=== doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === robr [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-fb74b08088e813c2] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === HappyCamp [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-91255493512434fb] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === px [n=px@unaffiliated/px] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Twinsen [i=tebrandt@nat/intel/x-28e4f43af20ffe66] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:44] question about installation. will ubuntu use the same i386 cd to install the mobile edition? [03:44] Last I checked super small devices didn't have CD drives [03:44] well not cd ofcourse since these machines do not come with a cd [03:44] yeah [03:44] usb installation [03:45] Probably not. See, the Ubuntu installer CD has a huge desktop GUI. :) [03:45] but the point is, is it going to be the i386 architecture [03:45] THe packages will be available in i386. I think the focus is on lpia right now. [03:45] Low Power Intel Architecture [03:46] so i would burn the iso into my usb drive. [03:46] i just want to run the regular ubuntu desktop but have a small kernel. [03:46] can i do that [03:47] like use the kernel from UME but keep the software from the i386. [03:50] Um. [03:50] Doubt there will be a different kernel for i386 offered for awhile. [03:51] You realize "UME" is not much more than a bunch more packages? Hildon, etc... probably some packages containing various apps useful on a small device. [03:51] Probably a custom kernel for each target device. [03:51] (just guessing about that one) [03:53] we now have a kernel for amd64, i386, ppc, server, low latency. so i assume there will be one that has all the "fat" removed. [03:57] maybe. [03:57] but probably different fat added [03:59] well i just mean stuff that is irrelevant on a small device. like module for loading scsi devices, or parallel printer access. [03:59] things that would make the kernel slower/bulkier === rustyl [n=Rusty@c-76-27-226-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:01] Sure. NOne of that stuff is loade into the kernel anyways unless you need it. [04:01] But yes, I suspect it won't be distributed for an install designed for a intel small device [04:01] The existance of scsi modules on your disk does not make the kernel slower or bulkier. [04:02] that is not what i meant. but yes i agree with you. [04:02] Not like that's hard to remove right now. [04:02] is there an installation guide already in place? [04:04] i am looking for the instructions to install from a usb disk. [04:05] There isn't anything to install yet as far as I know. [04:07] i guess it will be something like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html [04:08] Sure, if your device even has USB [04:08] samsung q1 [04:08] What's that? [04:09] for others will be a network install. if wifi or ether is available. [04:09] OH, hell, you can install Ubuntu on that now. [04:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded [04:10] yeah but i need to know how to put the installer on a usb pen drive. that is where i am stock. [04:10] i do not have an external cd drive the samsung q1 [04:10] bicchi, what are you stuck on? [04:11] how to write the image to the USB key? [04:11] yeah [04:11] i am following this: [04:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html [04:11] am i on the right track? [04:12] or do i just copy the .iso to the pen drive ? [04:12] bicchi, sorry... got distracted [04:13] bicchi, we have this covered in the documentation, but i would need to track that down, but the answer is that you use dd to write the image to the device [04:14] bicchi, are you familiar with using dd to write data directly to a device node? [04:14] yeah but i would rather look at the docs to be safe [04:15] bicchi, the other option is to us the image-creator GUI... i.e. just run 'sudo image-creator', and you can select a project, then select the target, and then click on a button in the bottom right to write the data to the key. Let me find the documentation [04:16] and that would burn and image to my pen drive for it to boot? [04:16] full image 650mb iso ? [04:16] http://moblin.org/howto_create-image.html describes using the GUI [04:17] the GUI will just do a 'dd if=/path/to/the/image of=/dev/YOURDEVICENODE' [04:17] i need no gui for that. [04:17] yea, the gui just makes it easier [04:18] since selecting the wrong device can translate into disaster [04:18] yes i am aware of that one [04:18] if you use the command line, you also need to make sure the that device is not mounted [04:19] ubuntu will automount the pin drive, and then you will end up with a corrupt image on the key if the device is mounted at the same time you write directly to the device node [04:19] the gui just umounts the device for you [04:19] but