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=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Fujitsu at Wed Aug 8 04:01:59 2007
(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) #$%^^ launchpad05:29
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khermans_what is the cutoff in the release cycle for adding a new package to universe/multiverse?05:30
ScottKAugust 30th for new package05:30
Fujitsukhermans_: See GutsyReleaseSchedule... the deadline in question is NewPackagesFreezeUniverse05:30
FujitsuOr what ScottK said.05:30
khermans_Fujitsu, oh nice!05:30
khermans_Fujitsu, ok so i hjave a question05:31
khermans_metasploit 3 is under their own license05:31
FujitsuFire away.05:31
khermans_would this go into multiverse instead?05:32
khermans_it is somewhat restrictive05:32
FujitsuIt depends if the license is appropriately free.05:32
FujitsuLink?05:32
khermans_sec05:32
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khermans_Fujitsu, http://www.metasploit.com/projects/Framework/msf3/download.html?Release=alpha-r305:33
FujitsuLooking.05:34
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FujitsuUrgh, 3a.05:35
ajmitch"there are significant restrictions on commercial use and redistribution. "05:35
ajmitchdoesn't look promising from the start05:35
khermans_ajmitch, well i have aconvo going with hdm05:35
khermans_the lead dev05:35
FujitsuIt basically seems to be "don't modify or we'll kill you"05:36
khermans_i dont think he wants to prevent it being in ubuntu, just ensure that people dont modify and commercialize it05:36
ajmitchlooks like it may be a challenge to even get into multiverse05:36
khermans_ajmitch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/10221205:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102212 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  metasploit" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 05:37
khermans_ajmitch, how did Sun's JDK get in?05:37
=== ajmitch isn't sure what level of redistribution is required
jmghmm05:37
FujitsuCommercial use is fine, but you can't sell it.05:37
ajmitchkhermans_: there was work done with sun & redistribution of it was allowed for that05:37
khermans_it was in before going open source05:37
FujitsuIt is redistributable, AFAICT.05:37
jmgisnt there generally a moratorium on script kiddy tools going into debian05:37
FujitsuJust not very modifiable... I'd say multiverse would be OK.05:37
khermans_ajmitch, right so if possible the msf devs gave us permission, would that make it uni or multi ocmpatible?05:37
ajmitchkhermans_: multiverse at best05:38
ajmitch(from a very quick reading of the license)05:38
khermans_i thought so05:38
jmgi mean05:38
ajmitchan archive admin would have a better opinion of it05:38
khermans_ajmitch, can you refer me to someone?05:38
jmgjust because i release a rootkit under a compatible license05:38
jmgdoesnt mean it should go in the archive...05:39
khermans_haha05:39
khermans_jmg, well you could say the same about nmap05:39
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khermans_or any other security tool05:39
khermans_hehe05:39
jmgkhermans_: nmap cant root05:39
khermans_jmg, of course not05:39
jmgkhermans_: metasploit can05:39
khermans_jmg, so can a guy with nc05:40
khermans_or telent05:40
khermans_telnet -froot05:40
jmgkhermans_: a guy who knows what hes doing05:40
jmgat least defang the plugins05:40
=== ScottK wonders if the indemnification clause might also be problematic.
khermans_anyways, whatever we can do to get it in if possible05:40
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jmgshrug05:40
khermans_ScottK, what does that really mean?05:41
ScottKI'm not entirely sure.05:41
khermans_lol05:41
FujitsuScottK: Which bit do you think is questionable?05:41
ScottKIt might mean that if Ubuntu distributes it and it turns out it violates someone's patent, Ubuntu has agreed to defend the developer.05:42
ScottKI'm not sure it means that, I'm just not sure it doesn't.05:42
jmghttp://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/07/msg00118.html05:42
ajmitchScottK: I suspect we already have some dodgy clauses like that in multiverse05:42
ScottKCould be.  I've never uploaded anything to multiverse that wasn't there due to multiverse depends.05:43
FujitsuHm, that `and defend' doesn't look nice, you're right.05:43
khermans_Fujitsu, hrmmm05:43
khermans_well i will keep in touch with the devs an see wha thappens05:44
khermans_thx for the help05:44
jmgthe metasploit license is not approved by osi05:45
=== ScottK sure as heck wouldn't upload it with the "and defend" clause in there.
