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=== Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Aug  6 19:26:44 2007
[06:22] <superm1> cornell, do you hae alpha 3
[06:22] <superm1> ?
[06:22] <superm1> or earlier
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[01:08] <Cornell-w> I had a machine running knoppmyth and the /myth directory was a two disk lvm.  I'm installing mythbuntu in the / partition.  I've installed it and left off with the beginning of the myth-setup.  During the install, it failed to get the nvidia driver.  So I'll need to get the driver myself, and I still don't know what I'll need to do about the lvm vg.  Should I continue the setup; or cancel out now,  get the driver, check on or set up
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[01:50] <DaveMorris> Cornell-w: Did you want to keep your recording from knoppmyth?
[01:58] <Cornell-w> Hopefully, DaveMorris.  They are mostly expendable, TV shows, but it would be nice to keep them.
[01:58] <DaveMorris> did you keep the records from the mysql database?
[01:58] <Cornell-w> I did a mysqldump all databases and scp'd the result to another machine
[01:59] <DaveMorris> that makes it easier then :)
[01:59] <Cornell-w> Quite ;-)
[01:59] <DaveMorris> I'm not sure if it'll work, but I'd be tempted to import that database dump into mysql
[01:59] <DaveMorris> no harm in trying
[01:59] <Cornell-w> If I can "hookup" the existing vg without losing/recreating it.  I've been trying to figure that part out for about two weeks (as long as my knoppmyth's been dead)
[02:00] <DaveMorris> you can hook up the vg I've done it before, (not with mythtv though)
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[02:01] <Cornell-w> Yup, no harm in trying, worst case, delete'm all and start fresh... but... knoppmyth uses /myth for the recordings, apparently mythbuntu uses /var/lib/myth, will it be necessary to change data in the database?
[02:01] <Cornell-w> Please, Please, Please, DaveMorris, tell me how, or point me to a good page, I've been looking for weeks :-(
[02:01] <DaveMorris> nah
[02:03] <DaveMorris> sorry, that was meant to be nah, just symlink from /myth to /var/lib/myth
[02:03] <Cornell-w> I've googled, asked in #ubuntu, #lvm, a local lug, nada...  almost nada, one guy said no problem, it'll be recognized.  (is suspicious, that's too easy ;-) )
[02:03] <Cornell-w> Of course... don't change the data, change the directory... hard link or soft?
[02:03] <DaveMorris> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Recovering_RAID_and_LVM (skip the bit about raid)
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[02:04] <DaveMorris> remember you need to install the lvm2 package though
[02:05] <DaveMorris> btw you won't damage the data on the disks as your not writing for them with those commands
[02:05] <Cornell-w> vgscan; vgchange?  That's it?
[02:06] <Cornell-w> Yup, install nvidia-glx and lvm2 and openssh
[02:06] <DaveMorris> by the look of things (I recoverd my lvm back when I was on gentoo, hence why I've pointed you to that one)
[02:07] <Cornell-w> I don't suppose you'll be on tomorrow evening (it's now 0809 where I'm at) that's the next time I'll be able to spend much time on this.
[02:07] <Cornell-w> You've been very helpful, and I don't want to lose you ;-)
[02:07] <DaveMorris> I'm in the UK
[02:07] <DaveMorris> but I'm here quite often, or poke superm1 he is states side
[02:07] <Cornell-w> So it's...1300 there?
[02:08] <DaveMorris> yeah
[02:08] <DaveMorris> I'm busy tomorrow evening, but I'm normally logged on whilst I'm at work
[02:09] <Cornell-w> Oh, and I've installed with the livecd and am just beginning the setup.  Shall I punch out, do the apt-gets, vgscan, vgchange, and then restart the setup (myth-setup command? ) ?  What do you think?
[02:09] <DaveMorris> yeah, I'd punch out
[02:09] <DaveMorris> it can always be launched again easily
[02:10] <Cornell-w> Cool, thanks
[02:11] <Cornell-w> The launch command is myth-setup?
