[12:13] <Keybuk> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1137422377&context=set-72157601482712397&size=o
[12:14] <Keybuk> ^ I like that pic; and I've flown three of them so far :)
[12:15] <ogra> at the same time ? :P
[12:15] <Keybuk> no :)
[12:15] <ogra> :)
[12:15] <ogra> nice :)
[12:16] <Keybuk> flown Tango Oscar (the orange one at the back), and Victor Victor & Victor November (two of the tree at the front)
[12:16] <sladen> Keybuk: when you've collected all seven, you can move on to borrowing mark's
[12:16] <Keybuk> sladen: no, I *really* can't :p
[12:16] <Keybuk> I dread to think the amount of training needed to fly a Global
[12:17] <ogra> cant marks polit train you during business flights ? you just need to change your name to "claire" and become PA :)
[12:17] <ogra> *pilot
[12:18] <sladen> could have learnt the preflight by heart if you'd been paying attention next to the pool in Sevilla
[12:18] <ogra> heh
[12:18] <Keybuk> ogra: not sure, I think for jets you need certain numbers of hours and ratings, not to mention simulator hours, until you're even allowed to sit in the seat
[12:19] <Keybuk> sladen: I know the pre-flight checks for a Robin HR-200 pretty well :p
[12:19] <Keybuk> bit of a different class though
[12:19] <sladen> and even then it doesn't stop you stepping on the wrong pedal ;)
[12:19] <Keybuk> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1078886&WxsIERv=Ebova%20UE-200-120O&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Jryyrfobhear%20Nivngvba&QtODMg=Jryyrfobhear%20Zbhagsbeq%20%28RTOJ%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Whar%203%2C%202006&BP=1&WNEb25u=Wvz%20Tebbz&xsIERvdWdsY=T-JNIA&MgTUQtODMgKE=Cerivbhfyl%20ertvfgrerq%20T-IRPN.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=735&NEb25uZWxs=2006-07-20%2012%3A38%3A27&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=344&static=yes&width=1024&height=695&sok=JURER%20%20%28ert%20%3D%2
[12:19] <Keybuk> 0%27T-JNIA%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=0840691
[12:19] <Keybuk> (ouch, URL!)
[12:19] <Keybuk> and you know what
[12:19] <Keybuk> you can cut it all out
[12:20] <Keybuk> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1078886 vs. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1221850
[12:21] <ogra> you even got a pilot cap :)
[12:21] <Keybuk> lol, that's not me :)
[12:21] <ogra> heh
[12:21] <Keybuk> it is my favourite plane though
[12:22] <Keybuk> it's slightly more responsive than the other three allegedly identical ones :p
[12:22] <sladen> I find this when dating triplets
[12:26] <doko> bryce: please could you check if gcc-3.4 is really needed on lpia?
[12:26] <doko> mesa ...
[12:26] <Keybuk> mneptok: but can you fly it?
[12:28] <ogra> Keybuk, worst case you can drive it with a paddle on the next sea :)
[12:28] <mneptok> Keybuk: dunno. never sanded on water on purpose >:)
[12:28] <mneptok> *landed
[12:28] <Keybuk> "Fly, yes ... Land, no!"
[12:29] <mneptok> Keybuk: http://www.antillesseaplanes.com/
[12:30] <ogra> no pricelist
[12:31] <mneptok> if you have to ask ... yadda yadda
[12:31] <dobey> heh
[12:32] <Keybuk> $2,200,000 for the turbine model
[12:32] <Keybuk> $1,300,000 for the piston
[12:32] <dobey> 2.2's not too bad
[12:33] <dobey> totally worth the extra mil
[12:36] <Keybuk> "Whilst it is theoretically possible to complete a course of PPL training on a MEP aeroplane the candidate is required to have 70 hours flight time as pilot in command (PIC) of aeroplanes before making licence application. It is therefore assumed that the applicant for a MEP class rating will be in possession of at least a valid PPL (A) and have 70 hours experience as PIC before commencing the course. There are no planned solo exercises
[12:36] <Keybuk> on the course."
