[12:27] <bdmurray> Is there a way to move an attachment from one bug report to another?
[12:28] <thumper> not that I know of
[01:25] <tokj> is launchpad in maintenance or something? i keep getting OOPSes
[01:36] <jordi> that doesn't sound like maintenance
[01:55] <tck> lol..
[01:55] <jordi> I mean, there must be some problem, nothing scheduled
[01:55] <jordi> but I can't tell you more than that
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #133089 in launchpad "Unused BugTask target types complicating and slowing down Launchpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133089
[08:36] <carlos> morning
[09:12] <poolie> launchpad seems to be consistently timing out for me....
[09:12] <jamesh> poolie: for a particular page, or more generally?
[09:12] <poolie> searching for 'tag' in bzr bugs
[09:13] <poolie> well it did it three times in a row at least
[10:13] <mrevell> Morning all
[10:14] <Hobbsee> morning mrevell!
[10:21] <mrevell> morning Hobbsee! Hey, you know you've done too much irc when you try to tab auto-complete the word morning.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: :D
[10:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: i havent tried that yet
[10:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: I regular find myself getting frustrated when pressing tab, and then realising that auto-complete works for nicks, not for the entire English language.
[10:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: OpenOffice does it, though :)
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:21] <Hobbsee> indeed it does - i was quite surprised
[10:24] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Yeah, it's the sort of feature that annoyed me at first, particularly if it chose the wrong word, but now I miss it. I wish my pen would auto-complete too.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:02] <Hobbsee> mrevell: any idea if there are plans to split otu team email and person email in the future?
[11:03] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hmm, I writing a short guide to the X-Launchpad... headers today. Erm, I don't know of a plan but I can ask.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> mrevell: thunderbird will sometimes filter it correctly.  iv'e also tried to ge tthe server sieve to work.  we'll see if behaves.
[11:09] <carlos> Hobbsee: I use sieve already and works quite well
[11:09] <Hobbsee> carlos: can you give me the syntax of your sieve stuff?  my sieve-foo isnt so great
[11:10] <carlos> I use squirrelmail's plugin to manage sieve servers
[11:11] <carlos> but I think I could get the script it generates and show you it...
[11:11] <Hobbsee> oh, i think i've figured it out
[11:11] <carlos> s/sieve servers/sieve rules/
[11:12] <carlos> then, do you still need my filter rule examples?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> it'd be helpful, but it's not essential
[12:49] <carlos> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34037/
[12:50] <Hobbsee> carlos: ah right.  yes, i was more wondering about the field names.  thanks
[12:54] <carlos> Hobbsee: http://www.squirrelmail.org/countdl.php?fileurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.squirrelmail.org%2Fplugins%2Favelsieve-1.9.7.tar.gz
[12:54] <carlos> Hobbsee: that's the tool I use to manage rules and it should have most of the field names information
[12:54] <Hobbsee> right, OK
[01:43] <SteveA> mrevell: where's the list of mini specs for the doc project?
[01:44] <mrevell> SteveA: Just a moment.
[01:45] <mrevell> SteveA: https://launchpad.canonical.com/UserDocumentation
[01:46] <SteveA> mrevell: we need to move this to a public wiki
[01:46] <SteveA> otherwise, we won't get help on it
[01:46] <mrevell> SteveA: Sorry, gave you the wrong link: https://help.launchpad.net/DocumentationSpecs
[01:47] <Hobbsee> SteveA: i doubt you will anyway, unless you play your cards carefully.
[01:48] <SteveA> Hobbsee: why is that?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> SteveA: because launchpad is a closed source project.
[01:49] <Hobbsee> SteveA: so people go "oh, i cant do anything with that"
[01:50] <SteveA> "quick start guide"
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:51] <SteveA> people have written books and websites and blogs on ways to use google better
[01:52] <jordi> oio SteveA!
[01:52] <SteveA> and I never hear anyone say of google "it's closed source, so I can't do anything with that"
[01:52] <Hobbsee> granted, but search engines are different - in that there are more of them, where the same principles apply in exactly the same way.
[01:52] <SteveA> what about google maps
[01:52] <SteveA> same applies
[01:52] <SteveA> jordi: hoi!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> SteveA: okay.  i may be wrong.
