=== ajmorris_ [i=wjeupfk@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:34] I amin the middle of upgrading and the only real probems that have cropped up so far is that almst anything related to LyX has failed. [12:34] what's the proper way to install compiz-fusion in kde? [12:39] can somebody tell me what happende to the prism54 driver for gutsy? === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:55] MacSlow, try asking in #ubuntu-devel [12:55] DShepherd, will do [12:55] kool === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === malnilion_ [n=malnilio@129.244.27.32] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:07] Hmm. It's odd how a good desktop effects config actually makes using the system *nicer*. Prettier I expected, but easier and nicer... [01:10] uh-oh - u-m -d failed on me...right at the end of the installing updates phase [01:10] oh why, oh why did I install Lyx? === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] ccooke: You will wrest the Scale plugin from my cold, dead hands. [01:14] If u-m -d failed after installation was complete, but before the reconfiguring etc, have I missed anythign too important? === keram [n=marek`@131.179.144.192] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:15] hey [01:15] how come when i try to do bluetooth chat it doesnt prompt me for a passkey? [01:15] it just says connection refused [01:15] with an error code 111 [01:17] Connection error (111). === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:29] How can I check to see if my system will be bootable? [01:29] I did get this out of one of several apt-get updates: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... [01:29] update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-9-386 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:32] When I look at grub.lst, 2.6.22 is listed. Should I be OK to reboot? When u-m failed on me it said "your system may be in an unusable state" === dhgwill [n=david@user-387gotj.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:40] martalli, i think it will be fine, there should always been a 'recovery mode' in grub just in case it doesnt work [01:41] so if the first one doesnt boot [01:41] you can just boot the recovery and fix the problem [01:42] curious if anyone else's copy of /lib/linux-sound-modules/noOSS.modprobe.conf is borked? i was getting these nonsense messages at bootup about skipping bad lines, so i just copied the file from my feisty install... how does something like that get messed up? === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:42] (er, the messages were actually about bed lines in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-oss or something) === chrisle [n=chris@e178075214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] OK - I will see you all on the other side === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === chrisle [n=chris@e178075214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nosredna_ekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ipx [n=ipx@c-c0fee455.41-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ribando_ [n=garuzito@cpc1-lewi7-0-0-cust883.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:07] hi everyone === keram [n=marek`@Dhcp-231.lecs.CS.UCLA.EDU] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:11] is there someone that can answer a few of my questions? [02:13] RAOF: In my case, I'm really loving 5 desktops, 50% transparent desktop cube with skydome. [02:13] just state them if you want em answered [02:13] RAOF: And cube reflection, which adds some realism. [02:15] I read somewhere that gutsy gibbon comes with compiz-fusion, but I've just installed it, and I can't even see where do I change de window manager. I got Gutsy Tribe 4 [02:15] can someone help? [02:16] ribando, you shouldn't have to install anything. [02:16] ribando_: System->Preferences->Appearance->Desktop Effects. [02:16] (second that) [02:16] ribando_: And you might want to install compizconfig-settings-manager. [02:18] dhgwill that's the first thing I tried after installing it, but I only get 3 options there which are "no effect, normal effect and extra effect", I choose extra effect and nothing happens. [02:19] RAOF that's the first thing I tried after installing it, but I only get 3 options there which are "no effect, normal effect and extra effect", I choose extra effect and nothing happens. [02:19] ribando_: Right. [02:19] So, you can rotate the cube and stuff? [02:20] (Wobbly windows are disabled by default) === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:21] RAOF that's what I found very strange, once I enabled extra effects, I tried to rotate the cube, and nothing, not even wobbly windows. [02:21] Hm. [02:21] Can you pastebin the output of "compiz --replace" ? [02:22] RAOF even whithout compiz-fusion, I should be able to rotate the cube. I got feisty fawn in another laptop, and before I installed compiz-fusion I could still rotate the cube... [02:23] RAOF it seems that I dont even have Xgl [02:23] RAOF where do u want me to paste the output? [02:23] ribando_: That's fine. You probably don't need Xgl. [02:23] !pastebin [02:23] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) === huff_ [n=huff@host81-153-181-194.