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[02:13] <DaveMorris> I think so
[02:13] <DaveMorris> the main parts of mythtv are fine
[02:14] <DaveMorris> s/fine/same
[02:15] <Cornell-w> Cool
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[06:04] <tgm4883> im guessing superm1 isn't around?
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[08:36] <laga> have i already bitched about mythbuntu.org being down today?
[08:42] <superm1> not yet.
[08:43] <laga> k
[08:43] <tgm4883> dont worry laga, theres still time to do that
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[08:55] <superm1> it doesnt?
[08:56] <laga> ah, i broke something else
[08:57] <superm1> that is something else i wanted to add to the list of things to investigate, feasibility of having guest additions at boot up
[08:57] <superm1> for those wanting to run it in a VM
[08:57] <superm1> off the 'live disk'
[09:02] <laga> would be nifty
[09:02] <laga> it srtarted working again, yay
[09:04] <superm1> wow.  using the python-apt library is sooo much faster then os.system("dpkg-query ...........
[09:04] <laga> i like speed improvements
[09:05] <superm1> i was previously planning on putting a dialog, "Querying system settings"
[09:05] <superm1> because it took so freaking long
[09:05] <superm1> now i blink and its done
[09:10] <laga> seems like the vbox video driver doesn't work
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[09:23] <laga> superm1: i got bitten by this ticket: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/402
[09:23] <laga> well, by the problem hiding behind it
[09:23] <laga> seems to be working now
[09:24] <superm1> whew yuck
[09:24] <laga> the xinerama stuff probably fixed it
[09:24] <laga> running a gutsy VM at 1280x960 now. should be enough to get some work done
[09:25] <superm1> i'm trying to debate if i should just not include the "remote network shares" tab
[09:25] <superm1> because that i'm thinking will be a bit of an annoyance to properly do
[09:25] <laga> the don't do it
[09:25] <superm1> because things can be mounted sooo many different ways
[09:26] <laga> i was wondering if we should backport stuff to mythbuntu gutsy once it's out or if we just concentrate on development then
[09:26] <laga> heh
[09:26] <laga> leave it out then
[09:26] <superm1> well the control centre i want in gutsy for sure
[09:26] <laga> or replace it with a RTFM button
[09:26] <laga> yes
[09:26] <superm1> because people can then do mythbuntu conversions
[09:27] <superm1> haha
[09:27] <superm1> http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotmythbuntucontzg9.png
[09:27] <superm1> see the thing is that the left side fits so nice with it included
[09:29] <laga> you sound like my GF.
[09:29] <superm1> haha
[09:29] <superm1> but it does!
[09:29] <laga> seriously, if you're concerned about that, YOU implement it ;)
[09:29] <superm1> lol
[09:29] <superm1> good call
[09:41] <DaveMorris> superm1: what are we gonna do about getting the site up and running again?
[09:42] <superm1> DaveMorris, well if imbrandon ever comes around then via him, otherwise i've got a bug opened with canonical to host us there
[09:42] <superm1> but since the loco team mess, it will still be a bit until we could even get in on the canonical boxes
[09:42] <laga> what loco team mess?
