[12:33] <Jester45> humm
[12:34] <Jester45> dnd dcc
[12:34] <Jester45> that could be a neifty ftp like thing
[12:35] <Jester45> simple to setup at least the receiving end
[12:36] <N6REJ> hey guys I got a small problem.  I have forgotten how to add someone to the samba shares.  I want to add my son who has an account on the server to the samba shares so he can access the remote printers and such from his mac.  Can anyone help please?
[12:36] <Jester45> i dont know my self but maybe this link can help
[12:36] <Jester45> !samba
[12:36] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:37] <Jester45> someone else might know thats here and can tell you faster than reading all that
[12:39] <N6REJ> think I got it... tyvm
[12:39] <Jester45> np
[12:47] <N6REJ> grrr stil can't get him in
[01:05] <N6REJ> exit
[01:05] <N6REJ> quit
[01:45] <Alloosh> hi all, can some one tell me if there is any advantage for using xubuntu or kubuntu over ubuntu?
[01:46] <Jester45> its faster
[01:46] <kaos_nk> if your system is old
[01:46] <Jester45> no
[01:46] <kaos_nk> and since gnome / kde are crap, take xfce
[01:46] <Jester45> it faster even if you have a 500 Thz computer
[01:47] <Jester45> or a 5Ghz for that matter
[01:47] <kaos_nk> Jester, I was referring to his question, not to your answer :P
[01:47] <Alloosh> I have new fast computer, but I still dont know which is the best, my computer is 2000 4400 1024 ram 200hd
[01:47] <kaos_nk> xunbuntu, naturally. (k)ubuntu will stuff your compy with unneeded bullshit
[01:48] <kaos_nk> of course, xubuntu will do that to, but to a lesser extent
[01:48] <kaos_nk> -n*
[01:48] <Alloosh> so what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[01:48] <Jester45> ubuntu uses gnome asa DE xubuntu uses xfce
[01:48] <TheSheep> Alloosh: the best is the one which you are the most comfortable with
[01:49] <cellofellow> Alloosh: Xubuntu is clean, and quick. It includes apps that do what you want them to without fluff.
[01:49] <Alloosh> and do you recommend using ()ubuntu or fedora?
[01:49] <cellofellow> Anything with APT, can't stand RPM-type stuff.
[01:49] <kaos_nk> was kind of advice is that, TheSheep. Should they install now all three systems and decide what is the most comfortable?
[01:49] <Jester45> gnome does a lot for you but you will never learn anything about your computer with it, its better to give your grandma so you dont have to teach her a whole bunch
[01:49] <TheSheep> kaos_nk: that's the only way to tell, and you can have all 3 in the same install
[01:50] <cellofellow> Heh, Xubuntu you don't have to muck around either.
[01:50] <kaos_nk> ubuntu and especially kubuntu are packed with loads of apps no one needs
[01:50] <TheSheep> kaos_nk: forcing ones own habits on someone is not going to make them happy, usually
[01:50] <cellofellow> Honestly, GNOME is too simple. Gives you few options.
[01:50] <Alloosh> lol, actually Iam a web developer, and I have ubuntu now, but it has many issues with networking with XP which I need for some applications.
[01:50] <Jester45> kubuntu (KDE) has LOTS and LOTS of configuration and is bloated and has way to many programs to do simple things
[01:50] <kaos_nk> TheSheep: neither is telling them to try anything, right?
[01:50] <TheSheep> kaos_nk: not right
[01:50] <cellofellow> Kubuntu, at least Dapper, includes Konqueror, OOo, KTorrent, Kate, and Kontact basically. That's not that big of an app list.
[01:51] <kaos_nk> dunno, I installed it and deleted it after a day
[01:51] <cellofellow> While Ubuntu has Firefox, Evolution, OOo, and GEdit.
[01:51] <kaos_nk> ubuntu held for a little longer, but was just as packed with stuff I didn't need
[01:51] <cellofellow> And a couple others.
[01:52] <Jester45> cellofellow, how about kontrol or the other 50 apps included with KDE that have K in the name
[01:52] <cellofellow> Xubuntu has Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, Abiword, Gnumeric.
[01:52] <TheSheep> .oO( Is the fact that there is something on the disk that you don't use wrong in itself? )
[01:52] <kaos_nk> ubuntu's really aimed at people changing over form windows, if that's the case, that'd be the only argument to take ubuntu, Alloosh
[01:52] <cellofellow> Jester45: I think KDE's lots-of-stuff approach is better than GNOME's super-simple approach.
[01:52] <TheSheep> Alloosh: you can install applications from all 3 of thes distros, so most likely you will just come up with a mix that's best for you
[01:53] <cellofellow> KDE is a larger DE than GNOME and XFCE.
[01:53] <Alloosh> you can say that iam advanced user, so I have no problem using any, but want to her your opinion guys
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> heh xubuntu highly configured
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> is best for me
[01:53] <Jester45> cellofellow, agreeded but why not one super config program like gconf
[01:53] <cellofellow> And I think you only notice KDE apps more than GNOME apps because they have K in the name, while GNOME apps don't.
[01:53] <Jester45> gnome apps have G in the name a lot
[01:53] <cellofellow> Jester45: what's GConf? I never used GNOME.
[01:53] <kaos_nk> xubuntu does everything I need for me, but if you want something even more basic, take lfs, Allosh
[01:54] <cellofellow> Jester45: true, but G also means Graphical or GTK a lot too.
[01:54] <kaos_nk> you can pass on gentoo though, it's like a halfway solution
[01:54] <Alloosh> I have ubuntu now, do I have to uninstall it to be able to install xubuntu or I can update or something
[01:54] <cellofellow> Alloosh: no, just install xubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <Jester45> cellofellow, its a central way to configure your system so you dont need to edit all the config files or use 15-30 little programs like KDE
[01:54] <Alloosh> ok lets give it a shot
[01:54] <Jester45> then remove all gnome stuff
[01:55] <Alloosh> how to remove the gnome stuff?
[01:55] <cellofellow> Alloosh: if you use aptitude to install xubuntu-desktop, it can easily be removed if you don't like it.
[01:55] <cellofellow> Alloosh: one by one
[01:55] <Jester45> TheSheep, dont you know a page that has the list of packages that comes with ubuntu that is gnome and that part of xubuntu or the base ?
[01:55] <Alloosh> lol ok
[01:55] <TheSheep> Jester45: why?
[01:55] <kaos_nk> or just reinstall with clean xubuntu, will save you the trouble of removing all the crap that comes with ubuntu
[01:55] <Catoptromancy> isnt there main gnome package that will automatically remove alot more, since it is needed?
[01:55] <Jester45> yes its hard to remove it all
[01:56] <cellofellow> Jester45: I think KDE takes the UNIX philosophy of lots of little specialized utilities, unlike the Windows philosophy that GNOME seems to like with large bloated super-apps.
[01:56] <TheSheep> Jester45: you just need to remove ubuntu-desktop, and all the others can be removed with autoremove
[01:56] <Jester45> TheSheep, are you sure?
[01:56] <Jester45> im pretty sure it leave a lot
[01:56] <TheSheep> Jester45: no, but that's how it should work since edgy
[01:56] <cellofellow> kaos_nk: can you stop using negative words? It's not crap or bs, please! I may not like it but it's not that bad, and your bad attitude just drives people away.
[01:56] <Catoptromancy> Jester45 : if a package depends on gnome it will be autoremoved
[01:57] <kaos_nk> it's just my opinion, what's your problem, cellofellow?
[01:57] <Jester45> because i dont have xubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-mininal and i dont have xfwm4 on autoremove
[01:57] <Catoptromancy> if gnome-desktop is remove
[01:57] <kaos_nk> what's the difference if I say 'crap' or 'bad' or 'useless'?
[01:57] <TheSheep> Jester45: because you installed them manually
[01:57] <Jester45> i did?
[01:57] <cellofellow> kaos_nk: can we just be a little nice to each other or something? I just don't like your attitude very much is all.
[01:57] <TheSheep> !languge | kaos_nk
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <Alloosh> ok, iam 90% drunk, so I have to be careful with that. can xubuntu help me in my networking issues>?
[01:58] <TheSheep> kaos_nk: that's the difference
[01:58] <cellofellow> Alloosh: what networking issues?
[01:58] <kaos_nk> it's a free world, you don't like my language, /ignore
[01:58] <Catoptromancy> uh
[01:58] <kaos_nk> i'm not personally attacking anyone, so stop whining
[01:58] <Jester45> its also a free kick you out of channel
[01:58] <Alloosh> the damn network here is weird, I can see the ubuntu in the xp but cant see the xp in the ubuntu
[01:58] <Jester45> i could care less myself
[01:59] <kaos_nk> i haven't seen anyone leaving in the last few minutes since I started talking
[01:59] <cellofellow> Alloosh: you mean the Windows file sharing stuff? Network Places or whatever?