that's all there is to it [04:20] bicchi, and another warning [04:20] you need to choose the actual device node, not one of the partitions [04:20] so if you already have a key that with a partition (which is normal), then it might show up as both /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 [04:21] the dd need to be directed to /dev/sdb [04:21] otherwise you miss the boot sector [04:28] do i need to burn the alternative cd or can i use the regular desktop cd [04:29] in other words, text based installation [04:34] rustyl: so sdb is the boot partition not sdb1 [05:01] sdb is the disk itself [05:02] yeah i ended up with: sudo dd if=ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb [05:02] after running: df -h [05:03] the dd process seems to be going really slows on a usb 2.0 pen drive. i am not sure if i should have passed other parameters. === bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === patm [n=pepper@220-137-85-42.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:00] does anyone know if the SDIO patch was integrated with the ume kernel === charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-a27f1f6ce75c6bf1] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@116.59.16.41] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ketrox [n=ketrox@Zd0dc.z.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ketrox [n=ketrox@Zd0dc.z.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bobux [i=bspencer@nat/intel/x-29750e6f9c1e08de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-122-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-dc52650774e5d84d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.44.86.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-88231edb39fb23d2] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:23] Mithrandir: Hi. I need to discuss with you a few things about how to have the applications on the image. === etrunko [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:25] my Q1 seems to throw away all of my changes to it when it is rebooted. is this by design? [02:26] mdz: Hmmm... I guess so. I just tested and mine does the same [02:27] I mean, probably a bug not a feature :) [02:27] mdz: no, it's not by design, and mine doesn't. [02:27] Mithrandir: did you install using a daily build, or one you built yourself? [02:27] mdz: daily build from quite a while ago. [02:28] mine was most recently reinstalled from a daily build last week, but has always had this problem as I recall [02:28] agoliveira: sure, now? [02:28] I just want to de-root the image, then I can reflash my device. [02:28] Mithrandir: Yes please [02:30] Mithrandir: What happens is that the application packages I created deppend on lpia and the images are being created from i386. Are you planning on switch to lpia? [02:31] agoliveira: yes, once we have a useful hildon environment, I'll switch the dailies to lpia [02:31] Mithrandir: is that soon, or not soon? [02:32] Mithrandir: I need to decide what to do in that case because we need some aplications there ASAP. [02:32] Mithrandir: agoliveira needs to package a number of things which are already in the archive for i386, but need to be built differently for UME (e.g. enabling hildon support) [02:32] he plans to do this by building conditionally for lpia, but if they daily builds won't be using lpia for a while, he needs to do something else in order to make progress [02:33] next week or the week after is the current schedule. [02:34] if I drop everything else and just drive for getting lpia images working, next week is doable. [02:35] Mithrandir: I need to catch up with you on your current task list and make sure it's aligned with what adilson needs to get done [02:35] we can do that at the meeting I suppose [02:35] sounds good [02:35] but meanwhile, adilson is blocked [02:36] I didn't realize that lpia would block nearly all of the apps [02:36] agoliveira: why can't you pile up fixes in your end make them ready to upload once we have lpia dailies ready? [02:36] Mithrandir: because then we don't find any of the problems until then [02:36] and then = september, apparently [02:37] which is too late to start testing applications [02:37] Mithrandir: I can do that also but I wanted to test the applications too. [02:37] I can install them locally but it's not the same, of course. [02:38] What about if I build the packages locally and place them somewhere so people could download and install as a short term solution? [02:39] agoliveira: build them for i386, you mean? [02:39] mdz: Yes but forcing the hildon interface === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:40] That way we could test them. Not the best solution but a short term patch. [02:41] agoliveira: you could put them in a PPA === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:41] that would also give you some practice