[09:44] <superm1> a grouping of loco team servers was compromised
[09:44] <superm1> they weren't regularly updated, and someone used a flaw in an old revision of drupal
[09:44] <superm1> that's the same reason revu is down
[09:44] <superm1> it was in the same set of boxes
[09:44] <laga> great
[09:46] <superm1> all in all there has been a lot of servers that have gone down
[09:46] <superm1> between that, wiki.ubuntu.com, us, ubuntu studio, and launchpad two weekends ago
[09:46] <jams> if it helps I can host a page saying "we are working on it..or something of that nature"
[09:46] <laga> jams: only if it's lolcat
[09:46] <laga> everyone loves lolcats
[09:46] <jams> hehe
[09:47] <superm1> i dont even know who has control of where the DNS points mythbuntu.org at this point
[09:47] <superm1> if its imbrandon or what not
[09:47] <jams> ah i assumed you had control over that
[09:48] <superm1> well i didn't purchase the domain, someone else did, and he worked with imbrandon to get the site set up on imbrandon's box
[09:50] <superm1> if i had control, i would have gotten something to that extent up somewhere by now
[09:51] <laga> Registrant Name:Ben Dailey
[09:52] <laga> who's that guy? i think i've seen his name before
[09:53] <superm1> yea i haven't seen him in the channel since the site went live
[09:53] <superm1> remember way back when, when we were trying to figure out what his affiliation with purchasing mythbuntu.org before us was?
[09:53] <laga> uh
[09:53] <superm1> some guy in indiana that had a similar idea for the project
[09:53] <superm1> but never got started with it
[09:53] <laga> drinking age is 16 here, you know...
[09:55] <superm1> ?
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[09:55] <superm1> was that intended for this channel?
[09:55] <superm1> haha of course i can DaveMorris
[09:55] <DaveMorris> you guys on facebook?
[09:55] <superm1> ya
[09:56] <DaveMorris> my g/f said mine's boring as I've inlcuded my blog on it and I don't do any of those anyoying games
[09:57] <superm1> yea i dont like pages that are overly filled with stuff
[09:57] <superm1> i have a picture of a bunny on mine and a few basic things
[10:02] <laga> superm1: i was trying to say that my memory is not that great ;)
[10:03] <laga> (joking, of course)
[10:03] <superm1> haha i see
[10:03] <laga> a bunny? a bunny with a pancake?
[10:04] <superm1> nope, its just a picture of a bunny that is generated from a list of random bunnies
[10:04] <laga> sad :(
[10:05] <superm1> girls look at the page and are like, oh look a cute bunny.
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[10:08] <superm1> DaveMorris, jono is on there too
[10:16] <DaveMorris> would be cool if you can have an app which puts on your mini-feed what you've finshed watching on mythtv
[10:16] <superm1> haha
[10:17] <superm1> DaveMorris, there you go for gutsy +1 :)
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[10:17] <DaveMorris> there is a TV app thing, but you should have it auto update
[10:17] <DaveMorris> I'd only want it to display the recordings I watch, not live tv though
[10:19] <laga> <- gone. cya tomorrow
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[10:21] <superm1> cya laga
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[10:35] <cornell> uh-oh... can't seem to restart after  install from the livecd.
[10:36] <cornell> I got something asking me to log on, I did the restart opion... now Iam at a blue screen with a yellow flower and a logon, and I hit the option and restart (or shutdown) and the blue screen shows up again.  Any ideas?
[10:41] <DaveMorris> cornell: you mean the login window?
[10:42] <cornell> Well, there's two... after ending the myth, there was one, narrow and tall, and I picked the option to restart.  THen I got the blue screen and yellow flower, and it had an option to restart also, I hit the restart, screen goes black, then back to blue with flower.
[10:43] <DaveMorris> superm1: any ideas
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[10:43] <tgm4883> blue screen with yellow flower?
[10:43] <cornell> yup
[10:43] <tgm4883> sounds like the default gnome login page
[10:43] <tgm4883> this is a mythbuntu setup?
[10:44] <cornell> This is the start of a mythbuntu setup
[10:44] <tgm4883> does it look like this http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/images/2-GDM-Theme-Default-Style.png
[10:45] <cornell> Or the middle of one, the OS is installed but I didn't do the myth config.  Have to install lvm2 and nvidia-glx and then continue with myth-setup.
[10:45] <cornell> tgm4883: yes
[10:46] <tgm4883> superm1, any idea how that happened?
[10:46] <tgm4883> mythbuntu doesn't use gnome, so im not sure how that happened
[10:46] <tgm4883> did you install gnome?
