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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Aug 22:00 UTC: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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krautmoin09:10
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bryce@schedule11:09
ubotuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 16 Aug 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Aug 22:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 15:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team11:09
bryce@schedule PDT11:09
bryce@schedule America/Los_Angeles11:10
ubotuSchedule for America/Los_Angeles: 16 Aug 13:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Aug 15:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 08:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 05:00: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team11:10
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kraut@schedule berlin12:15
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dendrobates@schedule New York01:38
ubotuSchedule for America/New_York: 16 Aug 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Aug 18:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team01:38
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DarkSun88Hi all.04:40
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DarkSun88@schedule rome04:41
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 16 Aug 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Aug 00:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team04:41
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DarkSun88See you tonight.04:44
DarkSun88By all.04:44
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brycemorning05:04
Hobbseemorning bryce!05:07
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s-x-uit is afternoon here :-)05:35
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calcthere is a really bad storm headed my way if i fall offline then that would be why08:39
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 20 Aug 22:00 UTC: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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calcpong09:51
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Riddellhow's the storm calc?09:55
calcdoing ok so far09:55
Riddellis it like at the start of wizard of oz?09:55
calci think it died down when it finally got here, i'm north of houston about 60km or so09:55
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RiddellArneGoetje: aren't you stuck in a storm too?09:57
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ArneGoetjeRiddell: yes... but still OK here...09:58
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iwjEvening.09:59
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evandhello09:59
dendrobateshey all.09:59
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calcmy wife nearly didn't get home, the doctors office was surrounded a few blocks away by water on all sides10:00
Keybukit occurred to me today that while we have a New Starters section in the agenda, we don't have a Leavers section10:00
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calcKeybuk: so they can quietly run away? ;)10:00
RiddellKeybuk: it's good to be optimistic10:00
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Mithrandiryou can check out but you can never leave.  (See lamont)10:01
=== heno waves
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Riddellwe could have a fabbione tribute agenda item10:01
keescook'allo10:01
bryceheya all10:01
bdmurrayHeyyy!10:01
amitk_hello10:01
mathiazhi10:01
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mdz_howdy all10:01
tkamppeterhi10:01
ograRiddell++10:01
pedro_hello10:01
henowelcome pedro_ :)10:02
ograhey pedro_10:02
pedro_heno: thanks you, glad to see you around :-)10:02
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pedro_hey ogra10:02
=== kylem waves
mdz_Keybuk: thanks for putting the agenda together10:04
mdz_thursdays have become such a nightmare schedule-wise10:04
mdz_shall we get started?10:04
Keybukjust thursdays?10:04
mdz_thursdays especially10:05