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:24] ribando_: i actually needed to install xgl, thanks to my nvidia card... [02:25] dhgwill I got an ATI card.lol [02:26] dhgwill: You shouldn't *need* xgl with an nvidia card [02:26] RAOF the address for the pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34007/ [02:27] ribando_: Ah, right. You do need xgl. [02:27] !howto #ubuntu-effects [02:27] Gah. [02:27] ribando_: help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager === fsckr [n=rich@pool-71-100-42-63.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:28] RAOF lol... [02:30] RAOF there is something on my "restricted drivers manager" that is not in used.it's "lirc_gpio".it's enabled but its not in use.do u know what that is? [02:31] ribando_: It's an IR driver, ignore it. [02:33] RAOF thanks === huff_ [n=huff@host81-153-181-194.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [02:35] that'd be a bug? === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:36] Dunno. He may well have some IR hardware :) [02:36] I have it too, and I don't [02:37] RAOF ahahaha...that's a very complicated way of installing it.lol === martalli [n=cindy@pdpc/supporter/active/martalli] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:38] ribando_: What, Xgl? [02:38] ribando_: That's pretty much as simple as it gets, at least until my new xgl package is finished & uploaded. [02:39] I updated to gutsy from a feisty install, and now X is failing...but my real problem is comething more basic. [02:39] Every 1-2 seconds, the screen outputs 50-60 lines along the lines of "device-mapper: table: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed" === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:40] RAOF but then, it has something like the way xgl will start and some dbus-11 or something like that...lol [02:41] ribando_: If you can wait a bit, installing Xgl on Gutsy will be as simple as "sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl xsession-xgl-gnome" [02:41] Althought he constantly scrolling screen is hard to work with, I finally killed the udevd process and the errorr messages stopped...but that doesn't seem like the cleanest approach === mmvii [n=huff@host81-153-181-194.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stik [n=Stik@c-67-183-90-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === ribando_ [n=garuzito@cpc1-lewi7-0-0-cust883.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] RAOF still there? [02:58] Yes. [02:58] Generally a better idea to just ask the question, though. === kiba_ [n=kiba@adsl-219-23-235.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] someone told me something about a minute ago...my computer crashed, I couldnt see what was said.lol [02:59] RAOF I've just installed xgl, do u know what do I do after that? [03:00] RAOF if not, can u give me the name of that channel that u gave me before? [03:00] #ubuntu-effects? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] ribando_: Anyway, after you've got it set up as in the !howto, you just need to select the Xgl session before logging in. [03:01] RAOF aaahhh...is it that simple?lol [03:01] RAOF didnt have to do none of this stuff with the other laptop.lol === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-249-71-134.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] ribando_: Yup. Ati sucks. [03:02] RAOF but do I still have to install compiz fusion? [03:02] No, it's already installed [03:03] RAOD I'm just finishing downloading Sabayon 3.26...its amazing, it comes pre installed with beryl and everything...its an incredibly fast distro :o [03:03] RAOF I'm just finishing downloading Sabayon 3.26...its amazing, it comes pre installed with beryl and everything...its an incredibly fast distro :o [03:03] Also, non-legal, from what I recall. [03:04] RAOF is it non legal? [03:04] RAOF I thought this stuff was supposed to be free...u know...linux stuff... :o!lol [03:04] ribando_: Well, if it comes with the fglrx drivers pre-installed I think that's against the licence. [03:05] RAOF humn...better give some reading to that :o!.thanks for telling me that :o === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:06] RAOF one more thing...everytime I start my gutsy, I have to type in my passphrase for the wifi connectivity === darkstar61 [n=darkstar@213-140-6-100.