[01:59] <kaos_nk> someone's just in the mood to whine, obviously
[01:59] <Alloosh> yes,
[01:59] <cellofellow> maybe, maybe not
[01:59] <Jester45> leave cellofellow alone hes pretty cool
[01:59] <cellofellow> Alloosh: I'd just use LinNeighborhood, always works for me.
[01:59] <Jester45> he plays the cello :)
[02:00] <kaos_nk> right.
[02:00] <Alloosh> and some other issues also, for example what is pissing me off the most is that, my dvd drive does not realize some dvd, and they are not movies
[02:00] <cellofellow> me and my cello weren't too friendly today, sadly.
[02:00] <Jester45> Alloosh, you need libdvdcss
[02:00] <kaos_nk> i wish i could pay cello though
[02:00] <Alloosh> data dvds, it hust realize some and does not realize others
[02:00] <cellofellow> !medibuntu | Alloosh
[02:00] <ubotu> Alloosh: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:00] <Alloosh> I installed everything
[02:00] <kaos_nk> or rather violine
[02:00] <cellofellow> Alloosh: xfce may or may not be able to fix that. Depends on your DVD drive I link.
[02:01] <kaos_nk> -e
[02:01] <Jester45> ok
[02:01] <Alloosh> yes I understand but will give it a shot.
[02:01] <cellofellow> kaos_nk: what about a happy medium and play viola?
[02:01] <kaos_nk> true!
[02:02] <kaos_nk> i like medium better than aktive or passive
[02:02] <cellofellow> playing viola makes everyone like you, cause there aren't so many of them. High demand, low supply. :)
[02:02] <kaos_nk> oh, i can't spell anymore
[02:02] <Alloosh> actually i have business in europe, and I will need to build many networks for hotels, and I WILL NOT GIVE THEM WINDOWS
[02:03] <Catoptromancy> samba for large network?
[02:03] <Alloosh> noooo
[02:03] <cellofellow> you need to know the basics of how *nix and smb networking work then.
[02:03] <cellofellow> you'll need some smb compatibility, I bet.
[02:03] <kaos_nk> or a hot *nix girlfriend
[02:04] <Alloosh> I will use linux as server, to install my accounting softwares, and allow outlets
[02:04] <Catoptromancy> im jsut learning samba
[02:04] <Catoptromancy> and finished a networking basics course
[02:04] <Alloosh> I dont like samna, I will use some systems I develop at my company, samba is not smart enough to connect to networks in other coutries
[02:05] <cellofellow> I've never had much luck mixing Windows 98 and Samba.
[02:05] <cellofellow> samba was never designed to work over the internet. M$ mostly developed it as a way to kill Novell.
[02:06] <Alloosh> windows is stupid and I think its aimed at making people stupid, and it gives alot of headache, just like asp and sql, you pay a fortune to get crap. while php is much smarter and you can use it in wider range
[02:06] <Catoptromancy> so what a good alternative to samba?
[02:06] <Jester45> nfs
[02:07] <Jester45> not sure if windows understands its power
[02:07] <Catoptromancy> it should
[02:07] <cellofellow> NFS is ok. Sort of a set-and-forget thing.
[02:07] <cellofellow> I've looked and I cannot find any freeware tools to connect to NFS with Windows. Some shareware.
[02:07] <Alloosh> I think windows should understand linux power
[02:08] <kaos_nk> yes and capitulate
[02:08] <cellofellow> Windows understands IPP, which gets rid of printing headaches (except for WIndows 9x).
[02:09] <Alloosh> come on, lets face it, how much you will need to pay to launch a site from a windows server?
[02:10] <cellofellow> Windows lacks good security practices.
[02:10] <kaos_nk> that depends, of course, if you rip windows
[02:10] <cellofellow> Out-of-the-box security does not exist on windows. It does on Linux though.
[02:10] <Alloosh> while its 100% free with linux, honestly I have been working for a bank they use windows every where, I could swear that I can reach everything they dont want me to reach from my desktop. there is no security in windows, while linux gives you a million advantage
[02:12] <kaos_nk> i heard they actually improved that part with vista
[02:12] <Jester45> lol
[02:12] <Jester45> vista is a joke
[02:12] <kaos_nk> yup
[02:12] <Alloosh> try to boot a computer with safe mode and you are in
[02:12] <kaos_nk> or boot it with linux :P
[02:13] <cellofellow> I've seen Vista Basic, and I thought "who'd want this? It's weird looking and insults my intelligence."
[02:13] <Alloosh> yes I have done something like that before, its cute how you can change alllllllllll
[02:13] <Jester45> the only people i think they got to upgrade are MS zelots people that bought new pcs and people that are brainwashed very easy by tv  ads
[02:13] <kaos_nk> if they're proud they've achieved something with their aero-technology that's been around for linux quite the time, then meh
[02:14] <Jester45> and longer for mac
[02:14] <cellofellow> Linux had Compiz for like a year before Aero was released.
[02:14] <kaos_nk> and it doesn't cost 600 bucks :P
[02:14] <cellofellow> :-)
[02:14] <Alloosh> and dont forget the damn nasty message (we are sorry for the inconvenience and we will close the application and you will loose all your f**** work)
[02:15] <Alloosh> I broke a computer once because of that
[02:15] <Jester45> aero might be stabler but you have to add in that compiz doesnt have 10-15 developers working full time on it and that all those devel are local and that compiz has to work and many diffrent system
[02:15] <kaos_nk> aero, I don't know the point of releasing a new BS just because they managed to develop aero.
[02:15] <cellofellow> Compiz probably has a guy or two at Novell dedicated to it.
[02:15] <kaos_nk> aero=oh
[02:16] <kaos_nk> just reduce vista to its old look, you have xp
[02:16] <Jester45> o
[02:16] <kaos_nk> with a few more functions
[02:16] <s-x-u> like more control on users
[02:17] <Jester45> and Alloosh linux isnt a security god http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/15/1341224.shtml
[02:17] <cellofellow> all that is M$ ripping of *nix features.
[02:17] <s-x-u> like more information of users
[02:17] <cellofellow> OpenBSD is the OS that is all about security.
[02:17] <Alloosh> Jester45: its not a security god, but its more secure than windows
[02:18] <Jester45> no no what gets me is they now have Automatic defrag.... just fix your file system and you dont need to defrag
[02:18] <kaos_nk> well, you have more chance at finding bugs when the source is open
[02:18] <Jester45> and it will keep your harddrive alive
[02:18] <kaos_nk> it doesn't say the source will be perfect, but it's better then microsoft's aula
[02:18] <Jester45> hi hi vidd
[02:18] <cellofellow> Jester45: that sounds like feature they ripped straight from Linux.
[02:18] <s-x-u> my grandfather can live without a computer so let's go back to the past way of life
[02:19] <cellofellow> my grandfather lives with a welding rod in his hand.
[02:19] <kaos_nk> does your grandfather play Go?
[02:19] <Jester45> cellofellow, its kinda hard to defrag on linux as linux doesnt frag like windows
[02:19] <Alloosh> ok guys xubuntu desktop installed now, do I have to restart?
[02:19] <kaos_nk> start a new session
[02:19] <Jester45> i CAN live without a computer but whats the point then :)
[02:20] <kaos_nk> haha
[02:20] <Jester45> i sure wouldnt be alive to long
[02:20] <s-x-u> saving money on your power bill
[02:20] <cellofellow> oh, so they worked around it instead of having an anti-fragmenting FS?
[02:20] <Jester45> ... well this is boring... bang
[02:20] <Alloosh> how to start the xubuntu session?
[02:20] <kaos_nk> ist raiser4 any good? any changes of it getting implemented in the kernel any time soon?
[02:20] <kaos_nk> is*
[02:21] <kaos_nk> chances*
[02:21] <s-x-u> control alt backspace
[02:21] <Jester45> sometimes
[02:21] <Jester45> s-x-u, please tell people what that will do before you tell them it
[02:22] <Jester45> he might of had something important open
[02:22] <s-x-u> you are right jester sorry
[02:22] <Jester45> dont worrie i did it before
[02:22] <Jester45> before someone else told me
[02:22] <vidd> that command locks up my computer
[02:22] <s-x-u> uh oh
[02:22] <Jester45> then i figured that person was right like allways
[02:23] <cellofellow> vidd: that's weird. It's supposed to un-lock your computer.
[02:23] <s-x-u> Jester45: probably your grand.... no i'm joking
[02:24] <Jester45> no it was TheSheep
[02:24] <Jester45> he has 2 times the knowledge of google
[02:24] <Jester45> proven fact
[02:24] <Jester45> and he can query faster
[02:24] <cellofellow> :-)
[02:25] <s-x-u> thinkink about ...
[02:25] <cellofellow> Radomir is a cool dude.
[02:25] <Jester45> o and if there is an answer he gives it to you not it and 10k other ones
[02:26] <s-x-u> i guess thesheep brain + google wikipedia enceclopedy brittannica and his grandfather ? :)
[02:26] <Alloosh> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[02:26] <cellofellow> He's just got lots of experience. Pumpernickle does too.