KeybukI had to write off Wednesday (getting things done before Thursday) and Friday (getting things done that I didn't do on Thursday) as well10:05
mdz_I just got off my going-home-on-the-train conference call, and now onto my during-dinner meeting10:05
mdz_#startmeeting10:05
MootBotMeeting started at 19:58. The chair is mdz_.10:05
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 10:05
mdz_[TOPIC]  pedro!10:05
MootBotNew Topic:  pedro!10:05
Mithrandirmdz_: luckily, you only dropped off once and the noise wasn't that bad. :-)10:05
mdz_pedro_: welcome!10:05
pedro_mdz_: thanks a lot :-)10:06
mdz_you probably all know pedro by now10:06
ograhe's the guy with his own topic :)10:06
mdz_but he is on a mission10:06
mdz_to wipe out desktop bugs10:06
ogra\o/10:07
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mvowelcome pedro_!10:07
pedro_thanks mvo! :-)10:07
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mdz_onward and upward!10:07
bryceit'll be nice no longer having desktop bugs10:07
mdz_[TOPIC]  feature freeze status10:07
MootBotNew Topic:  feature freeze status10:07
mdz_or as we like to call it...10:07
mdz_...THE RECKONING10:07
seb128bryce: indeed ;)10:08
pedro_hehe yeah10:08
mdz_so, raise your hand if all of your feature goals are on target10:08
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Riddell...10:08
=== calc notices the silence ;)
agoliveiraSorry guys, I'm late10:08
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mdz_raise them louder!10:09
asaci uploaded ubufox 0.4~beta1 today with a cool new plugin finder wizard and an integration to install extensions through gnome-app install :)10:09
Mithrandirmy own are quite ok, but UME as a whole is late.10:09
Riddellmostly mine are, some are blocked on main inclusion reports though and some split out into "to be deferred" specs10:09
Keybukmvo: yours were all done, don't be shy :)10:09
mathiazapparmor is on target10:09
calci expect to have a new openoffice with the hang issue resolved (among lots of other fixes) uploaded in the next few days10:09
keescookall of my assigned features are in.  ;)10:09
iwjI'm pleased I managed to get round to, and finish (sort of) triggers.  I'm still waiting for the bugs to start rolling in.10:09
bryceone is done, one 99% done, and one is still waiting on upstream10:09
ograltsp is in fine state ... all new and shiny and full of fresh bugs :)10:10
kylemthe kernel is mostly looking ok.10:10
iwjogra: pedro will be pleased; otherwise he might feel there wasn't enough for him to be doing.10:10
bryce(the 99% one is bulletproof-x - I just need to flip it on in gdm now)10:10
mdz_this all sounds very good10:10
=== mvo uploaded a fix for the 1px border thing on compiz today
ScottKMinor in the scheme of things, but GPG and S/MIME by default for Kmail/Kontact is done.10:10
mdz_but if everyone has at least one thing not on track, we must have issues to talk through :-)10:11
Keybukmdz: nothing alarming from my team10:11
mdz_tell me your troubles10:11
iwjmvo: thanks again for fixing up that silly ftbfs, btw.10:11
ograiwj, ltsp is a *server* (in case of pedro and bugs at least :))10:11
bryceat some point I would like to talk about xorg 7.3, and whether to do the xserver 1.4 upgrade10:11
iwjogra: *grin*10:11
ogra;)10:11
Riddellslow main inclusion report processing10:11
mvoiwj: no problem, apt is a bit ... sometimes10:11
asacwell network-manager is a spec ... but that was a bug spec in the first place ... so it doesn't qualify for todays freeze10:11
amitk_I need to kickstart the laptop testing team with help from heno10:12
mdz_amitk_: and jono10:12
amitk_re-kickstart, even10:12
amitk_right10:12
henovirtual-machine-on-cd is not going to happen, but windows-installer should10:12
iwjI'd like to chat to someone who knows about ld.so, with a view to triggerising ldconfig.10:12
evandindeed, all the bits are in place for windows-installer10:12
henoamitk_: see email from me this evening10:12
RiddellScottK: that's the sort of fiddly thing we like to see fixed10:12
Keybukiwj: hello :-)10:12
amitk_heno: sure10:12
iwjKeybuk: Hi :-).  Excellent.  Catch you on irc tomorrow ?10:13
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.10:13
Keybukiwj: sure10:13