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Fujitsujmg: Your point? multiverse isn't all free.05:46
FujitsuScottK: Me neither.05:47
jmgAh.05:48
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khermans_there are about ~600 packages in multiverse05:50
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khermans_interesting that linux-lowlatency is in multiverse05:52
khermans_maybe the kernel patches are from some major vendors05:53
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bddebianGrr, what the hell is up with netatalk and netdude..06:28
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virtuosostevehey06:29
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Hobbseekhermans_: ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com is the contact address07:24
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TheMuso/c/07:28
TheMusough07:28
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Hobbseeyou really should script that07:29
btmSo is having a 4-clause bsd license in ubuntu packages okay?07:31
khermans_Hobbsee, ?07:32
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Hobbseekhermans_: ?07:35
Hobbseekhermans_: you asked how to contact the archive admins07:35
khermans_Hobbsee, well i asked who would want to talk about a license issue for getting somehting into multiverse07:36
pygiHobbsee, poke you. I've got the libmtp stuff, care to review?07:38
Hobbseekhermans_: i believe you got the answer "the archive admins".  that is their contact address07:38
Hobbseepygi: not overly, on this connection.07:38
pygiHobbsee, ah, k07:39
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pygiHobbsee, /me gonna bug pitti then ^_^07:39
Hobbseekhermans_: pitti is around, but he'd prefer you contact that mailing list, as he's no licencing expert07:40
khermans_Hobbsee, will do thx07:40
Hobbseeno problem07:42
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HobbseeMithrandir: khermans_ ^07:44
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khermans_:-)07:44
MithrandirHobbsee: given I just joined; please repeat. :-)07:44
HobbseeMithrandir: i have no mouse, i'm inside irssi here :)07:44
Hobbseehttp://www.metasploit.com/projects/Framework/msf3/download.html?Release=alpha-r307:44
khermans_Hobbsee, how about gpm?07:44
Mithrandirwell, somebody else then. :-)07:45
Hobbsee13:34 < khermans_> metasploit 3 is under their own license07:45
khermans_or you mean physically no mouse...heh07:45
Hobbseewould this go into multiverse instead?07:45
Hobbseemetasploit 3 is under their own license07:45
khermans_right,,,07:45
Hobbseegah, that did paste twice07:45
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Hobbseekhermans_: gpm?07:46
khermans_Hobbsee, the mouse module for the console07:47
Mithrandirit's non-free, but you're allowed to redistribute the source, so multiverse.07:47
khermans_Hobbsee, sudo modprobe gpm07:47
Mithrandirgpm isn't a kernel driver, it's just a normal package07:47
Hobbseehmmm.  bugger.07:48
Hobbseethis uni clearly doesnt sync things.07:48
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=== Hobbsee scp's differently, then.
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khermans_got disconnected, Xorg borked on me07:51
khermans_the last thing i saw was hobess linking to the license07:52
Mithrandir07:47 < Mithrandir> it's non-free, but you're allowed to redistribute the source, so multiverse.07:52
khermans_Mithrandir, no what about the clause about defending the develoeprs and their software?07:52
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Mithrandirkhermans_: multiverse only requires us to be able to redistribute the software.07:53
khermans_Mithrandir, well im just wondering about debian policy07:53
Mithrandirit's fine for Debian's non-free too.07:54
khermans_if the license says you must bend over and kiss your own ass, is that allowed in multiverse?07:54
Mithrandiryes.07:54
khermans_good to know!07:54
khermans_Mithrandir, also why is linux-lowlatency in multiverse?07:54
Mithrandiror "this licence is only valid for as long as you stand on one leg.  Once you put down your other foot, your rights to use this software is terminated." is fine.  Well, not fine, but it's allowed.07:55
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khermans_i c07:55
khermans_Hobbsee, thx dude07:55
btmkhermans_: did you see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses ?07:55
Mithrandirbecause it depends on linux-restricted-modules-lowlatency which is in multiverse07:55
khermans_ahh07:55
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StevenKUgh. Why is the thing I'm waiting to build 4th last on sparc's build queue?08:17
btmkhermans_: and you may enjoy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=32342008:17
ubotuDebian bug 323420 in wnpp "ITP: metasploit-framework -- advanced platform for developing, testing, and using exploit code" [Wishlist,Open] 08:17
khermans_btm, but still fine for multiverse right?08:19
khermans_i read this thread previously08:19
MithrandirStevenK: what are you waiting for?08:20
StevenKMithrandir: nip208:21
MithrandirStevenK: should build next, then08:23
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StevenKMithrandir: Heh, I see that. Thanks. :-)08:26
MithrandirStevenK: I'm generally happy to rescore builds for you guys if you have a valid reason ("I want my bling" is less of a valid reason than "I need this other thing so I can fix this bug and test it in a useful manner")08:28
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StevenKMithrandir: Ah, the reason is "I want this to build so I can get two old binaries NBS'd out of the archive."08:33
Mithrandira perfectly fine reason to me08:34
btmkhermans_: I would suppose so, that's one gross license though.08:34
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mrignshi, can I add repositories to pbuilders sources.list without opening the base.tgz?09:05
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mrignsHobbsee, how can I add apt-lines to pbuilder? I tried this:  sudo pbuilder update --override-config --distribution feisty --othermirror deb http://ftp.stw-bonn.de/ubuntu/ feisty universe ./09:22
mrignswhich results in an error09:22
Hobbsee"an error"?09:22
Hobbseefollow !pbuilder09:22
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mrignsE: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type)09:22
RAOFmrigns: You would need to put the deb line in quotes, at least.09:22
Hobbseemrigns: then you may want to actually check said /etc/apt/sources.list09:23
Hobbseeline 1, in particular09:23
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mrignsHobbsee, this is line 1: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main09:24
mrignsdoesn't seem wrong imho09:25
Hobbseeshould be OK09:25
mrignsFailed to fetch http://ftp.stw-bonn.de/ubuntu/dists/feisty/Release  Unable to find expected entry  .//binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)09:27
btmwhat's with the "./" in your repository line?09:28
mrignsbtm, hmm it's used in the manpage09:28
Hobbseemrigns: try it without - that tends to mean "all options" instead of just feisty main09:29
Hobbseemrigns: but why are you wanting to build a feisty pbuilder anyway?09:29
btmmrigns: drop the ./09:29
mrignsdropped it09:29
mrignsHobbsee, just to fool a bit around, trying how to build packages09:30
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=== \sh thinks that he has to start a GPbuilder project...from setting up an environment to building packages...