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:06] ribando_: libpam-keyring. I'm not sure if it's installed by default or not. [03:07] RAOF and then, the connection fails, and it asks me again for the passphrase, only then, it asks me for the keyring...isnt there a way of doing it automatically? [03:07] Um, no idea really. File a bug :) [03:07] RAOF in my feisty, when I start it, I inly need to type in the keyring once, and the wifi connects straight away [03:08] RAOF ...lol...whats that "libpam-keyring"? [03:08] !libpam-keyring [03:08] Sorry, I don't know anything about libpam-keyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:08] I though such things were stored by kwallet? [03:09] !kwallet [03:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:09] should the restricted manager on kubuntu gutsy work to install nvidia drivers? [03:09] nosrednaokim I never had to do this before, in my feisty all I do is type it in once, and it connects straight away [03:10] RAOF ...lol...whats that "libpam-keyring"? [03:10] yuriy: yep! [03:10] ribando_: hmm ok [03:11] i click the checkbox, adept pops up, disappears, and the checkbox gets unchecked again [03:12] !pam-keyring [03:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about pam-keyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:12] !pamkeyring [03:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about pamkeyring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:12] !info pam-keyring [03:12] Package pam-keyring does not exist in gutsy [03:13] be right back === kelsa|martalli [n=bryan@76.77.238.231] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ion [n=ion@71-223-69-212.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:14] I upgraded to gutsy, but there is no "desktop-effects" apprently available in the System->Preferences menu [03:15] Is it somewhere else? I looked in synaptic, and there is a "desktop-effects" package, but it has no information, no version number, and no little ubuntu symbol that I would expect from such a major pckage [03:15] kelsa|martalli: That's because it's in Appearance [03:15] danke [03:15] bitte === keram [n=marek`@131.179.144.205] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:16] "Desktop effects could not be enabled" [03:16] I believe I am running the nvidia driver.... [03:17] kelsa|martalli: Try #ubuntu-effects, I can't help you right now [03:17] no problem, thx === ribando_ [n=garuzito@cpc1-lewi7-0-0-cust883.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:19] RAOF I'm back.lol [03:20] RAOF I tried to login using xgl session, but nothing, the only options I got are "last session, Xclient script, GNOME, failsafegnome, and another failsafe". === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:21] ribando_: it might be Xclient script... depending on what you called it. [03:25] hi all, i have a problem with a scsi scanner (canoscan 2700)... it seems visible by the system [03:25] darkstar61@darkstar-1:~$ dmesg |grep scsi [03:25] [ 32.114068] scsi0 : ACARD AEC-6710/6712/67160 PCI Ultra/W/LVD SCSI-3 Adapter Driver V2.6+ac [03:25] [ 32.131852] scsi 0:0:1:0: Scanner CANON IX-27015C 1.15 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 === frax [n=frax@c-024de155.137-6-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:26] but when i run quiteinsane 8or kooka) the device is not found... [03:27] even sane-find-scanner finds it... [03:28] but not the front-ends... [03:29] the /dev/sg0 is rw owned by scanner group and my user is in that group... [03:30] i'm running gutsy fully upgraded... === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:31] any clue...? === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Instabin [n=instabin@oh-76-5-123-160.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:34] nosrednaekim depending on what I called it?lol [03:34] exactly [03:34] ribando_: was that it? (sorry I had to switch from gutsy to fiesty) [03:35] nosrednaekim what exactly do u mean by that?the only thing I did ws install xgl, but I dont know how to start a session with xgl === joetheodd__ [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:35] nosrednaekim sorry my ignorance on the xgl stuff :o.lol [03:35] ribando_: oh... you just installed it..lol. I can't really help you though because I am using Kubuntu/KDM and you are using GDM so things will be different [03:37] in other words... go to #ubuntu-effects [03:37] or maybe google for a tutorial [03:38] nosrednaekim oki doki, thanks... [03:38] RAOF hey there...r u still here? === voidmage [n=voidmage@r45h90.res.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:38] sorry I couldn't be of more help === Instabin [n=instabin@oh-76-5-123-160.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:03] so far im liking gutsy :) === iblicf [n=iblicf@125.34.26.157] has joined #ubuntu+1 === keeganX [n=keegan@CPE-76-178-71-80.natsow.