[12:16] <Agent_bob> stdin i'll give a look.   but by top of screen, you mean just below the bar that is there already    right ?
[12:16] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: and it also keeps the terminal active when hidden, so the running program runs.
[12:17] <jhutchins> waylandbill: Just push it off onto a different desktop.
[12:17] <Assid> which dock do i need?
[12:17] <jhutchins> waylandbill: Or minimize it.  Or shade it.
[12:17] <raquel_> on the Adept package issue - can I kill it from the console - so that I can restart it 'normally' again??
[12:17] <stdin> Agent_bob: no, from the top of the viable screen, ie: it has no window decoration
[12:17] <jhutchins> raquel_: Yes, you may need to fix the lock file.
[12:17] <waylandbill> jhutchins: can do that, but I'm used to the key access on any desktop.
[12:17] <raquel_> jhutchins - how do I fix the lock file?
[12:17] <jhutchins> waylandbill: Configure a shortcut key.
[12:17] <stdin> Agent_bob: have you played quake/doom or those type of games
[12:18] <Agent_bob> stdin no
[12:18] <stdin> Agent_bob: well, it's like that anyway, it appears and disappears with a key press
[12:18] <jhutchins> raquel_: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:18] <kazuma_> is that possible?
[12:18] <kazuma_> play doom or diablo 2 for example?
[12:20] <raquel_> Output: Setting up java-common (0.25ubuntu2) ...
[12:21] <raquel_> Setting up libltdl3 (1.5.22-4) ...
[12:21] <raquel_> Setting up odbcinst1debian1 (2.2.11-13) ...
[12:21] <raquel_> Setting up unixodbc (2.2.11-13) ...
[12:21] <stdin> raquel_: ?
[12:21] <raquel_> Setting up gcc-3.3-base (3.3.6-15ubuntu1) ...
[12:21] <raquel_> Setting up libstdc++5 (3.3.6-15ubuntu1) ..
[12:22] <drif> stdin: damn that's handy :D
[12:22] <stdin> drif: yep :)
[12:22] <waylandbill> jhutchins: not saying you are incorrect. You have a good way to set it up. I have a good powered system that can handle the 'eye-candy' way of handling a hidden terminal. I may as well use the CPU cycles. :-)
[12:22] <raquel_> That's what it output - so does this mean it's fixed (not very good with the Konsole stuff!!
[12:22] <stdin> raquel_: if you don't see "error" then it's fine
[12:23] <gan|y|med> hello
[12:23] <jhutchins> waylandbill: Interesting.  I just hadn't seen the concept before.
[12:23] <gan|y|med> i have a serious emergency, so any help is deeply appreciated.
[12:23] <jhutchins> If you have a serious emergency, please hang up and dial 911.
[12:24] <raquel_> stdin - thank you (and sorry if that was 'spammy' but I wanted to show what it output..)
[12:24] <gan|y|med> for about 2 days i haven't been able to access almost any websites in feisty, with any browser
[12:24] <drif> stdin: is yours by any chance set to 'correct' hotkey? ;)
[12:24] <jhutchins> !pastebin | raquel_ for more than a couple lines:
[12:24] <stdin> raquel_: if you have a large paste, we have a website for you to paste it to
[12:24] <ubotu> raquel_ for more than a couple lines:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:25] <stdin> drif: f12 by default, I use ~ too much in commands to use that
[12:25] <gan|y|med> i can ping websites (ip as well as names), can connect to icq/aim, but cannot open irc. everything works in winxo
[12:25] <gan|y|med> p
[12:25] <drif> stdin: ah forgot :D my ~ doesn't originate from there
[12:25] <raquel_> ubotu - forgot about that - I've not had to come ask annoying question here in a long long long time....
[12:25] <stdin> !bot | raquel_
[12:25] <ubotu> raquel_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:25] <gan|y|med> has anyone had this problem?
[12:25] <raquel_> Yep it is
[12:26] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Check your proxy settings.
[12:26] <gan|y|med> no proxy
[12:26] <gan|y|med> just plain dsl router
[12:26] <yeniklasorr> wow stdin : How to delete all files in a folder without a spesific file/folder with terminal ?
[12:26] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: That's why you need to check the settings.
[12:26] <drif> stdin: and I never use that "law" sign :D
[12:26] <gan|y|med> there is no proxy enabled with no browser
[12:26] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: Copy the file to a different folder and delete the rest of the files.
[12:26] <gan|y|med> i can access some website like www.google.co.uk.
[12:27] <raquel_> Q: - can I still get Enlightenment Desktop Manager? and if so where - and will it work on Kubuntu (Feisty)
[12:27] <gan|y|med> but i cannot access www.google.com
[12:27] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: There are very tricky methods that you could use, but you could loose the file.
[12:27] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : If that folder has 4 gb space :(
[12:27] <gan|y|med> some websites just time out, others send their title, but no content is shown
[12:27] <stdin> drif: ~ = $HOME
[12:28] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: well, you can try patterns that match some of the files, then some of the other files.
[12:28] <drif> stdin: I'm using fi-keyboard
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: have you rebooted the router?
[12:28] <gan|y|med> this is completely freaking me out. it is not the router or the card, as they both work in xp. some inet services work, most don't.
[12:28] <stdin> drif: it's nothing to with the keyboard, the ~ symbol is just a shortcut to mean your home dir
[12:28] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You can use a find command, work on it until it skips that file, then use -exec rm {} /;
[12:29] <gan|y|med> don't have access to the router. but as i said, i am using it right now
[12:29] <yeniklasorr> ok
[12:29] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You can also use mc.
[12:29] <drif> stdin: I beg to differ :D I just meant my 'original quake-hotkey' doesn't give ~
[12:29] <gan|y|med> i tried disabling ipv6, but nothing changed
[12:29] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: sounds like it might be a dns problem.
[12:29] <gan|y|med> i used a slightly older kernel, to no avail
[12:29] <stdin> drif: I remember it being ~ ?? been years tho
[12:30] <drif> stdin: you're correct..but not on _my_ keyboard layout
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> jhutchins: doesn't sound like DNS if he's getting partial loads.
[12:30] <jhutchins> LeeJunFan: That sounds like flaky connection.
[12:30] <stdin> drif: ahh, yeah, it was ` on mine
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> jhutchins: he said he gets the page title, but the page itself doesn't load.
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> jhutchins: yeah, I'd say the router needs rebooted.
[12:30] <stdin> drif: which was ~ in the game
[12:31] <jhutchins> LeeJunFan: Yeah, I think I'd try that too, but he said he doesn't have access/
[12:31] <jhutchins> ?
[12:31] <kaminix> Now, is there any reason in the world that KDE would use SCIM over SKIM on my laptop? I don't see it!
[12:31] <gan|y|med> thing is, some pages i haven't been able to load all along with this connection (which usually work), but since 2 days ago they keep getting more and more
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: I had a problem kind of like yours with an entire network, turned out to be a bad NIC in the linux router. Only certain sites, and sometimes only certian parts of certain sites. Very odd.
[12:31] <gan|y|med> NIC?
[12:32] <[saylar] > maybe a problem with the MTU size
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: network interface card
[12:32] <killown> how do i to enable any flags gcc for optmization in dpkg-buildpackage "it compile package in i386 architecture whithout my flags gcc"
[12:32] <killown> ?
[12:32] <gan|y|med> but why would it work without any probs in xp?
[12:32] <CS5> ganlymed, do you have wireless card and fixed or just a fixed connection?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: yeah, as [saylar]  said, maybe MTU setting?
[12:32] <gan|y|med> wireless
[12:32] <waylandbill> that would make a good bot blurb.. !nic. :)
[12:33] <ZeuGiRDoR> It's possible to improve the appearance of Java Applications under KDE? With Gnome, it takes the GTK style, but not under KDE
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: sudo ifconfig [network interface]  mtu 1492
[12:33] <stdin> killown: edit the rules file and change that arch
[12:33] <[saylar] > but on the other hand, if xp is working is most likely not a problem with MTU, because it is set in the router
[12:34] <CS5> I had the same issue for awhile before all my upgrading and updates....Still cant say WHAT the problem was, but it was identical to yours, i have both wired and wireless connections, always went wrong with the wireless enabled.
[12:34] <killown> stdin thanks
[12:34] <gan|y|med> thing is, this also assumes i don't use networkmanager
[12:34] <gan|y|med> what did you update?
[12:34] <gan|y|med> but why is it getting worse
[12:35] <killown> stdin, I need add it flags -O3 -march=prescott -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: that part sounds like hardware.
[12:35] <gan|y|med> and all the settings (ip, nameserver, gateway, bcast, netmask) are exactly the same in xp
[12:35] <elite101> hey is there MSpaint nock-off?
[12:35] <killown> where I set it?
[12:35] <rodrigo> what diffence between might and can?
[12:35] <elite101> is there a M$paint knock-off at all? like how they have Wine/Mine
[12:35] <lontra> elite101: there are tools much better than that ... try gimp or krita
[12:35] <elite101> no
[12:35] <raquel_> eliteror - just use the Gimp - it rocks
[12:36] <gan|y|med> why hardware? my nic works in xp, the router, too
[12:36] <stdin> killown: you see the DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE variable ?
[12:36] <elite101> but i need simple
[12:36] <lontra> elite101: use ms then
[12:36] <elite101> how?
[12:36] <killown> stdin nope
[12:36] <elite101> ohh lol
[12:36] <stdin> killown: should be right at the top
[12:36] <elite101> well i thought there was a M$ paint i can use
[12:36] <elite101> without the windows
[12:36] <killown> ok
[12:36] <drif> stdin: took me some time to found the correct name (was too lazy to reset the hotkey;) - I meant "section sign" and I never seem to use it anyway
[12:36] <drif> find
[12:36] <stdin> killown: well close to the top
[12:36] <lontra> elite101: maybe you can run it via wine but i don't know why you'd want to
[12:36] <killown> stdin, I do apt-build source kdebase
[12:37] <raquel_> How do I see the net work path from my WINXP computer to my KUBUNTU computer - Win wants me to show the 'network address' in a URL format....
[12:37] <killown> does not show it
[12:37] <killown> in rules file
[12:37] <gan|y|med> that's really weird. a lot of people have complained about slow inet (which is exactly what i had) and disabling ipv6 should have fixed it. however, in my case it seemed to make it worse
[12:37] <killown> stdin, DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS only
[12:37] <CS5> ganlymed, upgraded to feisty and updated everything
[12:37] <waylandbill> elite101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_raster_graphics_editors#Open_Source_software
[12:37] <elite101> i need a MS paint
[12:37] <basfrank> hi
[12:37] <elite101> lol u cant download it
[12:37] <elite101> :(
[12:38] <CS5> Found the biggest issues started with the install of amsn
[12:38] <raquel_> elite101 - why do you NEED MS Paint?
[12:38] <rodrigo> raquel where are you from?
[12:38] <killown> stdin, http://rafb.net/p/vzogGF68.html
[12:38] <raquel_> Florida
[12:38] <elite101> its better
[12:38] <drif> elite101: I believe you can run ms paint with wine like lontra said - atleast I've succesfully run couple of softwares
[12:38] <elite101> i need a light weight image editor
[12:39] <elite101> u cant get MSpaint i dont think
[12:39] <elite101> u cant just download it
[12:39] <waylandbill> elite101: look at the link I sent. Has simple raster editors.
[12:39] <drif> you don't have windows on any machine?
[12:39] <raquel_> The Gimp is the best I've used for editing images (and creating them)
[12:39] <drif> sorry for swearing though..
[12:39] <elite101> thanx
[12:40] <killown> stdin, I must do apt-get source kde?   apt-build source kdebase  I get differ files
[12:40] <elite101> windows paint is better than anything else
[12:40] <raquel_> elite101 - your in the wrong place to make such a claim
[12:40] <drif> elite101: I can't see reason why it would be
[12:40] <stdin> killown: apt-get source kdebase, to get kdebase
[12:40] <stdin> killown: why are you building it anyway?
[12:41] <killown> stdin but file >> rules is differ
[12:41] <killown> dont show me DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE variable
[12:41] <elite101> no u see its easyer to use than gimp all i do is like add text and stuff gimp is a hassle i need a program i can just load in 0.002sec and not have to worry about layers***
[12:41] <waylandbill> !troll
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <rodrigo> ok, i thought t you from Brazil... because your name is common a lot here... :)
[12:42] <drif> elite101: running util with wine ain't making it lightweight though
[12:42] <elite101> urgghhh
[12:42] <elite101> lol
[12:42] <stdin> killown: why are you building it?
[12:42] <elite101> my as well stick with windows on the whole "mspaint" thing ;)
[12:42] <alexbe01__> mmm, pixel art :)
[12:42] <raquel_> rodriqo - it's my daughters name (I'm on her computer and didn't have this set to see me and all of my passwords and such....
[12:42] <jeffmitchell> hi all, what's a good firewall to use with KDE? is there a command line based one?
[12:43] <killown> stdin I want to compile kdebase
[12:43] <stdin> !firewall | jeffmitchell
[12:43] <ubotu> jeffmitchell: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:43] <drif> elite101: and once you get the grasp of program like gimp..it's as simple as paint when needed to and also capable being as complex (nearly) as photoshop
[12:43] <jeffmitchell> ok thanks :D
[12:43] <stdin> killown: any reason, or just curious ?
[12:43] <elite101> yeah but if u use paint u know what i mean
[12:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> 1.5MB/s...  this is a drag
[12:43] <elite101> paint is soo advanced
[12:43] <elite101> paint is as powerful as photoshop if u know how to use it
[12:44] <elite101> or gimp
[12:44] <stdin> no, it's not
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> paint is certainly gimped.
[12:44] <raquel_> elite101 - I've used paint - and erm yeah - I only use the Gimp now (I have it on my WinXP computer as well)
[12:44] <drif> stdin: don't even start that ;)
[12:44] <killown> stdin kde more fast
[12:44] <elite101> paint is better
[12:44] <elite101> like it can be advanced too
[12:44] <drif> I smell a little troll here..
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: if you have pages that don't finish loading you don't have slow internet, you have broken internet - different than the ipv6 issue.
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> drif: yeah, you.
[12:44] <elite101> if u know what to do
[12:45] <stdin> elite101: please discuss the pros of MS paint in offtopic, or better still in ##windows
[12:45] <drif> Daisuke_Laptop: takes one to spot one
[12:45] <waylandbill> #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:45] <killown> stdin, then... this variable not exist
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: anywhere else you can go to test your wireless? A Cafe, library?
[12:45] <drif> waylandbill: true
[12:45] <elite101> lol
[12:45] <stdin> killown: have you compiled many things before ?
[12:45] <waylandbill> stdin beat me too it. :-)
[12:45] <raquel_> LeeJunFan - find a friend with a wireless router??
[12:46] <killown> stdin yes
[12:46] <elite101> need i say more? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1TTs8iQWgA
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> now if i could jsut get synaptics to recognize my trackpad as a trackpad and not a mouse.  i miss being able to scroll already
[12:46] <killown> many many
[12:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> !offtopic | elite101
[12:46] <ubotu> elite101: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> raquel_: right, or just drive down the road 100' until you find a network named 'linksys' :0
[12:46] <stdin> elite101: #kubuntu-offtopic < last time
[12:47] <raquel_> lol LeeJunFan
[12:47] <stdin> killown: edit the DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS with --host and --target set to your arch
[12:47] <rodrigorocha> raquel_: ohhh ok
[12:47] <killown> stdin and my flags?
[12:47] <killown> -O3 -march=prescott -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
[12:47] <elite101> go to kubuntu off topiv
[12:47] <elite101> topic8
[12:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> who?
[12:48] <elite101> everyone
[12:48] <stdin> killown: CCOPTS and CPPOPTS i think
[12:48] <killown> ok
[12:49] <killown> ok
[12:50] <raquel_> rodrigorocha - I had to rebuild the connection about 5 times before I made it 'stay' working after a reboot of Kubuntu...
[12:50] <killown> stdin, --host i686 --target ?
[12:51] <raquel_> How do I get to a shared folder on my XP computer from Kubuntu?
[12:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> install kubuntu instead of xp :P
[12:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually, samba's the way to go
[12:52] <stdin> killown: linux-i686 iirc (and it's COPTS not CCOPTS)
[12:52] <dacorr> if i recall samba worked wonders from the linux end windows was not to friendly about it though
[12:52] <raquel_> Daisuke_Laptop - I wish that 1st was an option (as I have an AMD64 that would love Kubuntu 64)
[12:52] <stdin> killown: needs to be set for both --host and --build
[12:52] <raquel_> do I need to install Samba on the WinXP computer??
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> raquel_: you already have the folder shared on XP?
[12:53] <CoCo_> a girl?
[12:53] <stdin> raquel_: no
[12:53] <raquel_> LeeJunFan - yes
[12:53] <CoCo_> hello im ricardo from Costa Rica
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> raquel_: just open konqueror and type smb:/ in the location. That should show you available workgroups.
[12:53] <kazuma_> si piensas ligar aqui ve al offtopic coco
[12:54] <kazuma_> xD
[12:54] <raquel_> oh let me try that.......
[12:54] <CoCo_> q es eso
[12:54] <CoCo_> soy nuevo aqui
[12:54] <kazuma_> a ok
[12:54] <kazuma_> see yo mas o menos
[12:54] <kazuma_> stdin es muy buena ayuda
[12:54] <kazuma_> es master en estas cosas
[12:55] <raquel_> LeeJunFan - you rock - that worked :D
[12:55] <raquel_> no just need to work on that from the other direction....
[12:55] <raquel_> lol
[12:55] <gan|y|med> hey, i am still having the prob of not being able to access any website in feisty. any ideas?
[12:56] <dacorr> have you pinged them to find if it is a general connection issue or just web sites
[12:56] <waylandbill> anyone seen Jucato lately? I haven't seen him in a long time.
[12:56] <gan|y|med> ping works with ips and names
[12:57] <gan|y|med> icq works, irc does not
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: try ping -s 1472 [site name] 
[12:57] <gan|y|med> websites and irc time out in any browsers, i sometimes get the title though. and as i said, some still work (google.co.uk)
[12:58] <gan|y|med> well, irc in an irc client, obviously
[12:58] <stdin> CoCo_: there is a #kubuntu-es  Si busca ayuda en Espaol
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> gan|y|med: and also try ping -s 1472 -M do [site] 
[12:58] <dacorr> is it just UK based sites you can access?
[12:58] <kazuma_> how do i install mp3 codecs? xD
[12:59] <stdin> !mp3
[12:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:59] <waylandbill> !mp3
[12:59] <stdin> kazuma_: ^
[12:59] <gan|y|med> i am not sure, haven't tried, yet. but i will. why?
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> !mp3 | kazuma_
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> is ubotu dead?
[01:00] <ubotu> kazuma_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:00] <gan|y|med> it cannot be the hardware (on both ends), as it works in xp. i tried an older kernel, still no luck, so it shouldn't be an ipv4 issue in the kernel. i tried disabling ipv6
[01:01] <Urilock> i switched to ubuntu
[01:01] <gan|y|med> no, it is not only uk based sites, as i cannot open tv-links.co.uk, for example
[01:01] <Urilock> because my system severly messed up
[01:02] <gan|y|med> and for the same reason i am back on win, how ironic
[01:03] <dacorr> i had a similar problem but i recreated the connection and restarted the network services as well as the router
[01:03] <dacorr> i did find i had problems with static ip addresses too and connections
[01:04] <gan|y|med> i don't have access to the router
[01:04] <kazuma_> stdin you gave me a command to install it do you remember it? xD
[01:04] <dacorr> shared router?
[01:04] <gan|y|med> kind of
[01:04] <stdin> kazuma_: you mean "sudo apt-get install ..." ?
[01:05] <kazuma_> the mp3
[01:05] <gan|y|med> thing is, in works well in xp. so where should the prob lie?
[01:05] <kazuma_> something with mpg
[01:05] <kazuma_> xD
[01:05] <kazuma_> ffmpg? or something like that
[01:05] <stdin> kazuma_: for mp3?
[01:05] <kazuma_> yup
[01:05] <dacorr> i found it was linux talking to the router was the issue it was a strange one at that
[01:06] <kazuma_> it's difficult to me to understand the manuals xD
[01:06] <dacorr> netowrk wise i found othing wrong
[01:06] <stdin> kazuma_: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[01:06] <kazuma_> thanks
[01:06] <gan|y|med> what do u mean by the way linux talked to the router?
[01:07] <dacorr> not all packets were reaching the router they were dropped
[01:07] <gan|y|med> it seems to be a config prob then?
[01:07] <dacorr> i switched to dhcp on the router and it was fine
[01:07] <dacorr> i had dhcp switched off on the router
[01:07] <dacorr> and that seemed to be the problem
[01:07] <gan|y|med> darn, it's already doing this
[01:08] <gan|y|med> it gets all the ip stuff and so on, same as in xp.
[01:08] <dacorr> but browsing is limited
[01:09] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:09] <gan|y|med> sometimes i get the titles, somtimes it times out before this
[01:10] <killown> stdin, I am do ./configure + flags and debian/rules binary
[01:10] <killown> it work?
[01:10] <sanzanri1> how is your browsing limited?
[01:10] <sanzanri1> can you ping
[01:10] <gan|y|med> it seems so random and illogical
[01:10] <stdin> killown: run 'debian/rules' first, then ./configure
[01:11] <killown> ok
[01:11] <gan|y|med> yesm i can
[01:11] <gan|y|med> ips and names
[01:11] <krillin> anyone here have a dell inspiron 1420n with preloaded ubuntu? if so, i'd like to know how well the hardware is supported
[01:11] <killown> stdin debian/rules build ; ./configure ; debian/rules binary?
[01:12] <sanzanri1> hi, i have a preloaded 1420n with ubuntu
[01:12] <dacorr> thats what i found i could not find a faultwith the settings just it seemed odd,
[01:12] <gan|y|med> it's driving me crazy
[01:12] <stdin> killown: no, "debian/rules ; ./configure ; debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[01:12] <killown> ty
[01:13] <gan|y|med> it renders kubuntu practically worthless
[01:13] <aTrain> anyone have ubuntu running with an ATI x1270 video card?
[01:13] <krillin> sanzanri1: wonderful. how is the driver support? does everything work out of the box (especially the wireless and graphics)?
[01:13] <sanzanri1> to gan, that is really odd, yes ubuntu without internet is pretty boring
[01:14] <gan|y|med> and it worked three days ago! but this must be a general issue, i had similar problems with some other router
[01:15] <dacorr> it could be that if its a shared router there maybe too many people on it
[01:15] <dacorr> especially with the firmware provided on them
[01:16] <gan|y|med> but why would it work with xp then?
[01:16] <krillin> sanzanri1: i've read some reports online that the graphics card isn't so well supported and the wireless works with open, WPA, but not with WEP. i want to make sure all the hardware i buy is fully functional
[01:16] <gan|y|med> except it is some secret m$ contract thing
[01:17] <dacorr> first thing i did when i bought my router was but linux firmware on it no problems since
[01:17] <gan|y|med> darn, this pretty much smells like complete reinstall
[01:17] <sanzanri1> Krillin: Wifi is good, when i first got it sometimes the wifi would not work after hibernation/ suspend, i fixed that, but i don't remember were i read howto sorry, everthing else i really good
[01:17] <gan|y|med> for my notebook
[01:18] <sanzanri1> graphics, no
[01:18] <krillin> ouch
[01:18] <dacorr> restart the router
[01:18] <gan|y|med> just one hint: you wanna use linux, don't buy an ati card
[01:18] <gan|y|med> i would, but i can't
[01:18] <gan|y|med> and it is not a solution
[01:19] <sanzanri1> i upgraded to compiz fusion and i can run it in opengl emulation mode, but that can bring my cpu's to 100%
[01:19] <Biovore> !ati
[01:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <gan|y|med> it must depend on the router somehow, cause other networks still work in linux (well, at least i think so)
[01:19] <dacorr> hope its not a belkin
[01:19] <kazuma_> why amarok doesn't make my mp3 colection? =o
[01:19] <gan|y|med> i'd use envy
[01:19] <gan|y|med> seriously
[01:19] <sanzanri1> envy is nice
[01:20] <krillin> what does envy provide that downloading the .run files and running them doesn't?
[01:20] <meson10> i have a 6150 Nvidia..and i have two monitors
[01:20] <dacorr> and hope when the new drivers are installed you dont have a api kernal mismatch error
[01:20] <gan|y|med> i tried compiz, but simple stuff is quite slow, such as scrolling
[01:20] <krillin> (i haven't used envy yet, but i got my 8300 GS to work fine with the .run)
[01:20] <meson10> i wish to run two dsktops individually on them
[01:21] <sanzanri1> Krillin, x has to upgrade to the -intel drivers for full functionality
[01:21] <gan|y|med> you are blessed, man
[01:21] <dacorr> envy does not support the new nvidia graphics such as 8500gt as of yet although the drivers are availbal on the nvidia sit....sobs
[01:22] <aTrain> anyone know if there are ATI x1270 video drivers?
[01:22] <gan|y|med> so i got to get my nb out into the world and see if i can connect to any other networks
[01:22] <grul> what's the cd burner application called?
[01:22] <gan|y|med> have u had a look at ati's page?
[01:22] <sanzanri1> k3b?
[01:22] <grul> sanzanri1, thanks
[01:22] <aTrain> i did't think they had mobile drivers on their page
[01:22] <gan|y|med> gosh, windows at work, now at home... i wanna have kde back
[01:23] <gan|y|med> they do
[01:23] <sanzanri1> gan can you reset the router
[01:23] <gan|y|med> nope
[01:23] <sanzanri1> shoot
[01:24] <sanzanri1> is dhcp?
[01:24] <gan|y|med> i don't understand why the router would give me some setting which is different depending on the os (i don't exlcude the possibility, hthough)
[01:24] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:25] <gan|y|med> getting the same settings in both os'
[01:25] <sanzanri1> i think i might have the same problem as you.
[01:25] <gan|y|med> but only one works
[01:25] <aTrain> they have 1250 and 1300 but no 1270 drivers
[01:25] <gan|y|med> sounds... well... good for me
[01:25] <dacorr> you get the same ip settinges in both OS?
[01:25] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:25] <gan|y|med> ip, netmask, bcast, gateway, nameserver all the same
[01:25] <sanzanri1> are you using broadcom?
[01:26] <dacorr> wired connection?
[01:26] <gan|y|med> it is a belkin router
[01:26] <gan|y|med> wlan
[01:26] <gan|y|med> i tried to set it manually, same effect
[01:26] <dacorr> ahh
[01:26] <saki_knin> s
[01:26] <dacorr> its the router incorrectly assigning you
[01:26] <gan|y|med> i wanted to get a different ip, but to no avail
[01:27] <dacorr> had this before
[01:27] <gan|y|med> what do you mean?
[01:27] <dacorr> funny enough it was a belkin then as well
[01:27] <gan|y|med> pls tell me
[01:27] <dacorr> what is the subnet mask?
[01:27] <gan|y|med> 255.255.255.0
[01:27] <sanzanri1> its odd, i thought belkin were good with linux?
[01:27] <gan|y|med> so they say about netgear
[01:27] <dacorr> no belkin are over priced and flawed
[01:28] <sanzanri1> i have linksys, they are awful
[01:28] <dacorr> linksys are good hardware but bad firmware
[01:28] <gan|y|med> guys, could we just finish the previous topic quickly, you know when you wanted to tell me about what happened to you?
[01:28] <dacorr> and gan you need to reset the router and check the wlan settings
[01:29] <gan|y|med> i was afraid you might say this
[01:29] <sanzanri1> gan, your wireless card what chipset is it?
[01:29] <dacorr> log into the router it probably has the factory default password
[01:29] <gan|y|med> ipw2200
[01:29] <gan|y|med> intel
[01:29] <sanzanri1> modprobe ipw2200?
[01:30] <gan|y|med> yes?
[01:30] <sanzanri1> maybe that can reset your driver?
[01:30] <dacorr> you need to unload those intel drivers and reload them
[01:30] <gan|y|med> the driver gets resetted from time to time, wjy?
[01:30] <gan|y|med> ok
[01:31] <sanzanri1> i'm just throwing things out there, sorry
[01:31] <dacorr> id still reset the router too they all need it from time to time especially belkins
[01:31] <gan|y|med> you know, the worst is that winxp is working without probs
[01:32] <dacorr> despite xp being build on 2 third linux kernal and the freebsd protocol stack
[01:32] <sanzanri1> winxp is always having that prob
[01:32] <dacorr> and it took them 7 years to get it where it is today...aww bless
[01:32] <sanzanri1> :-)
[01:33] <gan|y|med> yes, i have been resorting to this as well, but time is running out...
[01:33] <gan|y|med> ok, gtg to bed. thx a lot for your help
[01:33] <sanzanri1> have you tried connecting with wireless assiant
[01:34] <gan|y|med> what do you mean?
[01:34] <gan|y|med> i am using knetworkmanager
[01:34] <sanzanri1> try down loading wicd
[01:35] <sanzanri1> wicd
[01:35] <gan|y|med> which is?
[01:35] <ueg> e
[01:35] <sanzanri1> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[01:35] <gan|y|med> i am on it
[01:35] <runlevelten> gan|y|med: do you have a recommended MTU size for your connection to your ISP?
[01:35] <sanzanri1> "Welcome to the home of wicd. wicd was started because of the lack of useful, functional wireless network connection managers in Linux. It is also capable of connecting to wired networks as an added bonus. For information on installing, please see below."
[01:35] <dacorr> from the ipw2200 directory i think the command was unload (as root)
[01:36] <runlevelten> You could consider ensuring that the connection between your machine and thr router is the same as it.
[01:36] <runlevelten> s/conn/mtu of the conn/
[01:37] <gan|y|med> runlevelten: what do u mean?
[01:37] <gan|y|med> darn, only deb repo
[01:38] <sanzanri1> your not using kubuntu?
[01:38] <gan|y|med> no, i am. but i need to find the deb
[01:38] <sanzanri1> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573
[01:38] <gan|y|med> cause apt doesn't work in kubuntu
[01:38] <gan|y|med> no inet access
[01:38] <gan|y|med> foundit
[01:39] <crossfire> can anyone help with this error , I am stumped and google has let me down   /opt/kompozer/kompozer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:39] <sanzanri1> i think i might have just given you the link?
[01:39] <sanzanri1> :-D
[01:40] <sanzanri1> you are going to have to remove knetworkmanger 1st
[01:40] <gan|y|med> i was too much engaged with all my excitement :)
[01:40] <sanzanri1> you also might some gtk libs
[01:40] <runlevelten> gan|y|med: 1. look in your router's web interface and find the MTU size of your connection to your ISP.
[01:40] <crossfire> dang guess that is a no
[01:40] <gan|y|med> ok, that will be my last option ( i ha the feeling i am going to get there pretty soon)
[01:41] <gan|y|med> ok
[01:41] <gan|y|med> runlevelten: and then?
[01:41] <sanzanri1> wow, look at my complete sentences
[01:41] <runlevelten> gan|y|med: when you find it, what is it?
[01:41] <bob_> i am install brother hl 2040 and downloaded the control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz but forgot how to install it
[01:41] <gan|y|med> i cannot see it right now, as i am in xp to talk to you guys
[01:42] <runlevelten> you can't see your router because you're in XP?
[01:42] <gan|y|med> bob_ unpack and read the readme/install files?
[01:42] <runlevelten> What?
[01:42] <bob_> not one
[01:42] <gan|y|med> ok, sorry, of course
[01:43] <gan|y|med> cannot find it
[01:43] <bob_> ran the ark and unpacked but
[01:43] <bob_> unsure what to do now
[01:43] <bob_> the brother web site not any help
[01:44] <gan|y|med> look for a file called INSTALL
[01:44] <gan|y|med> runlevelten: the status page does not reveal any mtu info
[01:44] <gan|y|med> and i don't have access to any other part
[01:44] <bob_> have three files control tar and data tar and debian binary
[01:44] <sanzanri1> sorry, this might be off topic, but gan, you could use your kubuntu installation whiles using windows with vmware server http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
[01:45] <gan|y|med> in the tar files
[01:45] <gan|y|med> that is an idea, thy
[01:45] <gan|y|med> thx
[01:46] <gan|y|med> only problems is probable, that i am running out of disk space (only 80 gb and 50 are for kubuntu)
[01:46] <sanzanri1> but you can use you kubuntu partition as the vm image
[01:46] <runlevelten> Oh well :(
[01:47] <purpleposeidon> does any body here have uber 1337 mirroring skills with wget? I'm having problems with mah cookies...
[01:48] <gan|y|med> ok, really gtg. thx a lot
[01:48] <gan|y|med> i am gonna give a shot tomorrow
[01:48] <gan|y|med> goodnight
[01:49] <stoned> RurouniJones: hi
[01:49] <stoned> wrong person
[01:49] <stoned> wow wrong channel doh
[01:50] <BluesKaj> have another toke , stoned :)
[01:50] <killown> stdin not works ./configure ; debian/rules
[01:50] <killown> .....
[01:51] <isthisnickvalid_> Hi. I've installed Compiz Fusion and everything seems to work OK excepting that the windows has no borders! Any clue about it?
[01:51] <Biovore> graphics depth at 24?  xwininfo and click on background..
[01:51] <stdin> killown: "debian/rules" then "./configure <options>"
[01:52] <stdin> isthisnickvalid_: have you looked at the guide on the wiki
[01:52] <killown> ok
[01:52] <isthisnickvalid_> I have installed it following a tutorial
[01:52] <isthisnickvalid_> I am going to search for the wiki
[01:53] <stdin> isthisnickvalid_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:53] <isthisnickvalid_> thanks
[01:53] <killown> stdin after .. debian/rules binary?
[01:54] <stdin> killown: "debian/rules build" then "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[01:54] <isthisnickvalid_> stdin: but I am trying to make it work  under kubuntu with KDE.
[01:54] <stdin> isthisnickvalid_: yes?
[01:55] <killown> stdin ? but if I do debian/rules build it goes to ./configure with rules options again and overwrite  the first ./configure
[01:55] <isthisnickvalid_> stdin: In that wiki they talk about GNOME.
[01:56] <stdin> killown:  "debian/rules" should do the configure
[01:56] <stdin> killown: post the debian/rules file to pastebin
[01:56] <stdin> isthisnickvalid_: have a look on it, there ARE kubuntu instructions
[01:57] <killown> stdin, http://rafb.net/p/hKbKd144.html
[01:58] <grul> hey, when i'm trying to install openssh-server on my new ubuntu server installation it says i should insert the cd. I'm connected to the internet so I figured I should be able to install it from some repository instead. what do I have to do to get it to understand that I want to download the file and not install it from the cd?
[01:58] <isthisnickvalid_> stdin: It's true! :P It was similar to the one I followed before so I didn't realised.
[01:59] <sanzanri1> are you using synaptic
[01:59] <sanzanri1> or adept
[01:59] <grul> oh nevermind, i just commented the cd-rom line out in sources.list
[02:00] <isthisnickvalid_> I have another question: lastly I've been having problems at starup. When KDM asks for the user I enter, and then the screen goes blank and go back to kdm. If I enter in the console mode and then run "startx" it works... Why?
[02:00] <isthisnickvalid_> I think I am going to reinsall kmd.
[02:00] <isthisnickvalid_> kdm.
[02:00] <sanzanri1> use gdm
[02:00] <stdin> killown: maybe you should ask in #kubuntu-devel < they know more about that package
[02:00] <dacorr> reconfigure x first
[02:00] <killown> ok
[02:02] <elite101> hey what is the program that makes ur windows wiggle and draw back?
[02:02] <elite101> beyrl/
[02:02] <elite101> ?*
[02:02] <sanzanri1> compiz fusion?
[02:02] <elite101> thats it?
[02:03] <elite101> mhmm
[02:03] <dacorr> i think plane desktop effects will do that
[02:03] <stdin> beryl or compiz or compiz-fusion
[02:03] <sanzanri1> compiz?
[02:03] <elite101> ic
[02:03] <stdin> !compiz
[02:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:03] <elite101> fusion? is that better
[02:03] <stdin> it's newer
[02:03] <elite101> k
[02:04] <dacorr> anyone know when the api kernal update is coming out for the new nvidia drivers so i dont keep getting the mismatch error?
[02:04] <sanzanri1> gl effects get boring after a time
[02:04] <elite101> does kubuntu have a Theme manager or do i have to download it?
[02:04] <sanzanri1> alt-f2 kcontol
[02:04] <isthisnickvalid_> Hi elite101.
[02:05] <elite101> hey*
[02:05] <elite101> k
[02:05] <elite101> thanks san,
[02:05] <isthisnickvalid_> elite101: in system settings there are some options related to the themes "look and feel",  or something similar.
[02:05] <elite101> ic
[02:05] <isthisnickvalid_> you can download themes from adept, such as "baghira"
[02:07] <elite101> mhm i would just go to www.kde-look.org i wanna get the vista theme (yes yes we all want that )
[02:07] <sanzanri1> i hate saying this since i'm in a kubuntu channel, but gnome's theming sys is a lot better than kde's
[02:07] <elite101> noooo!!!!!xD
[02:08] <sanzanri1> :^)
[02:08] <elite101> lol anyone have a vista theme installed? ifso is there one u tried and was good?
[02:09] <stdin> elite101: ask in #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:09] <elite101> k
[02:09] <sanzanri1> i think the "vista" theme is already preinstalled?
[02:10] <elite101> why does "kate" apear when i download something piss's me off
[02:10] <elite101> no its not?
[02:10] <sanzanri1> that's actually why i started using gnome in the 1st place
[02:11] <stdin> elite101: the answer is because the server sends the content as text/plain not application/*
[02:11] <Biovore> elite101: yeah.. I hate that too..
[02:11] <Biovore> elite101: you change probably change konquores default behavor to download..
[02:11] <sanzanri1> i would download an iso to my ram and then open up 600mb of text in kate
[02:11] <raquel_> sanzanrit- you can have both - basically install Kubuntu - then install the Gnome desktop and all of it's libs, and add-ons (as some Gnome games are fun)
[02:12] <Biovore> Dosn't matter what the file is.  The web server is telling konqueror that its getting a text file..  so it opens it in kate..
