[12:34] <martalli> I amin the middle of upgrading and the only real probems that have cropped up so far is that almst anything related to LyX has failed.
[12:34] <lontra> what's the proper way to install compiz-fusion in kde?
[12:39] <MacSlow> can somebody tell me what happende to the prism54 driver for gutsy?
[12:55] <DShepherd> MacSlow, try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[12:55] <MacSlow> DShepherd, will do
[12:55] <DShepherd> kool
[01:07] <ccooke> Hmm. It's odd how a good desktop effects config actually makes using the system *nicer*. Prettier I expected, but easier and nicer...
[01:10] <martalli> uh-oh - u-m -d failed on me...right at the end of the installing updates phase
[01:10] <martalli> oh why, oh why did I install Lyx?
[01:14] <RAOF> ccooke: You will wrest the Scale plugin from my cold, dead hands.
[01:14] <martalli> If u-m -d failed after installation was complete, but before the reconfiguring etc, have I missed anythign too important?
[01:15] <keram> hey
[01:15] <keram> how come when i try to do bluetooth chat it doesnt prompt me for a passkey?
[01:15] <keram> it just says connection refused
[01:15] <keram> with an error code 111
[01:17] <keram> Connection error (111).
[01:29] <martalli> How can I check to see if my system will be bootable?
[01:29] <martalli> I did get this out of one of several apt-get updates: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[01:29] <martalli> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-9-386
[01:32] <martalli> When I look at grub.lst, 2.6.22 is listed.  Should I be OK to reboot?  When u-m failed on me it said "your system may be in an unusable state"
[01:40] <keram> martalli, i think it will be fine, there should always been a 'recovery mode' in grub just in case it doesnt work
[01:41] <keram> so if the first one doesnt boot
[01:41] <keram> you can just boot the recovery and fix the problem
[01:42] <dhgwill> curious if anyone else's copy of /lib/linux-sound-modules/noOSS.modprobe.conf is borked? i was getting these nonsense messages at bootup about skipping bad lines, so i just copied the file from my feisty install... how does something like that get messed up?
[01:42] <dhgwill> (er, the messages were actually about bed lines in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-oss or something)
[01:51] <martalli> OK - I will see you all on the other side
[02:07] <ribando_> hi everyone
[02:11] <ribando_> is there someone that can answer a few of my questions?
[02:13] <ccooke> RAOF: In my case, I'm really loving 5 desktops, 50% transparent desktop cube with skydome.
[02:13] <ipx> just state them if you want em answered
[02:13] <ccooke> RAOF: And cube reflection, which adds some realism.
[02:15] <ribando_> I read somewhere that gutsy gibbon comes with compiz-fusion, but I've just installed it, and I can't even see where do I change de window manager. I got Gutsy Tribe 4
[02:15] <ribando_> can someone help?
[02:16] <dhgwill> ribando, you shouldn't have to install anything.
[02:16] <RAOF> ribando_: System->Preferences->Appearance->Desktop Effects.
[02:16] <dhgwill> (second that)
[02:16] <RAOF> ribando_: And you might want to install compizconfig-settings-manager.
[02:18] <ribando_> dhgwill that's the first thing I tried after installing it, but I only get 3 options there which are "no effect, normal effect and extra effect", I choose extra effect and nothing happens.
[02:19] <ribando_> RAOF that's the first thing I tried after installing it, but I only get 3 options there which are "no effect, normal effect and extra effect", I choose extra effect and nothing happens.
[02:19] <RAOF> ribando_: Right.
[02:19] <RAOF> So, you can rotate the cube and stuff?
[02:20] <RAOF> (Wobbly windows are disabled by default)
[02:21] <ribando_> RAOF that's what I found very strange, once I enabled extra effects, I tried to rotate the cube, and nothing, not even wobbly windows.
[02:21] <RAOF> Hm.
[02:21] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the output of "compiz --replace" ?
[02:22] <ribando_> RAOF even whithout compiz-fusion, I should be able to rotate the cube. I got feisty fawn in another laptop, and before I installed compiz-fusion I could still rotate the cube...
[02:23] <ribando_> RAOF it seems that I dont even have Xgl
[02:23] <ribando_> RAOF where do u want me to paste the output?
[02:23] <RAOF> ribando_: That's fine.  You probably don't need Xgl.
[02:23] <RAOF> !pastebin
[02:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:24] <dhgwill> ribando_: i actually needed to install xgl, thanks to my nvidia card...
[02:25] <ribando_> dhgwill I got an ATI card.lol
[02:26] <RAOF> dhgwill: You shouldn't *need* xgl with an nvidia card
[02:26] <ribando_> RAOF the address for the pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34007/
[02:27] <RAOF> ribando_: Ah, right.  You do need xgl.
[02:27] <RAOF> !howto #ubuntu-effects
[02:27] <RAOF> Gah.
[02:27] <RAOF> ribando_: help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[02:28] <ribando_> RAOF lol...
[02:30] <ribando_> RAOF there is something on my "restricted drivers manager" that is not in used.it's "lirc_gpio".it's enabled but its not in use.do u know what that is?
[02:31] <RAOF> ribando_: It's an IR driver, ignore it.
[02:33] <ribando_> RAOF thanks
[02:35] <ameyer> that'd be a bug?
[02:36] <RAOF> Dunno.  He may well have some IR hardware :)
[02:36] <ameyer> I have it too, and I don't
[02:37] <ribando_> RAOF ahahaha...that's a very  complicated way of installing it.lol
[02:38] <RAOF> ribando_: What, Xgl?
[02:38] <RAOF> ribando_: That's pretty much as simple as it gets, at least until my new xgl package is finished & uploaded.
[02:39] <martalli> I updated to gutsy from a feisty install, and now X is failing...but my real problem is comething more basic.
[02:39] <martalli> Every 1-2 seconds, the screen outputs 50-60 lines along the lines of "device-mapper: table: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[02:40] <ribando_> RAOF but then, it has something like the way xgl will start and some dbus-11 or something like that...lol
[02:41] <RAOF> ribando_: If you can wait a bit, installing Xgl on Gutsy will be as simple as "sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl xsession-xgl-gnome"
[02:41] <martalli> Althought he constantly scrolling screen is hard to work with, I finally killed the udevd process and the errorr messages stopped...but that doesn't seem like the cleanest approach
[02:58] <ribando_> RAOF still there?
[02:58] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:58] <RAOF> Generally a better idea to just ask the question, though.
[02:58] <ribando_> someone told me something about a minute ago...my computer crashed, I couldnt see what was said.lol
[02:59] <ribando_> RAOF I've just installed xgl, do u know what do I do after that?
[03:00] <ribando_> RAOF if not, can u give me the name of that channel that u gave me before?
[03:00] <RAOF> #ubuntu-effects?
[03:01] <RAOF> ribando_: Anyway, after you've got it set up as in the !howto, you just need to select the Xgl session before logging in.
[03:01] <ribando_> RAOF aaahhh...is it that simple?lol
[03:01] <ribando_> RAOF didnt have to do none of this stuff with the other laptop.lol
[03:01] <RAOF> ribando_: Yup.  Ati sucks.
[03:02] <ribando_> RAOF but do I still have to install compiz fusion?
[03:02] <RAOF> No, it's already installed
[03:03] <ribando_> RAOD I'm just finishing downloading Sabayon 3.26...its amazing, it comes pre installed with beryl and everything...its an incredibly fast distro :o
[03:03] <ribando_> RAOF I'm just finishing downloading Sabayon 3.26...its amazing, it comes pre installed with beryl and everything...its an incredibly fast distro :o
[03:03] <RAOF> Also, non-legal, from what I recall.
[03:04] <ribando_> RAOF is it non legal?
[03:04] <ribando_> RAOF I thought this stuff was supposed to be free...u know...linux stuff... :o!lol
[03:04] <RAOF> ribando_: Well, if it comes with the fglrx drivers pre-installed I think that's against the licence.
[03:05] <ribando_> RAOF humn...better give some reading to that :o!.thanks for telling me that :o
[03:06] <ribando_> RAOF one more thing...everytime I start my gutsy, I have to type in my passphrase for the wifi connectivity
[03:06] <RAOF> ribando_: libpam-keyring.  I'm not sure if it's installed by default or not.
[03:07] <ribando_> RAOF and then, the connection fails, and it asks me again for the passphrase, only then, it asks me for the keyring...isnt there a way of doing it automatically?
[03:07] <RAOF> Um, no idea really.  File a bug :)
[03:07] <ribando_> RAOF in my feisty, when I start it, I inly need to type in the keyring once, and the wifi connects straight away
[03:08] <ribando_> RAOF ...lol...whats that "libpam-keyring"?
[03:08] <ribando_> !libpam-keyring
[03:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libpam-keyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> I though such things were stored by kwallet?
[03:09] <ribando_> !kwallet
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <yuriy> should the restricted manager on kubuntu gutsy work to install nvidia drivers?
[03:09] <ribando_> nosrednaokim I never had to do this before, in my feisty all I do is type it in once, and it connects straight away
[03:10] <ribando_> RAOF ...lol...whats that "libpam-keyring"?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: yep!
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ribando_: hmm ok
[03:11] <yuriy> i click the checkbox, adept pops up, disappears, and the checkbox gets unchecked again
[03:12] <RAOF> !pam-keyring
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pam-keyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <RAOF> !pamkeyring
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pamkeyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <Pici> !info pam-keyring
[03:12] <ubotu> Package pam-keyring does not exist in gutsy
[03:13] <ribando_> be right back
[03:14] <kelsa|martalli> I upgraded to gutsy, but there is no "desktop-effects" apprently available in the System->Preferences menu
[03:15] <kelsa|martalli> Is it somewhere else?  I looked in synaptic, and there is a "desktop-effects" package, but it has no information, no version number, and no little ubuntu symbol that I would expect from such a major pckage
[03:15] <RAOF> kelsa|martalli: That's because it's in Appearance
[03:15] <kelsa|martalli> danke
[03:15] <RAOF> bitte
[03:16] <kelsa|martalli> "Desktop effects could not be enabled"
[03:16] <kelsa|martalli> I believe I am running the nvidia driver....
[03:17] <RAOF> kelsa|martalli: Try #ubuntu-effects, I can't help you right now
[03:17] <kelsa|martalli> no problem, thx
[03:19] <ribando_> RAOF I'm back.lol
[03:20] <ribando_>  RAOF I tried to login using xgl session, but nothing, the only options I got are "last session, Xclient script, GNOME, failsafegnome, and another failsafe".
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> ribando_: it might be Xclient script... depending on what you called it.
[03:25] <darkstar61> hi all, i have a problem with a scsi scanner (canoscan 2700)... it seems visible by the system
[03:25] <darkstar61> darkstar61@darkstar-1:~$ dmesg |grep scsi
[03:25] <darkstar61> [   32.114068]  scsi0 : ACARD AEC-6710/6712/67160 PCI Ultra/W/LVD SCSI-3 Adapter Driver V2.6+ac
[03:25] <darkstar61> [   32.131852]  scsi 0:0:1:0: Scanner           CANON    IX-27015C        1.15 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[03:26] <darkstar61> but when i run quiteinsane 8or kooka) the device is not found...
[03:27] <darkstar61> even sane-find-scanner finds it...
[03:28] <darkstar61> but not the front-ends...
[03:29] <darkstar61> the /dev/sg0 is rw owned by scanner group and my user is in that group...
[03:30] <darkstar61> i'm running gutsy fully upgraded...
[03:31] <darkstar61> any clue...?
[03:34] <ribando_> nosrednaekim depending on what I called it?lol
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> exactly
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> ribando_: was that it? (sorry I had to switch from gutsy to fiesty)
[03:35] <ribando_> nosrednaekim what exactly do u mean by that?the only thing I did ws install xgl, but I dont know how to start a session with xgl
[03:35] <ribando_> nosrednaekim sorry my ignorance on the xgl stuff :o.lol
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> ribando_: oh... you just installed it..lol. I can't really help you though because I am using Kubuntu/KDM and you are using GDM so things will be different
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> in other words... go to #ubuntu-effects
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> or maybe google for a tutorial
[03:38] <ribando_> nosrednaekim oki doki, thanks...
[03:38] <ribando_> RAOF hey there...r u still here?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> sorry I couldn't be of more help
[04:03] <fsckr> so far im liking gutsy :)
[04:05] <keeganX> Hi everyone, could someone help me out with a compiz-fusion problem?
[04:06] <fsckr> keeganX, i can try
[04:07] <keeganX> When I click on Extra Effects in the Appearance Preferences it never starts and goes back to metacity
[04:08] <keeganX> I tried running it in the terminal and I get this http://www.pastebin.org/667
[04:08] <keeganX> I am also using Nvidias Legacy drivers, but I remembered they worked with Beryl when I was using Feisty.
[04:08] <fsckr> you have direct rendering?
[04:09] <keeganX> How would I know if I had that?
[04:09] <fsckr> open up terminal and type glxinfo
[04:09] <fsckr> it should say
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> legacy requires XGL....
[04:09] <keeganX> It says it is missing.
[04:10] <keeganX> I know to install xgl?
[04:10] <fsckr> keeganX, did you must install gutsy
[04:10] <keeganX> need*
[04:10] <fsckr> must = just
[04:10] <fsckr> :)
[04:10] <keeganX> Yeah I just installed tribe 4 about 3 hours ago
[04:10] <iblicf> aha,, i hava compiz question also ,,,that is how to stop it,,, and how to prevent it auto start ... :)
[04:10] <fsckr> all i did was in synaptic click on search
[04:10] <fsckr> and type in nvidia-glx
[04:10] <fsckr> i found the 9755 drivers and installed
[04:11] <iblicf> keeganX,  glxinfo|grep render
[04:11] <fsckr> edited my xorg and restarted x
[04:11] <fsckr> he doesn't have it iblicf
[04:11] <keeganX> iblicf: It says its missing
[04:11] <iblicf> o i c
[04:11] <fsckr> keegan do what i did
[04:11] <keeganX> fsckr: I have older hardware and the new drivers don't work I believe.
[04:11] <fsckr> what vid card?
[04:12] <fsckr> 9755 isn't all that new the newest ones are 100.X.X.X
[04:12] <keeganX> Oh okay..
[04:12] <fsckr> besides there are older ones in synaptic
[04:12] <keeganX> I'll will do that for sure.
[04:12] <fsckr> i just choose 9755
[04:12] <keeganX> right now
[04:15] <iblicf> sorry to interrupt ...can i stop the compiz and prevent it from autostart ,,i use grep -r ,,but could not find where is the config
[04:15] <keeganX> Alright I will be right back with my results
[04:16] <fsckr> iblicf, umm system<preferences<appearance
[04:17] <fsckr> then go to desktop affects tab and disable effects
[04:17] <iblicf> fsckr, wha't that mean :)
[04:17] <iblicf> fsckr,  menu ?
[04:17] <fsckr> top right
[04:17] <fsckr> applications places system
[04:18] <fsckr> click on system
[04:18] <fsckr> preferences
[04:18] <iblicf> ic ,,but it must be somewhere configure
[04:18] <fsckr> install fusion-icon you can turn it off and on all you want
[04:18] <iblicf> it's not a service ,,and ..bashprofile not found
[04:21] <DanaG> Where is fusion-icon?
[04:22] <iblicf> fsckr,  ,,ok ,no effect will disable it ...thanx ,,seems that compiz have integrated to the gnomeX
[04:23] <fsckr> yes iblicf compiz is part of gutsy
[04:24] <fsckr> i use fusion-icon to turn it off and on when I want or need it :)
[04:25] <iblicf> fsckr,  that is a little  delay with my mouse reaction ,, i dont know why ,,so i want to stop it
[04:28] <shirish> in the old NM, there was a /etc/network/resolv.conf now that seems to have gone for a toss, does anybody know where the DNS entries are stored anymore?