[01:53] <jordi> Hobbsee: there's many arguments to waive re: launchpad's non-freeness, but "can't do anything with it" is bogus. google is a perfect example. They use FS to build their zillion apps, but they are not free. Everyone loves them though.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> jordi: this is true.  i wonder why those who whinge about launchpad not being free dont do the same about google.
[01:54] <SteveA> google has pretty good APIs
[01:55] <SteveA> launchpad has pretty crap APIs
[01:55] <SteveA> we're changing this though -- in 2 weeks, a bunch of us are meeting in florida
[01:55] <SteveA> to start a project to make some useful open APIs and libraries for Launchpad
[01:56] <jordi> google, even though it's becoming a frightening information monster, is "cool". Launchpad is in the Linux distro wars fight, so not everyone is happy to defend it. I guess? :)
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Something's actually happening about that? Yay!
[01:56] <SteveA> to help people embed information from Launchpad in web pages, and write new programs to talk to launchpad
[01:56] <jordi> SteveA: woa, that's pretty cool
[01:56] <Fujitsu> SteveA: All I can say is `finally'
[01:56] <SteveA> Fujitsu: I'm glad you approve!
[01:57] <jordi> I wonder if my little list of "things Rosetta can do when there's a good way of exporting stuff" is still in the laptop
[01:57] <SteveA> jordi: please send it to me
[01:58] <Hobbsee> that sounds cool @ the APIs, etc.
[01:58] <jordi> SteveA: if I find it, I fear it was in a partition I blew up
[01:58] <jordi> but I'll look for it
[01:59] <jordi> a little chat between the rosetta people would come up with the ideas pretty fast I guess
[02:01] <SteveA> jordi: if you come up with anything, let me know
[02:01] <Hobbsee> presumably the documentation wont need to change much, if launchpad stays working the same way
[02:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[02:01] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hi mpt 
[02:10] <jordi> SteveA: will do
[02:11] <jordi> SteveA: once I know more about what the APIs can offer, ideas should flow
[03:26] <Rinchen> ping jordi / laserjock
[03:29] <Rinchen> unping jordi
[03:31] <Hobbsee> laserjock's not on irc or on jabber..
[03:36] <Rinchen> Yeah I always seem to get those two confused. :-)  I need laserjock.  I usually seem him on the fridge channel in about 2 hours from now. Just being hopeful :-)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Rinchen: just get him to move to au, and he'll be doing all sorts of crazy timezones
[03:38] <Rinchen> :-)
[03:39] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Are you still awake? :)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mrevell: no.  i irc over sleeping-brainwaves
[03:39] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hey, I'd like to see the paper describing that.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mrevell: well, ther'es already one for IP over carrier pidgeon
[03:41] <jordi> Rinchen: you mix me up with laserjock? That's interesting ;)
[03:43] <Rinchen> Not that you to look a like mind you
[03:43] <jordi> hehe
[03:43] <jordi> I don't know laserjock
[03:43] <Hobbsee> oh wait, there was probably a MOTU one
[03:44] <jordi> but in any case, I'm off!
[05:03] <LucidFox> How do I enable support for Launchpad translations for a Qt application using .ts/.qm files?
[05:04] <LucidFox> (I'm its upstream developer, and it has a package in Ubuntu)
[05:06] <Rinchen> carlos, danilos, ^^
[05:07] <carlos> LucidFox: you will need to use a script to convert from ts/qm files to .po files
[05:07] <carlos> I think it's called ts2po
[05:07] <carlos> Rinchen: thanks
[05:08] <Rinchen> thanks carlos - I didn't know the answer to that one.
[05:08] <Rinchen> that's in the translate package right?
[05:08] <carlos> LucidFox: once you get the .pot and any .po with current existing translations you could upload them into Launchpad and we will approve it
[05:08] <carlos> Rinchen: I think so, yes. Not sure...
[05:08] <Rinchen> great, thanks
[05:11] <carlos> Rinchen: translate-toolkit
[05:11] <carlos> LucidFox: ^^^
[05:11] <Rinchen> that's the one
[05:21] <Philip5> any admins for the dogfood server around?
[05:22] <Rinchen> cprov, ^^
[05:23] <Philip5> i'm waiting for a reply on my request for a account on the dogfood server from matthew and was hoping to get a chance to setup upp my PPA this weekend. anyone know if he comes here?