[02:26] <Jester45>  thesheep brain = google + wikipedia + encyclopedia + Britannica + his grandfather ? :)
[02:27] <Alloosh> this is great, I can see my dvd drive now with xubuntu
[02:27] <Jester45> told yait was better
[02:27] <Jester45> ya it*
[02:27] <kaos_nk> ghetto language!
[02:27] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, only knows 1.5 times google and is lacking his grandfathers knowledge
[02:28] <s-x-u>  Alloosh: this is great, I can see my dvd drive now with xubuntu congrat......
[02:28] <kaos_nk> married*
[02:28] <Alloosh> thanks, want to change screen resolution where can I do that?
[02:29] <Alloosh> where can I see my network places?
[02:29] <vidd> well...that fixed it
[02:29] <s-x-u> try the menu
[02:32] <Alloosh> movie player works very fine now, I was not able to watch a movie before
[02:33] <Jester45> !patebin
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <Alloosh> resolution fixed
[02:33] <s-x-u> +s
[02:33] <cellofellow> Alloosh: you need to install linneighborhood.
[02:33] <Jester45> !pastebin
[02:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:35] <cellofellow> Alloosh: oh, also you need to run `sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt /usr/bin/smbumount` after linneigborhood is install.
[02:36] <Alloosh> done
[02:37] <Alloosh> cant fine network places
[02:38] <cellofellow> now run `LinNeighborhood`
[02:40] <Alloosh> I added the xp machine, but where to see the shared stuff
[02:41] <cellofellow> double click the machine
[02:41] <Alloosh> here is the result
[02:41] <Alloosh> cli_rpc_pipe_open: cli_nt_create failed on pipe \srvsvc to machine JOE.  Error was NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[02:41] <Alloosh> Connecting to 192.168.1.99 at port 139
[02:41] <Alloosh> Domain=[MSHOME]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
[02:41] <Alloosh> dos_clean_name [] 
[02:42] <cellofellow> you need to add a username and password
[02:42] <cellofellow> right click it, and click "Scan as User"
[02:44] <Alloosh> ok I see the partition
[02:44] <Alloosh> thin k you so much guys
[02:44] <Alloosh> where to open the partitions?
[02:45] <cellofellow> it tells you in the bottom panel of the app
[02:48] <l05ty> hello..
[02:49] <l05ty> i have a really silly question, that i need answering if anyone is about..?
[02:49] <cellofellow> !ask
[02:49] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:49] <l05ty> i am running xp on my pc.. on 1 HD, but i want to dual boot
[02:50] <l05ty> when i install.. it says its goiing to partition it
[02:50] <s-x-u> and don't go before you get an answer ;)
[02:50] <cellofellow> that means it makes the drive into logical sub-drives.
[02:50] <l05ty> and delete fileson it..
[02:50] <cellofellow> You need to defragment the drive, and use the "use free space' option.
[02:50] <l05ty> i dont want it to delete my files..
[02:51] <s-x-u> first bacup ?
[02:51] <l05ty> im using the ALT version..
[02:51] <vidd> l05ty, glad to hear that....
[02:51] <cellofellow> that still has options.
[02:51] <Jester45> backup backup backup i can never say that the amount of times i need to
[02:51] <l05ty> there wasn't any free space option on it..
[02:52] <l05ty> thanks guys.. i got my friend to get me the ALT version.. the Live just wasn't working..
[02:52] <vidd> l05ty, the "use free space" option wil push windows over and make room
[02:52] <cellofellow> defrag, backup, and cleanup first. In the opposite order though. :)
[02:52] <Jester45> lol
[02:53] <l05ty> i dont understand i get to the stage it says Partition.. and there its says use guided parttion or guided something else or maunal..
[02:53] <cellofellow> use Guided, and it has options.
[02:53] <l05ty> i chose the guided partition.. and it says i have 38 and few mb its going to partition
[02:53] <l05ty> its a 40gb hdd
[02:53] <Jester45> delete everythingyou can making lots of space for the defrag and also less the backup. then backup then defrag
[02:54] <vidd> stop
[02:54] <vidd> how much of this 40 g HD is windows using?
[02:54] <l05ty> jsu checking
[02:55] <l05ty> 21 gb
[02:55] <l05ty> i have 13 free
[02:55] <s-x-u> (there are wiki's about this ....)
[02:55] <l05ty> it thought thats enough space for xubuntu to install
[02:56] <vidd> it is
[02:56] <cellofellow> it's plenty, but you still need to defragment the drive so that partitioning doesn't wipe some fragmented data.
[02:57] <l05ty> ok.. will it say what one is the windows one.. or do i i harzard a guess iwht 21 gb
[02:57] <vidd> where is that step-by-step guide....
[02:57] <cellofellow> somewhere on the docs?
[02:57] <l05ty> sorrry.. i should have googled this..
[02:57] <cellofellow> !dual-boot
[02:57] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[02:57] <l05ty> i thought it would be quicker to ask here..
[02:57] <cellofellow> try the first one
[02:58] <s-x-u> 1 scandisk 2 defrag 3 scandisk 4 backup 5 read the wiki 6 make coffee 7 install
[02:58] <l05ty> ok.. il try
[02:58] <vidd> l05ty, the guide has pictures....so you KNOW your hitting the right thing
[02:59] <s-x-u> and if you don't understand keep asking
[02:59] <vidd> well...THAT guide doesnt....
[03:00] <cellofellow> sorry, when I did Linux I jumped in both feet with a box that had just an old fedora installation.
[03:00] <vidd> l05ty, this will be helpfull too http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p17.htm
[03:00] <cellofellow> maybe I should make some screenshots using virtualbox of installing Dual-boot with alt.
[03:01] <l05ty> ok.. reading..
[03:01] <l05ty> btw thanks guys..
[03:01] <s-x-u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NlInstallatieHandleiding/DualBoot?highlight=%28install%29%7C%28dualboot%29#head-137a51f5e22de9871f463a00e16ac9ff880fca19 with images
[03:02] <vidd> s-x-u, that is good if you skiense duche
[03:03] <vidd> speak german
[03:03] <vidd> or at least READ german
[03:03] <vidd> but the pics are cool
[03:04] <s-x-u> all images are english
[03:04] <l05ty> ok.. i have to scandisk.. than defrag a few times..
[03:04] <vidd> yeah...but its a live install...hes doing the alt cuzz the live dont work for him
[03:04] <s-x-u> ok sorry
[03:05] <l05ty> fingers crossed.. i been trying to get ubuntu for quite sometime now.. hopefully one of these days.. il get it working and get online..
[03:05] <vidd> that will likely take 5-15 hours...depending on your hardware....
[03:06] <l05ty> my pc is ooold..
[03:06] <vidd> XP or older?
[03:06] <l05ty> p4 1.4 with 128mb ram
[03:06] <l05ty> was with millenium
[03:06] <s-x-u> http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/ is this something ?
[03:07] <vidd> ah...good...defrag will actually work from within the OS
[03:07] <l05ty> than upgraded to XP pro.. and im jus fed up of windows.. i like the looks of xubuntu much better
[03:07] <vidd> is there anything you HAVE to save on that xp machine?
[03:08] <l05ty> not really.. but its this one im using now..
[03:08] <l05ty> and it has all the drivers and stuff i need to use the interbnet
[03:09] <l05ty> i haven't got a network card only a wireless isb adapter.. and i found out the ubuntu will work with it..
[03:09] <vidd> do you have more then one pc?
[03:09] <l05ty> no.. jus one pc
[03:10] <s-x-u> explain repairing mbr ?
[03:10] <vidd> did the alt cd detect your usb adapter and configure the network when you did your dry run?
[03:10] <l05ty> no it didn't
[03:11] <l05ty> its a netgear wg111t
[03:11] <l05ty> on the website it said it was compatible.. so i assume it is..?
[03:12] <vidd> do you have wep or other wireless security turned on on the router?
[03:12] <cellofellow> alt cd supports wifi stuff?
[03:12] <l05ty> yea.. its on
[03:12] <vidd> cellofellow, yeah
[03:12] <cellofellow> huh
[03:13] <vidd> l05ty, that is most likely why your wifi was not automatically set up...you should do a manual network config to see if your card will work "out of the box"
[03:14] <l05ty> ahh.. do i do that during installtion?
[03:14] <vidd> cellofellow, you asked if the alt cd supports wifi...yes it does
[03:14] <vidd> yes....second step i believe
[03:14] <l05ty> ok..
[03:15] <cellofellow> vidd: ok
[03:15] <vidd> when it say "automatically configuring network...hit tab to highlight cancel (if not highlighted already) and hit enter
[03:16] <vidd> then chose set up network manually
[03:16] <l05ty> ok..
[03:17] <vidd> enter your network info (essid, gateway, ip address, netmask, wep key)
[03:17] <l05ty> im more worried about it partining my windows bit..