[04:31] <iblicf> shirish,  there still have resolv.conf  /etc ...seems gutsy have local DNS cache by default
[04:32] <shirish> iblicf: what do you mean gutsy has local DNS cache by default
[04:33] <shirish> iblicf: also I haven't been able to find resolv.conf in /etc/network/ it shows me just interfaces & 4 directories which are for wireless stuff.
[04:33] <iblicf> coz i use dnsmasq to make it work ever ,,but yestday i reinstall my system ,found that already work
[04:34] <shirish> iblicf: of course I use network-manager & nm-applet & they are good for most of my needs but still its nice to know where resolv.conf now resides.
[04:35] <iblicf> shirish,  same question ,,:) i remenber i have grep to looking for it
[04:35] <fsckr> shirish, /etc/resolv.conf
[04:36] <fsckr> :
[04:36] <fsckr> :)
[04:36] <shirish> fsckr: oh, they moved it one directory up, did they?
[04:36] <fsckr> locate resolv.conf in terminal
[04:36] <fsckr> tells you :P
[04:37] <fsckr> i want to add the "systray" to my bottom bar does anyone know what its called in ubuntu?
[04:38] <iblicf> i told you there have in /etc ,,but is does not record all dns message at all :)
[04:40] <iblicf> fsckr,  notice area ? im chinese locale ,,so i can't told you the name exactly
[04:41] <fsckr> no its not that ive tried
[04:41] <fsckr> it hought it was but its not
[04:41] <shirish> iblicf: I just wanted to see where the nameserver records are kept, that's all.
[04:42] <iblicf> shirish,  i know ,,, :) that 's i want to find also
[05:05] <ribando_> hi everyone
[05:06] <ribando_> I got a  small question...I'm using gutsy...I've sucessfuly created an XGL session, but when I run compiz --replace I get something saying nvidia :not present.can someone help?
[05:07] <crdlb> ribando_, what's the problem?
[05:07] <ribando_> crdlb .I'm using gutsy...I've sucessfuly created an XGL session, but when I run compiz --replace I get something saying nvidia :not present.can someone help?
[05:08] <crdlb> yes I saw
[05:08] <crdlb> but why is that bad?
[05:08] <ribando_> crdlb well, I'll put here what I got from the terminal, garuzito@garuzito-laptop:~$ compiz --replace
[05:08] <ribando_> Checking for Xgl: present.
[05:08] <ribando_> Checking for nVidia: not present.
[05:08] <ribando_> Checking for Xgl: present.
[05:08] <ribando_> Enabling Xgl with fglrx ATi drivers...
[05:09] <ribando_> crdlb that's what I got
[05:10] <crdlb> and?
[05:10] <crdlb> it just stops there?
[05:10] <ribando_> crdlb it doesnt, it keeps flashing, as if it was trying to enable it.
[05:12] <ribando_> crdlb do u know what can I do to solve that problem?
[05:13] <crdlb> have you tried #ubuntu-effects >
[05:13] <crdlb> ?
[05:13] <ribando_> crdlb I'll try it now
[05:36] <slavik`lap> gutsy +1 is going to be awesome :D
[05:43] <Scorpaen> need help getting mp3 support in Amarok, please.
[05:45] <stdin> Scorpaen: same instructions as feisty
[05:45] <Scorpaen> thanks
[06:01] <Crell> Hi all.  Somewhat odd question.  I'm following some laptop tutorials that say that to get sound to work I need "alsa from CVS", apparently the version *right after* 1.0.14.  I notice gutsy is running alsa-base 1.0.14-1.  What exactly is the -1 for in this case?
[06:01] <Crell> I tried installing it on my feisty system, but I still get no audio.
[06:02] <stdin> -1 is the release number in ubuntu
[06:03] <Crell> So if ubuntu were to backport the fixes in alsa CVS before a 1.0.15 release, that would get called 1.0.14-2?
[06:03] <stdin> no, not quite
[06:04] <Crell> hm.
[06:04] <stdin> if there were some fixes, but no new version
[06:04] <stdin> then -2 or
[06:04] <RAOF> Technically, the -1 is the release number in *Debian*.
[06:04] <RAOF> The ubuntu1 is the release number in Ubuntu :)
[06:04] <Crell> I'm trying to figure out the best course of action to get audio working.  Checking out CVS HEAD source and compiling it myself is by definition not "best" in my book. :-)
[06:05] <RAOF> Crell: You should be able to find a patch on the ALSA bugtracker.
[06:05] <stdin> gutsy uses -1ubuntu1 anyway :p
[06:05] <RAOF> Or, you could build from source, then see if it works.
[06:06] <Crell> ThinkWiki.org (it's a thinkpad) has links to the patches, but also a note "don't use these, use CVS".
[06:06] <RAOF> If it works, you then want to find the patch which *made* it work, attach that to a bug on launchpad, and it'll go into thu Gutsy packages.
[06:06] <Crell> Hrm.
[06:07] <Crell> stdin: Apparently -1ubuntu1 doesn't have whatever these patches are yet.
[06:07] <stdin> 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 doesn't ?
[06:07] <Crell> RAOF: Would a reference to them be sufficient for launchpad?
[06:08] <RAOF> Yes, certianly,
[06:08] <Crell> stdin: I'm running 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 on my feisty now, and I get no audio errors, but no audio either.
[06:08] <RAOF> However, the more work *you* do, the more likely it is to be fixed :)
[06:09] <RAOF> You can, of course, just file an "audio doesn't work" bug, but that's not going to be fixed as fast as "ALSA CVS revision 2442 works", which will in turn be fixed slower than "Sound works if I apply this patch" :)
[06:11] <Crell> Apply the patch to what, if the latest CVS of ALSA supposedly includes those patches alread?
[06:11] <Crell> alreayd?
[06:12] <Crell> bah!  already.
[06:12] <RAOF> Crell: So, if ALSA CVS works, good.  Mention that.
[06:13] <Crell> Great, that means I need to figure out how to compile it and install it without breaking things to confirm it, doesn't it? ;-)
[06:13] <RAOF> Crell: *Better* than just saying "ALSA CVS works" is, "If you apply this patch to the Ubuntu package, sound works"
[06:13] <RAOF> Crell: Yes, it does :)
[06:13] <RAOF> Crell: You can always just file a "sound doesn't work" bug ;)
[06:14] <Crell> Next question then, presumably there will be a 1.0.15 release eventually.  Is that something Debian/Ubuntu will be upgrading to?
[06:14] <RAOF> Crell: Yes, but it won't go into already-released releases :)
[06:14] <Crell> Well I'd like to be slightly more useful than that if I can. :-)  I'm just a PHP developer, not C developer, so I'm compiler adverse.  (Any compiled code on my system not managed through apt is a bug, not a feature, IMO.)
[06:15] <RAOF> Crell: Absolutely right :()
[06:15] <Crell> And policy is to apply selective patches, not track CVS semi-stable points, I take it?
[06:16] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:16] <RAOF> Absolutely.
[06:16] <Crell> Next question... if I do this on a feisty box, will that invalidate any reports given? :-)
[06:16] <RAOF> Hm.  Difficult.
[06:17] <RAOF> The trick would be to make sure you can revert the changes.
[06:17] <Crell> Right now the box is 99% feisty kubuntu, with the kernel (and dependencies) and alsa-base pulled from gutsy.
[06:17] <RAOF> You're probably better off trying it in a Gutsy system, though.  Can you make a 5gb gutsy partition or something?
[06:18] <Crell> That would take quite a while.  It's a laptop, and I just partitioned it.
[06:18] <RAOF> That has the advantage of being disposable.  You can play around in there all you like.
[06:18] <Crell> Could that be done with a live CD, just for testing?
[06:18] <Crell> apt-get source alsa-base, apply patches, build, install, modprobe something?
[06:18] <RAOF> If you've got enough RAM, a Livecd would work.
[06:18] <RAOF> Crell: Yes, pretty much.
[06:19] <Crell> 2 GBs. :-)  I already booted the gutsy kubuntu live cd the other night to see if the new kernel would work.
[06:19] <RAOF> So, with the LiveCD & an internet connection you should be able to build & install a new ALSA, then modprobe the appropriate module.
[06:20] <RAOF> All from the safety of a disposable ramdisk :)
[06:20] <Crell> Have you got a few min to hand-hold me through that as needed? :-)  I haven't played with system components in a while, so I'm somewhat rusty.  (Since I switched from Sid to Ubuntu, actually...)
[06:21] <genii> Interestingly I just blew away gutsy install by choosing suspend when closing wm instead of shutdown. no single-user mode boot either now
[06:21] <RAOF> Ok, I'll give it a shot.
[06:21] <Crell> genii: Interesting.  I just got suspend/hibernate working fine with the gutsy kernel by adding a config statement to grub.
[06:21] <Crell> It's not that fast, but it works fine.
[06:22] <genii> I get total blackout now when trying to do normal boot to it, no numlock light etc either, so thats dead entirely. but single-user at least gives some kinda kernel dump
[06:23] <genii> But can't get to a prompt there either
[06:23] <Crell> What laptop?
[06:23] <genii> Desktop
[06:24] <genii> Asus p5k se mb, satahd
[06:24] <Crell> And you're using suspend?
[06:24] <genii> Luckily I still have my Feisty parition :)
[06:25] <genii> Crell it may actually have been hibernate, my mouse is messed up and wrong just as I clicked on it
[06:25] <genii> (wrong icon under when I meant to shut down)
[06:26] <Crell> Still, I didn't know suspend/hibernate worked on a desktop in the first place.
[06:26] <genii> Crell: Then that it would appear as an option when leaving wm brings to mind "why is it an option?" then
[06:27] <Crell> That is a very good question.
[06:27] <genii> Kinda sucks since I had just compiled cvs KDE successfully as well
[06:27] <Crell42> ouch
[06:27] <Crell42> That's what, 3 days of work right there? :-)
[06:28] <genii> After all those hourly updates, yeah LOL
[06:28] <genii> Maybe I'll mount the gutsy partition and see if any way to recover it
[06:29] <genii> Or retrieve something useful to prevent it happening again
[06:29] <genii> logs etc
[06:30] <genii> Crell:: Of curiosity, what config stuff did you add to grub? For future reference testing etc
[06:30] <Crell42> http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_(Feisty_Fawn)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Suspend
[06:30] <Crell42> Ignore all the scripts stuff.
[06:30] <voidmage> hrm.
[06:30] <genii> bookmarking for studying later
[06:30] <voidmage> my pvr-150 card has kind of crappy signal
[06:31] <Crell42> One of the comments there said he just needed to add a line to grub once he was on 2.6.21.  Worked for me with 2.6.22 as well, using the Intel video chip instead of nvidia.
[06:31] <genii> looking up the kernel I had on gutsy, brb
[06:35] <genii> Weird, menu.lst can't be right
[06:35] <genii> Has all kernels now at same exact version on all the different partitions
[06:35] <genii> Which is total nonsense
[06:36] <Crell42> oops?
[06:36] <Crell42> gutsy so doesn't like my widescreen... :-)
[06:36] <genii> Crell42: Nah I haven't messwed with grub at all
[06:37] <genii> Gives me an idea though, perhaps this is the reason it is choking etc.
[06:37] <Crell42> RAOF: OK, I'm in a gutsy live CD.  Should I dist-upgrade first?
[06:37] <Crell42> Looks like it has a crapload that's new since the live cd was built.
[06:37] <RAOF> Crell42: Maybe?  Might as well.
[06:38] <Crell42> Hey, I haven't played with cutting edge system software since... last year. :-)
[06:39] <genii> reboot needed.
[06:39] <Crell42> Been nice knowing you.
[06:40] <Crell42> There are 9 wireless networks near me... all of them are secured with at least WEP. :-)
[06:41] <Toma-> weps easy
[06:42] <Crell42> Yes, but it wasn't that long ago that I'd find 5 APs with no WEP and an ESSID of "linksys".
[06:42] <Scorpaen> one should be required to have a license for the information superhighway
[06:43] <Scorpaen> they call me all night at work
[06:43] <Scorpaen> grrr
[06:43] <Scorpaen> "i see dumb ppl"
[06:43] <Scorpaen> lol
[06:45] <genii> My gutsy is back :)
[06:47] <ameyer> y'know, it'd be an awesome birthday present for a gutsy update to cause a non-functioning computer in the 24 hour period starting about 15 minutes from now...
[06:47] <Crell42> hm, a few packages failing up upgrade...
[06:47] <DanaG> Somehow, my e1000 NIC crashes under heavy loads, such as BitTorrent.
[06:48] <genii> AFK looking for enlightenment in /var/log
[06:48] <ameyer> I somehow think I should avoid dist-upgrading if  I want to avoid topping last year's debacle
[06:49] <Crell42> Wouldn't it be better to look in #enlightenment?
[06:50] <genii> smartass :)
[06:52] <genii> wtf, /var/log/boot contents: (nothing has been logged yet.)
[06:52] <genii> this just me?
[06:52] <arooni>  recently installed 7.04 on a thinkpad t61. i had to use the alternate cd install because the graphics were messed up. i got output, b ut its this wierd interlaced thing and I can't make out anything! ;(. it has an intel x3100 (965) chipset integrated video card.... any suggestions on how to get the video working?
[06:54] <Crell42> RAOF: OK, so I'm updated and just apt-get source'd alsa-base.  Now I run the patches with patch -p0 < foo.patch from within the directory where the source I just downloaded lives?
[06:56] <arooni> anyone know how to jump into text login/startup?  when i do control+alt+f1... i jsut get a blank screen that's dark
[06:56] <RAOF> Crell42: That should work, yes.
[06:59] <genii> arooni: boot to recovery then if changes are made that allow the gui to run, do telinit 3
[06:59] <arooni> genii: i booted to recovery
[06:59] <Crell42> Bah.  It keeps asking me for the file to patch.
[06:59] <arooni> genii: but i dont see a file system at all.. all i see is:  root@LilArooni:~#
[06:59] <genii> arooni: So try alt-f1 thru alt-f6
[07:00] <genii> what do you mean you see no filesystem?
[07:00] <arooni> genii: when i do 'ls' i get nothing back
[07:00] <Crell42> arooni: ls /
[07:00] <genii> try: mount   and you will see whatever filesystems you have mounted
[07:01] <genii> arooni: In root home directory there is nothing to list for files until you ran a gui or put something in it
[07:04] <arooni> Crell42: ls /
[07:04] <arooni> works !
[07:04] <genii> arooni: at any rate, since you are already in command line and nned to reconfigure your video, do:dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to input by text interface some sane X settings
[07:04] <Crell42> That's because the / directory has stuff in it, whereas root's home directory does not.
[07:04] <arooni> sweet action
[07:05] <arooni> genii: ok ... should i need to configure internet... if i just plug in an ethernet cable?
[07:05] <arooni> cuz its not plugged in yet
[07:05] <genii> not right now, just do the dpkg
[07:05] <arooni> do i need internet to plug in?
[07:05] <genii> one thing at a time
[07:06] <arooni> i mean to do what you said?
[07:06] <Crell42> Great.  The patch is tiny, but still doesn't apply.
[07:06] <genii> no need for internet to reconfigure video
[07:07] <arooni> genii: shhould i have it auot detct video hardware
[07:07] <arooni> well even if i did... it doesnt find it ;(
[07:07] <genii> arooni: yes, use auto settings where possible
[07:07] <arooni> so what should i use to start?
[07:07] <arooni> vesa?
[07:07] <genii> yes
[07:07] <genii> or i810 for your card may do too
[07:08] <genii> but I suggest vesa just to get it back up
[07:08] <arooni> genii: what should i set for # of kb for shared mem card?
[07:08] <genii> nothing, just hit entere
[07:09] <genii> when in doubt on what to put, just hit enter
[07:09] <genii> or select OK by tab to highlight then enter
[07:09] <arooni> genii: ok.. which resolution should i pick for monitor
[07:09] <genii> something sane
[07:09] <arooni> lcd supports upto 1440x900
[07:09] <genii> like at most 1024x768
[07:10] <arooni> gotcha
[07:10] <arooni> what about depth?
[07:10] <genii> 24
[07:10] <arooni> ok done
[07:10] <arooni> should i restart?
