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| === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Aug 6 19:26:44 2007 | ||
| superm1 | cornell, do you hae alpha 3 | 06:22 |
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| superm1 | ? | 06:22 |
| superm1 | or earlier | 06:22 |
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| Cornell-w | I had a machine running knoppmyth and the /myth directory was a two disk lvm. I'm installing mythbuntu in the / partition. I've installed it and left off with the beginning of the myth-setup. During the install, it failed to get the nvidia driver. So I'll need to get the driver myself, and I still don't know what I'll need to do about the lvm vg. Should I continue the setup; or cancel out now, get the driver, check on or set up | 01:08 |
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| DaveMorris | Cornell-w: Did you want to keep your recording from knoppmyth? | 01:50 |
| Cornell-w | Hopefully, DaveMorris. They are mostly expendable, TV shows, but it would be nice to keep them. | 01:58 |
| DaveMorris | did you keep the records from the mysql database? | 01:58 |
| Cornell-w | I did a mysqldump all databases and scp'd the result to another machine | 01:58 |
| DaveMorris | that makes it easier then :) | 01:59 |
| Cornell-w | Quite ;-) | 01:59 |
| DaveMorris | I'm not sure if it'll work, but I'd be tempted to import that database dump into mysql | 01:59 |
| DaveMorris | no harm in trying | 01:59 |
| Cornell-w | If I can "hookup" the existing vg without losing/recreating it. I've been trying to figure that part out for about two weeks (as long as my knoppmyth's been dead) | 01:59 |
| DaveMorris | you can hook up the vg I've done it before, (not with mythtv though) | 02:00 |
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| Cornell-w | Yup, no harm in trying, worst case, delete'm all and start fresh... but... knoppmyth uses /myth for the recordings, apparently mythbuntu uses /var/lib/myth, will it be necessary to change data in the database? | 02:01 |
| Cornell-w | Please, Please, Please, DaveMorris, tell me how, or point me to a good page, I've been looking for weeks :-( | 02:01 |
| DaveMorris | nah | 02:01 |
| DaveMorris | sorry, that was meant to be nah, just symlink from /myth to /var/lib/myth | 02:03 |
| Cornell-w | I've googled, asked in #ubuntu, #lvm, a local lug, nada... almost nada, one guy said no problem, it'll be recognized. (is suspicious, that's too easy ;-) ) | 02:03 |
| Cornell-w | Of course... don't change the data, change the directory... hard link or soft? | 02:03 |
| DaveMorris | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Recovering_RAID_and_LVM (skip the bit about raid) | 02:03 |
| === Cornell-w is not a total linux newbie, but nowhere near expert | ||
| DaveMorris | remember you need to install the lvm2 package though | 02:04 |
| DaveMorris | btw you won't damage the data on the disks as your not writing for them with those commands | 02:05 |
| Cornell-w | vgscan; vgchange? That's it? | 02:05 |
| Cornell-w | Yup, install nvidia-glx and lvm2 and openssh | 02:06 |
| DaveMorris | by the look of things (I recoverd my lvm back when I was on gentoo, hence why I've pointed you to that one) | 02:06 |
| Cornell-w | I don't suppose you'll be on tomorrow evening (it's now 0809 where I'm at) that's the next time I'll be able to spend much time on this. | 02:07 |
| Cornell-w | You've been very helpful, and I don't want to lose you ;-) | 02:07 |
| DaveMorris | I'm in the UK | 02:07 |
| DaveMorris | but I'm here quite often, or poke superm1 he is states side | 02:07 |
| Cornell-w | So it's...1300 there? | 02:07 |
| DaveMorris | yeah | 02:08 |
| DaveMorris | I'm busy tomorrow evening, but I'm normally logged on whilst I'm at work | 02:08 |
| Cornell-w | Oh, and I've installed with the livecd and am just beginning the setup. Shall I punch out, do the apt-gets, vgscan, vgchange, and then restart the setup (myth-setup command? ) ? What do you think? | 02:09 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, I'd punch out | 02:09 |
| DaveMorris | it can always be launched again easily | 02:09 |
| Cornell-w | Cool, thanks | 02:10 |
| Cornell-w | The launch command is myth-setup? | 02:11 |
| === Cornell-w is wondering how much different mythbuntu is from knoppmyth ;-) | ||