[05:23] <cprov> Philip5: hi, what's your account in LP ?
[05:24] <Philip5> cprov: Philip5 
[05:25] <Philip5> philip5 if it's case sensitive
[05:26] <Philip5> got my pgp-key and signed the CoC on LP
[05:28] <LucidFox> I processed the Russian translation I made, and the .po and .pot files are identical for some reason
[05:28] <cprov> Philip5: you should have said https://launchpad.net/~philip71 ;)
[05:28] <LucidFox> (I did try the -P switch for the .pot file)
[05:28] <Philip5> oh
[05:28] <Philip5> cprov: right.. that's th ur but i checked my login name :)
[05:29] <cprov> Philip5: that was your 'displayname', but np ... let see how can I transport your data
[05:30] <Philip5> cprov: that would be great :)
[05:37] <cprov> Philip5: you should be able to login now, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~philip71
[05:37] <Philip5> i'll give it a try.. hold on
[05:38] <Philip5> cprov: works great! thanks!
[05:39] <cprov> Philip5: wait, I have other parts to copy (CoC & GPG)
[05:39] <Philip5> should i log out?
[05:39] <cprov> Philip5: btw, you have to sort your membership in launchpad-beta-testers in production with mrevell.
[05:39] <Philip5> ok
[05:39] <mrevell> Hi, how can I help?
[05:39] <cprov> Philip5: no, you can stay logged in 
[05:40] <superm1> cprov, is there a reason why when building on a PPA a script in /usr/share/PACKAGE/bin/SCRIPT_NAME would be marked -rw-r--r-- root/root, when in my pbuilder it turns out -rwxr-xr-x root/root.  Exact same source package
[05:42] <cprov> superm1: not that I know, check for 'sbuild' weirdness with infinity
[05:42] <superm1> k cprov thx
[05:45] <mrevell> Hi Philip5 - I'm trying to find an email from you. What name would it be under?
[05:45] <LucidFox> All right, I have the .po and .pot files ready - how do I upload them to LP?
[05:46] <Philip5> mrevell: philip71
[05:46] <Philip5> mrevell: philip71@ <mymailadress>
[05:48] <Philip5> mrevell: sent yesterday i think and it's a reply on the general info about dogfood
[05:48] <mrevell> Philip5: Thanks. I've found an email that I sent to you on Wednesday explaining what you need to do next. It looks as though you no whave a 
[05:48] <mrevell> Philip5: Hmm, I can't see that
[05:48] <mrevell> Philip5: Anyway, not to worry, let's get your sorted in the beta team. 
[05:49] <Philip5> mrevell: am i already classed as spam?!?! ;)
[05:49] <Philip5> mrevell: that would be great... i will start to upload som stuff to it this weekend
[05:50] <mrevell> Philip5: Cool! To join the beta team, you need to do a couple of things first. I'll send you an email now that explains.
[05:50] <Philip5> ok
[05:50] <mrevell> Philip5: It's a standard email that I send to everyone who wants/needs to join the beta team. Let me know when you get it.
[05:51] <Philip5> mrevell: got it now
[05:51] <mrevell> Philip5: great.
[05:53] <Philip5> mrevell: do you just want a confirmation and an accept of that mail as an reply?
[05:53] <mrevell> Philip5: please
[05:58] <Philip5> mrevell: i now just sent the confirmation
[05:59] <Philip5> mrevell: but i guess i can publish the PPA adress for my repro to friends as long as the how it's made are not made public?
[06:00] <mrevell> Philip5: Yes, you can definitely share the PPA URL.
[06:00] <Philip5> great
[06:00] <mrevell> Philip5: The privacy side of things applies more to other features we test, as we've already spoken to the press about PPA.
[06:01] <Philip5> i understand
[06:01] <mrevell> Philip5: However, we'd still prefer it if people don't blog about the details of PPA as they could change by the time we launch, and it could get confusing.
[06:01] <mrevell> Philip5: Right, I'll go look at your email and get you in the team.
[06:02] <mrevell> Philip5: Oh, could you please change your display name in production Launchpad and dogfood Launchpad to your full real name?
