[12:35] <ScottK> mok0: No problem.
[12:54] <RainCT> good night
[01:15] <jmg> so
[01:15] <jmg> was revu hosted on zambesi?
[01:31] <Zombie> Is there a Hugo Package in Ubuntu?
[01:32] <Adri2000> hi Zombie
[01:32] <Zombie> Hi.
[01:32] <Zombie> I'm needing some Applications packaged for Fiesty.
[01:33] <Adri2000> accoring to apt-cache search, there isn't any package called *hugo* or containing hugo in its description
[01:33] <Adri2000> according*
[01:33] <Zombie> freedroidrpg, hugo, sdlmame
[01:33] <Zombie> Have any suggestions to rectify this?
[01:34] <Adri2000> package it
[01:35] <Zombie> I'm not familiar with your packaging arch.
[01:35] <Zombie> I'm only familiar with RPM
[01:35] <Adri2000> file a needs-packaging bug
[01:35] <Adri2000> let me find the wiki page
[01:36] <Adri2000> Zombie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[01:45] <mohammad> would someone please let me know where I can find a gnome applet developing howto?
[02:19] <sooth> Anybody know how to get debarchiver working on Ubuntu?
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:51] <RAOF> Heya bddebian!
[02:51] <bddebian> Hello RAOF
[02:52] <RAOF> Hey, if I took Xgl and turned it into not-a-bzr branch for you, would you like to review it?
[02:52] <bddebian> heh
[02:52] <bddebian> I'll pull from bzr if you want but last time I couldn't build it that way??
[02:52] <RAOF> It's available, but it's got a 5mb diff, sadly.
[02:52] <bddebian> Egads
[02:52] <RAOF> (Yay for autotools)
[02:53] <RAOF> 5mb worth of configure, Makefiles, et al.
[02:53] <RAOF> 1K worth of changes you might actually want to review.
[02:53] <RAOF> If I had been thinking right, I may have just b-d'd on autotools.
[02:54] <bddebian> How do I force debian/rules to use bash?  Just !/bin/bash ??
[02:54] <bddebian> RAOF: Where is it?
[02:54] <RAOF> bddebian: cooperteam.net
[02:55] <RAOF> I'll grab a dgettable link for you, if you like.
[02:55] <RAOF> http://www.cooperteam.net/xserver-xgl_1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:55] <bddebian> Nah, that's Ok as long as .diff.gz, .dsc, and tarball are there?
[02:55] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:58] <bddebian> Oh how novel, downloaded already.. :-)
[02:58] <bddebian> Brb, need a smoke
[02:59] <bddebian> Hmm, did I grab the wrong one?  diff.gz is only 700Kb
[02:59] <RAOF> The unpacked diff is 5 mb
[02:59] <RAOF> Not the gzipped one.
[02:59] <bddebian> Oh, yeah, duh.. sheesh
[03:05] <bddebian> do be do be dooo
[03:05] <RAOF> bddebian: You might want to check that I've got the right XS-vcs-bzr line in debian/control.  I think that what you've got should have it, but I only remembered to add it recently.
[03:06] <bddebian> RAOF: Yeah I'll be sure to check that its in there.. ;-P
[03:12] <bddebian> RAOF: I don't think xgl has enough build-deps ;-P
[03:12] <RAOF> bddebian: It's only a page long at 80x24 :P
[03:13] <bddebian> Mez!!!!!!
[03:14] <bddebian> :-)
[03:14] <Mez> bddebian, !!!
[03:15] <bddebian> How have you been?
[03:15] <StevenK> RAOF: Ouch!
[03:17] <RAOF> StevenK: What's that in reference to, the b-ds or the 5mb diff? :)
[03:17] <Mez> bddebian - am good other than my install being forked to hell
[03:17] <bddebian> :-(
[03:17] <bddebian> StevenK: Gonna do gem next? :-)
[03:17] <StevenK> RAOF: Both
[03:18] <RAOF> Heh
[03:18] <Mez> bddebian, cant boot unless i use the feisty kernel, and everything is evil when I dont use it
[03:18] <Mez> time for a reinstall I think
[03:18] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:19] <Mez> and is evil when I use it (pidgin wont even run!)
[03:19] <RAOF> Mez: Yeah, that's bitten me too.  Empathy works :)-
[03:21] <bddebian> RAOF: How long does it usually take for you to build?
[03:22] <RAOF> Last build took 7 minutes.
[03:23] <gouki> Anyone working on a package for vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux? It would be great to have this on the repositories.
[03:23] <bddebian> 7 minutes? Sheesh, what type of machine do you have?
[03:23] <RAOF> Athlon 64 3500+, 1 Gb ram?
[03:23] <RAOF> That was with all the b-d's cached locally.
[03:23] <ajmitch> RAOF: and sbuild instead of pbuilder?
[03:24] <RAOF> ajmitch: Totally
[03:24] <ajmitch> I presume that pbuilder-satisfydepends would take about 7 minutes by itself
[03:24] <Mez> RAOF... empathy?
[03:24] <RAOF> ajmitch: If you weren't using -gdebi, yes.
[03:25] <RAOF> Mez: Telepathy-based IM client.
[03:25] <ajmitch> I've had problems with -gdebi in the past
[03:25] <Mez> well RAOF, to be fair, the ernel isue is a PITa
[03:25] <RAOF> Well, it doesn't check versioning, certainly.
[03:25] <Mez> RAOF: any good?
[03:25] <RAOF> Mez: Eh.  It works.  I don't really ask much of my IM clients, frankly.
[03:26] <Mez> I wub pidgin tho
[03:27] <Mez> RAOF: failed to launch
[03:27] <bddebian> Me either since I don't use any :-)
[03:27] <RAOF> Mez: Well, ...
[03:28] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/pareg156.html
[03:30] <RAOF> Mez: Go file a "empathy should depend on dbus-x11" bug :)
[03:30] <Mez> ;)
[03:31] <Mez> RAOF: cant be botehrd..
[03:31] <Mez> lol
[03:31] <Mez> I'm just downloading tribe 4
[03:34] <bddebian> RAOF: I assume all the missing manpages are expected?
[03:34] <bddebian> bbiam
[03:34] <RAOF> bddebian: Yes :(
[03:34] <RAOF> I'm working (slowly) on them.
[03:35] <RAOF> But *nothing* in X has a manpage!
[03:44] <StevenK> Yay. Success.
[03:44] <StevenK> $WORK's new vmware server is up and racked.
[03:56] <bddebian> StevenK: Tomorrow for my time zone ;-P
[03:56] <bddebian> RAOF: NP.  This is the only other linda warning I see: W: xserver-xgl; Long descriptions contains short description.
[03:59] <Mez> RAOF, got empathy working but it wants a server name
[03:59] <Mez> snd i wanna use Yahoo
[04:00] <RAOF> bddebian: Oh.  I didn't change the descriptions, but I can change that if you like.
[04:01] <bddebian> RAOF: Not a bigge.  I think there are some licenses on the planet that aren't include in debian/copyright ;-P
[04:01] <RAOF> bddebian: Heh.
[04:03] <bddebian> Do the .desktop files really belong in /usr/share/xsessions?
[04:04] <StevenK> bddebian: I doubt it.
[04:04] <RAOF> bddebian: That's where xsession files go, and xsession files are desktop files.
[04:05] <bddebian> But you have seperate xsession files, no?
[04:06] <RAOF> bddebian: You'll notice that /usr/share/xsessions contains gnome.desktop, the gnome session.
[04:06] <bddebian> OK
[04:06] <RAOF> bddebian: No.  I have separate *wrapper* scripts, because our xsession runner can't handle passing parameters.
[04:08] <bddebian> Well it looks fine to me.  I don't know (hope to God) you don't need all the copyright holders for the xprint stuff :)
[04:09] <bddebian> BTW, the XSBC-Vcs crap is NOT in debian/control
[04:09] <RAOF> bddebian: Ah, curses.
[04:09] <RAOF> It is in the bzr branch, I believe.
[04:23] <bddebian> RAOF: Unfortunately I can't install to test it currently but the packaging/building is fine
[04:24] <RAOF> bddebian: Ok.  Thanks.
[04:24] <RAOF> Hm.  How is this going to work, re uploading?
[04:26] <RAOF> I'll fix the description warning, and make sure the vcs-bzr line is in there before I worry too much more about that, I guess.
[04:29] <bddebian> Holy crap 7009 New bugs :-(
[04:30] <ScottK> It's OK.  Kmos filed probably 7003 of them of which 2 are valid.
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[04:31] <ajmitch> harsh :)
[04:32] <ScottK> Hey, I gave him credit for sometimes getting stuff right.  I'm an optimist at heart.
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:39] <bddebian> I guess it's pointless to look at the "upgrade" bugs a day before UVF eh?
[04:39] <RAOF> Not really.
[04:39] <bddebian> Not really?
[04:39] <RAOF> If there are some necessary ones in there, UVFe!
[04:40] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:41] <bddebian> ScottK: Thanks buddy
[04:43] <RAOF> Indeed.
[04:45] <bddebian> Why is gnunet marked as Fix Committed when it has not been uploaded
[04:46] <ScottK> Probably by mistake.
[04:46] <ScottK> Look in the activity log to see who marked it.
[04:46] <RAOF> ScottK: You can still upload miro before UVF!
[04:46] <ScottK> I don't even know what miro is.
[04:46] <RAOF> ScottK: democracyplayer 0.9.8
[04:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:47] <RAOF> With a swanky new name :P
[04:47] <ScottK> I heard it had a new name, but hadn't heard what it was.
[04:48] <RAOF> Anyway, u-u-s is subscribed to a package for it.
[04:50] <RAOF> Soft!
[04:52] <ScottK> If they get hungry they whine and cry all night long and I get no sleep.
[05:04] <ajmitch> ScottK: I'll have about 20 or so UVF bugs to file for you
[05:04] <ScottK> Any of them worth approving?
[05:04] <ajmitch> they should all be of the sort "package is currently completely broken"
[05:04] <ajmitch> or "here's a nice fat security bug"
[05:04] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[05:05] <ajmitch> but I should upload f-spot now before the deadline
[05:05] <ScottK> Yes, please.
[05:05] <ajmitch> yes we do have a documented approval process
[05:05] <bddebian> Ho hum, what to do next..