[12:36] <Keybuk> spoil sports
[12:37] <ogra> well, 70h arent to much
[12:40] <ogra> anyway, bedtime ....
[12:41] <keescook> iwj: still here?  I saw the "trigger activated" stuff, but it never ran in the end...
[12:41] <keescook> is this perhaps because the running dpkg was old?
[01:32] <keescook> Riddell: kdesudo was broken out of kdebase-core ?
[02:03] <killown> how do I to set flags optimization gcc in apt-build sources packages?
[02:04] <killown> I want to build with it flags : -O3 -march=prescott -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
[02:04] <killown> debian/rules  file here >> http://rafb.net/p/hKbKd144.html
[02:04] <sladen> killown: I think you also need  -fomg-faster
[02:05] <killown> sladen, ?
[02:05] <RAOF> -funroll-loops :)
[02:05] <ion_> Better use -O999
[02:05] <ion_> It might not get optimized enough otherwise.
[02:06] <killown> 
[02:06] <RAOF> killown: To answer your actual question, misugided as we think it is, you'd be after setting (or appending) to CFLAGS
[02:08] <sladen> killown: /etc/apt/apt-build.conf
[02:09] <killown> sladen, make_options="" or options="" to set flags >> -O3 -march=prescott -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe ??
[03:02] <wasabi> hmm. there a way to convince the installer to install to a hard coded device name without having to select it from a list? It can't recognize my non-MBR partitions. =)
[03:02] <wasabi> Oh there it goes.
[03:04] <wasabi> haha, error informing the kernel about modifications to the device md0p1    that's scarey.
[06:51] <Seq> has anybody noticed increased temperatures on laptops while trying gutsy? I'm just trying to determine if I should file a bug or whether it's just my system
[06:52] <ion_> If anything, it should decrease, thanks to dynticks etc. :-)
[06:53] <Seq> ion_: i know, which is why i decided to try it out
[06:53] <ion_> Anything spurious in tops listing?
[06:53] <Seq> i have a macbook, so it was always fairly warm, but it gets rather hot under gutsy, and the fan seems to always be going now as well
[06:54] <Seq> ion_: no, and both cores are scaling properly. powertop seems to be saying my power useage is around 17W (depending on brightness) and it shoots up under load, so I'm assuming it is not that
[06:55] <fabbione> Seq: best would be to grab a dmesg from both feisty and gutsy and see if there is any relevant difference
[06:55] <fabbione> perhaps it's just a bug in the kernel
[06:56] <Seq> fabbione: thats possible. I was also curious if it could be the new intel driver vs the i810 one, as the graphics could use a fair chunk of power
[06:57] <Seq> also, I'm not using compiz as I'm assuming that could make a difference
[06:57] <fabbione> Seq: it's worth starting from the bottom.. check dmesg to see if there is a diff first.. then try to revert the gfx driver and proceed one step at a time
[07:01] <Seq> I have an error loading DSDT from initramfs. Is that only used when loading a custom DSDT?
[07:08] <Seq> is there a way to check if the hard disk spins down correctly?
[08:24] <shirish> sorry to disturb you folks, but anybody knows what should i install to get wxwidgets2.8.4 in gutsy?
[08:27] <darius> evening all
[08:28] <darius> anyone have a few mins to let me pick their brains about the package installer and ubuntu package development
[08:35] <dariuskane> anyone awake?
[08:42] <dariuskane> anyone awake? have a few package questions Im hoping to find a few answers for
[09:22] <mdke> who's in charge of the certification courses?
[09:39] <Riddell> keescook: kdesudo is a separare programme that has never touched kdebase
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[09:50] <fabbione> doko_: ping?
[09:50] <doko_> fabbione: pong
[09:50] <fabbione> doko_: hey.. i have a couple of questions for you...