[06:02] <mrevell> Philip5: We ask you to do this for a couple of reasons:
[06:02] <Philip5> mrevell: no problem
[06:02] <mrevell> Philip5: It makes it easier for us to communicate with beta testers, to tell you about new features to test, etc
[06:03] <mrevell> Philip5: and we feel it's more appropriate as we're asking you to agree not to talk publicly about the features.
[06:03] <mrevell> Philip5: thanks.
[06:04] <Philip5> mrevell: done
[06:05] <mrevell> Philip5: Sorry, but it looks as though it still says "philip5" as your display name in your main Launchpad profile - i.e. your non-dogfood profile.
[06:07] <Philip5> mrevell: chould i change it on the non-testing LP-server too?
[06:07] <Philip5> should even...
[06:07] <mrevell> Philip5: Yes please.
[06:08] <Philip5> mrevell: done
[06:08] <mrevell> Philip5: thanks :)
[06:08] <mrevell> Philip5: I'll add you to the team now.
[06:09] <Philip5> do i need to add myself to the launchpad-users list or is the betalist seperate?
[06:11] <mrevell> Philip5: I've added you to the team both on main Launchpad and dogfood. Yeah, please join launchpad-users ... that's where all the beta discussion happens.
[06:11] <Philip5> ok, then i do that too
[06:14] <Philip5> mrevell: do i understand it right if all packages should be labeled as universe/devel in section of the debian control file nomatter what kind of package it is?
[06:14] <mrevell> Philip5: Thanks. Welcome to the Launchpad beta team. If you have any questions, please mail the launchpad-users list. Take a look through the recent archive for that list, too, as you'll see some of the discussion that's already taken place.
[06:15] <mrevell> Philip5: I'm afraid I'll have to ask one of my colleagues to help you with this. cprov is the developer who has been working on PPA. I tihnk he may be at lunch right now, though.
[06:16] <Philip5> mrevell: so far the only thing i can think of is learnig the dput tool as i haven't uploaded that way before but i guess it's pretty straight forward
[06:16] <mrevell> Philip5: Have you seen the PPA quick-start guide? https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[06:17] <Philip5> mrevell: hmm, lunch? where are you guys at geographicly? in the u.s?
[06:17] <Philip5> mrevell: i just read it
[06:17] <mrevell> Philip5: I'm in the UK, cprov is in Brazil.
[06:18] <mrevell> Philip5: As a team, we have members in Australia, New Zealand, the US, France, Spain, Luxembourg, The Netherlands ... I'm trying to think if I've missed anywhere.
[06:19] <Philip5> then someone from the team should be around almost at any time of day :)
[06:21] <mrevell> Philip5: Pretty much, yes :)
[06:30] <Philip5> cprov-lunch: please let me know when you are back from lunch as i have a couple of question about the build process... mainly how the buildserver/PPA server knows how to use dependencies of packages that i updated and have on my own PPA so it doesn't get built just against the official packages in the ubuntu repros
[06:39] <mpt> Brazil!
[06:40] <mpt> oh, you said Brazil
[06:44] <mwhudson> lithuania and germany, i think?
[07:42] <Philip5> cprov: are you there?
[07:42] <cprov> Philip5: yup
[07:43] <Philip5> i just made my first dput to my ppa
[07:43] <Philip5> just wondering how long i have to wait for a accept or reject?
[07:43] <cprov> Philip5: congrats ! the processor runs in batches every 20 minutes (:00, :20, :40)
[07:43] <Philip5> dput didn't complain about the upload
[07:44] <Philip5> ok so i have to wait about 20 min before i can know if it's in que?
[07:46] <cprov> Philip5: 15 minutes ;) 
[07:47] <Philip5> cprov: ok... but if i upload sourcepackages that are dependent on a package i just uploaded do i have to wait for a confirm that it got built ok before my next package can build with the first package as dependency?
[07:48] <Philip5> will be rather tedious if i have to wait 15 min between every package... just a thought...
[07:48] <cprov> Philip5: you don't necessarily have to wait, the sources will find their way inside soyuz. If you have another package upload it.
[07:49] <Philip5> cprov: am i right that it only builds about the main repro and my ppa repro and don't use packages found in universe or mulitverse?