[02:12] <elite101> lol
[02:12] <sanzanri1> thanks raquel, i have ubuntu setup like that already, but thanks
[02:12] <elite101> its very very annyoing so its the mistake on there part?
[02:13] <elite101> and not mine?
[02:13] <stdin> elite101: yes
[02:13] <elite101> okay
[02:13] <Biovore> Its silly..  Just wish people would follow these things call standards..
[02:13] <Biovore> Then again.. everyone has a standard.. a non of them are compatible..
[02:13] <noobuser> is it possible to create a software raid 1 when in the live cd and have ubuntu 7 install into that? if so, is there any documentation on how to do that?
[02:13] <Biovore> yes..
[02:14] <Biovore> but it would have to be a mirrored raid..
[02:14] <stdin> noobuser: I could !raid
[02:14] <stdin> in fact I will
[02:14] <stdin> !raid
[02:14] <Biovore> hehe
[02:14] <sanzanri1> it also called reading the file extension? hem
[02:14] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[02:14] <Biovore> sanzanri1: file extentions mean nothing..  only on windows..  everyone else uses mime types..
[02:15] <sanzanri1> yes, but we do live in a windows centric world, do we not?
[02:15] <Biovore> sanzanri1: not me..
[02:15] <Biovore> extentions are for chumps..
[02:15] <taylor_> haha
[02:15] <sanzanri1> i wish i didn't have to ether
[02:15] <purpleposeidon> GNU: loling out loud!
[02:16] <taylor_> i've been a full time Ubuntu user for about 2 months now
[02:16] <taylor_> i don't think i'm ever going back
[02:16] <Biovore> take a .mp3 file and remove the extention.. then do  "file <musicfile>"
[02:16] <Biovore> it will tell you its an mp3 with out seeing the externtion..
[02:16] <sanzanri1> on the command line?
[02:16] <Biovore> yup
[02:17] <sanzanri1> but that dosen't help kde/gnome?
[02:17] <Biovore> Its this thing call magic numbers..  windows uses them as well..
[02:17] <taylor_> yeah you do that in windows, it won't have any idea what to do
[02:17] <stdin> amarok (and any other player) will also know it's an mp3
[02:17] <Biovore> taylor_: some programs will figure it out..
[02:17] <Biovore> windows media player for instance..
[02:17] <taylor_> true
[02:17] <taylor_> yeah
[02:17] <stdin> s/some/most, if not all/
[02:17] <taylor_> but if you just double click, it doesn't understand, if you actually open it in a program, no problem
[02:18] <stdin> taylor_: no, take the .jpg off a jpeg file, konqueror still knows it's a jpeg
[02:18] <taylor_> sweet
[02:18] <taylor_> whtas this "magic number" you were talking about?
[02:19] <stdin> that's how the program can tell what filetype it is
[02:19] <Biovore> the first few bytes of a file contain a number the defines what the file type is..  Standard file types have this..
[02:19] <sanzanri1> just tried with nautilus, it worked:-)
[02:19] <stdin> it's the 1st few bits of a file
[02:19] <taylor_> i see
[02:19] <sanzanri1> yes, i've read the wikipedia art on it
[02:19] <robotgeek> try also: 'file' command
[02:21] <sanzanri1> but when kde 4 goes cross platform do you still think that this will work?
[02:22] <Biovore> probably.. mac does it this way as well
[02:24] <sanzanri1> cnr.com just went offline
[02:25] <kazuma_> stdin
[02:25] <kazuma_> can you help me?
[02:26] <elite101> who do i install domino?
[02:26] <elite101> !domino
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about domino - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <elite101> xD
[02:26] <flaccid> kazuma_: stdin can help everyone! :)
[02:26] <kazuma_> do you know something about screensaver-plug in?
[02:26] <kazuma_> yeah he's great
[02:26] <elite101> me?
[02:26] <elite101> no
[02:26] <flaccid> kazuma_: can you be more specific
[02:26] <kazuma_> well
[02:26] <elite101> lol i need too
[02:26] <kazuma_> there's a plugin
[02:26] <kazuma_> with beryl
[02:26] <elite101> ahh
[02:27] <elite101> man
[02:27] <elite101> i have like 292mb ram
[02:27] <kazuma_> that makes your desk look like an screensaver
[02:27] <flaccid> try the ubuntu effects chan kazuma_
[02:27] <flaccid> or #beryl
[02:27] <elite101> yeah but it says domino not "beyrl"
[02:27] <kazuma_> thanks
[02:28] <flaccid> elite101: sorry was talking to kazuma_. whats ya prob
[02:28] <elite101> lol
[02:28] <elite101> ah
[02:28] <elite101> i need to install domino
[02:28] <flaccid> domino what?
[02:28] <elite101> for this theme i have?
[02:28] <elite101> it says i need it
[02:28] <flaccid> !find domino
[02:28] <flaccid> ok
[02:28] <ubotu> File domino found in fetchmail
[02:28] <elite101> Dark plastic reloaded
[02:28] <flaccid> what says you need it?
[02:28] <sanzanri1> oh the kde theme
[02:28] <yotux> how can I change the default broser in kde
[02:29] <sanzanri1> sensible browser
[02:29] <elite101> yeah i have theme but inorder for me to install it i need domino
[02:29] <stdin> yotux: system settings > default applications
[02:29] <kazuma_> no one can't help me in beryl :(
[02:29] <kazuma_> can you stdin
[02:29] <kazuma_> ?
[02:29] <stdin> I don't use beryl
[02:29] <kazuma_> =O
[02:29] <kazuma_> thanks
[02:29] <yotux> is there a howto on setting up a widescreen in Xorg
[02:29] <taylor_> i have the emerald theme loader, and i cna never get the theme to work...if i use the terminal, not sure of the command, i cna get it changed, but only if i never close the terminal, anyone know how to fix that?
[02:30] <elite101> where is domino?
[02:30] <flaccid> elite101: domino is here http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42804
[02:30] <elite101> thanks
[02:30] <flaccid> also see http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark+Plastic+2+Suite?content=51302
[02:30] <sanzanri1> oh, change x-www
[02:31] <stdin> yotux: you just set a widescreen resolution
[02:31] <sanzanri1> x-www-browser
[02:32] <stdin> for system wide, yep
[02:32] <stdin> tho I think kde apps will abide by the user settings
[02:32] <stdin> so you'd have to do both
[02:33] <elite101> well i have domino but it doesnt let me install it? there is no "readme" there is one present but its only @ 0kb and needs a program to open it up?
[02:33] <stdin> 0KB = empty
[02:33] <sanzanri1> to change x-www-browser make a syslink to the actually browser you want
[02:34] <elite101> i have to compile the package
[02:34] <elite101> but im not sure how im a noob to this stuff wich sucks but its better to learn now*
[02:34] <sanzanri1> it should be in the repos
[02:34] <stdin> "domino" is not
[02:34] <sanzanri1> first install checkinstall
[02:35] <flaccid> elite101: probably need to compile domino.
[02:35] <elite101> yeah
[02:35] <flaccid> !compile
[02:35] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:36] <elite101> but im going to restart for a second i wanna see the "finger-print" splash theme and stuff i did so far...(just downloaded Xubuntu 7.10/gutsy/tribe4)
[02:37] <sanzanri1> why did he just restart?
[02:37] <kazuma_> why i can't see my skydome?
[02:37] <stdin> asked in ubuntu-effects
[02:38] <Firefishe> hello
[02:39] <Firefishe> heya stdin
[02:39] <stdin> hey
[02:39] <Firefishe> stdin: do you use xchat?
[02:39] <stdin> I am right now, tho I'd rather not
[02:40] <Firefishe> stdin: do you know, offhand, how to keep any ctcp requests from other people in a channel from being automatically ignored>
[02:40] <Firefishe> ?
[02:41] <stdin> hmm
[02:42] <Firefishe> ya, it's a mystery.  I've checked every menu and settings area I can think of.
[02:42] <redshadowhero> Hey, what command would I use to compile c++ programs? I need it for my upcoming class.
[02:42] <Firefishe> redshadowhero: gads, that could fill a book...and a few thousand lines of code ;)
[02:42] <redshadowhero> ...
[02:43] <raquel_> I am so HAPPY - Adept is working, getting my games, and Firefox, and Blender, and the Gimp :D
[02:43] <stdin> redshadowhero: install "build-essential" and something like "c++ -o program source.cpp"
[02:43] <Biovore> redshadowhero: g++ file.cpp -o file
[02:43] <redshadowhero> really? I've always used "cc program.cpp -o program"
[02:43] <redshadowhero> so, its g++?
[02:43] <stdin> cc c++ g++ all the same app
[02:43] <redshadowhero> Alright, then.
[02:44] <redshadowhero> I'll give it a test.
[02:44] <stdin> Firefishe: ctcp isn't ignored by your client
[02:44] <Firefishe> stdin: hmm..wonder if it's chanserv on that particular network
[02:45] <redshadowhero> g++ isn't found. I'm going to apt-get it now.
[02:45] <stdin> Firefishe: there's a user mode that can set it to ignore, depends on the network tho
[02:45] <raquel_> has anyone used any of the video editors available on Kubuntu - and if so how difficult/easy are they?
[02:45] <stdin> redshadowhero: install "build-essential"
[02:45] <stdin> you need more than g++
[02:45] <redshadowhero> stdin: what does that do?
[02:45] <Biovore> apt-get install build-essentials for g++
[02:46] <stdin> redshadowhero: it installs all the essential packages for building :)
[02:46] <redshadowhero> funny... "sudo apt-get install g++" worked...
[02:46] <redshadowhero> well, the helloworld, anyway.
[02:46] <Biovore> yeah for simple stuff that works..
[02:47] <redshadowhero> Well, it will be mostly terminal output for my class, at the very best.
[02:47] <stdin> build-essential installs the standard C and C++ headers too
[02:47] <raquel_> I installed a 'bunch of stuff' for editing and learning C++ (I will have to get a book or something to learn from :D )
[02:47] <Biovore> g++ file.c -o file.o -c  will just output object and not link to an exe
[02:47] <redshadowhero> Its intro to software engineering, so I don't think I'll need *too* much
[02:48] <stdin> redshadowhero: you *soon* will
[02:48] <Biovore> yeah those to should cover you
[02:48] <raquel_> redshadowhero - your in college for this?
[02:48] <redshadowhero> CPE major, yes.
[02:48] <Firefishe> stdin: it appears to be a flood protector
[02:49] <redshadowhero> install "build-essential" doesn't work.
[02:49] <redshadowhero> oh..
[02:49] <Biovore> build-essentials maybe?
[02:50] <redshadowhero> biovore: still nothing.
[02:50] <stdin> !info build-essential
[02:50] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[02:50] <stdin> it's definitely "build-essential"
[02:50] <redshadowhero> stdin: after that, I get: install: missing destination file operand after `build-essentials'
[02:51] <stdin> redshadowhero: heh, not "install build-essential", use adept to install it or "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:51] <ddjikic> hi
[02:51] <Kein> hmm...
[02:52] <ddjikic> how to run photoshop cd3 ?
[02:52] <redshadowhero> stdin: yeah, I just got it... I forgot the "sudo apt-get" part...
[02:52] <redshadowhero> stdin: I feel p-r-e-t-t-y stupid right now.
[02:52] <Kein> Okay, I'm needing to compile a bunch of stuff from source, but I haven't found out how to configure it to do such.
[02:52] <stdin> redshadowhero: we all have those days
[02:53] <stdin> !compile
[02:53] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:53] <BluesKaj> ddjikic, photoshop might run on wine in linux , not sure
[02:53] <redshadowhero> stdin: yeah... I just made one of the not so nice doctors angry at me for trying to tell him that he shouldn't set his email client to check for email every minute...
[02:53] <redshadowhero> stdin: so, he has made my day... rather hard...
[02:54] <stdin> surely a doctor has better things to do than check email every 60 seconds
[02:54] <redshadowhero> you would be surprised
[02:54] <redshadowhero> that, and he left his emails on the server as a backup
[02:54] <BluesKaj> you had to be a hero eh ? :)
[02:54] <redshadowhero> all 3GB of them.
[02:55] <ubuntu> hi people
[02:55] <ubuntu> ive got a question
[02:55] <ubuntu> how can i install ubuntu and don't lose my windows
[02:55] <ubuntu> i mean the partition that i must choose while installing
[02:55] <redshadowhero> Use the live cd, and set it up for dual booting?
[02:55] <flaccid> don't install over the windows part..
[02:56] <stdin> the installer lets you shrink your windows partition and install on the rest
[02:56] <ubuntu> wait
[02:56] <ubuntu> do i have to choose it manually
[02:56] <stdin> nope :)
[02:56] <ubuntu> just click ok ?
[02:57] <stdin> you see the option to shrink?
[02:57] <stdin> before then "manual" part
[02:57] <ubuntu> wait
[02:57] <Kein> Never let me do that, for some reason. =(
[02:57] <ubuntu> i just restarted the installation
[02:57] <Kein> I had to format my HD.
[02:57] <ddjikic> Blueskaj : i tryed , photoshop crash , but dreamweaver work , i used the sam way for both of them
[02:57] <stdin> I formatted it, but that's because it came with windows...
[02:58] <ubuntu> so i need to shrink ?
[02:58] <stdin> ddjikic: search on http://appdb.winehq.org/ to see if it works
[02:58] <stdin> ubuntu: yes
[02:58] <ubuntu> wait
[02:59] <ubuntu> there are three possibilieties
[02:59] <ubuntu> 1 guided resize IDE 1
[02:59] <ubuntu> 2 guided use entire disk
[02:59] <ubuntu> 3 manual
[02:59] <Firefishe> brb
[02:59] <ddjikic> stdin : no , some error , i think that there are some file or something missing
[02:59] <stdin> ubuntu: you want the 1st one
[02:59] <ubuntu> ok thx
[03:00] <stdin> ubuntu: also, there is a #ubuntu-pl
[03:00] <ubuntu> when i choose 1 i will be able to use windows as well as kubuntu ?
[03:00] <stdin> yes, you'll have the option at boot
[03:02] <ubuntu> thx
[03:02] <zait> moep
[03:02] <Kein> Anyways, I was actually wondering how I'd manage to set up a dual-boot machine while this machine only has kubuntu on it.
[03:03] <stdin> with windows?
[03:03] <Kein> Would I set the active partition to the NTFS partition then stick in the XP CD?
[03:03] <flaccid> install another OS and use grub to select on boot
[03:03] <Kein> Yeah, I need it for a couple of programs; I'm a DM.
[03:03] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:03] <robotgeek> hmm, always install the evil OS first
[03:03] <Dark_Shado1> hi people
[03:03] <Kein> Well, I thought that much. =(
[03:04] <Kein> Unfortunately, I'm Linux-retarded; just picked it up a couple of days ago after a partitioning program wrecked my HD.
[03:04] <robotgeek> Kein: you should create a partition, and let windows kill your bootloader. then, use the live cd to run grub again
[03:04] <Kein> Thank you.
[03:04] <robotgeek> Kein: do you have another machine?
[03:04] <Kein> Yes.
[03:04] <Kein> I do.
[03:04] <Kein> Unfortunately, I have to wait until I get an XP disc. =(
[03:04] <Dark_Shado1> can i install xubuntu for my old p3 800mhz with 256mb ram ?
[03:04] <robotgeek> Kein: good, that way your can read the instructions on the wiki
[03:05] <Kein> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[03:05] <Kein> Unfortunately, I'm not sure how I'd install GRUB
[03:05] <Dark_Shado1> and is it better than ubuntu
[03:05] <Dark_Shado1> for my system
[03:06] <flaccid> grub is installed by default with ubuntu unless you say no to it in the installer iirc
[03:06] <Kein> Oh.
[03:07] <Kein> Hmm...
[03:07] <Kein> I'm thinking of possible conflicts.
[03:07] <Dark_Shado1> ?
[03:07] <Kein> Can't think of any.  But would the GRUB coming with ubuntu allow me to chainload XP?
[03:08] <robotgeek> chainload?
[03:08] <stdin> yes it will
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> Kein: yes
[03:08] <Kein> Thanks.
[03:08] <Kein> Now the trouble comes with installing gcc and learning how ./configure works.
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Dark_Shado1, the Ram is passable , your cpu speed is ok , but you might encounter some slow apps with such low memory capability
[03:09] <Dark_Shado1> ok
[03:09] <stdin> Kein: gcc is installed with build-essential, and you can do "./configure --help" to get some info
[03:10] <Kein> Weird.
[03:10] <Kein> Oh.
[03:10] <Kein> Thanks!  I forgot the build-essential part.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> gcc is installed already....
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> it doesn't come with build-essential
[03:11] <Kein> ...then why is it asking me for a C compiler upon ./configure?
[03:11] <stdin> yes, it does
[03:11] <BluesKaj> Dark_Shado1, you could look at smaller footprint Desktops , like XFCe and fluxbox
[03:11] <stdin> gcc isn't installed bt default
[03:11] <Dark_Shado1> yep
[03:12] <Kein> Alright, this seems simple enough...
[03:12] <Kein> But the only thing that would bug me is that I haven't had a GRUB prompt yet. =(
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> stdin: hmmm....
[03:12] <Kein> So far, all I've seen is the immediate bootup of kubuntu.
[03:13] <stdin> Kein: the menu is disabled by default, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment-out "hiddenmenu"
[03:13] <Kein> Thanks.
[03:13] <Kein> You guys are helpful, unlike the other guy I know who's experienced with this. =(
[03:13] <bkudria> can someone help me get my swap working?  when i try to enable it, i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/660490 .  what's going on?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I don't have build-essential installed, but gcc is installed ...
[03:14] <stdin> nosrednaekim: maybe you installed it?
[03:14] <stdin> bkudria: what does "cat /proc/swaps" show?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I've been running this(gutsy which may or may not make a difference) for about  one week and haven't had to compile anything... so I don't think I installed it.
[03:15] <bkudria> stdin:
[03:15] <bkudria> /dev/sda2                               partition       1574360 34632   -1
[03:15] <bkudria> /dev/mapper/sda2                        partition       1574360 0       -2
[03:15] <stdin> bkudria: then you have swap on already
[03:15] <bkudria> stdin: really?  mount doesn't show it...shouldn't it?
[03:15] <Cannoli> hey guys
[03:16] <stdin> mount doesn't show swaps
[03:16] <genii> underdog5004: You alive?
[03:16] <underdog5004> oh yeah
[03:16] <Cannoli> ok so i made 3 partitions
[03:16] <underdog5004> I'm a little tipsy, but I'm good
[03:16] <underdog5004> private chat?
[03:16] <genii> sure
[03:16] <stdin> nosrednaekim: don't know, I upgraded from feisty and already had b-e installed
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: hey
[03:17] <bkudria> stdin: aah, ok, thanks
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: if you want ot see swaps, run "free -m"
[03:17] <Kein> Oh yeah!  Is there anything that would cause native Firefox to not boot up/cause Konqueror to randomly return "unable to connect to host" messages despite a fully functional internet connection?
[03:17] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: yep, that shows it.  thanks!
[03:19] <stdin> Kein: firefox and konqueror shouldn't interact
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: and....
[03:23] <Cannoli> lmao
[03:23] <Cannoli> i just broke my parents bed
[03:23] <Cannoli> XDXDXD
[03:23] <Cannoli> anbywayz
[03:24] <Cannoli> so i have 2gb swap, 20gb for root and abt 60gb for i think its home
[03:24] <Cannoli> is the third one suppose to be for /home?
[03:24] <stdin> depends what you assign it to be
[03:24] <Cannoli> wht should it be
[03:25] <Cannoli> i was told there should be 3
[03:25] <Cannoli> i remember root and swap
[03:25] <stdin> you can have it has home, but it doesn't *have* to be
[03:25] <Cannoli> right right
[03:25] <Cannoli> so i can set it as home
[03:25] <stdin> yep
[03:25] <Cannoli> ok
[03:26] <Cannoli> and wht abt the ntfs partition
[03:26] <Cannoli> i dont want it to have anything to do wtih linux
[03:26] <Cannoli> but the installer is using it as a mount point for
[03:26] <Kein> Dual-boot. ;/
[03:26] <Cannoli> /media/sdb1
[03:26] <Kein> man
[03:26] <stdin> then don't assign it to mount it anywhere
[03:26] <Cannoli> so make it blakc/
[03:26] <Cannoli> blank*
[03:26] <Cannoli> ?
[03:26] <stdin> yep
[03:27] <Cannoli> :S
[03:27] <Cannoli> cant make it blank
[03:27] <Cannoli> its either windows or dos or /media
[03:27] <Cannoli> i amde it windows
[03:27] <Cannoli> is that ok?
[03:27] <stdin> sure
[03:28] <Cannoli> kk
[03:28] <Cannoli> now to install linux for the first time
[03:28] <Cannoli> :)
[03:29] <Cannoli> damn
[03:29] <Cannoli> error
[03:29] <Cannoli> -_-
[03:30] <Cannoli> The file system on /dev/sdb3 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting. File systems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformatted for use by this installer. Other file systems (/home, /media/*, /usr/local, etc.) may be used without reformatting.
[03:30] <Cannoli> -_- most unkool
[03:30] <flaccid> bbl
[03:30] <stdin> mark them for be formatted as ext3
[03:30] <stdin> both / and /home
[03:31] <Cannoli> they're already ext3
[03:31] <Cannoli> :S
[03:31] <sanzanri1> dosen't seem to quit?
[03:31] <stdin> Cannoli: still need to set them to be formatted
[03:31] <sanzanri1> oh, sorry wrong channel
[03:31] <Cannoli> how would i do that?
[03:32] <stdin> is there some "format as" thing?
[03:32] <Cannoli> it says use as
[03:32] <Cannoli> and i already chose ext3
[03:32] <Cannoli> for both
[03:33] <Cannoli> stil nothing :(
[03:33] <Cannoli> oh
[03:33] <Cannoli> wait
[03:33] <Cannoli> i think i got it
[03:35] <Kein> Alright.  What do I do with rpm files?
[03:35] <Kein> the rpm command doesn't work. =(
[03:37] <stdin> !rpm
[03:37] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:37] <Kein> Thanks again.  Sorry if I'm noobing it up in here. =(
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> thats what this channel is for :)
[03:38] <Kein> Well, let's see... how would I go about putting SDL in?
[03:38] <mneptok> Kein: why an .rpm?
[03:38] <Kein> Didn't know it didn't work and went for the .rpm file for the SDL library.
[03:39] <mneptok> you want SHL libs for games?
[03:39] <mneptok> *SDL
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> Kein: open a package manager and search for SDL.
[03:39] <stdin> Kein: it'd be in the repositories
[03:39] <Kein> Got you...
[03:40] <mneptok> sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
[03:42] <Cannoli> im still getting this error
[03:42] <Cannoli> The file system on /dev/sdb3 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting. File systems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformatted for use by this installer. Other file systems (/home, /media/*, /usr/local, etc.) may be used without reformatting.
[03:43] <Cannoli> its type is already ext3
[03:44] <cryptic> How come when I type a command and tell it run it just sits there?
[03:44] <Cannoli> and its mount point is /
[03:44] <Pb2007> hey !
[03:44] <Cannoli> hiya Pb2007
[03:44] <Pb2007> i seem to have an issue with getting kde to start )=
[03:44] <cryptic> Is there something I new to configure first before running commands???
[03:44] <genii> Pb2007: Please say more exactly what symptoms you have
[03:45] <Biovore> cryptic: depends on what you did
[03:45] <Pb2007> all i did was to follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2113867 to get rid of the enpty space on the sides, but now kde wont start its only a blinking dot
[03:45] <Pb2007> smpty*
[03:45] <Pb2007> empty *
[03:46] <genii> Pb2007: I'll look there, AFK
[03:46] <cryptic> hey biovore can i pm you?
[03:47] <Pb2007> genii: thanks
[03:47] <[saylar] > hey, anyone familiar with gpg?
[03:48] <[saylar] > im trying to figure out a way to automatically encrypt backup files with gpg
[03:48] <[saylar] > it should run via cron
[03:49] <Biovore> ^ In theory what your asking can be done.. probably would be gpg encrypted with one of root's keys..
[03:49] <speaker219> windows
[03:49] <genii> Pb2007: I believe the issue is that you have selected a resolution/mode which does not work either due to hardware limits or that it was not in line with what appears in xorg.conf file so that kdm is not starting
[03:50] <[saylar] > oh, i think i just found something. one sec
[03:50] <cryptic> How come when you follow the manual and run kde-config as a command it does nothing or is there something i need to configure first?
[03:51] <Pb2007> genii:so i shoud edit xorg.conf or ?  (first day user of linux)
[03:51] <stdin> cryptic: what manual?
[03:51] <cryptic> kde-config --prefix
[03:51] <Biovore> why you running kde-config..
[03:51] <genii> Pb2007: Are you able to access a console by pressing ctrl-alt-f1   or so?
[03:51] <cryptic> the kde user's manual
[03:51] <Biovore> I don't think it does anything on kubunut
[03:51] <Biovore> they took it out..
[03:51] <Pb2007> genii:Yes i am in the console now
[03:51] <fitoria> hi!
[03:51] <stdin> cryptic: what kde users manual?
[03:52] <fitoria> i have a problem with the grub config to start the mf vista
[03:52] <cryptic> the kunbuntu
[03:52] <Biovore> cryptic: you making the assumtion that kubuntu's kde interface is the same stuff from kde.org..
[03:52] <fitoria> anybody knows something
[03:52] <Biovore> cryptic: It has been modified and tweeked..
[03:52] <stdin> Biovore: no, it does something, it just needs to be told what print ...
[03:52] <fitoria> kubuntu starts great! but vista ..........
[03:52] <genii> Pb2007: OK, I would suggest to re-run that 915resolution thingy again but this time select some sane generic mode like 11024x768 at 60hz   or similar
[03:52] <genii> 1024 rather
[03:52] <Biovore> fitoria: I have grub booting vista here, no problems..
[03:53] <stdin> cryptic: "kde-config" is not the correct usage, what guide told you to do that?
[03:53] <cryptic> the kunbuntu user's manual
[03:53] <Pb2007> genii:in the file it does not have a field for the "Hz"
[03:53] <Biovore> cryptic: kde-config --help-all
[03:53] <fitoria> bivore: can you send me the grub conf?
[03:53] <stdin> cryptic: where ??
[03:53] <genii> Pb2007: OK 1 minute
[03:53] <fitoria> biovore ?
[03:54] <cryptic> the kde help center
[03:54] <fitoria> biovore: can you send me the grub conf?(paste bin)
[03:54] <stdin> cryptic: what part
[03:54] <Biovore> fitoria: ah.. maybe..  I'll have to get that all going..
[03:54] <fitoria> ok
[03:54] <Biovore> My config may not work for you though..
[03:54] <fitoria> i can wait
[03:54] <fitoria> well i will see
[03:55] <fitoria> what i can get
[03:55] <genii> Pb2007: when youdo: sudo 915resolution -l    does it show 1024x768 at 24 bits?
[03:55] <Biovore> I have some wacky bios drive setups and grub got confused after install..
[03:55] <cryptic> system locations, kde prefix
[03:55] <genii> Pb2007: If so choose that
[03:55] <fitoria> send it anyway
[03:55] <genii> Pb2007: xorg.conf by default highest is 24 and not 32 for instance
[03:55] <cryptic> I was just looking for a starter guide thing to run me through the how to's of the os and I thought the user manual would do that.
[03:56] <Pb2007> genii: hold on and ill try, maybe bacause i chose 32 its going crazy ?
[03:56] <Pb2007> because *
[03:56] <genii> Pb2007: exactly
[03:56] <Biovore> fitoria: http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/menu.lst
[03:56] <stdin> cryptic: ok, in there it tells you the correct command
[03:56] <fitoria> thanks
[03:56] <fitoria> i will check it out
[03:57] <Pb2007> genii:ill try then and see :) hold on
[03:57] <stdin> cryptic: the command is "kde-config --prefix" , not just "kde-config", you see that in blue?
[03:57] <Biovore> fitoria: the map lines my not be nessecessary for your configuration..
[03:57] <genii> Pb2007: Ok. After you change it, restart kdm by: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:57] <fitoria> ok
[03:57] <Biovore> fitoria: you root will probably be (hd0,x) or something like that
[03:57] <fitoria> yep i know
[03:58] <Pb2007> genii: its either 8 16 or 32 ..
[03:58] <Biovore> gl hf
[03:58] <genii> Pb2007: 16 then
[03:58] <genii> Pb2007: Anything lower than 32
[03:59] <cryptic> yeah is that suppose to actually do something
[03:59] <cryptic> bceuase when i run that nothing happens
[03:59] <Pb2007> genii:rebooting kde now
[03:59] <genii> Pb2007: no need reboot
[04:00] <genii> Pb2007: just: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:00] <stdin> cryptic: you're telling me that the command "kde-config --prefix" does nothing?
[04:00] <genii> Pb2007: Then if you are in console1 still do alt-f7
[04:01] <cryptic> yes when i go into the run commands thing in the menu and type that command and hit run nothing happens
[04:01] <Pb2007> genii: trying the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:01] <genii> Pb2007: Good, glad I got you before a reboot :)
[04:01] <Cannoli> awww yea
[04:01] <stdin> cryptic: it's not a GUI application, open konsole (kmenu > system > konsole) and run it
[04:01] <Pb2007> genii: hehe, still the same status thoug )=
[04:01] <Cannoli> installation has officilaly started
[04:01] <Cannoli> :D:D:D
[04:02] <Cannoli> after i have linux installed can i still run a live version
[04:02] <Cannoli> ?
[04:02] <Pb2007> genii: maybe i need to edit the /etc/default/915resolution ?
[04:02] <genii> Pb2007:you set to 1024x768 and 16 bit colour?
[04:02] <Kein> Yeah.
[04:02] <stdin> Cannoli: yeah
[04:02] <Cannoli> sweet
[04:02] <Pb2007> genii: yes
[04:03] <Kein> If you leave it in the drive, unless you have a weird BIOS it'll boot the CD every time.
[04:03] <genii> Pb2007:Ok. Do not edit that file yet
[04:03] <Kein> And if it's a weird one you can usually choose to boot from CD or HDD.
[04:03] <Kein> ;/
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Kein: you can ussually get that option by hitting f12
[04:04] <Cannoli> oh i had another question
[04:04] <Pb2007> genii:ok
[04:04] <genii> Pb2007: Instead open with sudo privelege /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tell me what the highest resolution for bpp 16 is set to in there
[04:04] <Cannoli> actually nvm
[04:04] <Cannoli> :)
[04:05] <Pb2007> is privelege same as nano ?
[04:05] <genii> Pb2007:sudo nano
[04:05] <Cannoli> so wht i dont understand is, like mac is good for video and music and stuff, windows is good for office like things, whts linux's specialty?
[04:05] <stdin> Cannoli: everything! :)
[04:06] <genii> Pb2007:sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf           <--uppercase X
[04:06] <Cannoli> lmao
[04:06] <Cannoli> i wont argue with that
[04:06] <stdin> good, I wouldn't
[04:06] <Cannoli> XD
[04:06] <Cannoli> ive only used it for abt a week and i think it has tht potentil
[04:06] <Cannoli> potential*
[04:06] <Cannoli> so how did linux start :S
[04:07] <stdin> it has office tools, like OpenOffice, and graphics tools, like GIMP
[04:07] <genii> Pb2007: The ^ character in the help window at bottom of nano means ctrl key
[04:07] <Cannoli> is gimp as good as photoshop :S
[04:07] <stdin> some say yes
[04:07] <Cannoli> sweet
[04:07] <stdin> Cannoli: history of linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[04:07] <Pb2007> genii:schoud it say "bbp" or depth ?
 Kein: you can ussually get that option by hitting f1
[04:07] <Kein> yeah, heh
[04:08] <genii> Pb2007:Look for a line in there like "1024x768"  underneath a line saying only 16
[04:08] <Kein> that's how I got kubuntu on this ;/
[04:08] <Kein> was like "...WTF?" when it booted XP with the kubuntu livecd in
[04:08] <Kein> "oh yeah, multiboot!"
[04:08] <genii> Pb2007: There may be other resolution combinations in there, do not worry about them
[04:08] <genii> Pb2007: depth :)
[04:09] <Pb2007> genii: ok 24 then
[04:09] <Crell> Hi all.  Are there instructions anywhere for installing a gutsy kernel package on feisty?  I know it's "not recommended and not supported" and such, but I'm having trouble compiling my own kernel and want to see if there's an easier way. :-/
[04:09] <Pb2007> genii: default detpth 24 .
[04:09] <genii> Pb2007: Since now is set to 16 by 915 prog, put 16 as default
[04:10] <Pb2007> genii: in all pleaces it says "depth" ?
[04:10] <genii> Pb2007: No, only where it has default depth put there 16
[04:11] <genii> Pb2007: replace 24 with 16
[04:12] <genii> Pb2007: done that?
[04:12] <Pb2007> genii:yes
[04:12] <Pb2007> genii:but i still have the crappy black space on the sides
[04:13] <genii> Pb2007: Ok. So now go further down slowly to just below where it has depth 24 settings which below that has like "1024x768" etc
[04:13] <genii> Pb2007: Please follow instructions exactly
[04:13] <Pb2007> genii: ill do my best
[04:13] <genii> Pb2007: We are not done yet, so does not matter screen appearance yet
[04:14] <Pb2007> genii: ahh ok
[04:14] <genii> Pb2007: Did you put cursor yet below the line like "1024x768" and others like this just below the depth 24 lines?
[04:15] <Pb2007> genii: yes i am now under "screen" at it says 640X480@60
[04:15] <Pb2007> RIGHT UNDER "24"
[04:15] <Pb2007> sorry for caps
[04:15] <genii> Pb2007: np :)
[04:16] <genii> Pb2007: put cursor at far left, go down 1` line then hit enter and put a new entry for depth 32
[04:17] <genii> Pb2007: use what you see above where you are typing for depth 24 for an example, just put 32 instead of 24 but otherwise duplicate what is from depth 24  to last resolution it had for that depth
[04:18] <genii> Pb2007: If unclear about instructions please ask
[04:18] <Pb2007> ok just so that i don`t do anyting wrong, my sction is "screen" have some info, i am now under the line that says "end subsection, is that where i shoud be ?
[04:19] <Crell> Is there a howto on safely installing selected packages from gutsy without upgrading the entire system?
[04:19] <genii> Pb2007: No, you need to make this entry just above that
[04:19] <stdin> Crell: what packages?
[04:20] <genii> Pb2007: So that "end subsection" is after what you type on a line of it's own
[04:20] <Pb2007> genii:Ahh ok, so i cant just edit away 24 ?
[04:20] <Pb2007> genii: or are we making a "news mode"
[04:21] <genii> Pb2007: No. I did not ask you to do this. Please follow EXACTLY instructions. Improvising may be catastrophic
[04:21] <Pb2007> genii:ok ill do as you say =)
[04:21] <level1> Hi, konqueror is behaving a little weird... it seems to want to treat webpages as text files
[04:21] <Crell> stdin: The kernel and possibly alsa.
[04:21] <Cannoli> HUZZAH
[04:21] <Crell> I've been trying to get a compile going, but keep running into issues. :-/
[04:21] <Cannoli> linux is installed
[04:22] <Cannoli> i'll see u all on the other side
[04:22] <Cannoli> :D
[04:22] <Kein> Have fun, Cannoli.
[04:22] <stdin> Crell: www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-upgrade-kernel2622-9-generic-in-feisty-fawn.html
[04:22] <Kein> It's very usable.
[04:22] <Pb2007> genii:so if i understand you correctly, i need to copy paste what i see above, and then type 32 where its 24 now, and leave 16 as it is ?
[04:22] <genii> Pb2007: Please let me know when you have made the new entry for depth 32
[04:22] <Crell> stdin: Ah, that looks like exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks.
[04:23] <genii> Pb2007: Yes, now you have the idea :)
[04:24] <genii> afk phone
[04:26] <genii> Pb2007: The idea here is that we will set it to something the 915resolution prog can that is the same in both cases so that your kde will work again
[04:26] <Pb2007> genii: ahh ok
[04:27] <genii> Pb2007: Ok, so after making these changes, do ctrl-q and save the file
[04:27] <saylar> hey guys
[04:27] <Kein> ...hm.
[04:27] <Kein> Hey guys?
[04:27] <Kein> Is there any native linux IRC clients that support mIRC scripts/remotes and such?
[04:27] <stdin> doubt it
[04:27] <Pb2007> genii: i thing im finisht now, i statred with subsection "display" depth 32 virtual 640 480 modes "640x480@60@
[04:27] <Kein> Aww.
[04:28] <saylar> i am trying to create a gpg key, but unfortunately i can just connect to it via ssh
[04:28] <Kein> I can always WINE it, so it's all good.
[04:28] <stdin> Kein: but mirc runs in wine, or so I've herd
[04:28] <saylar> this seems to be a problem while collecting entropy data
[04:28] <saylar> any suggestions on that?
[04:28] <genii> Pb2007: OK, that should be fine
[04:28] <Pb2007> genii: ok what do i do next
[04:29] <Kein> Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.  Already ran it in WINE, but I was curious if I wouldn't have to.
[04:29] <genii> Pb2007: Exit nano by   ctrl-c when it asks to save, hit Y   then enter key aftyer that
[04:29] <Crell> How do I set the default version for Apt to use if I don't explicitly specify a version?
[04:29] <stdin> Kein: I can't say for sure if any do or not
[04:29] <Pb2007> genii: ok done and done =)
[04:30] <genii> Pb2007: Let me know when done, do not do anything innovative after that ;)
[04:30] <stdin> Kein: what type of scripts does mirc use?
[04:30] <genii> Pb2007: OK, now to issue a command which I need to look up. 1 moment
[04:30] <Pb2007> genii: hehe don`t worry :) and im done saving
[04:30] <Pb2007> genii: ok
[04:31] <Kein> not sure, stdin.
[04:31] <Kein> I can WINE it, though; I've done it before and I'm not planning on making it my default client.
[04:32] <genii> Pb2007: Actually that step should not be needed here (on reflection)
[04:32] <stdin> Kein: if it's some language, like perl or python, then they should work in some
[04:32] <Pb2007> genii:ok
[04:32] <genii> Pb2007: Do you have kde running somewhere right now or not?