mdz_Riddell: are the main inclusion reviews blocking on pitti?  he's been quite busy10:13
Keybuk[ACTION]  iwj to talk to keybuk tomorrow about ldconfig10:13
Keybukoh, bah10:13
Keybuksudo mdz ...10:13
ograheh10:13
mdz_[ACTION]  iwj to talk to keybuk tomorrow about ldconfig10:13
MootBotACTION received:  iwj to talk to keybuk tomorrow about ldconfig10:13
ograsu would suffice10:13
mdz_would have done it sooner if you didn't scroll out from under my mouse...10:13
Riddellmdz_: yes, he did promise to do them before his honeymoon so we'll see10:13
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mdz_isn't someone else working on MIR apart from pitti?10:14
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mdz_I thought we expanded that team10:15
iwjI do some MIRs occasionally but I've been very head-down the last week or so.10:15
ograiwj, did you stop doing MIRs ?10:15
mdz_iwj: with pitti going on holiday, he could use the help now more than ever I think10:15
iwjmdz_: Yes.10:16
iwjI should really take that over, probably.10:16
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iwjLooking at the mails about the wiki changes, it's basically been just pitti and if he goes it'll just all stop.10:16
iwjSo consider me volunteered.10:16
mdz_keescook: given that a good chunk of it is security review, you might consider helping out with that in the medium term10:16
iwjI might want a second opinion occasionally.  There's, shall we say, a political aspect to it.10:17
keescookmdz_: okay, I can have at it.10:17
iwjParticularly from a security pov.  So kees, would you mind helping out ?10:17
iwjAh, excellent.10:17
keescookiwj: sure :)10:17
mdz_keescook: perhaps more after your cloning10:17
keescookyes please10:18
iwjFor now I'd like to encourage anyone to chase me up if you need a MIR done.10:18
mdz_heno: who handled milestone testing while you were away?10:18
Riddelliwj: kiosktool, obexftp, kvkbd, opensync are the ones I'm blocking on10:19
iwjRiddell: I'll email myself that list and take a look tomorrow.10:19
henoI asked stgraber to take a more active role in that, but I think pitti and hobsee also did much of it10:19
ogramdz_, we all did, lead by pitti and Hobsse10:19
ograstgraber was very active as well, yes10:20
mdz_ogra: are there summary results available?10:20
Riddell"hobbsee" (took me a while to remember which letters were doubled)10:20
ograon the iso tracker i think10:20
mdz_ah, front page10:20
MithrandirRiddell: usually a lot easier when she's around, since then you can just tab-complete10:20
henohttps://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/report/610:21
mdz_I'm not sure how to read "7/7 (12) (1)"10:21
mdz_but I can guess what all of the insect icons mean :-)10:21
heno7 of 7 test complete10:21
heno12 tests submitted in total10:21
mdz_?10:22
henomore documentation would be useful, yes10:22
ograwell10:22
mdz_7 out of 7 out of 1210:22
ograthere are headers on the table columns10:22
mdz_yes, that one says "test status" :-)10:22
heno7 out of 7, with some tested more than once10:22
henofull coverage + some10:23
ogramdz_, you are on the wrong page10:23
mdz_ah, 7 test cases, rather than 7 tests?10:23
henoright, sorry10:23
mdz_ok, so general feature freeze status sounds fairly ominous10:24
mdz_I will review in more detail with Keybuk and cjwatson (when he returns)10:24
mdz_no agenda items were submitted10:24
mdz_presumably everyone has been too busy pushing for feature freeze10:25
=== bryce nods
Keybukominous in a good way or a bad way?10:25
iwjAnything that we needed help with needed fixing before the meeting :-).10:25
mdz_Keybuk: ominous in a big scary uncertain sort of way10:25
bryceominous can be in a good way?10:25
Keybukmdz_: EWBO10:25
mdz_but anyway, this is a good opportunity to get help if you have FF-related issues10:26
mdz_since everyone is here10:26
brycemdz_, I'd like to chat about xorg 7.3 FF-related issues10:26
mdz_bryce: by all means10:27
calcalso anyone who has the ipw3945 wifi please not if you have it and if it works10:27
mdz_[VOTE]  does your ipw3945 work?10:27
MootBotPlease vote on:  does your ipw3945 work?.10:27
brycewell, we're still waiting on xserver 1.4, but it's scheduled to come out this month, and I'm guessing soon10:27