RAOFdevscripts?09:32
Hobbsee\sh: how would that work?09:32
Hobbsee\sh: it'd be nice if we could do a file that would "just work".09:32
Hobbseealthough that would require adding universe & multiverse by default, i expect09:33
\shHobbsee, i have some shells which creates my directories, setup my pbuilderc for any release I need and which creates pbuilder-<distro>-<arch> scripts which are working nicely on x86/x86_64 archs ;)09:33
Hobbsee\sh: nice :)09:34
=== RAOF almost has something similar.
RAOFAnd then I switched to sbuild.09:34
\shHobbsee, this can be setup in a gui tool with gtk-python or python-qt09:34
btmmrigns: it would be "deb url repos". most mirrors have multiple repos all under url (main, restricted, etc). if url pointed into one of those, you'd use ./ as the repo. It's just for being able to list multiple repos on one line without duplicating urls.09:34
mrignsbtm, thx for the info09:35
\shbut thinking about a gui tool for packagers ... i would say "the apocalypse is near"09:35
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ajmitch\sh: wouldn't it just be wonderful & make ubuntu so much better?09:39
=== pygi thinks there already is such project (gui for packaging)
\shajmitch, no comment about this...it would be not CoC compatible ,-)09:40
ajmitchhehe09:41
\shajmitch, good think is: ubuntu reaches more people if we would do everything with UIs09:41
\shajmitch, bad think would be: we lose brain09:41
Mithrandirmm, brains.09:42
HobbseeMithrandir: NOT YOURS.09:42
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Mithrandirmm, tasty!09:43
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Hobbseethere's no brain there09:43
Mithrandirsure, I just had a small tasting.09:45
\shreading jordans blog article about opensuse...I wonder if anyone knows, that they are auto-building debian packages, which will be then .rpms for opensuse ,-)09:45
MithrandirI don't want to kill you.  Where would the fun in that be?09:45
\shand this works on OBS quite nicely09:46
HobbseeMithrandir: dont know.  id' suggest you ask the people who want to kill me.09:47
Hobbsee\sh: they're also doing stuff for ubuntu, iirc09:47
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\shHobbsee, they have ubuntu dapper/feisty build repositories..yeah..and it's possible to create debian packages and rpms from one tar.gz at the same time...very cool...and opensource..i have the buildservice running in our DC for building packages for all used distros we have :)09:48
Hobbseenice :)09:49
\shcool workflow btw...09:49
\shfor debian packages you can just upload "orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, .dsc file" and it starts building for debian build repositories09:49
\shor you upload upstream.tar.gz, a spec file, and a debian.tar.gz with the debian dir inside..and it builds rpm and .deb files :)09:50
\shI told adrianS last year that they are crazy ... but seeing it now and how it's working...I'm really admiring the build-service team for creating this piece of software...really..it's great work09:51
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tonyyarusso\sh: where can I look into this software?09:58
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\shtonyyarusso, http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service10:03
\shtonyyarusso, you can read about it there...and for opensuse10.2 you have packages...ubuntu packages for feisty as well...but they are not supported...I'm working on a better solution for ubuntu packages for this...10:03
tonyyarussoah10:03
\shI'm integrating this buildservice tool into our fai installation...so we can use the repositories there for SLES/openSuSE and ubuntu repositories...10:04
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\shit also creates apt-getable repositories for debian projects...very nice10:05
norsettomorning all10:05
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Hobbseemorning norsetto!10:05
norsettoHobbsee :-)10:05
\shHobbsee, btw...I'm still working on amarok...my buildserver just died yesterday evening because of more important private issues :)10:05
Hobbsee\sh: right.  tell Riddell that10:05
Hobbsee\sh: oh, and preferably keep that to one, quieter channel too, maybe :)10:06
pygiHobbsee, you've got yourself more hardware support btw ;)10:07
HobbseeRAOF: so can i have a psychic pony?10:07
Hobbseepygi: hm?10:07
pygiHobbsee, the libmtp10:07
Hobbseeoh, yay!10:07
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Hobbseegreetings jono10:23
jonohey10:24
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ajmitchhello mr jono10:36
jonohey ajmitch10:38
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=== ajmitch really hopes this wine update doesn't break WoW
\shoh wine...how silent my life is now without wine ,-)10:42
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=== ajmitch really needs to purge tracker from this system
Lutinnorsetto: did someone had a look at your mail-notificaion patch already ?11:15
norsettolutin: don't think so11:17
norsettolutin: can you have a look at it yourself? Would appreciate it much11:17
Lutinnorsetto: yep, will do it today11:18
norsettolutin: merc! :-)11:18
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Lutinnorsetto: np ;)11:19
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Fujitsuajmitch: Your RC bugs thing is giving overly verbose MySQL errors.11:25
ajmitchprobably because I just restarted & mysql isn't running11:25
ajmitchtracker was murdering disk performance11:27
FujitsuThat's what tracker does, unfortunately :(11:28
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\shI disabled tracker :)11:47
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mok0What is the easiest/best way to update the build dir when a new upstream version appears?12:11
Fujitsumok0: uupdate12:11
mok0Fujitsu: thx I will check the manpage!12:11
broonieNote that that won't work with some packaging styles (dbs is the main offender)12:12
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\shohoh...http://phanatic.hu/archives/2007/08/ubuntu-viral-marketing-in-hungary/ this will get very political ,-)12:30
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norsettoA20: what is your problem?12:51
RainCThi12:51
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apachelogger\sh_away: I consider blogging... I like supporting good marketing campaigns :D12:55
=== apachelogger though prefers the more ...insane professonal way...