| DaveMorris | I think so | 02:13 |
| DaveMorris | the main parts of mythtv are fine | 02:13 |
| DaveMorris | s/fine/same | 02:14 |
| Cornell-w | Cool | 02:15 |
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| tgm4883 | im guessing superm1 isn't around? | 06:04 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Aug 6 19:26:44 2007 | ||
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| laga | have i already bitched about mythbuntu.org being down today? | 08:36 |
| superm1 | not yet. | 08:42 |
| laga | k | 08:43 |
| tgm4883 | dont worry laga, theres still time to do that | 08:43 |
| === laga builds a gutsy VM for development instead | ||
| === laga bitches about gutsy not working well with virtualbox' guest additions | ||
| superm1 | it doesnt? | 08:55 |
| laga | ah, i broke something else | 08:56 |
| superm1 | that is something else i wanted to add to the list of things to investigate, feasibility of having guest additions at boot up | 08:57 |
| superm1 | for those wanting to run it in a VM | 08:57 |
| superm1 | off the 'live disk' | 08:57 |
| laga | would be nifty | 09:02 |
| laga | it srtarted working again, yay | 09:02 |
| superm1 | wow. using the python-apt library is sooo much faster then os.system("dpkg-query ........... | 09:04 |
| laga | i like speed improvements | 09:04 |
| superm1 | i was previously planning on putting a dialog, "Querying system settings" | 09:05 |
| superm1 | because it took so freaking long | 09:05 |
| superm1 | now i blink and its done | 09:05 |
| laga | seems like the vbox video driver doesn't work | 09:10 |
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| laga | superm1: i got bitten by this ticket: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/402 | 09:23 |
| laga | well, by the problem hiding behind it | 09:23 |
| laga | seems to be working now | 09:23 |
| superm1 | whew yuck | 09:24 |
| laga | the xinerama stuff probably fixed it | 09:24 |
| laga | running a gutsy VM at 1280x960 now. should be enough to get some work done | 09:24 |
| superm1 | i'm trying to debate if i should just not include the "remote network shares" tab | 09:25 |
| superm1 | because that i'm thinking will be a bit of an annoyance to properly do | 09:25 |
| laga | the don't do it | 09:25 |
| superm1 | because things can be mounted sooo many different ways | 09:25 |
| laga | i was wondering if we should backport stuff to mythbuntu gutsy once it's out or if we just concentrate on development then | 09:26 |
| laga | heh | 09:26 |
| laga | leave it out then | 09:26 |
| superm1 | well the control centre i want in gutsy for sure | 09:26 |
| laga | or replace it with a RTFM button | 09:26 |
| laga | yes | 09:26 |
| superm1 | because people can then do mythbuntu conversions | 09:26 |
| superm1 | haha | 09:27 |
| superm1 | http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotmythbuntucontzg9.png | 09:27 |
| superm1 | see the thing is that the left side fits so nice with it included | 09:27 |
| laga | you sound like my GF. | 09:29 |
| superm1 | haha | 09:29 |
| superm1 | but it does! | 09:29 |
| laga | seriously, if you're concerned about that, YOU implement it ;) | 09:29 |
| superm1 | lol | 09:29 |
| superm1 | good call | 09:29 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: what are we gonna do about getting the site up and running again? | 09:41 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, well if imbrandon ever comes around then via him, otherwise i've got a bug opened with canonical to host us there | 09:42 |
| superm1 | but since the loco team mess, it will still be a bit until we could even get in on the canonical boxes | 09:42 |
| laga | what loco team mess? | 09:42 |
| superm1 | a grouping of loco team servers was compromised | 09:44 |
| superm1 | they weren't regularly updated, and someone used a flaw in an old revision of drupal | 09:44 |
| superm1 | that's the same reason revu is down | 09:44 |
| superm1 | it was in the same set of boxes | 09:44 |
| laga | great | 09:44 |
| superm1 | all in all there has been a lot of servers that have gone down | 09:46 |
| superm1 | between that, wiki.ubuntu.com, us, ubuntu studio, and launchpad two weekends ago | 09:46 |
| jams | if it helps I can host a page saying "we are working on it..or something of that nature" | 09:46 |