[04:32] <Pb2007> genii:its running
[04:32] <deathroll> hi im back
[04:33] <deathroll> stdin
[04:33] <deathroll> ive installed and everything works
[04:33] <stdin> good good :)
[04:33] <deathroll> but i'd like you to ask how can i get a higher video resolution ??
[04:33] <deathroll> i got my nvidia drivers on  the windows
[04:33] <genii> Pb2007: Log out of it then, when you get to the login screen again, do  ctrl-alt-backspace    key combo. This will restart the entire X server. Then login back to kde. I will wait here for you
[04:33] <deathroll> but it seems that  they dont work here
[04:33] <stdin> !nvidia
[04:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <stdin> deathroll: see that link
[04:33] <deathroll> in the console ?
[04:34] <deathroll> yeah
[04:34] <genii> Pb2007: If you are unable to logoff the kde for some reason let me know
[04:34] <Pb2007> genii:ok, doing that now, and now i got the blinking dot agein )=
[04:35] <tazgodx> is it possible to only show the programs in the certain desktop on the bottom bar in KDE?
[04:35] <Pb2007> genii: after the key combo
[04:35] <genii> Pb2007: OK. hit   alt-f7 to try and see the kdm login screen
[04:35] <Crell> tazgodx: Yes.  Right click on the taskbar, select "Configure panel".
[04:35] <Crell> Go down to the Taskbar tab on the left.
[04:35] <stdin> tazgodx: right click the panel > configure panel  > taskbar
[04:36] <stdin> it's the 1st option
[04:36] <tazgodx> sweet
[04:36] <stdin> (note: it won't work with bery/compiz/-fusion)
[04:36] <tazgodx> your great
[04:36] <genii> Pb2007: You can go to a console if it fails by ctrl-alt-f1
[04:37] <tazgodx> no porb, i can't get beryl/compiz/ or fusion to work :)
[04:37] <Pb2007> genii: still just a blinking dot, before i edited xorg.conf i had the x server running, but with the bland spaces on the dise
[04:37] <tazgodx> well, not well enough to want to use it
[04:37] <Pb2007> genii: yeah it did fail .. back to console now
[04:37] <deathroll> stdin
[04:37] <genii> Pb2007: OK. in console, issue :  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:38] <stdin> deathroll
[04:38] <deathroll> wait
[04:38] <deathroll> an update called adept is running
[04:38] <deathroll> isn't that the video updater ?
[04:38] <deathroll> i mean the drivers
[04:38] <Pb2007> genii: trying that now
[04:39] <stdin> !adept
[04:39] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:39] <Pb2007> genii: it faild agein
[04:39] <stdin> deathroll: that won't auto-install the nvidia drivers
[04:39] <genii> Pb2007: OK, put for now to stop it,: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:40] <Pb2007> genii: done
[04:40] <genii> Pb2007: At this stage are several options
[04:40] <tammy> hi pples i have problem playing WMA files.. using VLC it is playing but no video came out
[04:41] <tammy> i thought its codec problem and did a little googling .. tried to install w32codec using apt-get but
[04:41] <stdin> tammy: have you installed w32codecs ?
[04:41] <tammy> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:41] <genii> Pb2007:  1- we can reconfigure the xserver    2- we can remove all the 915resolution stuff 3- we can re-edit xorg.conf
[04:41] <Kein> ...weird.
[04:41] <stdin> !w32codecs | tammy
[04:41] <ubotu> tammy: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:41] <tammy> tried to do apt-get update too...doesn't work :(
[04:41] <mneptok> !info w32codecs
[04:41] <ubotu> w32codecs: Win32 codec binaries. In component extras, is optional. Version 20061022-1~seveas1 (feisty-seveas), package size 13920 kB, installed size 33580 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:41] <Kein> The SDL isn't showing up when I'm trying to configure this.
[04:42] <mneptok> tammy: enable the extras repo
[04:42] <genii> Pb2007: I would recommend doing both 1 and 2
[04:42] <tammy> ohhhh i'll try that
[04:42] <genii> Pb2007: 2 first thebn 1
[04:42] <mneptok> Kein: SDL is a library. not an app.
[04:42] <stdin> tammy: and try not to use wmv, they suck :p
[04:42] <Pb2007> genii: what do you thing is the best way, all i want is to rund kde in fullscreen on my laptop and have a fairly good resolution
[04:42] <Kein> Yeah, I know. >_<
[04:42] <deathroll> stdin can you help me :/ ?
[04:42] <Crell> Wow!  I've got 9 WiFI networks within range of me... and they're all secure.
[04:42] <Kein> Rather, what I meant was that I installed it via Adept and am trying to source install something else.
[04:42] <mneptok> Pb2007: what laptop?
[04:43] <stdin> deathroll: I gave you the link, what part of it do you need help with?
[04:43] <Pb2007> mneptok:Dell xps m1210
[04:43] <mneptok> Pb2007: i810 video?
[04:43] <Pb2007> mneptok:yes
[04:43] <tammy> what is the component to use?
[04:43] <tammy> deb http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/ feisty-seveas extras freenx
[04:43] <deathroll> !nvidia
[04:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:43] <mneptok> Pb2007: let me guess. the screen takes up 50% of the monitor, in the center.
[04:43] <stdin> tammy: add the whole line
[04:43] <underdog5004> lol, that happened on my lappy
[04:43] <Pb2007> mneptok:yeah that is correct
[04:44] <mneptok> Pb2007: known bug. lemme find you the xorg.conf parameters te set.
[04:44] <mneptok> *to
[04:44] <tammy> what is the component that i want to enable? w32codec?
[04:44] <Crell> Gr, still no audio.
[04:45] <Pb2007> genii has tried to help me after i tried to do it my self and totaly scrwed up the xserver
[04:45] <mneptok> Pb2007: what version of Ubuntu?
[04:46] <stdin> tammy: press Alt-F2, put in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra.list" paste the line "deb http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/ feisty-seveas extras freenx" in there (no quotes) then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install w32codecs"
[04:46] <Pb2007> mneptok:704
[04:46] <mneptok> Pb2007: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:46] <tammy> i added deb-src http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ dapper-seveas extras w32codec
[04:47] <stdin> tammy: no
[04:47] <stdin> tammy: take off that "w32codecs" part
[04:47] <mneptok> Pb2007: then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the 'Driver  "i810"'  to 'Driver  "intel"'
[04:47] <tammy> AH i got it
[04:47] <tammy> thanks thanks
[04:47] <tammy> now its installing
[04:47] <stdin> tammy: and change "deb-src" to just "deb"
[04:47] <Pb2007> mneptok:ok trying that now
[04:48] <tammy> i've no choice but to use it to play a wma file sent by my friends
[04:48] <stdin> tammy: convert them :p
[04:48] <mneptok> friends don't let friends use Windows Media
[04:48] <tammy> not another headache!
[04:49] <deathroll> i cant use the administration options can someone tell me why ?
[04:49] <mneptok> you're not an administrator?
[04:49] <stdin> can't use? what happens when you try? and what have you tried?
[04:49] <Cannoli> omg
[04:49] <mneptok> *shrug*
[04:49] <Cannoli> sooo hawt
[04:49] <Cannoli> :D
[04:50] <Cannoli> ok so now how can i access files from my c: and d:
[04:50] <Cannoli> ?
[04:50] <Cannoli> i partitioned d: for linux
[04:50] <stdin> c:, d:? what's that?
[04:50] <Cannoli> c: holds windows files
[04:50] <Cannoli> my drives
[04:50] <deathroll> the button with administration options
[04:50] <deathroll> i mean i cant press it
[04:50] <Cannoli> :S
[04:50] <deathroll> :PP
[04:50] <stdin> 'c' is a letter?
[04:51] <mneptok> Cannoli: only Windows uses quaint drive letters
[04:51] <Kein> heh.
[04:51] <Kein> ^
[04:51] <Cannoli> dont drives have names in linux?
[04:51] <Kein> nope
[04:51] <Cannoli> oh snap
[04:51] <Cannoli> lol
[04:51] <Cannoli> ok so how do i refer to them as?
[04:51] <stdin> Cannoli: /dev/sda1 :)
[04:51] <Cannoli> ah ic
[04:51] <Cannoli> ok
[04:51] <Kein> can: try /home/ =D
[04:51] <mneptok> Cannoli: you just walked into Ireland singing "God Save The Queen"
[04:51] <Kein> if you're casual, it's all you're likely to use
[04:51] <stdin> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:51] <Cannoli> kk
[04:51] <Pb2007> mneptok:it did, now all i need to do is get the resolution higher and also get 32 in depth instead of 16 :P
[04:52] <mneptok> Pb2007: did you change the driver to "intel" from "i810?"
[04:52] <stdin> deathroll: can't press it?
[04:52] <Pb2007> mneptok:yes i did
[04:52] <mneptok> Pb2007: did you restart X or reboot?
[04:53] <Pb2007> mneptok:just restarted X just learnd that from genii
[04:53] <Kein> ... o_O
[04:53] <Kein> alright, I downloaded a roguelike and unzipped it
[04:53] <Kein> how do I run it with the terminal?
[04:53] <mneptok> Pb2007: OK, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:53] <Kein> when I type the name, it goes "lolwut, no command!"
[04:53] <mneptok> Pb2007: choose the resolutions and bit depths you want
[04:54] <stdin> Kein: what guide?
[04:54] <Kein> hm?
[04:54] <stdin> Kein: what's the file called ?
[04:54] <Kein> adom.exe
[04:54] <Kein> <3 roguelikes
[04:54] <stdin> Kein: exe = windows
[04:54] <Kein> and ADOM was my favorite way back when
[04:54] <Kein> wait
[04:54] <Pb2007> mneptok: in like a terminal windows or in console ?
[04:54] <Kein> might not be .exe
[04:54] <Kein> lemme check
[04:54] <mneptok> Pb2007: either is fine
[04:54] <dotz> why is it that when i use open office to open a DOC file origin by microsoft words, some of the LINES drawn will be out of place?
[04:54] <mneptok> Kein: are you looking for a dungeon crawl?
[04:55] <Kein> hahahah, not -looking-
[04:55] <Kein> I've played a TON of roguelikes
[04:55] <Kein> but all in Windows, not linux
[04:55] <Kein> it's an executable
[04:55] <Kein> but the download was for the linux version
[04:55] <stdin> Kein: what's the file called?
[04:56] <Kein> adom ;/
[04:56] <mneptok> Kein: sudo apt-get install angband zangband gearhead
[04:56] <Kein> got you
[04:56] <Kein> that works very well
[04:56] <Kein> OSHI
[04:56] <mneptok> Kein: there are 3 for you
[04:56] <Kein> GEARHEAD
[04:56] <Kein> I loved gearhead
[04:56] <Kein> it was awesome
[04:56] <deathroll> :)
[04:56] <deathroll> !nvidia
[04:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:56] <stdin> Kein: try ./adom or "sh adom"
[04:57] <Kein> got you
[04:57] <Kein> thanks, stdin
[04:57] <Pb2007> mneptok:i can`t get passt a sealection
[04:57] <mneptok> Pb2007: huh?
[04:58] <Pb2007> mneptok:users of power pc with blah blah blah .. the "ok" does not respond
[05:00] <alaskan> Greets, everyone...
[05:01] <alaskan> If I remove a file that was installed by a package, that shouldn't cause problems when that package gets updated and/or removed, right?
[05:01] <Kein> ...oh lawds
[05:01] <Kein> wtf
[05:01] <Pb2007> genii:do you have any experience in webcams ?
[05:02] <Kein> Can I copypaste what happened?
[05:02] <Crell> !pastebin
[05:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <stdin> alaskan: the file will probably be replaced then
[05:03] <mneptok> Pb2007: <tab> <return>
[05:04] <alaskan> stdin: Ok, thanks... I'm about to remove the default power management applet's .desktop file from /usr/share/autostart then, unless you know of another way to not get it to start at every login?
[05:04] <Pb2007> mneptok:ok
[05:05] <stdin> alaskan: not sure, does it ask you (when you choose exit) whether to start it again or not?
[05:06] <deathroll> stdin
[05:06] <deathroll> ive got a lame question :D
[05:06] <stdin> deathroll
[05:06] <deathroll> i should press system then administration
[05:06] <deathroll> but there is no administaration button haha :D
[05:06] <stdin> in what?
[05:06] <alaskan> stdin: nope. just confirms i want to quit. :-\
[05:06] <Kein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34021/
[05:06] <deathroll> in the driver manual that you gave me
[05:07] <deathroll> it says that i must press system than administration
[05:07] <stdin> deathroll: it also says that if you are using kubuntu to follow the other instructions...
[05:08] <alaskan> well, i'm off. thanks for the info, stdin. peace
[05:09] <stdin> alaskan: there is some dpkg-divert thing that can do it, but not sure how, man pages i guess
[05:10] <alaskan> cool. i think i'll just stick with removing it from autostart, dirty as it may be. seems safe enough.
[05:10] <alaskan> later
[05:12] <Kein> anyways, yeah, no clue what the hell could cause ADOM to think that it's not more than 78x33
[05:12] <Kein> or such ;/
[05:13] <Pb2007> mneptok: when i connect my usb harddrive, the system responds but i don`t find the hdd, any tips ? i get this choice "open in new windows" and when i click that , nothing happens
[05:19] <drif> Pb2007: 'sudo fdisk -l' might give you some clue
[05:20] <Pb2007> drif: ok ill try that, but is it possible to make a shortcut on the desktop ? that mounts the disk when i conncect and click ?
[05:21] <drif> Pb2007: do you know how to manually mount devices/drives?
[05:21] <mneptok> Pb2007: it should automount on its own
[05:22] <drif> mneptok: anything automated can also fail..no harm checking it out though?
[05:22] <drif> Pb2007: should there be something already on that drive?
[05:23] <Pb2007> drif:yeah movies and pictures ..
[05:23] <Pb2007> mneptok:it did not mount on its own )=
[05:24] <drif> Pb2007: ntfs?
[05:24] <drif> or ext3/reiserfs etc.
[05:25] <Pb2007> drif:yes
[05:25] <drif> Pb2007: did fdisk return anything useful?
[05:25] <Pb2007> drif:yes it did, thx so mutch :D
[05:25] <drif> you're welcome
[05:25] <Pb2007> does that go for the cardreader aswell ?
[05:26] <drif> Pb2007: can't see reason why it wouldn't
[05:26] <Pb2007> drif:it is a built in card reader .. dident work )=
[05:27] <drif> Pb2007: I haven't had much experience with cardreaders under linux so far.. don't own digital camera
[05:28] <Pb2007> ok
[05:29] <Pb2007> trying to get my webcam up and running :P easier said than done :P
[05:29] <drif> depends on camera/chipset
[05:30] <drif> both I've tried worked automaticly under 7.04
[05:30] <Pb2007> its logitech quick cam ... what application did you use ?
[05:31] <dkeller> k
[05:32] <drif> Pb2007: actually just camgrab
[05:32] <drif> Pb2007: but it automaticly detected the device when I plugged it in
[05:32] <drif> Pb2007: like your usb-drive did
[05:32] <Pb2007> drif:hehe its a built in to my screen cam
[05:33] <drif> Pb2007: check lsmod if it's already there
[05:34] <drif> Pb2007: also 'dmesg | grep -i logi'
[05:34] <Pb2007> drif;any idea what it might be named ?
[05:34] <drif> if there's anything mentioned on boot
[05:37] <miles_> is Biovore in here?
[05:39] <Biovore> oO
[05:39] <miles_> hey Biovore
[05:39] <Biovore> c++ question?
[05:39] <miles_> you told me about gumstix, im pretty interested in it...
[05:39] <Biovore> oh.. yeah..
[05:39] <miles_> what exactly do you do with it?
[05:39] <Firekill> how i can upgrade my system? only apt-get upgrade??
[05:40] <Biovore> me.. I just monkey around with it.. I havn't messed with in a few months though..
[05:40] <stdin> Firekill: adept
[05:40] <miles_> o...i want to buy one of their way smalls...i was just kind of curious for ideas of what i can do with it
[05:40] <Biovore> Firekill: yeah.. basiclhy you need to update to the new repos and do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:40] <Firekill> hum
[05:40] <Firekill> ok man
[05:40] <Firekill> i'll made it
[05:41] <Firekill> i new user of kubuntu =] 
[05:41] <stdin> don't upgrade to gutsy unless you _know_ what you're doing...
[05:41] <Biovore> miles_: well depends.. you only have SSH access to start with.. depends if your good with electronics or not..
[05:41] <Scorpaen> amarok: how does one install mp3 support??
[05:41] <Biovore> Firekill: update from a to b.. whats A and B
[05:41] <Biovore> !mp3
[05:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:41] <stdin> Firekill: for day-to-day updates, use adept
[05:41] <miles_> i think embedded linux is where i want to go with my life
[05:42] <miles_> do you know of any embedded linux IRC channels?
[05:42] <Biovore> It basicly the same proc in a IPAQ
[05:42] <Firekill> stdin i'll go see adept
[05:42] <Biovore> #gumstix here
[05:42] <miles_> thanks
[05:42] <Biovore> or check out the wiki and get on the mailling list..
[05:42] <Firekill> thx man
[05:42] <Firekill> =] 
[05:42] <Scorpaen> hey Biovore there are no instructions for Gutsy there
[05:42] <Biovore> rgr
[05:42] <Biovore> try kubuntu+1
[05:43] <Biovore> gusty is beta.. no instructions..
[05:43] <stdin> miles_:  #ubuntu-mobile ?
[05:43] <stdin> Scorpaen: #ubuntu+1
[05:43] <Biovore> I don't think ubuntu works on gumstix.. there Xscale ARM
[05:43] <Biovore> Infact.. there uc Linux.. no MMU.. can't run full blown linux..
[05:44] <Biovore> I have a Touch LCD on my and tiny X running with qtopia 4.2 on it..
[05:44] <miles_> o really? thats pretty cool
[05:44] <Biovore> yeah.. but hard.. I had to make my own PCB
[05:45] <Biovore> I have the 600 MHz 128MB version and the 200 Mhz version..
[05:46] <miles_> i am going to buy one, but i didnt want to be like "ok cool i can run linux on this...now what?" you know?
[05:46] <Biovore> well you might end up like that at first..
[05:46] <Biovore> its not simple..
[05:46] <miles_> haha
[05:46] <Biovore> They have a wiki but it covers the basics..
[05:46] <miles_> would you reccomend any other avenues into learning embedded systems?
[05:46] <Biovore> you have to cross compile everything for the device.. Its a pain..
[05:47] <Biovore> Well thats it..   If you get the cheap one with robo stix.. that might be the best bet..
[05:47] <Biovore> there some docs on how that works..
[05:47] <Biovore> There are also a few book on the subject..
[05:47] <stdin> heh, new package in gutsy: xserver-xorg-video-psb
[05:48] <Biovore> Robert Loves book on linux kernel is very good..
[05:48] <miles_> better than o'reillys understanding the linux kernel?
[05:48] <Biovore> I bought some embedded linux books.. but I don't really like them..
[05:48] <Biovore> miles_: most descitily.. robert love is a major 2.6 kernel developer
[05:48] <Biovore> for suse
[05:49] <Biovore> he just recently quit suse though..
[05:49] <miles_> Biovore: do? you contribute to the ubuntu community
[05:49] <stdin> miles_: he is right now
[05:49] <Biovore> miles_: sorta..  I help out with the Maryland Ubuntu group some..
[05:50] <miles_> o...
[05:50] <Biovore> Work keeps me busy though..
[05:50] <miles_> im looking for a mentor so i can get involved with actual ubuntu development
[05:50] <stdin> helping the community on irc is contributing in a big way imho
[05:50] <Biovore> #ubuntu-devel
[05:50] <Biovore> rgr stdin
[05:51] <miles_> yea ive known about IRC but didnt start using it untill recently...im interested in doing real coding
[05:51] <Biovore> I am an electrial engineer by trade.. I leave the fany OS level stuff to people who have time to mess with it..
[05:51] <Biovore> I do my part and occasionaly help out on project..  I helpped with the netfilter protocol sniffer back in 2000 in college..
[05:52] <Biovore> You can blame the P2P netfilter match on my buddy :-P
[05:52] <miles_> i read an article on being a professional linux developer, it said being recognized in the community for great work is just as good as any resume
[05:52] <stdin> as good as or better
[05:53] <miles_> depends on what you have done exactly i guess
[05:53] <Biovore> well it is..  employers want to if you can get a job done.. street credit is worth more then a degree in most cases..
[05:53] <miles_> right now i work at a start up, we do RFID management solutions...
[05:53] <underdog5004> genii,  howdy
[05:53] <miles_> its cool, but man, linux is so much cooler
[05:53] <stdin> being able to do the job is better then theoretically being able to
[05:54] <Biovore> rgr.. I do RF stuff at my work.. Software Defined Radios and such..
[05:54] <Biovore> I use linux do all kinds of things..  I am also working with the openflightlinux group.
[05:55] <Biovore> Embedding linux in FPGAs and such..
[05:55] <Biovore> miles_: If your realy into leaning how this stuff works, you might want to check out andrew tanibums book on operating systems..
[05:56] <Biovore> and minux as a starting point..
[05:56] <underdog5004> !minix
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about minix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <miles_> minux? not minix?
[05:56] <underdog5004> !minux
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about minux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <underdog5004> miles_, no, minix
[05:56] <Biovore> yeah thats it.. typo
[05:56] <Biovore> or what ever it is..
[05:57] <maxagaz> salut
[05:57] <miles_> !fr | maxagaz
[05:57] <ubotu> maxagaz: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:57] <Biovore> any way of to bed..
[05:57] <miles_> yea i need to finish my COBOL lab, sucks
[05:57] <miles_> thanks for your help
[05:57] <Cannoli> god i love linux
[05:57] <Cannoli> im installed 170+ games
[05:58] <Cannoli> and they take up less than 1gb of space
[05:58] <Cannoli> XD
[05:58] <Cannoli> less than 2gb*
[05:59] <jhutchins> He who dies with the most versions of solitare...
[05:59] <Cannoli> :S
[05:59] <Cannoli> now im lost
[05:59] <Cannoli> XD
[05:59] <Cannoli> !front end
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about front end - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <Cannoli> !frontend
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frontend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <Cannoli> dang
[06:00] <underdog5004> Cannoli, what's the problem?
[06:00] <Cannoli> wondering wht a front end is
[06:00] <Cannoli> :S
[06:01] <underdog5004> Cannoli, a frontend is kinda like an easier way to comprehend a complex program
[06:01] <underdog5004> for example, synaptic is a frontend for the command line level command apt-get
[06:01] <Cannoli> ah ic
[06:01] <underdog5004> apt-get is in turn a front end for dpkg
[06:02] <underdog5004> apt-get install $program-name is easier than whatever dpkg does
[06:02] <Crell> Although if you're on the command line, use aptitude instead.
[06:02] <underdog5004> Crell, meh, I like apt-get
[06:02] <Cannoli> ah
[06:02] <Cannoli> ic
[06:02] <Cannoli> i get it :)
[06:02] <Cannoli> thanx
[06:02] <miles_> !cpufreq
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpufreq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <Crell> I find aptitude much more reliable and easy to use.
[06:02] <miles_> the cpufreq options in the kernel allow you to OC your hardware running linux, correct?
[06:03] <underdog5004> miles_, I think it only allows you to under-clock it...for lappys, mostly
[06:03] <stdin> yep
[06:03] <stdin> you NEVER want to OC a laptop
[06:03] <miles_> but..what about desktop?
[06:04] <fitoria> hey do ubuntu 32 bits works on celeron?
[06:04] <smaceda> hello
[06:04] <smaceda> can someone help me?
[06:04] <underdog5004> fitoria, yep
[06:04] <underdog5004> !someone | smaceda
[06:04] <ubotu> smaceda: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:05] <miles_> pwn
[06:05] <fitoria> but my celeron D is 64 bits are you sure?
[06:05] <underdog5004> fitoria, absolutely
[06:05] <smaceda> i just install KUBUNTU 7.04 and want to try KDE4
[06:05] <fitoria> ok
[06:05] <fitoria> thanks
[06:05] <Cannoli> !kde4
[06:05] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[06:06] <stdin> fitoria: you can install 32bit on a 64bit cpu just fine
[06:06] <Cannoli> what is the name of that desktop with the cube?
[06:06] <tomi> fitoria: in fact you need a little more tweaking on 64 bit system if you want to run software that is compiled only for 32 bit. ie. flash, java etc.
[06:06] <Cannoli> like u can have 6 desktops and they're on a cube
[06:07] <underdog5004> !beryl
[06:07] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:07] <underdog5004> !compiz
[06:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:07] <stdin> Cannoli: 4 desktops actually, and it's beryl
[06:07] <underdog5004> that's all for you, Cannoli
[06:07] <Cannoli> haha nice
[06:07] <Cannoli> thanx :)
[06:07] <underdog5004> stdin, you can have up to 16, I think
[06:07] <tomi> hp w2207 worth it? :p
[06:07] <stdin> underdog5004: not with the cube tho
[06:07] <underdog5004> no...but...you can have it still be 3d
[06:07] <miles_> in compiz you can go from 1-as much as ur comp can handle
[06:08] <miles_> 2-sided looks kinda cool, its like flipping a card over
[06:08] <underdog5004> compiz < beryl imho
[06:08] <underdog5004> and compiz fusion sucks...
[06:08] <stdin> underdog5004: not fusion :)
[06:08] <stdin> fusion has the beryl goodness
[06:08] <underdog5004> I don't like fusion...I had a HUGE perfomance hit
[06:08] <underdog5004> I'll wait
[06:09] <underdog5004> btw, anyone running 64-bit?
[06:09] <Cannoli> so is beryl as kool as it looks?
[06:09] <underdog5004> Cannoli, yes, but it's been discontinued
[06:09] <Cannoli> why :S
[06:09] <underdog5004> rather, merged into compiz
[06:09] <Cannoli> ah ic
[06:09] <Cannoli> and i can install it on kubuntu?
[06:09] <underdog5004> yep
[06:09] <Cannoli> god i love linux
[06:09] <underdog5004> there're guides
[06:10] <Cannoli> this adept thing is frekin awesome
[06:10] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Beryl
[06:10] <underdog5004> Cannoli, if you like adept, try out synaptic
[06:10] <miles_> underdog5004: yea, i ran compiz on 64bit kubuntu...beryl > compiz
[06:10] <Cannoli> !synaptic
[06:10] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:10] <underdog5004> miles_, can you do uname -m for me?
[06:10] <miles_> im on my work laptop...
[06:10] <tomi> underdog5004: why tell someone to use gtk app on kubuntu chat? :p
[06:10] <miles_> running xubuntu
[06:11] <underdog5004> tomi, synaptic is superior, imho
[06:11] <Cannoli> whts so big abt synaptic?
[06:11] <underdog5004> miles_, can you ssh into your 64bit box?
[06:11] <tomi> underdog5004: might be, but that's not the case :)
[06:11] <Cannoli> like whts the difference between that and adept?
[06:12] <underdog5004> Cannoli, Adept felt that certain packages were fine to uninstall...like the linux kernel, bash, etc...
[06:12] <tomi> Cannoli: for normal usage theres not much you would gain from it. you can install it but you will also be installing some gtk libraries and whatnot on the way
[06:12] <stdin> synaptic is GTK and adept is Qt
[06:12] <miles_> underdog5004: give me a second, ill go downstairs real quick
[06:12] <stdin> for one
[06:12] <underdog5004> miles_, thanks
[06:12] <tomi> Cannoli: also there's kpackage if you want to try it out. but wont be as easy of use
[06:13] <Cannoli> hah then i shall try it later
[06:13] <miles_> actually, im gonna sign in from my desktop, be back in a second
[06:13] <Cannoli> i just wanna stick to the basics for now
[06:13] <Cannoli> then work my way up
[06:13] <Cannoli> to the more advanced stuff
[06:14] <marcelol> Hello folks
[06:14] <deathroll> ive got a question
[06:14] <marcelol> anyone here know a thing or two about superkaramba ?
[06:14] <underdog5004> deathroll, which is?
[06:14] <deathroll> how can i enter my disk partition
[06:14] <deathroll> by using kubuntu
[06:15] <underdog5004> deathroll, cfdisk, qparted, gparted, etc...
[06:15] <deathroll> to check the files there :P ?
[06:15] <underdog5004> marcelol, I do
[06:15] <deathroll> underdog
[06:15] <deathroll> but from
[06:15] <marcelol> thanks under
[06:15] <deathroll> my system
[06:15] <Cannoli> so all security updates and stuff are free and automatic?
[06:15] <deathroll> not by using console
[06:15] <underdog5004> deathroll, seriously, please put your whole thought on one line
[06:15] <underdog5004> Cannoli, not automatic, totally free
[06:15] <underdog5004> marcelol, so, what's your question?
[06:16] <tomi> deathroll: do you mean you want to mount a harddrive partition to a folder that you can access the files?
[06:16] <marcelol> I installed superK...and liquidweather and another theme...but something happened, and they wouldn't come up...so I uninstalled superkarama, rebooted, then reinstalled superk..and even though I've cleared out the .superkaramba directory of those two themes...when I open superkaramba now, it says they're already there, even though they're not listed.
[06:16] <deathroll> tomi yes
[06:16] <Cannoli> sweet
[06:16] <tomi> Cannoli: there will be the update icon on the system tray if updates are available. then just click on it and let it do its thing :) so semi-automatic
[06:16] <underdog5004> marcelol, try this: sudo apt-get remove --purge superkaramba
[06:17] <underdog5004> marcelol, how did you install superkaramba?
[06:17] <Cannoli> yea i just noticed mine
[06:17] <Cannoli> XD
[06:17] <marcelol> underdog5004: been there..done that
[06:17] <Cannoli> i must use it after my games finish installing
[06:17] <marcelol> did the adept.....didn't work..
[06:17] <deathroll> tomi
[06:17] <deathroll> how can i do it ?
[06:17] <tomi> deathroll: go to K-menu -> system settings -> Advanced (tab) -> disks & filesystems
[06:17] <underdog5004> marcelol, no, do what I said
[06:17] <miles_> underdog5004: you wanted just "uname -r"?
[06:17] <marcelol> did dpkg --purge.... purged...but when I reinstalled.....voila ...same problemo
[06:17] <tomi> deathroll: there you can set it up so you can either auto mount the partitions or enable/disable when wanted
[06:17] <underdog5004> miles_, uname -m
[06:17] <marcelol> ok..gimme a sec
[06:17] <miles_> x86_64
[06:18] <underdog5004> marcelol, sudo apt-get remove --purge superkaramba
[06:18] <underdog5004> miles_, thanks so much
[06:18] <miles_> no prob
[06:19] <marcelol> ok...done it
[06:19] <marcelol> now what ?
[06:19] <marcelol> reinstall it that same way ?
[06:19] <underdog5004> marcelol, sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[06:19] <stdin> "superK" also stores settings in ~/.kde/share/config/superkarambarc ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba/
[06:19] <stdin> those won't be removed by --purve
[06:19] <stdin> *purge
[06:20] <miles_> Qt: 3.3.7
[06:20] <miles_> KDE: 3.5.6
[06:20] <miles_> kde-config: 1.0
[06:20] <miles_> woops, sorry
[06:20] <underdog5004> stdin, oh, really? whoops
[06:20] <underdog5004> marcelol, you get that?
[06:20] <underdog5004> marcelol, "superK" also stores settings in ~/.kde/share/config/superkarambarc ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba/
[06:20] <underdog5004> so, remove those
[06:22] <marcelol> excellent....I think it must've been the superkarambarc
[06:22] <marcelol> if you don't wipe superkarambarc and that directory under apps...
[06:22] <underdog5004> right
[06:22] <marcelol> it'll still think that the themes are installed, even though it doesn't load them
[06:22] <underdog5004> that sucks that it's in so many places...
[06:23] <marcelol> it'll show the checkmark....but won't load the themes
[06:23] <marcelol> that's a major a$$ bug
[06:23] <underdog5004> reminds me of windows...lol
[06:23] <marcelol> yeah.....
[06:23] <marcelol> the apt-get script should get updated to wipe those directories
[06:23] <underdog5004> marcelol, not really, the bug is not have --purge remove those config files
[06:23] <marcelol> exactly
[06:23] <marcelol> that's what I mean
[06:24] <stdin> marcelol: config files in /etc not /home/whatever
[06:24] <marcelol> superk should be oblivious to the whole thing.....
[06:24] <underdog5004> !launchpad
[06:24] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:24] <marcelol> apt should've zapped it all
[06:24] <underdog5004> I agree... etc == editable text config
[06:24] <underdog5004> that's what it's there for
[06:24] <marcelol> yup....
[06:25] <marcelol> then again..the gods of Apt should have been given a list of any directories that need to be zapped..
[06:25] <underdog5004> but it looks so pretty, I can't help but install it...
[06:25] <marcelol> I wonder if the superk guys included that or not..
[06:25] <marcelol> underdog5004: yup.....me likes my weather...especially in hurricane alley
[06:25] <underdog5004> I'm just happy that apt-get resolves dependencies for more than 1 level
[06:25] <underdog5004> marcelol, lol, I just have a system monitor and a clock
[06:25] <marcelol> look at it this way..it's better than "Add/Remove applications"
[06:26] <marcelol> I just added glass window monitor and weather
[06:26] <marcelol> more than plenty
[06:26] <marcelol> LCARS monitor is cute, but whoa what a hog
[06:26] <underdog5004> marcelol, lol, I like glassmonitor
[06:26] <underdog5004> and areoclcok
[06:26] <underdog5004> erm, aeroclock
[06:27] <coreymon77> im off for the night
[06:27] <coreymon77> goodnight everyone
[06:27] <coreymon77> see you all tomorrow
[06:27] <underdog5004> good night
[06:27] <Cannoli> g'night
[06:27] <Cannoli> :)
[06:31] <maxagaz> what is best text editor I can use to write scripts ?
[06:31] <marcelol> ahhhh..she workie again
[06:31] <stdin> !best | maxagaz
[06:31] <ubotu> maxagaz: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:31] <stdin> kate is nice
[06:31] <stdin> i use nano personally
[06:32] <underdog5004> maxagaz, I like vim
[06:32] <stdin> vim is the root of all evil :p
[06:32] <maxagaz> vim and nano are not easy to copy-paste
[06:32] <underdog5004> man, there're hippies in every channel...just can't get away from them...
[06:32] <underdog5004> nano is good too
[06:32] <stdin> if you have the time, learn vim, if not, don't
[06:33] <maxagaz> so, kate is most complete wysiwig editor for kde ?
[06:33] <maxagaz> the most
[06:34] <tomi> maxagaz: if you're talking html then you might wanna give kompozer a try. not very actively developed though
[06:34] <stdin> wysiwyg? we are talking scripts here?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> !html
[06:34] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[06:34] <maxagaz> for php scripts
[06:34] <tomi> kompozer is new nvu <.<
[06:35] <marcelol> nano is not bad
[06:35] <marcelol> slickedit is the shiz though
[06:35] <underdog5004> ha ha
[06:36] <marcelol> is looking at his weather widget and feels no compunction to return to windows
[06:37] <marcelol> now if someone would write a theme for engadget or /. that would be sweet
[06:37] <marcelol> or maybe a woot
[06:37] <stdin> windows? isn't that the glass filled whole in the wall to let light in?
[06:37] <underdog5004> yeah, cause weatherbug is so awesome...lol
[06:37] <marcelol> that's what I open when I order something at the drive thru
[06:37] <marcelol> yeah....weather bug is a model of robust software engineering
[06:38] <underdog5004> ha ha
[06:38] <underdog5004> so false!
[06:39] <marcelol> is still weaning himself off his apple too
[06:39] <marcelol> though.....every so often I gotta get my fix'o'nix
[06:40] <DaSkreech> tomi: Kinda
[06:40] <alyssa_> anyone experiencing difficulties with Konversation?
[06:41] <stdin> like?
[06:41] <marcelol> random sigdevs ?
[06:41] <alyssa_> server sent error 65: access to restricted port in POST denied
[06:41] <marcelol> that happens every so often
[06:41] <alyssa_> this is a normal thing?
[06:41] <marcelol> restricted port Hmmmm
[06:42] <marcelol> are connecting through a proxy ?
[06:42] <kazuma_> stdin
[06:42] <kazuma_> how can i be super user and modify the permissions from a file
[06:42] <stdin> !sudo
[06:42] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:42] <kazuma_> i got right click
[06:42] <kazuma_> on the file
[06:43] <kazuma_> and go to permissions
[06:43] <kazuma_> but all is gray
[06:43] <stdin> kazuma_: kdesu konqueror
[06:43] <underdog5004> kazuma_, sudo chmod options filename
[06:43] <alyssa_> server sent error 3: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave Klauncher said "unknown protocol" . .
[06:43] <marcelol> alyssa : question....what are you trying to do ?
[06:44] <marcelol> are you accessing this board via konversation now ?
[06:44] <marcelol> or kirc ?
[06:44] <alyssa_> start konversation on my other machine
[06:44] <marcelol> uh huh
[06:44] <stdin> how exactly ?
[06:44] <alyssa_> k button>internet>konversation
[06:45] <kazuma_> there's an error stdin
[06:45] <marcelol> ok.....and then ?
[06:45] <kazuma_> chmod invalid mode?
[06:45] <underdog5004> kazuma_, what mode did you do?
[06:45] <underdog5004> do you know how to use chmod?
[06:45] <underdog5004> you should read the man page
[06:45] <underdog5004> man chmod
[06:45] <alyssa_> then it pops the konversation window and a box that says what I said earlier and ok, it then says the other thing, and ok, then it sigdevs
[06:46] <stdin> how exactly are you starting konversation from the other system?
[06:46] <alyssa_> with the mouse?
[06:46] <alyssa_> k button>internet>konversation kde3.5
[06:46] <kazuma_> that's the error message dude
[06:47] <stdin> you said "start konversation on my other machine"
[06:47] <alyssa_> the other system is within arms reach
[06:47] <stdin> ah, k
[06:47] <stdin> it could mean over an netowrk
[06:47] <alyssa_> ah I see yes it could sorry
[06:47] <alyssa_> nope pure sneakernet
[06:48] <stdin> are you running it inside KDE (ie: not gnome)
[06:48] <alyssa_> yes
[06:48] <kazuma_> what mode?