[07:10] <genii> no need
[07:10] <arooni> ctrl + alt + delete?
[07:10] <arooni> or ... /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[07:10] <Crell42> The latter.
[07:10] <genii> no. wait for instructions please :)
[07:11] <arooni> hehehe
[07:11] <genii> all you need is: telinit 3
[07:11] <genii> kdm will begin
[07:11] <arooni> sadly... the screen is still royally messed up
[07:11] <arooni> this link makes it sound like i need a package: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29
[07:12] <Crell42> arooni: I'm working on that exact same laptop and chip, and X is fine.
[07:12] <arooni> lucky duck
[07:12] <genii> in single user mode no kdm or gdm runs until init level is 2-5 so no need for any kind of /etc/init.d/Xdm start/stop/restart etc
[07:12] <Crell42> Gutsy thinks the desktop space is smaller than it really is, but in feisty it loaded perfectly without me doing anything.
[07:13] <Crell42> Did you just do a normal install?
[07:13] <arooni> Crell42: u know this is my second t61.. the first loaded fine as well
[07:13] <Crell42> Weird.
[07:13] <arooni> Crell42: i had to do alternate cd install... as the video was messed up
[07:13] <arooni> but apparently it has happend to others
[07:13] <arooni> (via link)
[07:13] <genii> Crell42: I have the same weridness with centering but only on the ksplash
[07:14] <genii> arooni: OK, so vesa did not go. can you get back to console?
[07:14] <Crell42> It's not centering.  In Feisty it's fine, but in gutsy Kicker only goes about 4/5 of the way across the screen and is not at the bottom of the display, maximizing doesn't go beyond that boundary, etc.
[07:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I just noticed something: when my router is refusing to give me an IP, it's because it seems to be waiting for a response to an ARP query.
[07:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I just noticed something: when my router is refusing to give me an IP, it's because it seems to be waiting for a response to an ARP query.
[07:15] <DanaG> Woah, somehow the router was storing my IRC data for a while while my connection was down.
[07:15] <genii> arooni: If you can get to a console/terminal once more edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change vesa to i810 in there
[07:15] <arooni> sorry folks
[07:15] <arooni> i'm back
[07:15] <arooni> i had to move downstaris
[07:15] <DanaG> Once I did ifup, I got 10 or 20 lines of chat all at once.
[07:15] <arooni> in case we needed internet
[07:16] <arooni> cuz thats where the router was
[07:16] <genii> arooni: If you can get to a console/terminal once more edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change vesa to i810 in there
[07:16] <genii> arooni: to do that, issue: sudo nano /etc/X11111/xorg.conf    <-- please note uppercase X
[07:16] <genii> X11 rather
[07:17] <arooni> ah i can get to a termainl
[07:17] <arooni> what should i use to edit
[07:17] <genii> my 1 key sticks
[07:17] <arooni> i usually use vim
[07:17] <Crell42> nano is better for a newbie.
[07:17] <genii> If you like vim swap nano for vim in command
[07:17] <arooni> woah!  vims installed by default
[07:17] <RAOF> genii: They probably wants the intel driver, incidentally
[07:17] <genii> RAOF Yes, i810 and vesa sometimes have issues
[07:18] <arooni> ok i changed
[07:18] <arooni> let me restart gdm
[07:18] <shirish> guys anybody here who has know-how or knowledge about using ./configure ?
[07:18] <ameyer> hmm, intel, eh?
[07:18] <shirish> ameyer: if asking me, then intel yes
[07:19] <Crell42> RAOF: OK, everything's patched.  Now how do I properly build the new alsa-base?
[07:19] <arooni> error: failed to start X.  Fatal server error:  no screens found :9
[07:19] <genii> shirish:   man i810   has much useful info for xorg settings btw
[07:19] <genii> arooni: please do: lspci|grep vga
[07:20] <genii> report result here
[07:20] <RAOF> Crell42: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[07:20] <shirish> genii: ah, ok so that was directed to somebody else for something else, I am looking for knowing info. about using "configure"
[07:20] <RAOF> Crell42: This will require you to have the "build-essential" and "fakeroot" packages installed :)
[07:20] <shirish> ROAF: I checked out a trunk svn, the instructions there are ./configure, make & make install
[07:21] <Crell42> So I am discovering.
[07:21] <arooni> i was going to try installing this package: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:21] <arooni> genii: i did that command i get back nothing] 
[07:21] <shirish> RAOF: when I go inside the checked out tree & do ./configure it complains about
[07:21] <shirish> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[07:22] <Crell42> yay, it's compiling!
[07:22] <genii> arooni: do then just lspci|more   then look at the results by eye to see what it says your video card is
[07:22] <DShepherd> hmmm anyone know if gimp 2.4 going to make it into gutsy?
[07:22] <DShepherd> and doesnt gutsy feel like what edgy was to feel like? :-)
[07:22] <Crell42> RAOF: OK, that generated a series of deb files.  dpkg -i all of them, I presume?
[07:23] <RAOF> Crell42: Yup, should be right.
[07:23] <RAOF> That was pretty quick, too :)
[07:23] <shirish> DShepherd: I think feature-freeze is today or was yesterday, either way its too late to ask for it I guess
[07:23] <Crell42> 2.2 GHz of Core 2 Duo goodness. :-)
[07:23] <DShepherd> shirish, :-(
[07:23] <arooni> genii: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:23] <RAOF> Ah. Slightly faster than my C2D :)
[07:24] <RAOF> DShepherd: Is 2.4 out yet?
[07:24] <ameyer> hmm, the intel driver would work if I just swittched "driver i810" to "driver intel"?
[07:24] <RAOF> ameyer: Yes, as long as you had xserver-xorg-video-intel installed.
[07:24] <DShepherd> RAOF, no but they released the RC today i think
[07:24] <ameyer> or does the "boardname" paramater do anything
[07:24] <genii> arooni: next to that on left, what is the abcd:efgh   type thing saying?
[07:24] <Crell42> Right then... now how do I convince it to start using the new package?
[07:24] <DShepherd> RAOF www.gimp.org
[07:24] <Crell42> Without rebooting, which would rather defeat the purpose here. :-)
[07:25] <arooni> 00:02:01 VGA compatible controller: Intel corp mobile integrated graphic controller (rev 0c) .. and
[07:25] <arooni> 00:02.1 display controller: intel mobile integrated grahpics controller
[07:25] <genii> hmm
[07:25] <arooni> that first one is 00:02.0 ...
[07:25] <genii> dualhead
[07:25] <DShepherd> shirish, what version of gimp in gutsy now/
[07:25] <arooni> i mean!  00:02.0
[07:25] <DShepherd> ?
[07:25] <RAOF> Crell42: So, you probably just want to rmmod all your sound-related stuff and modprobe the new ones.
[07:25] <Crell42> Which are the new ones?
[07:25] <RAOF> Crell42: The ones that are there now :)
[07:25] <ameyer> !info gimp
[07:25] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program - DEVELOPMENT VERSION. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.18-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 4413 kB, installed size 11172 kB
[07:26] <RAOF> Crell42: Just an rmmod and modprobe should work. :)
[07:26] <Crell42> helpful...
[07:26] <RAOF> DShepherd: That release statement says to me "We're done hacking on the features.  Now to fix bugs!"
[07:26] <arooni> what to do next?
[07:26] <Crell42> RAOF: So just rmmod/modprobe everything from lsmod that looks vaugely sound-ish?
[07:26] <RAOF> DShepherd: That's not *exactly* what we want to hear at upstream-version-freeze :)
[07:27] <RAOF> Crell42: Yup.
[07:27] <Crell42> hm
[07:27] <shirish> DShepherd: gimp  2.3.18-1ubuntu2
[07:27] <DShepherd> RAOF, ok
[07:27] <DShepherd> shirish, yeah i noticed..
[07:28] <genii> arooni: OK, do: lspci -nn then at end of where it says the Intel card name it has something like (8086:####)     I need the ####
[07:28] <arooni> i tried to do this:  apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-intel .... but i got an error:  E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_fesity_main_sources_Sourdces - open (2 No such file or directory).... anyone know how to fix?
[07:28] <arooni> genii: ok han gon
[07:29] <Crell42> Here's what kubuntu needs... a basic text editor in the KMenu installed by default!  GahQ!
[07:29] <genii> Crell42: Yer really gonna hate kde4
[07:29] <RAOF> Crell42: What, Kate isn't installed by default_?
[07:29] <genii> LOL
[07:30] <arooni> genii: for VGA compatible controller [2a02]  (the former)..... and for Display Controller [2a03] 
[07:30] <ysth1> I'm having suspend problems, and quirks_checker.sh recommends switching from ipw3945d to iwl3945  (also, there are no quirks available for my laptop model)
[07:30] <Crell42> I'd settle for KWrite.  I mean, geez, I need a frickin' notepad!
[07:30] <genii> arooni: good. Looking up exact model now
[07:30] <ysth1> how do I do that?
[07:30] <arooni> genii: i *really really really* appreciate your help
[07:30] <genii> arooni: btw put sudo before apt-get and replace source with install
[07:31] <genii> arooni: in that command you tried that failed
[07:31] <Crell42> Hm.  It won't let me rmmod them because they're in use....
[07:32] <arooni> genii: yups.... error is:  Package xserver-xorg-vidoe-intel is not available, but is referred to by another package... this may meant that the package is missing, has been obslelted, or is only avaialble from another source
[07:32] <RAOF> Crell42: Got anything eating the soundcard?
[07:32] <Crell42> Not that I know of.  All that's running is IRC, konsole, and knoqueror.
[07:32] <Crell42> Isn't that lsof-fu?
[07:33] <Instabin> any one have problem with firestarter crashing?
[07:33] <RAOF> Crell42: Not the way I practise it :)
[07:33] <Crell42> hehehe
[07:33] <Crell42> Well artsd is running.
[07:33] <Crell42> as is kmix.
[07:34] <RAOF> Ba-baw
[07:34] <Crell42> kill artsd?
[07:34] <RAOF> Crell42: Ha!  "lsof /dev/snd/*"
[07:34] <RAOF> You probably want to kill everything in that list.
[07:35] <Crell42> The list is empty.
[07:35] <RAOF> Kill artsd & kmix, then :)
[07:35] <Crell42> :-)
[07:35] <RAOF> artsd *can't* still use OSS, right?
[07:36] <Crell42> I have no idea.
[07:36] <arooni> genii: got any more magic :P?
[07:36] <RAOF> Crell42: Anyway, has killing artsd & kmix allowed you to rmmod?
[07:37] <Crell42> Seems to be.
[07:37] <shirish> guys can libcurl3 & libcurl3-dev reside with each other without an issue, libcurl3-dev is a virtual package & there is no libcurl4 apart from the libcurlssl4 library?
[07:40] <DanaG> Wow, Firewire really does take less power than USB 2.0.
[07:40] <DanaG> I'm using powertop, and when using my USB hard drive, I see a lot of wakeups coming from the USB modules.
[07:41] <RAOF> Heh, cool.
[07:41] <DanaG> When I'm using my firewire CD drive, I don't see the firewire-related modules show up at all.
[07:41] <DanaG> Granted, all I was doing with CD was dd from it to something else, so perhaps it doesn't take much to do a linear read.
[07:42] <arooni> anyhone have other ideas?
[07:42] <arooni> on how to get my video working :(?
[07:42] <DShepherd> RAOF, GIMP 2.3 is in no way a final product. A lot of new features are incomplete and some things may even be completely broken. If you need to get work done, please use the stable version, GIMP 2.2.
[07:42] <DShepherd> RAOF, scary
[07:47] <Crell42> gr.  Still noting.
[07:47] <Crell42> noting.
[07:47] <Ayabara> How can I install a new icon set in gutsy (gnome)? Where do I put it, and how do I activate it?
[07:47] <shirish> ubotu wxwidgets
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wxwidgets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <Crell42> RAOF: I'm still not getting any sound. :-(
[07:50] <Instabin> !find fusion-icon
[07:50] <ubotu> Package/file fusion-icon does not exist in gutsy
[07:50] <Instabin> !find emerald
[07:50] <ubotu> Found: emerald, libemeraldengine-dev, libemeraldengine0, xemeraldia
[07:51] <RAOF> Crell42: So, there's a good chance that the patch doesn't work for you :(
[07:51] <Crell42> Let me see if I can get the files back to my feisty install, then I'll try them there.  I may just not be modprobing right.
[08:01] <mildsauce> Is gusty stable for everyday use yet?
[08:06] <RAOF> No
[08:10] <shirish> can somebody tell me where wxwidgets is? Can't seem to find it :(
[08:15] <Crell> Dagnabbit, that still didn't do it. :(
[08:21] <RAOF> Crell: It seems the answer is "no, that patch doesn't fix it".
[08:22] <RAOF> You've done the simple things, like making sure your sound isn't muted, right?
[08:22] <Crell> system volume is at 100%, kmix is at 100%.
[08:23] <RAOF> Crell: In particular, you've seen this page?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:23] <Crell> hm.  Let me try alsamixergui...
[08:24] <Crell> alsamixer, alsamixergui, and kmix are atll at 100% and sho no signs of muting.
[08:25] <Crell> I've also tried both speakers and headphones.
[08:25] <RAOF> It sounds like you've gone through all the easy options, then.
[08:25] <Crell> :-(
[08:26] <Crell> Well, I filed an issue on launchpad about it with links to the patches anyway (while I was still on the gutsy live cd).
[08:26] <Crell> Not sure what else I can do at this point.
[08:26] <fignew> Crell: did it work before?
[08:26] <Crell> fignew: No, has yet to work.
[08:26] <shirish> ROAF: where is wxwidgets in gutsy? I believe there was http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/wxwidgets2.6 fpr dapper
[08:27] <shirish> fpr/for
[08:27] <RAOF> !info wxwidgets
[08:27] <ubotu> Package wxwidgets does not exist in gutsy
[08:27] <RAOF> !info wxwidgets2.8
[08:27] <ubotu> Package wxwidgets2.8 does not exist in gutsy
[08:27] <RAOF> Bah.
[08:27] <RAOF> !find wxwidgets
[08:27] <ubotu> Found: plplot9-driver-wxwidgets
[08:27] <Crell> RAOF: Anything else you can suggest I try before heading to bed?
[08:28] <RAOF> !find libwxgtk
[08:28] <ubotu> Found: libwxgtk2.4-1, libwxgtk2.4-1-contrib, libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev, libwxgtk2.4-dbg, libwxgtk2.4-dev (and 6 others)
[08:28] <fignew> Crell: have you done cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[08:28] <Crell> hm, no.  sec.
[08:28] <RAOF> Crell: I've got nothig more for you, sorry.
[08:29] <arooni> Crell: i've been reccomended to upgrade to gutsy
[08:29] <Crell> Nope, not a peep out of it.
[08:29] <arooni> Crell: are u crell42
[08:29] <Crell> Yes.  Crell42 is what I was from the laptop in question.
[08:30] <fignew> its a laptop?
[08:30] <Crell> Yes.  Thinkpad T61.
[08:30] <fignew> Thinkpad? it's gotta work!
[08:30] <Crell> That's what I said!
[08:31] <fignew> have you tried any other distros?
[08:31] <fignew> see if they detect it right?
[08:31] <Crell> Feisty with the gutsy kernel got me wifi, and a small tweak to grub got me suspend/resume, BT already worked, but still no sound.
[08:31] <Crell> Other distros, what's that? :-)  Not yet.
[08:32] <fignew> like knoppix or summin, just a liveCD ;)
[08:32] <Crell> According to ThinkWiki, alsa was patched to support the T/X61 line like the day after 1.0.14 was released.
[08:32] <arooni> Crell: would you reccomend trying tribe 4/
[08:32] <fignew> ALSA 1.0.14?
[08:32] <Crell> But the patches for it I just tried on the source package in gutsy and it still didn't work for me.
[08:32] <Crell> Yes.