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Lutinnorsetto: mail-notification FTBFS even with your patch :/02:19
arthur-hello Lutin02:20
Lutinheya arthur- \o02:20
arthur-Lutin: so, what's up? :-)02:21
Lutinarthur-: trying to sort out the mail-notification thing ;) . you ?02:26
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xxxxx1mornin' people02:26
arthur-Lutin: trying to build a shared lib from libgphobos (D language shared library) :-)02:27
Lutin:)02:27
Lutin'morning xxxxx102:27
arthur-hello xxxxx102:27
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Lutinnorsetto: around ?02:30
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xxxxx1hey Lutin, arthur-02:36
norsettolutin: sorry, was haviung lunch02:36
Lutinnorsetto: no prob02:37
norsettolutin: you applied the patch to 4.1.dfsg.1-1?02:37
Lutinnorsetto: yep, with some adjustments02:38
norsettolutin: ok, it was building fine for me with a pbuilder gutsy02:38
norsettolutin: amd64 if it makes any difference02:38
Lutinnorsetto: eg, running llibtoolize & co won't ever work with the makebuilddir: target, because this is run before the patches are applied iirc02:38
norsettolutin: the first time yes, but it is rerun after the patch02:39
Lutinhum ok02:40
Lutinnorsetto: fails with this here: mn-evolution-folder-tree-control.gob:129: error: too few arguments to function 'em_folder_tree_set_selected'02:40
Lutinamd64 as well02:40
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norsettolutin: never seen it before, if you tell me what you modified I can try on my machine too02:41
Lutinnorsetto: apart the makebuilddir: target, nothing02:41
norsettolutin: what target did you choose?02:41
Lutinpost-patches02:41
norsettolutin: ok, let me try with that02:41
zulmorning02:42
Lutinmorning zul02:42
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Lutinnorsetto: same error if I apply your patch and compile right after02:47
norsettolutin: building now, I'm wondering about this error: mn-evolution-folder-tree-control.gob perhaps its an api change; but the lib was not changed recently02:48
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norsettolutin: same error I guess?02:50
Lutinyep02:50
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A20norsetto, Hi03:09
A20norsetto, have you seen my privat messages?03:10
norsettoA20:I saw you contacted me, if its about the reception, can you send me an email?03:15
A20sure03:15
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norsettoA20: please add also details about you and what you did so far, ok? thanks03:17
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mok0When repackaging the orig.tar.gz, am I supposed to put a shell-script somewhere that says how I did it?03:20
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ScottKmok0: get-orig-source in debian/rules is what you are thinking of.03:22
ScottKIt's not absolutely required.  Alternatively you can describe how to do it manually in debian/copyright.03:22
ScottKThere's a description on one of the MOTU wiki pages on how to do get-orig-source.03:23
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mok0ScottK: I'll use copyright, then.03:28
ScottKOK.  That's what I did when I had to do it.03:28
mok0ScottK: Is revu still down?03:28
ScottKFeel free to ping me when you have stuff that needs looking at since I've looked at your packages befre.03:28
ScottKYes03:28
ScottKbefre/before03:29
mok0I'll email you the source package shortly, then03:29
ScottKOr if you have web space you can use a link to a .dsc so I can dget it would work.  Up to you.03:29
ScottKsiretart: I approved the backport in Bug 120905 based on your say so that it worked.  I'd appreciate it if you would have a look at the latest comment on the bug.03:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120905 in feisty-backports "Please backport emacs22 from gutsy to feisty-backports" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12090503:33
norsettolutin: ca c'est la bonne, ils aves deja pris mes modifications!?03:37
arthur-Lutin: tu chired j'avais oubli de te dire03:39
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Hobbseenorsetto: are you busy at the moment?03:41
norsettoHobbsee: not anymore03:41
mok0ScottK: Is README.Debian-source not used??03:42
Hobbseenorsetto: can you do me (and white) a favour, and merge imlib please?  unsure if it's a sync or merge.03:42
Hobbseenorsetto: it's a security fix03:42
ScottKmok0: Not anymore.  It's a recent change.03:42
arthur-hello man-di03:42
norsettoHobbsee: sure03:42
Hobbseenorsetto: thanks :)03:42
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mok0ScottK: I just emailed you kssh03:49
ScottKI'll have a look.03:50
mok0Great! Ooops I have to go...03:50
mok0need to pick up my daughter from school03:50
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siretartScottK: looks like it has been build in the wrong chroots04:12
ScottKsiretart: OK.  Thanks for looking.  Suggestions on what to do?04:12
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siretartScottK: verify that only the binary in my ppa is affected, and file a bugreport04:17
ScottKOK.04:18
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russ_Thanks for the offer ScottK, My Question wa:  I want to install a Python library, I know how to do this in Windows (c:\Python25\lib\) do you know where to put it in Ubuntu?05:43
ScottKruss_: What library?05:46
ScottKFirst thing is to check if it's been packaged already.05:46