[03:17] <vidd> if you have wpa set up...i cant help you
[03:17] <l05ty> yea.. its wpa-psk i think
[03:17] <s-x-u> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsNetgear?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsNetgear%22&context=180
[03:18] <vidd> that will need to be set up after install is complete
[03:18] <vidd> its a shame you cant just plug into your router
[03:19] <l05ty> i wsh i had a network card.. but its a crap pc.. :)
[03:19] <l05ty> but does the job..
[03:19] <vidd> pc or lappy?
[03:19] <l05ty> pc
[03:19] <vidd> pci lan cards are like 10$
[03:19] <cellofellow> odd, no Ethernet?
[03:19] <cellofellow> yeah, they are like $10
[03:20] <l05ty> nope.. i live in the uk
[03:20] <s-x-u> did you read the link? netgear out of box but no wep
[03:20] <vidd> ok...5 euro
[03:20] <cellofellow> 5 quid
[03:20] <vidd> s-x-u, thats ok...he does wpa
[03:21] <l05ty> s-x-u thats the page i read about it.. i thought i would be able to connect with ti..
[03:21] <s-x-u> yes better turn it off for a moment ? no internet no support
[03:21] <vidd> did you price pci lan cards?"
[03:22] <vidd> 99% of lan cards (dont like saying 100%) work out of the box with linux
[03:23] <l05ty> ok.. #1. scandisk #2. defrag #3.. defrag #4. install(hopefully free partiotion thing works!) ..?
[03:23] <cellofellow> I've had problems with really old ones.
[03:23] <s-x-u> #3 scandisk
[03:23] <vidd> cellofellow, the only ones i ever had issues with were dead
[03:24] <l05ty> #1. scandisk 2. defrag #3. scandisk 4. defrag.. ?
[03:24] <cellofellow> one I had it took a lot of hunting in the list of drivers to find one that worked with Debian Netinstall.
[03:24] <s-x-u> #4 install
[03:24] <l05ty> ok.. thanks..
[03:25] <s-x-u> remember you can not ask for help during install
[03:25] <cellofellow> Firefox is being cranky and slow if I have > 2 tabs open lately.
[03:25] <cellofellow> It just crashed.
[03:25] <l05ty> right.. this is it.. guys thanks once again for all your advice tonight.. and usefull links.. hopefully next time you see me here.. il using xubuntu
[03:25] <s-x-u> luck with it
[03:26] <vidd> and then you'll be asking how to recover the wasted windows partition!
[03:26] <s-x-u> sa before said : explain repair mbr ?
[03:27] <vidd> he shouldnt need to repair MBR
[03:28] <s-x-u> well if he powers off during install while grub installed
[03:28] <s-x-u> :)
[03:28] <cellofellow> then he'd better not do that
[03:28] <vidd> then he runs the install again
[03:29] <vidd> he'll be back b4 he installs anyway....
[03:29] <s-x-u> haha yes i guess he has to (is that proper english
[03:30] <vidd> he's running xp with only 128 MB ram...that scandisk will take 3 days...and defrag will NEVER complete
[03:30] <s-x-u> woohaa
[03:31] <s-x-u> we should have given advice to remove the winxp because nothing special to backup
[03:33] <vidd> hell....i would have told him to do a clean install of ME...up[grade to xp....run the updates, then install
[03:34] <s-x-u> what would that give ?
[03:36] <vidd> a nice compact-as-possible/only-slightly-fraged system
[03:36] <vidd> and plenty of room to install
[03:37] <vidd> and save himself a week
[03:37] <cellofellow> anyone know how to increase the default font size in Firefox any?
[03:38] <s-x-u> preferences
[03:38] <vidd> s-x-u, nope
[03:38] <cellofellow> nope?
[03:39] <s-x-u> tab 3 preferences
[03:39] <vidd> no...you have to bring up that special about page...with all the confusing codes
[03:39] <cellofellow> about:config
[03:39] <cellofellow> that thing?
[03:40] <vidd> yeah
[03:40] <cellofellow> what option?
[03:40] <vidd> im looking.....
[03:40] <s-x-u> vidd: have a look in the preferences
[03:40] <vidd> i couldnt remember that page!
[03:41] <cellofellow> all preferences does is edit certain parts of about:config
[03:41] <vidd> s-x-u, yes...for the last 3 days...ever since i upgraded to gutsy and couldnt read anything in firefox
[03:42] <s-x-u> ok but maybe cellofello is able to do it the normal way ?
[03:45] <s-x-u> !truth
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about truth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <cellofellow> I dunno if it's that option (Preferences -> Content -> Fonts), cause it says my default font is DejaVu Serif 16, which should be mongo. It looks about 9.
[03:47] <s-x-u> well change it to test
[03:48] <vidd> i just know im going blind here
[03:48] <cellofellow> crazy config file, eh.
[03:48] <vidd> =] 
[03:48] <s-x-u> i'll have a look on about:config
[03:48] <vidd> but it wasnt just FF....it was EVERYTHING
[03:49] <vidd> its like the gutsy devel think eveyone has 62" plasma's or something
[03:49] <cellofellow> changing firefox font did increase size, and screw up layout
[03:50] <cellofellow> it's like the firefox fonts are all unclear and cramped.
[03:50] <vidd> but i had to upgrade....my system would go on the fritz for no apearent reason
[03:51] <s-x-u> ok wait stop hooo
[03:51] <vidd> and [ctrl] [alt] [bkspc]  would lock up my system
[03:51] <s-x-u> it happened when you upgraded to gutsy ?
[03:52] <vidd> yeah
[03:52] <vidd> cellofellow, you 2?
[03:52] <s-x-u> i had some issue with 7.10 tribe-3 livecd
[03:53] <cellofellow> other fonts are fine
[03:54] <vidd> so s-x-u was there a recommended fix?
[03:55] <s-x-u> when started from the live cd the fonts are really big while the icons are normal size resulting in unreadable gui is this the same you experienced
[03:55] <vidd> no...fonts are increadably small and icons are normal
[03:56] <cellofellow> I know Firefox is more readable on the livecd, but that's it.
[03:56] <s-x-u> ok it has to do with the driver or the dpi setting
[03:57] <cellofellow> I think the web just uses small fonts. Opera's fonts are teeny too.
[03:57] <vidd> cellofellow, there is a new default-config file....im trying it now to see if it helps
[03:57] <s-x-u> there are already some bugs reported about it in launchpad
[03:57] <cellofellow> I have 17" (16" viewable) CRT monitor, and TNT2 video card using nvidia glx legacy driver.
[03:57] <vidd>  xubuntu-default-settings
[03:58] <s-x-u> vidd im no geek :) i couldnt solve te problem my self
[03:58] <s-x-u> im now on feisty
[03:59] <vidd> im hoping that the new  xubuntu-default-settings is in reponce to this issue
[03:59] <vidd> feisty didnt work well on this sytem for some reason
[03:59] <cellofellow> what would the DPI settings be?
[03:59] <s-x-u> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/127827
[03:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127827 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gutsy]  desktop i386 tribe-3 normal icons very big font size (dup-of: 107320)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107320 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Large font in the GDM login text field after installing xserver-xorg-video-intel" [Low,Confirmed] 
[04:00] <vidd> Dots Per Inch
[04:00] <cellofellow> no, I mean for my monitor. I run at 1280x1024
[04:00] <s-x-u> you can read the discussion to learn about dpi
[04:01] <vidd> its usually 100 or 75 from what i understand
[04:01] <s-x-u> !dpi
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <s-x-u> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/118745
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118745 in libgnome "Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection" [Medium,In progress] 
[04:06] <s-x-u> Jester45: what would the DPI settings be?
[04:08] <s-x-u> :-/
[04:10] <vidd> oh....this back-up is going to take FOREVER!
[04:11] <s-x-u> are you on "running xp with only 128 MB ram...that scandisk will take 3 days...and defrag will NEVER complete" like system
[04:11] <vidd> no....im moving 32 gig of porn off this machine b4 i wipe it and start clean
[04:13] <s-x-u> ah ok im married much easier no backup needed and i can close my eyes
[04:13] <s-x-u> :-D
[04:13] <vidd> must be a newlywed!
[04:14] <s-x-u> explain that word im native dutch i dont understand
[04:14] <vidd> just married
[04:15] <s-x-u> yes 25 years
[04:15] <s-x-u> im lying
[04:15] <vidd> or "narried recently"
[04:16] <s-x-u> 9 months
[04:16] <vidd> *married
[04:16] <vidd> yeah...thats what i thought
[04:16] <vidd> ill have it here when ya need it ;] 
[04:17] <s-x-u> then delete what you want to give me (less backup ;))
[04:20] <s-x-u> i never backup exept for family photo's i can format my harddisk every moment i want www is my backup
[04:26] <vidd> ga....44 gig....this will take 11 dvd's!
[04:27] <s-x-u> bzip2
[04:28] <vidd> yeah.....
