[12:14] asac: about to test gutsy wpasupplicant to see if it is ok === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] stgraber: do you have i386 or amd? === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [12:25] asac: Core2Duo, so I can run both, but running amd64 currently === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:25] ok you feel scared enough to try a modules build? [12:25] or brave ;) [12:26] ipw3945 seems funny to buld as it requires some extra thing like ieee80211 (I tried to quickly build it 10 minutes ago :)) === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] stgraber: so whatelse is needed? [12:27] did you try to build a -modules package? [12:27] i mean did it fail to build or did you run in troubles using the module? [12:28] I just had problem manually building it (no package, just grab the code and typed "make") [12:28] stgraber: the most current gutsy package with replaced ipw source appears to build for me [12:28] do you want that package? [12:29] looking too close at the problem makes it go away :\ [12:29] its working at the moment on the gutsy cd again [12:29] i'm going to reboot it and see how it goes a second time [12:29] calc: you sure it was not fixed? [12:29] asac: well it did fail when i tried it before on tribe-4 cd via network manager directly [12:30] i have managed to get it to repeatedly fail at the ifup level the first time it tries to connect to the wpa2 network [12:30] asac: I can build it and test on my linux-with-broken-suspend-to-ram-2.6.22-9 :) [12:30] but it works everytime for the open network [12:30] at ifup level [12:30] need to see if it repeatedly works at the nm level [12:30] stgraber: ok thanks ... just replace the three source files [12:30] of course something similar happened for tribe-3 when it starts working it generally keeps working for that boot session [12:31] i'll do some more tests and report back to you [12:31] ok [12:31] yeah, pbuilder finished build swfdec 0.5.1 on Gutsy :) [12:31] nice [12:32] does it ship flashplugin-alternative ? [12:32] yep, my father will be happy once I'll have backported it to feisty PPC [12:32] I don't think so [12:32] let me check [12:35] asac: no it doesn't [12:35] hmm ... ok [12:35] is that ment to be uploaded? [12:35] I just took the packaging of the 0.4 version we currently have in Gutsy and tweaked the packaging a bit to have it working on Gutsy [12:36] not really, even if it'd be something interesting as 0.5 adds Youtube support === kagou [n=kagou@77.194.195.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] I'm doing it for my father who's a PPC user and then can't have the plugin wrapper [12:39] oh, it works really fine with video !!! [12:44] asac: ok NM is crap [12:44] asac: so far it looks like wpasupplicant with ifup works though [12:45] asac: NM in tribe-4 can't even see my broadcast ssid for the wpa network [12:45] asac: or at least it only sometimes displays it [12:45] asac: i think earlier it was showing up for NM [12:45] asac: regardless NM can't connect to the open ap either [12:46] asac: i'm not sure how NM can screw that up since it uses wpa to do the connection (i think?) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] asac: i think i may have found something actually useful [12:57] asac: doing some final narrowing down and verifying the failure is 100% reproducible on my box [12:57] asac: right now it is looking like wpa-group/wpa-pairwise (not sure if both) are required to connect properly [12:58] asac: to connect to a wpa network i mean to say === rnorwood_ [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-8fd9eb0de3170e61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-186-56.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] stgraber: what are you looking for your ppc? [01:04] stgraber: if your looking for a(better) flash support, iirc, gnsh support youtube video in gutsy (and has been backported to feisty) [01:05] Unfortunately it doesnt seem to be able to keep the video and the audio in sync. [01:05] :| [01:06] i'm ppc user, and i use donwloadvideo firefox extension + mplayer + ppc-codecs [01:06] works fine [01:06] not very userfriendly, but efficient [01:07] calc: what do you mean by < calc> asac: right now it is looking like wpa-group/wpa-pairwise (not sure if both) are required to connect properly [01:07] required by whom? [01:16] asac: required by wpasupplicant, but then it just started working without them, its a pita to debug [01:16] asac: now its working completely right [01:17] but still not working at all under NM [01:17] calc: wpa or unencrypted? [01:17] ah ok [01:17] wpasupplicant seems to be working for both via ifup [01:17] but occasionally it can't connect, so i'm trying to determine why that happens [01:17] i got it to do a string of failures on the wpa via ifup earlier [01:18] then i added wpa-group/pairwise and it connected so i thought that helped [01:18] calc: do you get errors like "cannot connect to wpasupplicant" in syslog/daemon.log [01:18] ? [01:18] asac: when using NM or with ifup? [01:18] btw NM can't see my wpa network at all most of the time at least on tribe-4 [01:18] NM [01:18] i don't recall seeing that but i can look at it again === libervisco [n=daniel@tuxhacker/libervisco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] welll if it cannot connect to wpasupplicant it is blind .. yes. [01:19] its not the exact error message [01:19] NM can see my open network but not the wpa one [01:19] search for something related [01:19] ok i'll test that along with a couple other things and get back to you [01:19] fine === phoenixx [n=phoenix@189.5.194.