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:05] Hi everyone, could someone help me out with a compiz-fusion problem? [04:06] keeganX, i can try [04:07] When I click on Extra Effects in the Appearance Preferences it never starts and goes back to metacity [04:08] I tried running it in the terminal and I get this http://www.pastebin.org/667 [04:08] I am also using Nvidias Legacy drivers, but I remembered they worked with Beryl when I was using Feisty. [04:08] you have direct rendering? [04:09] How would I know if I had that? [04:09] open up terminal and type glxinfo [04:09] it should say [04:09] legacy requires XGL.... [04:09] It says it is missing. [04:10] I know to install xgl? [04:10] keeganX, did you must install gutsy [04:10] need* [04:10] must = just [04:10] :) [04:10] Yeah I just installed tribe 4 about 3 hours ago [04:10] aha,, i hava compiz question also ,,,that is how to stop it,,, and how to prevent it auto start ... :) [04:10] all i did was in synaptic click on search [04:10] and type in nvidia-glx [04:10] i found the 9755 drivers and installed === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:11] keeganX, glxinfo|grep render [04:11] edited my xorg and restarted x [04:11] he doesn't have it iblicf [04:11] iblicf: It says its missing === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.241.135] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:11] o i c [04:11] keegan do what i did [04:11] fsckr: I have older hardware and the new drivers don't work I believe. [04:11] what vid card? [04:12] 9755 isn't all that new the newest ones are 100.X.X.X [04:12] Oh okay.. [04:12] besides there are older ones in synaptic [04:12] I'll will do that for sure. [04:12] i just choose 9755 [04:12] right now === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-025.200.popsite.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Jupiter] [04:15] sorry to interrupt ...can i stop the compiz and prevent it from autostart ,,i use grep -r ,,but could not find where is the config [04:15] Alright I will be right back with my results [04:16] iblicf, umm system then go to desktop affects tab and disable effects [04:17] fsckr, wha't that mean :) [04:17] fsckr, menu ? [04:17] top right [04:17] applications places system [04:18] click on system [04:18] preferences [04:18] ic ,,but it must be somewhere configure [04:18] install fusion-icon you can turn it off and on all you want [04:18] it's not a service ,,and ..bashprofile not found [04:21] Where is fusion-icon? [04:22] fsckr, ,,ok ,no effect will disable it ...thanx ,,seems that compiz have integrated to the gnomeX === darkstar61 [n=darkstar@213-140-6-100.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:23] yes iblicf compiz is part of gutsy [04:24] i use fusion-icon to turn it off and on when I want or need it :) === SmrtJustin [n=SmrtJust@72.241.32.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:25] fsckr, that is a little delay with my mouse reaction ,, i dont know why ,,so i want to stop it === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.133] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:28] in the old NM, there was a /etc/network/resolv.conf now that seems to have gone for a toss, does anybody know where the DNS entries are stored anymore? === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:31] shirish, there still have resolv.conf /etc ...seems gutsy have local DNS cache by default [04:32] iblicf: what do you mean gutsy has local DNS cache by default [04:33] iblicf: also I haven't been able to find resolv.conf in /etc/network/ it shows me just interfaces & 4 directories which are for wireless stuff. === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:33] coz i use dnsmasq to make it work ever ,,but yestday i reinstall my system ,found that already work [04:34] iblicf: of course I use network-manager & nm-applet & they are good for most of my needs but still its nice to know where resolv.conf now resides. [04:35] shirish, same question ,,:) i remenber i have grep to looking for it [04:35] shirish, /etc/resolv.conf [04:36] : [04:36] :) [04:36] fsckr: oh, they moved it one directory up, did they? [04:36] locate resolv.conf in terminal [04:36] tells you :P [04:37] i want to add the "systray" to my bottom bar does anyone know what its called in ubuntu? [04:38] i told you there have in /etc ,,but is does not record all dns message at all :) [04:40] fsckr, notice area ? im chinese locale ,,so i can't told you the name exactly [04:41] no its not that ive tried [04:41] it hought it was but its not === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:41] iblicf: I just wanted to see where the nameserver records are kept, that's all. [04:42] shirish, i know ,,, :) that 's i want to find also === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.133] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving."] === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.132.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@201-66-203-80.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === emet [n=emet@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ribando_ [n=garuzito@cpc1-lewi7-0-0-cust883.