[08:34] <Crell> arooni: It gives me video, but the desktop is mis-aligned.  Trying the live CD's probably worthwhile, but I'm not going to be running it myself until October.
[08:34] <arooni> Crell: i cant get video working at all on feisty :(((
[08:34] <Crell> Very odd.  We have the exact same laptop.
[08:34] <Crell> What screen res? :-)
[08:35] <Kousotu> anyone know how to repair a driver?
[08:35] <arooni> Crell: 1440x900
[08:35] <Crell> Mine I've found is not that speedy on OpenGL screen savers, but is otherwise OK.  I'm not sure if that's an actual problem or if it's just a cheap Intel chip. -)
[08:35] <Crell> Ah, you got the + model.  I got the 1280x800 display.  I wonder if that's the difference.
[08:36] <arooni> Crell: i sent this back for the + mdoel... the 1280x800 worked like a charm
[08:36] <Crell> :-(
[08:36] <Crell> I guess I'm glad I didn't get the +...
[08:37] <arooni> ah
[08:39] <shirish> RAOF:I installed libwxgtk2.8 and still I have issues with compiling something
[08:40] <shirish> does anybody know a way to know to know exactly if (universe sources) is enabled or not?
[08:42] <Crell> Just check /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <Kousotu> ok, question
[08:43] <Kousotu> I found the zd1211rw drivers and what looks like the backup to it, how to reinstall it?
[08:45] <shirish> Crell: thanx, just realized my country server doesn't have the sources, only the binaries, the sources are still from the official server.
[08:45] <Crell> Ah ha.
[08:45] <Crell> OK, I'm off to sleep.  I guess I'll just have to wait a while on sound. :-(
[08:46] <shirish> RAOF: you around m8?
[08:46] <Kousotu> \lib\modules\2.6.22-9-generic\kernel\drivers\net\wireless
[08:46] <Kousotu> I notice the zd1211rw folderhas the same file as in that dir, but bigger
[08:47] <Kousotu> is that suposed to be a backup?
[08:47] <arooni> can someone help met to get my ethernet device working in 7.04 (t61).... its not listed in ifconfig and if i try:  sudo ifconfig eth0 up i get the rror :  Unable to allocate MSI interrutpErrror: -22
[08:47] <arooni> what should i do?
[08:47] <shirish> arooni: shouldn't that be something to ask in #ubuntu
[08:48] <Kousotu> what is your eth controler?
[08:48] <arooni> shirish: i do but this cahnel seems more knowledgeable and responsvie
[08:48] <Kousotu> arooni: somehting we disagree on
[08:48] <shirish> arooni: cool
[08:48] <Kousotu> lol
[08:48] <arooni> Kousotu: # 4.2 Intel IWL4965 A/G/N
[08:49] <Kousotu> hm...
[08:49] <shirish> and I'm still downloading/updaing the sources list
[08:49] <arooni> im going from: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_%28Gutsy_Gibbon%29_Tribe_4_on_a_ThinkPad_T61
[08:49] <Kousotu> I don't think Fiest supports that
[08:49] <arooni> i mean
[08:49] <arooni> tjos pme" http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29
[08:49] <arooni> this one
[08:49] <arooni> hehe i cant type tonight
[08:49] <Kousotu> lmao
[08:49] <Kousotu> my keybord types like shit
[08:49] <Kousotu> so I feel ya there
[08:50] <arooni> i cant even get my ethernet thing going
[08:50] <arooni> so i cant fix my video problesm :(
[08:51] <Kousotu> try ndising it?
[08:51] <Kousotu> ndiswrapper*
[08:51] <arooni> Kousotu: what does tha mean
[08:51] <Kousotu> ndiswrapper uses the windows drivers
[08:52] <arooni> Kousotu: we're talking about the ethernet jack though
[08:52] <arooni> same thing?
[08:54] <Kousotu> I think..
[08:54] <Kousotu> I donno if ndis works on ethernet
[08:58] <arooni> anyone have a t61 laptop with 1440x900 and the intel x3100 graphics card?  i'm having massive troubles getting video output with ubuntu 7.04
[08:58] <shirish> Kousotu: you up m8?
[08:58] <Kousotu> of course
[08:58] <Kousotu> lol
[08:58] <shirish> Kousotu: how do I install this file https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/wxwidgets2.8/2.8.4.0-0ubuntu3
[08:59] <shirish> Kousotu: or is it a file that cannot be installed or something?
[09:01] <Kousotu> shirish: I donno
[09:02] <shirish> Kousotu: any idea whom I should ask about this?
[09:03] <Kousotu> someone else?
[09:03] <Kousotu> lol
[09:03] <Kousotu> what is a t61 laptop?
[09:03] <Kousotu> lol
[09:04] <DanaG> Wow, ntfs-3g takes quite a bit of CPU power.
[09:06] <Kousotu> lol
[09:07] <DanaG> Wow, my ACPI temperature is stuck at 40 C, yet my coretemp sensors say it's 67 and 69 C.
[09:09] <Kousotu> \lib\modules\2.6.22-9-generic\kernel\drivers\net\wireless
[09:09] <Kousotu> I notice the zd1211rw folderhas the same file as in that dir, but bigger
[09:09] <Kousotu> is that suposed to be a backup?
[09:09] <DanaG> Ouch, my screen blinks twice when it tries to fade the brightness.
[09:09] <DanaG> It goes bright-OFF-medium-OFF-dim
[09:10] <DanaG> er, 100-off-75-off-50-off-25
[09:18] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:14:57 AM): I got a wifi issue
[09:18] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:15:24 AM): can I run the live CD and put the file from there into m installed version?
[09:24] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:14:57 AM): I got a wifi issue
[09:24] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:15:24 AM): can I run the live CD and put the file from there into m installed version?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> sure, but whether it'll do what you want depends on the file...
[09:28] <THX-1138> arooni: If your card is made by nvidia and you are using the non-free "nvidia" driver "nvidia-settings" is likely to help - apologies for not knowing anything about an ATI card.
[09:28] <arooni> ITS NOT NVIIDA
[09:28] <arooni> oops
[09:28] <arooni> didnt mean caps
[09:28] <arooni> ;p
[09:28] <arooni> its intel x3100
[09:28] <THX-1138> arooni: backup your xorg config first
[09:28] <arooni> THX-1138: i need to install an xorg package
[09:29] <arooni> but i can't
[09:29] <arooni> because i dont get internet
[09:30] <Kousotu> arooni: do you have wireless?
[09:30] <arooni> when i do ifconfig
[09:30] <arooni> i dont see anything
[09:30] <Kousotu> have a windows partion?
[09:30] <arooni> i think the first thing is to get video workig
[09:30] <arooni> where can i get: xserver-xorg-video-intel as a .deb file
[09:30] <arooni> that i can put on a flash drive
[09:30] <arooni> Kousotu: yeah
[09:30] <arooni> i do have a vista parittion
[09:31] <Kousotu> go on windows, and grab is
[09:31] <Kousotu> ista.. hm....
[09:31] <Kousotu> I hate vista..
[09:31] <Kousotu> and my ext3 program don't work on vista
[09:32] <arooni> rab what
[09:32] <Kousotu> the driver deb
[09:33] <Kousotu> lol
[09:33] <arooni> where can i get: xserver-xorg-video-intel as a .deb file?  i need to put it on a flash usb drive ... because the target comptuer doesnt have internet
[09:38] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: fondthe zd1211rw items, will the ones on the live cd work n the installed version?
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: no idea.
[09:39] <Kousotu> lol
[09:39] <Kousotu> well, T4a hasn't had a kernl update, did it?
[09:39] <Infecto> arooni: apt-get hawe option to download package
[09:40] <arooni> i dont have internets right now
[09:40] <arooni> i'm tryin get video working
[09:40] <Kousotu> ypur eth don't work eiher hih?
[09:41] <Infecto> so if You dont have internet how You talk to us?
[09:41] <Kousotu> reminds me of this pc's move from Vista to XP lol
[09:41] <arooni> yeah its bomb bad
[09:41] <arooni> i have another laptoppy
[09:41] <Kousotu> took me a WEK to get mine working
[09:41] <arooni> :(
[09:41] <Infecto> so on another laptop use dpkg and put it on ubs
[09:41] <arooni> ok so i inserted the right video package
[09:41] <Infecto> usb
[09:41] <arooni> as a usb key .... into my drive
[09:41] <arooni> done ;p
[09:41] <arooni> but now what
[09:41] <arooni> how do i mount it
[09:42] <arooni> and copy to file system, and intall the *.deb fle
[09:42] <Infecto> arooni: its basics
[09:42] <Infecto> try google
[09:42] <Kousotu> it should automount
[09:42] <Infecto> type dmesg
[09:42] <Infecto> dmesg give You info about device
[09:42] <arooni> attached scsi removable disk sbd
[09:43] <Infecto> mount /dev/device /media/mount_point
[09:43] <Hobbsee> arooni: why dont you run feisty?
[09:43] <Infecto> dpkg -i /media/mount_point/package-name.deb
[09:43] <Infecto> thats all
[09:45] <arooni> ahh i see
[09:46] <arooni> but if i do:  ls /media
[09:46] <arooni> i only see sda1 and sda2
[09:46] <Infecto> dmesg tell you what
[09:46] <Infecto> paste but onlu correct lines
[09:46] <Infecto> not all
[09:46] <arooni> Infecto: please bear with me i'm pretty new at this
[09:47] <Kousotu> [01:47:36]  arooni : can someone help met to get my ethernet device working in 7.04
[09:47] <arooni> Infecto: um... i just see a lot of :  SCSI device sbd: 196797616 512 byte hdwr sectors (1007 MB)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> arooni: why dont you run feisty?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> arooni: if you're new
[09:48] <arooni> i am trying to run feisty
[09:48] <arooni> i cant get it to work
[09:48] <Hobbsee> then this is not the correct channel, is it?
[09:48] <arooni> and #ubuntu is not as responsive
[09:49] <THX-1138> Hobsee - be nice (grin) lol
[09:50] <Hobbsee> THX-1138: :)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> THX-1138: it just stops anyone from getting gutsy help here, which is kind of a problem, it being a gutsy support channel and all.
[09:50] <THX-1138> Hobbsee (i guess this the part where i am grateful for the time you spend here and apologise.
[09:51] <arooni> well i'm baffled
[09:51] <arooni> how do i mount this usb drive..... sbd does not appear
[09:51] <THX-1138> Hobsee I am sorry Hobsee
[09:51] <arooni> in /media
[09:51] <shadeofgrey> okay look folks...  i spent serioyus dough on Adobe CS3: Design Premium... and i have a shot at getting a macpro from a charity that gives money to folkks with disabilities that dont spend time pissing vinegar or being bitter  about things they cant change..  i want to volunteer my time installing ubuntu on messed up windows installations
[09:52] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: I get gutsy help in ununtu from time to time
[09:52] <Kousotu> lol
[09:52] <Kousotu> less questions/help needed here
[09:52] <shadeofgrey> but i cant do that without running it myself becayse imn eudsty as hell.  does 7.04 run on macpro's if i spend the grand and get a quadro4500 card?
[09:52] <Kousotu> and usually this chan is deadsilent
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: dunno why.  #ubuntu is busy enough wihtout gutsy
[09:52] <Hobbsee> clearly only during your TZ..
[09:53] <Kousotu> obviously :(
[09:53] <shadeofgrey> i dont mind one bit about being risky with my machine because i take daily images of my mac partition
[09:53] <Kousotu> but it is 2:53 am right now
[09:53] <Kousotu> lol
[09:53] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: 7.04?  #ubuntu for that
[09:53] <Hobbsee> most of us dont even run feisty
[09:54] <Kousotu> kik
[09:54] <shadeofgrey> Hobbsee, dude...  i hate to say it but the folks in #ubuntu have gotten pretty close to heads up their asses useless
[09:54] <Kousotu> lol*
[09:54] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: yes, but we dont run feisty, so probably havent on a macbook either.
[09:54] <shadeofgrey> no
[09:54] <shadeofgrey> im talking about a quadcore macpro desktop
[09:55] <shadeofgrey> specifically so i have an nvidia card and can get raid through their raid card
[09:55] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: I run tribe 4 alpha still, but hey, I cam give tjeories for fiesty
[09:55] <arooni> can somoene pleas ehelp me mount a usb flash drive .... sbd is what its named in dmesg
[09:55] <Kousotu> arooni: it automonuts
[09:56] <arooni> but it doesnt
[09:56] <arooni> cuz if i go and do:  ls /media
[09:56] <shadeofgrey> id go back to an alienware pc but i just spent over a grand on adobe cs3: design premium
[09:56] <shadeofgrey> ill have to dual boot
[09:56] <arooni> i dont see anything but sda1 or sda2
[09:56] <shadeofgrey> im willing to risk  running alpha
[09:57] <Kousotu> arooni: sda0?
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> i figured if i were to find someone crazy enough to talk me through it it'd eb one of you guys
[09:57] <Infecto> arooni: dmesg|grep sdb
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> you do alpha shit...  you've got balls
[09:57] <Infecto> card is formated?
[09:57] <arooni> Infecto: yes
[09:57] <Kousotu> shadeofgrey: tribe 4 is BETA
[09:57] <Kousotu> lol
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> okay
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> where do i get it
[09:57] <Infecto> type what i say or i will not help you
[09:57] <Kousotu> I have trve 4 alph
[09:58] <Kousotu> alpha*
[09:58] <shadeofgrey> Kousotu, point me to where to get the tribe4 LiveCD
[09:58] <Kousotu> um...
[09:58] <Kousotu> I suck at urls
[09:58] <Kousotu> lol
[09:58] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: ubuntu.com/development, usually
[09:59] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: or cdimage.ubuntu.com/release
[09:59] <Hobbsee> s
[09:59] <shadeofgrey> im downloading 7.04 i386 and i386alternate right now...  are there more recent ones than what im getting becausee these are from april
[09:59] <shadeofgrey> ill get 7.10 as well
[10:00] <arooni> Infecto: theres nothing that came back from dmesg | grep sbd
[10:01] <Infecto> dmesg | grep sdb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:01] <arooni> Infecto: i'm typing what you say!!!!
[10:02] <Infecto> = 10:01 < Infecto> arooni: dmesg|grep sdb
[10:02] <shadeofgrey> okay
[10:02] <Infecto> where You see sbd?
[10:02] <arooni> Infecto: i see the drive at /dev/sbd
[10:02] <shadeofgrey> im getting the daily of the gutsy liveCD
[10:02] <arooni> if i do a fdisk -l
[10:02] <arooni> its the right drive,ritght size
[10:02] <shadeofgrey> ill start with that
[10:03] <Infecto> o man
[10:03] <shadeofgrey> if i can actually get the bastard to boot ill just say screw it, get the macpro with the Quaddro 4500 card and my 2 30" Dell displays and if i have to ill just wait until you guys figure it out for we mac dudes
[10:04] <shadeofgrey> look..  im severely physically handicapped...  i can only move one arm undermy own power and thus my computer is my whole life
[10:04] <shadeofgrey> hence why im getting folks to help me buy 9 grand worth of equipment
[10:05] <shadeofgrey> i promised id donate all the cpu cycles i dont use to projects that need distributed horsepower and i wantto donate my weekends to helping folks with ubuntu
[10:05] <shadeofgrey> because i really care about big U -- you guys work your asses off and its a ggreat OS
[10:05] <shadeofgrey> better than tiger in a lot of ways
[10:05] <shadeofgrey> nobodys listening to me pour my soul out
[10:05] <shadeofgrey> but thats okay'
[10:06] <shadeofgrey> this channels logged somewhere
[10:07] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: i've got this vague suspicion that no one's answering you,b ecause no one knows
[10:07] <Hobbsee> you've been on irc long enough to know how it tends to work
[10:07] <Kousotu> lol
[10:07] <shadeofgrey> its okay
[10:07] <shadeofgrey> Hobbsee, YOU saw whgat i said so you know my heart is in it
[10:08] <shadeofgrey> Hobbsee, im doing this because i genuinely want to help other people
[10:10] <Hobbsee> s/that/of/
[10:10] <shadeofgrey> i dont expect you to know
[10:10] <shadeofgrey> im just downloading the shit and if it works ill use it
[10:10] <shadeofgrey> if it dont it aint ready and ill wait
[10:13] <shadeofgrey> Dannilion, well...  the way i figure it...  now that macs are intel and i can get a Nvidia graphics card with plenty of horespower and video memory and a good raid card...  its ojnly a matter of time before its as easy to install as on regular pc's
[10:13] <Kousotu> shadeofgrey: if you had actual answers or hardware specs we might be able yto
[10:14] <shadeofgrey> Kousotu, quadcore Xeons they're using in the quadf macs, Nvidia quaddro 4500 card, SATA raid controller card
[10:14] <shadeofgrey> Kousotu, what more do you need?