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich [01:22] asac, there is a typo in n-m. "Caught terminiation signal" [01:23] xhaker: lol === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] asac: if i connect via ifup then shut down the interface and connect via NM it works [01:29] asac: also it seems NM can sometimes see the wpa network, not sure if it just takes longer to see it or what [01:30] asac: bug 132431 [01:30] Launchpad bug 132431 in flashplugin-nonfree "package flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu8 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132431 [01:30] asac: but yes NM is connecting to wpa properly even when it doesn't work [01:30] calc: what does that mean? [01:30] "even when it doesn't work" [01:30] ? [01:31] Kmos: he probably had a bad revision [01:32] before and the rescue measures crimsun tried didn't work out? [01:32] Kmos: oh syntax error [01:34] :) [01:35] Kmos: log reveals it was upgrade ubuntu4->5 which broke for him [01:35] not ubuntu8 [01:36] and 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu5 [01:36] so it's fix [01:36] fixed [01:36] i hope [01:37] the problem is that i run apport after one or two days later [01:37] and it got the current version installed [01:37] and not the one that crashed [01:37] but in the log we can see it [01:38] no idea ... lets keep our eyes open if we receive more reports ... [01:39] after i've got upgrade to 8, it installs fine [01:39] so it happens in -5 === martink [n=martin@84-75-131-205.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] asac: still here? [01:54] asac: found something even more odd out about the situation [01:56] asac: it connects to the open ap as soon as it boots apparently, NM doesn't realize it, if I then try to connect to the network via NM it doesn't work loses the ip address and will not connect via NM to it again [01:56] asac: at least after several attempts anyway [01:57] i'm not sure if that is the reason it only sees the open ap since it was already connected to it before NM came up (maybe?) [01:57] probably [01:57] but it doesn't see the wpa one during this test [01:57] i guess your nm has issues to connect to wpasupplicant [01:58] i tried removing the auto line for the wireless in /etc/network/interfaces but that apparently disables wireless for NM also [01:58] you never denied nor confirmed that [01:58] please do so [01:58] asac: er yea i did [01:58] asac: i looked in the log and there were no obvious error messages [01:58] asac: and there were responses from wpa in the log [01:59] 18:29 < calc> asac: but yes NM is connecting to wpa properly even when it doesn't work [01:59] 18:30 < asac> calc: what does that mean? [01:59] 18:30 < asac> "even when it doesn't work" [01:59] sorry didn't notice that question [01:59] i meant it connects to the wpasupplicant even when it doesn't get an address [01:59] and never fully connects [01:59] er to the network [01:59] so it connects to wpasupplicant but can't connect to the network [02:00] if i try connecting with wpasupplicant via ifup it seems to work most of the time and then starting NM back up and switching back and forth seems to work [02:00] what kind of responses do you see from wpasupp? [02:00] this is all very flakey still though [02:00] you can connect with wpa_cli while nm is working [02:00] normal stuff like "OK" etc [02:00] try what scan_results give you in wpa_cli shell [02:00] ok [02:01] i'll bring the laptop in here, not much room but its easier to test in here by my desktop [02:03] asac: i get the 00's timed out message like before [02:04] it looks like its running dhclient even while still timing out [02:04] in wpasupplicant [02:05] so it finally fully timed out and died [02:05] now going to test with ifup [02:07] ok ifup worked [02:07] then i shut the interface back down [02:07] then connected via NM === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] it shows connected but forgot to run dhclient [02:07] show it shows the signal bar, etc likes its good to go but with no ip at all [02:07] and it still doesn't show the wpa network (calc) [02:08] if i later run ifup eth1 (without the wpa entries in interface) it gets the ip address [02:09] i proceeded to turn off NM via the applet then back on [02:09] and now it doesn't see any networks at all [02:09] ah the open one "vinther" showed back up [02:09] shows connected again but without trying to get a dhcp address [02:09] so it has none, but the signal bar shows like it is connected [02:11] doing things via ifup/ifconfig NM is completely oblivious to [02:12] tried restarting the dhcdbd and then connecting and it still refuses to run