| laga | jams: only if it's lolcat | 09:46 |
| laga | everyone loves lolcats | 09:46 |
| jams | hehe | 09:46 |
| superm1 | i dont even know who has control of where the DNS points mythbuntu.org at this point | 09:47 |
| superm1 | if its imbrandon or what not | 09:47 |
| jams | ah i assumed you had control over that | 09:47 |
| superm1 | well i didn't purchase the domain, someone else did, and he worked with imbrandon to get the site set up on imbrandon's box | 09:48 |
| superm1 | if i had control, i would have gotten something to that extent up somewhere by now | 09:50 |
| laga | Registrant Name:Ben Dailey | 09:51 |
| laga | who's that guy? i think i've seen his name before | 09:52 |
| superm1 | yea i haven't seen him in the channel since the site went live | 09:53 |
| superm1 | remember way back when, when we were trying to figure out what his affiliation with purchasing mythbuntu.org before us was? | 09:53 |
| laga | uh | 09:53 |
| superm1 | some guy in indiana that had a similar idea for the project | 09:53 |
| superm1 | but never got started with it | 09:53 |
| laga | drinking age is 16 here, you know... | 09:53 |
| superm1 | ? | 09:55 |
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| superm1 | was that intended for this channel? | 09:55 |
| superm1 | haha of course i can DaveMorris | 09:55 |
| DaveMorris | you guys on facebook? | 09:55 |
| superm1 | ya | 09:55 |
| DaveMorris | my g/f said mine's boring as I've inlcuded my blog on it and I don't do any of those anyoying games | 09:56 |
| superm1 | yea i dont like pages that are overly filled with stuff | 09:57 |
| superm1 | i have a picture of a bunny on mine and a few basic things | 09:57 |
| laga | superm1: i was trying to say that my memory is not that great ;) | 10:02 |
| laga | (joking, of course) | 10:03 |
| superm1 | haha i see | 10:03 |
| laga | a bunny? a bunny with a pancake? | 10:03 |
| superm1 | nope, its just a picture of a bunny that is generated from a list of random bunnies | 10:04 |
| laga | sad :( | 10:04 |
| superm1 | girls look at the page and are like, oh look a cute bunny. | 10:05 |
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| superm1 | DaveMorris, jono is on there too | 10:08 |
| DaveMorris | would be cool if you can have an app which puts on your mini-feed what you've finshed watching on mythtv | 10:16 |
| superm1 | haha | 10:16 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, there you go for gutsy +1 :) | 10:17 |
| === laga never understood digital exhibitionism | ||
| DaveMorris | there is a TV app thing, but you should have it auto update | 10:17 |
| DaveMorris | I'd only want it to display the recordings I watch, not live tv though | 10:17 |
| laga | <- gone. cya tomorrow | 10:19 |
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| superm1 | cya laga | 10:21 |
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| cornell | uh-oh... can't seem to restart after install from the livecd. | 10:35 |
| cornell | I got something asking me to log on, I did the restart opion... now Iam at a blue screen with a yellow flower and a logon, and I hit the option and restart (or shutdown) and the blue screen shows up again. Any ideas? | 10:36 |
| DaveMorris | cornell: you mean the login window? | 10:41 |
| cornell | Well, there's two... after ending the myth, there was one, narrow and tall, and I picked the option to restart. THen I got the blue screen and yellow flower, and it had an option to restart also, I hit the restart, screen goes black, then back to blue with flower. | 10:42 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: any ideas | 10:43 |
| === DaveMorris dosen't restart his | ||
| tgm4883 | blue screen with yellow flower? | 10:43 |
| cornell | yup | 10:43 |
| tgm4883 | sounds like the default gnome login page | 10:43 |
| tgm4883 | this is a mythbuntu setup? | 10:43 |
| cornell | This is the start of a mythbuntu setup | 10:44 |
| tgm4883 | does it look like this http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/images/2-GDM-Theme-Default-Style.png | 10:44 |
| cornell | Or the middle of one, the OS is installed but I didn't do the myth config. Have to install lvm2 and nvidia-glx and then continue with myth-setup. | 10:45 |
| cornell | tgm4883: yes | 10:45 |