[04:28] <s-x-u> would that work compression
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> vidd: There's a half-terrabyte drive on Newegg for $109 US :)
[04:38] <vidd> how do i compress a folder...and what is the best method(s)
[04:38] <s-x-u> i dont know you are the geek :)
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> A bzip2 of a tar is usually most effective - read the man pages for those two commands (which I think are also possible through Xarchiver)
[04:40] <s-x-u> tonyyarusso: vidd: There's a half-terrabyte drive on Newegg for $109 US :) - is at also 100 times faster ?
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> s-x-u: ATA100, 16mb cache, 7200rpm.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136111
[04:42] <s-x-u> so it is only more space no speed improvements
[04:42] <vidd> gee... i hope i dont run out of HD space compressing this!
[04:45] <s-x-u> im going to bed im tired
[05:01] <eFullmer> Hello
[05:03] <eFullmer> Hello?
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> !hi
[05:06] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[05:08] <eFullmer> Thanks
[05:09] <eFullmer> I'm not sure where to start but when I try to load Xubuntu off of a Live CD the start up process doesn't complete (it stops at a blinking cursor)
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> what video card?
[05:10] <eFullmer> *checking*
[05:10] <Jester45> vidd, is that moving pron your torrentflux box?
[05:11] <eFullmer> "Diamond Viper V330 (Nvidia Riva 128)" . (If this applies, same thing happens on safe graphics mode)
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> What's your monitor size/resolution/shape?
[05:13] <eFullmer> I'm guessing it's 12", but I know the resolution is 1024x768. It's the normal aspect ratio (not widescreen)
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> odd, doesn't seem like anything unusual.
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> 7.04, or an older version?
[05:15] <eFullmer> Yep, 7.04. Same happens on Ubuntu so I figured Xubuntu might do the trick
[05:17] <vidd> eFullmer, try hitting [esc]  then typing live acpi=off
[05:17] <Jester45> !info tor
[05:17] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.26-1 (feisty), package size 806 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[05:17] <eFullmer> Okay one moment
[05:19] <eFullmer> The Xubuntu splash screen is running like before with the bar animation...
[05:19] <vidd> how much ram?
[05:21] <eFullmer> @vidd - I'll have to figure that one out when I reboot, but I am pretty sure it meets minimum requirements. I'll get back to you on that.
[05:22] <eFullmer> Okay it's now sitting at the blinking cursor again. Reboot?
[05:22] <vidd> how much ram is on the machine....minum to run, or minum to run live cd?
[05:22] <vidd> there IS a difference!
[05:22] <vidd> =] 
[05:23] <cellofellow> run you need 64MB, LiveCD needs about 128.
[05:23] <eFullmer> I am thinking it might be about 128 MB Ram
[05:23] <eFullmer> Almost rebooted into Windows
[05:24] <eFullmer> Nope it's 256 MB on an AMD Duron
[05:24] <vidd> amd64?
[05:25] <eFullmer> I'm using the i386 live CD.
[05:26] <vidd> is the processor an AMD64?
[05:27] <eFullmer> Oh sorry. No
[05:27] <maxamillion> eFullmer: is the processor an intel core2 duo, intel pentium D, or a xeon by any chance?
[05:27] <vidd> then im out of ideas....
[05:27] <maxamillion> oh ... nvm
[05:28] <maxamillion> eFullmer: sorry, my mistake
[05:28] <eFullmer> That's okay
[05:28] <eFullmer> I understand; I've been using ubuntu for 4 months on my laptop but I've not gotten to the point where I can figure stuff like this out yet :S
[05:29] <vidd> eFullmer, maybe you should grab the alt or the mini iso's
[05:30] <eFullmer> What's the mini ISO?
[05:30] <vidd> less overhead
[05:30] <vidd> the mini is a net installer
[05:30] <eFullmer> I see.
[05:30] <vidd> its less then 10 mg
[05:30] <vidd> *mb
[05:31] <vidd> it grabs all the info right from the internet
[05:31] <vidd> but it is a semi-cli install and not the live installer
[05:31] <eFullmer> I will probably have to stick with the alt install disk
[05:32] <vidd> the best part is...you can CHOOSE which *buntu you want installed (at the end)
[05:32] <eFullmer> Net connection isn't working on that computer at the moment :S
[05:32] <eFullmer> But sounds great :)
[05:33] <vidd> just added the current gutsy =] 
[05:33] <eFullmer> Thanks
[05:34] <eFullmer> I guess I'll try that when I get a chance. Thanks guys!
[07:17] <Thunderman`> How can I install nVidia drivers in Xubuntu? I have download it, but i can't install the .run file
[07:18] <Jester45> run it from a terminal
[07:18] <Jester45> open a terminal and drag the file in then press inter
[07:18] <Jester45> enter*
[07:19] <Thunderman`> I'll try :)
[07:20] <Thunderman`> "Permission denied"
[07:23] <Thunderman`> What should >I do :/
[07:24] <hyper_ch> Thunderman`: why not using the restricted driver manager?
[07:25] <Jester45> Thunderman`,  type sudo infront of it then try again
[07:25] <Jester45> enter you pass when it ask
[07:25] <Jester45> you might want to try the manager like hyper_ch said
[07:28] <Thunderman`> This is my first time when i use Xubuntu or Linux :)
[07:30] <Thunderman`> Mousepad just opened when i typed sudo infront :/
[07:31] <Jester45> ??
[07:31] <Jester45> try
[07:32] <Jester45> sudo bash file.run
[07:33] <Thunderman`> "bash: file.run: No such file or directory"
[07:33] <Jester45> replace file.run with the real name
[07:33] <Jester45> or *.run should work
[07:33] <Thunderman`> Where I can found restricted driver manager
[07:34] <Thunderman`> I'll try again :)
[07:34] <Jester45> menu -> system
[07:54] <jcs7778> I have a kubuntu system, it was running slow so i decided to install xfce on it. I am now in an xfce session, but the quit command doesn't work and i cannot log out or shut down my computer
[07:55] <Jester45> you may open a terminal and run sudo showdown now or reboot
[07:55] <Jester45> or press ctl alt delete together and logout
[07:56] <Jester45> or run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart to logout
[07:59] <jcs7778> ille try that
[07:59] <Jester45> idk what to say about the quit
[08:00] <Jester45> maybe try some other time when more people are away
[08:20] <neozen> salu
[08:20] <Jester45> gi
[08:20] <Jester45> hi
[08:34] <neozen> so what's the project of the minute?
[08:35] <Jester45> getting my ssh back
[08:35] <neozen> it went away?
[08:35] <Jester45> one of the servers i maintain is not letting me in
[08:35] <neozen> .....hmmmm
[08:35] <neozen> I think I have a mallet for that
[08:35] <Jester45> gonna have a person get it local tomaroor
[08:35] <Jester45> tomorrow
[08:36] <neozen> not much else one can do
[08:36] <neozen> aside from attach a reboot signaling box to a cellphone
[08:36] <neozen> ....have been tempted to make one of those for a while
[08:36] <Jester45> i did just get a tor node running in the past hour its transfered 164mb
[08:37] <Jester45> and will be getting faster and gaster
[08:37] <Jester45> o
[08:38] <Jester45> and my finders are being slow to night
[08:38] <Jester45> and my thumb is not pressing space
[08:41] <Jester45> well
[08:42] <Jester45> i think its a night for me
[08:42] <Jester45> gtg get up in 4 hours for work
[08:53] <neozen> lol
[08:53] <neozen> that'll be me from next week on
[08:53] <neozen> this is my last week as a free man
[10:10] <mikubuntu> hallo.  anybody know how to get to bios in an emachines etower 333k pc with a *spacious* 3.2 gb harddrive and 32 ram?
[10:12] <_nixMan> is xubuntu linux or unix?
[10:16] <_nixMan> what's the difference between the desktop release and the alternate release?
[10:16] <mikubuntu> hallo.  anybody know how to get to bios in an emachines etower 333k pc with a *spacious* 3.2 gb harddrive and 32 ram?
[10:17] <mikubuntu> i have searched everywhere i could think, and tried all the f keys but maybe i din't hit tthe right one at the right time or something
[10:17] <_nixMan> sometimes its delete
[10:17] <mikubuntu> it's booting into win 98 now and sounds like a volkswagen sans muffler
[10:18] <mikubuntu> the delete key for bios?
[10:20] <mikubuntu> nixMan: i think you were right, cuz now i'm getting another text screen instead of the previous ones i was getting, but it's asking for a current password... since i got it out of the garbage, i don't know the password... any workaround?
[10:23] <mikubuntu> now i got through to a microsoft windows 98 startup menu, is that the same as bios???
[10:24] <_nixMan> mikubuntu: i'm the man!
[10:24] <Temporo> Lo.