calcI do, doesn't work much with NM10:27
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kylem4965 works fine.10:27
kylem:)10:27
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mdz_a dead heat10:27
brycemdz_, however it's going to necessitate rebuilding much of the X componentry due to ABI changes10:28
calcok10:28
mdz_bryce: how soon is 'soon'?10:28
Keybukagoliveira, bdmurray: what wireless network do you use?10:28
brycemdz_, I don't have an exact date but am estimating within the week10:28
mvo0 (don't use NM)10:28
bdmurraywep10:28
mdz_bryce: and how deep are the changes?  is this a major feature release compared to what we have?10:28
calcmy situation is NM doesn't work with open or WPA/WPA2 but ifup works (keybuk mentioned events issue)10:28
agoliveiraIntel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network, wap10:28
brycemdz_, I think it could be done, but I'm quite concerned about regressions, and lack of time to get them addressed10:28
mdz_#endvote10:29
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 2 against. Total: 010:29
Keybukfor me, it doesn't work with open but tends to work with WEP/WPA10:29
brycemdz_, yes it's a major release, that adds input hotplugging10:29
calcKeybuk: does it work with open if using ifup instead of NM?10:29
bdmurraymine worked in the london office too10:29
mdz_bryce: what's the main use case for input hotplugging?10:29
mdz_[TOPIC]  X.org 7.310:29
MootBotNew Topic:  X.org 7.310:29
brycemdz_, it will allow being able to leave out the keyboard, mouse, wacom tablet, etc. entries in xorg.conf and xorg will figure them out automatically10:30
brycemdz_, however as I understand it, support will need to be added for the drivers to take advantage of that anyway10:30
mdz_bryce: handy, but won't resolve much for users10:30
bryceright10:30
calcKeybuk: bug 128360 is open about nm failing with open (but in my case its even more generally failing)10:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128360 in network-manager "[ipw3945]  nm fails to connect to open network" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12836010:30
brycethere are also some pixmap optimizations vis-a-viz cairo which *may* help with compiz performance10:30
mdz_bryce: have you raised the question with upstream?  what do they recommend that we do, given our schedule?10:31
brycebut I think at this stage we may be more concerned about compiz stability/featurefulness than performance10:31
henooh, that might fix bug 83860 :)10:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83860 in gdm "Accessible GDM broken with our wacom setup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8386010:31
Keybukcalc: yes10:31
brycemdz_, I talked with alex about it, and he said sticking with 1.3 "would be just fine" for our purposes, but of course as an upstream would love if we ran their latest code10:31
mdz_bryce: if they stand behind it strongly, and will be there to help us beat the bugs out of it, then it might be feasible10:32
mdz_bryce: if it's up to us, then I think perhaps not10:32
mdz_bryce: are you aware of any high-visibility bug fixes in it?10:32
bryceI know that debian has been working on packaging it but has been having various mesa-related issues10:33
Mithrandirit's required for display hotplugging, isn't it?10:33
mdz_Mithrandir: I thought that was in 1.310:33
bryceit's a long changelog, but there are a number of bug fixes that would be nice to have.  I've got a handful listed for backporting if we choose not to update10:33
brycedisplay hotplugging was 1.3, and we already have it10:33
Mithrandirok, then I haven't been paying proper attention10:34
bryceusers are reporting very good results with it too, when deleting their xorg.confs.  :-)10:34
Mithrandirbryce: only people using US keyboards, then, I presume?10:34
mdz_bryce: I think this is largely your call to make.  if the backporting list is less scary than the update, then we can hang back10:34
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=== mvo just wanted to ask the same question as Mithrandir
KeybukMithrandir: or using GNOME10:34
ograMithrandir, you can set it in gnome10:34