[06:48] <alyssa_> running gdm to get there though
[06:48] <kazuma_> is chmod not a command?
[06:49] <stdin> running gdm shouldn't matter
[06:49] <kazuma_> or i have to select a mode after that
[06:49] <marcelol> gonna head out....thanks
[06:49] <marcelol> thanks underdog5004
[06:49] <underdog5004> marcelol, lol, np
[06:49] <underdog5004> kazuma_, yes, it is
[06:49] <underdog5004> kazuma_, you just need to learn how to use it properly
[06:49] <kazuma_> =o
[06:49] <alyssa_> ideas stdin?
[06:49] <kazuma_> let me say i wanna change
[06:49] <marcelol> and stdin ......thanks
[06:49] <kazuma_> the permissions
[06:50] <kazuma_> y wanna write and modify a file
[06:50] <kazuma_> but with right click i can't then what should i do?
[06:50] <alyssa_> hehe the light bulb really has to want to change
[06:50] <kazuma_> i have to let that permissions activated
[06:50] <kazuma_> then how do i do that :P
[06:51] <underdog5004> kazuma_, try this to the file, sudo chmod 775 filename
[06:51] <stdin> alyssa_: hmm, don't know.. you could ask in #konversation (they are probably sleeping now tho) or in #kde
[06:51] <namol> chmod 755 filename ? :D
[06:51] <alyssa_> kazuma right click the desktop, run command, konqueror, options, run as root
[06:51] <underdog5004> that means the owner and root can read, write and exec while others can't write...I think
[06:51] <alyssa_> then right click change permissions to your hearts content
[06:51] <namol> underdog5004 , no that would allow owner to r/w/x and same with the group
[06:51] <kazuma_> thanks!!
[06:51] <namol> 755 is the safe bet :)
[06:52] <alyssa_> I think I got em
[06:52] <underdog5004> namol, oh...looks like I have to read the man pages too
[06:52] <underdog5004> ha ha
[06:53] <stdin> underdog5004: it's user,group,others not root,user,others
[06:53] <underdog5004> gotcha
[06:53] <underdog5004> ugo
[06:53] <stdin> root is ALL POWERFUL :p
[06:53] <stdin> can read any file, no matter the permissions
[06:54] <stdin> if you set the file mode to 000 only root has access
[06:54] <namol> yup
[06:54] <alyssa_> add that to my little book of goodies
[06:54] <underdog5004> so, there's no way to make something root-inaccessible ?
[06:54] <stdin> delete it
[06:55] <alyssa_> parted?
[06:55] <underdog5004> lol
[06:55] <stdin> like i said:
[06:55] <stdin> root is ALL POWERFUL :p
[06:55] <alyssa_> little sticker on my monitor says "Bow before me for I am root!"
[06:56] <stdin> mine says: "Fear me! For I am root!"
[06:56] <alyssa_> be just and fear not
[06:56] <alyssa_> be stoned and fear nothing
[06:56] <alyssa_> do acid and fear everything
[06:57] <stdin> or use windows
[06:57] <alyssa_> see also, doing acid
[06:57] <stdin> the designers of XP and Vista mus be on acid, it's disgusting
[06:57] <alyssa_> dumb things that are entertaining for about a weekendf
[06:58] <alyssa_> you mean the new front end for XP isnt called Vista?
[06:58] <stdin> XP looks like someone sneezed on the taskbar
[06:58] <alyssa_> amazing they'd name it something so closely spelled to virus
[06:59] <DaSkreech> !windows
[06:59] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:59] <stdin> Vista looks like it wasn't cleaned in years
[06:59] <alyssa_> hey, my kubuntu taskbar is mighty messy on this box too
[07:00] <stdin> mines nearly transparent
[07:00] <alyssa_> nice
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Pic or it's not true!
[07:02] <popt> how to add a exit user to a exit group from the command line?
[07:02] <popt> groupadd username ? groupname?
[07:02] <alyssa_> ha ha! now mine is GONE!
[07:03] <stdin> http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3207/image8nk4.png
[07:04] <underdog5004> stdin, that looks nice...I really like transparency
[07:04] <underdog5004> http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9872/screenievp6.png
[07:04] <alyssa_> transparency initiated, yummy
[07:04] <alyssa_> now if I can just diddle the background colour to make it all the way gone
[07:05] <stdin> but I would say that :p
[07:05] <underdog5004> so would I...about mine
[07:06] <alyssa_> not feeling so evil today jager?
[07:07] <stdin> ugg, I have work in like 2 hours, I should nap... in fact I will
[07:07] <alyssa_> should someone stand in for you?
[07:07] <alyssa_> thbbb
[07:07] <ebaad> hi, can somebody help me setup the ddclient or soemthing likewise on ubuntu
[07:08] <ebaad> I have been hasseling with it for a long time
[07:08] <ebaad> and me flast resot is to go back to windows with iis
[07:08] <ebaad> which i dont wanna do
[07:08] <alyssa_> aaaack egads man what are you trying to do?
[07:09] <ebaad> i'm trying to host two websites on the same machine with two different domain names
[07:09] <alyssa_> tried apache?
[07:09] <ebaad> yes i have apache installed
[07:09] <ebaad> and also configured the apache2.conf
[07:09] <alyssa_> ok opinions vary, but I like webmin
[07:09] <ebaad> with virtual hosts
[07:10] <alyssa_> and its not functioning properly?
[07:10] <ebaad> is webmin a gui
[07:10] <alyssa_> yes, works well
[07:10] <ebaad> or a cli
[07:10] <alyssa_> gui
[07:10] <alyssa_> through browser
[07:10] <ebaad> can it run on ubuntu
[07:10] <alyssa_> yup
[07:10] <alyssa_> even has a package
[07:11] <ebaad> ok so I will uninstall the ddclient and install webmin
[07:11] <ebaad> cool
[07:11] <GuHhH> can anyone help me with clamav + amavis + spamassassin intregation on postfix?
[07:11] <flaccid> !webmin
[07:11] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[07:11] <ebaad> I'll try that and let you know
[07:11] <flaccid> don't use webmin...
[07:11] <alyssa_> oh pooo
[07:11] <alyssa_> thats politics
[07:11] <ebaad> then what do u suggest flac
[07:11] <ebaad> why two opinions so strong
[07:12] <ebaad> give me some reasoning
[07:12] <flaccid> you can google why webmin is outdated and not good
[07:12] <flaccid> and im not going to explain
[07:12] <alyssa_> I just know it works
[07:12] <ebaad> so is tehre an alternative
[07:12] <flaccid> it doesn't always work, it can do some bad things
[07:12] <flaccid> why do you need a gui for?
[07:13] <ebaad> i tried to configure the .conf file and I can only connect to one website not the other
[07:13] <alyssa_> <-- not a vet apache pseudocoder
[07:13] <ebaad> even though both are registered on dyndns
[07:13] <flaccid> which conf file?
[07:13] <ebaad> ddclient.conf
[07:13] <ebaad> u can go to ebaad.gotdns.com
[07:13] <flaccid> !find ddclient.conf
[07:13] <ebaad> and it connects
[07:13] <ubotu> Package/file ddclient.conf does not exist in feisty
[07:14] <flaccid> which package is this ddclient from
[07:14] <ebaad> it was from adept
[07:14] <alyssa_> I'm outtie
[07:14] <ebaad> i installed it from adept
[07:14] <alyssa_> lata boys
[07:14] <flaccid> !info ddclient
[07:14] <ubotu> ddclient: Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.7.0-3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 50 kB, installed size 296 kB
[07:15] <ebaad> but if i try to connect to pis.linuxhome.com it does not work
[07:15] <flaccid> how did you install ddclient?
[07:15] <ebaad> from adept update manager
[07:16] <flaccid> did it pop up the TUI (blue screen) to enter your account details ?
[07:16] <popt> HELP, I del my sudoer profile, lock the root account , so now there is no sudoer in my system
[07:16] <ebaad> i think so and i did add both dns names
[07:16] <popt> how can unlock
[07:16] <ebaad> can i get the conf screen again to check the settings
[07:16] <flaccid> !single | popt
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <popt> root account?
[07:17] <flaccid> !singleuser | popt
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about singleuser - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <flaccid> ebaad: you can
[07:17] <popt> !singleuser | popt
[07:17] <popt> how\
[07:17] <saylar> morning
[07:17] <flaccid> ebaad: im just checking how this ddclient works
[07:17] <popt> mad...
[07:17] <curtis_all4one> hey
[07:17] <ebaad> oh ok if you can help me that will be awesome
[07:17] <flaccid> ebaad: ps aux | grep ddclient <- what does that return
[07:17] <ebaad> as I have to get the sites up for somebody who is waiting
[07:18] <ebaad> let me try
[07:18] <popt> login in single user mode?
[07:18] <flaccid> popt: yep
[07:18] <curtis_all4one> whats everyone up to
[07:18] <popt> please let me know how to unlock root account
[07:18] <flaccid> ebaad: read about dns propogation... it can still take time on a low TTL...
[07:18] <flaccid> popt: google single user mode ubuntu
[07:18] <popt> flaccid, any step I should folllow?
[07:18] <c1|freaky> popt: do sudo passwd
[07:18] <c1|freaky> and set a pass
[07:18] <ebaad> ddclient - sleeping for 190 seconds <---thats what it says
[07:19] <curtis_all4one> im a linux newb and im having a problem with my motherboards fan
[07:19] <popt> no sudoer on my system now
[07:19] <popt> I can't do sudo
[07:19] <ebaad> so what do u suggest
[07:19] <ebaad> does it work for u
[07:19] <ebaad> how can I get the conf screen again
[07:20] <flaccid> popt: do i said :) login to single user mode and fix the sudo problem
[07:20] <curtis_all4one> im thinking about using a wrapper, anyone have any suggestions
[07:20] <flaccid> ebaad: pastebin your /etc/ddclient.conf
[07:20] <popt> login to single user mode then
[07:20] <c1|freaky> its that recovery mode in grub (bootmanager)
[07:20] <popt> I don't know what to do next
[07:20] <c1|freaky> and then set a root pass ^^
[07:20] <c1|freaky> simply type passwd
[07:20] <popt> how, what command>
[07:20] <popt> passwd?
[07:21] <flaccid> popt: add the user to admin group
[07:21] <popt> is this command just set root password?
[07:21] <ebaad> can i paste it in here
[07:21] <flaccid> no pastebin, ebaad
[07:21] <c1|freaky> its the command to set a pass for the user ure currently logged in as
[07:21] <ebaad> wher can i find pastebin
, thanks
[07:21] <curtis_all4one> im a linux newb and im having a problem with my motherboards fan
[07:21] <curtis_all4one> im a linux newb and im having a problem with my motherboards fan
[07:21] <popt> and c1|freaky
[07:21] <curtis_all4one> im thinking about using a wrapper, anyone have any suggestions
[07:22] <flaccid> !pastebin | ebaad
[07:22] <ubotu> ebaad: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:22] <curtis_all4one> can somebody please help me
[07:22] <flaccid> ebaad: try doing a sudo killall ddclient then run sudo ddclient
[07:22] <flaccid> that will tell you the problem
[07:23] <flaccid> curtis_all4one: someone will help if they can. ask a specific question, otherwise we can't help
[07:23] <flaccid> ##freebsd getting cained...
[07:24] <ebaad> i pasted it already
[07:24] <ebaad> how can I give you the link
[07:24] <flaccid> paste link here
[07:24] <flaccid> let me know result of the command before too
[07:25] <curtis_all4one> ok bear with me here please. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 fiesty and i noticed that my cooling fan non-stop and i'm not to sure why
[07:25] <ebaad> when i try to run again the ddclient it says --->WARNING:  unable to determine IP address
[07:26] <curtis_all4one> if you can tell me what more information you need i will be more than happy to oblige
[07:26] <flaccid> curtis_all4one: probably a problem with acpi. however check top or ksysguard to see if something is using all the CPU %
[07:26] <c1|freaky> curtis_all4one: probably about cpu frequency scaling you got an AMD?
[07:26] <ebaad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34025/ this is the link for the file
[07:26] <MinusSeven> I tried Kubuntu
[07:26] <MinusSeven> But, I uninstalled it
[07:26] <ebaad> when i try to run again the ddclient it says --->WARNING:  unable to determine IP address
[07:26] <c1|freaky> MinusSeven: i love it :D
[07:27] <MinusSeven> It's good, and I like how well its documented and supported
[07:27] <curtis_all4one> nah, im using an intel cpu, but its an msi motherboard with the corecell chip
[07:27] <MinusSeven> But, I didn't like how it removes the root account
[07:27] <flaccid> ebaad: its got a problem updating. google that error - there are various reasons why it can happen
[07:27] <c1|freaky> MinusSeven: you can just enable it by setting a root password ;)
[07:27] <c1|freaky> -just+simply
[07:27] <MinusSeven> I might give it another go, I'll think about it.
[07:27] <flaccid> its how it determines the ip address
[07:28] <MinusSeven> But I reckommend it to anyone using linux for the first time
[07:28] <MinusSeven> recommend
[07:28] <ebaad> i have googled it to death last night but no clue everybody has their own opinion
[07:28] <sauvin> My ubuntu has just decided, when I turned on the computer, that it needs to check /dev/hda2 because it's been mounted 32 times without being checked. This is unacceptable. How to change the frequency of forced checks?
[07:28] <c1|freaky> im using linux for arround 4-5 years
[07:28] <ebaad> that is why I started to think about going back to iis
[07:28] <ebaad> which is lame
[07:28] <flaccid> ebaad: you only found this error message then...
[07:28] <ebaad> i dont wanna do that
[07:28] <flaccid> ebaad: don't complain, fix it..
[07:29] <MinusSeven> It takes a bit extra to partition the hard drive too with Kubuntu, I thought it would have been a bit more automatic
[07:29] <MinusSeven> But everyone has their own tastes
[07:29] <ebaad> yes man I have been tring to fix it it has been a long time before I got to this forum
[07:30] <ebaad> I've spent few nights fixing it and tried both clients on the dyndns website
[07:30] <curtis_all4one> there was a program that came with my motherboard that regulates speed, voltage, and frequency variables, but its only windows based
[07:30] <ebaad> to get this to work
[07:30] <MinusSeven> I hope that didn't come across as negative
[07:30] <flaccid> ebaad: no need to explain
[07:30] <curtis_all4one> so i think i might need to use an ndiswrapper
[07:30] <flaccid> ebaad: #use web is what you need in the ddclient.conf
[07:30] <ebaad> ok letme add that line too
[07:31] <flaccid> ebaad: its a good idea to read the install/readme file and the documentation of sofware
[07:31] <flaccid> the answer to this problem is in the ddclient faq
[07:31] <flaccid> its also talked about here http://freshmeat.net/projects/ddclient/
[07:32] <ebaad> i'm trying to read the man pages also
[07:32] <ebaad> may be I have done something wrong in setting up the file
[07:32] <MinusSeven> How would I set a password for root?
[07:32] <flaccid> the problem is your configuration. you didn't give it the web lookup - how would it get your dynamic ip address otherwise?
[07:32] <MinusSeven> I can use the 'passwd' to assign root a password?
[07:32] <flaccid> !root | MinusSeven
[07:32] <ubotu> MinusSeven: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:32] <flaccid> MinusSeven: sudo passwd root
[07:32] <MinusSeven> ok
[07:33] <MinusSeven> I thought so
[07:33] <ebaad> I was wondering about that too, ther is no IP address mentioned in the conf file
[07:33] <flaccid> thats because you are updating a dynamic ip.. othwise there would be no need for this service if it was static..
[07:34] <kazuma_> how do i copy and image from kde-look.org :S
[07:34] <ebaad>  then y it says unable to determine ip address when I try to run it
[07:34] <kazuma_> i gave right click save image as but download.php appeared
[07:34] <MinusSeven> I've got one more question
[07:35] <MinusSeven> On  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia     it says to go to  System --> Administration --> Restricted Devices Manager
[07:35] <MinusSeven> I couldn't find that
[07:37] <flaccid> ebaad: whats your status
[07:38] <ebaad> i was checking the faq on freshmeat
[07:39] <GuHhH> is there any irc client with proxy support?
[07:39] <ebaad> and also the ddclint --help has a document so I was trying to read that
[07:39] <ebaad> may be it will give me a clue
[07:40] <flaccid> ebaad: sudo ddclient -use=web
[07:41] <ebaad> I did that and it says success to one client but failed for the other
[07:41] <ebaad> let me post the output on bin
[07:42] <flaccid> only have use=web in your .conf . ie. take out use=if, if=eth0
[07:42] <ebaad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34026/
[07:43] <ebaad> let me check
[07:43] <ebaad> i have use=if, use=web
[07:44] <ebaad> also use=if, if=ppp0
[07:44] <ebaad> and use=if, if=ddclient
[07:44] <ebaad> I dont have eth0
[07:45] <ebaad> besides i am using eth1 instead of eth0
[07:45] <flaccid> yep... your problem from the start
[07:45] <ebaad> i have two nics on board
[07:45] <flaccid> is the WAN interface on this same box?
[07:46] <ebaad> but the other one is not being used at all
[07:46] <flaccid> ie. do you have an eth* that is the external ip
[07:46] <ebaad> no this is not a router box
[07:46] <flaccid> so this box just has one LAN nic ?
[07:46] <ebaad> it has two nics one eth0 and the other eth1
[07:47] <ebaad> and i'm just using one eth1
[07:47] <flaccid> but this box does not connect to the internet right?
[07:47] <flaccid> and eth1 is a lan IP right
[07:47] <ebaad> i can connect one for WAN and the other for LAN if I use something likr ipcop box
[07:47] <flaccid> but its not atm
[07:47] <flaccid> so this is why you need to use web
[07:47] <ebaad> yes it connects to internet via a router
[07:48] <flaccid> so only have use=web in there
[07:48] <flaccid> if you have other entries, it will fail
[07:49] <ebaad> shall i write use=if, use=web or just use-web
[07:49] <flaccid> like i've said 4 time snow
[07:49] <flaccid> only use=web
[07:49] <flaccid> use=web go to the net to get your IP
[07:50] <flaccid> if=eth0 makes it update using your eth0 ip
[07:50] <ebaad> ok i have added onlu use=web
[07:50] <flaccid> and if you put in the wrong if , it can't determine obviously
[07:50] <flaccid> sweet
[07:50] <ebaad> can i paste my conf file again so u can have a look at it
[07:51] <flaccid> sure
[07:52] <ebaad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34029/ here is the link
[07:54] <flaccid> ebaad: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34030/  <-- example for one. change your password now if thats it
[07:54] <tusbomi> who can recommenda a good tool for download
[07:54] <flaccid> tusbomi: wget
[07:54] <flaccid> or kget
[07:54] <ebaad> oh ok let me look at it
[07:54] <flaccid> or anything
[07:54] <ebaad> thanks
[07:55] <flaccid> np
[07:55] <tusbomi> thanks~
[07:55] <flaccid> you didn't do take out the other use entries at all
[07:58] <ebaad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34032/ i tried the conf file and tried to restart then it says
[07:59] <ebaad> it is complaining about keyword ip= ' '
[07:59] <mildsauce> Is gutsy stable enough for everyday use yet?
[08:00] <flaccid> mildsauce: nope
[08:00] <ebaad> do i have to add the domain names that it has to update
[08:00] <mildsauce> thank you flaccid
[08:01] <flaccid> ebaad: probably
[08:01] <ebaad> ok let me add that
[08:01] <popt> what 'lock root' command do?
[08:02] <popt> is it simply lock root  account?
[08:02] <popt> or just disable root login>
[08:02] <popt> anyone could kindly explain a lit to me?
[08:02] <popt> thanks
[08:03] <flaccid> !root
[08:03] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:03] <flaccid> no such command lock. see above for details on root
[08:04] <flaccid> ebaad: get your configuration right from the ddclient -help and just make sure the other directives are untouched eg. use-
[08:04] <popt> thanks all:)
[08:04] <ebaad> ok, I'll work on that and let u know
[08:05] <ebaad> but thanks for the help so far
[08:07] <popt> also I just force to add a hostname to my ssh list permemantly
[08:08] <popt> any chance I could del it from my host?
[08:08] <popt> should I just del ~/.ssh/*?
[08:08] <popt> is it ok?
[08:09] <flaccid> why do you want to remove it from known_hosts, popt?
[08:09] <Lynoure> popt: it's ok unless you have keys there.
[08:10] <Lynoure> flaccid: common reason is dhcp... I do it a lot for names in our installation rotation
[08:15] <popt> yes, I have keys there
[08:15] <popt> can I del ~/.ssh/?
[08:16] <saylar> someone here that can help me creating a really simple script?
[08:21] <fignew> saylar: yes
[08:22] <popt> can I
[08:22] <popt>  <Lynoure>
[08:22] <tazgodx> i know this program is created for arch linux, but is it possible to get kubuntu to look like this http://kdemod.ath.cx/img/screen6_thumb.png
[08:22] <fignew> popt: yes, you can delete, you'll just lose the keys
[08:23] <mtv> can i use tar to split up a folder into dvd size tars for backup?
[08:24] <saylar> fignew, i got a script that uploads a file to rapidshare, but i need to upload several files, named something.split01 something.split02
[08:24] <fignew> mtv: man split
[08:24] <flaccid> popt: or you can edit knwon
[08:24] <flaccid> ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the desired entry
[08:24] <fignew> saylar: how does it upload?
[08:25] <flaccid> Lynoure: im not sure if thats a good practice..
[08:25] <flaccid> saylar: language?
[08:25] <flaccid> protocol?
[08:25] <saylar> it is a script created by the developers of rapidshare, one sec. i'll give you the link
[08:25] <saylar> perl
[08:26] <fignew> I dun know perl
[08:26] <saylar> http://images.rapidshare.com/software/rsapiresume.pl
[08:26] <saylar> well, i wanted to have a bash script that calls the rsupload script
[08:28] <saylar> to be more specific, it is a real simple bash script, that makes incremental backups of my root partition, splits them into 95MB file, encrypts them with gpg and uploads them to rs
[08:28] <saylar> i am stuck at that lsat point.
[08:28] <saylar> last
[08:28] <adydas> saylar wouldnt ftping it be a better option?
[08:28] <holycow> no
[08:28] <saylar> ftp to where? ;)
[08:28] <adydas> sorry i just read that last line so im not 100% sure whats going on
[08:29] <holycow> ftp uses plain text pass, fpt is not what you want to use for backing up your data
[08:29] <saylar> data is encrypted anyway
[08:29] <fignew> saylar: I'm not gonna lie, that's brilliant :)
[08:29] <saylar> hehe, thx.
[08:29] <holycow> i would just use bacula instead
[08:30] <saylar> i want to write a howto as soon as i'm finished with it
[08:30] <holycow> but scripting this stuff is much more fun indeed
[08:30] <flaccid> please try #perl and #bash . this is not the place for scripting help
[08:31] <saylar> ok, flaccid. let you guys know it when i'm finished.
[08:33] <popt> which command can see my pc cpuinfo and memory info?
[08:34] <popt> cat /../cpuinfo?
[08:34] <popt> I forgot:(
[08:34] <adydas> acpi
[08:34] <adydas> ?
[08:35] <adydas> cat /acpi/cpuinfo ???
[08:35] <adydas> sorry no
[08:35] <flaccid> popt: lshw , cat /proc/cpuinfo , free -m
[08:35] <adydas> proc thats it
[08:36] <popt> :) yes!!!
[08:36] <popt> you are so kind
[08:36] <flaccid> :)
[08:37] <vbgunz> anyone know what the command is to get the login window? I had a problem starting X so I said startx and it appears it wiped out the "switch user" option in my main menu :(
[08:38] <flaccid> thats because X needs to be launched from kdm to get that function, vbgunz
[08:38] <vbgunz> flaccid: ahh, how then can I launch a new gui for another user?
[08:38] <flaccid> vbgunz: so if you xorg.conf is correct, use sudo killall startx; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:39] <flaccid> vbgunz: hmm can't remmeber. its on google but
[08:39] <vbgunz> flaccid: was really afraid you might say that, I know that way but am stuck on a long backup at the moment :/
[08:39] <flaccid> its like startx -:1 or something
[08:40] <vbgunz> flaccid: ok, I'll try looking into it :)
[08:40] <flaccid> here it is, vbgunz: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/multiple-x.html
[08:40] <Cannoli> zomg
[08:40] <Cannoli> ok
[08:40] <flaccid> its -- :1
[08:40] <Cannoli> so i just installed ntfs-3g
[08:40] <Cannoli> but i cant find it
[08:40] <Cannoli> :S
[08:41] <Myelin> Hello, how long will it take for apt-get update on a fresh install on dialup?
[08:41] <vbgunz> flaccid: you fabulous for that, thank you!
[08:41] <flaccid> np
[08:41] <Cannoli> !ntfs-3g
[08:41] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:41] <flaccid> Cannoli: why do you need to find it
[08:41] <Cannoli> so i can run it
[08:41] <flaccid> just use the instructions above
[08:42] <flaccid> you don't exactly run it
[08:42] <Cannoli> ah ic
[08:43] <vbgunz> flaccid: perfect!
[08:43] <vbgunz> flaccid: you saved my ass, thanks, my son (2) was getting a bit flippy ;)
[08:43] <flaccid> npz
[08:48] <Cannoli> flaccid: i dont know where Applications  System Tools  NTFS Configuration Tool is
[08:48] <Cannoli> :S
[08:48] <flaccid> thats probably gnome
[08:49] <Cannoli> aha
[08:49] <Cannoli> found it
[08:49] <Cannoli> :D
[08:49] <flaccid> i express the problems with duplication of articles, the mess of ubuntu doco and no dedicated kubuntu doco, but the doco team are quite closed-minded and want to keep with an inefficient wiki
[08:51] <Cannoli> ok so i klik the NTFS Config tool
[08:51] <Cannoli> but bothing happens
[08:51] <Cannoli> :(
[08:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: Amarok 1.4.7 seems to work fine here...
[08:51] <ico> how to set up a loco team?
[08:52] <ico> i clicked on start team
[08:52] <ico> on loco site
[08:52] <ico> but i don't understand what does it means, nothing happens
[08:52] <ico> pls
[08:52] <flaccid> someone will answer if they can help.
[08:53] <Cannoli> flaccid can u help me with my prob :S
[08:54] <Cannoli> personally i think it didnt install properly
[08:54] <Cannoli> cause in the system menu
[08:54] <Cannoli> theres no icon beside the name
[08:55] <Cannoli> ah ic
[08:55] <Cannoli> i ran it from konsole
[08:55] <Cannoli> and it work
[08:55] <Cannoli> worked :)
[08:56] <Cannoli> !mount point
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mount point - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <ico> @flaccid ok
[08:56] <flaccid> cool
[08:57] <Cannoli> flaccid: whats a mount directory?
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> !fstab | Cannoli
[08:57] <ubotu> Cannoli: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: That should clarify the basics
[08:58] <Cannoli> aww but this requires fstab
[08:58] <Cannoli> like i just dled ntfsconfig
[08:58] <Cannoli> and im trying tht cause apperently its the easiest
[08:58] <Cannoli> but i dont know wht a  mount point is
[08:58] <Cannoli> :(
[08:58] <flaccid> the mount point is anywhere you want
[08:59] <flaccid> eg. /mnt/mynewdrive
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: Every drives get's mounted to an existing folder, that's the mount point
[08:59] <Cannoli> ok
[08:59] <Cannoli> so i can mount it anywhere i want?>
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: Usually those are in /media or /mnt
[08:59] <Cannoli> yea i was gonna do /media/C
[08:59] <Cannoli> is tht ok?
[08:59] <flaccid> Cannoli: yep anywhere
[09:00] <flaccid> but /media or /mnt is what you want
[09:00] <flaccid> oops soz
[09:00] <progreSSive> hi ALL
[09:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: Well, C is really windowish though... My drive formerly known as c:\ gets mounted to /mnt/windows, for instance
[09:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi progreSSive
[09:01] <Cannoli> i keep getting this error
[09:01] <Cannoli> /media/Local Disk contains an invalid caracter.
[09:01] <Cannoli> you must choose a name, not a directory.
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: Does the folder you want to mount your drive to exist?
[09:01] <Cannoli> i dont know :(
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: ls -l /media
[09:02] <Cannoli> yep
[09:02] <Cannoli> exists
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: So basically it is "sudo mount /<device> /<mountpoint>
[09:03] <Cannoli> oops
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: You probably need some extra options though, which I do not know from the top of my head
[09:03] <Cannoli> i got it
[09:03] <Cannoli> its ok
[09:03] <Cannoli> thanx
[09:03] <Cannoli> i got it
[09:03] <Cannoli> :)
[09:04] <djdarkman__> is anyone here who knows how to install mythtv?
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> djdarkman__: "sudo apt-get install mythtv" not working?
[09:04] <djdarkman__> nope
[09:04] <djdarkman__> has problems with mysql server
[09:05] <djdarkman__> somehow a previous install broke and ever since
[09:05] <djdarkman__> it doesn`t ask for mysql user and pw
[09:05] <djdarkman__> and just gives me this error
[09:05] <djdarkman__> Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1.
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> djdarkman__: Try installing what is broken with --purge
[09:05] <djdarkman__> strange that (using password: NO)
[09:06] <djdarkman__> you mean uninstall don`t you?
[09:06] <djdarkman__> that didn`t purge everything
[09:06] <djdarkman__> how can I make the install ask for my password again?
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> djdarkman__: Right, uninstalling... Maybe you need to install it again and than uninstall with --purge
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> djdarkman__: What version of Kubuntu do you run?
[09:07] <djdarkman__> but it can`t install
[09:07] <djdarkman__> feisty
[09:07] <flaccid> djdarkman__: thats a bug which they having trying to fix for a long time now
[09:08] <djdarkman__> flaccid: is there a workaround?
[09:08] <flaccid> mythtv package has several issues. search launchpad
[09:08] <flaccid> !bugs
[09:08] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:08] <ico> anyone knows about creating loco teams
[09:10] <djdarkman__> ico: why not search on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[09:11] <MilhousePunkRock> djdarkman__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[09:12] <ico> djdarkman i searched over, and there is a link, but after clicking join a team it reverts me to the same page, as nothing happened
[09:12] <Cannoli> ok
[09:12] <Cannoli> so how do i unmount drives?
[09:12] <Cannoli> !unmout
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmout - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: sudo umount /<mountpoint>
[09:13] <Cannoli> ok
[09:13] <Cannoli> how do i become root?
[09:13] <Cannoli> :S
[09:13] <Cannoli> or log in as root
[09:13] <Cannoli> ?
[09:13] <dacorr> su
[09:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: sudo is good enough fo you
[09:13] <saylar> sudo su if you really need to
[09:14] <saylar> fignew_, script is done and running right now. will see how it does ;)
[09:14] <fignew_> sweet
[09:15] <Cannoli> If you want to unmount you should be root
[09:15] <Cannoli> wht does tht mean?
[09:15] <Cannoli> like how can i become root?
[09:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: I told you the command, scroll up a bit.
[09:15] <Cannoli> oh
[09:16] <Cannoli> srry
[09:16] <Cannoli> got it
[09:16] <Cannoli> :)
[09:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: Every task that you need to be root for can be done with prefixing sudo to the command
[09:16] <MilhousePunkRock> !sudo | Cannoli
[09:16] <ubotu> Cannoli: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:16] <flaccid> !root
[09:16] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:16] <Cannoli> :|
[09:16] <Cannoli> so u cant get the root password?
[09:16] <Cannoli> ever?
[09:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: There is no root password
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Because there is no user root
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Cannoli: You have a lot of reading to do...
[09:17] <Cannoli> yes i do
[09:17] <Cannoli> XD
[09:18] <dacorr> the root password was set automatically on my install but i could change it in the admin user and groups bit
[09:18] <flaccid> should read the links pasted first :)
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning Hobbsee!
[09:19] <BAsh`> can i use adept to verify a system?
[09:19] <MilhousePunkRock> BAsh`: Verify a system? As in everything is alright?
[09:19] <BAsh`> with urpmi i know you can md5 all system files and check for corruption and so on
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hi MilhousePunkRock!
[09:20] <MilhousePunkRock> BAsh`: I guess apt checks the md5 sum of everything it downloads before it installs
[09:20] <BAsh`> individually that is and compare them to what is in the package
[09:20] <MilhousePunkRock> At least I would hope so...
[09:20] <BAsh`> well of course but with the pakages already installedf
[09:21] <dacorr> anyone tried the nvidia drivers that are in synaptic?
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> BAsh`: The would not have been installed if they were corrupted, I guess...
[09:22] <BAsh`> yeah but i think my hard drive is a bit dodgey and i would like to check to make sure nothing has stuffed up
[09:23] <ico> i have a problem running beryl on kubuntu 7.04. when i start beryl manager a cube is completely white. i installed xorg propertiarty ati driver for my 9600 pro and after restart it crashes so i uninstalled it. when i installed kubuntu for first time it worked perfectly.
[09:23] <ico> i don't have a driver installed now
[09:23] <flaccid> ico: #ubuntu-effects , #beryl
[09:23] <hangthedj> ico: wiki.beryl-project.org
[09:23] <ico> tnx
[09:24] <flaccid> that wiki has been down for ages hang
[09:24] <flaccid> anyway im off
[09:24] <MilhousePunkRock> ico: Maybe it's time to step up to compiz-fusion?
[09:25] <dacorr> ico try envy for your ati its website will tell you if it supports your card
[09:25] <ico> i'll try it, i'm tired of fighting with beryl
[09:25] <ico> i downloaded driver
[09:25] <ico> for my graphic card
[09:25] <MilhousePunkRock> ico: Be prepared for more fighting anyway...
[09:25] <flaccid> yeah i got beryl set perfect, but get one known error. quite ghey....
[09:25] <dacorr> api mismatch error with the downloaded driver?
[09:26] <dotz> why does my kopete keep saying couldn't send message to XXXXX when i didn't do anything? it happen randomly all the time
[09:26] <dotz> its irritating with the pop out
[09:27] <kraut> moin
[09:33] <Cannoli> dang
[09:33] <Cannoli> im getting some weird error
[09:33] <Cannoli> !pastebin
[09:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:34] <Cannoli> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34034/ << thts the error -_-
[09:37] <echo-MaTX> hey all
[09:37] <Cannoli> hiya echo
[09:37] <Cannoli> !ntfs-3g
[09:37] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:39] <Riddell> MilhousePunkRock: thanks
[09:39] <djdarkman__> myhtv is complaining that the backend is not running is there an elegant way to make is start with mythtv viewer or just manual?
[09:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: Note that I have just played one file, as I run Kubuntu on my laptop only (The desktop will get it's dose of humanity in October though), and I hardly use Amarok on the laptop...
[09:41] <Cannoli> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34034/ << i keep getting that error
[09:41] <Cannoli> -_-
[09:41] <djdarkman__> never mind
[09:47] <mtv> after i have used the command "split" how do i rejoin the files?
[09:47] <vbgunz> I did this on gnome a while back. how do go to one computer on my network, login, but actually login to another account on another computer? I remember it didn't use VNC, it was something else. NFS or something like that I think, am I hot?
[09:49] <NickPresta> mtv, perhaps `paste`?
[09:51] <Kein> >_<
[09:51] <NickPresta> !ask | Kein
[09:51] <ubotu> Kein: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:51] <vbgunz> I would really like to login in on one computer but actually log into an account on another computer in the same LAN. anyone have any ideas, how this is done?
[09:52] <Kein> Alright, I've got everything I need to set up a double boot.  I know someone already said it, but how do I modify the GRUB that comes with Kubuntu to do so?
[09:52] <NickPresta> Kein, you already have Windows installed or you're planning on installing Windows after Kubuntu?
[09:53] <Kein> Latter.
[09:53] <Kein> Had to format my HD three times now. =(
[09:53] <Kein> Once was because the partitioner really screwed up.
[09:53] <Kein> Second was because Kubuntu screwed up(I know why, my fault, but I did fix it).
[09:54] <kazuma__> how do i move a file from my desktop to another folder with security?
[09:54] <Kein> Third time was so I could set a NTFS partition.
[09:54] <NickPresta> Kein, am I correct in assuming you have a Kubuntu LiveCD?
[09:54] <Kein> Yep.
[09:54] <Kein> 6.06 because Feisty Fawn didn't work thanks to ATI.
[09:55] <Kein> See, normally I wouldn't bother with reinstalling XP, but I'm a GM for a P&P RP using a program that uses Direct3D.
[09:55] <NickPresta> Kein, that is fine. Are you also comfortable with using the command line when guided?
[09:55] <Kein> I did -not- expect the NTFS partition to get raped.
[09:55] <Kein> Yeah.
[09:55] <Kein> In all honesty, I'm getting more comfortable with the command line than a GUI.
[09:55] <Kein> But that's just me.
[09:56] <NickPresta> Kein, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:57] <Kein> Hmm?
[09:57] <NickPresta> Kein, I suggest the Quick Start method.
[09:57] <Kein> Got ya.
[09:57] <Kein> Hmm.
[09:57] <Kein> Makes sense.
[09:58] <Kein> Alright, I'll save it.
[09:58] <NickPresta> Kein, it's rather painless. I've had to do it once or twice. :)
[09:58] <kazuma__> how do i change permissions from a folder?
[09:58] <Kein> I've got another comp just in case I forget.
[09:58] <kazuma__> can anyone help me?
[09:59] <NickPresta> kazuma__, `chmod`, `chgrp`, `chown`. Use the man pages for more information
[09:59] <kazuma__> thanks
[10:00] <hamadooo> i can't play avi files
[10:00] <NickPresta> !codecs | hamadooo
[10:00] <ubotu> hamadooo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:00] <Kein> You have the codecs, right?
[10:00] <hamadooo> ok
[10:00] <hamadooo> i downloaded it yes
[10:01] <Kein> Hmm.  Though it's not really an important question, any way to make Konversation run Firefox for clicked links instead of Konqueror?
[10:03] <NickPresta> Kein, /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is symlinked to a browser in /usr/bin/path. Change this from /usr/bin/konqueror to /usr/bin/firefox or whatever you want.
[10:03] <Kein> Got you.  Thanks.
[10:04] <NickPresta> Kein, this should do it: sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
[10:05] <Kein> Thanks.