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:05] hi everyone [05:06] I got a small question...I'm using gutsy...I've sucessfuly created an XGL session, but when I run compiz --replace I get something saying nvidia :not present.can someone help? [05:07] ribando_, what's the problem? [05:07] crdlb .I'm using gutsy...I've sucessfuly created an XGL session, but when I run compiz --replace I get something saying nvidia :not present.can someone help? [05:08] yes I saw [05:08] but why is that bad? [05:08] crdlb well, I'll put here what I got from the terminal, garuzito@garuzito-laptop:~$ compiz --replace [05:08] Checking for Xgl: present. [05:08] Checking for nVidia: not present. [05:08] Checking for Xgl: present. [05:08] Enabling Xgl with fglrx ATi drivers... [05:09] crdlb that's what I got [05:10] and? [05:10] it just stops there? [05:10] crdlb it doesnt, it keeps flashing, as if it was trying to enable it. [05:12] crdlb do u know what can I do to solve that problem? [05:13] have you tried #ubuntu-effects > [05:13] ? [05:13] crdlb I'll try it now === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === andne [n=andy@65-103-59-208.dvnp.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === slavik`lap [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:36] gutsy +1 is going to be awesome :D === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-67-64-105-250.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Scorpaen [i=patrick@home.patrickcampbell.us] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:43] need help getting mp3 support in Amarok, please. [05:45] Scorpaen: same instructions as feisty [05:45] thanks === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Crell [n=Crell@c-71-228-13-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:01] Hi all. Somewhat odd question. I'm following some laptop tutorials that say that to get sound to work I need "alsa from CVS", apparently the version *right after* 1.0.14. I notice gutsy is running alsa-base 1.0.14-1. What exactly is the -1 for in this case? [06:01] I tried installing it on my feisty system, but I still get no audio. === slavik`lap [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:02] -1 is the release number in ubuntu [06:03] So if ubuntu were to backport the fixes in alsa CVS before a 1.0.15 release, that would get called 1.0.14-2? [06:03] no, not quite [06:04] hm. [06:04] if there were some fixes, but no new version [06:04] then -2 or [06:04] Technically, the -1 is the release number in *Debian*. [06:04] The ubuntu1 is the release number in Ubuntu :) [06:04] I'm trying to figure out the best course of action to get audio working. Checking out CVS HEAD source and compiling it myself is by definition not "best" in my book. :-) [06:05] Crell: You should be able to find a patch on the ALSA bugtracker. [06:05] gutsy uses -1ubuntu1 anyway :p [06:05] Or, you could build from source, then see if it works. [06:06] ThinkWiki.org (it's a thinkpad) has links to the patches, but also a note "don't use these, use CVS". === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D325.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:06] If it works, you then want to find the patch which *made* it work, attach that to a bug on launchpad, and it'll go into thu Gutsy packages. [06:06] Hrm. [06:07] stdin: Apparently -1ubuntu1 doesn't have whatever these patches are yet. [06:07] 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 doesn't ? [06:07] RAOF: Would a reference to them be sufficient for launchpad? [06:08] Yes, certianly, [06:08] stdin: I'm running 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 on my feisty now, and I get no audio errors, but no audio either. === NastyAccident [n=NastyAcc@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:08] However, the more work *you* do, the more likely it is to be fixed :) [06:09] You can, of course, just file an "audio doesn't work" bug, but that's not going to be fixed as fast as "ALSA CVS revision 2442 works", which will in turn be fixed slower than "Sound works if I apply this patch" :) === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-249-71-134.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:11] Apply the patch to what, if the latest CVS of ALSA supposedly includes those patches alread? [06:11] alreayd? [06:12] bah! already. === Crell beats his keyboard. === keram` [n=keram`@cpe-76-87-180-5.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:12] Crell: So, if ALSA CVS works, good. Mention that. [06:13] Great, that means I need to figure out how to compile it and install it without breaking things to confirm it, doesn't it? ;-) [06:13] Crell: *Better* than just saying "ALSA CVS works" is, "If you apply this patch to the Ubuntu package, sound works" [06:13] Crell: Yes, it does :) === voidmage [n=voidmage@r45h90.res.