KeybukMithrandir: since if you set in the gnome settings, it will adjust it on login10:35
bryceMithrandir: right; the input hotplugging with xserver 1.4 I think will set up the keyboard better10:35
MithrandirKeybuk: and not having any special characters in your password, then.10:35
mvoKeybuk: will that help in gdm?10:35
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ogramvo, nope10:35
Keybukheh, that never occurred to me10:35
Keybukbut then I auto-login10:35
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mvoheh :)10:35
Keybuk(brief check to see whether elmo saw that)10:35
ograheh10:35
brycemdz_, ok, I would like to avoid the risk and stay with what we have.  I think it would be keen to have the latest code, but I think the time would be better spent squashing bugs and giving users more stability10:35
mdz_does anyone have a strong feeling about X server 1.4 that they'd like to share?10:36
mdz_one way or the other?10:36
Mithrandirit doesn't matter for what drivers we'll have available?10:36
Mithrandirs/matter for/affect/10:36
Keybukmdz_: "woo, bleeding edge, woo" ?10:37
bryceMithrandir: not really, although alex says longer term if users wish for newish features, they may miss out10:37
seb128better to get the new version earlier than during a lts cycle?10:37
mdz_we don't offer new features post-release anyway10:37
Mithrandirseb128: that's a good point.10:37
mdz_seb128: we can have it from day 0 in gutsy+110:37
seb128mdz_: still, gutsy+1 will not get real user testing for months10:38
Keybukbryce: how do upstream feel about 1.4 ?10:38
mdz_bryce: do you feel confident updating it at the start of the next cycle?10:38
bdmurrayseb128: I am personally surprised at the number of people running Gutsy10:38
bryceKeybuk: alex sounded more optimistic about it than I expected, but I haven't done a thorough survey10:39
brycemdz_, yes10:39
seb128bdmurray: we are not early in the cycle10:39
bryceKeybuk: debian reports a variety of issues relating to mesa have cropped up10:39
henoyeah we need to tap into the user base running the latest crack better10:39
mdz_seb128 is correct, we don't get the kind of varied testing we need for something like a new X server until later10:39
henoseb128: but they start early10:39
bryceKeybuk: which I think is why they still have not released it to experimental, which is a worry10:39
mdz_bryce: will there be another major release during gutsy+1?  or can we plan to release 8.04 with 1.4 as well?10:40
bryceI think it's highly likely there'll be another major release during gutsy+110:41
mdz_if it comes this late, we'd almost certainly have to pass over it10:41
bryceyup10:41
mdz_bryce: I support staying back if you think that gives us the best chance at quality10:42
mdz_that's the most important thing at this point10:42
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Keybukthat could mean we ended up with 1.3 in gutsy+110:42
bryceyes, good, that's my feeling as well10:42
Keybukdo we want 1.3 that late? and jump to 1.5 in +2 ?10:43
mdz_Keybuk: I don't see why it has to mean that10:43
mdz_especially if some other distros help stabilize it meanwhile10:43
Keybukerrr, yes, sorry, I'm on crack10:43
mdz_bryce: I encourage you to get more input from upstream, though.  explain the situation and try to get honest opinions of what's best to help you make the decision10:44
bryceok will do10:44
mdz_ok10:44
mdz_next topic?10:44
agoliveiramdz_: No mootbot? :)10:44
mdz_agoliveira: it was a question10:44
mdz_calc: I hear we're expecting a late oo.o release as well10:45
henoI added an item to the wiki10:45
calcmdz_: yes, generally oo.o has released a month before ubuntu10:45
henoTribe 5 testing commitments - [WWW]  https://iso.qa.stgraber.org now has the facility to subscribe testers to individual tests (as we did in the past on the wiki). I'll be asking distro team members and community testers to subscribe from tribe-5 testing onwards so we can track coverage better.10:45
calcmdz_: looking back at the old release schedules for oo.o vs ubuntu10:45
mdz_[TOPIC]  Tribe 5 testing commitments10:46
MootBotNew Topic:  Tribe 5 testing commitments10:46
=== agoliveira have the feeling that should have kept his feet on the bed today...