[10:06] <praecox> hello guys. is it possible to restrict some system users in Kubuntu so they can log in using passwords, only RSA keys?
[10:07] <praecox> can't*
[10:09] <kazuma__> hi
[10:09] <kazuma__> i have this error
[10:09] <kazuma__> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440
[10:09] <kazuma__> what should i do?
[10:09] <praecox> kazuma__, sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[10:09] <Kein> ...XD
[10:09] <Kein> Was it wrong of me to be able to identify the band here immediately?
[10:09] <Kein> http://winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_13.png
[10:10] <kazuma__> kazuma@kazumalap:~$ sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[10:10] <kazuma__> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440
[10:10] <kazuma__> still the problem friend check
[10:11] <praecox> kazuma__, check what it's permission. ls -lad /etc/sudoers
[10:11] <NickPresta> kazuma__, perhaps try using the LiveCD to mount your partition and change the permissions from the LiveCD? I don't know if there is an easier way.
[10:12] <echo-MaTX> ctr+alt+f5   ... login as root
[10:12] <praecox> ?
[10:13] <kazuma__> -rw-rw---- 1 kazuma root 403 2007-08-16 10:45 /etc/sudoers
[10:13] <kazuma__> kazuma@kazumalap:~$
[10:13] <kazuma__> that's what appeared friend
[10:14] <praecox> kazuma__, you could try 'sudo su -' and then chmod, as described earlier. but I see no reason why would this not work.
[10:14] <kazuma__> sudo su
[10:14] <kazuma__> -rw-rw---- 1 kazuma root 403 2007-08-16 10:45 /etc/sudoers
[10:14] <kazuma__> wait
[10:15] <Kein> Hmm... damn.  Can't remember the exact syntax for getting the necessary updates for my comp. =/
[10:15] <kazuma__> same mistake friend
[10:15] <NickPresta> Kein, `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[10:16] <Kein> That's it.
[10:17] <Kein> huh.  IIRC, it installed GCC on it, which I needed to compile a few programs from source.
[10:17] <NickPresta> Kein, The 'build-essential`
[10:17] <NickPresta> Kein, package is what you want
[10:18] <Kein> Yeah.
[10:18] <Kein> Thanks.
[10:18] <praecox> kazuma__, weird. you could try su - as well.
[10:18] <praecox> kazuma__, I believe chmod restriction is due to use of sudo command.
[10:18] <praecox> kazuma__, but I'm guessing.
[10:18] <Kein> What would be the syntax?  Sorry about this, but I'm a little new to linux.
[10:19] <praecox> Kein, apt-get install build-essential
[10:19] <Kein> Got you.
[10:19] <praecox> Kein, and if you're not root, sudo first. I mean: sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[10:19] <NickPresta> Kein, `sudo apt-get install PACKAGE`. To search, `apt-cache search TERM`. Use `man apt-get` or `apt-get --help` for more information
[10:20] <Kein> Thanks.
[10:20] <kazuma__> help
[10:20] <kazuma__> i found something
[10:20] <kazuma__> about some called visudo
[10:21] <kazuma__> but i don't know how to use it
[10:21] <praecox> kazuma__, did you try with su?
[10:23] <kazuma__> yeah
[10:23] <kazuma__> the same error
[10:29] <praecox> kazuma__, so I believe you need to boot from livecd, as NickPresta advised you.
[10:29] <kazuma__> and how do i use it?
[10:30] <praecox> simply boot from livecd, open terminal/console, mount your disk somewhere and chmod that file.
[10:31] <phimic> hi all
[10:31] <phimic> is there a way to get all dependencies of a debian package?
[10:33] <kazuma__> how is that of mounting the disk?
[10:33] <vbgunz> anyone know how to restart the sound server?
[10:38] <echo-MaTX> vbgunz:        /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[10:38] <[ifr0g] > sudo before that..
[10:38] <MilhousePunkRock> phimic: I think GDebi takes care of that... Just right click on the .deb and choose "Open with GDebi package manager"
[10:39] <echo-MaTX> ifr0g yes...  ;-)
[10:39] <phimic> MilhousePunkRock: thanks for the hint
[10:40] <MilhousePunkRock> phimic: There is a cli command for that too, but i would have to look it up
[10:41] <ledemente> Hey all.
[10:41] <ledemente> Regarding Kopete, specifically with MSN, how do I stop those annoying "person is online" messages that popup on the screen?
[10:42] <ledemente> I'd prefer if Kopete just flashed when someone was talking to me.
[10:42] <phimic> MilhousePunkRock: i got it, i uses synaptic with preferences -> dependencies
[10:43] <ledemente> Oh, I think I just worked it out.
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> ledemente: You can set that manually for every contact
[10:44] <ledemente> I just found the menu option for Notifications. -___-
[10:44] <kazuma_> yeeah
[10:44] <kazuma_> problem fixed
[10:44] <kazuma_> i let the way to fix it if someone has the same problem
[10:44] <kazuma_> go to recovery mode
[10:45] <kazuma_> and type chown root:root /etc/sudoers
[10:45] <kazuma_> then
[10:45] <kazuma_> chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[10:45] <kazuma_> then reboot
[10:45] <kazuma_> and all fixed
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> kazuma_: You could have probably done that from a kdesu konqueror as well...
[10:46] <kazuma_> yeah?
[10:46] <praecox> might be.
[10:46] <kazuma_> well i'm new what did you spect dude:P
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> kazuma_: Unless the initial problem was that you could not use sudo, of course
[10:47] <kazuma_> exactly
[10:47] <kazuma_> but that's the way i fixed it
[10:47] <kazuma_> if someday you'll use it
[10:47] <pete-ubuntu> Has anyone got a few minutes to help me with a display issue?
[10:47] <kazuma_> you'll have it at hand :P
[10:47] <MilhousePunkRock> recovery mode is pretty powerful...
[10:47] <kevin__> what do i install to play wmv?
[10:47] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: What's the matter
[10:48] <praecox> kevin__, you could try with gmplayer.
[10:48] <MilhousePunkRock> kevin__: win32-codecs, probably...
[10:48] <MilhousePunkRock> !codecs | kevin__
[10:48] <ubotu> kevin__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:49] <tuxplorer> There is no Component chooser in KDE Components in feisty fawn :( This is too bad.. How do i change the default browser integration of kopete?
[10:49] <tuxplorer> i want all links on kopete to open in FF
[10:50] <pete-ubuntu> I have an I have a pc with an AMD 64 FX2 processor and a GeForce 6600GT SLI graphics card. I can install Fedora any version on it but every version of Ubuntu I have tried to install onto it including Gutsy F3 I get a blank screen after going through the boot up. I know ubuntu is working cause I can do an alt F2 and see the login screen
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> !nvidia
[10:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: That might help you, my guess is that you need the propietary nvidia driver
[10:53] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, if you have any graphic card on your motherboard, you could also try to plug your monitor to it for installation.
[10:53] <pete-ubuntu> I have gone through the process of installing the restricted drivers etc and also tried to change the driver to the vesa. Whatever I do and I have done a lot with each version of Ubuntu, I am unable to get it to work
[10:54] <pete-ubuntu> I have also tried that
[10:54] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: Did you try the alternative install CD as well?
[10:54] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, and one more thing - when this blank screen appears?
[10:55] <pete-ubuntu> I have not because I do not want to try and install it and find it will not worhk then have to re-install everything I already have on the pc, if you get my drift
[10:55] <pete-ubuntu> the blank screen appears after the livecd has installed onto ram
[10:56] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: Basically it should work, it is just the question of how to make it work... I assume that you have tried different video modes from the boot menu of th live CD?
[10:56] <pete-ubuntu> everything is working except X
[10:56] <pete-ubuntu> yes gone through all sorts of things
[10:56] <Kein> ...O_o
[10:57] <Kein> Is it just me or does synaptic blow adept out of the water?
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: You might as well log into the text console and try to reconfigure the x server
[10:57] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, well, maybe livecd doesn't support your video card? why don't you simply install it with alternate install CD as MilhousePunkRock mentioned?
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Kein: apt-get owns them all :)
[10:57] <pete-ubuntu> I have done that with every version of Ubuntu trust me
[10:58] <Kein> of course, lololol
[10:58] <pete-ubuntu> I have also tried to install a full version of Ubuntu and then installed the nvidia driver also same result
[10:59] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, with all respect, I don't believe in what you're saying. have you tried envy to install appropriate drivers?
[10:59] <praecox> I know it's not very 'cool way' of doing this. but it simply works in some circumstances.
[10:59] <pete-ubuntu> could it be something to do with SLI? I have two pc's and this one is also AMD 64 but without an SLI card only a 7700 nividia and ubuntu works fine
[10:59] <afaith> hello there people! i've just installed gizmo project and i don't have a person that is willing to help me testing it. anyone here ?
[11:00] <MilhousePunkRock> !sli
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: Can you give a little more detail? Basically I have nothing better to do right now...
[11:00] <MilhousePunkRock> pete-ubuntu: That could be, but I am pretty sure there is a solution
[11:01] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: have you ever heard about the open source VoIP software called Gizmo Project ?
[11:01] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: No
[11:01] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, have you tried googling for your problem? http://www.google.pl/search?q=graphic+card+sli+blank+screen
[11:01] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: Wait, I have, once I looked up something about Skype
[11:01] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: have a look here : http://www.gizmoproject.com/
[11:01] <praecox> pete-ubuntu, or +ubuntu, however.
[11:01] <MilhousePunkRock> praecox: That queriy is missing either linux or ubuntu though
[11:02] <praecox> MilhousePunkRock, right, but might give some general view.
[11:02] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: gizmo does the same as skype, but it' OSS
[11:02] <afaith> !gizmo
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gizmo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <afaith> !gizmo-project
[11:02] <praecox> MilhousePunkRock, that's why I added +ubuntu later.
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gizmo-project - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <praecox> !your-ass
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your-ass - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <praecox> quite funny.
[11:03] <pete-ubuntu> thanks for your time guys
[11:03] <Tabmows> where is the option of changing the behaviour so you cannot see applications on other desktops?
[11:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Tabmows: In kicker?
[11:03] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: have you seen the webpage ?
[11:03] <Tabmows> MilhousePunkRock, never mind, found it
[11:04] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: Just looking it up, I am not on my Kubuntu system right now but my Gentoo machine
[11:04] <Lynoure> flaccid: sorry about the huge delay. I don't advocate removing stuff from knownhosts without a good reason. I remove them because I just installed a new server that got d105 as it's name, so I know really surely that the old key no longer matches.
[11:05] <afaith> of :( MilhousePunkRock : when you will be able to help me, just ... say my name :)
[11:05] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: Looks like it is not in Gentoo's "repository equivalent", so I won't be able to help you with that...
[11:07] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: ok :( maybe when you'll go to your kubuntu running machine you will be kind to help me
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: I just shut that down a few minutes ago... Since I am such a nice guy, I will boot it up again... I don't know if the mic is working there, but I might as well try the USB soundcard...
[11:09] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: i will remain grateful to you
[11:10] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: In the long view, I am stuck with evil closed source stuff like ICQ or Skype, because all my buddies are non-geeks and I can not make them switch to the good side
[11:11] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: imho, you dont have to be a geek to think smart
[11:12] <afaith> i mean, if you use Skype or ICQ, you can easily create an account to one of those OS services like google, jabber or something like this. maybe they stick to those closed source programs because they are more confortable with them. on the other hand, software developers offer much better support for windows closed source programs
[11:13] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: That's true, but they just don't care... "I have always used that, so why should I switch" and so on...
[11:13] <afaith> i know ...
[11:14] <user17> hii
[11:15] <user17> hii
[11:16] <user17__> hii
[11:17] <echo-MaTX> hi user
[11:19] <urilock> hey
[11:20] <kaminix|shindeir> How do I shape my connection so my download won't be choked by my upload (believe that just happened, ADSL btw)?
[11:21] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: Are you referring to a certain application/protocol?
[11:22] <kaminix> kaminix: When I limited the upload in Ktorrent everything suddenly went smoothly. I want to do that on my whole system.
[11:23] <SlimeyPe1e> looks like you want to do some traffic shaping
[11:23] <kaminix> Yep, but how?
[11:23] <SlimeyPe1e> I've never done it myself but there's a comprehensive howto at http://lartc.org/lartc.html
[11:24] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: It is unlikely that you will max out your upstream with anything else than torrent though, and it is essential to limit the upstream in any bittorent application to about 80% of what your line is capable of...
[11:24] <kaminix> Thanks, I'll look it up.
[11:24] <kaminix> Can my download choke my upload?
[11:24] <Kein> No.
[11:24] <Kein> Not to my knowledge, anyways.
[11:25] <kaminix> Okay. :)
[11:25] <urilock> hey
[11:25] <urilock> i finally got compiz working
[11:25] <urilock> and my rotation is that of a square
[11:25] <urilock> i want it to be a cube
[11:25] <urilock> any help?
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: You will get better and more stable download rates if you limit your upload...
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> urilock: #ubuntu-effects or #compiz
[11:26] <kaminix> If I set two PCs to do maximum of 80% of what the connection is capable of, will I still be safe from time outs?
[11:26] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: I noticed :)
[11:27] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: No, you need to distribute that 80% between both PCs... That's where traffic shaping comes into play...
[11:28] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: You can just dedicate one of the PCs to Bittorrent and set the 80% there and you will be fine
[11:28] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: Then I need to shape the router?
[11:28] <Kein> XD
[11:28] <Kein> kaminix: try taking the easy way out.
[11:28] <Kein> 40% + 40%
[11:28] <kaminix> NO WAY :P
[11:29] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: If you really have to run torrent on both PCs, shaping would be done by the router. If your router can do it...
[11:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Kein: Not the smartest idea
[11:29] <Kein> =(
[11:29] <kaminix> Okay. Well, I'll solve it somehow. Thanks, now I know the problem anyway. :P
[11:30] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: The easiest solution is just to use only one PC for bittorrent...
[11:31] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: KTorrent has a nice WebUI which you can use to maintain your torrents in a webbrowser
[11:32] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: I'm afraid my sister would be sort of pissed if I told her she must use my laptop for torrents. Anyway, I don't think she does much torrenting anyway.
[11:32] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: Put the folder for ktorrent in a NFS share and you are set
[11:32] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: The WebUI is easy...
[11:33] <kaminix> Well. I'll solve it someway. Thanks. :)
[11:34] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: Maybe you can even use your router for torrenting. ;) If so, it can easily handle traffic shaping to, since it is most likely a linux box in that case
[11:35] <afaith> who is asking for help with traffic shaping ?
[11:35] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: kaminix is... BTW, Gizmo is installed by now
[11:37] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: i believe gizmo it's crap
[11:37] <afaith> 4 persons, same result
[11:37] <afaith> dialing twice
[11:37] <afaith> and then nothing
[11:37] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: I noticed an incredible slow download, so maybe their server can't handle it
[11:38] <afaith> MilhousePunkRock: i've downloaded it with almost 100KB/s
[11:38] <MilhousePunkRock> afaith: What's your info, I'll try it anyway...
[11:46] <maverick> hey, i instlled package from source..any ideas how to uninstall it?
[11:46] <MilhousePunkRock> maverick: make uninstall
[11:46] <maverick> thnx
[11:52] <harmental80> hey guys..is there any repo with the ess updated?? i can only find an old version in the math repos....
[11:59] <kaminix> If I run uid /dev/sdc, can I then use that UID in fstab? Will what I write in fstab take place on boot or when I plug the device in (have an usb-disk I want to always have mounted on /media/disk-1 due to symlinks)
[11:59] <afaith> kaminix: sorry, i've been away for a couple of minutes
[11:59] <afaith> kaminix: do you need traffic shaping for you (home user) or a network ?
[12:00] <trekdanne> 
[12:00] <JohnFlux> I can't reply to comments on digg :-)
[12:00] <Myelin> Hello, how do i install xmms player, apt-get install returns "could'nt find xmms"! Thanks.
[12:00] <JohnFlux> Not necessarily a bad thing, but uh..  konqueror doesn't seem to like it heh
[12:00] <JohnFlux> Myelin: apt-cache search xmms
[12:00] <JohnFlux> Myelin: or use the pretty gui :)
[12:00] <kaminix> afaith:  It's okay, I decided traffic shaping won't help me at all since i can't do it on my entire network.
[12:01] <JohnFlux> Myelin: hmm, xmms is there.  use the gui package manager to enable repositories
[12:01] <JohnFlux> !repos
[12:01] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:01] <JohnFlux> Myelin: ^^
[12:01] <kaminix> afaith: I'll see if my router can have max speeds set.
[12:01] <JohnFlux> Myelin: but amarok or juk is better :-)
[12:01] <JohnFlux> personally I like juk
[12:02] <afaith> kaminix: can you tell me more about your problem ? it's not the first time i've helped a person that had the same problem as you have
[12:02] <afaith> let's say that i earn a few bucks every month by setting up servers (firewalls, traffic shaping and other network related services)
Thanks, i am trying all your instructions right now. I am having problems with starting amarok, it does not start!
[12:03] <echo-MaTX> traffic shaping
[12:03] <kaminix> afaith: Not much more to say. When it uploads to fast the download crashes all together, timeouts and stuff.
[12:06] <biosword_> ciao a tutti
[12:06] <echo-MaTX> say... afaith do you know where can i get good HOTO or somethig about Traffic control, iptables?  for the newbie :-p of course
[12:07] <biosword_> it? please!
[12:07] <dylan_> hi
[12:07] <echo-MaTX> hi
[12:07] <afaith> echo-MaTX: let me do a little google job
[12:08] <afaith> kaminix: i believe trafic shaping it's what you need. but it also might be  another problem (hardware, isp, etc.)
[12:08] <echo-MaTX> ...
[12:08] <ubuntu__> h'
[12:08] <kaminix> afaith: But I can't shape my router :(
[12:08] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: did you ever set up ktorrent correctly? max number of connections and such?
[12:09] <OutsiderNZ> Hey, could anyone help me install g++?
[12:09] <ubuntu__> hi
[12:09] <OutsiderNZ> hello
[12:10] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:10] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: I set the max upload now. The other settings are pretty much trial and error though (mostly error).
[12:11] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: check the wiki of azureus, they have an extensive and comprehensive guide for all the parameters according to your line type
[12:11] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: Thanks. You mean the Good Settings page on their wiki? Seen it but haven't used it.
[12:12] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: you should, will cure most of your problems
[12:12] <OutsiderNZ> thank you Jussi01
[12:12] <kaminix> K, I'll look into it. :)
[12:13] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: :)
[12:14] <OutsiderNZ> jussi01, the shell seems to have a habbit of freezing when I type that in oO
[12:15] <OutsiderNZ> come up to input password, then freezes
[12:16] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: what happens when you put the passord in and press enter
[12:16] <jussi01> ?
[12:16] <OutsiderNZ> when i go to put in password, it just freezes up
[12:16] <OutsiderNZ> just the Konsole
[12:16] <OutsiderNZ> nothing else
[12:16] <OutsiderNZ> and I can quit out of it find
[12:16] <OutsiderNZ> fine*
[12:16] <jussi01> (it should type the password, you should just see the prompt, then enter will make it go again)
[12:17] <jussi01> so when typing the password it should be blank
[12:17] <OutsiderNZ> i see
[12:17] <OutsiderNZ> ok, just a sec
[12:18] <OutsiderNZ> thank you, working now :D
[12:18] <OutsiderNZ> how long does it take to get used to linux commands?
[12:18] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: hehe, that confuses a lot of people
[12:18] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: depends, but it shouldnt take long...
[12:19] <OutsiderNZ> ok, well, thank you for the help :D
[12:19] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: you could of course have done that in synaptic... but im lazy...
[12:19] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: no probs, btw where in NZ are you? (Im an aussie)
[12:19] <OutsiderNZ> synaptic?
[12:19] <OutsiderNZ> welly :D
[12:20] <echo-MaTX> synaptic manager
[12:20] <OutsiderNZ> i see
[12:20] <OutsiderNZ> Im in Welly Jussi
[12:20] <jussi01> cool
[12:20] <jussi01> !info synaptic
[12:20] <OutsiderNZ> where are you in aussie?
[12:20] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.57.11.1ubuntu14 (feisty), package size 1279 kB, installed size 5836 kB
[12:20] <echo-MaTX> packages manager ;-)
[12:21] <OutsiderNZ> ahh i see
[12:21] <OutsiderNZ> thanks ^^
[12:21] <jussi01> OutsiderNZ: I said I am an aussie, not in oz atm... in im finland :)
[12:21] <alexandros> OutsiderNZ: is NZ a good place to live in ?  :)
[12:21] <OutsiderNZ> cool
[12:21] <OutsiderNZ> of course its a great place :D
[12:22] <alexandros> OutsiderNZ: Ive heard it gots lots of green, clean air, clean water , its like a little paradise
[12:22] <OutsiderNZ> a bit of that, but when you get to auckland, blah
[12:22] <jussi01> lol
[12:22] <jussi01> ok, now back to support...
[12:23] <Myelin> Hello, <JohnFlux> thanks for the link about repositories, i enabled them and xmms now appears.
[12:23] <alexandros> :)
[12:23] <OutsiderNZ> ^^
[12:23] <echo-MaTX> finland.... mm... alway want to see helsinki
[12:23] <JohnFlux> Myelin: ah good :)
[12:23] <Myelin> Another question, i have installed nvidia settings, but how do i starts it?
[12:23] <Myelin> :)
[12:24] <JohnFlux> Myelin: alt+f2  then nvidia-settings
[12:24] <JohnFlux> Myelin: should be on the menu somewhere, but this way works too )
[12:24] <JohnFlux> :)
[12:24] <Myelin> Thanks.
[12:25] <Myelin> It worked.
[12:25] <JohnFlux> Myelin: check out the music player juk  btw
[12:26] <Myelin> Ok, i will.
[12:26] <ubuntu__> hello
[12:27] <echo-MaTX> Myelin: nvidia settings should be in the system tools menu list
[12:42] <alfatau> hello, do you know a working method to mount an ftp server as a local directory?
[12:48] <[ifr0g] > alfatau, google for LUFS ! :)
[12:49] <[ifr0g] > !lufs
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lufs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <afaith> kaminix: check this out : http://lartc.org/
[12:50] <afaith> !traffic shaping
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about traffic shaping - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <afaith> !htb
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about htb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <afaith> !kernel
[12:50] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:50] <chris_____> hey all
[12:50] <[ifr0g] > !tc
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <[ifr0g] > !ts
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <afaith> kaminix: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+bandwidth+shaping&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a this too
[12:51] <chris_____> I'm having trouble logging on as root in kubuntu - neither my admin password or no password works - is there a set password in kubuntu?
[12:51] <kaminix> afaith: I download it via bazaar?
[12:52] <afaith> kaminix: whats bazaar ?
[12:52] <kaminix> Like svn.
[12:53] <yamal> !root | chris_____
[12:53] <ubotu> chris_____: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[12:53] <afaith> kaminix: don't know, i've never used bazaar
[12:53] <afaith> !bazaar
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bazaar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <afaith> !svn
[12:54] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[12:54] <afaith> !cvs
[12:54] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[12:54] <chris_____> ubotu: ok how do you access sudo through the GUI?
[12:55] <kaminix> chris_____: kdusu
[12:55] <kaminix> chris_____: kdesu
[12:55] <chris_____> thanks yamal - any idea how I access sude via the gui?
[12:56] <chris_____> er, ok - where is kdesu?
[12:56] <yamal> !kdesu
[12:56] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:56] <yamal> alt + f2 or in a terminal
[12:57] <chris_____> ok cool - do you type just kdesu or kdesu Kate for example?
[12:57] <yamal> with the command so 'kdesu kate' or similar
[12:57] <chris_____> ok great thanks!
[12:58] <chris_____> cheers guys
[12:59] <fraction> whats the difference between "eth:0" and "eth0:avah" ? tyty :)
[01:02] <alexandros> um.... I "accidentaly" uninstalled update-notifier. now I installed it back but the update-notifier icon doesn't show on the bottom-right corner. any ideas?
[01:02] <yamal> fraction: eth0:something indicates an alias
[01:03] <yamal> so multiple addresses can live on a single interface etc
[01:03] <fraction> ok.. thanks.. probably something that "just" happened, trying to configure my wireless card but that seems impossible
[01:05] <fkm> For what do I need libpoppler1, libpoppler1-qt and poppler-utils?
[01:05] <yamal> !avahi
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <fkm> !poppler
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poppler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <fkm> !libpoppler
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libpoppler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <fkm> !libpoppler1
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libpoppler1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <fkm> :(
[01:06] <yamal> !info libpoppler1 | fkm
[01:06] <ubotu> fkm: libpoppler1: PDF rendering library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-0ubuntu8.1 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1532 kB
[01:06] <echo-MaTX> iptables
[01:06] <fkm> Ah, nice B) Thank you, yamal!
[01:06] <echo-MaTX> sry
[01:25] <mecannotread> guys  i cant play dvd on my kubuntu but i got all the codecs including libdvdcss2
[01:27] <tarek_> hi i have a 64 Bit laptop and i wanted to install a 32Bit software
[01:28] <tarek_> and i get the following answer:
[01:28] <tarek_> ./install: 13: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[01:37] <craig> hi all I'm wanting to setup a linux box as a media centre... am running kubuntu... any suggestions as to how I can set up a kick arse system
[01:41] <lopin> !sound
[01:41] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:41] <aguitel_> how to setup my adsl modem speedstream 4060 ?
[01:44] <tuxplorer> aguitel_: pppoe
[01:44] <tuxplorer> pppoeconf is there.. a commandline tool.. Just fill in a few things that it asks you, and it is configured
[01:47] <sw> hello
[01:47] <sw> i install kubuntu now i open the konsole and type "sudo apt-get update"
[01:47] <sw> to view the new packages
[01:47] <lopin> Um... I don't have any sound...
[01:47] <sw> but this is not work :S
[01:47] <r00t_> sudo apt-get install eagle-usb-utils
[01:47] <r00t_> startadsl
[01:48] <lopin> I'm not sure if linux may be compatible with my soundcard...
[01:48] <r00t_> adsl-setup
[01:49] <tuxplorer> sw: "This is not work" isnt the right way to complain.. Give us more information.. paste the output to a pastebina and give the link.. For "This is not work :S" no one would even bother to reply
[01:50] <sw> this is the output
[01:50] <sw> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy Release.gpg
[01:50] <sw>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:50] <sw> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Translation-en_US
[01:50] <sw>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect (113 No route to host)
[01:50] <sw> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Translation-en_US
[01:50] <sw>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:50] <sw> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release.gpg  Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:50] <sw> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect (113 No route to host)
[01:50] <sw> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:50] <sw> Reading package lists... Done
[01:50] <tuxplorer> sw: seems to be a problem with your resolving
[01:50] <sw> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:50] <Lynoure> sw: that's enough
[01:50] <tuxplorer> sw: i asked you to paste it to pastebin
[01:51] <tuxplorer> sw: whats the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf ?
[01:51] <tuxplorer> paste it in http://pastebin.ca and send the link only
[01:51] <r00t_> (H)
[01:52] <aguitel_> tuxplorer ,what is pppoe
[01:52] <MilhousePunkRock> !ops
[01:52] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[01:52] <r00t_> pppoe = point to point ethernet ....
[01:52] <tuxplorer> aguitel_: do you dial with some username and pass to connect? PPPoE - Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
[01:53] <sw> somebody can help me ?
[01:53] <Fraction> pppoe = dial up?
[01:53] <tuxplorer> sw: first do what you were asked to..
[01:53] <aguitel_> tuxplorer ,no
[01:53] <tuxplorer> give the output of "cat /et/resolv.conf"
[01:54] <aguitel_> tuxplorer,this speedstream modem is usb
[01:54] <tarek_> im experiencing a massive system lag
[01:54] <tarek_> can someone help me?
[01:54] <tuxplorer> aguitel_: may be your router has the ability to store the passwd and dial it automatically.. In that case you just need to configure your gateway to be your router's ip
[01:55] <tuxplorer> aguitel_: oh! you want help to get your USB modem configured? Is there any driver for linux shipped with your modem?
[01:55] <aguitel_> texplorer ,i dont have router
[01:56] <aguitel_> tuxplorer, my modem is not recognized for linux ubuntu
[01:57] <tuxplorer> aguitel_: is there some cd with your modem?
[01:57] <tuxplorer> aguitel_:  is there a linux driver in it?
[01:57] <aguitel_> texplorer, i hace the driver working in windows
[01:57] <aguitel_> texplorer ,in the cd is not linux driver
[01:58] <afaith> tuxplorer: what kind of modem do you have ?
[01:58] <tuxplorer> afaith: I use Huawei 1003A router.. y?
[01:58] <aguitel_> texplorer,where is list of modem working with linix?
[01:59] <tuxplorer> aguitel_:  http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/
[01:59] <tuxplorer> your modem is in the list
[01:59] <afaith> tuxplorer: it uses an USB port to connect to your pc ?
[01:59] <afaith> tuxplorer: maybe i've missed the entire conversation. whose the one that needs help ?
[01:59] <tuxplorer> afaith: I use eth and wifi only.. I do not have a problem.. its aguitel_ who has a problem
[01:59] <tuxplorer> afaith: :D
[02:00] <afaith> tuxplorer: my bad :P
[02:00] <afaith> aguitel_: what kind of modem do you have ?
[02:01] <aguitel_> afaith ,usb modem
[02:01] <afaith> aguitel_: would you be kind to tell me the name of the producer, the modem and other details ? i'm not a wizard to guess
[02:02] <aguitel_> afaith, the modem is speedstream 4060 usb
[02:03] <afaith> google rocks
[02:03] <afaith> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187964
[02:03] <tuxplorer> are you able to connect to http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ ?
[02:03] <afaith> www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids
[02:03] <afaith> aguitel_: have a look http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187964
[02:04] <aguitel_> ok i looking now
[02:04] <tuxplorer> afaith: what did you find in that ubuntu forums thread? no replies..
[02:06] <dablitz> good morning channel
[02:06] <dablitz> is there anyone awake
[02:06] <tuxplorer> dablitz: no. we are all sleeping
[02:06] <dablitz> hey tuxplorer
[02:07] <dablitz> was wondeing if you could help me out with a kernel panic
[02:07] <tuxplorer> well! Keep wondering.. do not ever state your problem
[02:08] <aguitel_> afaith, my modem is listed in :http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids ,what can i do now?
[02:10] <kazuma_> !pastebin
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <dablitz> can anyone tell me how to update my initrd.img after making a new kernel. went from stock 2.6.20-15-generic to 2.6.22.3. I was shown how before but cannot find where I wrote it down
[02:15] <tuxplorer> dablitz:  see if this helps http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-initrd.html
[02:17] <Man_U> hi
[02:17] <Man_U> fontforge needs some png jpg gif librarays, which shall i install with apt? libpng2 3 etc?
[02:18] <Man_U> which of those are the same as "libpng"?
[02:21] <harmental_> hey guys....i want to record my screen activity....do you know any cool tools for doing that?
[02:21] <grul> a camera :D
[02:21] <Man_U> some of you know which package in apt- is "libpng"?
[02:22] <harmental_> grul: funny ... ;D
[02:22] <tuxplorer> Man_U: mostly libpng12-0
[02:22] <grul> haha, sorry
[02:22] <tuxplorer> Man_U: coz, dev package is available only for that
[02:24] <tuxplorer> harmental_:  http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html
[02:25] <fkm> Hi there. Is there a way to open the home-directory as a new tab in an existing Konqueror - presuming that I already have the right settings in Konqueror?
[02:25] <fkm> I can do that with Alt+F2 and then type /home/fkm/
[02:26] <tuxplorer> fkm: file:///home/user/
[02:28] <harmental_> tuxplorer: thx....but i was hoping there exists a simpler way to do screen capturing......
[02:28] <fkm> Ok, I'm sorry, I have to rephrase that question
[02:28] <tuxplorer> How do I change the default browser for kopete? It always opens any link in konqueror, and there is no option in its settings.. In KDE Control Center, normally there 'll be a Choose Components in KDE Components tab.. But in Kubuntu's Kcontrol it is missing
[02:29] <fkm> I would like to make a button in the tasklist (kicker).
[02:29] <fkm> file:///home/fkm/, konqueror file:///home/fkm/ and kfmclient file:///home/fkm/ don't work. The button seems unclickable/inactive :(
[02:30] <Man_U> tuxplorer: it is the newest version, i cant import images in fotforge so they told to install newest version, what shall i do?
[02:31] <fkm> And what I've copied from the "Quick Launcher"'s Home-button doesn't work either (was my first try).
[02:35] <bitpull> hi @all, does anybody knows a tool, which I can use to download a complete IMAP-Mailbox including all Folders? It is just as Backup and it should be possible to open the Mail-File in lets say KMail and to sync them back to another Server. Is there any tool for this task?
[02:39] <chris_____> hey everyone - am having trouble with web serving on kubuntu - I've got apache, php and mysql set up and have installed everything needed including the website such that it works locally(on the machine that's hosting it) but I can't access it externally - how do you do this?
[02:47] <chris_____> anyone?
[02:47] <genii> dthacker-lt: :)
[02:48] <genii> chris_____: I just got here, what is your problem?
[02:48] <chris_____> hey everyone - am having trouble with web serving on kubuntu - I've got apache, php and mysql set up and have installed everything needed including the website such that it works locally(on the machine that's hosting it) but I can't access it externally - how do you do this?
[02:48] <chris_____> genii - replay of previous post:-)
[02:49] <genii> chris_____: np :) If you do not have a static IP number from your provider you will need to get some service like DynDNS then run a client on your computer like ex-ipupdate, as well as open the ports on your router to let web traffic into your box
[02:50] <genii> ez-ipupdate is the right name (typos, need more coffee yet)
[02:50] <chris_____> genii: ah - I will be getting a static IP - shouldn't it work over a local network though?
[02:51] <Madinko12> Hello !
[02:51] <genii> chris_____: Ah, when you said "externally" i took that to be from the internet :)
[02:51] <Myelin> Hello, how do i install nvclock? Its not in adept manager after updating the repositories!
[02:51] <genii> chris_____: Yes, over your lan it should be accessible, however apache may not have yet ben asigned an IP as well
[02:52] <genii> chris_____: It will usually fall back in this case to localhost, 127.0.0.1 etc
[02:52] <chris_____> genii: sorry! how do I assign an IP to apache?
[02:52] <genii> chris_____: 1 moment I'll get the exact file to edit and the entry
[02:52] <chris_____> yeah - trouble with that is that I already have a mac os x server on the circuit with localhost
[02:52] <bitpull> well, done it. The tool i used is called offlineimap. It is easy to use and does support more than just copying from one Imap-Server to another..
[02:52] <chris_____> ok cool thanks!
[02:53] <Madinko12> I have a problem with KDE ! The taskbar is not present !
[02:56] <genii> chris_____: you need to add lines into your /etc/apache2/ports.conf file like this: Listen ###.###.###.###:##       in dotted IP:port eg: Listen 192.168.1.100:80
[02:57] <genii> chris_____: With admin/sudo privelege of course
[02:57] <genii> (wen you chenge the file)
[02:58] <chris_____> ok have changed it - i presume apache needs to be restarted - can this be done without restarting the computer?
[02:59] <genii> chris_____: After the edit/save you need to restart, yes. do:  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:00] <chris_____> ok this isn't healthy:
[03:00] <chris_____>  * Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server...                                   apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
[03:00] <chris_____> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
[03:00] <chris_____> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[03:00] <chris_____> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[03:00] <chris_____> Unable to open logs
[03:00] <genii> chris_____: That means the edit did not take
[03:01] <chris_____> doh!
[03:01] <genii> chris_____: Or else the IP you put was not the IP the machine has
[03:01] <chris_____> it had Listen 80 in already - perhaps if I took that out?
[03:01] <genii> work AFK
[03:02] <chris_____> ok took that out and only gotapache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName this time...
[03:03] <chris_____> definately the same ip address as is in network settings under eth0 though...
[03:04] <genii> chris_____: Do: ifconfig then look at what IP the box has, maybe something like 192.168.0.50    then put into the /etc/apache2/ports.conf file: Listen 192.168.0.50:80   if that was for example the IP
[03:04] <genii> chris_____: Remembering to edit with admin/sudo privelege?
[03:06] <chris_____> yep - my ip is 192.168.1.14
[03:06] <chris_____> doesn't work though...
[03:06] <genii> chris_____: Hmm, that is normally the only change needed
[03:07] <genii> chris_____: You are using for the webserving apache2 and not apache1 yes?
[03:07] <chris_____> tried 192.168.1.14:80 in browser but access denied
[03:07] <chris_____> yep apache 2
[03:07] <chris_____> and yep sudo all the way:-)
[03:07] <genii> chris_____: Ok, so far so good then
[03:08] <genii> chris_____: Other than it is being stubborn ;)
[03:08] <chris_____> :-)
[03:08] <chris_____> never easy eh?
[03:08] <genii> chris_____: On the local box itself can you get to it by 127.0.0.1 in browser? (no need to put the :80, that is default http port)
[03:10] <chris_____> ur, nope
[03:11] <chris_____> wierd - that worked beofre
[03:11] <genii> chris_____: OK, restart by CLI again,eg:  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:12] <chris_____> done
[03:12] <genii> chris_____: If it says not running thats fine so long as it starts it after discovering no runing copy to halt etc
[03:12] <genii> chris_____: OK, first try local then remote
[03:12] <genii> work afk
[03:12] <chris_____> neither works..
[03:13] <chris_____> when i reloaded I got the errors:
[03:13] <chris_____> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
[03:13] <chris_____> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
[03:14] <genii> chris_____: pls issue:  ps ax|grep http   and tell me if it shows httpd (maybe 5 instances) running
[03:15] <genii> chris_____: Also are using inetd or not
[03:15] <chris_____>  5378 ?        S      0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-chris/klauncher3                                        SnV1a.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-chris/konquerorlnrgDb.slave-socket
[03:15] <chris_____>  5380 ?        S      0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-chris/klauncher3                                        SnV1a.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-chris/kdedOSA63b.slave-socket
[03:15] <chris_____>  5653 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep http
[03:16] <chris_____> .. is what I get
[03:16] <genii> Hmm Ok let me think a minute
[03:17] <chris_____> ok:-) brb --> peppermint tea
[03:18] <excitatory> so is there any advantage to using the fglrx driver over the ati driver for a radeon 9600?