uploading [02:41] PPA? [02:42] never mind, if you haven't heard of it, then it would probably take too long for you to find out about it [02:42] Ah.. Personal Package Archive? [02:42] yes [02:42] I heard about it but didn't sue it. [02:42] use [02:44] Well, I could give it a try. Should we go that way? === agoliveira waits anxiously... === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:06] mdz, Mithrandir, did you reach an agreement? [03:15] agoliveira: I suspect that when your applications are finally uploaded, there will be problems which need to be fixed at that time. they will not be perfect in the first iteration [03:15] agoliveira: this is why I think it is important to get them in now, rather than waiting === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:15] agoliveira: I doubt anyone is running Dates on their desktop, so presumably the i386 build could be changed to use Hildon? [03:15] mdz: Ok but should I keep the way I was doing, with the lpia? [03:16] mdz: Sure [03:16] that approach might work for some of the applications [03:17] mdz: Yes but it will be complicated with Claws, for instance. === ntemis [n=jimmys@cpe-90793.ip.primehome.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:17] hello [03:18] mdz: You didn't like my idea of creating a temporary set of binaries while we figure out the lpia image? [03:18] i want to ask something [03:19] is 770 nokia internet tablet supported? [03:19] is yes [03:19] agoliveira: how would you get them into the daily build? [03:19] if yes [03:19] will it be possible to run skype on it? [03:19] ntemis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-mobile:mdz] : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ [03:19] mdz: As I said, I woulnd'. It would be just a set of .deb that one could install manually. [03:20] agoliveira: right, I don't think that solves the problem [03:20] mdz: Solve, not but would be a short time solution while the images from lpia are not there. [03:20] Mithrandir: what is blocking lpia daily builds? can I help? [03:21] mdz: :( [03:21] mdz: glib emits a warning which causes hildon-desktop to build, at least. [03:21] mdz: I'm taking a look at that just now. [03:21] Mithrandir: s/build/fail to &/ ? argh [03:21] yes, fail to build. [03:22] Ouch... === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:33] Mithrandir: is there anything I can do to help? [03:34] or me. I'm kinda stuck anyway. [03:36] if you could try to work out why the build failure in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8743442/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.hildon-thumbnail_0.11ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is happening, that'd be useful [03:37] more eyes always helps. [03:38] if you want to work on something else, we have plenty of MIRs that need to be written, and other tasks that need to be done. Just tell me and I'll whip up some. [03:38] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416863 [03:39] looks like the issue [03:39] I've no idea why it only showed up on lpia, though === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:40] but we're using 4.2, not 4.3 [03:41] Mithrandir: 4.2 gives the same warning [03:41] ok [03:41] I'm pretty sure it will work fine if the warning is allowed to pass, and doesn't fail the build [03:41] I'd rather fix glib. [03:42] agreed, but it already has that patch [03:43] it built, at least. [03:43] hmm, same problems in a different place in the header [03:44] or maybe not [03:44] the fix is tied to gcc 4.3 [03:44] but the same problem exists in 4.2 [03:44] I'll fix [03:45] actually, I'll talk to seb128 about it first [03:45] seb128: our glib2.0 seems to suffer from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416863, which was fixed with a patch using #if __GNUC_PREREQ (4,3) [03:45] it goes away if I change the __GNUC_PREREQ (4,2) [03:46] seb128: but the problem is in gcc 4.2 as well, at least ours, and the one used in Debian in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424557 [03:46] so I think it should be changed to (4,2) [03:46] as in, I don't get warnings then. [03:48] seb's been idle for a while, almost an hour and a half [03:48] I think that's the correct fix [03:52] I tried to debootstrap an lpia chroot, and it fails miserably, very early, without even getting a Packages file [03:52] don't give it a URL, it'll DTRT then. [03:52] lpia lives on ports [03:53] oh, how fun [03:53] agoliveira: debootstrap --arch lpia gutsy gutsy-lpia [03:53] agoliveira: if you want to help try to get hildon working there [03:54] mdz: Ok. Will do now. [03:54] lool: given you were involved in the patch we talk above; any comments or thoughts? [03:55] lool: will it break anything if we accidentially turn on __attribute__ ((__gnu_inline__)) on for too old compilers? [03:56] locales is a bit broken [03:56] mdz: Did