbull> tracker probably has patches for nautilus and deskbar-applet
[10:33] <philbull> but I'm not so sure about Yelp
[10:33] <mdke> ok, so nautilus and deskbar use tracker?
[10:33] <mdke> I wish there was better communication about new features in Ubuntu :)
[10:34] <philbull> they always add features at what seems like the last minute!
[10:34] <mdke> yes, well that's ok; we just need to know more about it
[10:35] <philbull> I normally watch the GNOME release note draft
[10:35] <philbull> it's a mess this release, though
[10:36] <philbull> did you notice the new Yelp upload replaces the ubuntu-docs front page?
[10:38] <mdke> eh?
[10:38] <mdke> not intentionally, I don't think. What does it look like?
[10:38] <philbull> In gutsy, Yelp currently has the default GNOME front page, rather than ours
[10:38] <philbull> Wasn't Don Scorgie making some pretty big changes?
[10:39] <mdke> perhaps our patch is broken, I'll ask him
[10:39] <philbull> It only changed in the updates earlier today
[10:40] <mdke> I'll ask him
[10:43] <philbull> Ah, I forgot to ask:
[10:44] <philbull> How are the GNOME docs? Is any more work needed on customising them?
[10:45] <mdke> I don't really know, I would have thought so
[10:46] <mdke> I've just started a thread on their list about a good way to deal with the fact that they keep mentioning "Gnome" all the time rather than $distro or "desktop"
[10:47] <mdke> other than that, just read and see what you think: probably there are a lot of aspects which need work upstream as well as in Ubuntu
[10:48] <philbull> how is the gnome doc team for contributors?
[10:52] <mdke> philbull: really bad :)
[10:52] <mdke> I don't think anyone is really working on docs at the moment
[10:52] <philbull> ouch
[10:53] <philbull> we might have to lend a hand...
[10:53] <mdke> yes
[10:54] <philbull> after string freeze maybe
[10:55] <philbull> I'll be going back to uni then though, so won't have as much free time
[10:58] <mdke> philbull: no free time at uni?
[10:58] <mdke> what sort of uni is this?
[10:59] <philbull> he he, physics degree
[10:59] <philbull> all my 'free time' is filled with maths (or drinking)
[10:59] <mdke> must be different with physics
[11:00] <philbull> I can still contribute, its just that I can't do things at crazy hours like I do ATM
[11:01] <mdke> sure
[11:01] <philbull> did you take a degree, then?
[11:01] <mdke> yeah, I miss Uni
[11:01] <philbull> i'm intending to stay in uni as long as possible
[11:02] <mdke> heh. a friend of mine did that, a lot of physics
[11:03] <philbull> however much you do, it's never enough...
[11:03] <philbull> there's always something to catch you out!
[11:04] <mdke> heh
[11:04] <mdke> I got pretty tired of studying though; there is only so much you can put up with
[11:05] <philbull> what degree did you take?
[11:34] <philbull> 'night guys
[11:40] <mdke> damn