[05:06] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[05:06] <ajmitch> MOTU/Processes/UVF redirects there
[05:06] <ajmitch> we have been working on the 2 ACKs needed for UVFe
[05:07] <ajmitch> oh, and you probably want to change that to subscribe the motu-uvf team rather than assign :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> motu-uvf team member who gives the 2nd ACK should confirm the bug
[05:07] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[05:09] <ScottK> You gotta run to win.
[05:09] <ajmitch> why?
[05:10] <ScottK> You're quit capable and then maybe fewer people would've voted for me and I'd have lost.
[05:11] <ajmitch> there were 5 candidates for 5 slots
[05:11] <ajmitch> it would be very hard for you to lose
[05:11] <ajmitch> I doubt that many would have voted for me :)
[05:11] <ScottK> Right.  That's why I was hoping for more qualified people to run.
[05:12] <ajmitch> you're qualified enough
[05:12] <ScottK> I mostly jumped on to make sure we'd be able to fill all the slots.
[05:12] <ScottK> Sure.
[05:12] <ajmitch> because I think an important qualification should be "works on ubuntu"
[05:14] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: last I saw you weren't going for the motu-uvf team either
[05:14] <ScottK> Well you've certainly been around less, but I'd like to see that change.
[05:14] <ajmitch> ScottK: oh no, I've been around a lot
[05:14] <ScottK> Don't worry though, I'm used to not getting what I want.
[05:14] <ajmitch> just not doing anything :)
[05:14] <ScottK> OK.
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: nope
[05:15] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: How goes son of the son of Nvu (whatever it is called)?
[05:15] <StevenK> ScottK: You don't really trust yourself to be on -uvf?
[05:15] <ScottK> Well I've been doing less lately too.
[05:15] <ScottK> StevenK: I do, just management stuff like that isn't fun.
[05:15] <ScottK> I'll do it well, I just won't particularly enjoy it.
[05:15] <ajmitch> StevenK: he foolishly thinks I'd be a better choice
[05:16] <StevenK> Heh
[05:16] <ScottK> His primary qualification being "He's not me".
[05:16] <StevenK> I don't mind doing it. Based on what I saw last year it isn't too much work.
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Varied.  We have code for a new release, but are going through a few hurdles for packaging.  Additionally, it's still based off of the quite old Aviary mozilla branch, which asac isn't terribly happy about, but which might be too much work to fix for the time being.  I'm still holding onto hope for making the August 30th deadline, but we'll likely need a fair bit of help, since neither Kaze or I know as much as most folks.
[05:17] <ajmitch> StevenK: it wasn't too bad, I managed to do it for a couple of releases
[05:17] <ajmitch> after doing it for that long, why stick my hand up for another round?
[05:17] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Just get it released and uploadable.  Don't dawdle.  You can do bug fixing for a long time....
[05:17] <ScottK> ajmitch: Which is an entirely reasonable reason not to do it.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Right
[05:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: So you didn't stick your hand up because you were sick of it, or because you wanted a break from it?
[05:18] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: People ask me what should I use instead of Nvu and I tend to say, "Uh ..."
[05:19] <ScottK> That's the spirit
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: yeah, my mom is one of those people.
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> !pbuilder
[05:19] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:20] <ScottK> My usual answer is, "Well I use Kate, but for that you actually need to know some HTML."
[05:20] <ajmitch> StevenK: because I was sick of ubuntu work at the time, also
[05:21] <StevenK> How can you possibly get sick of Ubuntu work?
[05:21] <ScottK> Well I've been working up to it recently.
[05:21] <ajmitch> oh I don't know
[05:22] <bddebian> *cough*
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> oh, right - I'll have to update debootstrp
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> *ap
[05:22] <ScottK> Apparently it's totally OK in Ubuntu to go completely insane and cause lots of work for other people as long as you take a break and get sane every few days in between.
 - No kidding this time.
[05:22] <ajmitch> StevenK: besides, you were doing an admirable job doing everything
[05:22] <bddebian> hehe
[05:22] <StevenK> Ha!
[05:23] <StevenK> You jest.
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> Gutsy's debootstrap isn't likely to break anything atm is it?
[05:24] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: If you use the one in feisty-backports it'll work fine in Feisty and do a Gutsy pbuilder no problem.
[05:24] <ScottK> IIRC.
[05:24] <tonyyarusso> aaaah
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: erm, minor problem
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> -backports aren't created until after release.
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> or wait, maybe not
[05:25] <ScottK> That's why I said feisty-backports.
[05:25] <ScottK> You are running Feisty, aren't you?
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> never mind - packages.ubuntu.com has it listed, you just can't search feisty-backports.  Was able to browse to it fine after looking up the section.
[05:31] <ajmitch> oh my, dpkg triggers landed
[05:32] <jmg> wats a trigger
[05:32] <jmg> what
[05:34] <minghua> ajmitch: "oh my" indeed.  Though it's a bit funny to see such a change in a 1.14.5ubuntu3 -> 1.14.5ubuntu4 new version. :-)
[05:34] <ScottK> Quote from #ubuntu-devel earlier today "[14:54]  <iwj> OMG it works and I'm going to upload it.  I wonder where all the bugs are ?"
[05:34] <ScottK> Time is US Eastern.
[05:35] <ajmitch> heh
[05:35] <ScottK> Landed is probably the right word.
[05:35] <ScottK> Any Sendmail users out there?
[05:36] <jmg> Sic transit sendmail.
[05:36] <ajmitch> no thanks, we're sane
[05:36] <minghua> "I'm going to upload it to Ubuntu this evening - only to Ubuntu right now because I'm prioritising meeting the hard deadline of Ubuntu's feature freeze, tomorrow."
[05:37] <minghua> That's from Ian, in http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2007/08/msg00009.html
[05:37] <ScottK> Any recovering Sendmail users out there who remember enough to help me make the dkim-milter init work reasonably for both Postfix and Sendmail?
[05:41] <jmg> Oh, i heart these triggers
[05:44] <StevenK> Me too.
[05:44] <bddebian> Oh joy octave2.9 is "maintained" in Debian svn
[05:45] <StevenK> scrollkeeper being run once during upgrade is nice. Also, I think it makes sense for updating the initramfs, too.
[05:47] <ajmitch> I've had upgrades with update-initramfs being run about 7 or 8 times, which was slightly annoying
[05:48] <StevenK> Agreed.
[05:52] <StevenK> Er, UVF
[05:52] <bddebian> gem?
[05:53] <StevenK> Okay, okay, I'll look at it now.
[05:53] <bddebian> Heh, you don't have to
[05:53] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:55] <StevenK> bddebian: Don't feel bad, I've just looked at 3 other packages anyway.
[06:08] <jmg> where can i get the bzr branch url to use with bzr co?
[06:08] <RAOF> jmg: From launchpad.
[06:08] <RAOF> jmg: Each branch's page has a url to branch from it.
[06:08] <RAOF> Unless you're after something in particular...
[06:09] <jmg> https://launchpad.net/truecrypt-installer
[06:09] <RAOF> Hit the "code" tab.
[06:10] <RAOF> I presume you're after the debian branch; it has url https://code.launchpad.net/~jari-aalto/truecrypt-installer/debian
[06:10] <jmg> That worked ,thanks.
[06:11] <jmg> Wow, bazaar is mighty slow.
[06:11] <bddebian> Nooo, don't do it.. :)
[06:12] <StevenK> Hah
[06:12] <StevenK> RAOF: Just set him on fire, then jmg will be warm for the rest of his life.
[06:17] <jmg> StevenK: i am decarbonised
[06:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: don't tempt him
[06:18] <jmg> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending GET /~jari-aalto/truecrypt-installer/debian/.bzr/branch-format: (110, 'Connection timed out')
[06:19] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:19] <ajmitch> https?
[06:19] <StevenK> bddebian: gem sync filed
[06:19] <ajmitch> I wonder when I'll get my next "you're expiring from a team" email from launchpad
[06:20] <StevenK> ajmitch: Don't go. Stay good. :-)
[06:20] <ajmitch> StevenK: I expire from core-dev in ~3 weeks, iirc
[06:20] <bddebian> doh :-(
[06:20] <bddebian> StevenK: Thanks!
[06:21] <jmg> sniff
[06:21] <jmg> yes
[06:22] <bddebian> Ah yes add SSL encryption over bzr, that ought to speed it up...
[06:22] <ScottK> It's unlikely to make it significantly slower.
[06:22] <bddebian> True, it would be hard to get much slower
[06:25] <bddebian> I'm done, sorry :-)
[06:26] <RAOF> It'll get quite a lot faster with 0.20
[06:26] <ScottK> ajmitch: I don't particularly hate it, I just dislike dealing with yet anothter vcs that is (for my purposes) unique to one project.
[06:26] <ScottK> RAOF: Two times nothing is still ...
[06:26] <RAOF> ...thrashing launchpad!
[06:26] <bddebian> And it will still be overkill for what we do
[06:27] <RAOF> Maybe.  As far as VCSs go, there's stuff about bzr that I miss in every other one.
[06:28] <TheMuso> Well I intend to use bzr as my vcs of choice for some other projects that I will be starting in the near future.
[06:28] <ScottK> RAOF yes, but hardly the point for me.  I have to deal with cvs, svn, and git elsewhere.  I don't want to learn one more just for Ubuntu.
[06:28] <RAOF> ScottK: True.
[06:28] <ScottK> Note that I'm not the one that gets to pick on those projects.
[06:28] <StevenK> Meh, they mostly all fall to common principles.
[06:29] <RAOF> Yeah.  In that respect, it's sub-optimal.
[06:29] <RAOF> StevenK: Well, two broad camps.  Those that make branching hideously painful, and those that don't.
[06:30] <StevenK> I don't mind using cvs, svn and bzr. Like I was saying to someone a few days ago "I also used tla." Their reply was "If you can do useful work with tla, you can use any VCS."
[06:30] <StevenK> RAOF: Branching in SVN is simple. It's merging that's a *PAIN*.
[06:31] <RAOF> StevenK: True.  Similar to falling, really. :P
[06:31] <StevenK> Hah
[06:31] <bddebian> I'm not anti-vcs.  I use cvs often for Hurd stuff I do, I just think it makes absolutely no sense for Universe
[06:32] <StevenK> Mainly because SVN can't seem to deal with a direcory that contains over 15,000 directories.