russ_http://libgmail.sourceforge.net/05:47
POX_russ_: aptitude install python-libgmail05:47
russ_great thanks :)05:48
Skiessicould you get cinelerra to the repository?05:48
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HobbseeSkiessi: if someone puts it in there, sure05:49
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bddebianHeya gang05:51
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SkiessiHobbsee: you can put it after someone else has put it there? gj05:51
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geserhi bddebian05:52
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tgm4883is anyone available to review a package for me?  The necessary files are located at http://linux.weilandhomes.com  I also included the output of lintian and linda which came back with no errors05:52
bddebianAnyone have a minute to help me with a buildd failure?05:52
HobbseeSkiessi: if someone uploads a good version of it whcih follows the packaging guide, then sure, it'll go in05:52
bddebianHeya geser05:52
Hobbseebddebian: i'll attempt to help with the build failure, if you help tgm4883.  howzat for blackmail?  :)05:52
bddebianOh man...05:52
tgm4883lol05:52
bddebiantgm4883: Whats the package?05:52
tgm4883its mythstream plugin for mythtv05:53
bddebianOK05:53
tgm4883i had superm1 help me do it and he looked it over too05:53
bddebianThis is new to Ubuntu?05:56
tgm4883yea, its an unofficial plugin.   only the official plugins are in ubuntu05:56
bddebianHobbsee: Both netdude and netatalk failed to build on the buildd but built fine in my pbuilder.  I've seen issues before with buildd but these look like missing libraries so I'm confused :-(05:57
ScottKbddebian: But I know superm1 has been working with people to get their stuff up to snuff for inclusion.  Their goal is to be as "official" as possible.05:57
bddebianScottK: Sure05:57
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Hobbseebddebian: got the buildlog URL's handy?05:58
bddebianhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/8835482/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.netatalk_2.0.3-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz05:58
bddebianScottK, tgm4883: The reason I ask is that if it's new to ubuntu, shouldn't the release be -0ubuntu1?05:59
ScottKAh05:59
ScottKbddebian: I'm willing to blame apparmor for that one05:59
Hobbseebddebian: looks like a missing b-d on libgssapi-dev05:59
Hobbseebddebian: as for why it worked on your pbuilder, i've no idea.05:59
ScottKNevermind06:00
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bddebianhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/8835483/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.netdude_0.3.3-4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz06:00
geserHobbsee: the missing b-d is libkrb5-dev06:00
tgm4883I found the package from a debian guy (andrew pollack).  It's not in the debian repos, but he debanized it so I thought it should be -1ubuntu106:00
Hobbseegeser: ah, so that was it06:00
tgm4883sorry, andrew pollock06:01
Hobbseegeser: i didnt know which group of dev packages it belonged to (krb, or gssapi)06:01
tgm4883I found it here  http://www.andrew.net.au/~apollock/mythstream/06:01
geseryou can probably replace heimdal-dev with libkrb5-dev06:01
bddebianSo how the hell does it build locally?  I'm trying it again now just to be sure..06:02
Hobbseebddebian: no idea on that second one, apart from the obvious06:02
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bddebianIt just built again.. wtf06:08
ScottKIf the result after a build is "Failed to upload", does that need an archive admin to fix it and do I need to tell them or do they just get to it eventually?06:08
HobbseeScottK: means soyuz fell over.  poke an archive admin or infinity06:08
ScottKOK06:09
ScottKThanks.06:09
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bddebiantgm4883: Test building now06:14
tgm4883ok, thanks06:14
tgm4883am I okay with the verion # since I got it from andrew pollock?06:15
bddebianNo you should probably change that, but that's minor06:16
tgm4883ok06:16
bddebiangeser: What about the netdude one?  Add a build-dep for libcap0.7-dev?06:16
bddebianhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/8835483/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.netdude_0.3.3-4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz06:16
tgm4883so just to be sure, it should be this right mythstream_0.17.2-2-0ubuntu1.dsc?06:17
bddebianYes it should06:17
tgm4883ok06:17
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bddebiantgm4883: Oh, no.  0.17.2-0ubuntu1, sorry06:17
tgm4883ok, was just about to ask that06:17
bddebianAnd only 1 changelog entry would be needed06:18
tgm4883only 1 changelog entry from me?  or are you saying to remove andrews entries?06:18
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bddebianYou can probably get rid of all of them.  Just have 1 entry for -0ubuntu1 stating initial release for ubuntu and any specific changes you have make06:19
tgm4883ok06:19
bddebians/make/made/06:19
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tgm4883am i correct in thinking that if it was in the debian repos that it would be -2ubuntu1?06:20
tgm4883or am i thinking wrong altogether on that?06:20
bddebiantgm4883: Yes if Debians release was -2 it would be -2ubuntu106:20
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tgm4883ok thanks06:21
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geserbddebian: replace libpcap-dev with libpcap0.7-dev (it doesn't build with libpcap0.8-dev)06:22