you start the build again? [03:56] agoliveira: ?? === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:57] mdz: I mean the lpia build wasn't stuck? [03:57] agoliveira: there is a problem with glib which causes the hildon-desktop build to fail [03:57] agoliveira: Mithrandir is fixing it, as you can see above [03:58] mdz: Oh ok. I was backloging. [03:58] heck, if it breaks something, it'll only break for lpia or for anything using gcc 4.2 explicitly. [03:58] I'll just upload [03:58] thanks [03:59] it will take hours to find out if it fixes things anyway [03:59] no, I'm blasting through the stack here locally [03:59] unless of course the shiny new launchpad bits work [04:00] Mithrandir: ubuntu-mobile seems to have far fewer dependencies than I would expect [04:00] on lpia, or in general? [04:00] Mithrandir: only looked at lpia [04:00] they only get picked up when they're built [04:00] ah, I see i386 has many more === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl540283A6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:03] glib uploaded, btw [04:03] hildon-desktop seems much happier now [04:13] mdz: I present to you -- UME lpia: http://err.no/tmp/screenshot-ume-lpia.png [04:13] not quite there yet, but getting there. [04:15] Mithrandir: ! [04:15] nice [04:16] the theming is slightly funky too. [04:17] Mithrandir: it's about as funky as it is in the daily builds [04:17] Mithrandir, mdz: I'm here === guardian_ [n=Guardian@ANantes-252-1-18-218.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:18] Mithrandir: and no, I was idle for like half an hour ;) [04:18] 15:47 [OPN] -!- idle : 0 days 1 hours 27 mins 1 secs [signon: Thu Aug 16 [04:18] is what my irc client claimed [04:18] hildon-control-panel will need to be built with the new glib, presumably [04:18] mdz: yes, I'll need to give back a bunch of packages once the new glib is in. [04:19] seb128: anyway, my point wasn't to pick on you, sorry. [04:19] mobile-basic-flash is missing === guardian_ is now known as guardian [04:19] yeah, it's multiverse, so post-universe, unless I bump it. [04:19] seb128: do you have any comments on the revised patch? [04:19] somehow, moblin-keyboard-manager got built, despite libhildon-desktop0 being missing [04:19] Mithrandir: no problem ;) I've been around just not typing on IRC ;) [04:19] Mithrandir: looking [04:19] is that because it was bootstrapped partway on i386? [04:20] mdz: apt-get probably. I think we still have the evil apt hack in place which will pull binaries from i386 if they don't exist on lpia [04:20] Adam talked about removing that soon, since we should now be mostly out of circular build-dep-land. [04:21] Mithrandir: That's correct for what Adam told me. [04:23] Mithrandir: where is the revised patch? [04:24] Yeay! BUILDING lpia build of mouseemu 0.15-8ubuntu1 in ubuntu gutsy RELEASE (AUTO) [04:24] seb128: it's just changing 4,3 => 4,2 in debian/patches/67_gcc43-inline.patch [04:24] seb128: I can give you a debdiff if you want, but it seems slightly overkill. :-) [04:24] Mithrandir: and renaming it to ..._gcc42-inline.patch ;-) [04:24] Mithrandir: looks good to me [04:24] feel free to upload if you didn't do it yet [04:25] you did; excellent ;) [04:26] mdz: I left the name, but changed the comment at the top saying "gcc 4.2 and 4.3" [04:26] well, changed it so it now says "4.2 and 4.3" at least. [04:27] asac: midbrowser seems to ftbfs on lpia [04:28] asac: http://rafb.net/p/tqu4B040.html === agoliveira never saw so many acronyms in life: ftbfs? fail to build... something? [04:29] fails to build from source [04:30] Well, almost got it :) [04:30] agoliveira: just keep asking; I'm happy to expand them for you. [04:30] Mithrandir: I will. [04:30] Thanks [04:31] lpia is building norwegian support. Who needs that? :) [04:31] Mithrandir: yes [04:31] agoliveira: :-P [04:31] ;) [04:31] Mithrandir: it needs the fix that we gave firefox [04:31] e.g. build with gcc-4.1 [04:32] asac: ok, can you do it or do you have a fix? [04:32] I'm going lunch now or wont' make it time for the meeting. [04:32] agoliveira: BenC once said this "[Tue Jul 3 2007] [17:17:33] yeah, TMI, IMO, KWIM" [04:32] i can do it ... what bothered me more so far was to get the mobile-flash thing build against midbrowser intead of xulrunner [04:33] amitk_: Damn :) === matt_c_ [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:33] Mithrandir: anyway ... i still hope to get toolchain people fix the gcc bug that makes all mozillas fail to build on gcc-4.2 [04:33] asac: get gtkmozembed to build against midbrowser, I presume? [04:33] yes [04:33] that'd be nice, so we don't have to ship two browsers. :-) [04:34] well atm it only works with xulrunner [04:34] which we almost certainly don't want to use [04:35] is that hard to fix? [04:35] (sorry for asking clueless questions.) === dantalizing [n=dan@n128-227-48-160.