[07:50] <Philip5> cprov: if so... is there a way to make my ppa able to fetch from i e multiverse?
[07:50] <cprov> Philip5: no, it does use all components, respecting ogre-model (main sources can only build-dep from other main binaries, universe source can only build-depend on main+restricted+universe binaires, and so on)
[07:52] <cprov> Philip5: only sources target to multiverse or universe can build-dep on binaries in universe, according to what I've just said. So if you want to build-dep on universe binaries you have to upload your source to universe ->  "Section: universe/<section>" trick in debian/control
[07:53] <Philip5> aha, so if i use ie universe/libs in debian/control then it can fetch or do fetch from universe?
[07:54] <cprov> Philip5: don't panic, it's all in ubuntu-packaging-guide and a special compilation of it for PPA users is coming.
[07:54] <cprov> Philip5: exactly, you got it.
[07:54] <Philip5> ok, great
[08:04] <cprov> Philip5: I've not seen your upload ...
[08:04] <Philip5> cprov: i'm also starting to worry about if something is wrong
[08:05] <Philip5> cprov: i used: "incoming = ~philip71/ubuntu/"   in  my .dput.cf
[08:06] <Philip5> i hope that is right? it's the first time i use dput
[08:06] <cprov> Philip5: fqdn ?
[08:06] <Philip5> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[08:07] <Philip5> and the login = anonymous as i read in the quickstart
[08:07] <cprov> Philip5: that's right, what does dput say  when you run it ?
[08:09] <Philip5> cprov: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34088/
[08:10] <cprov> Philip5: Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com) <- !!!
[08:11] <Philip5> woohoaa, where did he get that from?
[08:11] <cprov> Philip5: the default target
[08:12] <cprov> Philip5: you have to use `dput <target> <changesfile>`
[08:12] <cprov> Philip5: btw, I can see you package reject in ubuntu, you should have gotten an message
[08:13] <Philip5> oh, and the target is the [my-ppa]  in .dput.cf?
[08:13] <cprov> dput my-ppa <changesfile>
[08:13] <Philip5> hehe, true... i just saw the mail frn the ubuntu server :)
[08:14] <cprov> Philip5: bash_completion will your friend ;)
[08:14] <Philip5> i'll give it a new shot :)
[08:15] <Philip5> now it gave me the right ftp to upload on 
[08:15] <Philip5> learn something new every day... today i learned how to use dput... yeaiiii :)
[08:15] <cprov> "frn" obligated me to desperately clean my screen, ehe ... long we haven't touch each other.
[08:17] <cprov> Philip5: there we go, our sources are there, 3 minutes and counting.
[08:18] <Philip5> wooohoo
[08:18] <Philip5> my first build will be the brand new rtorrent :)
[08:19] <Philip5> tought it would be a good one to try out the ppa with
[08:21] <cprov> Philip5: "rtorrent is ... ideal to use with screen", interesting ...
[08:21] <Philip5> yes
[08:22] <cprov> Philip5: I think you have a big ACCEPTED email in you inbox :)
[08:22] <Philip5> right now i'm setting up a extra pbuilder chroot for the builds against my ppa so i can make a better check before i upload
[08:22] <Philip5> wooohooo
[08:23] <cprov> that's what I can see also in https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~philip71/+archive
[08:23] <Philip5> me too :D
[08:23] <Philip5> hehe this is both cool and fun :)
[08:24] <cprov> Philip5: uhm ... a pbuilder chroot including your PPA is a very good idea. Although it consumes some disk.
[08:25] <Philip5> yes but i think it's worth it
[08:25] <cprov> Philip5: one day PPA will be so easy that you won't need to bore yourself with local setup. Coming soon.
[08:25] <Philip5> nice
[08:37] <cprov> Philip5: I have to leave now, your builds are already created, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~philip71/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all and should be processed as soon as builders get idle.
[08:37] <cprov> Philip5: good luck and bye.
[08:38] <cprov-out> Philip5: well, they're already building, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/
[08:39] <Philip5> cprov-out: cool :)
[08:59] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search a bug watch like https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs ?
[09:22] <gmb> bdmurray: Hi. I assume you want to search within the bugs that have watches against a particular bug tracker, yes?
[09:32] <bdmurray> Why yes, that is what I was looking for.