dhclient when it connects [02:13] so at this point i can probably run gutsy but without NM disabled since it seems completely broken on my machine === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D837E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] calc: maybe your ap needs a reboot? [02:14] :) [02:14] asac: no, using ifup it works 100% [02:14] asac: i can run ifup eth1 after telling NM to connect and it immediately gets an address [02:14] and ifup is configured to use supplicant? [02:14] NM doesn't even attempt to run dhclient [02:15] asac: no even without it set to use supplicant [02:15] asac: NM connects but doesn't run dhclient [02:15] what do you mean by "it connects" ? [02:15] so its already connected at that point and ifup just runs dhclient on the connection [02:15] associate? [02:15] yea it is associated === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] do you see that associate event in syslog? [02:16] it seems NM is just a pile of crap at least from what i have seen while testing it today, no offense intended to you [02:16] well .. nm has to deal with all kind of stuff [02:17] if unexpected things happen it might get confused [02:17] asac: not sure if what i am seeing is the association or not [02:17] says something like this: [02:17] NetworkManager: Activation (eth1) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. [02:18] then nothign else [02:18] i ran ifup eth1 and got an ip [02:18] i don't see any stages past 2 of 5 === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj uploads. Bedtime. [02:19] Goodnight all. [02:19] night iwj [02:19] asac: after restarting NM it doesn't associate any more [02:19] me too [02:20] Hopefully I won't be too late getting up as a result of this session ... === chrisle [n=chris@e178122004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbraley [n=rbraley@ip70-162-94-23.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] use case: Ryan has an ubuntu livecd and wants to install it for a friend who wants software raid and an easy graphical installer. He does not want to have to download an alternate cd and waste a disk. === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisle [n=chris@e178122004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] calc: sorry bedtime for me as well ... hopefully i can look into these ipw3xxx issues more closely next week again === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:42] asac, don't forget the typo [02:42] ;) === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === libervisco [n=daniel@tuxhacker/libervisco] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === summer_s4 [n=chatzill@c-75-72-109-246.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] how do i join? === justinwray [n=justinwr@pool-71-248-27-207.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] cjwatson, already back? [02:54] summer_s4: join what? [02:54] nvm [02:57] asac: ok, it appears the ipw3945 issues may reside inside network manager === wrayjustin [n=justinwr@pool-71-248-27-207.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vincechen [n=vince419@61.146.1.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-33a99fcb9cf622e1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@84-75-131-205.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@pool-71-248-27-207.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] hmm, here's a thought [04:02] it'd be nice if when you install off the live CD... any changes you make are made to your install too (wouldnt take much - just a copy of the home dir would do a lot of it!) === sn0 [n=mrsno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] Uh huh. You can do that. [04:05] CAN [04:05] but does it do it as default ? === jtt [n=jtholmes@198.211.210.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx [n=phoenix@189.5.194.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisle [n=chris@e178122004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr_ [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@pool-71-248-27-207.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@ns1.clipsalportal.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-186-56.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D837E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] \sh_away, i see you there. [05:22] ajmitch, care to take a look at bug #132853 [05:22] Launchpad bug 132853 in libmtp "[needs review] libmtp 0.2.1 udev rules file fix [needs upload] " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132853 [05:28] xhaker: sorry, why me? :) [05:28] you're awake [05:28] & at work [05:29] sorry, i thought it was fine to ask [05:29] subscribe the correct sponsors team [05:30] ubuntu-main-sponsors in this case [05:30] do i assign it to them? [05:30] No, subscribe [05:30] no, subscribe === jk- [n=jk@ozlabs.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] hi [05:32] do i get laughed at for asking about building cross gcc packages? :) === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] ajmitch, ScottK: thanks :) === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.54.