[03:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, hows it going with the control centre?
[03:50] <superm1> it's getting very very close
[03:51] <foxbuntu> anything you want help with on it?
[03:51] <superm1> well there is one big function left to write
[03:51] <superm1> but you need a pretty in depth understanding of how everything is working in it i think to write it
[03:52] <superm1> well 2 functions, one i'm not sure how to do properly and that big one
[03:56] <foxbuntu> ah
[03:57] <foxbuntu> so my code retarded ass would be as helpful ass tits on a bore
[04:00] <OpenMedia> superm1: Finally getting back to some sanity here. Had to clear an order backlog. Might manage some testing this weekend.
[04:00] <OpenMedia> superm1: any ETA on an alpha 4 or shall I continue with 3 for now
[04:00] <superm1> OpenMedia, well we need the site back before alpha 4 can be done
[04:01] <superm1> there will be two big changes to alpha 4
[04:01] <superm1> will be ran as normal user (not mythtv)
[04:01] <superm1> and the control centre will be done
[04:01] <superm1> i'm getting really really close on the control centre
[04:02] <superm1> in an effort to be done with it, i might end up disabling some functionality and defering it
[04:03] <OpenMedia> superm1: ok. I'll play with alpha 3 for now then. myPVR makes some assumptions about it running as the mythtv user. Will that still be possible
[04:03] <superm1> it will still be possible, but just not defaulted
[04:03] <superm1> because this way, the user can make changes to the system
[04:04] <superm1> since they have sudo priv.
[04:04] <OpenMedia> Yeah.. Ideally I don't want users to make changes to the system.. ;)
[04:04] <jams> heh
[04:05] <superm1> well it should just be a matter of modifying the autologin gdm-cdd.conf to make it the mythtv user rather than the normal user selected
[04:07] <superm1> but i need to take a break from this, i've been at it for most the day.  i'll be back later on
[04:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, I just sent a note to my DC contact to see if I can get a donantion of rack space
[04:15] <OpenMedia> superm1: No worries. Look after yourself.
[05:30] <foxxbuntu> superm1, you there?
[06:54] <superm1> foxbuntu___, i'm back
[11:21] <superm1> keescook, don't forget to get mythtv/mythplugins in before freeze time tomorrow :)
[11:30] <DaveMorris> superm1: goto bed :P
[11:31] <superm1> hehe
[11:31] <superm1> i will i will
[01:16] <cornell-w> Good morning...  DaveMorris, are you here?
[01:40] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So I'll try hammering out a revision based on our discussion this weekend.
[01:40] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Unfortunately, nothing before then.
[01:50] <DaveMorris> at lunch atm
[02:01] <cornell-w> Cool... If, and when, you care for an update on what I tried last night (not much, didn't have too much time), just say so.  My first crack at hooking up to the LVM failed :-(
[02:08] <DaveMorris> what went wrong?
[02:35] <cornell-w> Well... first, when I tried to end the install process, after installing the OS and before configuring myth, I couldn't get the machine to restart.  Ended up at a gnome login screen.  No clue where that came from.  Finally just turned it off.  When it came up, the X wouldn't start, couldn't find nvidia driver (right, the install failed to get it).  So in terminal I tried to apt-get install openssh-server.  The last of the output had 
[02:35] <cornell-w> Gee... that was a lot, sorry about that ;-)
[02:36] <DaveMorris> Where you able to install ssh-server?
[02:37] <cornell-w> Yes, it's in, and lvm2.
[02:37] <DaveMorris> does X work?
[02:38] <cornell-w> Seems to, the mythbuntu desktop is up.  I saw the icons, and opened a terminal.
[02:39] <DaveMorris> can you see all your files on the lvm2 mounted partition ?
[02:40] <cornell-w> No lvm2 mounted partition.  Last I did was the pvscan that found nothing.  (didn't try partition or df or mount commands)
[02:40] <DaveMorris> oh, you installed the lvm2 module
[02:41] <cornell-w> YEs
[02:41] <DaveMorris> does lsmod show the lvm2 module loaded?
[02:41] <cornell-w> ... and it works differently, before "lvm" resulted in the list of commands, now it results in a "sub-prompt" like "lvm >".
[02:42] <cornell-w> Actually, the machine's not here, so best I can do is gather suggestions, clues and hints to use this evening.
[02:42] <DaveMorris> you can't ssh to it then :)
[02:43] <cornell-w> I assumed lvm2 was loaded when I used the lvm command.