[06:52] <jmg> s/tla/nwa/
[06:53] <jmg> s/tla/tna/
[06:54] <StevenK> mwolson: I got sick of the community surrounding it, Tom Lord himself, and the fact that it would break regularly.
[08:05] <StevenK> I don't even get an error message - just no sound, which is what's irritating.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> wow, i'm actually putting something together which isnt a direct sponsorship and upload
[09:32] <pygi> Hobbsee, :)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> this feels really weird
[09:33] <Hobbsee> it's still a request from someone else though
[09:33] <pygi> :P
[09:36] <Hobbsee> err....a build-depend on g++?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> er, gcc, that is
[09:36] <pygi> :P
[09:37] <Hobbsee> oh, twitch.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> the last version b-d's on gcc too, which is currently in ubuntu
[09:38] <pygi> :P
[09:41] <Hobbsee> pygi: it's a "the author hasnt listed his email address" rather than a "there are files there that are under a different licence not listed in debian/copyright"
[09:41] <pygi> oh well
[09:43] <Hobbsee> these scripts have moved, or something.....
[09:43] <Hobbsee> oh, wait.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> this is what happens when you rm -rf *
[09:45] <pygi> Hobbsee, you think we should get "Cheese" in the repositories? :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> pygi: maybe :)
[09:45] <pygi> Hobbsee, we have it already o.O
[09:46] <pygi> seriously outdated tho :P
[09:46] <pygi> Hobbsee, are we under UVF already, or not yet?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> pygi: i dont think so
[09:46] <Hobbsee> that's why i'm uploading this this afternoon
[09:46] <pygi> Hobbsee, wohooo :) Then you can upload for me :)
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hah.
[09:47] <Hobbsee> i said i wasnt doing sponsoring stuff, i've been looking at that damned queue too much already.
[09:47] <pygi> Hobbsee, I'm sure you'll help :)
[09:52] <Hobbsee> right, that's uploaded.
[09:53] <Hobbsee> morning norsetto
[09:53] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i was going to upload norsetto's patch too.
[09:53] <Hobbsee> apart from that, i'm not doing any more sponsoring :P
[09:53] <norsetto> morning :-)
[09:54] <pygi> Hobbsee, but ofcourse you are !
[09:56] <Hobbsee> norsetto: compiling
[09:57] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Is miro on your queue at all? ;)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: definetly not.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: have you written that mail yet?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: although, if i ignore it, you'll just file a UVFe, and i'll have to look at the bugger anyway, wont i?
[09:57] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Totally.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you suck.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:58] <RAOF> Actually, it may not be UVFe worthy.
[09:58] <RAOF> Really.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> oh, excellent!
[09:58] <RAOF> Actually, there are some annoying bugs fixed.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> RAOF: how crackful is it?
[09:58] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No more cracfull than the democracyplayer that's already in the archives.
[09:59] <RAOF> Actually, a little less so.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, i've just had an evil thought.
[09:59] <RAOF> It's slowly moving away from reimplementing private DBUS methods.
[09:59] <pygi> somebody crashed my panel again o.O
[10:00] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you never saw my core dev app, presumably?
[10:00] <RAOF> True, I didn't.
[10:00] <Hobbsee> RAOF: mithrandir volunteered me, as i refused to put myself forward.
[10:01] <RAOF> Oh.
[10:01] <Hobbsee> hehe :
[10:01] <Hobbsee> * :)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[10:02] <Hobbsee>   imlib_1.9.15-3ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[10:02] <Hobbsee>   imlib_1.9.15.orig.tar.gz: done.
[10:02] <Hobbsee>   imlib_1.9.15-3ubuntu1.diff.gz: done.
[10:02] <Hobbsee>   imlib_1.9.15-3ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:02] <Hobbsee> hurrah, thanks norsetto!
[10:02] <norsetto> cool!
[10:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF: okay, where's this crack-infested thing?
[10:04] <RAOF> Hobbsee: In the u-u-s queue, I believe.
[10:04] <Hobbsee> then it was unhelpful to delete my u-u-s email, i take it
[10:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/democracyplayer be shrunk with the new version?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> or you're utilising the closing by changelog function?
[10:05] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I am closing with changelog.
[10:05] <RAOF> But I don't think many of those bugs are actually valid.
[10:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: cool :)
[10:06] <RAOF> Like specto, my packages don't have bugs :P
[10:07] <RAOF> (This is a bare-faced lie)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:07] <Hobbsee> i saw the specto stuff
[10:07] <Zombie> Any packagers I'd like to negotiate with?>
[10:08] <RAOF> Specto doesn't have bugs, though.  At least after I patched some of the totally broken stuff :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> negotiate with?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: :)
[10:10] <Zombie> I have some applications that I have in RPM format I'd like to see packaged as Debs for Fiesty in an expediant manner.
[10:10] <Zombie> They are open source applications.
[10:10] <RAOF> Not going into Feisty, at this point.  You *may* get them into gutsy, although you're cutting it fine.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> they wouldnt go into the archives, if they were for feisty
[10:11] <RAOF> If however you're just after packages you can poke people with, that should be ok.
[10:11] <Zombie> In particular freedroidrpg, hugo, sdlmame (thats not the same as XMame) vavoom
[10:12] <\sh> Zombie, are you hosting those rpms on opensuse build service eventually?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Zombie: are you interested in packaging them yourself, or finding others to do them?
[10:12] <Zombie> Well, I already have packages as SRPMs.
[10:12] <Zombie> Not Binary RPMs
[10:12] <Zombie> I need someone to help me "convert" them.
[10:13] <Zombie> Alien isn't suitible for this task.
[10:13] <\sh> Zombie, put those packages into opensuse build service (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service and I will take a look if they are feasable to include them into Ubuntu
[10:15] <\sh> moins jono
[10:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: how long does miro take to build?
[10:15] <RAOF> Not very long.
[10:15] <RAOF> Actually, that's a lie.
[10:15] <RAOF> It's C++, built twice (once per pyversion)
[10:15] <RAOF> I can check my buildlogs.
[10:15] <jono> heya
[10:16] <Hobbsee> yummy
[10:16] <Hobbsee> it's ok
[10:16] <Hobbsee> it'll finish at some point
[10:16] <Zombie> sdlmame is in there but its older.
[10:17] <norsetto> I've got a new package in REVU, sitting there since a month. Its pretty much ready for upload, but, will it make it for gutsy?
[10:17] <\sh> Zombie, so talk to the maintainer of the project and ask them to help them to update...I can take a look at the updated source then
[10:17] <RAOF> Apparently 1 minute 20, as far as sbuild is concerned.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> norsetto: ENOREVU :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go
[10:17] <Zombie> Damn it.
[10:17] <Zombie> I have enough problems with the Mandriva Cooker as it is.
[10:18] <norsetto> yeah, exactly
[10:19] <Zombie> How well will Fiesty run a Mandriva Build? Some of these are PLF applications./
[10:20] <Zombie> I('m finding a few are deliberately not listed because they are PLF.
[10:20] <\sh> Zombie, the build-deps and deps have to be changed for debian/ubuntu anyways...
[10:21] <Zombie> This is pissing me off.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> RAOF:
[10:21] <Hobbsee> sarah@liquified:/var/cache/pbuilder/result$ linda miro_0.9.8.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:21] <Hobbsee> E: miro; No manual page for binary miro.real.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> W: miro; Binary /usr/lib/python-support/miro/python2.5/miro/MozillaBrowser.so compiled with an RPATH of /usr/lib/firefox.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> RAOF: is the latter intentional?
[10:22] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No, it isn't.
[10:22] <pygi> Hobbsee, so want to review & upload? :)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: did you want to fix it?
[10:23] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I did, but I couldn't actually see how to.
[10:23] <TheMuso> There is a utility that can strip them.
[10:23] <RAOF> Really?
[10:23] <TheMuso> I can't remember what its called, but its a build-dep for speechd-up if you want to find out.
[10:23] <RAOF> Awesome.
[10:24] <TheMuso> chrpath
[10:24] <TheMuso> is what its called
[10:24] <TheMuso> RAOF: you can use apt-cache showsrc to check build-deps.
[10:24] <TheMuso> chrpath will do what you want.
[10:25] <RAOF> TheMuso: Merely by having it installyd?
[10:25] <RAOF> Surely there's a need to call it?
[10:25] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yes, in debian/rules.
[10:25] <TheMuso> speechd-up's rules file uses it.
[10:25] <RAOF> Hence the apt-get source :)
[10:25] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:26] <TheMuso> Here is some reading for those who want to know more. http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue
[10:27] <LucidFox> UVF has occurred, hasn't it?
[10:27] <pygi> LucidFox, no
[10:27] <TheMuso> Not yet.
[10:27] <TheMuso> Just under 12 hours.
[10:27] <TheMuso> pygi: Bug #?
[10:27] <LucidFox> gah, so only a few hours remain?
[10:28] <norsetto> I'm really pissed off, that package has been sitting there for a month, ready to upload
[10:28] <TheMuso> Is it in uus?
[10:29] <TheMuso> pygi: oh just got the mail. I'm on it.
[10:29] <pygi> TheMuso, bug 132881
[10:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132881 in cheese "[needs review]  Cheese 0.2.0 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132881
[10:29] <pygi> TheMuso, thanks ;)
[10:30] <TheMuso> norsetto: What bug/
[10:31] <norsetto> TheMuso: bug 121301
[10:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121301 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gnome-mplayer" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121301
[10:31] <pygi> does anyone here use banshee? I'm considering updating it
[10:31] <TheMuso> norsetto: It says fix committed. Whats the problem?
[10:32] <norsetto> TheMuso: its commited because the package is ready for upload, but if nobody uploads it.....
[10:32] <TheMuso> norsetto: Gotcha. Will have a look after cheese is done.
[10:32] <norsetto> TheMuso: I don't know if you can with REVU down?
[10:33] <TheMuso> ah its on revu... right
[10:34] <norsetto> TheMuso: I can just pack up .dsc .diff.gz and orig.tar.gz and upload it somewhere if it may help
[10:35] <TheMuso> norsetto: Yes, it would, if they are the same as what was on revu.
[10:35] <norsetto> TheMuso: they are, but have my word only for that
[10:35] <TheMuso> Yeah true.