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:54] Mithrandir: what's the next problem up the stack with lpia? [04:54] midbrowser blocks mobile-basic-flash [04:54] but asac's working on that [04:55] ok, anything else? [04:56] yay, installing gtk2-engines-sapwood made it all look quite a lot better. [04:56] Mithrandir: the problem is that someone has to do that ... so far carl is supposed to look into that [04:56] asac: I was just talking about the build fix, not making the mobile browser great. [04:57] asac: afaik, that's something you would be better at doing? [04:57] I think moblin-image-creator needs some adjustments to know how to do lpia; I'll discuss that at the meeting tonight. [04:57] Mithrandir: no ... mobile-basic-flash is only testable in a image creator created environment [04:57] Mithrandir: which is just overhead for me atm (given that i do all these things mostly in my sparetime) [04:59] asac: I think we are talking about different things here? You're talking about getting gtkmozembed fixed, aren't you? [05:00] Mithrandir: yes ... getting mobild-basic-flash use midbrowser [05:00] before that ... "midbrowser blocks mobile-basic-flash" is a wrong statement [05:00] no, it's not. mobile-basic-flash build-depends on midbrowser. [05:01] well ... look at the Depends: ... libxul0 [05:01] Mithrandir: anyway ... midbrowser will be uploaded tomorrow, ok? [05:02] mdz: http://err.no/tmp/screenshot-ume-lpia-2.png, btw. [05:02] asac: mind if I just do it myself, then? [05:02] no ... if you update bzr branch i am fine [05:02] you can get the commit from firefox branch [05:02] what are the branch urls? [05:02] Mithrandir: I just ran an ubuntu-meta update to see what's become available on lpia since the last one, and it wants to remove mobile-basic-flash. is that expected? [05:02] mdz: no, that's not expected. [05:03] Mithrandir: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x ... commit 82 [05:03] Removed mobile-basic-flash from mobile-i386, mobile-amd64, mobile-powerpc, mobile-ia64, mobile-sparc [05:03] Mithrandir: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/midbrowser/ubuntu [05:03] due to: ? Unknown mobile package: mobile-basic-flash [05:03] mobile-basic-flash | 0.4 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc [05:04] mobile-basic-flash | 0.4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages [05:04] I wonder why germinate is thinking that it's unknown then. [05:04] multiverse vs. universe? [05:04] source in multiverse, binaries in universe [05:04] well, that's not right, but it's been that for a while, I think [05:04] been like that, even [05:05] asac: thanks, I'll see what I can get done, then [05:05] Mithrandir: (I was afk) Which patch do you mean? The one allowing glib to build on gcc 4.2? [05:05] It has some logic to detect the compilrr IIRC [05:05] lool: yes, or rather, expanding the 4.3 check to cover 4.2 too. Seb's answered, but thanks. [05:06] http://paste.debian.net/34773 [05:07] Mithrandir: Ah so this works for gcc 4.2 too? [05:08] lool: notice that the duplicate Debian bug was reporting the failure with gcc 4.2 [05:08] Mithrandir: But #define G_INLINE_FUNC extern inline was working with 4.2 I think [05:09] lool: it was needed to get some hildon packages building on lpia. [05:09] Mithrandir: that was the Packages file, so i386 binaries are in multiverse at least [05:10] mdz: not according to rmadison, but I guess somebody might have moved them [05:10] mdz: Yeah #424557 was for 4.2; I thought it was working for 4.2, but obviously not [05:10] I'll extend the check to 4.2 too; thanks! [05:10] mdz: seems like somebody corrected the component mismatches === ian_brasil [n=ian@dasasob.nokia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:12] 16:26 < Mithrandir> mdz: I left the name, but changed the comment at the top saying "gcc 4.2 and 4.3" [05:12] I did exactly the same :) [05:12] Mithrandir: ok i have a few minutes after a short break ... will upload midbrowser then. [05:15] thanks === sabotage [i=sabotage@nat/intel/x-3a8d873d8ee5ecb7] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Sciri [n=sean@fw.pepper.com] has joined #Ubuntu-Mobile === kinik [n=Gary@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-cad57b637c8694b4] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549570E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rustyl [n=Rusty@c-76-27-226-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:54] Mithrandir: Accepted midbrowser 0.1.6a-0ubuntu2 [05:54] Mithrandir: will you ping infinity to give it a spin on lpia? [05:55] asac: yay, thanks. [05:55] yes, will do. [05:59] hi Charlie, Rusty. [05:59] kwwii: I'd like to chat with you about keyboard layouts at some point, but probably not during the meeting. === agoliveira waves all [06:00] Mithrandir: ok, I'll be around between this meeting and the distro