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-113-162.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-54-201.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-54-201.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx [n=phoenix@189.5.194.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich [06:15] asac: it seems to work somewhat better with an upgrade from feisty -> gutsy on hard disk [06:15] asac: not sure how it would fare on a fresh install [06:16] asac: if it doesn't work a fresh install that would indicate its some sort of configuration issue === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABFDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] i am the very model of a modern major-general === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] mneptok: ... vegetable, mineral ... [07:19] I have so forgotten the words to that song. === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] Good morning [07:28] pitti: hoy [07:28] Morning pitti [07:29] pitti: Do you feel like processing some syncs for me? :-) [07:29] StevenK: can do [07:30] infinity: Ping, re: libnss-db. I want to get it uploaded before UVF hits. [07:32] pitti: Bugs 132846, 132854, 132855 and 132858 [07:32] Launchpad bug 132846 in xemacs21-packages "Please sync xemacs21-packages (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132846 [07:32] Launchpad bug 132854 in libgig "Please sync libgig (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132854 [07:32] Launchpad bug 132855 in mt-daapd "Please sync mt-daapd (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132855 [07:32] Launchpad bug 132858 in gem "Please sync gem (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132858 [07:32] Shush, ubotu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] libgig? [07:35] is that under a sensible license now ? [07:36] oh wait, that's just linuxsampler, nevermind :) [07:36] Heh [07:36] yay, the first ppc live CD for ages [07:36] pitti: \o/ [07:38] pitti: Your leave starts tomorrow, or today? [07:39] pitti: I remember my wedding - I invited nearly everybody from $WORK. Out of an office of 20 people, there was 3 people there on my wedding day. [07:39] StevenK: today afternoon [07:40] StevenK: kind of hard in the Canonical environment :) [07:40] Indeed. :-) [07:41] Lots and lots of video-conferencing gear. :-P === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx [n=phoenix@189.5.194.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === voltagex [n=voltagex@121-79-9-156-dsl.ispone.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === voltagex [n=voltagex@121-79-9-156-dsl.ispone.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel_ [n=torkel@ip65.degernas.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vinc2 [n=vincent@77.198.11.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] xhaker, poke [08:30] pitti: Thanks for the syncs. :-) [08:31] StevenK: np === Hobbsee syncs StevenK [08:31] morning pitti! [08:31] Same version that's in Debian. :-P [08:31] hey Hobbsee [08:31] lol === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] morning guys [08:37] hey fabbione === Hobbsee throws icecubes at fabbione in greeting [08:38] oh yeah [08:39] hmm, adept-notifier is not installable anymore === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] update-notifier-common no longer exists === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-7f8c7078e3f2fb95] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Apex [i=antipath@72.20.3.66] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-190.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d118.84-47-48.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEDDC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-34be8d35d6988126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@93.170-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] morning folks! [09:31] morning siretart! [09:31] pitti: before you get an heart attack the next time you do source NEW, may I /query you? [09:31] siretart: of course [09:32] he might bite, though === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67F29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dwatson [n=david@planetwatson.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] morning mvo [09:43] hello Hobbsee === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host217-197-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-122-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@123.115.245.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbrito [n=rbrito@201.76.27.