[03:18] <genii> chris_____: Sorry should be apache2 in this not httpd LOL so:   ps ax|grep apache2   should show it if it is actually loading etc
[03:18] <bob__> where is jerry
[03:18] <genii> chris_____:  lines like:    /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
[03:18] <someguy> hey everyone happy friday
[03:19] <genii> Yup :) Payday today and weekend tomorrow
[03:19] <someguy> sweeeet!
[03:19] <someguy> i have a silly question
[03:20] <genii> chris_____: Please report result of command:  uname -a
[03:21] <someguy> i have klamav and i opened it and it shows up now 2x's in the KDE Panel
[03:21] <someguy> when I right click on it and go to exit it doesnt go away
[03:21] <chris_____> genii: Linux server 2.6.15-28-server #1 SMP Wed Jul 18 23:11:55 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:21] <someguy> only pkill gets rid of it
[03:21] <genii> chris_____: OK, you did not set some name for your server
[03:22] <genii> chris_____: Well, you called it "server" perhaps
[03:23] <chris_____> i did:-)
[03:23] <genii> chris_____:Let me know if: cat /etc/hostane says "server"
[03:23] <genii> hostname
[03:23] <genii> typos again :(
[03:23] <chris_____> yup:-)
[03:24] <genii> chris_____: OK, lemme think again :)
[03:24] <genii> chris_____: Are you starting internet services thru a superserver like inetd for instance, or running something like firestarter?
[03:25] <chris_____> a very good question!
[03:25] <chris_____> i think inetd sounds familiar
[03:25] <chris_____> but I couldn't tell you
[03:25] <chris_____> is there a wayof finding out?
[03:25] <genii> chris_____: Yes, do: ps ax|grep inetd
[03:26] <Man_U> i have troubles with 3d, where can i look to proof that 3d is available? i have nvidia 6600gt
[03:27] <chris_____> 5697 pts/2    R+     0:00 grep inetd
[03:27] <genii> chris_____: OK, not running. That is not the problem then
[03:27] <genii> work, AFK
[03:29] <chris_____> I've noticed something - when I type in the ip in a remote browser it comes up with an error including the port number 443 - any help?
[03:30] <hydrogen> what package  do I need to install to make imap+tls work with kmail?
[03:30] <hydrogen> its telling me "Starting tls failed"
[03:31] <bob__> weaddababyitsaboy
[03:32] <timgluz> try search with command apt-cache search tls
[03:33] <genii> chris_____: Please edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, go to bottom of file and add: servername <your-server-name-goes-here>     save, restart apache2 once more,retry browser
[03:33] <Firekill> i need help
[03:34] <genii> chris_____: In this case your servername is just    server
[03:34] <Firekill> when i can meet wine config??
[03:34] <kazuma_> hey genii how are you xD
[03:34] <kazuma_> thanks for the help the last time xD
[03:35] <genii> kazuma_: I just turned 40 :) you're welcome for the help, pass it along
[03:35] <genii> kazuma_: So I'm feeling like an old man today LOL to answer "how are you"
[03:35] <kazuma_> wow congrats!!!
[03:35] <kazuma_> hahaha :P
[03:36] <kazuma_> well i hope you can go 140 more :P
[03:36] <genii> chris_____: Any joy yet?
[03:36] <kazuma_> i'll be 20 on sunday haha :P
[03:37] <chris_____> genii: works on local computer..
[03:37] <chris_____> no joy on remote though:-(
[03:37] <genii> chris_____: What message if any from remote?
[03:37] <genii> (in browser)
[03:37] <chris_____> currently just loading
[03:38] <chris_____> msy still work, but I'm expecting timeout
[03:38] <pag> genii, thanks. and hello :)
[03:38] <genii> chris_____: OK if port 443 again let me know
[03:38] <chris_____> will do - bear with me!
[03:38] <genii> pag:  :)
[03:38] <genii> bah, work again. AFK
[03:39] <mikl_> mikl__: impostor :P
[03:40] <mikl__> dsl premire connection de ma vie sur irc
[03:40] <mikl__> alors tout en auto :)
[03:40] <chris_____> aahh!
[03:41] <mikl_> mikl__: Well, I am not that good at french, but welcome anyways :)
[03:41] <mikl__> c'est un channel franais ?
[03:41] <mikl__> ok
[03:41] <mikl__> sorry
[03:41] <chris_____> that;s really really wierd
[03:41] <chris_____> problem solved!
[03:41] <chris_____> but for some reason firefox in my remote computer won't have it
[03:41] <mikl__> thx, just said that it was my first connection in my life
[03:42] <pag> !fr | mikl__
[03:42] <ubotu> mikl__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:42] <chris_____> possibly because it's set up with proxies
[03:42] <chris_____> genii: thanks genii! You're a great help!
[03:42] <mikl__> irc seems awesome while strange at first
[03:43] <mikl__> ok, i'll try french one
[03:43] <mikl__> my poor english won't be enough here I think
[03:43] <rogue_x> Hello
[03:44] <robotgeek> !fr
[03:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:44] <SlimeyPe1e> hi
[03:44] <mikl__> I saw that
[03:44] <mikl_> mikl__: I understood as much - I didn't the next part :)
[03:44] <mikl__> which one ?
[03:44] <rogue_x> Can someone help me with Ubuntu Restricted drivers
[03:45] <mikl_> mikl__: "alors tout en auto :)"
[03:45] <mikl_> you did it yourself...?
[03:45] <rogue_x> Can someone help me with Ubuntu Restricted drivers?
[03:46] <mikl__> ok, that meens that i lauched the Konversation software, with all default parameter.. just reply ok when when asked
[03:46] <mikl__> then I arrived here
[03:46] <mikl__> with mikl : impostor :):):):)
[03:46] <chris_____> cheers again genii - bye!
[03:46] <pag> rogue_x, please, be more specific...
[03:46] <mikl_> mikl__: yes, that is the default setup - take it your login name is the same as mine :)
[03:46] <mikl__> :)
[03:46] <mikl__> ok
[03:47] <mikl__> this is when i fall into the english channel... (with a french distro huh !) some parameters need to be adjusted.
[03:47] <rogue_x> pag: I installed the package but there is no entry in the Menu to run it
[03:48] <mikl_> mikl__: French distro?
[03:48] <pag> rogue_x, press alt+f2 and type: kdesu restricted-manager
[03:48] <mikl__> yep, language pack fr.
[03:49] <mikl__> locales, kde, mozilla and so on
[03:49] <mikl__> nevermind
[03:49] <mikl_> ah, well - I thought that there was a french version. Suffice to say that the language pack does not extend to application configuration :)
[03:49] <rogue_x> pa
[03:50] <SoulChild> Hello I want to load my asus module to use hotkey, but i get:  "FATAL: Error inserting asus_laptop (/lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/kernel/drivers/misc/asus-laptop.ko): No such device"
[03:50] <rogue_x> pag: It only shows Nvidia driver... what about drivers to watch DVD's or other stuff?
[03:50] <genii> back
[03:50] <mikl__> but for some configuration, it does...
[03:51] <pag> rogue_x, those are not drivers, but codecs...
[03:51] <pag> !dvd | rogue_x
[03:51] <ubotu> rogue_x: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:51] <mikl__> thx for your welcome, i'll peek at french channel.
[03:51] <pag> !mp3 | rogue_x
[03:51] <ubotu> rogue_x: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:51] <genii> chris_____: Can those machines ping each other? It may be some other issue, like gateway is not working etc and not related to apache ata ll
[03:52] <genii> chris_____: if you are still here :)
[03:52] <rogue_x> pag: ok  so I selected Nvidia.. the box shows enabled but says not in use
[03:52] <chris_____> genii: yep they could ping all along
[03:52] <chris_____> and they're working fine now!
[03:53] <pag> rogue_x, I'm not familiar with the programm, sorry.
[03:53] <rogue_x> p
[03:53] <chris_____> apart from mozilla, but I'm not that bothered about that at the mo
[03:53] <rogue_x> pag: ok thanks anyway
[03:53] <chris_____> genii: good work!
[03:53] <genii> chris_____: You're welcome, pass it along :)
[03:54] <chris_____> genii: will do, many many thanks:-)
[03:54] <chris_____> genii: catch you later!
[03:54] <mrksbrd> has anyone found any good software for an ipod???
[03:55] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: does itunes work through wine?
[03:55] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: or are you talking aout a podcatcher
[03:56] <mrksbrd> software to load songs onto ipod
[03:56] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: oh, does itunes work over wine
[03:56] <timgluz> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
[03:56] <dthacker-lt> gtkpod
[03:57] <mrksbrd> only thing i have found were prog that you had to format fat 32 to linux
[03:57] <timgluz> yes also gtkpod
[03:57] <dthacker-lt> as long as you are not using DRM'ed itune files
[03:58] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[03:58] <mrksbrd> ty
[03:59] <dthacker-lt> np.:)
[03:59] <dthacker-lt> any Kplato users in da house?
[04:00] <dthacker-lt> crickets.......
[04:01] <dthacker-lt> never mind.
[04:01] <aaron> Hi. I've been using gnome/beryl for a long time. is compiz fusion what i should be using with kde/xfce?
[04:02] <someguy> dthacker - not kplato
[04:02] <mikl_> aaron: yes, if you want
[04:02] <mrksbrd> what about a good backup client to create an entire image of your hdd, and have the ability to re-run an install from this backup??
[04:02] <aaron> mrksbrd: acronis
[04:02] <someguy> ganttproject, project open, phprojekt
[04:03] <dthacker-lt> someguy: taskjuggler?
[04:03] <someguy> nahhh
[04:03] <someguy> you?
[04:03] <mikl_> aaron: Compiz Fusion is rather platform-independent, although it's configuration utility is made with GTK+2
[04:03] <aaron> which is better to use with an ATI x1300
[04:03] <dthacker-lt> someguy: I'm in the experimentation phase.  I tried TJ and kplato yesterday.
[04:03] <genii> mrksbrd: Where will you be making the backups to?
[04:04] <someguy> dthacker you looking for a team or just you?
[04:04] <dthacker-lt> just me, mostly.
[04:04] <mrksbrd> cd or dvd
[04:04] <someguy> ok
[04:04] <mikl_> aaron: since Beryl is now Compiz Fusion, I'd go for it :)
[04:04] <dthacker-lt> are you finding ganttproject pretty usable?
[04:05] <genii> mrksbrd: Ah, OK. If a second hd I would have said to just use dd to make an image
[04:05] <mrksbrd> my intention is if something goes haywire i won't loose everything i have installed
[04:05] <aaron> Grrr. where's a howto? i just noticed that the section is empty at kubuntuguide.org
[04:05] <someguy> dthacker -- this project looks very promising
[04:05] <someguy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/opproject/
[04:06] <someguy> dthacker - yes its super easy
[04:06] <Madinko12> Hello everyone !
[04:06] <someguy> dthacker - but its too limited in functionality for REAL project management
[04:06] <alexandros> hey guys!
[04:06] <someguy> hey alex
[04:06] <alexandros> anybody knows how do I run adept-update ?
[04:06] <tuxplorer> kde
[04:06] <someguy> sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <alexandros> no I mean the GUI notification icon
[04:07] <dthacker-lt> someguy: "I'm not a real project manager, I just play one in my cube" :)
[04:07] <Madinko12> Kde don't show the taskbar! And "kicker" don't works. Can you help me ?
[04:07] <mrksbrd> sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:07] <kazuma_> happy birthday to genii xD
[04:07] <kazuma_> let's drink beer till we die xD
[04:08] <alexandros> mrksbrd: I'd like to have the little notifier icon on the bottom right. is that possible? I accidentaly uninstalled it
[04:08] <someguy> dthacker - LOL!  I really think project open, dotproject and phprojekt are the best. but http://sourceforge.net/projects/opproject/ looks very promising
[04:08] <alexandros> what r u guys talking about?
[04:08] <alexandros> if I may ask? :D
[04:08] <kazuma_> genii's birthday xD
[04:08] <someguy> dthacker -  I am a sysadmin/network/security admin and project manager
[04:08] <someguy> sorry project management
[04:09] <someguy> alex - silly crap... lol
[04:09] <alexandros> nice:)
[04:09] <dthacker-lt> someguy: Hey, i have some of those same hats!
[04:09] <someguy> or i should say boring crap
[04:09] <alexandros> someguy: you are a project manager?
[04:09] <someguy> dthacker - sweet
[04:10] <Madinko12> help me please :(
[04:10] <Madinko12> Kde don't show the taskbar! And "kicker" don't works.
[04:10] <someguy> alex - sometimes i do that but I have been in IT for 15 years
[04:10] <dthacker-lt> ok, I'll look at dotproject and phpprojekt.  thanks for the tips
[04:10] <mrksbrd> sudo apt-get install adept
[04:10] <alexandros> thats great man
[04:11] <alexandros> thanks mrksbrd :)
[04:11] <alexandros> someguy: in which country are you?
[04:11] <mrksbrd> yw
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> ok, this may not be the right channel for this, but here goes anyway. A friend of mine's XP box is virused, i think with some kind of rootkit, is it possible to use a live-cd to clean it out?
[04:11] <someguy> dthacker - you can check em out in Virtual environments and then demo em.  Project Open has a vm
[04:11] <dthacker-lt> someguy: cool
[04:12] <someguy> hitmanwilly - not 100%.  make sure you have a backup of critical data and then rebuild but this time rebuild with Kubuntu linux
[04:12] <someguy> alex - US
[04:12] <dthacker-lt> yeah hitmanWilly, don't make them use Gentoo :)
[04:12] <alexandros> would u prefer Project Open or OnePoint ?
[04:13] <slawekk> hi
[04:13] <alexandros> I am fro mGreece
[04:13] <slawekk> how to connect phone
[04:13] <someguy> hitmanwilly - some malware is not easily removed and will remain post "removal" with AV tools
[04:13] <slawekk> motorola v 547
[04:13] <slawekk> to xubu 7.04?
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> someguy: (: don't think she'd like that too much. altho, getting her to come over to the light side will not be easy
[04:13] <slawekk> or pliz redirect to channel where can i meet some wise people
[04:13] <jthomas> hitmanWilly: look into Trinity Rescue CD, its a bootable linux with a bunch of AV tools etc
[04:14] <slawekk> but not "hackers" or something like that
[04:14] <someguy> alex - dotproject, phprojekt, project open or onepoint
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> jthomas: thanks, that's the answer i was looking for, just couldn't remember the name :)
[04:14] <genii> kazuma_: Since i'm at work, I am on coffee. after work some beer perhaps LOL
[04:14] <someguy> all fit different needs some are easier to install and manage etc etc
[04:14] <someguy> slawekk - not here we are all idiots. lol
[04:14] <kazuma_> hahaha that's the way things shall be done my friend :P
[04:15] <slawekk> so where can i find guide
[04:15] <slawekk> to connect my moto v 547
[04:15] <alexandros> nice :D I'll check 'em out. thanks. maybe I'll need them for my next project
[04:15] <jthomas> hitmanWilly: once cleaned-ish, run Spybot (update, immunize, clean) and AdAware, and maybe HiJackThis... all free progs that are really nice at cleaning... but with a rootkit you may be hosed already, beyond hope.
[04:15] <slawekk> ?
[04:15] <slawekk> ?
[04:15] <someguy> hitmanwilly - you will have varied results as not all scanners can even detect all forms of malware. its best to backup and rebuild.
[04:15] <genii> mrksbrd: I normally use dd to make an image on a second hd (like an external usb) then just restore from livecd by reversing process. But you may find something useful here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> jthomas: i was afraid of that, but I at least gotta give it a shot...thanx.
[04:16] <someguy> hitmanwilly - then use the concept of least privledge and give her a regular non-admin user
[04:16] <dthacker-lt> ++ someguy
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> someguy: definately
[04:16] <slawekk> s.h.i.t
[04:16] <slawekk> nobody want to help
[04:16] <slawekk> :P
[04:16] <someguy> hitmanwilly - or you can dual boot the box so she eases into it
[04:17] <genii> hitmanWilly: You have some user needs to run some sudo things but you don't want them full access?
[04:17] <dthacker-lt> !language | slawekk
[04:17] <ubotu> slawekk: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:17] <jthomas> someguy: that doesn't work too well in a home environment, when there is no administrator... hitmanWilly i'd just give a full account.  windows people don't understand privledges and without a kdesu box or something, it makes it a hassle to ever install anything...
[04:17] <mrksbrd> genii.....ty
[04:17] <jthomas> but maybe thats just me, knowing full well that windows users don't get much...
[04:18] <timgluz> slawekk , how do you want connect via cable or bluetooth?
[04:18] <someguy> jthomas - yes. basic computer user training is required but once they get it the world is a better place. I train in info sec
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> jthomas: yeah, im pretty sure im gonna have to completely rebuild her install for her anyway, so might as well be nix, heh...
[04:18] <someguy> lol
[04:18] <slawekk> timgluz: wait I WILL CHECK
[04:18] <jthomas> indeed, make it nix!
[04:18] <someguy> most computer users have no clue its not just windows but mac users as well
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> someguy: yeah, definately (coming from a gentoo user)
[04:19] <genii> hitmanWilly: There are some simple things you can add to /etc/sudoers to limit what certain users can run. disabling specific commands like doing sudo su or sudo passwd for instance
[04:19] <jthomas> someguy: its not that i disagee, but for home use there is generally very little info sec.  its too much work to log out of a windows box just to add in AppXYZ as Admin, and then log out and in again... IMHO...
[04:20] <genii> hitmanWilly: But still allowing them to change their own passwd etc
[04:20] <someguy> hitmanwilly - why not go Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  Gentoo is sweet but all that compiling
[04:20] <jthomas> someguy: yes most computer users in general don't really know.  its like having a car without training classes.
[04:21] <someguy> jthomas - yeah i never said it would make it easier .. just more secure.  Remember I can't give my mom and grandmom OpenBSD
[04:21] <jthomas> hitmanWilly: why oh why would you suggest Gentoo?
[04:21] <jthomas> lol
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> someguy: i like it for me, but I wouldn't throw a newbie into it
[04:21] <jthomas> exactly
[04:21] <genii> For average person kubuntu is least anxiety causing when coming from windoze
[04:21] <someguy> hitmanwilly - its too annoying for a regular user they need a binary distro that actually works out of the box like umm... Kubuntu for ex.
[04:21] <slawekk> TIMGLUZ:
[04:21] <slawekk> via bluetooth
[04:22] <someguy> genii - absolutely!
[04:22] <frauchig> (K)Ubuntu is fine, unfortunately there are some broken things like the manual partitioning tool
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> someguy: i agree kubu is nice for a newbie user, i actually still use it on my laptop just cause its less hassle to set up
[04:23] <genii> frauchig: But how often does Jane doe need to use that?
[04:23] <someguy> hitmanwilly - its no more a newbie distro than any other its just more usable and FOSS dev's have not been good about understanding usablity
[04:23] <alyssa_> good morning kubuntu people
[04:23] <kazuma_> genii what do you think from fedora core 7
[04:24] <frauchig> at least once, and then jane wont be able to setup Ubuntu w/o knowing much about other tools
[04:24] <genii> kazuma_: Fedora i dunno... i stopped using redhat/mandrake type dists somewhere about 2001
[04:24] <someguy> I gave my friends kubuntu CD and said install this and they LOVE it and they are not even expert users
[04:24] <someguy> Fedora sux
[04:24] <someguy> lmao
[04:24] <Eeyore-Jr> !build
[04:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:24] <kazuma_> and what is the difference my friend?
[04:25] <kazuma_> with these distros?
[04:25] <ScarFreewill> I stoped using fedora at c3 (first one i tried)
[04:25] <someguy> If you want bleeeding edge with a lame 6mth release for all alpha code go fedora
[04:25] <alyssa_> fedora is redhat flavored
[04:25] <slawekk> http://www.motorola.com/consumer/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=022ce983ab30c010VgnVCM1000008206b00aRCRD&show=productHome
[04:25] <slawekk> guys!!!
[04:25] <slawekk> help
[04:25] <alyssa_> tastes like poo
[04:25] <someguy> fedora is crap flavored
[04:25] <someguy> lol
[04:25] <slawekk> how to connect to be usuful
[04:25] <ScarFreewill> kazuma_: the pakage management for one..
[04:25] <alyssa_> here here someguy!
[04:25] <someguy> just kidding
[04:26] <someguy> come on man.. i can't even joke
[04:26] <ScarFreewill> kazuma_: how updated your software is...
[04:26] <alyssa_> I was agreeing with you\
[04:26] <genii> kazuma_: LOL you are getting some answers to your question now :)
[04:26] <someguy> lol!
[04:26] <someguy> =P
[04:26] <alyssa_> ease of installation
[04:26] <kazuma_> hahaha
[04:26] <kazuma_> xD
[04:26] <kazuma_> i used to have fedora core 6
[04:27] <alyssa_> lamp server up in 25 minutes or so
[04:27] <someguy> i am sorry to hear that
[04:27] <alyssa_> my condolences kazuma
[04:27] <kazuma_> and it's quite nice, but i felt it difficult with networking :S and it is supposed to be other way
[04:27] <kazuma_> lamp? what is that =o
[04:27] <genii> The only rpm based dist I use now is Centos and thats only because Asterisk@home uses it for base system
[04:27] <someguy> if you want to play with REL then get CENTOS. Fedora is not anything other than unstable alpha
[04:27] <alyssa_> linux apache mysql php server
[04:28] <genii> kazuma_: Linux apache MySQL PHP
[04:28] <ScarFreewill> anyone know any cool tools for routing / networking?
[04:28] <kazuma_> =o
[04:28] <someguy> genni - i hear you there.
[04:28] <genii> alyssa_: Heh :)
[04:28] <alyssa_> its da nuts
[04:28] <slawekk> jesus what a pity
[04:28] <slawekk> what sort of mankind
[04:28] <slawekk> nobody want to help
[04:28] <alyssa_> womankind thank you
[04:28] <someguy> scarfreewill - for what? what are you trying to do?
[04:29] <slawekk> mean nobody have nothing to say
[04:29] <kazuma_> what is your problem O.o
[04:29] <someguy> scarfreewill - building a router? firewall?
[04:29] <slawekk> please grt some refreshements
[04:29] <slawekk> kurwa mac
[04:29] <kazuma_> slawekk?
[04:29] <genii> slawekk: Please state exactly your problem so that someone may know how to asist
[04:29] <ScarFreewill> someguy: I'm just wondering I got routeros on my rb and i was wondering if i could do that stuff in linux
[04:29] <slawekk> want to connect my motorola v 547 to xubuntu 7.04
[04:29] <ScarFreewill> well i think ros is based on linux?
[04:29] <alyssa_> hehe I linuxed my router
[04:30] <someguy> Scarfreewill - check out vyatta
[04:30] <slawekk> here u are the link to it
[04:30] <slawekk> http://www.motorola.com/consumer/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=022ce983ab30c010VgnVCM1000008206b00aRCRD&show=productHome
[04:30] <slawekk> cellphone by bluetooth
[04:30] <alyssa_> what exactly you wanna do with it when you connect it I have a v555
[04:30] <slawekk> i know there are some problems
[04:30] <slawekk> alyssa: there is no problem to connect?
[04:31] <alyssa_> nopers just connect it right up
[04:31] <slawekk> to copy some files through it like rrings
[04:31] <genii> slawekk: My Polish understanding is nonexistent. do you have an english page of the features?
[04:31] <someguy> Scarfreewill - source forge has like a million projects in the routing space.  Do you want a distro with a nice GUI or do you just want the raw daemons?
[04:31] <alyssa_> modmymoto.com
[04:31] <slawekk> does moto need some extra stuff to be used with it?
[04:31] <genii> slawekk: Yes, you can use Kbluetooth to move files back and forth. i do this with my Nokia
[04:31] <slawekk> ok. thanks
[04:31] <alyssa_> has a pretty fair explaination
[04:32] <slawekk> :)
[04:32] <someguy> scarfreewill - vyatta is a very nice project and could eventually kick Cisco's axx
[04:32] <MilhousePunkRock> also there is kmobiletools
[04:32] <ScarFreewill> someguy: which ever is the best eg. wget owns any gui downloader
[04:32] <genii> I wish there was a Nokia PC Suite for Linux
[04:33] <alyssa_> isnt there gnoki?
[04:33] <genii> alyssa_: OK, to be more exact, for KDE
[04:33] <someguy> scarfree - there is a VM of vyata you can check out http://www.vyatta.com/
[04:33] <alyssa_> thbbb
[04:33] <someguy> when did this become #advanced networking. lol
[04:34] <ScarFreewill> I just don't see wireshark hitting cli soon... I don't min using cli... its all the same for me
[04:34] <someguy> jk
[04:35] <someguy> k/x/ubuntu needs more games in the repos
[04:35] <alyssa_> then write some
[04:35] <ScarFreewill> hehe
[04:35] <someguy> lol
[04:35] <someguy> ok
[04:36] <genii> alyssa_: I'm working on it actually :)
[04:36] <ScarFreewill> genii: what lang?
[04:36] <someguy> but they will be a 1x1 pixel dot that bounces around the screen
[04:36] <genii> ScarFreewill: C
[04:36] <alyssa_> parents just got a "VISTA IS BEING SHUT DOWN TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO THE MACHINE"
[04:36] <alyssa_> ROFL
[04:36] <someguy> alyssa - well shut it down and boot up into Kubuntu cd and say fdisk and then never look back
[04:36] <genii> alyssa_: I think it should do that when you try to install it, not after
[04:36] <ScarFreewill> lmao
[04:37] <someguy> vista is a piece of crap.  It has worse device support than the openbsd project
[04:37] <someguy> they suk
[04:37] <genii> I agree
[04:38] <someguy> worked at a company in the joint dev program with MS and its sukd since alpha and I do stil think its in alpha
[04:38] <someguy> genii - i do have a dual boot box though for high end games but I dont ever use it otherwise
[04:39] <someguy> there is no QA team at MS its just all of us the annoyed users
[04:39] <someguy> lol
[04:40] <someguy> sorry I had to get out some of my frustration at the "man". I have vented and now will not be annoying
[04:41] <genii> someguy: I have a box which i multi-boot to various OS but hardly ever use the windoze side anymore. I last booted it maybe 8 months or more ago
[04:41] <someguy> lol
[04:41] <someguy> genii - yeah, FOSS is so much better except on the Video, Audio and Video gaming side
[04:42] <ScarFreewill> same here last boot to windows was 17 feb 07
[04:42] <alyssa_> Microsoft's userbase is the beta team
[04:42] <trekdann1> audio?
[04:42] <trekdann1> hmm itunes yea that's right
[04:42] <ScarFreewill> I've got virtualbox though but I only use it to test apps.
[04:43] <someguy> on the application side of things there need to be more quality, usable applications and hopefully Canonical will help drive that
[04:43] <someguy> right on my friends
[04:43] <ninHer> hi all
[04:43] <someguy> itunes would be great but apple still can bite me.  DRM = um NO thanks!
[04:44] <someguy> agnostic-theist - you are such an dichotomous enigma
[04:45] <ScarFreewill> drm... lets just leave that alone..
[04:45] <someguy> lol
[04:45] <someguy> yes
[04:45] <someguy> literally
[04:45] <trekdann1> hmm DRM is really impossible without TC and Linus himself said it would be possible that the kernel would support TPC
[04:46] <alyssa_> I'm a dyslexic agnostic insomniac
[04:46] <alyssa_> I stay up all night wondering if there really is a dog
[04:46] <someguy> lmao!
[04:46] <MilhousePunkRock> How would you partition a disk that holds two partitions owned by windows already in order to make a proper kubuntu install?
[04:46] <someguy> there is no comedy allowed in this channel!  No laughing allowed.  LOL
[04:47] <alexandros1> MilhousePunkRock: is there any unallocated disk space?
[04:47] <alyssa_> drm is eeeevil
[04:47] <alyssa_> the work of satan I tell you
[04:48] <someguy> milhouse -  http://www.howtoforge.com/dual_boot_windows_xp_vista_ubuntu_feisty
[04:48] <ScarFreewill> alyssa_: you hit the hammer right on the nail!
[04:48] <alyssa_> thank you
[04:48] <martijn81> MilhousePunkRock: make three additional partitions, one root, one /home and one swap
[04:48] <MilhousePunkRock> alexandros1: Yes, that and defragging is taken care of already. I was thinking abou the classic threesome /root, /home /swap
[04:48] <someguy> milhouse - make sure you have a backup before you start.  =)
[04:49] <MilhousePunkRock> martijn81: The caveat is the choice between logical and primary
[04:49] <alyssa_> be primary luke, be primary
[04:49] <someguy> lol
[04:49] <martijn81> MilhousePunkRock: you're limited to 4 primary partitions (on 32bit i suppose?)
[04:49] <alyssa_> use the acpi=force luke
[04:50] <MilhousePunkRock> martijn81: Exactly... So which of the three should be the primary?
[04:50] <someguy> drm just might be the devil - we have not seen how far the concept will be expanded.  So remember that.. think 10 years from now
[04:50] <someguy> milhouse - did you see my post? http://www.howtoforge.com/dual_boot_windows_xp_vista_ubuntu_feisty
[04:52] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy: No, thanks, I check it out
[04:52] <someguy> cool
[04:52] <martijn81> MilhousePunkRock: does not mather i think
[04:52] <Tabmows> is the default adept lists for installing software etc. sufficient? Because i can't see mysql server in there
[04:53] <someguy> tabmows - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:54] <someguy> milhouse - that site is awesome.  howtoforge.net
[04:54] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy: Your guide does not fit my needs... Winblows is already installed, and there is another partition also...
[04:55] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy: Try milhouse<tabkey>, that way it will get highlighted for me...
[04:55] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy: I think I came across that site a few times already while looking up stuff
[04:56] <alexandros1> MilhousePunkRock: why kubuntu's automatic partitioning wont work for you?
[04:56] <MilhousePunkRock> alexandros1: It's not for me, but for a friend anyway. I would not trust automatic partitioning either, when there is vital stuff on the harddrive
[04:57] <mikearthur> how can I stop /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py starting on KDE startup? using kpowersave
[04:57] <someguy> MilhousePunkRock, http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/05/08/dual-boot-laptop.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Creating+a+Dual-Boot+Windows+XP+and+Ubuntu+Laptop
[04:57] <alexandros1> MilhousePunkRock: fair enough. it worked for me fine though
[04:58] <kaminix> If I add the UID for my USB-drive and set where it should be mounted, will it then be mounted there everytime I turn it on or just when I start my computer?
[04:58] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: You are looking for automounting via hal and udev
[04:59] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: Okay? And how is that done?
[04:59] <someguy> MilhousePunkRock, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING!!!
[05:00] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy: The setup is already done, in less than an hour, including manual partitioning...
[05:04] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: How do I use udev and hal to get the effect I wish for? I didn't even know HAL was customizable :s
[05:04] <bombolo7> ciao
[05:05] <juraj> hi all
[05:05] <someguy> ciao right back at you!
[05:05] <juraj> does anybody have experience setting up ISDN?
[05:05] <someguy> hey juraj
[05:06] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: I think HAL is not customizable, but you need that for automounting
[05:06] <someguy> !isdn
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isdn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <kaminix> And how do  I make it always set the same place to mount?
[05:07] <someguy> juraj, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IsdnHowto/Breezy
[05:07] <zipper> kaminix, /etc/fstab
[05:07] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: I mean, in fstab the CD drives mounting place is specified, shouldn't it work the same way with a HDD?
[05:07] <zipper> kaminix, you can use different tools to edit it
[05:07] <juraj> I think these instructions are outdated
[05:07] <juraj> and they were unfinished, too.
[05:08] <zipper> kaminix, yes. Yes it does. Ofcourse you need to change the flags, but its pretty much the same yes
[05:08] <kaminix> zipper: Will it mount right everytime I turn the drive on or just when I start my laptop?
[05:08] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: does KDE not handle it?
[05:08] <someguy> juraj - I know but did you check the forums?
[05:08] <zipper> kaminix, depends on what you've set it to do
[05:08] <juraj> I have this "Connect to ppp0 via Modem" in my network manager
[05:08] <juraj> but it seems to do nothing
[05:09] <juraj> I have a passive ISDN card.
[05:09] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: No, it sets different dirs depending on what other USB drives I have connected.
[05:09] <kaminix> zipper: How do I set it to put it un one place each time I mount it?
[05:09] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: That's where udev kicks in...
[05:09] <someguy> juraj - ubuntu/kubuntu forums.
[05:09] <juraj> I wish ubuntu had yast, I only had to make a few clicks to set up the connections :)
[05:10] <juraj> yes, I checked the forums, no response yet
[05:10] <kaminix> MilhousePunkRock: You mean the UUID things?
[05:10] <box> quit
[05:10] <box> \quit
[05:10] <juraj> it's been a couple of days since I posted
[05:10] <Lynoure> box: the other slash :)
[05:10] <MilhousePunkRock> kaminix: No, udev rules based on info that does not change, among them the UID...
[05:11] <someguy> juraj,  try the mailing list and google
[05:11] <kaminix> How do I use it?
[05:11] <juraj> tried googling, I haven't found anything useful
[05:12] <juraj> and I don't want to compile all these modules as I already have them installed in the kernel
[05:17] <BFC> hi. i just installed xgl. I think everything went fine. How do i know if xgl is running?
[05:19] <juraj> you need XGL for compiz, right?
[05:19] <BFC> juraj; yeah
[05:19] <tobias_> juraj: definitly
[05:19] <SlimeyPe1e> or aiglx...
[05:19] <tobias_> ATI cards only work with xgl
[05:19] <tobias_> BFC:
[05:20] <tobias_> BFC: you need to choose xgl session when you login
[05:20] <BFC> tobias: where exactly do I do that from? I checked the kde login menu. there was no such option
[05:21] <tobias_> hehe yeh well it is hidde n;)
[05:21] <tobias_> BFC: on the left side from your textboxes there is a picture that looks like a dropdown menu
[05:21] <tobias_> klick on it -> session type -> xgl
[05:22] <BFC> tobias: I checked that. but here didn't seem to be the option
[05:22] <tobias_> then you didnt install xgl yet ?
[05:22] <tobias_> if you cant chose xgl there must be something wrong/missing
[05:23] <tobias_> did you create a " startxgl.sh " ?
[05:23] <SlimeyPe1e> probably a missing xsession file or something?
[05:23] <thehcdreamer> hello, how can I test my microphone? There's a program where i can do that?
[05:24] <SlimeyPe1e> grab jokosher or audacity and use them to record from it?
[05:24] <tobias_> thehcdreamer: just go into your sound-manager and enable the option that you hear your own input
[05:24] <tobias_> then activate microphone -> if you hear yourself it works :)
[05:24] <BFC> tobias: oh crap. i forgot to do that. I will try out and see what happens. thanks
[05:24] <tobias_> BFC: no problem =)
[05:24] <tobias_> BFC: good luck
[05:25] <someguy> jokosher - pffhhtt lol who are you Jono. lol
[05:25] <BFC> tobias: actually I adjusted my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file
[05:25] <BFC> tobias: shouldn't that achieve the same thing?
[05:25] <SlimeyPe1e> someguy: nah... I don't have the beard
[05:26] <tobias_> BFC: eumm... actually I dont know~ I would just try doing the startxgl.sh thing and see if it works
[05:26] <someguy> lol or the personality lol
[05:26] <BFC> ok will do
[05:28] <dsl__> hi guys -new to this and just experimenting - want to c what this does
[05:30] <dsl__> re -the microphone check -if you can be bothered download skype and do a test call
[05:31] <yeniklasorr> Will dolphin be default file manager on KDE 4 ?
[05:31] <tom_> apparently
[05:31] <yeniklasorr> Kubuntu 7.10 will be released based KDE 4 ?
[05:32] <tom_> i think so
[05:32] <yeniklasorr> yep great
[05:35] <someguy> ok gotta run. everyone have a great day
[05:35] <tobias_> byebye someguy
[05:36] <egon> i have some problems with wine ... can someone give a german channel 4 it?
[05:36] <tobias_> tried kubuntu-de yet ?
[05:36] <tobias_> maybe they can help you with that
[05:36] <egon> ok i try thx
[05:38] <egon> can you gibt me the channel as a link?
[05:39] <tobias_> #kubuntu-de
[05:39] <tobias_> just do ./j #kubuntu-de without the dot
[05:40] <kaminix> Is there an option to tell mplayer to start like 2 seconds later than the video? In other words, play from 0:02 -> End?
[05:40] <Eeyore-Jr> kaminix: trying to miss the fbi warning :-)
[05:40] <egon> thx
[05:41] <kaminix> Eeyore-Jr: Haha, not this time. :p It's a set of music videos, and the first 2 seconds is a text introducing a set of videos. :p
[05:43] <kaminix> -sb <byte position> (also see -ss)
[05:43] <kaminix>               Seek to byte position.  Useful for playback from CD-ROM images or VOB files with junk at the beginning.
[05:43] <hydrogen> !xgl
[05:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:43] <kaminix> Could that be used?
[05:46] <mikearthur> how can I stop /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py starting on KDE startup? using kpowersave
[05:47] <egon> hello, i have a problem ... iam using kubuntu 64 bit and i have installed wine 64 bit ... than i have installed Warcraft 3 ... no problems, if i want to start warcraft 3 it dont boot the dist just say " no disk is there please insert" any ideas?
[05:49] <Blauhaut> hiya all
[05:49] <Blauhaut> guys how can i mount my external hdd
[05:49] <mariodo> oy guys ... hello ...
[05:49] <mikearthur> egon: you need a cd crack
[05:49] <trekdanne> egon: you might need to use a cd crack
[05:49] <mikearthur> #winehq
[05:49] <Blauhaut> !external
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about external - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <mariodo> can you help me? ... i don't know where i can get a linux-driver for my printer and scanner ... as you can see ... i'm just a beginner
[05:49] <trekdanne> mikearthur: im too slow :P
[05:50] <Fraction> quick question: when running "KDE start menu" -> system settings -> Monitor and display, the driver for the graphics card is wrong, when I press administrator mode and use "detect driver" and selects the corretc one. I cannot press "apply", why is that?