[10:37] <norsetto> TheMuso: I think you actually reviewed it yourself (but might be worng), I remember Emmet and Daniel (Emmet was ready to upload but we wanted to have upstream correct a couple of things, which they did)
[10:37] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[10:37] <TheMuso> Without revu its hard to know exactly where things stand.
[10:37] <TheMuso> I don't think new package freeze is for a while yet anyway.
[10:37] <norsetto> TheMuso: indeed
[10:37] <TheMuso> But don't hold me to that.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: in that case, i'd just sanitycheck the package again, and upload it.
[10:38] <TheMuso> Ok.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: because we know that norsetto's stuff is good anyway.  people can always audit again after it hits the repos, if the advocaters were incorrect
[10:39] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Very true.
[10:39] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: this si where the "follow the idea of the law, not the letter of the law" comes in
[10:39] <TheMuso> yep
[10:40] <TheMuso> pygi: Just running cheese through a test build.
[10:40] <norsetto> sorry to be pain, its just a waste to have it let go
[10:40] <TheMuso> norsetto: Not at all.
[10:41] <TheMuso> Since REVU has been down, new package work has kinda crumbled.
[10:41] <TheMuso> And it will be nice to get a GNOME frontend for mplayer in.
[10:41] <TheMuso> IMO
[10:41] <norsetto> :-)
[10:42] <norsetto> I shouldn't say it perhaps, but I think upstream did a nice job, and they responded very quickly too (which I can't say of some others....)
[10:43] <norsetto> :-X
[10:43] <TheMuso> norsetto: Great.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it'd be worth at least discussing a delay in new package freeze, due to REVU down
[10:43] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yeah it would.
[10:44] <RAOF> Hobbsee: A special "rpath must die" build of miro is now starting...
[10:44] <TheMuso> RAOF: heh
[10:44] <pygi> TheMuso, oki, did that, but I know you have to test :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> RAOF: \o/
[10:45] <TheMuso> pygi: I am sure you did, but it doesn't hurt.
[10:45] <pygi> TheMuso, yup, I know =)
[10:46] <TheMuso> bah. Dep problems for my chroot.
[10:46] <pygi> TheMuso, sorry ^_^
[10:46] <TheMuso> pygi: Its not your fault.
[10:46] <TheMuso> pygi: My chroot needs an update. Usually once a day is enough. :)
[10:47] <pygi> TheMuso, yea, but you have to bug yourself with such stuff because of me :p
[10:49] <RAOF> Fun fact of the day: miro pulls in libxcb as a build-dep.
[10:56] <TheMuso> back later. Dinner.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> yay, bug squished.
[11:26] <jussi01> Hobbsee: YAY! which one?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> jussi01: the one in my assignment
[11:41] <RAOF> Hobbsee: New miro package on cooperteam.net.  Now with 100% less rpath.
[11:42] <jussi01> grrr, I hate revu being down...
[11:49] <TheMuso> norsetto: I'll get to gnome-mplayer shortly. Was just at dinner.
[11:49] <jussi01> wb TheMuso
[11:49] <TheMuso> Still need to get cheese done.
[11:49] <norsetto> TheMuso: take it easy Luke!
[11:49] <TheMuso> heh
[11:49] <StevenK> TheMuso: Cheese?
[11:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: A package that pygi wanted uploaded.
[11:50] <jussi01> can someone remind me where to find the "new" queue?
[11:50] <StevenK> jussi01: launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[11:51] <jussi01> thanks StevenK
[11:52] <jussi01> hmm, is there a way to grab a package from the new queue?
[11:53] <jussi01> gday jono
[11:53] <jono> hey
[11:53] <TheMuso> norsetto: Was it you who was enquiring about banshee? If so, it was jst synce.
[11:53] <TheMuso> synced
[11:54] <norsetto> banshee!? no
[11:54] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[11:54] <TheMuso> Must have been pygi.
[11:56] <TheMuso> norsetto: Ok looks like I can move onto gnome-mplayer for now, as I need to talk to pygi about something with his package. Have you got a URL to the upstream tarball, and a way to get the diff and the dsc to me?
[11:58] <norsetto> I have the tarball here: http://www.webalice.it/norsetto but I have to activate the site .....
[11:58] <TheMuso> ok
[11:58] <norsetto> and of course the bloody thing refuses to like Konqueror....
[11:58] <TheMuso> haha
[11:59] <TheMuso> norsetto: Sorry, got to run for now but will be back very soon
[11:59] <norsetto> TheMuso: do you know perhaps another web hosting site I can use?
[12:00] <norsetto> TheMuso: ok, see you soon
[12:12] <TheMuso> norsetto: Ok I'm back.
[12:13] <norsetto> OK, I just put up a page in a hurry, now I have to make a correct link :-)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: cool
[12:15] <Hobbsee> !
[12:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: cool!  but with 200% more crack?
[12:15] <norsetto> TheMuso: it should be OK, can you try?
[12:15] <TheMuso> norsetto: Ok. The above URL?
[12:16] <norsetto> yes, or directly http://www.webalice.it/norsetto/gnome-mplayer.tar.gz
[12:17] <TheMuso> norsetto: Got it.
[12:17] <TheMuso> Downloaded and unpacking now.
[12:18] <norsetto> really appreciate what you are doing Luke
[12:18] <TheMuso> thanks
[12:18] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Well, not terribly more crack. :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> RAOF: :)
[12:19] <norsetto> TheMotu :-) haha
[12:19] <TheMuso> heh
[12:19] <TheMuso> ROFL
[12:21] <Zombie> Well.
[12:21] <Zombie> I'd still like to negotiate.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ROFL!
[12:25] <Hobbsee> # RPATH must die!
[12:25] <Hobbsee> find debian/miro/usr/lib -iname '*.so*' -exec chrpath -d '{}' \;
[12:25] <Hobbsee> that's almost as good as #LETS RUN AUTOHELL AGAIN
[12:26] <RAOF> Ok, I could be a *tiny* bit more descriminate :)
[12:27] <TheMuso> RAOF: Like ensuring that the files you are changing are shared objects, and are actually files.
[12:28] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I've got a comment in code at work that reads # Eyes closed now  ; no strict 'subs' ; .... ; # Eyes open. If you can read this, you cheated.
[12:28] <TheMuso> heh
[12:30] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i like it :)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hehe :)
[12:31] <TheMuso> Oh lovely. Broken gnome deps, same issue as with pygi's package.
[12:32] <ajmitch> hello
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch.  please work your magic on the queue
[12:32] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[12:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what magic?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the "removing things from the default view of the queue"
[12:33] <ajmitch> oh, you mean 'mark all as invalid'
[12:33] <ajmitch> can do
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or actually upload bits, too
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the trouble is, if you mark them invalid, someone always goes and unmarks them.
[12:34] <norsetto> TheMuso: Broken gnome deps? Its gnome-mplayer?
[12:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please sync ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132694
[12:35] <TheMuso> norsetto: Somethign in the gnome stack is broken, package wise
[12:35] <Kmos> ajmitch: it's mine :) lol
[12:35] <ajmitch> Kmos: yes, and it's not particularly informative
[12:35] <norsetto> TheMuso: OK, I just rebuild it before uploading, just to make sure, and didn see any problem
[12:36] <TheMuso> hmmm ok
[12:36] <Kmos> i'm member of ddclient project, i talked to debian maintainer to update things there, you can also check the changelog
[12:36] <Kmos> what want more?
[12:36] <Kmos> ajmitch: i don't understand what need more.. "Why?" is not so informative too
[12:37] <Kmos> last ddclient packages for ubuntu are done by myself.
[12:37] <ajmitch> Kmos: the 'why?' is 'why can each of the ubuntu changes be dropped?'
[12:38] <ajmitch> stating that all changes are now included in debian is helpful
[12:38] <Kmos> ajmitch: I know that..
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i think we should have keybuk processing syncs again.  Kmos would get eaten.
[12:38] <ajmitch> preferably listing the changes
[12:38] <ajmitch> heh
[12:38] <Hobbsee> RAOF:
[12:38] <Hobbsee> W: miro: script-not-executable ./usr/share/python-support/miro/miro/feedparser.p                                                          y
[12:38] <Hobbsee> W: miro: script-not-executable ./usr/share/python-support/miro/miro/coverage.py
[12:38] <Hobbsee> W: miro: script-not-executable ./usr/share/python-support/miro/miro/timetemplate                                                          s.py
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ew, that pasted badly
[12:39] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i don't know keybuk
[12:39] <ajmitch> be glad
[12:39] <Hobbsee> yes, be glad.
[12:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: nah, I think iwj would have more fun
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've only ever had keybuk yelling at me about merges.
[12:39] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Ok, lintian clean it is.  Right
[12:39] <Hobbsee> sorry, sync requests
[12:39] <Hobbsee> RAOF: sorry?
[12:39] <TheMuso> If you are in keybuk's good books, he is an absolutely rockin guy. But get in his bad books, as already said........
[12:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: well, it sometimes can be useful :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: (got that from running it on the binaries)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: keybuk didnt have that much of a go at me.
[12:40] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I haven't experienced it myself, but seen one or two responses of his on bug reports.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: colin's are more fun.
[12:41] <Kmos> i like more dr.house =)
[12:41] <TheMuso> Yes, but Colin's seem to feel different to me. His reports feel more quietlyand sternly advising rather than yelling.
[12:41] <TheMuso> I can't imagine Colin ever shouting.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: on some of them...i can :P
[12:42] <ajmitch> heh
[12:42] <ajmitch> such interesting people
[12:45] <Kmos> bug 132694
[12:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please sync ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132694
[12:45] <Kmos> more complete now ?
[12:50] <TheMuso> Ah I see the problem.
[12:50] <TheMuso> dbus is broken.
[12:50] <Riddell> superm1: ping, mythbuntu-meta has a GPL 3 COPYING file but debian/copyright says GPL 2
[12:50] <Riddell> superm1: I'd downgrade it to GPL 2+ so code can be shared with other -meta packages
[12:52] <ajmitch> Kmos: looking at the ubuntu history of the package, I'm seeing previous changes that have been dropped
[12:53] <Kmos> ajmitch: i only see one.. sample file for ubuntu
[12:54] <Kmos> the others are to be fixed on ubuntu package, but are already on debian one
[12:54] <ajmitch> Kmos: I'm referring to ones dropped in the current package by you, such as dh_installinit & ddclient.init changes
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Kmos: listen to him.  he's a core dev.