[10:14] <Kousotu> nvidia needs the alternate cd
[10:14] <Kousotu> and I don't deal with raid
[10:15] <Dannilion> Nvidia needs the alternate CD? That's news to me
[10:15] <shadeofgrey> Kousotu, i didnt bother even trying to install on my macbookpro with ATI graphics card...  ATI driver support still blows rancid ardvark nuts
[10:15] <arooni> i finally mounted my silly flash drive
[10:15] <arooni> but when i cd to the flash drive
[10:15] <arooni> nothing is on it
[10:15] <arooni> but i know there is smoething on it
[10:15] <shadeofgrey> Dannilion, its a pleasure to meet you by the way
[10:15] <Dannilion> and you :)
[10:15] <Kousotu> arooni: doublecheck on vista
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> Dannilion, pardon me for being a tad profane..  7 purgocet 10's will do that to a sentimental shit like me
[10:16] <Kousotu> !nvidia | shadeofgrey
[10:16] <ubotu> shadeofgrey: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:17] <shadeofgrey> do what everybody else close to me does... whenever i run into walls with my wheelchair or make absolutely no sense whatsoever -- smile, nod, encourage, pat me on the head and blame it on the drugs in private or whenever im out of earshot
[10:17] <arooni> Kousotu: on ubuntu 7.04 on my other laptop i can see it just ifne
[10:17] <shadeofgrey> Dannilion, high end painkillers
[10:18] <Dannilion> okay
[10:18] <shadeofgrey> Dannilion, the only thing american insurance will buy for cripples like me.
[10:18] <shadeofgrey> besides booze
[10:18] <Dannilion> booze I get :)
[10:18] <Dannilion> *English
[10:18] <shadeofgrey> ah good
[10:18] <shadeofgrey> go manchester united
[10:19] <Dannilion> and didn't get much sleep so is making a lot of typos
[10:19] <shadeofgrey> god save the queen...  feed her a qualude while your at it
[10:19] <tonyyarusso> !offtopic
[10:19] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:19] <Dannilion> sorry
[10:19] <Kousotu> now let's keep politics out o it
[10:19] <shadeofgrey> my bad
[10:19] <arooni> anyone know why
[10:20] <Kousotu> arooni: no idea
[10:20] <arooni> i cantg see3 the files i put on my flash card?
[10:20] <arooni> um
[10:20] <arooni> maybe i should try formatting as ext3
[10:20] <shadeofgrey> my goaL once i have the desktop mac running ubuntu is to trick out an electric wheeelchair with a control system that runs embedded ubuntu
[10:20] <shadeofgrey> i wanna be the first cripple to rip through 6 gears with linux
[10:21] <Dannilion> my computer was randomly not showing me files on my mp3 player yesterday. I'm not sure what I did, but it's working this morning
[10:21] <Dannilion> the file system is fat32
[10:21] <shadeofgrey> why in gods name would you use fat32
[10:21] <Kousotu> Dannilion: in ubuntu it was doing that?
[10:21] <Dannilion> Kubuntu
[10:21] <Kousotu> oh.. kde is a pain at times
[10:21] <Kousotu> lol
[10:21] <Dannilion> that's what the mp3 player came with, and I didn't bother changing it?
[10:22] <shadeofgrey> admitting you use windows file systems is the first step tpward rehab and recovery
[10:22] <Dannilion> it wasn't KDE
[10:22] <Dannilion> It wouldn't work in the shell either
[10:22] <tonyyarusso> That factoid should actually a bit more terse - this channel is _strictly_ for issues directly related to unreleased versions, and discussion should center around bug reporting, triage, and fixing, and the like.  If you are having a problem with 7.04 or earlier, mention it in #ubuntu.  Please specify whether gutsy issues are regressions from a previous version, or persistent.
[10:22] <shadeofgrey> hes telling me i need to leave
[10:22] <shadeofgrey> okay dude'
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> im sorry
[10:23] <Dannilion> I don't- that problem was with gutsy
[10:24] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, before i do go i do have a serioius gutsy question...  if i run it on my mac and it actually works
[10:25] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, where do i post about it and furthermore does it matter?  would it be a help or a hinderance
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> shadeofgrey: I'm not sure what Mac status would be, as this is the first release where it's not supported.  I believe there is an #ubuntu-ppc community channel that may be of more use for Mac-related issues than the normal ones though.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ppc arch is a port, not an official arch now, so tonyyarusso is right
[10:26] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:14:57 AM): I got a wifi issue
[10:26] <Kousotu> demonsui0 (2:15:24 AM): can I run the live CD and put the file from there into m installed version?
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> We DO want it to run on Macs, so anything you can report etc. towards that end is great, it's just not being supported by Canonical.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: ...you got answered last time
[10:27] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: didn't see, unless it was that donno
[10:27] <Kousotu> lol
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> nono
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> im intel mac
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> none ofg that ppc bullshit
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> oooh
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: i answered, and you answered to me
[10:28] <Hobbsee> !language | shadeofgrey
[10:28] <ubotu> shadeofgrey: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: suggest you try it and see
[10:28] <shadeofgrey> and im getting the $1700 nvidia graphics card because ubuntu wont even boot with my macbookpro's ati chipset
[10:28] <Kousotu> obviouslt Im spacey today lol
[10:28] <tehk> Anyone here using pulse audio and libflashsupport? if so did you have an issue compiling it?
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> I believe Intel Mac support was a stated goal for Gutsy back in the spring, but I don't know how it's followed through to now.
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, can i please speak with you in private for just a minute?
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, i wont take more than ten i promise
[10:30] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: [01:46:16]  Kousotu : \lib\modules\2.6.22-9-generic\kernel\drivers\net\wireless <is that the only think I need to copy?
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> shadeofgrey: Sure
[10:30] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, great
[10:30] <Kousotu> that's the only place zd1211rw showed up
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: i have no idea, i dont have htat driver.
[10:32] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: is there another place thatit should show up?
[10:32] <Kousotu> besides the swap partion
[10:32] <Kousotu> lol
[10:32] <Hobbsee> see the part about me not knowing everything.
[10:33] <Kousotu> lol
[10:34] <Kousotu> now even if a list of installed drives exists?
[10:35] <shadeofgrey> tonyyarusso, are you getting any ogf my pm's?
[10:35] <cyphase> hmm.. something in main depends on something in universe
[10:35] <cyphase> ubufox depends on apturl
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> shadeofgrey: yup
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: oh, df -h -T.  or ls -lh /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[10:36] <Hobbsee> or, by-whichever option you want
[10:36] <Kousotu> ?
[10:36] <Kousotu> lol
[10:36] <Hobbsee> if you're looking for the list of installed drives
[10:36] <Hobbsee> but i've got no idea how that related to the previous
[10:36] <Jordan_U> Why does the tribe4 liveCD have the live session user not in sudoers and have a root account?
[10:37] <Kousotu> like what wifi drivers ubuntu defaults with
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: oh, right.  all of the free ones, or almost all of them.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: good question.  it doesnt?
[10:37] <Kousotu> jordan_U: live CD runs under the root acct
[10:37] <Kousotu> when you sudo it's automatic
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: it so doenst...
[10:38] <Hobbsee> but the sudo is automatic, yes, unless something has broken
[10:38] <Dannilion> sudo has to be- there's no password on the live CD
[10:39] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: answer me this: if a sudo is automatic, isn't that the same as a SU acct?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: no
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: it just means the user is in the sudoers file.
[10:39] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I was just running it and tried to use sudo and got an error that I wasn't in sudoers , looked, confirmed that I wasn't tried to su and couldn't guess the password, looked in the administration menu with alacarte to see how it was running apps with root privileges and saw that it was using gksu ( like normal ) and somehow while sudo, su and gksudo asked for a password gksu did not
[10:40] <arooni> how do i run the dpkg reconfiguration thing?
[10:40] <AnRkey> where can i find the gutsy tribe 4 powerpc cd images?
[10:40] <AnRkey> just found a mac in our store room and i wanna do some testing
[10:40] <AnRkey> it's a g4
[10:40] <AnRkey> i think
[10:41] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: so you're saying that my kousotu acct, the nly one on Ubuntu, isn't in the sudo file?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: there is no "sudo" file.  there is a "sudoers" file.
[10:41] <Kousotu> yet I can use sudo without issue
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: you dont login as root, no
[10:42] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, So I take it this is a bug and not intentional ?
[10:42] <Kousotu> right, but in the Live CD it's diferent
[10:42] <Kousotu> I've never had to sudo anything
[10:43] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, Then something is wrong, the "ubuntu" user should not be able to do that
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i would, yes.  can you subscribe me to it?
[10:43] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, It should be able to run sudo without a password though
[10:43] <pvandewyngaerde> AnRkey:  i also DONT see them at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/
[10:43] <Kousotu> Jordan_U: well aware of that
[10:43] <arooni> what should i set my Video RAM at for my intel x3100 video card?  i have 2GB of ram
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: the livecd usually doesnt give a password prompt.  a regular ubuntu user will
[10:43] <AnRkey> pvandewyngaerde, just found them
[10:43] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Yes, hopefully I can re-create it, I have since shut down
[10:44] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I know
[10:44] <AnRkey> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports
[10:44] <arooni> in kb
[10:44] <AnRkey> thanks though
[10:44] <pvandewyngaerde> have fun
[10:45] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Should I try re-creating it on a daily image or is tribe4 recent enough?
[10:45] <AnRkey> development after tribe 4 seems to be flying along, I can't believe how many updates there are everyday. It's fun watching it grow into a little ape :D
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: it's recent enough
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: please milestone it for tribe 5, if you have permission to
[10:46] <Kousotu> Hobbsee:is there any reason the T4a cd should HAVE to be in the CD drive to update/install packages?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: sure, if your sources list has the cd as a repo
[10:47] <Kousotu> oh.. and.. is there a way to reinstall the core?
[10:47] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, No, take the CD out of your sources.list
[10:47] <Kousotu> Jordan_U: I never put it there
[10:47] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, It is there by default
[10:47] <Kousotu> ah..
[11:04] <arooni> can someone help me figure out why x doesn't start on my lenovo t61 with intel x3100 integrated graphics??  using intel driver....  screen flashes for a sec.... then goes black....
[11:05] <Kousotu> arooni: I had that issue with gutsy T3
[11:06] <arooni> EE GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpart (No such file or directory) .... (WW) /dev/agpart is either not available or no memory is availble
[11:09] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Unfortunately not reproducible on my box, I can try on my friends box where I encountered the bug in the first place tomorrow, hopefully it is reproducible there :(
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i'd be more happy if it was a heisenbug
[11:10] <Hobbsee> anyway, /me --> home
[11:10] <AnRkey> how do i boot a mac g4 from cd?
[11:10] <AnRkey> i already don't like this thing
[11:13] <Jordan_U> AndrewB, Boot holding the C key
[11:14] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Or holding down option to see a list of all bootable devices
[11:14] <Jordan_U> ( with fancy little icons to boot, isn't open firmware great ;)
[11:15] <AnRkey> tried option+c
[11:15] <AnRkey> thats alt+c correct?
[11:15] <AnRkey> or am i being silly
[11:16] <AnRkey> hold down alt as i power it on, wait a second or two or wait till the keyboard flashes?
[11:17] <AnRkey> nope
[11:17] <AnRkey> tried all three now
[11:17] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, How can the keyboard flash on a G4?
[11:17] <AnRkey> caps lock flashes
[11:17] <Jordan_U> Ahh
[11:18] <ameyer> sounds like a kernel panic
[11:18] <AnRkey> just can't get it to boot into cd
[11:18] <AnRkey> driving me nuts
[11:18] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, And the keyboard works when the OS is booted?
[11:18] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, haha, lemme confirm
[11:19] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, You can also change the default boot device in system preferences from within OSx
[11:20] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, yeah keyboard is fine
[11:20] <AnRkey> ok
[11:20] <AnRkey> gonna try that
[11:20] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, brb
[11:26] <tomi> anybody got compiz f working with nvidia yet? (crashes when using other opengl app)
[11:28] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, really strange
[11:29] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, What?
[11:29] <AnRkey> the icon for the gutsy cd is on the desktop of osx
[11:29] <AnRkey> and i can browse the cd
[11:29] <AnRkey> can't see the option to boot from the cd in system options though
[11:29] <AnRkey> harddisk and network are there but not cd
[11:31] <Jordan_U> Do you have a known bootable CD like an OS X install CD?
[11:31] <AnRkey> no
[11:32] <AnRkey> u wanna confirm that the drive is bootable?
[11:32] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, See if rebooting and holding down Command + O + F brings you to an open firmware prompt
[11:33] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, No, I Don't remember if the OSx boot disk selector recognizes other OS's even if they are bootable, I know OS9 did
[11:34] <AnRkey> ok
[11:34] <AnRkey> doing a 250mb update now
[11:34] <AnRkey> command = ctrl?
[11:35] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, No, the Apple key
[11:35] <AnRkey> ok
[11:35] <AnRkey> gimme a few, brb
[11:35] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Try command + C possibly also
[11:38] <AnRkey> tried both
[11:39] <AnRkey> keyboard does work, fully tested and dvdrom does too
[11:39] <AnRkey> can't figure this one out
[11:39] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Sorry, for Open Firmware prompt it is command + option + O + F
[11:39] <AnRkey> i feel so stupid in front of this thing
[11:40] <AnRkey> so apple key pluss?
[11:40] <AnRkey> never used one of these things sorry
[11:40] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Plus as in hold them all down at the same time
[11:41] <AnRkey> haha i know that bit
[11:41] <AnRkey> command key?
[11:41] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, The key with an apple logo on it
[11:41] <AnRkey> thats command
[11:41] <AnRkey> then option key?
[11:41] <AnRkey> alt?
[11:42] <AnRkey> man i feel like a noob here
[11:42] <Jordan_U> Yes option == alt, it should show option on the keyboard though
[11:42] <AnRkey> brb
[11:43] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Well, holding down C should have worked, so it's not exactly your fault :)
[11:49] <AnRkey> i am gonna break this thing
[11:50] <AnRkey> nothing
[11:50] <AnRkey> i have tried every combination of keys now
[11:50] <Jordan_U> :(
[11:50] <AnRkey> and that startup sound is soooooo annoying
[11:50] <Jordan_U> If you mute the audio when booted into OS X it mutes the boot sound also
[11:53] <jussi01> AnRkey: what is the issue?
[11:54] <AnRkey> can't boot gutsy on a mac gv
[11:54] <AnRkey> g4
[11:54] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, This is stretching it a bit, but you could make an OSx LiveCD with a program called BootCD ( http://www.charlessoft.com/ ) set OS X to boot from that as it will actually recognize it as bootable then switch out CD's
[11:54] <jussi01> AnRkey: intel mac or powerpc?
[11:54] <AnRkey> powerpc
[11:54] <Jordan_U> powerPC
[11:55] <AnRkey> nobody is in our school and we have a 3rd floor
[11:55] <AnRkey>  :D
[11:55] <jussi01> hmmm, isnt there a section in the mac prefernces that you can change the boot device?