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bddebianthanks geser, you DA MAN!06:23
tgm4883bddebian, should i also remove XSBC-Original-Maintainer:  Andrew Pollock <apollock@debian.org> from control?06:23
Hobbseebddebian: crack infected system.06:23
pygitgm4883, afaik that line should be there06:24
tgm4883ok, just checking06:24
bddebiantgm4883: Do you know if he intends to maintain it in Debian?06:24
tgm4883no idea06:24
tgm4883my plan was to send him the changes, then perhaps we could sync06:24
geserbddebian: the last libpcap0.8 upload (17 hours ago) move libpcap-dev from libpcap (0.7) to libpcap0.806:25
bddebiantgm4883: Then I would leave it06:27
tgm4883ok06:27
bddebian@#$%$^06:30
bddebiantgm4883: Looks like debian/copyright might be missing some copyright holders.  libs/qhttp* seem to be: Copyright (C) 1997-2005 Trolltech06:33
bddebian parsers/apple.pl:# * Copyright 2005 by Michael Knoll06:34
bddebianparsers/bbc/bbc_l1.pl:### Copyright (c) 2005 Robin Gilks06:34
Hobbseenorsetto: please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imlib/+bug/132724 :)06:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132724 in imlib "Please merge imlib (1.9.15-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] 06:35
Hobbsee(the last comment)06:35
bddebiantgm4883: Other than the changelog and those 3 copyright holders, it looks very clean to me06:35
tgm4883alright, i fixed the changelog06:35
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Hobbseenorsetto: apart from that, looks great :)06:36
tgm4883i'll add those 3 copyright holders to the copyright section of copyright06:36
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bddebiantgm4883: Excellent thanks.  I didn't look at the licenses for the parser stuff but the Trolltech stuff uses the Q license so I think you need to put a copy of that in debian/copyright as well06:37
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norsettoHobbsee: you are right, I think the clean target maybe do not revert patches correctly?06:38
Hobbseenorsetto: it usually does, depending on the build system06:39
Hobbseenorsetto: (you should just be able to remove the offending part out of the debdiff)06:39
norsettoHobbsee: sure, just wanted to understand how it ended up there06:39
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Hobbseenorsetto: yeah.  there's a section of debhelper that you can add to the rules file to add and remove patches.  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/patch-rules for eg06:40
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Hobbseebut it would usually remove them too, in the clean06:40
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(AndyP/#ubuntu-motu) was revu running breezy? :)08:28
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(\sh/#ubuntu-motu) nixternal, with drupal you can just inject malicious php code...yeah, but not updating from breezy to something else (dapper e.g.) it's also a fault...no security patches == more risk, less fun ;)08:29
nixternaltrue08:29
\shAndrewB, revu never ran drupal08:29
\shaeh AndyP08:29
nixternalbut the attacks/exploits were "supposedly" traced back to the use of old versions of Drupal (cross-site) and ftp08:29
AndyP\sh: i didn't say it did08:29
\shbut I don't know...when we started, it was running breezy, sure, but after that, I wasn't admin anymore :)08:29
\shnixternal, ftp is more dangerous...the wrong ftp service running with a nice root exploit, and you can do everything08:30
nixternaland that they did :)08:31
\shhappy birthday my dear ;)08:31
\shok...need to end this for today...my little sexy wife is just waiting for me with a nice ubuntu shirt on...08:33
\shgood night ppls08:33
bddebianGnight \sh08:36
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xxxxx1ScottK, PM?08:39
ScottKIf it's quick08:39
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xxxxx1someone is available to sponsor my ecryptfs-utils update?08:48
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bddebianxxxxx1: Where is it?08:56
xxxxx1is on bzr branch08:57
xxxxx1https://code.launchpad.net/~xxxxx1/+junk/ecryptfs-utils08:57
bddebianegads08:57
bddebianwhy? :)08:57
xxxxx1i manage my packages on bzr08:57
xxxxx1:P08:57
bddebianJust so wrong08:58
broonie+junk, huh?08:58
xxxxx1oh, +junk is used because it's not a ubuntu branch08:58
xxxxx1it's used for personal branches08:59
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MattJDoes anyone know why the ecplipse-cdt pulls in so many dependencies?09:05
ScottKMattJ: Generally it's because the packager thought they were necessary.09:06
MattJIt doesn't seem right09:06
MattJOk09:06
MattJBut for example it depends on eclipse-pde09:06
MattJhttp://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php09:07
MattJWhich as shown there, is certainly not necessary09:07
ScottKMattJ: I don't know anything about eclipse, so I'm not the one to argue with.09:07
ScottKThat was just a general rule.09:07
MattJWho can I argue with? >:-P09:07
ScottKI'd suggest file a bug against the package.09:07
MattJok09:07
ScottKWith whatever documentation you can muster.09:07
ScottKThere are mistakes in packages, but generally stuff is there for a reason.09:08
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bddebianHmm, I have a patch that applies successfuly but isn't in the binary package..09:12
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xxxxx1jweyrich, what you want here?09:33