| tgm4883 | superm1, any idea how that happened? | 10:46 |
| tgm4883 | mythbuntu doesn't use gnome, so im not sure how that happened | 10:46 |
| tgm4883 | did you install gnome? | 10:46 |
| cornell | Not knowingly | 10:46 |
| tgm4883 | and this is an alpha 3 cd? | 10:46 |
| DaveMorris | or ubuntu-desktop ? | 10:46 |
| tgm4883 | did you apt-get anything? | 10:47 |
| cornell | Although the machine had knopmyth on it, which uses gnome. But that was reformatted with the install | 10:47 |
| cornell | Um... livecd... 7.10-070801 i386 | 10:47 |
| superm1 | well i have a suspect to the cause of it | 10:47 |
| superm1 | what did you select during install? | 10:47 |
| superm1 | what type of install? | 10:47 |
| cornell | No apt-get yet, trying to reboot to do that stuff. | 10:47 |
| superm1 | I mean during ubiquity, what did you select? | 10:48 |
| superm1 | what type of role | 10:48 |
| cornell | Umm... type of install... I hit the install icon on the livecd desktop and mostly took defaults. | 10:48 |
| cornell | Have no clue what ubiquity means. | 10:48 |
| superm1 | ah okay | 10:48 |
| superm1 | did you have network cable hooked up during install? | 10:48 |
| cornell | I've an appointment coming up, gotta go. Yes had Internet connectivity | 10:49 |
| superm1 | okay well we can chat later, i have a suspicion of what happened | 10:49 |
| cornell | Can you offer your suspicion, so I can ponder it... I've got one minute | 10:49 |
| superm1 | well it sounds like it might have installed the version of a package on the ubuntu repository during install in abscense of mythbuntu.org | 10:50 |
| cornell | mmm... interesting... | 10:50 |
| superm1 | you can check for the existance of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm-cddd.conf | 10:50 |
| cornell | Well TTFN, see you'll later | 10:50 |
| superm1 | okay | 10:50 |
| cornell | (I can if I can reboot the dang thing) | 10:51 |
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| Outlier | I have a question about basic setup - is it wise to use RAID or should I stick to LVM ? | 10:53 |
| superm1 | well depends on what you are looking for out of the box? | 10:53 |
| superm1 | and what type of raid setup you'd have | 10:53 |
| Outlier | Probably RAID 5, spread over 6 disks, with the OS in a 7th disk. Some of the disks are IDE, others SATA. | 10:54 |
| superm1 | that being the case, RAID would work much better for you | 10:54 |
| superm1 | LVM if a disk is to die that's the end of the group | 10:54 |
| superm1 | whereas you will have your parity here and be able to pull a disk out safely | 10:55 |
| Outlier | Ah - I had a (mistaken) impression that with LVM, if a disk dies, you just lose capacity and whatever was stored on that disk. | 10:55 |
| superm1 | well if there is a way to recover the rest of the group, i'd love to know :). I've got some stuff lost on an LVM group from last year | 10:56 |
| superm1 | that i haven't formatted the rest of the disks yet | 10:56 |
| Outlier | Well, like I said, I had that impression but am probably wrong there. I hear LVM is very hard to deal with when it goes wrong. My experience with software raid via mdadm is that it's pretty friendly. | 10:58 |
| superm1 | well also do realize that with mythtv 0.21 later this year, there are storage groups | 10:59 |
| superm1 | so you dont need to do raid or lvm to spread recordings across disks | 10:59 |
| DaveMorris | which will be nice :) | 11:00 |
| Outlier | Well - I'll be honest, I'm going for a Linux MCE setup here - so the version of mythtv may be older than that. | 11:00 |
| DaveMorris | the other option is to use a raid card which displays all the disks as one drive | 11:01 |
| Outlier | True, but that's not attractive in my case - some of the drives are SATA, some PATA so software RAID seems like a good idea. | 11:01 |
| Outlier | All in all, I think RAID sounds best - just have to re-do the whole thing to add storage later. | 11:03 |
| DaveMorris | one word of advice though, don't stick you host OS on the raid | 11:03 |
| DaveMorris | since mythtv eats disks due to writing and removing large files all the time | 11:04 |
| Outlier | Thanks | 11:05 |
| DaveMorris | I've got my OS on an old 10GB drive | 11:05 |
| DaveMorris | and a 500GB sata for my storage | 11:05 |
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