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Hi there. [10:00] I am having a hard time getting gutsy working on a PowerPC here. [10:00] I am not familiar with the development process of Ubuntu (but I am on the New Maintainers queue of Debian) and I would like very much to have Ubuntu working on PowerPC. [10:01] #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support, please see the /topic [10:01] Can anybody tell me who should I contact so that PowerPC is not a port, but an official, supported platform? [10:01] oh, hmmm. [10:01] then that probably does apply to here [10:02] Hobbsee, I'm not looking for support. I'm offering support. :-) [10:02] rbrito: yeah, figured that after i hit enter :) [10:02] I just don't know how the process works in Ubuntu. [10:02] rbrito: you'll need to wait for the majority of europeans to wake up, for a start [10:03] How does a platform qualify for being released as a proper release and not as a port? [10:04] Hobbsee, yes, those damned timezones... [10:04] I still have not went to bed... :-( [10:04] I'm more like a zombie here. [10:04] rbrito: 07:36 < pitti> yay, the first ppc live CD for ages [10:04] FYI :) [10:05] calc: wierd [10:06] asac, the gutsy dailies had a problem with the ide-core module not being loaded... [10:06] It was really strange. [10:07] rbrito: supported> make sure there's a sufficient commercial demand for support services for ppc. [10:08] And this persisted even after I completed an install and installed a newer kernel (and the ramdisk was redone). [10:08] Chipzz: Hummm... That message is from what day? :-) [10:08] I tested the current ppc daily, and the session immediately crashes for me and returns back to gdm; I blame compiz :) === pitti hugs mvo === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Mithrandir: commercial support? [10:09] I see that the way that Ubuntu qualifies the platforms for release is quite different from that of Debian... [10:09] :-( [10:10] pitti: can you give me the output of .xsession-errors please? [10:10] mvo: I'll file a bug next week [10:11] rbrito: uh, being a port vs a supported architecture doesn't say anything about whether they're released as part of the release process or not. Where did you read that? [10:11] pitti: when I tested the daily from yesterday ubiquity did not want to instal [10:11] pitti: ok, I'm behind with bugs :( [10:11] I would like to offer help in getting my hands dirty in the very little spare time that I have, but I don't know how the process works with Ubuntu... [10:11] And I would really like to use an Ubuntu distribution on some computers that I will be giving for some charity purposes... [10:11] Mithrandir: well, being a port has meant for PowerPC that it doesn't even boot, unfortunately. :-( [10:12] rbrito: no, that doesn't follow. The reason ppc has been busted is nobody has cared about it properly. That doesn't have anything to do with it being a port or not. [10:13] Mithrandir: you are talking with one person that cares and that would love to help. :-) [10:13] I just don't know what are the proper procedures to be a "Ubuntu Developer". [10:13] I surely would like to help. [10:13] rbrito: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is a good starting point. [10:14] also, filing bugs with patches is always helpful. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] given that lots of developers don't have ppc systems, they might break PPC without intending to, and without anybody filing bugs, breakage goes unnoticed. [10:16] Mithrandir: I already have filed a bug regarding this and another person has the same problems that I have. [10:16] Isn't MOTU just for packaging regular packages? [10:16] Sorry for my ignorance of the Ubuntu way of things... [10:17] mvo: Do you take care of compiz? [10:17] rbrito: yes [10:17] rbrito: you start by doing MOTU stuff before you can get into core-dev who can upload any package in the distro so you can fix problems yourself. [10:19] mvo: you might have a good laugh at the screenshots that I posted from my system: [10:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/123263 [10:19] I am willing to test as much as I can. [10:19] Mithrandir: thanks for the information. I will look into that. [10:19] Launchpad bug 123263 in compiz "tribe-2 has severe problems due to screen effects enabled by default" [Undecided,Incomplete] [10:19] mvo: I'm using a Matrox G400 in that computer... === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-190.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] rbrito: that looks indeed quite bad. if matrox does not work, we can blacklist it [10:22] rbrito: does that happen with more recent compiz/xorg too? i.e. tribe-4 etc [10:22] I can experiment whatever is necessary to get things working.. [10:22] I take backups daily. :-) [10:22] mvo: I don't know, but I can test it and get back to you. [10:22] rbrito: today :) [10:22] What timezone are you in? [10:23] rbrito: that would be nice [10:23] rbrito: a lot got done between tribe2 and tribe4 :) [10:23] :-) [10:25] rbrito: me (and mvo too I think) are CET [10:25] (Central European Time) [10:25] mvo: as you can see from my verbose reports, I am quite willing to help get things working. [10:25] I don't measure efforts. [10:25] I can do whatever is needed to get it working... [10:25] This is my main workstation... :-/ === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] Ok, I'm almost going to bed (had spent a good amount of time studying), but I needed to get those points communicated... [10:28] The Matrox problem and the PowerPC problem... [10:28] mvo: BTW, my Matrox card *can* work with GLX enabled under Debian's X server. [10:29] But since I only have 16MB of VRAM, it isn't