[11:55] <AnRkey> looked
[11:56] <AnRkey> it won't change boot order unless a mac os disk is in the drive it seems
[11:56] <Jordan_U> jussi01, Yes, but it only let's you select an OS x boot disk
[11:56] <AnRkey> snap
[11:56] <AnRkey> that'll be 6 beers
[11:57] <AnRkey> haha
[11:57] <AnRkey> cheet
[11:57] <jussi01> lol
[11:57] <AnRkey> cheat
[11:57] <AnRkey> :D
[11:57] <AnRkey> okok
[11:57] <AnRkey> so this BootCE qpp
[11:57] <AnRkey> app
[11:57] <AnRkey> where?
[11:57] <Jordan_U> http://www.charlessoft.com/
[11:57] <AnRkey> ok
[11:57] <AnRkey> gonna try that
[11:57] <AnRkey> be back in a bit
[11:58] <Jordan_U> Hopefully you aren't running 10.4
[11:58] <AnRkey> man the things i do for this os
[12:01] <jussi01> AnRkey: just reading abit about it, have you tried burning the cd with a different app than apple disk utility?
[12:01] <Jordan_U> jussi01, Why would that make a difference?
[12:02] <jussi01> Jordan_U: I dont know, I was just reading a forum and someone said they had the same issue and that fixed it...
[12:03] <jussi01> Jordan_U: AnRkey see the last post here: http://forums.macnn.com/104/alternative-operating-systems/328062/cant-boot-off-non-os-x/
[12:29] <AnRkey> jussi01, thanks
[12:30] <jussi01> AnRkey: did it work?
[12:31] <AnRkey> i did the burn with ubuntu
[12:31] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Is it now seen by OS X or does holding C work, or both?
[12:31] <AnRkey> have not reburned the dirsk
[12:31] <AnRkey> disk
[12:32] <AnRkey> i wanted to try the OSx LiveCD thingy
[12:42] <AnRkey> hahahah, it was the freaken keyboard
[12:42] <AnRkey> i went to the charlssoft.com site and it kept loading the site before i could finish the address
[12:42] <AnRkey> then i saw that the return key it stuck/broken on the mac keyboard
[12:42] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, :)
[12:43] <AnRkey> just plugged the box into all ibm compatible perrifs and boom
[12:43] <AnRkey> i can't believe this
[12:43] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, jussi01, thanks for the help
[12:43] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, np :)
[12:44] <jussi01> :)
[12:48] <AnRkey> it's running through the setup nicely now
[12:48] <AnRkey> just goes to show, never give up :)
[12:49] <jussi01> \o/
[12:50] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Are you using the LiveCD installer, and if so does Compiz Fusion work?
[12:53] <jussi01> lol
[12:54] <Jordan_U> I forgot how old those things are, I still think of them as being fast machines
[12:55] <Jordan_U> Then again they do run a composited window manager in OS X...
[12:58] <shadeofgrey> okay
[12:58] <shadeofgrey> so
[12:58] <shadeofgrey> officiallyu..  gutsy boots on my macbookpro
[12:58] <shadeofgrey> it asaks mee if i want to run the live CD or create adriver disk
[12:59] <shadeofgrey> but when i say start LiveCD it thinks REAL hard gets all the way through strting the abstraction layer and then the screen goes pourple and all hell breaks loose
[12:59] <shadeofgrey> BUT
[12:59] <shadeofgrey> the eject button actually functions in that state
[12:59] <shadeofgrey> clearly we're making progress
[01:00] <shadeofgrey> what i cant understahnd
[01:00] <shadeofgrey> is
[01:00] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, What model macbookPro?
[01:00] <shadeofgrey> if the liveCD can display the ubuntu logo petfectly and handle drawing the progeress bar why in the world cant it do that with everything else?
[01:00] <shadeofgrey> first generation macbookpro with ati hardware
[01:00] <shadeofgrey> which of course is the problem
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> ati
[01:01] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, I have the same model, I got the liveCD to work with a little work
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> i am all ears
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> brother
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> noiw hers my second question then
[01:02] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Can you see switch to tty1 and see it ( sounds like you can't with your explanation of a purple screen but I could after X crashed initially ) ?
[01:02] <shadeofgrey> is the option to make a driver disk what needs to happen so when i run bootcamp i put that in instead of the drivers disk theymake for windows?
[01:02] <shadeofgrey> no but i COULD see some really long error that was just garbage
[01:02] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, No, just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh and choose VESA
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> how do i do that?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Ok, at that point press ctrl+alt+F1
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> and how do iset the sudo password?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> No need, it won't ask for a password when you use sudo
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> what do i doi after i give that command then
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> reboot?
[01:04] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, No, if you reboot all settings will be lost
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> i have togo through all the options
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> i understand
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> this isnt going to make changesto my system is it?
[01:05] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> and jordan may we speak in privcate a moment?
[01:05] <Jordan_U> No, it's all in RAM
[01:05] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Sure
[01:09] <shadeofgrey> jordan ae you getting my pm?
[01:12] <Jordan_U> Yes, And I responded
[01:12] <shadeofgrey> i didnt get the responses
[01:12] <shadeofgrey> hang on time to change clients
[01:14] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, It was my fault, I hadn't identified myself as a registered user so my PMs were being blocked
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> shadeofgrey> bottom line
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> [07:14]   <shadeofgrey> the make a wish foundation ius willing to buy me 12 grand worth of computing equipment
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> [07:14]   <shadeofgrey> do i get a macpro with 12 gig of ram and triple boot
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> [07:14]   <shadeofgrey> or buy an alienware, dual boot win and ubuntu and then buy adobe over?
[01:18] <AnRkey> Jordan_U,  no suitable kernel :(
[01:20] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, When are you getting this error?
[01:21] <AnRkey> near the end of the base install
[01:21] <AnRkey> downloading the live cd version quick
[01:21] <AnRkey> i had this on the build from the 15th for i386 too
[01:22] <AnRkey> it's holidays here so i don't have much work as our school kids are not here so testing allot now
[01:22] <AnRkey> i have 4 comps to test on now
[02:10] <Marco> hey, is the plan to include 2.6.23 with the final gutsy release?
[02:11] <Pici> Marco: I dont believe so.
[02:17] <SeveredCross> Is there a reported issue with NetworkManager/networking in general not starting dhclient?
[02:17] <SeveredCross> Because I've been having severe internet issues and narrowed it down to DHCP not starting when it's supposed to.
[02:18] <SeveredCross> More precisely, dhclient.
[02:33] <SeveredCross> I think I fixed it...Looks like a bug in /etc/init.d/networking
[02:33] <SeveredCross> Nearly the whole restart section ends up looking like one big string due to some bad writing of a sed | grep combination for stop.
[02:55] <AnRkey> SeveredCross, I have had some issues with tribe3's network manager but it's fine now on all 5 test workstations here
[02:56] <AnRkey> to fix my problems i had to disable roaming for my nic
[03:10] <AnRkey> ok i can't get any daily builds to run on this mac g4
[03:10] <AnRkey> who do i report this problems too?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> daily builds probably arent working yet - we're not near a tribe
[03:11] <Hobbsee> wait a few days (until tuesday or so) and try again
[03:11] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: but you didnt mention what the problem is
[03:13] <AnRkey> no kernel candidate to install on the alternate cd
[03:13] <AnRkey> and the live cd just hangs
[03:13] <AnRkey> can't get much from the live in the way of logs
[03:13] <AnRkey> can't switch to console at all
[03:13] <AnRkey> is there a trouble shooting guide for mac testing?
[03:13] <AnRkey> this is my first time testing on macs
[03:15] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Try switching to a console with fn+ctrl+alt+F1 , the function keys may be brightness controls by default
[03:15] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, gonna try now
[03:16] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, How much RAM does the mac have?
[03:16] <Pici> AnRkey: Is that a ppc?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: ah yes, that's known
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Pici, Yes ( earlier he said it was a G4 )
[03:17] <Pici> Jordan_U: Okay, I'm not up to spec on my mac hardware ;)
[03:23] <AnRkey> it's a ppc
[03:25] <AnRkey> this is a tough one today
[03:25] <AnRkey> can't get any joy
[03:25] <AnRkey> well the alternate was fine, just needed a kernel to be installed and that failed so i will wait for a working build
[03:25] <AnRkey> gonna try again on monday
[03:25] <AnRkey> this mac has been in the store for a year now :D
[03:26] <AnRkey> fixed the keyboard though, keypad return was stuck in the down position
[03:26] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: main doesnt freeze again until tuesday.  would be helpful for you to get involved with the tribe 5 testing.
[03:27] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, i have loads of time in the next little while so i don't mind testing
[03:27] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: as in, testing before the main freeze is mostly useless - it's not really expected to work
[03:28] <AnRkey> i have 3 pc's 1 mac and my wife and i are gonna dist-upgrade when tribe 5 comes
[03:28] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, ok will wait then
[03:29] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, how much software is in the ppc archives? or do mac users compile from source allot? How big is the mac team?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: a bit less than is in i386/amd64.  some of it doesnt build.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: teh canonical people dont do mac stuff anymore (as in, spend time fixing it if it breaks) as it's a community port
[03:32] <Pici> !ppc
[03:32] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[03:38] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, Are there no more ppc based macs being made then?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: you'd really have to ask a mac person that....
[03:39] <AnRkey> haha, ok cool, i'll ask our art teacher shes a mac nut
[03:39] <AnRkey> I wanna make this on our mp3 server :D
[03:40] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, no, there are no more PPC macs being made
[03:40] <AnRkey> I have an mpd server at home and i want one here at work
[03:40] <kakaruto> whats new in "Gutsy Gibbon"?
[03:40] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, u use a mac?
[03:40] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Yes
[03:42] <AnRkey> kakaruto, check this out to get an idea of what is going on ... >> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[03:43] <AnRkey> i wanna see how compiz fusion runs on this g4
[03:43] <AnRkey> i was amazed at how smooth it is on a 4 year old intel onboard
[03:45] <kakaruto> AnRkey ok
[03:47] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, I honestly don'T THINK
[03:48] <Jordan_U> as
[03:48] <Jordan_U> asdf
[03:48] <Jordan_U> Sorry, cat on the keyboard :)
[03:49] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, I honestly don't think Compiz Fusion will run at all, this is what, a 7 year old computer?
[03:51] <AnRkey> well i have a friend that said feisty and beryl runs fine on his
[03:55] <BetaTester> Can somebody give me just some basic directions regarding gs, gs-esp and gs-gpl. #ghostscript is "dead"
[03:56] <coNP> BetaTester: what do you want to kow? :)
[03:57] <coNP> know even
[03:58] <BetaTester> coNP. I have problems with the wrapper min12xxw or with ghostscript. My printers stops printing on docs with more pages. I had a stock ubuntu 6.06. Then I compiled from source gs-gpl 8.54 and thigs were better - I could print about 5-6 pages more
[03:58] <BetaTester> I have gs-esp too install
[03:58] <BetaTester> which one is used
[03:58] <BetaTester> I see the ppds contain lines starting gs only
[03:59] <BetaTester> can I use gs-esp or gs-afpl instead of gs
[04:00] <BetaTester> what do I do coNP, can I switch between different ghostscript types installed?
[04:02] <coNP> BetaTester: sorry, I don't know.
[04:02] <BetaTester> coNP, thank you for your time.
[04:03] <coNP> Actually update-alternatives is the usual way, but ghostscript seems to work somehow else
[04:04] <coNP> I am almost sure someone knows the hows and whys... If there is no answer for a while, you might ask this question on #ubuntu-devel as well.
[04:04] <BetaTester> coNP I am 90% sure this is a wrapper problem - min12xxw because the wrapper of the HP-s hplip prints these documents just fine on all HP-a
[04:05] <BetaTester> *HP-s
[04:05] <BetaTester> they both use GS
[04:05] <BetaTester> imho it comes out that GS passes one and the same info to the wrapper and min12xxw breaks while hplip is fine
[04:05] <BetaTester> I dunno if ubuntu-devel will help me on a wrapper problem...
[04:06] <BetaTester> I guess I will have to seek the developers of the wrapper
[04:19] <Dekkard> is thundrbird broken?
[04:34] <Do``> anybody else noticed opera freezes with flash content on web pages?
[04:51] <Pici> Do``: Firefox does the same
[04:53] <sn0> Do`` some flash sites in opera cause opera to hang if they are in fullscreen mode
[04:54] <sn0> it does the same in windows, so more a flash/opera thing maybe
[04:58] <Amaranth> Do``: flash sucks, it crashes a lot
[04:59] <Amaranth> and it takes the browser down with it
[05:00] <sn0> its nice to see gnash getting very useable :)
[05:08] <pvandewyngaerde> gmometris is slow on my kubuntu
[05:19] <THX-1138_> Does anyone remember the command to see if your video card is using direct rendering? was it glxinfo |  grep direct ? pvandey i wonder if that is what you need?
[05:28] <robtaylor> THX-1138_: that'd work
[05:29] <robtaylor> THX-1138_: glxinfo ouputs "direct rendering: Yes" if DRI's on
[05:30] <THX-1138_> Ah, Great! - Thank You.
[05:33] <daniele_982> hello all
[05:33] <daniele_982>  i'm a user of debian and ubuntu and i want know if there're a solution for a big bug of gutsy (and prevoiusly Feisty): http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/ErroreTTY
[05:34] <daniele_982> sameone here or i'm only?
[05:35] <daniele_982> mmm i'm only
[05:39] <daniele_982> i'm a user of debian and ubuntu and i want know if there're a solution for a big bug of gutsy (and prevoiusly Feisty): http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/ErroreTTY
[05:43] <Pici> daniele_982: Is there a bug filed on Launchpad for this? (I can't read italian?)
[05:43] <daniele_982> Pici: yes...one second
[05:44] <daniele_982> Pici: this's for tribe 3 but also tribe 4 same error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121111
[05:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 3 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[05:46] <daniele_982> ubotu: yes but my laptop is a sony vaio fz18m
[05:46] <Pici> daniele_982: The comments for that bug says that the changes missed Tribe 4 but should be fixed.
[05:46] <daniele_982> Pici: noooo
[05:47] <Pici> daniele_982: ubotu is a bug.
[05:47] <Pici> er, bot.
[05:47] <daniele_982> Pici: the error is present
[05:47] <daniele_982> yes :-D
[05:47] <Pici> daniele_982: So comment on the bug and say its still an issue
[05:48] <daniele_982> Pici: excuse me i not understand
[05:48] <daniele_982> Pici: you want know the problem on my laptop?
[05:49] <Pici> daniele_982: Is bug 121111 applicable to your problem
[05:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 3 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111
[05:49] <daniele_982> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129817
[05:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129817 in linux-source-2.6.22 "install fails: busybox (initramfs): can't access tty: (/dev/sda trouble?)" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[05:52] <Pici> I'm really not sure what to say, sorry.
[05:55] <daniele_982> Pici: not sure??? why??? the problem is simple abd there're a lot of people with the same problem. Really this problem is present in feisty and now in gutsy. When you insert the live-cd it show: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off and than (busybox)
[05:59] <albert23> daniele_982: Do you want to install Gutsy or do you just want to run the Live CD?
[06:00] <daniele_982> albert23: install, but the problem is still in live cd because it not start: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off and than (busybox)
[06:01] <albert23> daniele_982: To install Gutsy you can use the alternate CD. That doesn't have the busybox problem.
[06:01] <daniele_982> albert23: i've seen il launchpad, a lot of people and a lot of different solution but not one good. This is ridicule because the same bug is present in feisty (not in edgy) and the installer has still this problem
[06:02] <daniele_982> albert23: ok but in desktop cd not solve this problem??? isn't new, this is still a problem of feisty
[06:02] <daniele_982> albert23: and if i'm a newbie??? i'm died
[06:03] <albert23> daniele_982: I think the problem is related to the new Intel chip-set (santa rosa). It will take some time to get that new hardware supported.
[06:03] <daniele_982> albert23: if the problem is the the new intel chipset why in Edgy found???
[06:04] <daniele_982> excuse-me for my english i'm italian :(
[06:04] <albert23> I only have seen this in Feisty before, no idea about edgy
[06:05] <albert23> Maybe people just re-use their old CD's on new hardware?