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:13] Crell: You can always just file a "sound doesn't work" bug ;) [06:14] Next question then, presumably there will be a 1.0.15 release eventually. Is that something Debian/Ubuntu will be upgrading to? [06:14] Crell: Yes, but it won't go into already-released releases :) [06:14] Well I'd like to be slightly more useful than that if I can. :-) I'm just a PHP developer, not C developer, so I'm compiler adverse. (Any compiled code on my system not managed through apt is a bug, not a feature, IMO.) [06:15] Crell: Absolutely right :() [06:15] And policy is to apply selective patches, not track CVS semi-stable points, I take it? [06:16] Yes. [06:16] Absolutely. [06:16] Next question... if I do this on a feisty box, will that invalidate any reports given? :-) [06:16] Hm. Difficult. === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:17] The trick would be to make sure you can revert the changes. [06:17] Right now the box is 99% feisty kubuntu, with the kernel (and dependencies) and alsa-base pulled from gutsy. [06:17] You're probably better off trying it in a Gutsy system, though. Can you make a 5gb gutsy partition or something? [06:18] That would take quite a while. It's a laptop, and I just partitioned it. [06:18] That has the advantage of being disposable. You can play around in there all you like. [06:18] Could that be done with a live CD, just for testing? [06:18] apt-get source alsa-base, apply patches, build, install, modprobe something? [06:18] If you've got enough RAM, a Livecd would work. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-13-55.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:18] Crell: Yes, pretty much. [06:19] 2 GBs. :-) I already booted the gutsy kubuntu live cd the other night to see if the new kernel would work. [06:19] So, with the LiveCD & an internet connection you should be able to build & install a new ALSA, then modprobe the appropriate module. === genii [n=user@76-10-146-252.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:20] All from the safety of a disposable ramdisk :) [06:20] Have you got a few min to hand-hold me through that as needed? :-) I haven't played with system components in a while, so I'm somewhat rusty. (Since I switched from Sid to Ubuntu, actually...) [06:21] Interestingly I just blew away gutsy install by choosing suspend when closing wm instead of shutdown. no single-user mode boot either now [06:21] Ok, I'll give it a shot. [06:21] genii: Interesting. I just got suspend/hibernate working fine with the gutsy kernel by adding a config statement to grub. [06:21] It's not that fast, but it works fine. [06:22] I get total blackout now when trying to do normal boot to it, no numlock light etc either, so thats dead entirely. but single-user at least gives some kinda kernel dump [06:23] But can't get to a prompt there either [06:23] What laptop? [06:23] Desktop [06:24] Asus p5k se mb, satahd [06:24] And you're using suspend? [06:24] Luckily I still have my Feisty parition :) === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:25] Crell it may actually have been hibernate, my mouse is messed up and wrong just as I clicked on it [06:25] (wrong icon under when I meant to shut down) === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:26] Still, I didn't know suspend/hibernate worked on a desktop in the first place. [06:26] Crell: Then that it would appear as an option when leaving wm brings to mind "why is it an option?" then === Crell42 [n=ubuntu@c-71-228-13-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:27] That is a very good question. === Crell waves to himself. === Crell42 waves back. [06:27] Kinda sucks since I had just compiled cvs KDE successfully as well [06:27] ouch [06:27] That's what, 3 days of work right there? :-) [06:28] After all those hourly updates, yeah LOL [06:28] Maybe I'll mount the gutsy partition and see if any way to recover it [06:29] Or retrieve something useful to prevent it happening again [06:29] logs etc [06:30] Crell:: Of curiosity, what config stuff did you add to grub? For future reference testing etc [06:30] http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_(Feisty_Fawn)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Suspend [06:30] Ignore all the scripts stuff. === fignew [n=fig@user-1121npv.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:30] hrm. [06:30] bookmarking for studying later [06:30] my pvr-150 card has kind of crappy signal === dhgwill [n=david@user-387gotj.