xxxxx1hehe09:33
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bddebianAck, what happened to all the comments on ajmitch's site??09:48
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RainCTif you place a .desktop file in the debian/ dir of a CDBS package, will it automatically be handled by it?10:28
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bddebianRainCT: Not that I know of10:30
RainCTbddebian: how can I tell it then that there's a desktop file?10:31
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jweyrichxxxxx1 :)10:37
xxxxx1microsoft developer here?10:37
xxxxx1rsrs10:37
jweyrichwhere? give me the gun, faster.10:38
jweyrich;p10:38
bddebianRainCT: Is there a .install file?10:38
Kmosbddebian: bug 132694 - yes!10:40
RainCTbddebian: no10:40
xxxxx1bddebian, we can't delete the bad upload and upload 0ubuntu1 again?10:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please sync ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13269410:41
Kmosxxxxx1: the next upload will kill the last one10:41
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xxxxx1bddebian, because your version brokes my on bzr10:42
bddebianxxxxx1: Unfortunately no, not to the archive10:42
xxxxx1bddebian, ah10:42
bddebianxxxxx1: That's what you get for using bzr10:42
xxxxx1bddebian, i'll update my bzr branch10:42
xxxxx1:)10:42
ScottKKmos: Once again you are trying to answer questions you don't know the answer to and getting it wrong.  Please stop.10:43
xxxxx1bddebian, version 2 only modifies changelog, right?10:44
KmosScottK: isn't it correct?10:44
Kmos[21:42]  <bddebian> xxxxx1: Unfortunately no, not to the archive10:44
ajmitchhi10:44
ScottKHi ajmitch10:44
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bddebianHeya ajmitch10:45
bddebianxxxxx1: Yes and used the correct orig.tar.gz this time10:45
ScottKKmos: What bddebian said is correct.  What you said [16:41]  <Kmos> xxxxx1: the next upload will kill the last one is wrong.10:45
bddebianajmitch: What happened to the comments?10:45
xxxxx1bddebian, just to be sure. I'm doing the change on bzr too ;) thanks.10:45
ajmitchbddebian: the're sleeping10:45
bddebian:-)10:45
ScottKWith the fishes ....10:45
KmosScottK: I think it's the same thing. you can't delete things on the archive, just with a newer upload with modified version that will kill the last one.10:46
ScottKNo.  You can't re-upload the same revision more than once.10:46
ScottKIt'll get rejected.10:46
bddebianxxxxx1: Why put it in bzr at all?  Can't you just overwrite on your next revision?10:46
ScottKYou have to bump the revision number and upload a new version.10:46
KmosScottK: i forgot to say with "new version" :(10:47
ScottKThat's what made your answer wrong.10:47
Kmosyeah10:47
bddebianxxxxx1: Or better yet, stop using bzr ;-P10:47
xxxxx1hehe10:47
xxxxx1take it easy barry10:47
xxxxx1:D10:47
norsettobzr foreever!10:48
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ScottKThat's how long it takes, yes.10:48
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bddebianScottK: hehe10:48
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xxxxx1heh10:48
ScottKWhat's the only thing slower than launchpad, bzr + launchpad.10:49
jweyrichtsc.10:50
ajmitch+ internet connectivity in NZ10:50
bddebianheh10:51
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jweyricha more accurate answer, dialup+bzr+launchpad10:51
xxxxx1norsetto, you're maintain packages on bzr too?10:51
xxxxx1oups10:51
ScottKHah.  Yeah. I'd guess that.10:51
ajmitchdsl in NZ is mostly equivalent to dialup anyway10:51
xxxxx1norsetto, you maintain packages on bzr too?10:51
norsettono, I just like to side with the minority ;-)10:51
jweyrichhahah, ajmitch, sorry for my laughs, but brazil can be compared to dialup as well.10:52
bddebianWho's the minority?  I think only ScottK and I are the bzr haters10:52
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ScottKWe are the old and bitter ones.10:53
bddebianheh10:53
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bddebianOK I'm starting to get tired of syncs/merges..10:53
bddebianpygi: I'm not faulting bzr per-se, I just think its stupid for packaging.  Upstream development "maybe" but for packaging, pfft10:54
ScottKbddebian: Where a vcs works is where you have a team that agrees to use it for team maintenance and maintains all debian dirs in the vcs.  The Debaian Python Modules Team uses svn for this and it works really well.10:55
ScottKUs non-DD's upload our stuff to the svn and ping a DD via IRC or e-mail, they look at it and upload it.10:56
ScottKThe Debian Perl team operates similarly.10:56
ScottKI don't think there's any way it would scale to something like Universe though.10:56
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ScottKpygi hasn't sat and waited for several minuts on my laptop waiting for svn up to even figure out it needs a password for the ~120 dirs I've got checked out of the DPMT svn.11:01
ScottKminuts/minutes11:01
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ajmitchssh-agent helps a lot there11:04
ScottKTrue, but I do all the packaging work on my developmental laptop hard drive (i.e. the one currently running Gutsy) so in the interest of I'm more likely than usualy to get crashes, I don't store any passwords on that install.11:06
ScottKWhat with automatic crash reporting and all...11:06
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xxxxx1bye ubunteros and ubunteras11:12
RainCTbye xxxxx111:12