[12:55] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i'm listening..
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Kmos: he knows what he's talking about
[12:57] <Kmos> ajmitch: it's members.dyndns.org the correct one. only need to refer to dydns.com when it's about the main website/project.
[12:57] <Kmos> so it had some problems with members.dyndns.com that's with my last package
[12:57] <Kmos> and now fixed on debian
[12:58] <ajmitch> ok, I see that your previous upload didn't drop them, you just didn't mention them in the changelog. This sync *would* drop those changes
[12:59] <ajmitch> -       dh_installinit -u multiuser
[12:59] <ajmitch> +       dh_installinit
[12:59] <Kmos> ajmitch: yep..
[12:59] <Kmos> and fix them
[12:59] <ajmitch> why would you revert that change I just pasted?
[12:59] <Kmos> that's on debian package?
[12:59] <Kmos> i didn't touch that
[12:59] <ajmitch> and you're saying that it can be dropped
[01:00] <ajmitch> just because you didn't make that change recently doesn't mean that it wasn't made earlier on, and still worth keeping
[01:01] <Kmos> so I need to do a merge
[01:02] <Kmos> but today is UVF
[01:02] <ajmitch> yep
[01:02] <Kmos> so can't do it
[01:02] <Kmos> ?
[01:02] <ajmitch> why not?
[01:02] <ajmitch> or if they already have
[01:03] <ajmitch> I'm no longer on the motu-uvf team :)
[01:03] <StevenK> Denied. So nyah.
[01:03] <ajmitch> haha
[01:04] <Zombie> Does Ubuntu have a PLF Branch?
[01:04] <Kmos> StevenK: ok :)
[01:04] <Kmos> so I can set bug to Invalid ?
[01:05] <StevenK> Kmos: I was joking - feel free to merge it and ask for sponsorship.
[01:05] <Kmos> :)
[01:06] <Kmos> ajmitch: good night
[01:06] <ajmitch> night
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the freeze is just before the meeting, iirc
[01:17] <jmg> nooo
[01:17] <Hobbsee> jmg: run!
[01:17] <jmg> i need to up elisa 0.3
[01:18] <jmg> but revu is still down\
[01:18] <Hobbsee> get going, then.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> jmg: i'm planning to ask for a delay of new package freeze, due to REVU.
[01:18] <jmg> they can freeze main
[01:19] <Hobbsee> jmg: also, we'll take stuff that was filed before UVF, but wasnt processed before then, at our discression.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> jmg: i dont think it "freezes" per se - as in, with the upload manager required approval
[01:19] <Hobbsee> it's more of a trust thing
[01:20] <Fujitsu> Yeah, we can still upload new UVs as normal, but we might get murdered for it.
[01:21] <norsetto> neah, just tortured ....
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: attacked with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , etc.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: in theory, i'd like for the restriction to go away for the current MOTUs.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> That's the one.
[01:21] <jmg> i waited in #elisa for the supposed umc meeting but it never came
[01:21] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Why so?
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Why? Because they're likely to be more sane?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: exactly
[01:22] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: part of being a MOTU is that you're sane about uploading things, and not breaking them.
[01:22] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: So am I getting this right? You are saying the UVF team should only be for non-motus?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> and if some people cant be responsible with that, then lets throw them off the team until they can do this.
[01:22] <TheMuso> Is that a bit unfair for them?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm getting to that.  the non-MOTU's need sponsorship anyway.  surely the MOTU's who are uploading can look at the proposed upload, and see if it's sane or not.  see the previous part.
[01:23] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> of course, you then have to have a procedure for throwing said people out for a while, which is doable.
[01:24] <TheMuso> Yes.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> they can apply like anyone else - as one of the criteria is not uploading things when they shouldnt be
[01:24] <Hobbsee> and this is testable by the stuff that they upload for sponsorship
[01:26] <jmg> http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/elisa/ source going up now (unsigned)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: TheMuso in the longer term, we're going to have lots more sponsorees, and only a few MOTU's.  we need to spread our resources in the best way
[01:27] <TheMuso> Yep fair enough.
[01:27] <jmg> im working on a dvd plugin that doesnt depend on fluendo
[01:29] <jmg> upload done
[01:40] <jmg> has anyone seen uzuul
[01:41] <norsetto> TheMuso: I'm going for lunch, is there anything I could/should do about gnome-mplayer?
[01:41] <harrisony> !seen uzuul
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen uzuul - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <harrisony> hmm thought the bot had seen
[01:41] <TheMuso> norsetto: No. Dbus is broken, and I just set up a pbuilder to build the package, which seems to avoid init scripts bein gstarted.
[01:42] <TheMuso> so just test installing now.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> harrisony: /msg seenserv seen
[01:42] <norsetto> TheMuso: ok
[01:42] <harrisony> Hobbsee, it was for jmg  :P
[01:42] <Hobbsee> jmg: ^
[01:42] <Hobbsee> harrisony: true.
[01:47] <TheMuso> hmm. Ok gnome-mplayer looks good. I'll upload.
[01:49] <harrisony> sbuild vs pbuilder
[01:51] <TheMuso> heh
[01:52] <Kmos> harrisony: i like more pbuilder :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> no, no, Kmos is in a different corner to me
[01:53] <Kmos> norsetto: she don't like me :-) what you've suggested
[01:53] <Kmos> oh god
[01:55] <harrisony> quick little thing Kmos and Hobbsee why pbuilder and TheMuso why sbuild
[01:55] <harrisony> wait errr not Kmos :P
[01:55] <Hobbsee> sbuild likes falling over randomly.
[01:56] <Fujitsu> sbuild doesn't fall over on me.
[01:56] <RAOF> NOr me
[01:56] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Does sbuild prevent package init script from starting? Or, is it supposed to?
[01:57] <azeem> you could set policy-rc.d in the chroot I guess
[01:58] <azeem> I don't think sbuild prevents init scripts from running
[01:58] <Kmos> harrisony: i'm not black, you can ask me :) lol
[01:58] <Kmos> but not now.. shower time!
[01:58] <harrisony> Kmos, sbuild vs pbuilder vs other
[01:59] <harrisony> hmm, im meeting up with the girl i like before school tomorrow so i better get to bed and sleep!!! night all
[01:59] <TheMuso> haha
[01:59] <TheMuso> harrisony: Good luck.
[02:00] <Kmos> that's a better idea :) else she get bad like Hobbsee sometimes with me
[02:00] <Kmos> :)
[02:00] <harrisony> TheMuso, :P gotta prepare the icing on the cake then im gonna ask her out sometime next week or when i think the icing is done :)
[02:00] <TheMuso> haha
[02:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:00] <Kmos> harrisony: take a compiler error with you.. else you can understand her
[02:01] <Kmos> *can't
[02:01] <Kmos> lolol
[02:01] <harrisony> hah
[02:01] <TheMuso> Ok. Time to process uus.
[02:01] <harrisony> why is #ubuntu-love-advice empty! ok now im sleeping!!
[02:03] <stiV> hi everyone i have my own debian mirror, (self signed etc...) and some own packages. the packages work fine, except one package has an initscript that starts/stops a daemon. (perl) the problem is when i upgrade the package and the daemon is already running when the script tries to start it or already stopped when it tries to stot it the last thing i see is "Hangup". and the package configure fails
[02:03] <stiV> the "Hangup" does not come from the initscript - when i do this manually (stopping multiple times, starting multiple times) everything works ok --- if running, it tells me and if already stopped in tells me that too.
[02:03] <stiV> exit status is always 0 (checked by echoing $? right after the commands)
[02:03] <stiV> anyone have a suggestion how i can get my postinst script to ignore this and just go one (everything works if i remove that starting part, but i want it to do that...!)
[02:03] <stiV> "go one" = "go on"
[02:03] <stiV> ah and i tried to remove the "set -e" --> doesn't help
[02:10] <RAOF> So, we're down to "missing manpage for miro.real"
[02:10] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Is ^^^ a blocker?
[02:10] <ScottK> RAOF: Why doens't is build 2.4 packages?
[02:11] <RAOF> ScottK: Because libboost-python doesn't build 2.4 packages.
[02:12] <ScottK> Hmmm
[02:12] <ScottK> That's OK I guess then.
[02:12] <RAOF> ScottK: This is also the reason there is no Debian miro package yet.  Debian's libboost-python is *also* built against 2.5, but some of miro's other dependencies aren't built against 2.5 yet.
[02:13] <ScottK> You ought to be able whip out a man page in about 5 minutes.  I'd say just get it done.
[02:13] <RAOF> Upshot is: Democracy/miro is broken in debian, not Ubuntu.  Yay for not having to do the python 2.5 transition again!
[02:13] <RAOF> Ok.  Man page before bed!
[02:13] <ScottK> Yeah.  If it's only 2.5 it wouldn't work so well in Debian just now.
[02:14] <miles_> hello all
[02:15] <harrisony> !hi | miles_
[02:15] <ubotu> miles_: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-motu!
[02:15] <ScottK> stiV: Are you stopping the package in a pre-inst before you upgrade?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF: well, it's gutsy, which we do with 2.5, so no
[02:16] <miles_> do any of you guys want to be my mentor?
[02:17] <stiV> the init script is being inserted via debhelpter - so yes it is being stopped (and even if not - i don't want the package to care about that). i found out what the problem is, but i don't know how to solve it: the debhelpter is starting the script using invoke-rc.d (which is ok, i know) - BUT invoke-rc.d returns an exit status of "129", while using /etc/init.d/bla always returns 0 (which i want it to do)
[02:17] <RAOF> Actually, is there any particular reason not to link the miro & miro.real man pages?  How do you do that?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i doubt it
[02:18] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no idea how to, though
[02:19] <ScottK> stiV: Since debhelper doesn't normally exit 129, my advice would be to figure out why it's doing that and not paper over the problem.
[02:20] <stiV> the problem is i have no idea how to find out why it's doing that, the script works and does everything i need (starting, stopping, telling if it is already started or stopped, ...)
[02:20] <stiV> i haven't used invoke-rc.d until now *g*
[02:22] <ScottK> RAOF: The actual content of the man page doesn't need to be much more than something like miro.real is part of the miro package.  It does X.  For more details see Y.