[06:05] <daniele_982> albert23: mmm, i not understand...but in the same laptop with Feisty and gutsy= busybox in Edgy no
[06:07] <albert23> Don't know about that. It seems they have been changing drivers anyway, because in Feisty I need to use piix and in Gutsy I need ide-generic for my CD.
[06:07] <leperkhanz> Is there a fix for the update manager problem yet?
[06:07] <albert23> I can only say the alternate CD worked on my new laptop, the Live CD did not work.
[06:08] <albert23> leperkhanz: update manager was updated twice in the past 24 hours. Now it works fine again.
[06:08] <leperkhanz> So how do I make it work?
[06:08] <Eq|work> albert23 : is your onboard sata controller in ide or ahci mode?
[06:08] <daniele_982> albert23: but the developer working for this problem???
[06:08] <leperkhanz> it says software index is broken.
[06:09] <albert23> Eq|work: ahci
[06:09] <Eq|work> and you have your cdrom/dvdrom working?
[06:09] <albert23> Eq|work: yes, try modprobe ide-generic. If it works add ide-generic to /etc/modules
[06:09] <Eq|work> hrm
[06:10] <daniele_982> no this solution for my laptop is bad
[06:10] <Eq|work> will check it now
[06:10] <Eq|work> odd that the edgy installer works..
[06:10] <Eq|work> daniele_982 : install edgy, then update from that to feisty, then finally to gutsy?
[06:11] <leperkhanz> sudo apt-get update did it.
[06:11] <daniele_982> Eq|work: ridicule solution, you think?
[06:11] <Eq|work> to an extent, yes
[06:11] <Eq|work> but linux support for this chipset is very new
[06:11] <Eq|work> and many things aren't straightforward
[06:11] <Eq|work> in this case, the issue lies with two things, afaik
[06:11] <Eq|work> one - the cdrom disappears when the kernel loads up
[06:11] <Eq|work> two - the X driver on gutsy isn't new enough
[06:11] <daniele_982> but if the chipset is new why in Edgy found?
[06:12] <Eq|work> the 2nd may have been corrected for tribe4
[06:12] <albert23> leperkhanz: I first went back to the old update manager, then the update today went fine
[06:12] <Eq|work> daniele_982 : i suspect that the older livecd uses ide-generic when piix fails
[06:12] <daniele_982> but in this channel thare're developers that works for ubuntu?
[06:12] <Eq|work> and the older version of piix would fail due to it not knowing anything about that chipset
[06:12] <Eq|work> at times
[06:12] <Eq|work> not constantly
[06:13] <Eq|work> this isn't a ubuntu-specific issue though
[06:14] <daniele_982> Eq|work: but you think that the problem is irrisolute for finally release of Gutsy?
[06:14] <Eq|work> depends more on the kernel in my opinion
[06:15] <Eq|work> albert23 : sweet, that works..
[06:15] <Eq|work> and gives me an idea.
[06:15] <Eq|work> daniele_982 : hold on a few, i want to check something
[06:16] <GuyFromHell> anyone know how to get katapult to actually show up in the task bar so i can get the settings?
[06:16] <daniele_982> Eq|work: hold an a few = attend??? excuse my but i'm italian
[06:16] <Eq|work> daniele_982 : wait a few minutes please
[06:16] <albert23> Eq|work: the break=top / modprobe ide-generic trick works to start the Live-CD, but it seems there are still problems if you install Gutsy from the Live CD
[06:16] <daniele_982> Eq|work: ok thans
[06:17] <Eq|work> albert23 : break=top ? and what sort of problems?
[06:18] <daniele_982> Eq|work: is one of solution for this problem in launchpad
[06:18] <Eq|work> link?
[06:18] <albert23> The live CD breaks to busybox on santa rosa. There is a trick to get it running.
[06:18] <Eq|work> yes, i know it does.. it's rather annoying tbh.
[06:19] <Eq|work> but i do understand why it's doing it
[06:21] <albert23> I think it cannot read the CD because ide-generic is not in the initramfs
[06:21] <Eq|work> personally i believe it IS
[06:21] <albert23> or at least not loaded...
[06:21] <Eq|work> and in fact, it is
[06:21] <Eq|work> the problem, however, is that another module is matching
[06:21] <Eq|work> so it doesn't load it
[06:22] <Eq|work> well, it's that or that it tries to load it before some other module that is required
[06:22] <daniele_982> Eq|work: what module? ide-generic?
[06:22] <Eq|work> yeah
[06:22] <daniele_982> Eq|work: no!!! whit this module i re-enter in busybox
[06:23] <daniele_982> *with
[06:23] <Eq|work> daniele_982 : no, ide_generic is the correct module
[06:23] <albert23> daniele_982: do you use the break=top boot option?
[06:23] <Eq|work> here is a possible thing of what is happening
[06:24] <Eq|work> initrd is trying to load various modules. it tries ide_generic, but it fails
[06:24] <daniele_982> albert23: yes
[06:24] <Eq|work> later, it tries ata_piix and ata_generic
[06:24] <Eq|work> they succeed
[06:24] <Joanie> hey is there a way to reverse an update?
[06:24] <Eq|work> if it tried ide_generic AFTER them, it should work
[06:24] <daniele_982> Eq|work: in fact i've read also this solution in launchpad but same error
[06:25] <daniele_982> albert23: i've read also acpi=off acpi=force ....
[06:26] <albert23> daniele_982: the break=top / modprobe ide-generic did work for me, so I have not tried any other options
[06:27] <daniele_982> albert23: according to me you're lucky :-D
[06:28] <daniele_982> (18:27:06) sistpoty: daniele_982: ah, k... maybe you'd want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel then (as it appears to be a kernel bug). However don't expect it to be top priority, as the kernel causes lots of subtle and hard to debug bugs
[06:28] <daniele_982> ahhhahhhahh
[06:28] <albert23> Well, I already installed with the alternate CD, so I was lucky already....
[06:28] <daniele_982> not top priority???
[06:29] <daniele_982> albert23: with alternate cd it found but if i'm newbie??? i not use linux
[06:30] <albert23> I would say the menu's are not too difficult. Just give it a try....
[06:31] <SoulChild> how do i deactivate UUID's in grub/menu.lst ??? tried already to change "kopt" to "/ev/hda3" but update-grub still puts the UUID's as device names , any help would be great !
[06:54] <lontra> could someone tell me the url that the restricted manager uses to get the firmware for bcm43xx?
[06:57] <lontra> i can get the bcm43xx firmware to work in the 2.6.20 kernel but not the 2.6.22 kernel cause i don't have internet access ... and apparently i need to run restricted-manager twice .. thanks
[07:07] <lontra> what's the best way to install compiz-fusion in kubuntu gutsy?
[07:09] <nosredna_ekim> lontra: its installed by default :)
[07:09] <lontra> nosredna_ekim: really?
[07:09] <nosredna_ekim> yep
[07:09] <lontra> nosredna_ekim: Package `compiz-kde' is not installed
[07:10] <nosredna_ekim> lontra: try just typing compiz" into the command line.
[07:10] <lontra> nosredna_ekim: compiz isn't installed either
[07:10] <nosredna_ekim> lontra: maybe it isn't... maybe I installed it.
[07:10] <nosredna_ekim> lontra: it is on ubutnu.... odd
[07:27] <Do``> is there any easy way to set up a random rotating wallpaper feature for ubuntu?
[07:28] <Do``> downloading from any photosharing site isnt a required feature, i only want to rotate pictures from a given folder
[07:30] <shirish> hi all, I had filed a bug & somebody says I need to run /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 in the CLI does he mean this
[07:30] <shirish> ./usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 or something else?
[07:31] <mon^rch> gl slideshow is nice for looking at pics
[07:32] <shirish> mon^rch: do you know anything about how to run the applet from the CLI?
[07:33] <Pici> shirish: Why dont you just try it and see.
[07:33] <shirish> Pici: I did & it tells me bash: ./usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2: No such file or directory
[07:34] <mon^rch> shirish: no, sorry :(
[07:34] <shirish> Pici: and when I go to the gnome-applets directory its sitting there
[07:34] <Pici> shirish: Whats the bug #?
[07:34] <shirish> Pici: bug #129315
[07:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129315 in gdm "GNOME-desktop does not lemme log in. " [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129315
[07:36] <Pici> just do /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2
[07:36] <shirish> Pici: thanx
[07:44] <Pici> !test pici read this
[07:45] <Pici> !test > pici read this
[07:54] <shirish> guys is there a way to find the package which installed a certain command
[07:54] <Pici> shirish: sure
[07:54] <Pici> shirish: dpkg -S /usr/bin/command
[07:54] <Pici> Works for any file
[07:55] <shirish> Pici: I did that but with small -s rather than -S , stupid of me
[07:55] <Pici> shirish: if you're feeling fancy, you can do:  dpkg -S `which command`
[07:57] <shirish> Pici: while the above worked, the 'which' is kinda tempting until unless you have installed a games package also called 'whichwayisup' as that one also gets pulled in.
[07:58] <Pici> you need to use the backticks
[07:59] <shirish> Pici: ah
[08:00] <shirish> Pici: what do you know it works ;)
[08:00] <Pici> Of course ;)
[08:08] <shirish> Pici: if you have 2-3 different applications open to cycle through them you use ALT+TAB right?
[08:09] <shirish> Pici: kinda like app. switcher
[08:09] <Do``> hmhm i just installed 'drapes' to set up rotating wallpapers
[08:09] <Do``> and it's using over 1.3gb of ram now
[08:09] <Do``> could be buggy?
[08:10] <shirish> Do``: wow, that's a lot of RAM, it could be very buggy
[08:10] <Do``> i just added a directory of pictures, about 160mb
[08:11] <Do``> first i thought it was 'processing' them, i dont anymore
[08:18] <Assid> hey
[08:19] <shirish> Pici: you there buddy?
[08:19] <Pici> shirish: Yep
[08:20] <shirish> Pici: ok 1 question, do you run compiz? If yes, can you disable it & run couple of things for me
[08:20] <Assid> err
[08:20] <Pici> I do run it on my laptop at home...
[08:21] <Assid> anyone got the printers working using cups on gutsy
[08:21] <Pici> But thats not where I am right now.  My work ubuntu computer isnt running compiz.
[08:21] <shirish> Pici: but have you ran compiz ever on this machine or no?
[08:21] <nosredna_ekim> Assid: yes... but i'm not on gutsy right now.
[08:22] <Assid> you using HP ?
[08:22] <Pici> shirish: Nope, it doesnt support it
[08:22] <shirish> Pici: ok :(
[08:24] <nosredna_ekim> Assid: yeah... but remote CUPS server.
[08:25] <shirish> Assid: I don't know much but there is lot of stuff happening with cupsd, I read couple of specs of getting the fedora print manger or something to work, they beautified it also or something like that.
[08:37] <SoulChild> hey all
[08:38] <SoulChild> Pressign TAB after entering my username in GDM it does not switch to password, instead it selects my username ,.. why had that been changed ?
[08:38] <nosredna_ekim> hello
[08:42] <shirish> Pici: have you had success with doing debugging program crashes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:42] <Pici> shirish: to some extent
[08:43] <shirish> Pici: I thought this was not possible due to a kernel bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74691
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74691 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Unable to debug under 2.6.22 on i386: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory" [High,Fix released] 
[08:45] <Assid> kvpnc is broken ?
[08:46] <shirish> Assid: what's kvpnc?
[08:47] <shirish> ubotu kvpnc
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvpnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <Pici> shirish: I dont know, I was using strace to do debugging when I was debugging something.
[08:47] <Assid> magical workd of vpn
[08:48] <shirish> vpn as in virtual private networking?
[08:52] <Assid> yes
[08:54] <|muelli|> Hi. Did anyone ever boot a livecd off the network? like with PXE? (or even USB?)
[08:57] <`Matir> When I do a suspend from the power manager, it works fine, but when it comes back up, there's a message saying "Your computer failed to suspend..."
[09:00] <nosredna_ekim> `Matir: thats probably because it couldn't stop/start a service.
[09:03] <dgjones> anybody used the alternate gutsy cd? i downloaded it to try, when i got to the disk partitioning section, I could only select use whole disk, or use LVM, I couldn't get to an option to use free space and create a partition within that
[09:03] <Assid> damn
[09:04] <Assid> i wish the cups maintainer would  check cups on gutsy.. and the whole security stuff
[09:04] <Assid> somehow i think selinux is causing cups to go nuts
[09:04] <nosredna_ekim> Assid: you have selinux?
[09:05] <Assid> gutsy is selinux
[09:05] <Assid> rather seems to use it
[09:05] <buz> does anybody know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/126249 made it into -9? (just trying to figure out if my latitude suffers of yet another issue)
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126249 in linux-source-2.6.22 "dell m1210 sound completely broken - gutsy" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[09:06] <nosredna_ekim> Assid:  i THINK YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED WITH APPARMOR
[09:06] <nosredna_ekim> sorry, caps
[09:07] <Assid> nosredna_ekim: nope./.. syslog kept showing rw access.. something i did in /etc/security now it says m access
[09:07] <Assid> i dont know what else to do.. so now im not printing :(
[09:11] <teratoma> i am runnign aiglx, but i can't get compiz to work, any ideas?
[09:13] <buz> teratoma: what graphics card
[09:14] <teratoma> buz: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[09:14] <buz> not sure if that one really supports aiglx
[09:14] <teratoma> how do i figure out if it does?
[09:15] <nosredna_ekim> yes, it does... anything above a 835 does
[09:15] <nosredna_ekim> my 835 works soo...
[09:17] <buz> mhh does compiz say anything?
[09:17] <buz> is there already a working gui for xrandr 1.2?
[09:17] <nosredna_ekim> teratoma: are you on Kubuntu?
[09:17] <buz> i can't really figure out the man page so far
[09:18] <teratoma> nosredna_ekim: i am using ubuntu
[09:18] <nosredna_ekim> teratoma: so what doesn't work?
[09:18] <teratoma> desktop effects
[09:18] <teratoma> when i try to turn them on i get the vague error 'cannot turn on desktop effects'
[09:19] <buz> did you try compiz --replace on the console?
[09:19] <buz> that should give slightly more useful errors
[09:20] <teratoma> buz: now i get Checking for Xgl: not present.
[09:20] <buz> thats what its supposed to say
[09:20] <teratoma> and 'no manageable screens'
[09:22] <nosredna_ekim> its NOT supposed to say that...
[09:23] <buz> not supposed to say the second one, yes
[09:23] <buz> gna xrandr is useless, it can only do 1920x1920 for dual head and my primary screen is 1920x1200 alone
[09:25] <buz> back to frigging xinerama then
[09:25] <Do``> could someone suggest a cleanup software that checks packages based on usage or something? after upgrading to 7.10 i lost nearly 2g free space and i guess most of that could be freed back somehow
[09:26] <buz> Do``: check /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:26] <buz> thats where it stores the .deb, usually they arent used after install anymore
[09:27] <Do``> hm
[09:27] <Do``> that's only 800mb
[09:27] <buz> well it's a start ;)
[09:27] <Do``> where could the other 1.2gb stuff hide?
[09:27] <buz> gutsy likely is somehwat bigger
[09:27] <Do``> i doubt its all new features
[09:27] <buz> but not that much
[09:27] <buz> oh of course, the old kernel stays after an update
[09:27] <buz> thats a few 100mb as well
[09:28] <Do``> already cleaned it
[09:28] <Do``> with synaptic
[09:30] <buz> how are my chances to get the feisty kernel onto an gutsy userland? supposedly it does support my soundcard whereas its broken on gutsy
[09:42] <SeveredCross> buz: You should be able to just download the deb from the archives and install with dpkg or gdebi.
[09:42] <SeveredCross> Do``: Try deborphan.
[09:42] <SeveredCross> It checks for unused packages.
[09:46] <yuriy> hi, anybody know how (an easy way) to get back the gaim icons in pidgin on gutsy?