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hroo772so i think i screwed up my pbuilder envoriment, i was hoping to start a fresh base.tar.gz, so all i did was sudo pbuilder create11:16
hroo772but now when trying to compile wine i have this error11:16
hroo772error: C compiler cannot create executables11:16
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jweyrichdirectory permissions?11:29
jweyrichdamn connection.11:29
jweyrichhroo772 solved the gcc issue?11:30
ScottKbddebian: Still around?11:30
bddebianSorta, what's up?11:30
ScottKTrying to figure out why you requested Bug #13260411:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132604 in python-biopython "[Sync Request Universe]  python-biopython 1.43-2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13260411:30
hroo772jweyrich: well im figuring its not the permissions, its more an issue with how im trying to build the package11:30
bddebianScottK: Because it was on ajmitch's list11:31
ScottKOK.  It's a rebuild for Python2.5 in Debian.11:31
jweyrichhroo772, try to compile a simple C program, like a hello world, and use -v flag for gcc, gcc -v hello.c11:31
hroo772jweyrich: well my test was between wine .42 and wine .4311:31
ScottKIt's not going to hurt to do it, but it won't change anything as we've already built it for Python 2.511:31
hroo772jweyrich: when i was compiling .42 i had it set with --enable-win64, which isn't really supported with wine so the compile fails part way through11:32
hroo772jweyrich: when i took out that option for .43 it stopped with that gcc error, since now it should be trying to compile as 32bit, which im thinking it can't see the 32bit gcc properly11:33
jweyrichhroo772 did you update the libc ?11:33
jweyrichhm11:33
jweyrichright, let me research a bit11:33
hroo772jweyrich: or possibly the ia32 libs, but to help with that, i logged into my pbuilder and installed the ia32-libs and libc6-dev-i38611:34
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jweyrichis your computer/pc/whatever arch x86_64 ?11:35
bddebianScottK: Aye, just trying to clean up his list ;-)11:35
hroo772jweyrich: yea its amd6411:35
jweyrichhrii772: and which gcc version?11:36
hroo772in pbuilder or just on my machine?11:36
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hroo772jweyrich: i mean based on my updating it to the latest i could, it whatever is newest on launchpad11:37
jweyrichoh, okay11:38
bddebianwhat the heck is this thing trying to do??11:39
bddebian  $(INSTALL) -p -m755 debian/postinst debian/preinst \11:39
bddebian      debian/prerm debian/postrm        debian/tmp/DEBIAN11:39
hroo772jweyrich: im just thinking i havn't set something correct in the debian/rules, to tell it to compile for amd64 but compile against the ia32 libs since wine is only 32bit for now11:40
bddebianIs that trying to put postinst, preinst, and postrm in debian/tmp/DEBIAN??11:40
ajmitchbddebian: yes11:40
bddebianWRONG... :-)11:40
jweyrichhroo772 just a second.11:40
ajmitchbddebian: I would presume that's the intent, at least11:40
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jweyrichhroo772: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-08d4087d863019523214064680fcf26721c9a1af11:41
jweyrichhave you read it?11:41
hroo772jweyrich: i actually already had the page open, im waiting on the current test compile to see if adding the ldflags and confflags will let it compile11:42
hroo772jweyrich: well it just errored the same, i could send you the rules file or whatever to look at since thats the only place that would need to change11:43
hroo772jweyrich: i know it just has to do with whats in this section11:44
hroo772ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), amd64)11:44
hroo772        LDFLAGS="-L/lib32 -L/usr/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib32"11:44
hroo772        CONFFLAGS += ICU_LIB_DIR=/usr/lib3211:44
hroo772endif11:44
hroo772jweyrich: in this section before it only had CONFFLAGS += --enable-win64 which should not be there11:45
ajmitchyay for sensational "reporting" on slashdot11:45
bddebianGrrrrr11:46
bddebianfakeroot chown -R root.root debian/tmp-src11:46
bddebianfakeroot: FAKEROOTKEY set to 191036320711:46
bddebianfakeroot: nested operation not yet supported11:46
jweyrichright hroo772, the ./configure shown some error?11:47
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hroo772jweyrich: well im building with pbuilder so i get the output like i should, but it says it saved a .log file, but im not sure how to get to that after a build fails in pbuilder11:50
bddebianOh, maybe it's this line that fails??   dpkg --build $(TMPSRC) ..11:51
hroo772bddebian: were you talking about my build issue?11:52
bddebianhroo772: No, I have my own, sorry :-)11:52
hroo772its all good11:52
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jweyrichsorry, I was busy.11:58
mok0ScottK: I soon have updates to kssh. I am sorry I missed the failed build, I was in a rush this afternoon :-(12:01
jweyrichhroo772, I gotta go, needs to homologate an app in 30 mins. sorry for not helping too much, I'll be back later, then I can make a complete review with youy.12:03
jweyrichyou*12:03
hroo772jweyrich: ill be leaving work also, ill be back on the channel around 7pm EST12:03
jweyrichlet me know if you solve the issue.12:03
jweyrich7pm here, probably I come back @ 11pm.12:04
jweyrichif nothing goes wrong :) see you.12:05
jweyrichbbl guys.12:05
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