[05:50] <Blauhaut> How can i mount my external hdd
[05:51] <mariodo> *is waiting*
[05:51] <mikearthur> mariodo: be more patient
[05:51] <mikearthur> have you googled?
[05:52] <egon> way? on wine 32 bit i has worked without problems
[05:52] <Fraction> remember that ppl are just kind enough to help, its not like they are required to
[05:52] <egon> im using wine 0.9.43
[05:52] <trekdanne> Fraction: hmm you may want to consider doing that through the cli if you don't get it to work
[05:53] <Fraction> trekdanne: kk ty, will try
[05:53] <trekdanne> !nvidia | Fraction
[05:53] <ubotu> Fraction: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:53] <egon> i have allthow use a crack but i cant play on battlenet
[05:53] <trekdanne> can perhaps be of some help
[05:53] <egon> -.- any help?
[05:53] <egon> please
[05:53] <Fraction> will check it out thanks ;)
[05:53] <trekdanne> egon: do you have the CD image mounted
[05:54] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  hiya :) you there ?
[05:54] <trekdanne> egon: nvm
[05:54] <egon> ???
[05:55] <mikearthur> egon: you can use a script
[05:55] <egon> i know but how?
[05:55] <mikearthur> pastebinning, 2m
[05:55] <tobias_> Blauhaut: hey :) Yes I am
[05:55] <Blauhaut> tobias_; i have a little problem , can you help me pls ?
[05:56] <tobias_> Blauhaut: depends :)
[05:56] <egon> i have used the crack of gamecopyworld
[05:56] <trekdanne> egon: you may want to ask in #winehq, they know more about this
[05:56] <mikearthur> egon: http://pastebin.com/d2d2ea08
[05:57] <Blauhaut> tobias_; i have a ntfs external hdd, i can mount it but can not see any directory or file
[05:57] <Blauhaut> tobias_; it says , i do not have permission to read
[05:57] <egon> and how i have to start it?
[05:57] <mikearthur> egon: chmod +x
[05:57] <mikearthur> egon: add #!/bin/sh to the top
[05:57] <egon> thx
[05:58] <tobias_> Blauhaut: eumm... I got to look for it myself but maybe I can find something :)
[05:58] <Blauhaut> tobias_; ok how can you check it ?
[05:59] <tobias_> Blauhaut: is fdisk -l showing you the hdd ?
[06:00] <llutz> !ntfs-3g | Blauhaut
[06:00] <ubotu> Blauhaut: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:00] <Blauhaut> tobias_; yes
[06:00] <Blauhaut>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:00] <Blauhaut> /dev/sdb1               1       38913   312568641    7  HPFS/NTF
[06:00] <egon> chmod: Zugriff auf War3ROC nicht mglich: No such file or directory
[06:00] <egon> chmod: Zugriff auf 121 nicht mglich: No such file or directory
[06:00] <egon> chmod: Zugriff auf NO-CD nicht mglich: No such file or directory
[06:00] <egon> chmod: Zugriff auf Release.cmd nicht mglich: No such file or directory
[06:00] <egon> now?
[06:00] <egon> :(
[06:01] <tobias_> Blauhaut: did you mount it as root ?
[06:01] <tobias_> egon: pasting german words in an english-speaking channel doesnt really make much sense ?! ;)
[06:02] <murchadh> Blauhaut: : Can you become root in a terminal. If so do - ls
[06:02] <llutz> egon: escape the spaces in the filename
[06:02] <egon> xD
[06:02] <egon> right
[06:04] <murchadh> Blauhaut: If you can see your data as root then it's a permissions problem. Just need to adjust the mount command. Also you'll need the ntfs-3g drivers installed to write to an NTFS FS. Let us know if you can see dadt
[06:05] <murchadh> Blauhaut: Ooops - data!
[06:05] <egon> it wont work do i have to start it after i have started the game?
[06:05] <kaminix> "mplayer -dvd-device MYDVD.ISO dvd://2 -chapter 1-1 -ss 2 -dumpstream -dumpfile OUTPUT.VOB" <--- Why does it not cut off the first two seconds?
[06:06] <tobias_> murchadh: that would have been my next question if his hdd is NTFS formated ^_  you got it more detailed, thanks for that
[06:06] <egon> can someone give a Guidance
[06:06] <egon> ?
[06:06] <egon> i dont know how to start it or whre
[06:06] <murchadh> tobias_: Didn't mean to cut across you, I'm just in the door. :)
[06:07] <egon> *
[06:07] <egon> 
[06:07] <egon> where
[06:07] <tobias_> murchadh: no please - you better take over his problems - I really appreciate your help ;D I am not that experienced with kubuntu/linux yet
[06:08] <egon> no idea?
[06:08] <tobias_> I'm just trying to help whereever I can ;)
[06:10] <egon> tobias: can you help me please?
[06:10] <murchadh> tobias_: No problem. He may actually be away or trying something else anyway.
[06:10] <tobias_> egon: what was your last question ?
[06:11] <tobias_> still concerning wine ?
[06:11] <egon> how i have to start it bevor or after i have start warcraft 3
[06:11] <egon> ?
[06:11] <tobias_> are you talking about wine? or what do you mean by "it" ?
[06:11] <egon> yes wine
[06:12] <kaminix> Really, this drives me crazy. Is there no way to delete the first 3 seconds when using -dumpstream with mplayer?
[06:12] <tobias_> what would be the idea behind starting the emulator after the program you want to emulate?
[06:12] <egon> hello, i have a problem ... iam using kubuntu 64 bit and i have installed wine 64 bit ... than i have installed Warcraft 3 ... no problems, if i want to start warcraft 3 it dont boot the dist just say " no disk is there please insert" any ideas?
[06:13] <egon> thats my problem no i have to use a crack and start a code
[06:13] <egon> start the code befor oder after i have start warcraft 3?
[06:13] <tobias_> the chmod -x code ?
[06:13] <tobias_> *+x
[06:13] <egon> yes
[06:13] <tobias_> before
[06:13] <tobias_> you only need to do it one time
[06:14] <egon> but how if i want start it there is always a error
[06:14] <egon> :(
[06:14] <tobias_> the missing cd error ?
[06:14] <tobias_> for what file did you set the chmod +x ?
[06:14] <egon> no a error that he cant start it ( the chmod )
[06:15] <Blauhaut> murchadh;
[06:15] <tobias_> what erro r?
[06:15] <tobias_> error
[06:15] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev# mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/sanal -o force
[06:15] <Blauhaut> WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced by the 'force' mount option.
[06:15] <Blauhaut> how can i clean the dirty volume =? :()
[06:15] <tobias_> Blauhaut: ^^
[06:16] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  :P
[06:16] <sander_> I tried to install KDE4 but I got some errors about unmet dependancies
[06:16] <sander_> I followed these instructions http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[06:16] <egon>  No such file or directory
[06:17] <egon> do i have it in the warcraft 3
[06:17] <egon> 
[06:17] <egon> file
[06:17] <tobias_> Blauhaut: is your windows-partition or whatever still connected to the hdd ?
[06:17] <egon> or on the desktop?
[06:18] <sander_> does anyone have experience with this?
[06:18] <tobias_> Blauhaut: I got the answer
[06:18] <Blauhaut> tobias_; no just linux
[06:18] <Blauhaut> tobias_; :)
[06:18] <tobias_> Blauhaut: just leave away the -o force
[06:18] <tobias_> because if you disconnected the hdd correctly (and i guess you never connected it before, so.. ^^) you dont need to force it
[06:18] <tobias_> and is should work fine :o
[06:18] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev# mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/sanal
[06:18] <Blauhaut> Volume is scheduled for check. Please boot into Windows TWICE, or
[06:18] <Blauhaut> use the 'force' mount option. For example type on the command line:
[06:18] <Blauhaut>     mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/sanal -o force
[06:18] <Blauhaut> Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file:
[06:18] <Blauhaut>     /dev/sdb1 /media/sanal ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0
[06:18] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev#
[06:18] <Blauhaut> no it is not working :(
[06:19] <tobias_> asdf ._.
[06:19] <tobias_> shiet ^^
[06:19] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  and i do ntfsfix
[06:19] <Blauhaut> everything is ok no error
[06:20] <tobias_> mhhhm
[06:20] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  if i boot my hdd in windows twice
[06:20] <tarek_> hi peeps
[06:20] <Blauhaut> is it going to be ok ? :)
[06:21] <tobias_> well honestly I am not sure about that ;)
[06:21] <tobias_> but you should make sure your hdd is unmounted in windows
[06:21] <tarek_> i have a 32 Bit package, is there a way of compiling it into a 64bit one?
[06:21] <Blauhaut> tobias_; i  will try in windows than
[06:21] <murchadh> Blauhaut: Do you have a windows install? there is also a little problem I reported here before which is that the mount directory must be empty. In your case /media/sanal - just make sure it is actually empty - ls -als /media/sanal. If you have changed the default icon for the folder it will give errors. Otherwise you'll need to use ntfsfix or boot windows with this drive attached.
[06:21] <Blauhaut> :) tobias_ afk for 5 min
[06:21] <tobias_> okay =)
[06:22] <Blauhaut> murchadh; i make the directory sanal on media
[06:22] <sander_> I tried to install KDE4 but I got some errors about unmet dependancies.. is here someone who succesfully installed it?
[06:22] <sander_> I followed these instructions http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[06:22] <Blauhaut> murchadh; my hdd device mount name is Philips :)
[06:22] <tobias_> murchadh: he said ntfsfix isnt messaging any errors
[06:22] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev# ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Mounting volume... OK
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Processing of $MFT and $MFTMirr completed successfully.
[06:22] <Blauhaut> NTFS volume version is 3.1.
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Setting required flags on partition... OK
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Going to empty the journal ($LogFile)... OK
[06:22] <Blauhaut> NTFS partition /dev/sdb1 was processed successfully.
[06:22] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev# ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Mounting volume... OK
[06:22] <Blauhaut> Processing of $MFT and $MFTMirr completed successfully.
[06:22] <Blauhaut> NTFS volume version is 3.1.
[06:23] <Blauhaut> Setting required flags on partition... OK
[06:23] <Blauhaut> Going to empty the journal ($LogFile)... OK
[06:23] <tobias_> Blauhaut: stop pasting
[06:23] <Blauhaut> NTFS partition /dev/sdb1 was processed successfully.
[06:23] <Blauhaut> root@selcuk-laptop:/dev#
[06:23] <tobias_> !pastebin
[06:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:23] <Blauhaut> tobias_; ups i am sorry for that
[06:23] <tobias_> ;)
[06:23] <Blauhaut> ok i will use it
[06:23] <tobias_> worked now?
[06:23] <Blauhaut> tobias_; what worked ? :)
[06:23] <tobias_> the ntfsfix ... just trying to hide my reado
[06:23] <tobias_> ;)
[06:23] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  it is just ntfsfix :)
[06:23] <tobias_> I know
[06:23] <tobias_> just ignore it
[06:24] <tobias_> ;)
[06:24] <egon> tobias_ now i have done it again now nothing happen i have tipe it to the konsole and nothing happend ... but it wont work :(
[06:24] <Blauhaut> tobias_;  i am afk now for connect and disconnect hdd to windoz several time
[06:25] <murchadh> Blauhaut: If there is a .directory file in the mount directory (which holds non-default icon info) it will also give this error. Please type ls -als /media/sanal and tell us the results.
[06:25] <tobias_> Blauhaut: okay, good luck - and... FYI: There is topic in a ubuntu bulletin from today... discussing the same thing - I will keep my eyes open :)
[06:26] <tobias_> but first listen to murchadh :D
[06:26] <Blauhaut> :)
[06:26] <Blauhaut> be there in 10 min
[06:26] <egon> soooo any ideas? it wont work :(
[06:27] <alyssa_> hammer?
[06:27] <tobias_> egon: sorry, absolutely no idea
[06:27] <murchadh> Blauhaut: When hes back. Try going through this page - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-484566.html! Thanks tobias_! :)
[06:27] <tarek_> guys is there a way to make a 64Bit package from a 32 bit?
[06:27] <alyssa_> (grin) install it twice?
[06:27] <egon> i have start it now in the terminal now there is no error nothing happen look:
[06:28] <alyssa_> sorry I'm leaving now
[06:28] <Sanne> tarek_: recompile
[06:28] <egon> egon@egon-laptop:~$ cd /home/egon/.wine/drive_c/ProgramFiles/WarcraftIII
[06:28] <egon> egon@egon-laptop:~/.wine/drive_c/ProgramFiles/WarcraftIII$ sudo chmod +x War3ROC121NO-CDRelease.cmd
[06:28] <egon> egon@egon-laptop:~/.wine/drive_c/ProgramFiles/WarcraftIII$ sudo chmod +x War3TFT121NO-CDRelease.cmd
[06:28] <egon> egon@egon-laptop:~/.wine/drive_c/ProgramFiles/WarcraftIII$
[06:28] <alyssa_> bye bye
[06:28] <tarek_> and how?
[06:28] <egon> rigth like this?
[06:28] <tarek_> Sanne: got any link?
[06:29] <Sanne> tarek_: if you have a 64 bit system running, you need to get the source and compile it. How depends on the software. Or you could just run it as 32 bit, which mostly works on 64bit systems. What application are you trying to run?
[06:29] <tarek_> 1 sec
[06:30] <tarek_> http://www.cadsoft.de/
[06:30] <tarek_> they have the tar files and rpms for it
[06:30] <Sanne> tarek_: I'm investigating
[06:30] <tarek_> Sanne: thanks
[06:31] <SoulChild> how do i deactivate UUID's in grub/menu.lst ??? tried already to change "kopt" to "/ev/hda3" but update-grub still puts the UUID's as device names , any help would be great !
[06:31] <tobias_> okay, I am afk. Good luck with your worries and problems everyone =)
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> SoulChild: i don't think you need to run update-grub when you change menu.lst
[06:33] <SoulChild> hitmanWilly: yes but whenever i make changes to the kernel i need to run it, or it is runed automaticlly when installing a new precompiled kernel
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> SoulChild: id say just make the changes and try a reboot to see if it worked
[06:33] <SoulChild> :( i think you didn't understand
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> SoulChild: it should automatically change menu.lst to reference the new kernel
[06:34] <Sanne> tarek_: from what I see, this doesn't seem to be software where you can get the source code. So you can't recompile. I think the best bet is to try the tgz since rpm is a foreign package format (which you *can* convert to deb, but I wouldn't recommend it). Is this the tgz file you got? eagle-lin-eng-4.16r2.tgz
[06:34] <SoulChild> hitmanWilly: you didn#t understand my problem ,... i don't want grub to use UUID's! Iwant it to put device names like "/dev/sda3"
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> SoulChild: ok, change menu.lst and reboot, it should work fine
[06:35] <tarek_> Sanne: no i got the rpm package
[06:36] <Sanne> tarek_: but this version? If so, I will try to install and run it, and if it works, help you with it (I'm on 64 bit also)
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> SoulChild: if you happen to see a kernel update come across, double check menu.lst and edit accordingly
[06:36] <tarek_> k thanks
[06:39] <Sanne> tarek_: getting it now. If it works, be prepared to also get the tgz, because I can't help with the rpm.
[06:39] <tarek_> k
[06:39] <tarek_> sanne:downloading it
[06:39] <Sanne> :)
[06:44] <danya> I'm trying to install java on a 64-bit feisty ..and I'm having problems can anyone help me ?
[06:45] <Sanne> tarek_: ok, it wants me to run an install script which, as I see by inspection, wants to put things in /usr. I don't want to let it do that as I keep manually installed software seperate from the packages governed by the package manager. But...
[06:45] <Sanne> tarek_: ... I just tried to run it without installation, and at least some project menager starts.
[06:47] <Sanne> tarek_: still with me?
[06:48] <escalona> hola cual es el canal en espaol?
[06:48] <tarek__> Sanne: sorry got dc
[06:48] <Sanne> tarek_: Oo.
[06:48] <llutz> !es | escalona
[06:48] <escalona> hola cual es el canal en espaol?
[06:48] <ubotu> escalona: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:48] <Sanne> tarek_: my last messages:
[06:48] <Sanne> tarek_: ok, it wants me to run an install script which, as I see by inspection, wants to put things in /usr. I don't want to let it do that as I keep manually installed software seperate from the packages governed by the package manager. But...
[06:48] <Sanne> tarek_: ... I just tried to run it without installation, and at least some project menager starts.
[06:49] <escalona> llutz: Thanks
[06:49] <tarek__> Sanne: ok so what is to do?
[06:50] <Sanne> tarek_: I would recommend: 1. also try to run it without install to see if it does at all. If not, I help you get it to run. 2. Install it regularly, but better change the install paths in the install script a bit. I help with that also. Ok?
[06:52] <tarek__> sanne: ok lets go
[06:52] <Sanne> tarek__: fine. First, extract the tgz to a temporary folder, can be in your home folder if you want.
[06:53] <tarek__> sanne: ok exracted
[06:53] <tarek__> sanne: now what?
[06:53] <Sanne> tarek_: next cd into the newly created folder, you should see a README file, an install file, and a bin directory (and some more). Is all there?
[06:54] <tarek__> sanne: yes README is there
[06:55] <Sanne> tarek_: now we try to start it. In a konsole window which working directory is the eagle folder, type: bin eagle
[06:55] <Sanne> tarek__: no!
[06:55] <Sanne> tarek__: bin/eagle
[06:55] <Sanne> sorry
[06:56] <tarek__> sanne: ok
[06:56] <Sanne> tarek_: does it start?
[06:57] <tarek__> sanne: no
[06:57] <tarek__> sanne:
[06:57] <tarek__> The program 'eagle' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[06:57] <tarek__> apt-get install eagle
[06:57] <tarek__> Make sure you have the 'multiverse' component enabled
[06:57] <tarek__> bash: eagle: command not found
[06:57] <Sanne> tarek_: please paste any error messages to ubuntu-nl.org
[06:57] <Sanne> tarek_: next time :)
[06:57] <tarek__> sanne: ah k
[06:58] <Sanne> tarek__: what does the command "pwd" say (paste in here, it's short)
[06:58] <tarek__> sanne: /home/tarek/Desktop/eagle-lin-eng-4.16r2/bin
[07:00] <Sanne> tarek_: doh! Eagle is in the repositories (as this message said)! I should have checked it. So, just install it via apt-get or adept.
[07:00] <Sanne> tarek_: in feisty it's version 4.16-3
[07:00] <tarek__> sanny: that is wierd
[07:00] <Sanne> tarek_: why?
[07:02] <tarek__> sanne thought that it wouldn never be there
[07:02] <Sanne> tarek_: an I looked for cadsoft, but didn't search for eagle.
[07:02] <kaminix> What filesystem is the img files k3b makes?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: probably iso
[07:03] <kaminix> hitmanWilly:  sudo mount -t iso9660 /media/sda5/k3b_0.img /media/cdrom -o loop <--- gives error
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: ok, lemme check really quick...
[07:04] <llutz> kaminix: try -t auto
[07:04] <Sanne> tarek__: do you need any more help?
[07:04] <tarek__> sanne: how and where can i get the link to start it
[07:04] <Sanne> tarek__: did you install it via the package manager?
[07:04] <llutz> kaminix: or "file /media/sda5/k3b_0.img"
[07:05] <kaminix> Still no success llutz :(
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: what does the file cmd return?
[07:06] <kaminix> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[07:06] <Sanne> tarek__: ?
[07:06] <tarek__> sanne:
[07:06] <tarek__> sanne: yes
[07:06] <llutz> kaminix: what does "file /media/sda5/k3b_0.img" say?
[07:07] <kaminix> alex@Hasokon:~$ file /media/sda5/k3b_0.img
[07:07] <kaminix> /media/sda5/k3b_0.img: data
[07:07] <Sanne> tarek__: it should be somewhere in your menu, but for now you can test by opening a new konsole and typing eagle (NOT the konsole opened before!)
[07:07] <tarek__> k thanks
[07:08] <Sanne> tarekworks?
[07:08] <Sanne> tarek__: works?
[07:08] <llutz> kaminix: then it isn't iso (maybe broken image?), it should report something like "...  ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data..."
[07:09] <kaminix> llutz: But k3b just made it and said it was fine :s
[07:09] <llutz> kaminix: odd
[07:09] <kaminix> I do have  /media/sda5/k3b_0.img.toc as well. Anything about that?
[07:11] <llutz> kaminix: how did you create this image? k3b usually just creates an .iso without any toc (table of contents) file
[07:13] <kaminix> llutz: Just followed the instructions. Create image file. :s
[07:13] <llutz> kaminix: i just checked that, this is what k3b created when "copy CD to image": cdrom.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data (unknown version, id 'NSR01') 'CDROM                          ' (bootable)
[07:15] <kaminix> llutz: Strange. Well, doesn't matter. I did a workaround kinda, so I've reached my goal anyhow. Thanks a lot for the help though.
[07:15] <happydanceparty> what does this mean?:checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:16] <genii> toc=table of contents
[07:16] <mrksbrd> anyone know why I would get "unable to read block........." errors when attempting an install.....the disc works on my laptop w/o any probs, but when I attempt an install on my desktop i get a million errors
[07:16] <kaminix> Seems k3b is about 100 times faster ripping audio then KAudioKreator.
[07:17] <Sanne> happydanceparty: usually it means, you need the package build-essential
[07:17] <p3t3r> hello!
[07:18] <nosredna_ekim> hello
[07:18] <happydanceparty> well i installed the gcc with synaptic
[07:19] <Sanne> happydanceparty: try build-essential, I think you need some more packages than only gcc.
[07:19] <kaminix> Is k3b ripping and encoding in real-time? KAudioKreator first ripped then encoded...
[07:19] <happydanceparty> i will do that ty
[07:20] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: i think k3b encodes on the fly by default
[07:20] <kaminix> hitmanWilly: Well, it went REALLY fast. O_o
[07:21] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: that's good then :)
[07:21] <kaminix> No, it has me worrying if it's done correctly :p :D
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: you could check the log to see if it spit back any errors
[07:22] <jcs7778> if im in a terminal only session and i type something like ifconfig or help and the output gose off the top of the screen is there a way for me to go up and see what that output is, page up button doesn't seem to work or do anything at all
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> jcs7778: use it with | less
[07:23] <jcs7778> what?
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> jcs7778: ie ifconfig | less
[07:23] <jcs7778> oh
[07:25] <happydanceparty> what is a .so file?
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> happydanceparty: a shared library, kinda like a dll
[07:26] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: "shared object" an object is a library
[07:27] <happydanceparty> ok i used synaptec to install libvorbis stuff but i am getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> happydanceparty: you may need the -dev package
[07:28] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: vorbis stuff is installed by default.... what were you installing?
[07:28] <happydanceparty> i am trying to run stepmania
[07:28] <happydanceparty> familiar?
[07:29] <happydanceparty> the -dev package seems to be installed
[07:30] <happydanceparty> maybe i am not executing the file correctly
[07:30] <happydanceparty> the command would be ./stepmania right?
[07:38] <abcde_> hello
[07:39] <nosredna_ekim> hello
[07:39] <abcde_> where do I get x11-dbus or dbus-x11 package? I am trying to install kde4b1
[07:39] <abcde_> apt is complaining that this package doesn't exist when I try installing kde4base-dev
[07:40] <annkas> help me to extend /home - I have a 40 gb hd, but only 3,7 is used for /home :-(
[07:40] <abcde_> annkas create a new partition
[07:40] <abcde_> and move your /home to it :)
[07:40] <annkas> abcde_: why create a new, can't I just extend /home?
[07:41] <abcde_> annkas: not sure :\
[07:41] <trekdanne> annkas: you can
[07:41] <abcde_> so anyone using kde4?
[07:41] <trekdanne> annkas: easiest to do with a livecd
[07:41] <trekdanne> abcde_: yes
[07:41] <abcde_> trekdanne: does your system have x11-dbus?
[07:42] <abcde_> feisty 7.04 is what I have here
[07:42] <trekdanne> ace_: x11-dbus?
[07:42] <abcde_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php <- these directions are broken for feisty
[07:42] <abcde_> trekdanne: yes it's a package name that kde4base-dev depends on
[07:44] <trekdanne> abcde_: hmm not sure.. i built a svn version
[07:44] <abcde_> trekdanne: can you run this command: dpkg -l | grep x11-dbus, and let me know if it returns something?
[07:44] <abcde_> oh
[07:44] <trekdanne> hmm
[07:44] <trekdanne> !find x11-dbus
[07:44] <abcde_> maybe I force the install and see if I can get by without x11-dbus
[07:45] <ubotu> Package/file x11-dbus does not exist in feisty
[07:45] <abcde_> lol
[07:45] <trekdanne> broken package?
[07:45] <abcde_> then why does kde4base-dev depend on it!
[07:45] <abcde_> :(
[07:46] <keh7d> does anyone have any recommendations on a wireless pci card that works for x64 kubuntu?
[07:46] <trekdanne> i don't understand what x11-dbus should containt that libdbus doesn't
[07:46] <trekdanne> contain
[07:46] <kaminix> One more time then. ^^ Anyone know how to make mplayer skip the first 3 or 4 seconds when doing the dumpstream? -ss did not work with dumpstream, it only works with playback.
[07:46] <trekdanne> !find libdbus
[07:46] <ubotu> Found: libdbus-glib-1-2, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-doc, libdbus-qt-1-1c2, libdbus-qt-1-dev (and 2 others)
[07:47] <gandhii> how do I exit out of the "test monitor" screen?
[07:48] <annkas> what do i write to find out how much free space on hd?
[07:48] <trekdanne> abcde_: i'd say libdbus1.3 libdbus1-dev would be sufficent
[07:49] <gandhii> how do I exit out of the "test monitor" screen?  (the one in system settings where you change your monitor settings)
[07:49] <trekdanne> abcde_: probably should ask in #kubuntu-devel what up with that package
[07:49] <abcde_> trekdanne: thanks
[07:50] <steveire> Do any of you use kmail? Is there some way to make it so that if I read a mail in kmail it gets marked as read in gmail?
[07:50] <moriancumer> annkas: df -h
[07:51] <trekdanne> steveire: no. google only got POP. maybe that's some hack tho
[07:51] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: hmm dunno.
[07:51] <steveire> trekdanne: Does imap do thid?
[07:51] <steveire> that*
[07:51] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: I doubt it.
[07:52] <trekdanne> steveire: IIRC yes
[07:52] <steveire> Is anything capable of it?
[07:52] <steveire> hmm. So now I want gmail to support imap.
[07:52] <nosredna_ekim> on a related note, does anyone know how to recover a toolbar in kmail from "flatmode"?
[07:53] <trekdanne> steveire: yea send them some mail
[07:54] <steveire> on another kmail theme, is it possible to preserve threads when sending them to folders? mails are threaded in inbox, but no other folder...
[07:55] <runlevelten> steveire: threading is a per-folder view setting, that's all.
[07:56] <runlevelten> steveire: Just thread messages in that folder, too. :)
[07:56] <Shaezsche> how can i empty Root's trash?
[07:57] <runlevelten> Shaezsche: use konqy as root to open trash:/
[07:58] <runlevelten> then shift+delete everything you see.
[07:58] <steveire> I'm not seeing anything about threading in the folder properties
[07:58] <Shaezsche> how do i open trash? when i sudo konqueror its just the file dir
[07:58] <Shaezsche> i dont know where trash is
[07:58] <happydanceparty> so i take it a program compiled for i386 won't run on ubuntu x64?
[07:58] <runlevelten> that's why I said open trash:/
[07:59] <runlevelten> open trash:/
[07:59] <trekdanne> Shaezsche: go to the url "trash:/"
[07:59] <runlevelten> type trash:/ in the address bar :)
[07:59] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: its in there somewhere
[07:59] <alexandros1> which is the BEST application for image editing like Photoshop but for Kubuntu/Linux ?
[07:59] <runlevelten> steveire: have a look around then.
[07:59] <runlevelten> alexandros1: Define BEST
[07:59] <runlevelten> !best
[07:59] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[07:59] <alexandros1> well
[07:59] <alexandros1> most famous
[08:00] <runlevelten> GIMP, Cinepaint are good.
[08:00] <runlevelten> I use GIMP, and I also use photoshop
[08:00] <runlevelten> Photoshop runs in Wine.
[08:00] <trekdanne> alexandros1: Ps with emulation layer is probably best
[08:00] <alexandros1> which one is the one which mostly resembles Photoshop?
[08:00] <alexandros1> I'd like to avoid wine
[08:00] <alexandros1> if possible
[08:00] <abcde_> gimp
[08:00] <trekdanne> my graphic friends says there's no suppsitute for Ps
[08:00] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: actually you can make it :)
[08:00] <alexandros1> ok then
[08:00] <alexandros1> thanks guys :)
[08:00] <runlevelten> Gimp is fine for most stuff.
[08:01] <trekdanne> hmm indeed gimp is high quality software
[08:01] <runlevelten> Photoshop is proprietary software which sucks, but when you need it for something, wine supports it just fine.
[08:01] <alexandros1> oh I see
[08:02] <happydanceparty> i guess i'll compile it from src
[08:02] <runlevelten> I think it was Pixar who paid for that alexandros1.
[08:02] <runlevelten> *Paid codeweavers to get PS working in wine.
[08:02] <trekdanne> most people never buy photoshop.. making their immatrial rights to the product media invalid
[08:02] <alexandros1> wow
[08:03] <alexandros1> that makes sense
[08:03] <alexandros1> Pixar must be using lots of  *ux
[08:03] <runlevelten> A lot of these companies use Linux a lot, yeah.
[08:03] <keh7d> could anyone make a recommendation on a wireless card that works out of the box for kubuntu
[08:04] <nosredna_ekim> !hardware
[08:04] <keh7d> thankx
[08:04] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:05] <runlevelten> 'twas Disney too, IIRC.
[08:05] <runlevelten> Anyway, it works.
[08:06] <runlevelten> I can vouch for 5.5 and 7 being great.
[08:06] <steveire> Hmmm, yes threading in other folders does seem to work. Cheers.
[08:06] <runlevelten> steveire: np :)
[08:11] <Some_Person> test
[08:12] <Some_Person> test
[08:13] <Some_Person> I've been a GNOME user for years, but I finally decided to try KDE. I am running the Kubuntu Live CD with nVidia GLX enabled. Do you have any suggestions for me?
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: have fun :)
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: you want effects I assume ;)
[08:14] <Some_Person> I an very confused with KDE at the moment. I was so confused I installed nVidia GLX from terminal.
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> lol.
[08:14] <Some_Person> effects?
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> Beyl/compiz...
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> *beryl
[08:15] <Some_Person> Nah, I don't care about that.
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> oh.. ok
[08:15] <Some_Person> They are too buggy for me (or at least on Ubuntu)
[08:16] <sanzanri1> how is nvidia relate then?
[08:16] <nosredna_ekim> indeed.... well the one thing I would reccomend is messing around with themes and you'll see how configurable KDE is in that regard :)
[08:16] <Some_Person> nVidia gives me: 1024x768 and 85hz
[08:16] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: and you want higher?
[08:16] <Some_Person> 1024x768 is exactly what I want
[08:17] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: ok.....
[08:17] <sanzanri1> oh?
[08:17] <Some_Person> When I first booted this live cd it gave me 800x600
[08:17] <nosredna_ekim> oh you are in the liveCD... :) didn't see that
[08:17] <Some_Person> I am
[08:18] <Some_Person> I am trying to decide which I like better: KDE or GNOME.
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> well, you don't have to erase gnome/ubutnu to install kubuntu.... you can simply run "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"  in your installation of ubutnu
[08:18] <Some_Person> I thought the live cd would be a good way to do it
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> and that will give you a live install
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> ah.. ok.
[08:18] <Some_Person> Uhh, will that work with less than 500MB free space?
[08:18] <ScarFreewill> does kde have its own compositing window manager?
[08:19] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: no... but KDE4 does.
[08:19] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: it can do transparency and such things though
[08:19] <Some_Person> Right now I kinda like KDE, but it's very confusing. More confusing when I first tried GNOME.
[08:20] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: is it kwin in kde4?
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: yes, but a new version I believe..
[08:20] <Some_Person> And when I first tried GNOME was when I first tried Linux
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: it would be... gnome is so dead simple.
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> and unconfigurable.
[08:21] <Sheazsche> is anybody familiar with Kiso?
[08:21] <Sheazsche> is there a trick to getting this to work? i'd like to be able to mount iso images with a right click
[08:21] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I've got kde4beta, how can i test it out?
[08:21] <happydanceparty> so how do i get OpenGL installed
[08:21] <Some_Person> Where is the dang control panel or whatever KDE uses?
[08:21] <happydanceparty> i have tried to install nvidia driver but i can't get X server to close
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: I'm not sure actually.To tell you the truth.. I couldn't figure it out myself.
[08:22] <ScarFreewill> Some_Person: kmenu --> System settings
[08:22] <Some_Person> kmenu?
[08:22] <alexandros1> man... gimp is awesome!!
[08:22] <alexandros1> ok its a bit slower than photoshop but still ....!
[08:22] <happydanceparty> dang, i have to go to work  :(
[08:22] <Some_Person> Agreed, The GIMP rules!
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: but I need XGL so that might be it
[08:22] <ScarFreewill> alexandros1: yup :D
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> haha... first time i've heard someone say that gimp is great.
[08:23] <alexandros1> I love it!
[08:23] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: nvidia drivers and then run nvidia-xconfig and restrat X and then nvidia-settings
[08:23] <Some_Person> The GIMP is like Photoshop but easier to use.
[08:23] <Some_Person> I did it a different way in the live cd
[08:23] <happydanceparty> nvidia driver won't install because x server is running
[08:23] <ScarFreewill> I like both kirta & gimp I use them both a lot
[08:23] <nosredna_ekim> krita is nice...
[08:24] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: don't use nvidias installer. run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" instead
[08:24] <alexandros1> ive been using photoshop for years and I love gimp cause there is no need to learn things from the beginning, its pretty much the same idea
[08:24] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I like krita because I don't like gtk stuff like gimp thats usually all over my screen, but I like gimp because i'm used to it...
[08:25] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: eh... gtk within KDE doesn't really bother me.
[08:25] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" => "sudo nvidia-xconfig" => ctrl-alt-backspace => "sudo nvidia-settings"
[08:25] <happydanceparty> that installed fast..
[08:25] <Some_Person> happydanceparty: its easy, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx", hit ALT+F2, type "sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg", select nvidia driver, when you get back to terminal type "killall Xorg" and X will restart using nvidia-glx
[08:25] <jjesse> ok i think i may have changed soemhting, but i'm no longer prompted to open the device in a new windwo when i plugin a usb drive... how do i set that back?
[08:25] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: your lucky I've tried confincing my self I like it it doesn't work :P
[08:25] <Sheazsche> is there a trick to getting this to work? i'd like to be able to mount iso images with a right click
[08:25] <Sheazsche> is anybody familiar with Kiso?
[08:26] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: look at kde-apps stdin has done a nice service menu
[08:26] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: didn't say I liked it..... but ot doesn't bother me. especcially since I apply my KDE theme to the GTK apps
[08:27] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I just hate the save wiget!
[08:27] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[08:27] <Sheazsche> what?
[08:28] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: running apps like firefox is ok, gimp I can live with it, save menu omg
[08:28] <Sheazsche> trekdanne: what???
[08:28] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: go to http://www.kde-apps.org and search for "iso mount"
[08:28] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: oh.. the save menu.... yeah.. yech. terrible.
[08:28] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: glad Open office detects wht to use and uses the qt one.
[08:29] <nosredna_ekim> or at least not the GTK one
[08:29] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: yes :D
[08:29] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: they should make something like that in all gtk apps :/
[08:29] <happydanceparty> crap
[08:29] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[08:30] <happydanceparty> can you send those commands again trekdanne?
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[08:30] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: maybe it could solve both our problems (Gnomers and KDEers)
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: restart X ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:31] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: I don't feel like helping them :)
[08:31] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: we should stand together to elimnate each other hehe
[08:31] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo nvidia-settings" and use the GUI to set up your resolution
[08:32] <happydanceparty> k it showed a nvidia logo when x restarted ty
[08:32] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: np
[08:34] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: how's it going?
[08:34] <happydanceparty> ok umm i'm in the gui but can't find resolution/refresh
[08:34] <happydanceparty> holy crap i have to go to work, thanks for the help trekdanne
[08:41] <Sk3daR> lol
[08:41] <Sk3daR>  hmm
[08:42] <Sk3daR> o_o
[08:43] <Some_Person> Ok, after a little exploring, I think I'm getting better at KDE.
[08:43] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: good :)
[08:44] <Some_Person> Except I can't figure out how to set my homepage in Konqueor.
[08:44] <Some_Person> Or how to access my harddrives.
[08:44] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: lemme see... hard drives are in media:? in konqueror (if the are mounted)
[08:44] <nosredna_ekim> *media:/
[08:45] <Some_Person> ok
[08:45] <Some_Person> Konqueor? The Web browser?
[08:45] <lontra> Some_Person: konqi -> settings -> preferences -> behaviour -> home url (for homepage
[08:46] <lontra> Some_Person: it's the same beast either way
[08:46] <Some_Person> beast?
[08:46] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: konqueror is the web browser/filemanager/everything else
[08:46] <Some_Person> oh
[08:46] <Some_Person> But how do I set my homepage?
[08:47] <lontra> Some_Person: i just told you
[08:47] <runlevelten> konqueror is the GUI browsing swiss army knife, and a fine job it does of it, too.
[08:47] <Some_Person> I heard there will be a new file browser in KDE 4 though
[08:47] <steinerhippo> yes
[08:47] <lontra> Some_Person: yes ... dolphin, but konqueror will still be prsent
[08:47] <ubunturos> Some_Person: yes, it is called "Dolphin"
[08:47] <trekdanne> dolphin
[08:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: dolphin... but konqueror will still be around.
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> I actually like the KDE4 dolphin.
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> its pretty sweet
[08:48] <Some_Person> Now I'm confused again
[08:48] <trekdanne> nah it feels like a stripped down konqueror IMHO
[08:48] <steinerhippo> i saw it on a pic, is it right that it looks a bit like vista style, or is that generally not true?
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> trekdanne: I like the modified location bar.
[08:48] <Some_Person> I don't like the "System Settings" in KDE.