[02:22] <stiV> i ALWAYS get exit status 129 from invoke-rc.d, even if the daemon got started or stopped. the last output is always "Hangup", right after the line that tells me what happened (started, stopped, ...)
[02:22] <stiV> and google isn't helping w. exit status 129 from invoke-rc.d
[02:26] <stiV> it's no the fault of the debhelper script, invoke-rc.d exits with a bad exit status - i just don't know why. any idea how i could find out?? (as i said - everything WORKS, no errors from the daemon, just the "wrong" exit status)
[02:26] <ScottK> stiV: The man page says, "invoke-rc.d always returns the status code returned by the init script."
[02:26] <Hobbsee> norsetto: is it OK by you if i reject your REVU down mail?  it probably more belongs on MOTU ML, and you know the answer nwo anyway
[02:28] <stiV> but if i start the initscript using /etc/init.d/blub start|stop i always get 0
[02:28] <xxxxx1> mornin'
[02:28] <ScottK> stiV: Is there anything in the init script that would cause exit 129?
[02:30] <stiV> hm i have to look - its starting a perl Daemon::Generic
[02:30] <stiV> but as i said - this should always return 0. crap
[02:30] <ScottK> My advice is to look into that and understand it.
[02:30] <ScottK> Should, but isn't.
[02:43] <norsetto> Hobbsee: sorry, was having lunch.... what REVU down mail?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> norsetto: the one you sent to ubuntu-devel@
[02:44] <norsetto> I didn't sent any mail to ubuntu-devel!?
[02:44] <RAOF> Hobbsee: New, 100% lintian & linda clean miro package.
[02:44] <RAOF> Now with added manpage goodness.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> woot!
[02:45] <TheMuso> RAOF: You advertisement junky.
[02:45] <norsetto> somebody has been sending email with my address????
[02:45] <RAOF> Also, 50% less crappy testing framework files shipped.
[02:46] <RAOF> And 20% more less!
[02:46] <Hobbsee> norsetto: oh, bah.  same first name.
[02:46] <norsetto> ha!
[02:46] <norsetto> bloody italians ... all alike :-)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe :
[02:47] <Hobbsee> * :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Hi all there,
[02:47] <Hobbsee> I should upload on Revu a new version of the sdlmame package, but I see the
[02:47] <Hobbsee> usual site is down.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Does anyone know if it did move elsewhere or I should simply wait for it to
[02:47] <Hobbsee> be back online?
[02:48] <norsetto> sdlmame rings a bell; there was a guy whose name was Cesare Franco if I remember it correctly
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:49] <Hobbsee> http://tinyurl.com/27v8fn
[02:53] <TheMuso> ScottK: UVF is not yet in effect.
[02:54] <ScottK> OK.  What time is it then?  If someone is going to go to the trouble if filing UVFe requests, then the least I can do is complain about their inadequacy.
[02:55] <POX_> RAOF: can I have a link to miro.*\.dsc file?
[02:55] <TheMuso> ScottK: I believe it comes into effect a bit before the dev team meeting.
[02:56] <ScottK> OK.
[02:56] <RAOF> POX_: Certainly.
[02:57] <RAOF> POX_: http://cooperteam.net/miro_0.9.8.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:57] <POX_> thanks
[02:57] <RAOF> POX_: Since I don't remember seeing you here before, I presume that's not for a review & sponsor :)
[02:58] <POX_> I can upload to Debian :)
[02:58] <RAOF> Ah.
[02:58] <RAOF> That won't work on debian, you know.
[02:58] <RAOF> python versions and all.
[02:58] <POX_> it will
[02:58] <RAOF> I wouldn't have packaged miro if it could be done in debian.
[02:59] <RAOF> POX_: Allow me to be skeptical :)
[02:59] <POX_> I already sponsored python2.5 & libboost-python pacakes
[02:59] <RAOF> POX_: And all the other packages that miro depends on?
[02:59] <POX_> s/pacakes/packages
[02:59] <RAOF> POX_: You're not Uwe by any chance?
[02:59] <POX_> dunno what miro depends on... yet
[03:00] <POX_> no
[03:00] <POX_> see /whois POX_
[03:00] <ScottK> RAOF: POX is a DD.  If he says he can upload it to Debian, I'd believe him.
[03:00] <RAOF> POX_: It depends on everything that democracyplayer depends on.
[03:00] <RAOF> I'll dig up the BTS links for you, if you like.
[03:01] <RAOF> Oh, I wasn't skeptical about his ability to upload to Debian, I've got no reason to be.
[03:01] <RAOF> Just that it'll *work* :)
[03:01] <RAOF> If so, awesome.
[03:02] <POX_> I'm at work now, but I can send you few comments without building it, though
[03:02] <ScottK> But it's a successor to Democracyplayer.  Is working even relevant?
[03:02] <RAOF> POX_: I'm all ears.
[03:03] <RAOF> (The bug I'm thinking of is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430659 by the way)
[03:03] <ubotu> Debian bug 430659 in democracyplayer "ImportError: /usr/lib/libboost_python-gcc41-mt-1_34.so.1.34.0: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64" [Grave,Open] 
[03:06] <POX_> RAOF: debian/menu -> change section to "Applications/Network/Web News"
[03:07] <RAOF> Done.
[03:07] <norsetto> I just merged imlib yesterday, and now checking the package status I see bug 70367. I could have patched this yesterday ..... do you guys think this is worth updating that package?
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70367 in imlib "imlib1 does not correctly handle 32-bit visuals" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70367
[03:08] <POX_> debian/pyversions: change it to "2.5-" unless it will not work with python2.6 once it will be default in Uuntu
[03:08] <POX_> Ubuntu
[03:08] <RAOF> POX_: It won't work against anything but the version of python that libboost-python is built against.
[03:08] <RAOF> POX_: And that's 2.5
[03:09] <RAOF> At least at the moment.  Also, doesn't 2.5- mean "2.5 or less", rather than 2.5 or 2.6?
[03:10] <ScottK> norsetto: I'd say yes.
[03:10] <POX_> RAOF: no, it means 2.5 and all greater versions
[03:10] <norsetto> ScottK: ok
[03:11] <RAOF> Wow.  Unintuitive.
[03:12] <RAOF> Also odd, since I've seen 2.5- build against 2.5 & 2.4.
[03:12] <RAOF> Maybe I should have a closer look at them.
[03:12] <RAOF> Maybe it's my crappy memory again :)
[03:12] <zul> oh yeah its uvf time isnt it?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> in some hours, yes
[03:14] <ScottK> RAOF: python-support and python-central have different pyversions syntax.
[03:14] <RAOF> Yeah, that's part of what confused me.
[03:14] <ScottK> That may be what's confusing you.
[03:14] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:14] <POX_> RAOF: add "[i386 hurd-i386 netbsd-i386 kfreebsd-i386] " next to python-psyco in Suggests:
[03:15] <RAOF> Also, it's my table-top wargaming geek coming out :)
[03:15] <RAOF> Since it's only built there, check.
[03:17] <RAOF> MOTUs: there's no problem with having the useless arch's in there, right?
[03:17] <ScottK> No, there isn't
[03:17] <RAOF> Good, didn't think so.
[03:17] <ScottK> We get stuff with archs we don't have from Debian all the time.
[03:20] <RAOF> POX_: Unless libboost-python is fixed to build against more than one python version at once, miro won't work on more than one python version at once.  So the 2.5 rather than 2.5- is justified?
[03:20] <POX_> yes
[03:24] <RAOF> Heh, not *my* packages, they won't :)
[03:24] <POX_> RAOF: it will fail on firefox-dev build-dep
[03:25] <RAOF> Yup.  And the python-dev, too.
[03:26] <RAOF> Since that should only pull in 2.4, yes?
[03:26] <POX_> yep, you can change it to python-all-dev or python2.5-dev since you have "2.5" in pyversions anyway
[03:27] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:28] <RAOF> Hm, something's pulling in python2.4 dev.  I wonder what it is.
[03:28] <RAOF> You know what would be awesome?  If firefox finally built against libxul, so we didn't need this crazy "firefox-dev" package. :)
[03:31] <POX_> RAOF: will send you more comments later, need to go now
[03:32] <RAOF> POX_: Thanks.
[03:32] <RAOF> And I'll be off to bed.
[03:32] <xxxxx1> who is on u-u-s today?
[03:32] <TheMuso> xxxxx1: Got a bug you would particularly like attention given to?
[03:33] <xxxxx1> bug 66940
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66940 in psi "Psi version string presents as "Debian testing/unstable" on Dapper" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66940
[03:33] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Looks like you'll be getting a UVFe for miro, unless you want to sponsor the package now and upload a new package addressing the comments later :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no, that's OK.
[03:33] <RAOF> Cool.
[03:33] <RAOF> Good night all!
[03:33] <xxxxx1> TheMuso, cool
[03:33] <Hobbsee> night RAOF
[03:35] <ScottK> RAOF: It's a new package, right?
[03:35] <ScottK> We aren't at the new package freeze yet.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: er, it'll sit in binary NEW, i guess, yes.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> and source new
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's a package rename
[03:36] <ScottK> Point.
[03:40] <tsmithe> man-di, ping? sorry to bug you again, (and the dreaded but), but i'm wondering about wired :)
[03:49] <zul> i guess the motu utf team should get together sometime
[03:50] <ScottK> Agreed.
[03:58] <norsetto> ScootK: I'm uploading a patch that fixes bug 70367. It is a patch against imlib_1.9.15-3ubuntu1 which is not yet in the archives (uploaded few hours ago). Is it ok or do you want me to do a patch against the version presently in the archives?
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70367 in imlib "imlib1 does not correctly handle 32-bit visuals" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70367
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:58] <norsetto> hey bd
[03:58] <bddebian> Hi norsetto
[03:59] <norsetto> bddebian: you owe a new pair of shoes by the way .....
[03:59] <bddebian> I owe a new pair of shoes?
[04:00] <norsetto> bddebian: yeah, I don't know why but when somebody mentions the word bzr you puke
[04:00] <bddebian> Haha
[04:00] <norsetto> bddebian: now I know :-)
[04:01] <norsetto> ScottK: I'm uploading a patch that fixes bug 70367. It is a patch against imlib_1.9.15-3ubuntu1 which is not yet in the archives (uploaded few hours ago). Is it ok or do you want me to do a patch against the version presently in the archives?