[10:24] <_nixMan> mikubuntu: you could reset the bios password by resetting the bios
[10:25] <_nixMan> mikubuntu: i think you can take out the battery from the motherboard for like 15min and it will be erased... some mobos have a button
[10:25] <mikubuntu> has 7 options ... 1, normal, 2, logged (/bootlog.txt), 3, safe mode, 4 safe mode with network support, 5. step by step confirmation, 6. command promt only 7, safe mode command prompt only
[10:26] <Temporo> It's an instant reset if you take the battery out and it doesn't have any power
[10:26] <_nixMan> i don't even have xubuntu... i shouldn't be helping
[10:26] <mikubuntu> nixMan:  i'm guessing this baby hadn't been started in years was so full of dust, etc, so that batt mustve been dead, yes?
[10:26] <_nixMan> Temporo: some mobos you have to wait a few minutes
[10:27] <_nixMan> so is xubuntu linux or unix?
[10:27] <Temporo> Would make sense i guess with disipating charge
[10:27] <mikubuntu> i've tried to insert the alternate install x cd but it spits it right back out
[10:27] <_nixMan> what's the difference between the desktop release and the alternate release?
[10:28] <mikubuntu> the alternate installer is a text based more stable installer
[10:28] <mikubuntu> for if you are *sure* you're gnna install
[10:29] <mikubuntu> i had trouble installing from the live cd, but i've installed 4 systems over the last two days with the alternate
[10:29] <mikubuntu> of xubuntu and ubuntu also
[10:30] <mikubuntu> but i'll be damned if i can figure out how to talk to this emachine
[10:31] <mikubuntu> is there any command for this windows startup menu that will tell it to boot from cd?
[10:31] <Temporo> I just got network-manager-gnome working under xfce4
[10:31] <Temporo> And now the associated nm-applet run three times in the tasktry
[10:32] <Temporo> I have tried a fix which was to remove and reinstall
[10:32] <Temporo> Didn't help
[10:32] <mikubuntu> you gotta hear the racket this thing makes, sounds like it's processing pebbles
[10:33] <mikubuntu> is this the time to pull out the hard drive, and try out the external harddrive case i have and attach it to my laptop?  would i be able to load x onto it that way guys?
[10:40] <Temporo> w00t!
[10:40] <Temporo> fixed it :D
[11:12] <mikubuntu> anybody familiar with and old bios by 'award software' that i have on an old acer here?  it's different from any bios page i've ever seen.  heres the lines it has: virus warning; disabled, cpu internal cache; enabled, quick power on self test; enabled, boot sequence; A,C, SCSI, swap floppy drive; disabled, boot up floppy seek; enabled, boot up numlock status; on, mem ecc funtion; enabled,...
[11:12] <mikubuntu> ...typematic rate setting; enabled, tpematic rate; 6, typematic delay; 250, security option; setup, pci/vga palette snoop; disabled, OS select for dram > 64mb; Non-OS2, HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability; enabled,  then theres a lot of stuf about  'shadow' something ........ can anyone tell me which one i might alter to try to get her to boot on the cd?
[11:17] <Selenolycus> All right, I have a problem - I just installed Xubuntu 7.04, and whenever I try to run Terminal, it crashes and logs me out.
[12:26] <mikubuntu> help... doing an alternate install of x on a presario.  the installer is telling me there's very little free space, so the install is going differently than the three i have done.  right now at partitioning, and it asking me to select from 4 choices, 1, is: SCSI1 (OOO) )sda) 8.5 bb ata st38421a; 2nd one is > #1 primary 8.4 gb b k fat32  /media/sda1 ... 3rd is : Unddo changes, and 4th is:...
[12:26] <mikubuntu> ...Finish partitioning and write to disk .. anybody tell me which one?  i'm guessing first or second op;tion?
[12:36] <mikubuntu> please, anyone have a clue what choice i make on this partition?
[12:56] <mikubuntu> partitioner is telling me that no root file system has been created, and to go back and do it, but i'm lost.
[12:58] <mikubuntu> please, i keep going around in loops cause i'm not getting the partitions right, can someone help me through this please
[12:59] <mikubuntu> guess i'll go have a smoke, brb
[01:07] <mikubuntu> i back. can someone help me to get through this partitioning please.  system is doing a 'light' installation because it said there was relatively little free space.  i don't care about saving any data on this computer i got it out of the garbage, just want to wipe it out and get x running.
[01:19] <SettlerX> Hey! Can you help me?
[01:28] <mikubuntu> SettlerX: what are you trying to do
[01:29] <SettlerX> mikubuntu: I downloaded and burned Xubuntu 7.05 CD and it can't finish booting - it displays errors - http://phpfi.com/256578
[01:29] <SettlerX> Why?
[01:29] <mikubuntu> are you booting from live cd or alternate install cd?
[01:30] <SettlerX> liveCD
[01:31] <mikubuntu> i had problems installing with the live cd as well.  someone told me that the alternate install cd was much more stable.  it's text based, takes you through the whole process step by step..
[01:32] <mikubuntu> go back to xubuntu.org and burn it, it will prolly go through fine, even tho might take a while.  i've done 4 installations with the alternate in the last couple days, but now i'm having problems on an install as well.
[01:33] <SettlerX> And if i download Ubuntu? Maybe this problem is only in Xubuntu?
[01:35] <mikubuntu> both offer alternate install cd's.  you have to determine if your hardware has the resources for ubuntu, of course, xubuntu much lighter.  i have ubuntu on this laptop, but the old desktops i installed i used x.
[01:36] <SettlerX> i will try to boot it without splashscreen
[01:36] <SettlerX> maybe i will know the reason
[01:36] <mikubuntu> it's too bad that the website doesn't really explain that very well
[01:38] <mikubuntu> the information about the installer is kind of buried way down.  i think they mistakenly believe that EVERYONE will want to try the system 'live' before they install.  but lots of people are ready to jump.
[01:40] <mikubuntu> please, can someone help me with an install partitioning?
[01:45] <mikubuntu> please, can someone help me with an install partitioning?
[01:58] <SettlerX> How to disable using SWAP?
[01:58] <SettlerX> Must I format swap partition to disable it?
[02:00] <pleia2> SettlerX: there is a swapoff command
[02:00] <pleia2> SettlerX: but why?
[02:01] <Thunderman> How can I use higher refresh rate
[02:01] <SettlerX> I wonder if i have bad blocks here so i would like to disable SWAP because liveCD generates errorsa
[02:01] <pleia2> ah, ok
[02:02] <SettlerX> Or i will format it, better Xubuntu format it correctly
[02:02] <Thunderman> 60Hz is not enough for me :D
[02:02] <pleia2> mikubuntu: have you tried the ubuntuforums? when you have older/usual hardware it might be difficult to find someone in IRC with experience, there are thousands of people on forums who might offer solutions :)
[02:08] <Thunderman> How can I use higher refresh rate :)
[02:08] <pleia2> Thunderman: have you looked through the Settings > Display Settings?
[02:17] <s-x-u> someone here with xubuntu 7.04 and openoffice installed ?
[02:17] <s-x-u> ok maybe someone is reading history :)
[02:18] <s-x-u> maybe someone can try this (i think this is wrong configuration missing functionality or a bug)
[02:18] <s-x-u> 1. start openoffice 2. open a new file 3. write a few lines 4. shutdown computer 5. when openoffice ask if you want to save the file do nothing 6. see what happens here at this point 7. start computer 8 if openoffice asks to restore the file say yes 9 then open the file 10 look for what you wrote
[02:18] <s-x-u> what happens to me is that the computer is shutting down in a few seconds without waiting for me to save my work
[02:18] <s-x-u>  and if i try to restore the file as suggested by openoffice the file is empty and my work is lost
[02:18] <s-x-u> is this a bug or something else ?
[02:18] <mikubuntu> thanks pleia, i'm in ubuntu right now with someone finally
[02:18] <s-x-u> thanks a lot for your time !
[02:20] <s-x-u> in dutch http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/topic/13695
[02:23] <Thunderman> So does anyone know how I could change my screen refresh rate
[02:27] <SettlerX> Hey!
[02:28] <SettlerX> I disabled SWAP and Xubuntu booted
[02:28] <SettlerX> :)
[03:23] <SettlerX> Xubuntu LiveCD is really slow.
[03:23] <SettlerX> I will install it later.
[03:24] <SettlerX> CD disc spins with low speed.
[03:50] <loswillios> hi
[03:51] <loswillios> I have a problem with nvidia-drivers
[03:52] <loswillios> ERROR: API mismatch: The nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-7184 but this X module has the version 1.0-9631
[03:52] <loswillios> I think nvidia-kernel-* is provided by linux-restricted-modules
[03:52] <loswillios> but I can't figure out, why it selects the wrong driver version
[03:54] <logd> hi how much ram xubuntu requires (minimum)?
[03:55] <someguy> hey everyone
[03:55] <someguy> is there an xfce equivalent of KNetworkManager?