[08:49] <ubunturos> nosredna_ekim: that reminds me of "Win 98" in some ways
[08:49] <lontra> Some_Person: it's not a kde thing ... it's a kubuntu thing ... you can use kcontrol instead
[08:49] <Some_Person> oh
[08:49] <lontra> Some_Person: but system settings will be in kde4
[08:49] <nosredna_ekim> steinerhippo: yeah, it does look a bit like vista's location bar
[08:50] <Some_Person> Yeah, I like Control Center much better
[08:50] <trekdanne> ah little bloated IMHO
[08:50] <lontra> Some_Person: well you can use it
[08:50] <lontra> trekdanne: what's bloated kcontrol?
[08:50] <trekdanne> but I rarely use GUI for system configuration
[08:50] <trekdanne> lontra: yes
[08:50] <lontra> trekdanne: nah ... it's a lot less clicking then system settings
[08:51] <trekdanne> yeah in the end it's the same stuff
[08:51] <trekdanne> kcfg files i think ?
[08:51] <Some_Person> System Settings is too confusing for me
[08:51] <lontra> trekdanne: yeah it is
[08:51] <Some_Person> Control Center is more straight forward
[08:51] <trekdanne> Some_Person: why is that?
[08:51] <steinerhippo> nosredna_ekim: i'm pretty happy with konqueror, i'll see in the next kubuntu version, they want to put kde4 in for interested users, but not as standard as i read
[08:51] <lontra> system settings is a total rip off of mac os x
[08:51] <lontra> as is the kubuntu icon effect
[08:52] <nosredna_ekim> they should just go all the way and do baghira :)
[08:54] <runlevelten> So it doesn't seem very OS X to me ;)
[08:54] <lontra> runlevelten: it's the exact same system settings layout
[08:54] <Some_Person> Ok, now my last question: How much disk space would I need to install KDE on my Ubuntu install?
[08:54] <runlevelten> system settings is kcontrol lite. Pigstick on a lip.
[08:55] <lontra> runlevelten: i think you don't know what you're talking about ... it's the exact same thing but with a different layout requiring more clicking
[08:55] <runlevelten> lontra: whatever.
[08:55] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: I would guess < 500 MB
[08:55] <Some_Person> Well, I'd like a more precise amount than that.
[08:56] <trekdanne> hmm probably less if you go with only kdelibs and kdebase
[08:56] <runlevelten> Some_Person: If you try to install it, it will tell you how much disk space it would use.
[08:56] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: I wouldn't know really, but all of KDE4 is about 300MB.
[08:56] <runlevelten> Some_Person: with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <Some_Person> ok
[08:57] <runlevelten> you can then press n, or use ctrl C to cancel it if you wish
[08:57] <Some_Person> If KDE 4 is 300 MB, KDE 3.5 should be less, right
[08:57] <runlevelten> should nothing. Apt will tell you exactly how much space is required right now if you do as I say.
[08:57] <Assid> scary enough to run gutsy
[08:57] <Some_Person> I would have to switch over to ubuntu right?
[08:58] <Some_Person> im on livecd
[08:58] <adenicio> HOW DO I SAVE MY PACKAGES TO MY EXTERNAT HDD?
[08:58] <Some_Person> I tried Gutsy Live CD by the way, it is terrible atm
[08:58] <runlevelten> You would have to actually be using the ubuntu install you talk about, yes :)
[08:58] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: that would be the best way to do it
[08:58] <adenicio> and i cant seem to right to my hdd in fat32 how could i transfer to it?
[08:59] <trekdanne> adenicio: ??
[08:59] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: cp -R /var/cache/apt/archives/* /media/<hard drive>
[08:59] <Some_Person> But I want to keep trying out KDE, getting nvidia-glx in live cd is hard to do if i dont have room on my HD
[09:00] <steinerhippo> @Some_Person: i have nvidia-glx on kde, works fine
[09:00] <Some_Person> on live cd?
[09:00] <Some_Person> on live cd its harder
[09:00] <steinerhippo> no^^
[09:00] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: they say its not a direstory
[09:00] <steinerhippo> i think that that would not be as easy
[09:01] <Some_Person> took me hours to figure out how to do it in the first place
[09:01] <Some_Person> and an extra hour with KDE live
[09:01] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: what isn't? the source or destination?
[09:01] <steinerhippo> und what do you think about kde?
[09:02] <Some_Person> I think its a great system, very configurable, however less simplistic than GNOME
[09:02] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: the things i download from adept how do i save them to my hdd.im going to destroys windows and im afraid to loose everthing in feisty
[09:02] <steinerhippo> yes, in gnome there is mostly one prog for one think, in kde, it's more difficult, but i really like it
[09:03] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: ah right... well you can just browse to that directory in konqueror and go from there
[09:03] <trekdanne> Kparts is so supperior to GNOMES B-something
[09:03] <Some_Person> One more thing, I don't like this UTC clock, how do I change it?
[09:03] <trekdanne> Some_Person: tzconfig
[09:03] <steinerhippo> i'm using kubuntu now for one month instead of winows, everything works fine, only thing is my wlan card, but that is a really bad card, i'll buy a new one
[09:04] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: brows?
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: Browse
[09:04] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: i'll see if back up of system works
[09:04] <nosredna_ekim> growse
[09:04] <nosredna_ekim> *browse...lol
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: open Konq
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: write /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:05] <maverick_> adenicio: in the address bar
[09:05] <Some_Person> I did tzlock
[09:05] <maverick_> copy all the packages from this folder
[09:05] <Some_Person> but its still a UTC clock in the taskbar
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: sick out
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: tanks man
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: or woman :-/
[09:06] <trekdanne> Some_Person: hmm try to restart it?
[09:06] <Some_Person> how?
[09:07] <adenicio> maverick_: ok can u help me with my external hdd in fat32?
[09:07] <maverick_> adenicio: what's with it?
[09:08] <trekdanne> Some_Person: ps ax | grep kicker
[09:08] <trekdanne> Some_Person: and kill -HUP pid
[09:09] <Some_Person> didn't do anything
[09:10] <trekdanne> Some_Person: what time do "date" outputs?
[09:10] <adenicio> maverick_: normaly the firt time it conected to the pc i could of rite delet etc becaus i guess it was a hdd in fat 32.but i conected a ntfs hdd to the same port.an it give me prob to mount it and to rite to it.now i put back the fat32 it givin me probs
[09:10] <trekdanne> Some_Person: it works fine for me
[09:10] <adenicio> maverick_: i cant even creat a simple file on it
[09:10] <Some_Person> Fri Aug 17 14:10:37 CDT 2007
[09:10] <Some_Person> oh wait, its just 24hr
[09:11] <trekdanne> Some_Person: :)
[09:11] <maverick_> adenicio: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[09:11] <Some_Person> how do i fix that?
[09:11] <Some_Person> and the date isn't in US format
[09:11] <trekdanne> Some_Person: should be able to right click on the clock and format something
[09:11] <maverick_> then when it's installed run ntfs-config from terminal
[09:11] <maverick_> adenicio: then when it's installed run ntfs-config from terminal
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: then a window will popup propting you with two options to enable writting to local NTFS and external NTFS ....check both of them and press ok
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: now you can read write your ntfs...
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: external and local
[09:13] <Some_Person> how do i turn off the dang 24hr though?
[09:13] <steinerhippo> i use ntfs-3g drivers, i don't know, but for me, ntfs-config didn't work
[09:13] <adenicio> runlevelten: if i delete xp wich is asocieted with linux from grub,and i reinstall xp will i be abale to restor the grub?it's feisty i have
[09:13] <maverick_> adenicio: concerning the fat32 problemi dunno..it should work, maybe you messed up while formatting it?
[09:14] <maverick_> steinerhippo: you mean nothing happened when you used it?
[09:14] <steinerhippo> only readable as i can remeber @maverick_
[09:14] <trekdanne> adenicio: yes use a livecd to install grub to you MBR
[09:14] <trekdanne> *your MBR
[09:14] <steinerhippo> maverick__ but ntfs-3g with mount command works pretty fine, external ntfs drive
[09:15] <maverick_> steinerhippo: feisty already has ntfs-3g embedded in it and ntfs-config package is only used to enable the write capability...
[09:16] <adenicio> maverick_: i didnt format it it got my data on it.it got confuse while i was mountin it
[09:16] <steinerhippo> maverick_: thx, yeah, i use mount command, but thx for the info
[09:17] <adenicio> maverick_: ok wat u give me work with ntfs  config but was a failure to the hdd inside the pc wich is xp but no worry i going to delete in a while
[09:17] <steinerhippo> because automount don
[09:17] <steinerhippo> because automount don't does it like i want it
[09:17] <adenicio> trekdanne: ok
[09:18] <maverick_> steinerhippo: and you don't need to mount every restart, yeah?
[09:19] <adenicio> trekdanne: when i transfer a file to my hdd wich is in fat32 it say access denied
[09:19] <steinerhippo> maverick_: i only mount i when i need the external drive, otherwise you would need a little script or so
[09:19] <trekdanne> adenicio: do you have write access to the location?
[09:20] <trekdanne> adenicio: maybe you mounted it as read-only?
[09:20] <maverick_> i don't understand this..shouldn't fat32 partitions be automatically mounted and read/write accessed???
[09:21] <angel> Where am i?
[09:21] <maverick_> in fesity...at least
[09:21] <nosredna_ekim> angel: #kubuntu, the kubutnu support channel
[09:21] <steinerhippo> yes, my usb stick mounts automatically, fat32
[09:21] <steinerhippo> so hmm
[09:22] <adenicio> trekdanne: its read and rite.enable
[09:22] <maverick_> steinerhippo: i mean why adenici have problems with his fat32 local partition (as i understood it has his winxp installation)
[09:23] <maverick_> steinerhippo: or is it external
[09:23] <angel> oh,must i speak english?
[09:23] <steinerhippo> maverick_: which one? mine? or adenici's?
[09:23] <maverick_> steinerhippo: adenic's
[09:24] <steinerhippo> maverick_: but i also have a local fat32 partition, which mounts automatically, so it's strange i think
[09:24] <nosredna_ekim> angel: here, yes.... but whats your language? there is probably a channel for that
[09:24] <angel> Chinese
[09:26] <adenicio> maverick_: the folder /var/cache/apt/archives/ where all my debs are if i loose linux and reinstall it and place the deb's back in that folder will it see it to reinstall them?to do that do i have to got in adep?
[09:27] <maverick_> nope... you don't
[09:27] <maverick_> adenicio: you don't even need to put them back
[09:27] <maverick_> adenicio: you just install them from where they are
[09:28] <maverick_> adenicio: if you right click on a package and choose kubuntu package menu > install
[09:29] <adenicio> maverick_: ok
[09:29] <mh9100> vmware-player vmmon version mismatch?? anyone know how ot fix this?
[09:32] <draik> !dvd
[09:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:32] <maverick_> does anyone here use MATLAB??
[09:32] <kidko_> Does anybody know how I could move an installation of emacs? I've got it here, but my other computer doesn't have internet or GCC. I can't seem to find any binaries on the web, either...
[09:35] <maverick_> !emacs
[09:35] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[09:35] <nosredna_ekim> ubotu doesn't like emacs..lol
[09:36] <maverick_> out of curiousity, why would anybody use "vi" to edit texts ?? and not use kate ??
[09:36] <llutz> emacs is fine, it just has an awfull bootloader :)
[09:36] <trekdanne> maverick_: because vi is considered more powerfull
[09:36] <maverick_> trekdanne: concerning?
[09:37] <steinerhippo> if you know the commands, you are much more faster with vi than with such an gui editor
[09:37] <nosredna_ekim> command line? and far faster.
[09:38] <trekdanne> hmm text-editors are holy so i refraing from make any more comments
[09:38] <maverick_> steinerhippo: i tried a lot and it's harder than trying to control an F-16 jet in falcon4.0 simulator :D
[09:38] <trekdanne> vi isn't that hard... quite simple and non-extendable
[09:39] <trekdanne> emacs however is a differnt story
[09:39] <trekdanne> a 30MB monster
[09:39] <steinerhippo> maverick_ you don't need to know all of the commands, but if you know important ones, you will be faster with time
[09:39] <Some_Person> I am booted into Ubuntu. How would I add KDE to my Ubuntu install?
[09:39] <anthronaut> emacs has a built in psychiatrist
[09:39] <trekdanne> emacs is my operating system, and linux my device driver
[09:39] <Some_Person> I have 679 MB free space by the way
[09:39] <DaSkreech> And tetris :)
[09:39] <trekdanne> they should call it GNU/emacs
[09:40] <trekdanne> Some_Person: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: thats all?..... hmm
[09:40] <trekdanne> Some_Person: if you want the program the kubuntu project has chosen
[09:41] <Some_Person> hmm, that uses 463 MB
[09:41] <mh9100> vmware-player vmmon version mismatch?? anyone know how ot fix this?
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kde-base
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs
[09:41] <ubotu> Package/file kde-base does not exist in feisty
[09:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4-dev, kdelibs4-doc (and 3 others)
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kdebase
[09:41] <ubotu> Found: kdebase, kdebase-bin, kdebase-data, kdebase-dbg, kdebase-dev (and 3 others)
[09:42] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: yes thats all the free space on my Ubuntu partition. I made it too small when I made it and I can't extend it unfortunately because you can't add free space to the beginning of an ext3 partition.
[09:42] <nosredna_ekim> hmm...
[09:43] <Some_Person> and i don't want to reinstall
[09:43] <steinerhippo> !de
[09:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:44] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: My ubuntu partition is only 4 GB. I don't know what the **** I was thinking.
[09:44] <ekrengel> has anyone hooked up dual monitor to a lcd tv?
[09:45] <ekrengel> i have mine hooked up now, but its defaulting my lcd tv as the primary monitor
[09:45] <ekrengel> and im not sure how to fix that in my xorg.conf
[09:45] <ekrengel> my normal monitor is through vga
[09:45] <ekrengel> and lcd is dvi
[09:46] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: neither do I..
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: do you have a alot of files in your /home? because what you CAN do is make a new partition for that.
[09:47] <trekdanne> ekrengel: people still consider CRTs to be "normal"
[09:47] <trekdanne> ?
[09:47] <Some_Person> nosredna: /home has only 1 html file in it
[09:47] <Some_Person> nosredna: other than that its just a few config files
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: hmm ok.
[09:48] <ekrengel> its not crt monitor
[09:48] <Some_Person> nosredna: /home takes up 18.1 MB
[09:48] <ekrengel> its cd too, but uses vga connection
[09:48] <ekrengel> lcd*
[09:48] <trekdanne> ekrengel: ah kk
[09:48] <trekdanne> :P
[09:48] <ekrengel> : )
[09:49] <ekrengel> i dunno how to fix it in my xorg.onf
[09:49] <ekrengel> xorg.conf*
[09:49] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: hmm.. never mind...
[09:49] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: but if you want to put stuff in your /home.. i encourage you to do that (separate you /home)
[09:49] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: any other way to clean things up?
[09:49] <trekdanne> ekrengel: you have 2 monitor sections, right?
[09:50] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i have nothing to put there
[09:50] <ekrengel> yeh
[09:50] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: also, you can delete stuff in your /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:50] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: where it keeps all downloaded packages
[09:50] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i clear that out all the time with "sudo apt-get clean"
[09:50] <Kein> Weird...
[09:50] <trekdanne> ekrengel: then make sure the "Default Screen" uses the monitor you want
[09:51] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: oh :)
[09:51] <Some_Person> otherwise i'd end up with 0mb free space
[09:51] <Kein> Alright, is there anything that would cause a hub router to not respond to the gateway address?
[09:51] <Kein> I can still ping it and everything, but I can't access its settings.
[09:51] <maverick_> Kein: welcome to my world :D
[09:51] <Kein> Yeah.
[09:51] <Kein> But.
[09:51] <trekdanne> Kein: hub router?
[09:51] <maverick_> Speedtouch...for no obvious reason sometimes it does not respond..
[09:51] <Kein> It's a wireless router that I had to append to my current setup to give my laptop internet access.
[09:52] <trekdanne> ah i c
[09:52] <ekrengel> yeah im pretty sure it is...
[09:52] <Kein> It doesn't carry a normal connection; still have to have the DSL router.
[09:52] <trekdanne> try reseting it?
[09:52] <ekrengel> whats this part mean..
[09:52] <Kein> Will do.
[09:52] <ekrengel> Option		"DPMS"
[09:52] <ekrengel> its there for both monitors
[09:52] <trekdanne> ekrengel: hmm i have never used two monitors actually ...
[09:53] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i have some old linux kernel headers installed, should i get rid of them?
[09:53] <ekrengel> hmm
[09:53] <ekrengel> ok
[09:53] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i also have some old linux kernel images installed
[09:53] <trekdanne> !paste | ekrengel your x.org
[09:53] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: Some_Person yeah you can uninstall them from within synaptic
[09:53] <ubotu> ekrengel your x.org: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:53] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: yeah you can probaly get rid of them too
[09:55] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: now i have 866.27 MB free!
[09:55] <nosredna_ekim> woot
[09:55] <ekrengel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34098/
[09:56] <ekrengel> k, there it is
[09:56] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: Time to install KDE!
[09:56] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[09:56] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: oh, is there a way i can make it get the packages from the kubuntu cd?
[09:56] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: probably.... not sure really. is it the same version as your ubuntu?
[09:57] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: both 7.04
[09:57] <nosredna_ekim> lemme check..
[10:02] <ekrengel> trekdanne: you see it?
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: put the cd in and run "sudo apt-cdrom add -d /dev/cdrom0"
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> and restart synaptic
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> and then try installing and see what happens.
[10:03] <trekdanne> ekrengel: hmm i dont know try this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34099/
[10:03] <nosredna_ekim> see if KDE still requires a DL
[10:03] <ekrengel> what is changed in there?
[10:03] <trekdanne> ekrengel: under server layout
[10:04] <trekdanne> ekrengel: RightOf
[10:04] <ekrengel> thats just which way it goes off the screen
[10:04] <ekrengel> im pretty sure...
[10:05] <llutz> ekrengel: buy nvidia-card, there's dvi always 2nd monitor and analog-vga the 1st :((
[10:05] <ekrengel> i kno i got ati...
[10:05] <ekrengel> its working well i just need to swtich them
[10:05] <ekrengel> primary
[10:06] <trekdanne> isn't it mapped to global coordinates
[10:06] <Kein> hmm...
[10:06] <Kein> Alright.
[10:06] <Kein> My wireless router is perfectly functional.
[10:06] <llutz> ekrengel:  maybe if you swap "MonitorLayout" " CRT, TMDS"
[10:06] <Kein> But for some reason, my laptop refuses to connect to it.
[10:06] <ekrengel> ahh
[10:06] <ekrengel> ok
[10:06] <Kein> It fails everytime I try to connect to it, but it does show up.
[10:06] <ekrengel> i'll try that
[10:07] <ekrengel> bb in a few
[10:07] <keh7d> is there a terminal command to open up network-manager in kubuntu?
[10:07] <llutz> ekrengel: otherwise consult the documentation for your driver
[10:07] <Kein> umm...
[10:08] <Kein> ;/
[10:08] <Kein> Well, I can manage a router from the terminal, but I'm sure that's not what you're asking for.
[10:11] <ekrengel> didn't work...
[10:12] <ekrengel> Option 		"MergedXineramaCRT2IsScreen0" "True"
[10:12] <ekrengel> maybe if i make that false
[10:12] <ekrengel> it might switch it
[10:13] <Dou1> hey I'm installing groupwise right now and it tells me online to copy my java installation to replace the current jre folder.  do i copy the whole jav-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.11? or just the jre folder inside it?
[10:14] <llutz> ekrengel: have you tried "MonitorLayout" " CRT, LVDS" ?
[10:14] <Some_Person> I added the Kubuntu CD, but it wants to download the files anyway
[10:14] <ekrengel> no
[10:14] <llutz> ekrengel: maybe this helps  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-280888.html
[10:16] <Dou1> hey I'm installing groupwise right now and it tells me online to copy my java installation to replace the current jre folder.  do i copy the whole jav-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.11? or just the jre folder inside it?
[10:16] <ekrengel> i guess i'll try LVDS
[10:16] <ekrengel> brb
[10:16] <llutz> ekrengel: lvds usually means laptop, but who knows...
[10:17] <Dou1> can anyone help me?
[10:18] <draik> What do I need to play AVIs?
[10:18] <llutz> vlc
[10:19] <draik> kaffeine won't do it?\
[10:21] <ekrengel> nope still not it
[10:21] <ekrengel> but you know what i just realized
[10:21] <ekrengel> i have dvi to vga converters
[10:21] <ekrengel> so i'll just use those, and switch them
[10:21] <ekrengel> : P
[10:22] <ekrengel> so i'll try that
[10:22] <ekrengel> brb again!
[10:22] <draik> I don't have VLC as an option in my Multimedia. Where else would it go after installation?
[10:22] <RytmenPinnen> adept manager
[10:23] <keh7d> could anyone tell me how I can view the wireless networks my usb dev can see?
[10:23] <RytmenPinnen> lol, sry I misread you :)
[10:24] <draik> Ok
[10:24] <RytmenPinnen> draik, if you are using katapult, wich I highly recommend, then just hit alt-space and write vlc
[10:25] <draik> RytmenPinnen: I did, actually. I am now using Kaffeine, but it's just a black screen and no audio. The navigation bar is moving across, but nothing.
[10:25] <RytmenPinnen> go vlc then :)
[10:26] <draik> go vlc?
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> use vlc
[10:27] <draik> I try
[10:27] <draik> It's not listed
[10:27] <draik> Not in my K Menu and not with Katapult
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> how did you install it?
[10:27] <draik> sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, that's odd
[10:27] <draik> The install method or the fact that it won't come up?
[10:28] <draik> I just restarted and it's there now
[10:28] <draik> Thank you RytmenPinnen
[10:28] <RytmenPinnen> good :)
[10:29] <draik> YAY
[10:31] <biebel> hey, is it possoble to configure wine only to use a certain soundcard .. it uses the wrong one evrn when linux uses the right one
[10:33] <hydrogen> i'm going to reinstall.  Is there a way to get a list of packages I have installed and then to install them after I finish reinstalling??
[10:33] <[ifr0g] > hydrogen, dpkg -l
[10:33] <hydrogen> mm
[10:34] <llutz> hydrogen: dpkg --get-selection > packagesinstalled.txt
[10:35] <llutz> hydrogen: after re-install: dpkg --set-selections < packagesinstalled.txt
[10:37] <draik> llutz: What does the first command do? What does the second command do?
[10:37] <llutz> draik: "man dpkg"  tells you
[10:39] <animimotus> hi
[10:39] <danya__> hello im having problems with installing java for 64-bit feisty
[10:40] <animimotus> when I make a ./configure a have this error "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail."
[10:40] <animimotus> KDE headers ? oO
[10:40] <trekdanne> animimotus: get kdelibs-dev
[10:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs-dev
[10:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs4-dev
[10:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs
[10:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4-dev, kdelibs4-doc (and 3 others)
[10:41] <animimotus> oh ok trekdanne, thx
[10:41] <trekdanne> hmm maybe not...
[10:42] <trekdanne> run a "sudo apt-get build-dep <program name>" instead
[10:42] <animimotus> trekdanne: I attempt to compil the QtCurve theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[10:43] <trekdanne> animimotus: ah then "sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev" will probably do
[10:43] <draik> llutz: I just reak it. Very nice. I wish I would have known that installs ago
[10:44] <hydrogen> I'm trying to get kdm to show user names to choose from when logging in and even with the options checked nothing is showing
[10:44] <draik> Is there a way that I can get every topic from MAN into a physical copy (PDF, or printed)?
[10:44] <llutz> draik: google would have told you (if you had asked) ;)
[10:45] <llutz> google is dangerous but helpfull (sometimes)
[10:48] <draik> True... but I think the searchee is more dangerous than the searcher's results.
[10:48] <animimotus> trekdanne: it works, cool, thx
[10:49] <pietras> hello
[10:50] <intelikey> who da networking teacher here ?
[10:50] <zipper> you are!
[10:50] <zipper> =P
[10:50] <pietras> i'm using 1st time kubuntu, i run my adsl connection and i'm proud to be linuxuser :o!
[10:50] <zipper> perhaps you should just ask your question intelikey?
[10:50] <intelikey> what all is needed to share a drive over the lan?
[10:50] <zipper> grats pietras =)
[10:50] <intelikey> zipper i was typping.
[10:50] <pietras> thx :) !
[10:50] <zipper> intelikey, you need samba
[10:51] <zipper> intelikey, if you wanna share with windows that is
[10:51] <intelikey> zipper no M$ in this loop    still need samba ?
[10:51] <jhutchins> intelikey: share to linux/unix only, or to windows/mac as well?
[10:51] <llutz> intelikey: ssh/nfs
[10:51] <zipper> intelikey, you can use nfs instead
[10:51] <zipper> personally, i just use ssh/scp
[10:51] <intelikey> jhutchins yes.
[10:51] <jhutchins> intelikey: I find samba very handy, but it can be a bear to get set up right.  NFS is the all-unix answer.
[10:52] <jhutchins> NFS can be a headache when you are using the same users on different machines because it goes by numeric uid instead of name.
[10:52] <zipper> scp on the other hand is happiness and ease all over the place
[10:53] <zipper> simple install, and it "just works(tm)"
[10:53] <Edulix> zipper: that's without saying the ease of uing fish:// in konqueror
[10:53] <intelikey> i need (or would like to have) one drive that i can mount on /var/cache/apt/archives/   for several boxen    obviously scp would mean many copies of each file and disk space is an issue
[10:54] <zipper> Edulix, hmm? I always use console =S
[10:54] <intelikey> so mounting a remote fs is the Q.     nfs ?
[10:55] <jhutchins> intelikey: nfs or samba.
[10:55] <intelikey> and UID would be 0 for root on all boxes so that shouldn't matter
[10:55] <llutz> intelikey: wouldn't apt-proxy help?
[10:56] <jhutchins> intelikey: Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem.
[10:56] <jhutchins> intelikey: It's onl difficult if you are trying to preserve ownership or user/group access accross systems.
[10:56] <intelikey> llutz that might be an idea.   but i need to learn this anyway
[10:57] <steffen> when i try to listen to my music on xmms, the player doesnt start and when i try clicking on the play button the hole program stops working.. help??
[10:57] <zipper> no idea about xmms, but i prefer using amarok for all my audio needs
[10:58] <intelikey> steffen me either   but that could be that xmms is set to output on the wrong device  ?
[10:59] <steffen> intelikey: read the last part? :)
[11:00] <intelikey> yeah i did,  that's why i said what i said
[11:01] <intelikey> s/said/typed/g
[11:01] <Some_Person> One thing I don't like about KDE is the two-row taskbar
[11:01] <intelikey> you can change that too
[11:02] <steffen> intelikey: i shotdown the program i need to press alt+esc and then kill the prosess :s  ... and i cant get any sound from any audio/video player that i have tryed, but all stop working after i press the play button :s
[11:03] <Some_Person> there we go, smaller taskbar
[11:03] <intelikey> then it's definitely an alsa issue
[11:04] <intelikey> !sound | steffen
[11:04] <ubotu> steffen: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:05] <intelikey> !mp3 | steffen just in case you are trying some restricted format
[11:05] <ubotu> steffen just in case you are trying some restricted format: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:06] <Kein> Alright, guys, I'm ready to install XP.  I've got a NTFS partition; do I set it as the active one before instaling?
[11:06] <underdog5004> Kein, you're installing XP?!?
[11:07] <Kein> Have to.
[11:07] <Kein> =(
[11:07] <Kein> My D&D group runs on a Direct3D-only program.
[11:08] <Kein> And I'm willing to take a few hits to play.
[11:08] <steffen> intelikey: when i pressed the test sound button the System Settings window stoped working to... :O
[11:08] <Kein> That's quite literally one of the only reasons I'm installing.
[11:08] <Kein> Anyways.  Do I need to set the active partition as the NTFS one before installing with the LiveCD?
[11:09] <Some_Person> Can I put a computer/home/trash icon on my desktop?
[11:10] <underdog5004> Kein, I don't think so
[11:10] <underdog5004> just make sure that ntfs partition is bootable
[11:10] <intelikey> steffen yeah go on to the "trubble shooting" section
[11:10] <Kein> Some_Person: You can put Home.  Create New -> Link to Application.
[11:10] <Kein> I think you can put trash, too.
[11:11] <Kein> Basically, what you do is type /home/ when you want it to go to /home/.  I'd suggest /home/*user*/, but meh.
[11:12] <intelikey> Kein NTFS and linux ?   yuck.
[11:12] <Kein> ...XD
[11:12] <Kein> I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to do.
[11:12] <intelikey> but yes the partition needs to be active
[11:12] <Kein> I'm running Kubuntu right now, lulz.  I've got a NTFS partition set aside apart from the other partitions needed for this.
[11:13] <Kein> Alright.  Lemme grab my liveCD and I'll be back soon.
[11:13] <Some_Person> how do you put a trash icon on there?
[11:13] <intelikey> yeah i got all that.      and keep the cd handy cause M$ is gonna hose your boot loader
[11:14] <Some_Person> Oh and can I put seperate KDE and GNOME icons on my desktop?
[11:15] <intelikey> apps are not DE speciffic, if that's your question Some_Person
[11:15] <Some_Person> i know that
[11:15] <Some_Person> i mean can i have seperate desktop icons
[11:16] <intelikey> probably.  not sure how hard that would be to setupj tho
[11:18] <zipper> I get an error when trying to add a class to a c++ project in Kdevelop: "KDevelop not able to add classes to existing header or implementation file". What gives? Stored the project in ~
[11:20] <intelikey> zipper just cause it's stored in ~ doesn't insure write perms   check with ls -l
[11:26] <steffen> intelikey: Thx 4 the help =)
[11:28] <intelikey> steffen get it worked out ?
[11:28] <linux__> how i can set the root password ?
[11:29] <intelikey> linux__   sudo passwd      but before you do  would you like to know why ubuntu team doesnt reccomend doing that ?
[11:29] <intelikey> !root | linux__
[11:29] <ubotu> linux__: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:30] <linux__> intelikey , i try to do this : sudo kwrite text.txt and it askes for the password and i dont know it ... ?
[11:30] <intelikey> linux__ it's "your" password.  not root.
[11:30] <intelikey> !kdesu | linux__
[11:30] <ubotu> linux__: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:31] <anatoly> reboot in emergency mode and set root password
[11:32] <ForgeAus> Hey all been a while since I was here
[11:33] <intelikey> anatoly or read the page   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:33] <Aranel> hey, my adept updater randomly generates errors in repos while i try update them, please help me?
[11:33] <intelikey> pastebin the error/s
[11:33] <intelikey> ForgeAus shalom
[11:33] <Aranel> intelikey: it gives only "error" :)
[11:34] <Aranel> intelikey: it gives in all repos "downloaded" but , randomly in one repo, it gives "error"
[11:34] <intelikey> Aranel  sudo apt-get update      in konsole
[11:34] <Aranel> ok, i'll try :)
[11:36] <Aranel> intelikey: wait, i'll paste it to pastebin :)
[11:37] <Aranel> intelikey: in the logs, "yoksay" = "ignore" in Turkish, "Baland" = "Connected" , "Hata" = "Error" :)
[11:37] <Aranel> intelikey: http://pastebin.com/m7159a4e9
[11:41] <intelikey> Aranel looks like the   "wine.lowvoice.nl"   is the address giving trubble.    and it's unpingable   "ping: unknown host wine.lowvoice.nl"    either the url may be wrong or the server is down...
[11:42] <intelikey> the base address is pingable  so check the url again,
[11:43] <intelikey> they may have dropped support or their reverse dns resolver may be hosed...  idk i'm not a network admin
[11:43] <Aranel> intelikey: :)
[11:43] <Aranel> intelikey: and I have a problem with compiz updates now :)
[11:44] <SubOne> how do i make it so that the tar file does not contain a complete directory structure of the file im taring inside the tar file?
[11:44] <intelikey> either was Aranel the hata (error) was all pointing at "wine.lowvoice.nl"   so check your  "sources.list"
[11:44] <Aranel> intelikey: i updated "compiz-core" , but it still warns me "compiz-core update" . i re-updated, but still gives update warning, and my Compiz Fusion doesn't work now :)
[11:45] <intelikey> Aranel i've seen others mention that,   but don't have the answer,   maybe ask in  #ubuntu-effects    or is it  #kubuntu-effects
[11:45] <Aranel> intelikey: umm, ok.
[11:46] <intelikey> SubOne reletive path ?     cd /where/ever/you/want/to/start  tar -czf filename.tgz ./
[11:47] <SubOne> this is what i have:
[11:47] <SubOne> tar -czf /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/subone_rdf-081707-0331pm_sql.tar.gz /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/subone_rdf-081707-0331pm.sql
[11:47] <SubOne> i dont want to change my pwd
[11:48] <intelikey> SubOne why not ?
[11:48] <intelikey> you can specify full path on the output
[11:48] <SubOne> well... im just not sure i can while im using this in php
[11:49] <intelikey> cd /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/ ;tar -czf ~/something.tgz ./
[11:49] <intelikey> oh.
[11:49] <intelikey> php   i don't know php  so i'll defer to anyone with dias
[11:49] <SubOne> idk, i guess ill try, one sec
[11:51] <flake> what's an intuitive media player, besides VLC - I want to make custom lists I can load and play in memory, like queue-ing up, instead of open this or that playlist from disk
[11:51] <SubOne> well that did work... ty
[11:51] <kaminix> Sometimes when I run multiple videoplayers at once or something like that all videos go blue. They will remain blue no matter how many processes I kill and whichever player I use until I reboot. Anyone know how to solve this?
[11:52] <Cannoli> !ntfs-3g
[11:52] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:52] <Cannoli> hey guys
[11:52] <Cannoli> how do i Enable the universe repository ?
[11:52] <intelikey> flake maybe mplayer  ?
[11:54] <intelikey> kaminix not using kernel frame buffering are you ?   that could cause it.    also a glitch in a vidio driver could but resetting X should fix the second     it wont the first.
[11:54] <intelikey> !repos | Cannoli
[11:54] <ubotu> Cannoli: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:55] <kaminix> intelikey: reseting X does fix it, so it's a glitch in the video driver?
[11:55] <intelikey> kaminix probably.
[11:55] <intelikey> what driver ?
[11:55] <kaminix> hmm, lemme check
[11:56] <intelikey> grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <kaminix> intelikey:         Driver          "i810"
[11:56] <intelikey> grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <intelikey> ok.   and the card is an 800 series ?
[11:57] <kaminix> I think it's 950-something. Don't remember... laptop.
[11:57] <mrksbrd> does anyone use gtkpod for uploading songs to your IPOD???
[11:58] <Cannoli> uhm im having trouble unmounting a drive
[11:58] <Cannoli> i keep getting this error
[11:58] <Cannoli> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sda1 (/dev/sda1) named '59G Media' and currently mounted at /media/Other could not be unmounted. Unmounting failed due to the following error:
[11:58] <Cannoli> Cannot open /media/.hal-mtab
[11:58] <kaminix> intelikey:  I think it's 950-something. Don't remember... laptop.
[11:58] <intelikey> kaminix  lshw -class display
[11:59] <kaminix> intelikey:        product: Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[11:59] <intelikey> kaminix ok give me a sec.
[11:59] <kaminix> Thanks :)
[11:59] <Cannoli> !unmount
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <intelikey> and Cannoli /media/.hal-mtab  <<<<  ?
[11:59] <Cannoli> srry?
[12:00] <intelikey> odd error.
[12:00] <Cannoli> yea
[12:00] <Cannoli> cannot open /medua/,hal-mtab
[12:00] <Cannoli> i have no idea what that means
[12:00] <Cannoli> media*
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: is that drive currently plugged in?
[12:01] <Cannoli> yep
[12:01] <Cannoli> i can open it and access files and everything
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: and can you access it at /media/Other?
[12:01] <Cannoli> but when i right cklik> unmount
[12:01] <Cannoli> tht error comes up
[12:01] <Cannoli> yes i can
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: you can't be browsing it in any other location..
[12:02] <mrksbrd> i'm having trouble mounting my ipod, not sure of the command on how to do it!!!!
[12:03] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: im fairly sure its not being browsed in any otehr location
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: hm ok
[12:04] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: is there any way i can check?
[12:04] <Cannoli> to make sure
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: try running this fromt he command line "sudo umount /media/Other"
[12:05] <Cannoli> sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:05] <kaminix> intelikey: anything?
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> I said "umount"
[12:06] <Cannoli> oops
[12:06] <Cannoli> ok
[12:07] <Cannoli> so now i cant access it
[12:07] <Cannoli> but
[12:07] <Cannoli> the icon is still there
[12:07] <Cannoli> how can i get rid of the icon?
[12:07] <Cannoli> cause i named my windows drive "other" and my other drive "windows"
[12:07] <Cannoli> lmao idiot*
[12:07] <intelikey> kaminix still looking   but you could check  http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&Product   and see if there is any updates...
[12:08] <kaminix> Strange, haven't had this problem 'til now though. I'll take a look
[12:08] <kaminix> But is i810 the right driver
[12:09] <darkstar61> hi all, what is the correct way to recompile just a single module (sg) and to load it in a running system? (i need that according to http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~mpd/sane/sane-canon.html#Download )
[12:09] <intelikey> kaminix what kernel version ?    uname -r
[12:09] <kaminix> intelikey: 2.6.20-16-generic
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> darkstar61: fairly easy... just don't update your kernel:)
[12:10] <darkstar61>  i downloaded the sources and modified the sg.c
[12:11] <darkstar61> but when i try to make sg i get errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34108/
[12:11] <kaminix> intelikey: Is this what I should be looking at? http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[12:12] <intelikey> yeah probably i'm still sifting through bug reports.      such as  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/9687
[12:12] <trekdanne> darkstar61: hmm you've obviously read the Linux Modules Howto - over @ LDAP
[12:13] <darkstar61> obviously five believers... :)
[12:13] <stoned> bung tutty
[12:14] <stoned> um
[12:14] <stoned> nm that, wrong channel
[12:14] <kaminix> intelikey: How do I compile an xorg driver? Isn't it like... really hard?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> darkstar61: no clue :)
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[12:15] <darkstar61> *d
[12:15] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: im trying to save my xorg.conf file