=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by crimsun at Sat Dec 30 01:13:50 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by crimsun at Sat Dec 30 01:13:50 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log [06:34] damn, i dozed off. what a waste of useful time [07:03] woot. I get to do doc work today [07:03] heya robotgeek === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] mpt: interesting about the license; wonder if Gnome will adopt it [09:19] dsas: no attachment... [09:20] mdke: doh! I do that too often. [09:20] me too :) [09:22] A thunderbird extension to scan the text of your mail for 'attach*' and warn you if there's not an attachment would be nice. === mdke nods [09:23] so deskbar is there by default eh? [09:23] what is deskbar? [09:25] ah, it's that irritating search thing [09:27] dsas: does it not have any yelp documentation? [09:27] mdke: no there's no help link when I right click on it. [09:27] I didn't actually search yelp though... I'll have a look. [09:27] hmm, bad [09:28] hmm [09:28] so is that yet another search option we need to include in the searching files section; or is it integrated with tracker? [09:28] there is help, but the yelp search function doesn't find it. [09:29] I think it uses whatever nautilus does. but might not be right. [09:29] perhaps we should say "for more about searching, see *link*" [09:29] ok, i'll link to the help too. [09:30] link to the bit in the userguide which deals with searching, if you can [09:31] (userguide#nautilus-searching) [09:31] whoops; user-guide#nautilus-searching [09:36] hmm, interesting that nautilus seems to have *two* search interfaces. places->search on the panel and places->search from a nautilus window. [09:36] the deskbar applet manual basically just consists of copyright info. So there's no point linking to it. [09:37] dsas: on feisty the manual is quite good; are you sure? try /usr/share/gnome/help/deskbar/c/deskbar.xml [09:37] well, it's large; not sure about good [09:39] hmm [09:39] all seems to be commented out here (gutsy) [09:39] dsas: you don't have introduction/usage/settings/about [09:39] ? [09:40] maybe give them a poke upstream and see what's going on [09:40] I have introduction and about [09:40] perhaps they didn't have time to update it and commented it out [09:41] dsas: if you fancy it, you might be able to help them :) [09:46] mdke: ok, i'll get in touch with them. Should we link to #nautilus-search regardless of the quality of the deskbar manual? [09:53] dsas: yes I think so; because I believe there is someone interested in expanding that section to deal with searching generally [09:57] dsas: I've added you to the authors list btw; afaics there isn't anything more we need to do, licence wise. I can't remember if we need to change the title of the document for our modification, probably we do [09:58] mpt: ^^ ? [10:01] I think we do yes, (each gnome manual used to be titled e.g. "gnome-terminal v2.8 manual" for precisely that reason. [10:03] they stopped doing that because they realised their doc team wasn't likely to sue theirselves (or something) [10:03] haha [10:04] dsas: ok, i have to go to work; if you do an amended patch I'll apply it this evening [10:05] ok, I have to leave the house in 10 mins myself. have fun. === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LogBot-UbuntuDoc [n=DarkRave@dsl-243-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ChrisBM [n=chris@h56n1fls309o285.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-190-87.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-241-206-155.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bonthegeek [n=bonthege@12-205-241-198.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@c-24-11-161-91.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jason_mule [n=jason@217.21.118.62] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jason_mule [n=jason@217.21.118.62] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@fluxbuntu/documentation/bodhizazen] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-124-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by crimsun at Sat Dec 30 01:13:50 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === LogBot-UbuntuDoc [n=DarkRave@dsl-243-124-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF14A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-190-87.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-124-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-190-87.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philbull [n=phil@89.241.235.39] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-124-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam_ [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] hiya philbull [10:21] hey mdke [10:22] pitti seems interested in the restricted-manager docs [10:22] (it is installed by default in Gutsy) [10:23] just not on your system? [10:24] yep [10:24] there was a bug in tribe 2 which deselected it [10:24] ubuntu-desktop only recommends it, so it hadn't been installed in subsequent updates [10:25] mdke: do you have any ideas on how to open Yelp from a python app? [10:25] philbull: "yelp"? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:26] we were thinking of using gnome.help_display('topic-name') [10:26] fraid I know nothing about python; but just however all apps do it from the help menu, I guess [10:26] not to worry [10:27] would be useful to link more to the help system in general, actually [10:27] I have the feeling that no one reads it, i've been worrying a lot recently about how we could improve that [10:28] me too [10:28] Now that deskbar-applet is installed by default... [10:28] 'Get help on $search_string' [10:29] would be good [10:29] Shouldn't be too difficult [10:29] you could propose it upstream; I guess it's way too late for this release though [10:29] so about searching; is tracker integrated with deskbar and nautilus, or are there three separate search mechanisms? [10:30] This tracker thing has been confusing me. [10:30] There's a spec up at freedesktop.org [10:31] This would allow a common API for all of the desktop search tools (beagle, tracker, strigi?) [10:31] But GNOME seem to have really bought into Beagle [10:31] Yelp optionally uses Beagle, so does deskbar-applet and nautilus [10:32] but Ubuntu has bought into tracker? [10:32] Yep [10:32] tracker probably has patches for nautilus and deskbar-applet [10:33] but I'm not so sure about Yelp [10:33] ok, so nautilus and deskbar use tracker? [10:33] I wish there was better communication about new features in Ubuntu :) [10:34] they always add features at what seems like the last minute! [10:34] yes, well that's ok; we just need to know more about it [10:35] I normally watch the GNOME release note draft [10:35] it's a mess this release, though [10:36] did you notice the new Yelp upload replaces the ubuntu-docs front page? [10:38] eh? [10:38] not intentionally, I don't think. What does it look like? [10:38] In gutsy, Yelp currently has the default GNOME front page, rather than ours [10:38] Wasn't Don Scorgie making some pretty big changes? [10:39] perhaps our patch is broken, I'll ask him [10:39] It only changed in the updates earlier today [10:40] I'll ask him [10:43] Ah, I forgot to ask: [10:44] How are the GNOME docs? Is any more work needed on customising them? [10:45] I don't really know, I would have thought so [10:46] I've just started a thread on their list about a good way to deal with the fact that they keep mentioning "Gnome" all the time rather than $distro or "desktop" [10:47] other than that, just read and see what you think: probably there are a lot of aspects which need work upstream as well as in Ubuntu [10:48] how is the gnome doc team for contributors? [10:52] philbull: really bad :) [10:52] I don't think anyone is really working on docs at the moment [10:52] ouch [10:53] we might have to lend a hand... [10:53] yes [10:54] after string freeze maybe [10:55] I'll be going back to uni then though, so won't have as much free time [10:58] philbull: no free time at uni? [10:58] what sort of uni is this? [10:59] he he, physics degree [10:59] all my 'free time' is filled with maths (or drinking) [10:59] must be different with physics [11:00] I can still contribute, its just that I can't do things at crazy hours like I do ATM [11:01] sure [11:01] did you take a degree, then? [11:01] yeah, I miss Uni [11:01] i'm intending to stay in uni as long as possible [11:02] heh. a friend of mine did that, a lot of physics [11:03] however much you do, it's never enough... [11:03] there's always something to catch you out! [11:04] heh [11:04] I got pretty tired of studying though; there is only so much you can put up with [11:05] what degree did you take? === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-67-36-62-55.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:34] 'night guys === philbull [n=phil@89.241.235.39] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:40] damn