[09:47] <SeveredCross> Download an old gaim deb from feisty repos, extract it, and install the icon theme as you would any icon theme in pidgin.
[09:48] <yuriy> how would i normally install an icon theme? can i just extract it somewhere or do i need gnome config dialogs? (i'm on kubuntu)
[09:49] <SeveredCross> I think you extract it somewhere and drag it into the pidgin icon theme dialog.
[09:53] <Marco> to any developers, you might want to make installing libmtp6 mandate removal of libmtp5
[09:54] <nosredna_ekim> Marco: #ubuntu-motu
[09:55] <Eq|laptop> albert23: do you have working sound?
[09:57] <albert23> Eq|laptop: yes, I have
[09:57] <Eq|laptop> cool. what codec is hda_intel using?
[09:57] <Marco> btw, which package provides support for volume keyboard buttons in gnome
[09:57] <SeveredCross> Uh...Huh?
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Soundcards don't deal with codecs do they?
[09:58] <albert23> mine is realtek. I need to compile Alsa myself, with a patch for the realtek chip
[09:58] <Marco> I want to change the track which it changes the value for
[09:58] <Eq|laptop> ah.. mine isn't realtek
[09:58] <Marco> SeveredCross, they can
[09:58] <Eq|laptop> SeveredCross: you obviously haven't seen the boot messages pertaining to hda_intel
[09:58] <Marco> a really expensive card can do decoding and encoding all on board
[09:59] <SeveredCross> I haven't looked at any of the hda_intel boot messages, tbh.
[09:59] <SeveredCross> And I should've figured that a really expensive card would, yeah.
[09:59] <Eq|laptop> mine uses sigmatel.. i've not been able to find anything about that chipset for hda_intel on any linux distro, let alone ubuntu
[09:59] <SeveredCross> I know I have a Sigmatel chipset, and everything works fine.
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Actually, one thing is borked.
[10:00] <SeveredCross> That wasn't borked in Feisty.
[10:00] <Eq|laptop> give me a sec and i'll tell you exactly which one
[10:00] <SeveredCross> LFE is suspiciously missing...
[10:00] <Eq|laptop> *powers up work laptop*
[10:00] <Eq|laptop> yeah, there are bugreports about taht
[10:00] <Eq|laptop> the mixer is mapped wrong
[10:00] <SeveredCross> I have a third speaker on my Inspiron E1705, and it worked in Feisty, but LFE poofed in Gutsy.
[10:00] <Eq|laptop> came across reports of that one
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Is it gonna be fixed again for Gutsy release?
[10:01] <Eq|laptop> no clue
[10:01] <Eq|laptop> ask the devs? :)
[10:01] <albert23> Eq|laptop: my  alsa source tree has a lot of hits on sigmatel
[10:02] <Eq|laptop> albert23: if i'm going to have to start rebuilding things from source, i'll just go back to debian
[10:03] <Eq|laptop> so far i've not really had the benefits i was looking for from ubuntu
[10:04] <albert23> Eq|laptop: I moved from Debian to Ubuntu a couple of months ago. I thought Debian (sarge) was getting too old.
[10:04] <Eq|laptop> i've not used stable in years
[10:04] <Eq|laptop> and sarge is positively ancient
[10:04] <albert23> At least Ubuntu will give you an update 2 times per year
[10:04] <Eq|laptop> has been oldstable for nearly a year
[10:05] <Eq|laptop> only one of those is ever considered properly stable
[10:05] <Eq|laptop> afaik
[10:05] <Eq|laptop> and tbh, so far i've had more trouble (with both feisty and gutsy) that i've ever had with debian/sid
[10:06] <albert23> Feisty has been running stable for me since June. Edgy was fine too
[10:06] <Eq|laptop> i even run experimental on a couple of machines, and they've been rock solid
[10:06] <Eq|laptop> not to mention everything just working
[10:14] <soc> hi
[10:14] <soc> how likely is it that x.org devs will be on time with their 7.3/1.4 release?
[10:14] <soc> is there a chance that it will make it into gutsy?
[10:15] <|muelli|> umm.. I can't install with the gutsy netinstaller. It complains about a BAD gpg signature... :-\
[10:15] <Eq|laptop> soc: probably, maybe, respectively, afaik
[10:15] <soc> ah ok
[10:15] <Eq|laptop> if it's on time, it'll likely make a late entry into gutsy
[10:15] <Eq|laptop> but i don't know for sure
[10:16] <soc> so it is planned?
[10:16] <Eq|laptop> |muelli|: try a different mirror?
[10:16] <Eq|laptop> soc: i /believe/ so
[10:16] <Eq|laptop> but i'm not a dev nor a member of the people that make the decisions
[10:16] <soc> ok, so if the x.org dev are on time we will probably see it in gutsy too
[10:16] <Eq|laptop> all being well
[10:16] <soc> thx eq|laptop
[10:16] <soc> with 7.3 comes 1.4 if i'm right?
[10:17] <|muelli|> Eq|laptop: I did... But I give the tuvalun mirror a try...
[10:17] <|muelli|> nope.. no luck :(
[10:17] <albert23> soc: 7.3 is reported on blueprints as "good progress". 1.4 is TBD
[10:17] <|muelli|> darn
[10:18] <ameyer> isn't 7.3 1.3?
[10:18] <soc> tbd?
[10:18] <soc> no, 7.2 had 1.3
[10:18] <soc> ah ok
[10:18] <ameyer> you sure?
[10:18] <albert23> tbd is to be decided
[10:18] <soc> to be determined
[10:18] <soc> ah ok
[10:19] <|muelli|> funny. I deleted the gpg signature and now it works...
[10:19] <Eq|laptop> |muelli|: heh. sounds like a dodgy sig dl then
[10:20] <|muelli|> but it fails "can't chroot /target mount -t proc proc proc"
[10:20] <|muelli|> :-\
[10:20] <soc> wth is 2.7.7+2.7.7-0ubuntu4?
[10:20] <soc> the version number is quite weird ...
[10:20] <soc> (hpijs)
[10:20] <|muelli|> mount - no such file or directory
[10:20] <|muelli|> ...
[10:21] <Do``> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2007-August/msg00047.html
[10:21] <Do``> any debs on this? :P
[10:21] <soc> in gutsy
[10:21] <Eq|laptop> |muelli|: something in your dl is buggered
[10:21] <Eq|laptop> any particular reason you're trying to do the netinstall?
[10:22] <|muelli|> yes Eq|laptop. I have no cdrom drive and USB doesnt work for me...
[10:22] <|muelli|> if you have any good ressources of how to boot a livecd off a USB drive, that tell me...
[10:23] <Eq|laptop> ah
[10:23] <|muelli|> s/that/than/
[10:23] <|muelli|> s/than/then/ omg..
[10:28] <|muelli|> if a download fails, what's the difference between "Continue" and "Go Back". I can't see any...
[10:32] <Eq|laptop> |muelli|: at that stage, probably nothing
[10:32] <darkstar61> hi all, i'm running kubuntu gutsy fully upgraded... according to this http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~mpd/sane/sane-canon.html#Download i need to patch/recompile the sg.c driver, so i downloaded the kernel source and applied the patch to the sg.c file...
[10:32] <soc> Die Abteilung Verkehrsbussen, die nichts mit Strassenbahnen und Omnibusverkehr zu tun hat, informiert mich ber meine Zahlungspflicht:
[10:32] <|muelli|> Eq|laptop: but will it retry or just skip the package?!
[10:32] <soc> bussen sind buen?
[10:33] <darkstar61> now i have only to do a make...?
[10:33] <soc> innert = innerhalb?
[10:33] <soc> ooops
[10:33] <|muelli|> I mean skipping packages would be crazy...
[10:33] <soc> wring channel
[10:33] <darkstar61> and change the new sg.o with the default one?
[10:34] <darkstar61> what is the correct procedure to accomplish the sg substitution...? thnx...
[10:35] <Eq|laptop> |muelli|: i think it aborts and goes back to the start..
[10:35] <|muelli|> well Eq|laptop.apparantly it doesn't...
[10:36] <Eq|laptop> odd
[10:36] <|muelli|> very..
[10:37] <|muelli|> but my network connection seems to be very flaky as well. I can't understand that...
[10:45] <Instabin> doing an update and now i have a broken package
[10:45] <Instabin> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules', which is also in package libmtp5
[10:46] <Eq|laptop> sounds like bad timing
[10:46] <Eq|laptop> then again
[10:46] <Eq|laptop> looks like it should be replacing libmtp5
[10:46] <Eq|laptop> so probably a missing conflicts
[10:47] <databuddy> i got ter damn job :>
[10:47] <Instabin> Now update says my software index is broken
[10:48] <Eq|laptop> yep. you've caught it in the middle of a repo update
[10:48] <albert23> bug: #133207
[10:49] <albert23> bug 133207
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133207 in libmtp "libmtp6 cannot coexist with libmtp5 and should be made to remove libmtp5 (dup-of: 133165)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133207
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133165 in libmtp "Should conflict with libmtp5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133165
[10:51] <Instabin> EQ|laptop: heres what i did removed rythembox: its the one that had broken dependecy: removed libmtp5 install libmtp6
[10:52] <SeveredCross> There's an mtp6/
[10:54] <Eq|laptop> evidently
[10:55] <SeveredCross> Aptitude doesn't show it.
[10:57] <SeveredCross> Oh, libmtp6 is brand spankin' new.
[10:57] <SeveredCross> I just did aptitude upgrade and got it.
[11:24] <naksha> hi folks, how can I solve this?
[11:24] <naksha> GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[11:25] <naksha> There's nothing on the sources.list thats related to medibuntu.. When I was in feisty, I tried to get a theme off the medibuntu repository.
[11:25] <naksha> anybody home?
[11:31] <fsckr> naksha,
[11:33] <naksha> fsckr: hey.. just got it resolved via #ubuntu
[11:33] <naksha> thanks..
[11:34] <tomi> what was the  problem?
[11:34] <fsckr> ok
[11:35] <naksha> tomi: just me.. medibuntu installs the sources in sources.list.d
[11:35] <naksha> :)
[11:36] <naksha> oh and one more thing. I've got a circular dependancy problem.. how can i resolve it?
[11:38] <naksha> http://pastebin.com/m4991abc9
[11:39] <naksha> i cant update and gnomad2 and rythmbox depends of libmtp6 which fails to install for some reason
[11:41] <naksha> according to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133193, it should be fine if I remove rythmbox with libmtp5 but i cant
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133193 in Ubuntu "libmtp6 dependency error (dup-of: 133165)" [Undecided,New] 
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133165 in libmtp "Should conflict with libmtp5" [Undecided,New] 
[11:42] <naksha> http://pastebin.com/d215ac768
[11:42] <fsckr> naksha, try sudo apt-get remofe
[11:42] <fsckr> remove
[11:43] <naksha> i'm root
[11:43] <fsckr> nm you are using root
[11:43] <Pici> Or wait for the devs to fix it.
[11:43] <fsckr> tsk tsk
[11:44] <naksha> I cant install nothing so even if the devs fix it, i wont be able to update
[11:44] <naksha> there must be a work around
[11:44] <Pici> Huh? If the devs fix it, then you can update, then upgrade/.
[11:44] <fsckr> dunno what you did to cause that problem :) thats what happens when you use root :P
[11:45] <Pici> fsckr: Its not that.
[11:45] <naksha> fsckr: just tried to upgrade
[11:45] <Pici> naksha: I'm having the same issue, theres nothing we can do until the package is fixed.
[11:45] <fsckr> Pici, i was being smart :P
[11:45] <naksha> i don't use root unless i have to..
[11:45] <fsckr> this is fiesty or gutsy?
[11:45] <naksha> gutsy
[11:45] <fsckr> hmm ive had no problem at all so far
[11:45] <naksha> dist-upgraded from feisty
[11:45] <fsckr> ahh
[11:45] <fsckr> clean install is your friend :)
[11:46] <Pici> naksha: Can you please not ask the same questions in #ubuntu, you will only end up confusing people there. :)
[11:46] <Pici> I'm running a dist-upgrade with no issues...
[11:46] <naksha> clean install is a pain in the ass. I've to move all my backup in and stuff
[11:46] <naksha> yeah but you are right
[11:47] <fsckr> naksha, thats what backups are fer hehe
[11:47] <naksha> Pici: Ok..
[11:49] <naksha> I need to learn ubuntu in depth. I've some programming experiance with perl and am a tinkerer. So I think I can bend by head around anything tech. so where can I get the docs? Is there a book or something?
[11:50] <naksha> Everything is on the internet but is there a single manageable source?
[11:52] <Pici> The ubuntu wiki is a good place to start.  Or just reading stuff in #ubuntu
[11:52] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder why I often get a panic on one of my CPU cores following resume from suspend...
[11:52] <naksha> Pici: the wiki is just the surface.. much like poking around the GUI..
[11:53] <naksha> I don't know what I'm doing half of the time
[11:53] <Pici> naksha: I just join myself to alot of the irc channels and observe, just to understand more about whats going on.
[11:54] <naksha> Pici: A lot of commitment aye??? ;_)
[11:54] <Pici> A fair bit. :)
[11:54] <naksha> *:-)
[11:56] <naksha> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9781593271527/ theres this but is it too noobish?
[11:56] <naksha> it says non-geeks specifically. although I don't classify myself as a geek that what everyone else thinks
[11:57] <pwnguin> converting rpms into debs
[11:57] <pwnguin> it'd be neat if someone covered the dangers of alien in the same way automatix was converted from general anxiety to specific actionable items
[11:57] <naksha> , thats
[11:57] <naksha> *
[11:58] <Pici> naksha: I'd search for it on amazon and see if you can 'search inside the book' so you can get a better feel of what its audience is
[11:58] <naksha> or ed2k he he he
[11:58] <naksha> ;-)
[12:05] <Cwiiis> anyone know why update-manager -d wouldn't work in feisty? (it doesn't offer the option to upgrade)
[12:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129226
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] 
[12:06] <DanaG> Fix committed?  Ooh, cool.
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:07] <iblicf_> anybody knows ...where can get some emerald themes ?
[12:12] <kaminix> What X.org version is 7.04 and 7.10?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> 704 is 7.2
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> 710 will be 7.3 I think
[12:15] <kaminix> Hmm... not so big changes then?
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> HUGE changes between those changes
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> *versions
[12:17] <kaminix> So it will be like... FASTER? :D
[12:17] <pwnguin> oh neat
[12:17] <pwnguin> i used aptitude to break my system
[12:18] <pwnguin> apparently a score of 41 for resolution isn't very good
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> 41?
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> where did you get this score?
[12:18] <pwnguin> The following packages have unmet dependencies: rhythmbox: Depends: libmtp6 but it is not installable
[12:18] <pwnguin> Resolving dependencies...
[12:19] <pwnguin> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[12:19] <pwnguin> Install the following packages:
[12:19] <pwnguin> Score is 41
[12:19] <pwnguin> libmtp6 [0.2.1-0ubuntu2 (gutsy)] 
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> thats just scoring for packages...
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> mtp is a media plugin library with has a scroe of 41
[12:20] <pwnguin> huh?
[12:20] <pwnguin> if i pick no, it removes rhythmbox and ubuntu-desktop for a score of 188
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> *score
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> pw
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> thats odd
[12:21] <pwnguin> i imagine score is related to the acceptablity of various actions
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> I don't know aptitude...
[12:23] <pwnguin> the man page doesn't appear to really explain what scores are ...
[12:23] <pwnguin> people say aptitude is smarter, but somehow i feel dumber for using it
[12:24] <kaminix> I like aptitude.
[12:24] <pwnguin> i take it libtp6 is currently broken
[12:24] <Pici> Yep
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> pwnguin: thats what i've heard
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> you have to uninstall libmtp5 first I think.
[12:30] <pwnguin> nosrednaekim: indeed, that seems to have fixed it, after convince apt it was okay to remove that
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> pwnguin: saw that fix on here earlier.. I believe there is a bug report.