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70367 in imlib "imlib1 does not correctly handle 32-bit visuals" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70367
[04:02] <ScottK> norsetto: I'd wait until the new one is in just to be sure.  It's not a rush.
[04:02] <norsetto> ScottK: ok, so I just upload this. thx
[04:04] <xxxxx1> hey bddebian :)
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya xxxxx1
[04:20] <AndyP> ScottK: nice word, i'll have to use it some time
[04:24] <TheMuso> I'm outa here folks. Good luck with getting in new upstream stuff before the freeze.
[04:24] <norsetto> TheMuso: by Luke, many thanks again!
[04:25] <TheMuso> norsetto: Welcome.
[04:25] <DarkSun88> TheMuso: Thanks a lot for you uploads :)
[04:26] <TheMuso> DarkSun88: No problem.
[04:31] <pygi> TheMuso, thanks for the upload, but why didn't you mark as fix released? :)
[04:32] <ScottK> pygi: Did you have the bug listed in debian/changelog?
[04:33] <pygi> ScottK, not really, why would I? I requested review & upload of package?
[04:33] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:34] <ScottK> If the bug number is in debian/changelog then it gets automatically fix released when it's published.
[04:34] <ScottK> If you do it manually, most people wait until the package has built.
[04:34] <pygi> right, it's built anyway ^_^
[04:35] <ScottK> Then go ahead and mark it fix released.
[04:36] <pygi> ScottK, ok, thanks :)
[04:36] <ScottK> No problem.
[05:30] <asac> who cares for listen? was that pochu ?
[05:31] <asac> pygi: can we make a bzr branch for swfdec ?
[05:38] <bddebian> Noooo
[05:41] <norsetto> there he goes again; thanks guys for pronouncing the b word....
[05:41] <norsetto> LOL
[05:48] <bddebian> Man I am having problems re-entering the fold.. Sheesh
[05:54] <pef> hello
[05:55] <bddebian> Heya pef
[05:57] <LucidFox> qca2 is finally in, it seems
[05:57] <LucidFox> how many hours remain until UVF?
[05:59] <geser> Hi bddebian
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya geser
[06:01] <joejaxx> hello bddebian geser
[06:01] <bddebian> LucidFox: I have already requested a sync of psi if that is what you are thinking :-)
[06:01] <joejaxx> :)
[06:01] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[06:01] <LucidFox> bddebian> yes, but the wrong version ^_^
[06:01] <geser> Hi joejaxx
[06:02] <LucidFox> Debian has 0.11~rc2-2 now
[06:02] <LucidFox> (as opposed to 0.11~rc2-1)
[06:04] <LucidFox> Dang
[06:04] <LucidFox> As always, I write without reading first
[06:05] <bddebian> LucidFox: I know but do you know that -2 builds and works.  There was an issue last time I looked at it
[06:05] <LucidFox> Ah. So let -1 be synced then.
[06:06] <LucidFox> By the way, how did you know I meant psi?
[06:07] <mathiaz> hi. I'm working on bug 85194
[06:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85194 in samba "samba's package postinst script shouldn't return an error if samba daemon can't be started (e.g. if smb.conf file is incorrect or is removed)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85194
[06:08] <mathiaz> What's the proper way to report an warning from the postinst script ?
[06:08] <bddebian> LucidFox: I was finishing a build of psi and looking at your bug when you asked about qca2 :-)
[06:17] <LucidFox> What happens to packages in NEW after UVF? Are they all discarded?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> LucidFox: they should get processed as normal, if htey were uploaded before new package freeze
[06:24] <LucidFox> ok
[06:25] <cypherbios> the today's freeze is only for main or it is for universe too?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> it's both
[06:33] <xxxxx1> hi Hobbsee
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hi xxxxx1
[06:55] <bddebian> Gawd I hate building huge packages for small fixes
[06:57] <geser> bddebian: are huge changes on huge packages better?
[06:57] <bddebian> At least they seem more worthwhile :-)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ia32libs, iirc
[07:02] <norsetto> don't know about size, but the Haskell stuff was a pretty long build .....
[07:03] <geser> Size: 227430088 (from nexuiz-data)
[07:03] <bddebian> Eeks
[07:04] <bddebian> Oh, thanks, that reminds me.. starsomething-data package..
[07:04] <AndyP> wow, ia32-libs is ~375MB
[07:04] <AndyP> (source)
[07:05] <bddebian> eeks
[07:06] <AndyP> builds to a 25MB deb though
[07:06] <norsetto> vaporware .....
[07:07] <Hobbsee> there's something...wrong...about that.
[07:07] <geser> AFAIK it is build from i386 debs which means it also needs to include the source code for the debs in the source package
[07:08] <AndyP> it does sound rather ugly
[07:15] <pef> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/autopkgtest-output/gutsy/screem/log
[07:16] <pef> does someone has an idea what "expected specifier-qualifier-list before" gcc error means ?
[07:16] <pef> it causes screem to FTBFS
[07:18] <geser> pef: have you the source code and can look up the mentioned line?
[07:18] <pef> geser, yes
[07:19] <pef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33952/
[07:20] <AndyP> it probably can't find the GtkTooltips symbol so it thinks it's meant to be a new symbol and wants a specifier-qualifier list before it... probably a missing include or an API change (?)
[07:21] <pef> AndyP, I will look at the gtk api :)
[07:21] <pef> afk
[07:21] <geser> pef: drop the -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED from the gcc call
[07:23] <geser> AndyP: gtk 2.11 marked some API parts as deprecated but can still be used if you don't disable deprecated functions
[07:23] <bddebian> Ahh it feels so good to be useless again :-)
[07:24] <AndyP> geser: thought it might be something like that
[07:24] <AndyP> bddebian: more than usual? ;)
[07:25] <bddebian> Exactly :-)
[07:25] <geser> AndyP: I had already the same problem with building ardour, so I know the solution now :)
[07:26] <RainCT> can somebody check this please? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33954/  (manpage for pbuilder-dist)
[07:26] <AndyP> geser: so that's the secret of your genius :)
[07:27] <norsetto> RainCT: open invaders ;-)
[07:28] <geser> RainCT: line 21: there is a p missing before "builder-feisty"
[07:29] <RainCT> norsetto: :)
[07:29] <RainCT> geser: thanks, fixed that
[07:34] <norsetto> RainCT: in withlog/nolog, I think by overriden you really mean overwritten
[07:35] <RainCT> norsetto: true, thx.
[07:36] <norsetto> RainCT: and "On August 2007 it was mainly rewritten" I guess is "On August 2007 it was mostly rewritten"?
[07:37] <norsetto> RainCT: on the Synopsis [...]  means what? that you can repeat the operation option as many times as you want?
[07:38] <RainCT> norsetto: no, that there can be more stuff. for example when the operation is build, a .dsc file needs to be specified
[07:39] <norsetto> RainCT: right, so you should mention that too?
[07:40] <RainCT> ok
[07:42] <RainCT> is 'specify' correct or is it 'specificate'?
[07:42] <norsetto> RainCT: NAME:  open-invaders - wrapper to use pbuilder with many different versions of Ubuntu / Debian; perhaps you could shorten it to NAME: pbuilder-dist - multi-distribution pbuilder wrapper (or similar)?
[07:43] <norsetto> RainCT: I would say specify (but I'm not a native English speaker)
[07:45] <pef> geser, are theses flags disabled by buildds ?
[07:46] <pef> geser, you rocks, I've disable all DISABLED* flags, and it compiles fine :)
[07:47] <cypherbios> What are the possible reasons for the Build-Depends in debian/control being ignored by debuild?
[07:54] <pygi> asac, sure we can
[07:54] <pygi> asac, you here?
[07:54] <norsetto> RainCT: I like this "This  manual  page  was  written ...  for YOU" :-)
[07:54] <asac> pygi: sorry ... lost context ... what did i ask? :-D
[07:55] <pygi> asac, can we open a swfdec bzr branch. Personally I'd make ubuntu-flash team, and have all branches in there
[07:56] <pygi> asac, but that would be tomorrow tasks because I'm *ultimately* tired now :(
[07:56] <asac> pygi: k ... cu then
[07:57] <norsetto> is bddebian gone!?
[07:58] <pygi> asac, we can maintain gnash branch there as well then :) CU :)
[07:58] <norsetto> ah! was worrying ....
[07:58] <zul> thanks thats probably too much information
[07:58] <highvolt1ge> gnash ftw
[08:02] <bddebian> zul: inside joke with norsetto
[08:02] <norsetto> ROTFL
[08:06] <RainCT> norsetto: do you know how I can escape the points? \. doesn't work
[08:06] <norsetto> RainCT: it should, where is that?
[08:08] <RainCT> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33957/ line 51
[08:12] <RainCT> @ norsetto
[08:13] <norsetto> RainCT: why not just using \fB[...] \fP?
[08:14] <RainCT> norsetto: it doesn't display it neither
[08:15] <norsetto> RainCT: strange, it is displayed on my machine
[08:15] <RainCT> norsetto: ah, right. with [ and ]  it does
[08:16] <norsetto> RainCT: what is strange is that it is not aligned properly
[08:18] <RainCT> norsetto: well.. a .br does it
[08:19] <RainCT> norsetto: do the examples look ok for you?
[08:23] <norsetto> RainCT: looks fine; but why do you say ", and cant be changed" for the default amd64?
[08:24] <norsetto> gotta go, wife is calling!
[08:24] <RainCT> norsetto: because on the bottom it says The default value of all optional parameters can be changed by editing the first lines of the
[08:24] <RainCT> script.
[08:24] <RainCT> norsetto: ok. thanks for your help :)
[08:32] <RainCT> how can I tell CDBS where the manpages are?
[08:35] <nixternal> if I use XS-Vcs-Svn, do I have to use the Browser as well?
[08:42] <ScottK> RainCT: Look at the klamav source package for an example.
[08:42] <ScottK> nixternal: No.
[08:42] <nixternal> thanks
[08:48] <RainCT> ScottK: thanks
[08:49] <ScottK> No problem.
[08:53] <nwidger> hi i was wondering how to log a syncing bug for mutt to be update to the latest debian version in gutsy
[08:58] <RainCT> TheMuso: can you merge ~rainct/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev into ~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk please?
[08:58] <RainCT> oh, he is sleeping. can someone else merge them please?