[03:55] <loswillios> logd: I have it running with 256
[03:56] <pleia2> logd: check out the minimum system requirements here: http://xubuntu.org/get
[03:56] <logd> i mean i would like to know i i can run with 64
[03:56] <loswillios> heh
[03:58] <someguy> guess not
[03:58] <logd> m ok
[03:58] <logd> just another thing: a p3 600mhz 64m ram can be a "karaoke machine" mean to be able to just play midi files ?
[03:59] <someguy> midi music?  lol
[03:59] <logd> yeah
[04:15] <someguy> is there an xfce equivalent of KNetworkManager?
[04:19] <someguy> none is in here
[04:19] <someguy> ugh!
[04:20] <pleia2> someguy: xfce doesn't have it's own network app, you can use the KDE one or the Gnome one
[04:20] <someguy> thanks
[04:35] <Blauhaut> What is xubuntu guys  *
[04:45] <s-x-u> someone an idea about the question i asked before
[04:51] <s-x-u> !xubuntu
[04:51] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[05:23] <Thunderman> Hi
[05:23] <Thunderman> How can I install -bin file (Google Earth)
[05:23] <parsle1> Hi
[05:24] <zials> Thunderman, you have to use the command: chamd +x FileName
[05:25] <zials> chmod*
[05:25] <zials> Thunderman - beh, visit -> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[05:26] <parsle1> how can I input japanese characters in text or email. I changed the input method to scim but dont know how to come to anthy - whatever I did nothing happened.
[05:36] <s-x-u> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/132944
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132944 in Ubuntu "Xubuntu forces shutdown, no waiting for saving document in OpenOffice" [Undecided,New] 
[06:32] <Catoptromancy> i thought openoffice kept a temp file that is constantly saving?
[06:32] <Catoptromancy> when normally closed temp file is erased
[06:32] <Catoptromancy> but if forced closed, it cant close temp,
[06:33] <Catoptromancy> so when you restart the "restore previous" option is there, and it uses the temp
[06:33] <s-x-u> hi i have been away for a while
[06:35] <s-x-u> Catoptromancy: are you answering my question ?
[06:49] <feliciano> hello guys... look: I'm using Opera and now Its frezze a lot, when I run it from a terminal this is the error I got... please help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33950/
[06:50] <BFTD> feliciano in what way did you install Opera?
[06:51] <feliciano> I download the .deb file from the site
[06:51] <BFTD> oh
[06:51] <BFTD> well
[06:51] <BFTD> I did the same
[06:51] <feliciano> BFTD but I see it upgrade whit APT
[06:52] <BFTD> I also opened it up in terminal and I got that same error and it works just fine
[06:52] <BFTD> feliciano do you have automatix installed? One of opera's worst enemies is automatix, thehy don't like each other
[06:52] <feliciano> BTFD but the last part too??
[06:53] <feliciano> BTFD no. I dont like automatix
[06:53] <BFTD> good
[06:53] <BFTD> and stay that way
[06:53] <BFTD> ok
[06:53] <Ramla> yeap, i get that same error, just have to open a site using flash plugin
[06:53] <BFTD> yeah I also get the last part too
[06:54] <feliciano> mmm
[06:55] <BFTD> feliciano what version do you have?
[06:55] <feliciano> 9.23 I guess let me see
[06:56] <feliciano> yeah... 9.23
[06:56] <BFTD> ok
[06:56] <BFTD> I'm upgrading right no
[06:56] <BFTD> now
[06:56] <BFTD> I'll see if I get this problem
[06:56] <feliciano> ok
[06:56] <feliciano> thanks
[06:57] <feliciano> another question.. BTFD which way you use to install java??
[06:58] <Jester45> i did like using the repo
[06:58] <Jester45> apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:59] <feliciano> nice
[06:59] <BFTD> yeah, feliciano I do it another, much harder way
[06:59] <BFTD> use the repo's as much as possible
[07:00] <BFTD> decreases the chance of problems
[07:00] <Jester45> useing the repos are be best thing to do when installing new apps unless you need something special like a newer version or a option that has to be set at compile time
[07:01] <BFTD> yeah
[07:02] <feliciano> somebody use ardour???
[07:02] <feliciano> I never got it work
[07:02] <Jester45> BFTD, that tor node i was talking about last night is using 7.33mb/s
[07:03] <BFTD> still no idea what a tor node is
[07:04] <Jester45> https://tor.eff.org/
[07:05] <Jester45> hi maxamillion
[07:05] <s-x-u> http://tor.eff.org/ about tor
[07:05] <maxamillion> hi Jester45
[07:05] <Jester45> s-x-u, i guess you use it?
[07:05] <s-x-u> no googled for it
[07:06] <feliciano> I like a lot Opera, but its give me a lot of problems... :( I hope in the future it work better in linux
[07:07] <s-x-u> didnt use google but ixquick :)
[07:10] <s-x-u> Jester45: o wait ... you answered already in the time i was searching :)
[07:10] <Jester45> :)
[07:10] <Jester45> im faster googler
[07:13] <s-x-u> Jester45: are you also on #xubuntu-devel
[07:14] <Jester45> why
[07:15] <s-x-u> because of my question i asked there
[07:19] <s-x-u> Jester45:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/132944
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132944 in xfce4-session "Xubuntu forces shutdown, no waiting for saving document in OpenOffice" [Undecided,New] 
[07:19] <s-x-u> you dont have to install just think about it
[07:21] <s-x-u> jester45: you can try it with abiword
[07:22] <s-x-u> ok with emacs or vim
[07:22] <Jester45> mousepad is my only gui editor
[07:22] <s-x-u> try it with mousepad
[07:23] <Jester45> mousepad doesnt save tmpfiles
[07:23] <s-x-u> ok forget that part
[07:23] <Jester45> :)
[07:24] <Jester45> and i use nano for cli
[07:24] <s-x-u> ok forget everything
[07:24] <s-x-u> :):):)
[07:24] <Jester45> forget what :)
[07:24] <s-x-u> huh what ?
[07:25] <s-x-u> paused
[07:28] <Thunderman> I'm upgrading Xubuntu to version 6.10
[07:28] <Jester45> why no go to 7.04
[07:28] <Thunderman> Should I boot it from CD?
[07:28] <Jester45> you do have to upgrade to 6.10 first then upgrade again
[07:28] <Jester45> no
[07:28] <Thunderman> Ok :)
[07:29] <Jester45> edit your sources.list then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:29] <Jester45> are youusign 6.06 now? (dapper)
[07:29] <Thunderman> Why 7.04 is better than older version :D
[07:29] <Thunderman> I think so
[07:30] <Thunderman> I don't know how to install Google Earth :/
[07:31] <Thunderman> is it possible to use KDE and Gnome programs in Xubuntu :)
[07:31] <Jester45> yes
[07:31] <Jester45> you just install them via apt
[07:32] <Thunderman> But I don't know how to do that :D
[07:32] <Jester45> what do you want to install
[07:32] <Jester45> you can also use synaptics
[07:32] <Thunderman> Ok
[07:32] <Thunderman> Now I want to install Google Earth
[07:33] <Jester45> does google earth run on linux?
[07:34] <Thunderman> Yes
[07:34] <Jester45> well
[07:34] <Thunderman> But I haven't installed it
[07:34] <Jester45> i think you will need to find .deb or compile from source
[07:35] <Jester45> because its not in the repos
[07:35] <Thunderman> And Google Earth is a .bin file
[07:35] <Jester45> have you tried double clicking it
[07:35] <Jester45> and try opening a terminal and typing sudo bash
[07:36] <Jester45> then drag the file into the terminal
[07:36] <Jester45> then press enter and type your password and press enter
[07:36] <Thunderman> Last time mousepad just opened
[07:37] <Thunderman> What? It works now! Thank you :)
[07:38] <Thunderman> I just double clicked it and typed a command
[07:39] <Thunderman> :D
[07:43] <Thunderman> Before I had a XP. Should Xubuntu be lighter than XP? :)
[07:43] <Jester45> yea
[07:43] <Jester45> very
[07:44] <Thunderman> Memory usage: 104MB/186MB, but CPU is maybe little bottle neck
[07:44] <Thunderman> P2 375MHz
[07:45] <Jester45> you might want to use fluxblox or and altnernative window manger to save more ram
[07:45] <Jester45> !wm
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <Jester45> !windowmanger
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmanger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <Jester45> !fluxbox
[07:45] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[07:45] <Jester45> !evilwm
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evilwm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <Jester45> darn
[07:46] <Thunderman> I think 186MZ is enough. Can I see how much I have data in page file?