team meeting later [06:00] kwwii: excellent. [06:00] hello all.. morning/evening/whatever === agoliveira needs a coffee... yawn... [06:00] Mithrandir: Hello - Did your Menlow systems arrive yet? [06:00] Charliefjohnson: no. :-( [06:01] Charliefjohnson: is there any kind of tracking you or Mauri can do on your end? [06:01] Mithrandir: I'll have to check. Did you get tracking info ?? [06:01] hello all [06:02] Charliefjohnson: yes. We can discuss this after the meeting? [06:02] Mithrandir: Are you going to use mootbot? [06:02] oh, it's here. === mawhalen [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-7afaf02a530c3a3a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:02] #startmeeting [06:02] Meeting started at 15:55. The chair is Mithrandir. [06:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] [06:02] Yep :) [06:02] Mithrandir: I asked them to bring it in here [06:02] woo [06:03] I hadn't noticed. [06:03] cool bot [06:03] mawhalen joined [06:03] hiya Mauri. Still no sign of the menlow systems, btw. :-( [06:03] I'll try to track it right now [06:03] thanks. === agoliveira know how this feels very well [06:04] Bryce has one. (i.e. a Menlow) can you remotely access? [06:04] unless he has a full ip-enabled KVM setup at his house, I don't think so. [06:04] so, given only Amit and I've submitted status reports, we'll do status updates on the other specs, then any other business. [06:05] Mithrandir: I asked Waldo to send an update on hw decode to the mailing list. Probably hasn't seen it yet. === horaceli [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-275ce4b0ebec7d8d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:06] I'll try to get the reminder out on Wednesday next week, so people will hopefully see it and act on it. [06:06] rob is here as well [06:06] asac: are you around? [06:06] sure [06:07] Mithrandir: I'll ping Waldo, Henry and Hari to make sure they post updates on Wed. from now on. [06:07] Charliefjohnson: thanks. [06:07] anybody know where Bob is? [06:07] or who are local to him and can phone him. [06:07] I'll find him [06:08] Mithrandir: just summon me when we get to browser ... === SteveA [n=steve@canonical/launchpad/SteveA] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:08] asac: I was planning on starting with browser. [06:08] since it's at the top of the list [06:08] [TOPIC] midbrowser status [06:08] Mithrandir: oop, it will only listen to you [06:08] [TOPIC] midbrowser status [06:08] New Topic: midbrowser status === bspencer [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-72b5daa61f4b121d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:08] mdz: yeah, we should get them to remove the ACL stuff; it's not really needed. [06:08] mootbot is monogamic :) [06:09] bspencer: good morning. :-) [06:09] morning === bspencer_ [i=bob@nat/intel/x-51d9d16bcde46f6d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:09] bspencer: can you and asac give us an update on browser status? [06:09] bspencer: Hi [06:09] new midbrowser package was just uploaded that should build on lpia [06:09] asac, I played with it a little and it looks like it is making good progress [06:09] from upstream development i made not much progress, because i was busted bringing my other specs in beta for feature freeze [06:10] (in laste week) [06:10] bspencer: can we talk after the meeting a bit? [06:10] sure [06:10] I noticed that with the bits we have in gutsy, the browser can't be launched from the home screen, though it works from the command line [06:10] carl said you wanted to talk about the value of Hildon window [06:10] mdz: thats interesting ... do you see any errors? [06:10] mdz: I think I fixed that with the new mobile-application-service, which fixed the path, but I haven't actually tested it yet.. [06:10] mdz, ? I'll fix that today [06:10] asac: I wouldn't know where to look [06:11] mdz, i bet the problem is in the home applet conf.xml file [06:11] is there an error log for the X session? [06:11] a simple change, but sorry it is broken [06:11] /usr/share/mobile-basic-flash/conf.xml [06:11] ~/.xession-errors [06:11] no, I looked th ere [06:11] there [06:11] mdz, unlikely that you would see an error in a log. But you could always hit Shift and see the error window in the flash [06:11] there is no ~/.xsession-errors, at least not with the daily image builds [06:12] hm, there should be now. I'll investigate. [06:12] bspencer: ah, is that what activates that...I did that inadvertently recently [06:12] bspencer: It does not seem to be working anymore. [06:12] I mean the shift [06:12] [ACTION] tfheen to check up on daily image build status (and ping Adam for logfiles again) [06:12] ACTION received: tfheen to check up on daily image build status (and ping Adam for logfiles again) [06:12] the flash should be better behaved and log errors. We'll do that [06:12]