[10:46] <cornell> Not knowingly
[10:46] <tgm4883> and this is an alpha 3 cd?
[10:46] <DaveMorris> or ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:47] <tgm4883> did you apt-get anything?
[10:47] <cornell> Although the machine had knopmyth on it, which uses gnome.  But that was reformatted with the install
[10:47] <cornell> Um... livecd... 7.10-070801 i386
[10:47] <superm1> well i have a suspect to the cause of it
[10:47] <superm1> what did you select during install?
[10:47] <superm1> what type of install?
[10:47] <cornell> No apt-get yet, trying to reboot to do that stuff.
[10:48] <superm1> I mean during ubiquity, what did you select?
[10:48] <superm1> what type of role
[10:48] <cornell> Umm... type of install... I hit the install icon on the livecd desktop and mostly took defaults.
[10:48] <cornell> Have no clue what ubiquity means.
[10:48] <superm1> ah okay
[10:48] <superm1> did you have network cable hooked up during install?
[10:49] <cornell> I've an appointment coming up, gotta go.  Yes had Internet connectivity
[10:49] <superm1> okay well we can chat later, i have a suspicion of what happened
[10:49] <cornell> Can you offer your suspicion, so I can ponder it... I've got one minute
[10:50] <superm1> well it sounds like it might have installed the version of a package on the ubuntu repository during install in abscense of mythbuntu.org
[10:50] <cornell> mmm... interesting...
[10:50] <superm1> you can check for the existance of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm-cddd.conf
[10:50] <cornell> Well TTFN, see you'll later
[10:50] <superm1> okay
[10:51] <cornell> (I can if I can reboot the dang thing)
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[10:53] <Outlier> I have a question about basic setup - is it wise to use RAID or should I stick to LVM ?
[10:53] <superm1> well depends on what you are looking for out of the box?
[10:53] <superm1> and what type of raid setup you'd have
[10:54] <Outlier> Probably RAID 5, spread over 6 disks, with the OS in a 7th disk.  Some of the disks are IDE, others SATA.
[10:54] <superm1> that being the case, RAID would work much better for you
[10:54] <superm1> LVM if a disk is to die that's the end of the group
[10:55] <superm1> whereas you will have your parity here and be able to pull a disk out safely
[10:55] <Outlier> Ah - I had a (mistaken) impression that with LVM, if a disk dies, you just lose capacity and whatever was stored on that disk.
[10:56] <superm1> well if there is a way to recover the rest of the group, i'd love to know :).  I've got some stuff lost on an LVM group from last year
[10:56] <superm1> that i haven't formatted the rest of the disks yet
[10:58] <Outlier> Well, like I said, I had that impression but am probably wrong there.  I hear LVM is very hard to deal with when it goes wrong.  My experience with software raid via mdadm is that it's pretty friendly.
[10:59] <superm1> well also do realize that with mythtv 0.21 later this year, there are storage groups
[10:59] <superm1> so you dont need to do raid or lvm to spread recordings across disks
[11:00] <DaveMorris> which will be nice :)
[11:00] <Outlier> Well - I'll be honest, I'm going for a Linux MCE setup here - so the version of mythtv may be older than that.
[11:01] <DaveMorris> the other option is to use a raid card which displays all the disks as one drive
[11:01] <Outlier> True, but that's not attractive in my case - some of the drives are SATA, some PATA so software RAID seems like a good idea.
[11:03] <Outlier> All in all, I think RAID sounds best - just have to re-do the whole thing to add storage later.
[11:03] <DaveMorris> one word of advice though, don't stick you host OS on the raid
[11:04] <DaveMorris> since mythtv eats disks due to writing and removing large files all the time
[11:05] <Outlier> Thanks
[11:05] <DaveMorris> I've got my OS on an old 10GB drive
[11:05] <DaveMorris> and a 500GB sata for my storage