[09:02] <Pici> nwidger: I was looking for this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:03] <nwidger> Pici: thanks man :)
[09:09] <xxxxx1> bye all
[09:18] <kompozer> hello
[09:18] <kompozer> I would like to know if it's still time to propose a package for Gutsy
[09:19] <kompozer> s/propose/submit
[09:19] <ScottK> If it's a new package, yes.
[09:19] <ScottK> It's ~2 weeks to the new package freeze.
[09:19] <kompozer> ok, good
[09:24] <AndyGraybeal> aah.. mark of the unicorn, this is not.
[09:34] <pygi> asac, you here?
[09:38] <dharrigan> Well, I've used export LD_LIBRARY_PATH to get round it for the moment
[09:40] <nixternal> anyone know of a cdbs doc mirror? duck whatever is down
[09:41] <pygi> asac, do you want us to have ubuntu-flash team, and there maintain mainline branches (and our personal ones) for both gnash and swfdec and flashplugin-nonfree?
[09:42] <azeem> nixternal: did you check whether his documentation is included in the package nowadays, maybe?
[09:44] <nixternal> azeem: :D
[09:45] <nixternal> shhh, don't let anyone know I forgot it was there
[09:45] <superm1> nixternal, i'm assuming you were referring to the one at: https://perso.duckcorp.org/ ?
[09:45] <nixternal> ya
[09:45] <azeem> his hosting is down
[09:45] <nixternal> it is installed in /usr/share/doc/cdbs
[09:45] <nixternal> ;)
[09:45] <superm1> yea that's the one i refer to usually too
[09:45] <nixternal> just not as pretty, but it is there
[09:48] <bddebian> No one is working on swfdec0.5 for Gutsy are they?
[09:49] <pygi> bddebian, shhhhhhh =)
[09:49] <mrigns> hmm seahorse or seahorse-agent seems to break my  my debsign...
[09:49] <pygi> mrigns, they always do xD
[09:49] <bddebian> pygi: I'm only asking because of bug: Bug #127794
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127794 in swfdec0.4 "new upstream version available 0.5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127794
[09:49] <pygi> bddebian, I know :)
[09:50] <mrigns> pygi, did not know that, well, it sucks... waaa ;P
[09:50] <bddebian> pygi: You are running out of time.. ;-)
[09:50] <pygi> bddebian, mememem, :)
[09:51] <bddebian> pygi: I don't care either way :-)
[09:52] <\sh> bddebian, do the work, dude ;)
[09:52] <pygi> bddebian, assign to me pls, thank you
[09:53] <AndyGraybeal> you guys are evil, i thought MOTU was an ubuntu dev's and MOTU dev's working together to make the most brilliant Audio Linuxes Boxen ever!
[09:53] <\sh> AndyGraybeal, pardon?
[09:53] <AndyGraybeal> then i was gonna be like.. move over Pro Tools!
[09:54] <AndyGraybeal> MOTU = Mark of the Unicorn, a pro audio company (somewhat pro)
[09:54] <\sh> MOTU == Master of the Universe an old cartoon series
[09:54] <\sh> from the 80ies
[09:54] <\sh> most children from today don't know those goodies anymore ,-)
[09:54] <bddebian> heh
[09:54] <AndyGraybeal> i'm that old, i understand, but at first i thought it was Mark of the Unicorn
[09:55] <\sh> hehe...I had those action dolls from them ...
[09:55] <AndyGraybeal> i about pooped my pants.. debian was after all the first platform to incorporate Audio with it's purpose... demudi back in the day
[09:55] <\sh> ok as well the old marvel ones too
[09:56] <pygi> bddebian, thanks
[09:56] <mrigns> pygi, how about gpa, does it also break debsign?
[09:58] <asac> pygi: we can do that ... though I would prefer to keep release-branches in the realms that are allowed to sponsor that package
[09:58] <asac> so meaning ~core-dev for main packages ~ubuntu-dev for universe packages
[09:58] <pygi> asac, fine, then open a mainline branch of swfdec and flashplugin-nonfree in appropriate team (MOTU)
[09:59] <asac> however we can always setup *main* branches in ~ubuntu-flash
[09:59] <pygi> asac, fine, then no need for team. We'll just hold personal branches under own names ;)
[09:59] <asac> that is good as well
[10:00] <pygi> asac, ok, open a team then ... I'm after swfdec now :)
[10:00] <asac> pygi: however for swfdec you might want to take care that we have vcs import setup
[10:00] <asac> i think git should be possible
[10:00] <asac> ok meeting i guess
[10:01] <pygi> asac, k :)
[10:17] <ajmitch> morning
[10:17] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:17] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:18] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty, how's it going?
[10:18] <DarkSun88> Hi.
[10:18] <sistpoty> so far so good, still fighting mail backlog though ;)
[10:18] <ajmitch> hehe, I know that feeling ;)
[10:18] <sistpoty> ajmitch: and how are you?
[10:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, sistpoty
[10:20] <sistpoty> hey bddebian
[10:21] <ajmitch> sistpoty: good thanks :)
[10:22] <sistpoty> hehe, last week when I sneaked to IRC I was late for work at the next morning *g*
[10:22] <ajmitch> heh
[10:22] <sistpoty> great!
[10:23] <sistpoty> ( /me doesn't do ubuntu stuff during work, otherwise I'd not manage my time well enough to get my own work done)
[10:24] <sistpoty> btw.: any news about tiber?
[10:25] <ajmitch> not that I've heard yet
[10:26] <sistpoty> well, I guess I'll need to visit siretart for news tomorrow then ;)
[10:32] <DarkSun88> bddebian: Thanks for upload. :)
[10:32] <bddebian> DarkSun88: No, thank YOU for the patch :-)
[10:32] <DarkSun88> ;)
[10:34] <bddebian> Wow, have I got some whopping karma these days.. :-)
[10:36] <AndyP> wow, almost as bad as mine :)
[10:42] <pygi> bddebian, sure it can, it's important package ;)
[10:43] <bddebian> pygi: ?
[10:43] <pygi> bddebian, swfdec ;)
[10:43] <bddebian> Oh, pfft :)
[10:43] <bddebian> They're all important to someone.. ;-P
[10:43] <pygi> bddebian, shhhh!
[10:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm glad you've got some karma
[10:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: your karma is still way bigger than mine ;)
[10:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: What, the number was so big it gets an integer overflow? :-)
[10:47] <ScottK> If Karma is the goal, just right a script that requestsnycs the entire archive.  For Karma, quantity is all that counts.
[10:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, more that I've done nothing
[10:48] <ajmitch> ScottK: easier to just upload rebuild-only changes :)
[10:48] <ajmitch> filing a bug for each
[10:48] <sistpoty> oh, do uploads add to karma nowadays?
[10:48] <ScottK> That's work too.
[10:48] <ajmitch> sistpoty: no
[10:48] <ScottK> No, you need to file the bug.
[10:48] <ajmitch> ScottK: who said you needed to test the uploads?
[10:49] <sistpoty> hah, than I can't blame my low karma on not uploading anything for ages *g*
[10:49] <bddebian> heh
[10:49] <ScottK> Well there are certainly some who don't think it's required.
[10:49] <bddebian> Did all of those [can-not-install]  bugs get auto-filed by something?
[10:50] <ScottK> Yes.
[10:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes they were probably filed automagically
[10:50] <bddebian> Gads
[10:51] <ajmitch> at least my bug lists aren't fired like a shotgun at launchpad
[10:51] <bddebian> Hehe
[10:51] <ajmitch> too many false positives there
[10:51] <bddebian> Well I asked for syncs that I probably didn't need to :-(
[10:51] <ScottK> Well that bot is better than some people who file lots of bugs by hand (not thinking of bddebian - glad he's back).
[10:51] <ajmitch> yep
[10:52] <bddebian> Suuure ScottK :)
[11:02] <DarkSun88> G'night.
[11:02] <sistpoty> gn8 DarkSun88
[11:02] <DarkSun88> G'night sistpoty
[11:04] <ajmitch> it doesn't look good if I send an email starting off "I've veyr happy with"...
[11:05] <ScottK> Depends on what your goal is.
[11:05] <sistpoty> hehe, and I always thought I were the foreign speaker ;)
[11:05] <sistpoty> I guess, I could set you on moderate, ajmitch :P
[11:06] <ajmitch> yeah, and I can moderate my own emails :)
[11:06] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:06] <ajmitch> so that'd give me a chance
[11:06] <ajmitch> don't worry, I corrected the email before signing & sending
[11:07] <sistpoty> good. no fighting with mailman then *g*
[11:09] <ajmitch> a fairly damning review of lib{nss,pam}-ldap for main inclusion
[11:21] <jmg> ajmitch: what is?
[11:21] <ajmitch> just what I said
[11:22] <ajmitch> they were reviewed for inclusion in main
[11:26] <mohammad> hello, Do you have any estimation when revu works again? and during this period is there any possiblity to upload any packages or updates for reviewing somewhere elese? I appreciate if someone answers please :)
[11:29] <sistpoty> gotta go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[11:29] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[11:33] <norsetto> mohammad: until REVU is up again the only possibility you have is to use an hosting service
[11:37] <POX_> RAOF: about miro: I restored libxul-dev dependency (you have firefox-dev) and it builded fine in Sid, pythom2.5 extension for python-gnome2 is missing in Debian though, I requested for binNMU so it should be fixed soon
[11:41] <Riddell> superm1: see my message from earlier?
[11:42] <superm1> Riddell, don't believe so?
[11:42] <Riddell> superm1: mythbuntu-meta has GPL 3 in COPYING but debian/copyright says GPL 2
[11:43] <superm1> ah yes i just looked in my log and saw
[11:43] <Riddell> I'd recommend changing COPYING to GPL 2 so code can be shared with other -meta packages
[11:43] <superm1> sure i'll switch that over
[11:45] <superm1> Riddell, its pushed up and seen in revno 10
[12:00] <superm1> Riddell, once this meta is in, how does UVF policy apply to it?
[12:01] <superm1> (since it's debian native)
[12:01] <Riddell> it doesn't, it's not upstream
[12:02] <superm1> good.  I have a few things that may be joining it as dependencies later in its life before gutsy release.
[12:02] <Riddell> uploaded
[12:02] <superm1> great :). Thanks a bunch
[12:03] <bddebian> Heading home, later folks