calcmdz_: rc is due next thursday10:46
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calcmdz_: final release is scheduled for sept 410:46
mdz_heno: good idea, to track coverage of known testers vs. test cases10:47
mdz_calc: bugfix release or feature release?10:47
calcmdz_: feature release 2.3.010:47
calcthe .1 releases are bugfix releases for oo.o10:47
henoright, for the later milestones we'll have to do that to ensure coverage10:47
henoand we have to double up coverage10:48
mdz_heno: will you go around and see that canonical folks are signed up to ensure coverage of the most important cases?10:48
dokocompared to the current snapshot, oo.o shouldn't have new features for the next milestone10:49
dokoI would propose to have packages in a ppa first before uploading to the distro10:49
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henomdz_: yes, that was the plan. I'll email the distro list10:50
mathiazheno: stgraber created server.qa.stgraber.org.  I'd like to use it to track hardware testing.10:50
mathiazheno: should this be done on iso.qa instead ?10:51
mdz_ok10:51
calcdoko: ok will do10:51
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mdz_any other business for the meeting?10:51
henomathiaz: can we take this to email/phone?10:51
ogra_yes10:51
mathiazheno: ok.10:52
Riddellare we ready for tribe 5 next week?10:52
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 130330 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Please re enable oss audio drivers for use on thin clients" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13033010:52
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ogra_it will be a major regression if we dont have them in ltsp ... many embedded clients only have oss drivers10:52
mdz_next kernel team meeting is tuesday10:52
ogra_so sound will just stop working for them10:53
Riddellcalc: do you have an openoffice upload pending for tribe 5?10:53
ogra_mdz_, oki, i'll attend there10:53
mdz_ogra_: and BenC will be back from holiday10:53
ogra_yup10:53
tkamppeterI would like to hear about bug 35638 from the kernel team.10:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 35638 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Hl-1050 is not detected properly" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3563810:53
rtg_ogra_: send an email to Ben 'cause he had some opinions about it.10:53
mdz_Riddell: good question for our release manager to answer when he gets back from getting married ;-)10:53
Riddellkylem etc: any linux uploads planned for tribe 5?10:53
mdz_I'm told there's a kernel upload planned10:53
calcRiddell: still working on it right now, i'll see if i can get it done before the end of the weekend10:54
Mithrandirtoday or tomorrow is the rumour I've heard10:54
calcRiddell: the next upload won't have that annoying hang in any case10:54
Riddellany last minute major gnome features being added? :)10:54
rtg_kylem is in the middle of producing an upload right now.10:54
Riddellcalc: you're my hero10:54
ogra_rtg_, well, if he's at the meeting i'm fine to discuss it there, there is no hurry as long as we have a decision before release10:54
calcRiddell: heh :)10:54
mdz_kernel uploads in advance of the freeze make for happy release managers10:55
calcRiddell: any news about the nspluginviewer getting a fix similarly?10:55
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Riddellcalc: nothing :(10:55
calcugh :\10:55
Riddelland of course we have plenty of other bugs marked for tribe 5 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-510:55
calcRiddell: well if the code is cleanly separated then you can check for calls to glib/gdk/gtk and determine if it is initialized beforehand, adding initialization will probably fix it10:55
mdz_Riddell: should we have a tribe 5 bug round-up early next week?10:56
mdz_Riddell: gather the people working on those bugs?10:56
Riddellmdz_: would need to be very early next week10:56
mdz_tomorrow?10:57
mdz_I think it would be good to review them one-by-one, but there's no time here10:57
Riddellcan do10:57
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bdmurraytkamppeter: we could talk about that bug a bit if you want10:57
ogra_why is tribe5 so early ?10:57
tkamppeterbdmurray, would be nice.10:57
Riddellogra_: it's what the schedule says10:57
ogra_only two weeks between the two10:58
mdz_ogra_: because we need testing10:58
ogra_Riddell, right, i just wonder why ...10:58
mdz_ok, we're out of time10:58
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mdz_anything else, follow up on the mailing list10:58
tkamppeterbdmurray, should we talk here or better at another place in this IRC?10:58
Riddellothers were three weeks between them but there's no time for three week gaps before beta10:58
mdz_thanks, everyone10:59
mdz_#endmeeting10:59
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mdz_MootBot: your watch is slow10:59
ogra_well, i'm missint the one week to fix my tribe bugs :)10:59
bdmurraytkamppeter: another place probably10:59
agoliveiraBye all10:59
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mvobye10:59
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ogra_since i'm busy with building and testing isos then ...10:59
kwwiithanks all10:59
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ogra_thanks10:59
ubotrans-itthanks all10:59
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seb128'night10:59
ubotrans-itgoodnight11:00
asacnight all11:00
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ArneGoetjenight11:00
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evandbye11:00
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tkamppeterbdmurray, I have opened I private chat.11:01
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iwjGoodnight all.11:02
heno'night11:03
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bdmurraytkamppeter: have you seen my reply?11:04
tkamppeterbdmurray, no reply appeared.11:04
tkamppeterbdmurray, will restart my xchat and try again.11:06
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