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:31] One of the comments there said he just needed to add a line to grub once he was on 2.6.21. Worked for me with 2.6.22 as well, using the Intel video chip instead of nvidia. [06:31] looking up the kernel I had on gutsy, brb === theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MugginsM [n=jennyj@69.55.232.10] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:35] Weird, menu.lst can't be right [06:35] Has all kernels now at same exact version on all the different partitions [06:35] Which is total nonsense [06:36] oops? [06:36] gutsy so doesn't like my widescreen... :-) === ameyer is glad he didn't dist-upgrade [06:36] Crell42: Nah I haven't messwed with grub at all [06:37] Gives me an idea though, perhaps this is the reason it is choking etc. [06:37] RAOF: OK, I'm in a gutsy live CD. Should I dist-upgrade first? [06:37] Looks like it has a crapload that's new since the live cd was built. [06:37] Crell42: Maybe? Might as well. [06:38] Hey, I haven't played with cutting edge system software since... last year. :-) [06:39] reboot needed. [06:39] Been nice knowing you. === Crell42 is impressed with his neighbors. [06:40] There are 9 wireless networks near me... all of them are secured with at least WEP. :-) [06:41] weps easy [06:42] Yes, but it wasn't that long ago that I'd find 5 APs with no WEP and an ESSID of "linksys". [06:42] one should be required to have a license for the information superhighway [06:43] they call me all night at work [06:43] grrr [06:43] "i see dumb ppl" [06:43] lol === Dana1 [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dana1 is now known as DanaG === genii [n=user@76-10-146-252.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:45] My gutsy is back :) [06:47] y'know, it'd be an awesome birthday present for a gutsy update to cause a non-functioning computer in the 24 hour period starting about 15 minutes from now... [06:47] hm, a few packages failing up upgrade... [06:47] Somehow, my e1000 NIC crashes under heavy loads, such as BitTorrent. === ysth1 [n=ysth@168-103-158-15.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:48] AFK looking for enlightenment in /var/log [06:48] I somehow think I should avoid dist-upgrading if I want to avoid topping last year's debacle [06:49] Wouldn't it be better to look in #enlightenment? === sam-i [n=sam-i@64-142-27-19.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:50] smartass :) [06:52] wtf, /var/log/boot contents: (nothing has been logged yet.) [06:52] this just me? [06:52] recently installed 7.04 on a thinkpad t61. i had to use the alternate cd install because the graphics were messed up. i got output, b ut its this wierd interlaced thing and I can't make out anything! ;(. it has an intel x3100 (965) chipset integrated video card.... any suggestions on how to get the video working? === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088BA61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:54] RAOF: OK, so I'm updated and just apt-get source'd alsa-base. Now I run the patches with patch -p0 < foo.patch from within the directory where the source I just downloaded lives? === assasukasse [n=assasuka@n219079164170.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:56] anyone know how to jump into text login/startup? when i do control+alt+f1... i jsut get a blank screen that's dark [06:56] Crell42: That should work, yes. === thelsdj [n=thelsdj@ip24-251-207-135.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:59] arooni: boot to recovery then if changes are made that allow the gui to run, do telinit 3 [06:59] genii: i booted to recovery [06:59] Bah. It keeps asking me for the file to patch. [06:59] genii: but i dont see a file system at all.. all i see is: root@LilArooni:~# [06:59] arooni: So try alt-f1 thru alt-f6 [07:00] what do you mean you see no filesystem? [07:00] genii: when i do 'ls' i get nothing back [07:00] arooni: ls / === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:00] try: mount and you will see whatever filesystems you have mounted [07:01] arooni: In root home directory there is nothing to list for files until you ran a gui or put something in it [07:04] Crell42: ls / [07:04] works ! [07:04] arooni: at any rate, since you are already in command line and nned to reconfigure your video, do:dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to input by text interface some sane X settings [07:04] That's because the / directory has stuff in it, whereas root's home directory does not. [07:04] sweet action [07:05] genii: ok ... should i need to configure internet... if i just plug in an ethernet cable? [07:05] cuz its not plugged in yet [07:05] not right now, just do the dpkg [07:05] do i need internet to plug in? [07:05] one thing at a time [07:06] i mean to do what you said? [07:06] Great. The patch is tiny, but still doesn't apply. [07:06] no need for internet to reconfigure video === MacSlow_ [n=mirco@dslb-084-063-117-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:07] genii: shhould i have it auot detct video hardware [07:07] well even if i did... it doesnt find it ;( [07:07] arooni: yes, use auto settings where possible [07:07] so what should i use to start? [07:07] vesa? [07:07] yes [07:07] or i810 for your card may do too === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:08] but I suggest vesa just to get it back up [07:08] genii: what should i set for # of kb for shared mem card? [07:08]