[02:43] <DaveMorris> it prob was
[02:44] <cornell-w> No... my work closes that port, never got around to trying alternate port, my ISP got on me for having open ports with services running...  You're not going to believe this... they accused me of attacking someone...  it seems that three times, in a week, my address hit their machine, on port 80.  And they think that's an attack !
[02:44] <DaveMorris> LOL
[02:44] <cornell-w> My current problem...  ran pvscan, it found nothing.
[02:45] <DaveMorris> stupid ISP they should realise the problem
[02:45] <DaveMorris> I assume you mean vgscan
[02:45] <laga> re
[02:45] <cornell-w> I did encounter in my readings using pvcreate with uuid. but that was in context of swapping drives on a server, don't know if it applies, gonna check it out.
[02:46] <DaveMorris> looking at the gentoo guide I sent you, they say to use 'vgchange -a y' to "Make any previously set up volume groups available"
[02:46] <cornell-w> No...  p-something-scan.  although, when it failed I also tried vgscan and lvscan, also found nothing.
[02:47] <cornell-w> (the gentoo site you'd sent me was down this morning :-(  Is it up again? )
[02:47] <DaveMorris> yep
[02:48] <cornell-w> mmm...   http://gentoo-wiki.com/Recovering_RAID_and_LVM still coming up "The requested URL could not be retrieved"  code 111, connection refused.
[02:49] <DaveMorris> oh, I'm looking at this one http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml
[02:49] <cornell-w> Maybe they don't like me, or know that I'm not running gentoo ;-)
[02:51] <cornell-w> mmm  the section: Code Listing 2.2: Activating LVM?
[02:53] <DaveMorris> yeah tbh it'll be a lot easier when you have access to the machine, superm1 can help if I'm not around since his in the states
[02:53] <cornell-w> Looks promising...
[02:53] <DaveMorris> prob asleep now as he was awake in here only 3 hours ago
[02:53] <cornell-w> Right.
[02:53] <cornell-w> Hey, he's a geek like the rest of us... who needs sleep
[02:54] <cornell-w> (says he who makes enough mistakes when well rested ;-) )
[02:55] <cornell-w> Anyway, thanks for the guidance, DaveMorris, hope to see you this evening, and if not... I'll tell you all about it tomorrow
[02:56] <cornell-w> (fore-warned is fore-armed) ;-)
[03:25] <DaveMorris> to who?
[03:53] <AndyGraybeal> what kinda screen would you guys get?  i'm thinking about getting a regular wide-screen lcd for a computer to replace the tv... is that a stupid move?
[03:53] <AndyGraybeal> it'll be a 22 inch with dmvi connector
[03:53] <AndyGraybeal> or whatever the digital connector is called or something
[04:27] <cornell-w> I use a regular 19" LCD instead of a tv, I'd like a 22" wide screen ;-)
[04:27] <AndyGraybeal> cornell, awesome thank you
[04:28] <AndyGraybeal> is there a need for some kind of dmvi connector or whatever its' called?
[04:28] <AndyGraybeal> what video card do you have also?
[04:28] <cornell-w> Complain to mythbuhntu.org, of course ;-)
[04:30] <cornell-w> My video card is nvidia.  I've also got cable out on my TV capture card, haven't even configured it yet.  I just use the normal vga port.  The bad news is I can't watch TV and see the desktop at the same time, as it's the same monitor.  But, so what, I can do what I need via SSH (assuming I know what Im doing).
[04:30] <laga> won't the viewing angle on those TN panels be annoying?
[04:31] <cornell-w> Not that I've found, but I'm watching mine from the chair at my desk.  I guess if you've got it up against one wall, and have the whole family spread about the room, you might have difficulty.... however
[04:33] <cornell-w> It's important to note that when one watches a crt TV, one doesn't sit far off of the center line, the further off center one is, the more the rectangle becomes a highly angled trapezoid, uncomfortable to watch.  I feel that the comfortable viewing angle is with the capabilities of a modern LCD .  IMHO, YMMV.
[05:22] <cornell-w> wb, DaveMorris
[05:38] <DaveMorris> thanks
[05:38] <DaveMorris> hometime soon
[05:39] <DaveMorris> the FTSE did worse than 1st appeared, the only reason its only down 211 pts is because one company is up 235!