sufficient for a resolution of 1280x1024, which is what Ubuntu automatically detects on my system... [10:29] mvo: those screenshots and pictures that I took look quite nasty, huh? :-( [10:30] rbrito: ok, that makes sense, 16mb vram is way too small for the textures, so it should not run compiz [10:31] mvo: but compiz gets started... (At least it did when I tried to boot). [10:31] Is that a case of blacklisting my Matrox card, then? [10:32] rbrito: yeah, that is the problem that needs to be adressed, it should not get started. we either need to blacklist your card or find a heuristic about cards with too little memory [10:33] This would be a huge step into getting gutsy in shape for that computer... [10:33] Right... [10:33] The second option would be better, of course, if it doesn't amount to a huge effort. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] infinity: btw, apport is good for lpia now [10:35] infinity: adding to wiki page [10:35] mvo: if you want me to run any particular test, please let me know and I will get back to you. [10:36] rbrito: not currently, thanks [10:37] mvo: you're welcome. [10:37] Thanks. [10:37] BTW, regarding the PowerPC port, who is in charge in Ubuntu? [10:37] rbrito: nobody in particular ATM [10:38] (If there is one person or group in charge of it, that is). [10:38] pitti: do you want me to test anything to see how things go with PowerPC? [10:38] The ide-core module isn't being loaded, unfortunately. [10:38] I have to load it manually... [10:39] rbrito: sure, testing the current live CD and reporting bugs (preferably with solutions) would be great [10:39] rbrito: it's entirely a community port now, so everyone who wants to improve it is warmly welcomed to do so :) [10:40] rbrito: I didn't have that problem on my old G4 800, though [10:40] pitti: Huzzah. [10:40] pitti: Not that I expect it to get used, mind you... [10:40] infinity: we shuold alter the seeds then [10:41] In fact, I almost compiled a kernel without modules for the iBook that I have here, but I didn't have time I and I judged that it would be best to communicate so that others would know about it. [10:41] pitti: The moblin seeds are entirely up to Tollef at this point, I'm leaving it to him to decide what is and isn't going to be used. [10:41] pitti: But, I'm happy with trying to get (most of) main happy with lpia regardless, so people can feel free to mangle the seeds at will. [10:43] pitti: I filed this bug regarding PowerPC [10:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/126146 [10:43] Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] [10:43] Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed] === phoenixx [n=phoenix@189.5.194.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich [10:44] mvo: thanks for marking the bug as confirmed. [10:44] pitti: If there is anythng that I can do to help, please let me know. [10:45] hi pitti [10:45] rbrito: do you still have problems if you disable compiz (i.e. failsafe gnome session) ? [10:45] rbrito: i.e. is the resolution still too hight for the card then? [10:46] The iBook that I have here is maily for delivering classes and I would love to get rid of this proprietary operating system that I have installed. [10:46] hey tkamppeter [10:46] mvo: I went back to a terminal and changed things in the xorg.conf file... [10:47] pitti, what about the seeds, the MIR, and the UVF [10:47] mvo: I don't quite remember, but I can test it. [10:47] I will report that back tomorrow, is that OK? [10:47] When are the images generated? [10:47] I can grab a fresh image and see how it works... [10:48] tkamppeter: I'll have a look at the MIRs later, but there's no hurry; seed changes are not bound by FF/UVF [10:48] OK [10:48] mvo: But if I recall correctly, even when I chose vesa, it had a high resolution. === virgilio [n=virgilio@84.123.183.92.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] hi all, I just installed gutsy alpha 4 and updated all the system. After that I've tried to install kubuntu-desktop package to swith to kubuntu, but the proccess can't start due to a dpendency problems with adept [10:51] rbrito: sure, tomorrow is fine [10:52] rbrito: I just want to check if we have two bugs here (one that ocmpiz runs and the second that even without compiz the resultion is too hight for the card) [10:53] virgilio: I know what that is [10:53] mvo: did you upload the new update-notifier? [10:55] mvo: doesn't look like it, I'll upload now [10:55] Riddell: thanks [10:55] mvo: the resolution of 1280x1024 runs fine here. [10:55] mvo: I have Debian installed right now and I am using 1400x1050 and I don't have any problems... [10:55] mvo: Or do you mean other problems? === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-12.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] Well, it's almost 6am and it is way past bed time... :-) [10:59] Thank you very, very much for everybody that helped. [10:59] This community is superb. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] stgraber: managed to build 1.2.0 module yet? === tseliot [n=tseliot@host135-254-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41]