[07:46] <Thunderman> *MB
[07:46] <Jester45> yea
[07:46] <Jester45> just a sec
[07:47] <Jester45> run cat /proc/meminfo in a terminal
[07:47] <Jester45> then look at swapfree/swap total
[07:48] <Jester45> the diffrence is the amount in use
[07:48] <Thunderman> ok
[07:48] <Jester45> if you wanting to look often
[07:48] <Thunderman> 99MB
[07:48] <Jester45> try the system moniter panel plugin
[07:48] <Jester45> swap doesnt get removed untill its filled
[07:49] <Thunderman> ok
[07:49] <Jester45> so it will just keep going up
[07:49] <Thunderman> yeah
[07:49] <Jester45> its a good thing so that you dont have to keep rewriting to it
[07:49] <Jester45> like if you had 1gb of swap you might be using 10% of ram but 80% of swap
[07:50] <Jester45> there is also something called swapiness that is the amount of swap/ram to use
[07:50] <Jester45> like for me i have lots of ram so i dont use my swap at all right now it using lunder 100kb
[07:52] <Thunderman> ok
[07:54] <Thunderman> Why 7.04 is better than older version
[07:55] <Jester45> it has newer packages
[07:55] <Jester45> you dont have to upgrade if you dont
[07:55] <Jester45> if your using an older system you might want to stick with dapper or edgy as they are faster
[07:56] <Thunderman> I have P2 375MHz, 192MB SDRAM, 15GB 5400RPM HDD and GeForce 256 32MB
[07:56] <Thunderman> Should i use newer version?
[07:56] <Thunderman> Or just a 6.10
[07:58] <Thunderman> Now i have maybe 6.04
[08:01] <Jester45> if you happy with what you got leave it
[08:02] <Thunderman> I'm so noob that I can't even install files :(
[08:03] <mattgyver83> Thunderman, 7.04 is really just an update and will have better driver support, though im using 6.10 ubuntu, and 7.04 kubuntu (a difference, i think not)\
[08:04] <Thunderman> But same programs...?
[08:04] <mattgyver83> Yup
[08:04] <Jester45> new versions and more programs that you can install
[08:05] <mattgyver83> anybody know how much a kvm switch costs?
[08:06] <GotGames|Twelve-> Need help on install xubuntu from a USB Flash Drive :)
[08:06] <GotGames|Twelve-> installing*
[08:38] <uptownben> Hi All. How can I add a battery monitor to my toolbar next to the clock?
[08:41] <hyper_ch> uptownben: right-click --> add new item --> battery monitor
[08:42] <uptownben> really?
[08:42] <uptownben> let me try that
[08:42] <hyper_ch> uptownben: and if it's not there, you need to install adesklet
[08:43] <hyper_ch> uptownben: adesklets - interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System  --> a few more desklets but I dunno if the battery is in the defaults one
[08:43] <uptownben> nice!!!!
[08:43] <hyper_ch> uptownben: so it's working?
[08:44] <uptownben> Sure is.. Can I move it?
[08:45] <hyper_ch> uptownben: sure, right-click on it and select "move" ;)
[08:45] <uptownben> Nice!!!
[08:45] <uptownben> XUBUNTU is hot!!
[08:46] <hyper_ch> sure it is - that's why I use it
[08:47] <uptownben> I wanted to browse my windows network (SMB) usually I see a LinNeighborhood, what is XUBUNTU's version?
[08:48] <hyper_ch> uptownben: no clue, I use Konqueror
[08:55] <uptownben> Can I browse shared network folders with konquerer?
[08:59] <hyper_ch> uptownben: yes
[09:00] <hyper_ch> uptownben: however konqueror is a kde app so it will download quite a few kde libraries and also load them when you start konqueror... some people do not like that... I however use just what I think is the best :)
[09:00] <uptownben> Ahh.. I see, I dont really want anything heavy
[09:03] <uptownben> I'm looking at SMB4K
[09:03] <kalikiana> uptownben, Try fusesmb
[09:03] <uptownben> I dont see it in Add.remove
[09:07] <kalikiana> uptownben, What version do you have? I think it's in Feisty.
[09:07] <kalikiana> No idea if it's in add/remove.
[09:07] <uptownben> 7.04
[09:07] <kalikiana> Sicne there are not all packages afaik.
[09:08] <kalikiana> So fire up synaptic or try 'apt-cache search fusesmb'
[09:09] <uptownben> If in add/remove it says "integrates well with kubuntu" does that mean that it will load a whole bunch of KDE libs and crap?
[09:10] <kalikiana> uptownben, Depends. Did you find fusesmb there?
[09:11] <kalikiana> That one definitely runs w/o any gui, so it doesn't even require X.
[09:12] <uptownben> yes..it's there
[09:13] <uptownben> is it lite?
[09:13] <ubu> what version of xfce is in xubuntu feisty?
[09:14] <kalikiana> uptownben, Yes it is, it's merely a daemon with no gui. You should look in the wiki or forums.
[09:55] <DaBeowulf> Does anyone here use TeamSpeak? Ppl said I was far too quiet so I tried to amp the mic (tried xfce4-mixer alsamixer and amixer) and now I don't have any sounds in TS at all others aps still do though.
[09:56] <DaBeowulf> I cannot use alsa-oss I guess because I'm on an AMD64 built?
[09:57] <DaBeowulf> Well I tried that anyway and it wouldn't work and comes up with an error message instead.
[10:07] <uptownben> wtf!?  I just use synaptic to install pyNieghborhood and now I have no menus at the top of my desktop(!!??)
[10:08] <uptownben> I'm gonna reboot
[10:15] <uptownben> OK. Maybe someone can help me. I just used Synaptic to install a package and after it was done my menus disappeared from the top of my desktop
[10:16] <uptownben> So I cant access any applications through the GUI
[10:16] <uptownben> How do I get my menus back? I see the firefox icon and the "home" folder icon
[10:16] <uptownben> but no menu
[10:23] <DaBeowulf> How can I possibly have broken oss sound with xfce4-mixer alsamixer or amixer?
[10:25] <uptownben> anyon eknow how to get my top menus back?
[10:26] <DaBeowulf> What have you done?
[10:26] <DaBeowulf> Hit Ctrl+ESC
[10:26] <DaBeowulf> Settings
[10:26] <DaBeowulf> Display
[10:27] <DaBeowulf> Has the resolution changed and are other things missing, too?
[10:29] <uptownben> nothing else is missing, the resolution did not change
[10:29] <DaBeowulf> Does Ctrl+ESC bring up the Apps menu?
[10:29] <uptownben> no
[10:30] <uptownben> everything was working fine until I installed pyNeighborhood and smbfs
[10:30] <uptownben> using synaptic
[10:32] <uptownben> any ideas?
[10:32] <uptownben> I was really enjoying XUBUNTU
[10:32] <DaBeowulf> No sorry, I'm just a dumb user, too. :P
[10:33] <uptownben> anybody
[10:39] <zials> hmm?
[10:39] <zials> your panels aren't showing?
[10:39] <uptownben> yes
[10:39] <uptownben> I see everything except the top menus that were there before
[10:40] <zials> you see the bottom menu?
[10:40] <uptownben> do you think my menu.xml file was currupted?
[10:40] <uptownben> bottom menu?
[10:40] <zials> well, you have 2 panels by default don't you?
[10:41] <uptownben> on the bottom I see the desktop icon and on the right I see 4 "workspaces" and a trash can
[10:41] <uptownben> with my ChatZilla button in the middle
[10:42] <uptownben> (middle left)
[10:42] <zials> mhmm...
[10:42] <zials> well, you can try killing xfce4-panel, and then running it again
[10:43] <uptownben> I already rebooted
[10:43] <zials> or create the top panel from scratch x.x
[10:43] <uptownben> I heard about the menu.xml fix..
[10:43] <zials> never heard of it... there is a panels.xml
[10:44] <zials> because the menu.xml is for the applications menu
[11:27] <hyper_ch> !mp3
[11:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:13] <elite101> hello*
[12:13] <elite101> does Xubuntu use Desktop enviorment KDE?
[12:13] <elite101> or that Tribe thing?
[12:14] <elite101> nvm lol xfce
[12:15] <zials> heh
[12:15] <zials> KDE would be Kubuntu ;)
[12:16] <zials> Tribe is just used for the beta versions I believe
[12:18] <xubu> how do i install an xfce theme? i tried extracting it to ~/home/myusername/.themes but it wont show up in the user interface preferences
[12:22] <zials> mhmm.. what type is it?
[12:22] <Pumpernickel> ~/ is a representation of /home/youruser/ - using both is redundant.
[12:22] <xubu> xfce theme frome xfce-look.org
[12:22] <Pumpernickel> More specifically, it wouldn't work.
[12:23] <xubu> sorry bad syntax on my part
[12:23] <xubu> the folder is imy home directory though
[12:23] <xubu> in*
[12:24] <zials> mhmm, do you have a link to where you got it from?
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> is there a way to turn off extra mouse functions?
[12:25] <zials> such as...?
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> I need a game that lets me mouse1 and mouse2 at same time
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> but when i do both buttons at same time it does mouse3
[12:26] <elite101> mhm im downloading Xubuntu 7.10 gutsy Tribe4 im going to install it once its done im currently using kubuntu*
[12:27] <elite101> my kubuntu rite now is 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[12:27] <xubu_> sorry got disconnected
[12:28] <xubu_> i doublechecked, my themes are extracted to my /home/user/ directory, but still wont show up in the ui manager