[09:20] <auuurrrgh> does anyone know where the mythTV developer channel is?
[09:46] <keescook> superm1: I'm a bit behind, but my SATA bus seems to have been okay now.  I'm building stuff now
[09:49] <superm1> keescook, good to hear the sata came back to life :).  I just wanted to make sure that UVF was beat, so didn't have to go through the hoops of doing a UVFe
[09:49] <keescook> superm1: I'm pretending it's a "end of the day" today.  I think I'm wrong, but since I lost a day of time to my @$!%ing SATA, I like to think I'm still before the cut-off.  ;)
[09:50] <superm1> haha.  i've always wondered if it was an artificial cut off, or if there was a hard limit put on the server that takes the dput's
[09:51] <keescook> there's nothing "hard" but boy does one get in trouble.  :P
[10:19] <keescook> superm1: didn't you look into automatic security updates for mythbuntu?  what's the way to turn that on?  (someone else was asking me about it...)
[10:19] <superm1> keescook, automatic security updates as in what specifically?
[10:20] <superm1> there were weekly builds when we had a server that worked...
[10:20] <keescook> isn't there a bit to flip somewhere to make it happen?  I'll have to go research it
[10:20] <keescook> also, I've uploaded mythtv, and noticed some "find" errors in mythplugins:
[10:20] <keescook> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33986/
[10:21] <keescook> are those anything to worry about?
[10:22] <superm1> hm i didn't watch my build very closely - just checked to see if it was successful or not, so i'm not sure if i saw them as well, but i'd expect its because some behavior that changed in 0.20-fixes branch regarding what's included
[10:22] <superm1> i'll check
[10:22] <keescook> okay, thanks.
[10:26] <keescook> I up'd it anyway to get the upstream in for today.  at a glance, the .debs look okay
[10:26] <superm1> well it looks fine by dpkg -c
[10:26] <superm1> on the debs for mytharchive
[10:26] <superm1> and that find line is just for removing empty directories it looks like
[10:28] <superm1> if there's trouble in the build there is plenty of time to issue a fix, so no biggie
[10:29] <superm1> nothing has changed upstream in mytharchive in 2 months though, so if there was trouble we probably would have already seen it in the last builds this past few weeks
[12:03] <superm1> Daviey, you here?
[12:18] <tgm4883> would I see a benefit in running dual channel ram in my main mythbox?
[12:19] <superm1> probably not
[12:19] <tgm4883> ok
[12:19] <tgm4883> just wondering
[12:20] <tgm4883> planning on upgrading my main system to 2 GB
[12:20] <superm1> man what are you doing on it that you need that much?
[12:20] <tgm4883> i tell ya, running Compiz Fusion on 16 MB of ram is tough
[12:20] <tgm4883> VM's
[12:20] <superm1> ah
[12:20] <superm1> that'll do it
[12:20] <tgm4883> yep
[12:21] <tgm4883> it's either that or start running my VM's on real machines
[12:21] <tgm4883> which are way old
[12:21] <tgm4883> and slow
[12:22] <superm1> i bumped my laptop to a gig earlier this year for that reason, but the machine still runs like crap :)
[12:22] <tgm4883> cpu?
[12:23] <tgm4883> :( gutsy daily wont freezes in my VM
[12:23] <superm1> yea its only a 1.6 or 1.7
[12:23] <tgm4883> upgradable?
[12:23] <superm1> not likely
[12:23] <tgm4883> what laptop?
[12:23] <superm1> some day i'll fix my frontend, and then i can get my desktop back in the room and do VMs on that again
[12:24] <superm1> its a thinkpad r50p
[12:24] <superm1> the proc may be upgradable, but not to anything i'd want to upgrade it to :)
[12:25] <tgm4883> ah
[12:27] <tgm4883> user guide isn't that helpful
[12:28] <tgm4883> dell's website lists complete dissassembly instructions
[12:28] <superm1> dell's?
[12:28] <tgm4883> yep
[12:28] <superm1> you mean IBM/Lenovo
[12:28] <tgm4883> ?
[12:28] <superm1> on your machine, or mine?
[12:28] <tgm4883> ah
[12:29] <tgm4883> IBM user guide isn't that helpful
[12:29] <tgm4883> my machine (dell)
[12:29] <superm1> right
[12:29] <tgm4883> complete dissassembly instruction
[12:29] <tgm4883> wont tell you what you can replace a part with, but I can figure that out anyway