[09:50] <fabbione> doko: did you get my email about glibc?
[09:50] <doko> yes
[09:51] <fabbione> doko: do you have an ETA for it to hit gutsy?
[09:51] <fabbione> feisty will take longer and we know
[09:51] <doko> with the next upload
[09:51] <fabbione> ok cool thanks
[09:51] <fabbione> next thing is about gcc-4.2 on sparc.. david is hunting down that bug that miscompiles the kernel
[09:51] <fabbione> expect a patch soonish
[09:52] <fabbione> even if it's not critical for gutsy it would be good to have it ready so that we can do more testing on the compiler before gutsy+1 opens
[09:52] <doko> yes, that would be nice. does this one have an upstream pr`
[09:52] <doko> ?
[09:53] <fabbione> doko: not sure.. but davem is on it... that's enough for me
[09:53] <fabbione> doko: he says that it might be also a kernel bug.. but he just started looking into it
[10:48] <Mithrandir> seb128: is it intentionally that gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-dbg depends on gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs, while gstreamer0.10-plugins-base doesn't depend on the gnomevfs one?
[10:49] <seb128> Mithrandir: yes, the binaries are splitted but not the dbg
[10:49] <seb128> Mithrandir: so the dbg depends on all the binaries
[10:50] <Mithrandir> seb128: ugh. :-/
[10:50] <seb128> Mithrandir: install the -dbgsym and ignore the -dbg ;)
[10:50] <seb128> those are splitted
[10:50] <Mithrandir> seb128: until we have the debug symbols in Ubuntu itself, no.  I'm working on the mobile-dev seed
[10:50] <seb128> ok
[10:51] <Mithrandir> I'll just exclude the gstreamer debug symbols for now
[10:51] <seb128> do you need -dbg packages in -dev? can't you use apport and retrace?
[10:51] <Mithrandir> I'd like to have them there by default, since it's helpful for having a good development environment.
[10:52] <seb128> ok
[11:11] <Chipzz> hi, a little question (I looked this up in the debian policy but found nothing relevant): is the devel section used for development files of applications, or rather for development tools?
[11:11] <Riddell> both
[11:12] <Riddell> see gcc for example
[11:12] <Chipzz> for example:
[11:12] <Chipzz> devel/epiphany-browser-dev
[11:12] <Chipzz> devel/gedit-dev
[11:12] <Chipzz> devel/glabels-dev
[11:12] <Chipzz> should these be in devel or in libdevel ?
[11:16] <doko> mvo: bug 70420 seems to be another one with the wrong pickling behaviour, which is fixed now. just close it?
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70420 in python2.4 "crash while loading Anwendungen-"Hinzufuegen/Entfernen" dialoge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70420
[11:17] <mvo> doko: yeah, I think so
[11:34] <Riddell> the tribe 4 freeze announcement talks about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageInconsistencies but that seems like just a redirect page, what was on it?
[11:36] <Riddell> ah, found it
[11:37] <iwj> keescook: That's not supposed to happen.  It may be a bug.  What exactly were you doing ?
[12:00] <Riddell> anyone able to read this over for sanity?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34042/
[12:02] <mvo> Riddell: looks ok to me
[12:04] <Riddell> thanks
[12:07] <Ng> don't suppose anyone is using compiz with -intel on an 855GM?
[12:12] <Riddell> Mithrandir: ubuntu-devel-announce post for moderation
[12:15] <Mithrandir> Riddell: approved
[12:23] <Riddell> thanks
[12:23] <Riddell> ubuntu daily alternate amd64 oversized, there's no language packs on it, what should be removed?
[12:24] <Riddell> language-support-en maybe
[12:28] <seb128> does anybody know how to redirect an input canal to a stereo output using alsa (the source is mono)?
[12:29] <fabbione> seb128: afaik mplayer can do that, but i don't recall the optiosn
[12:35] <seb128> fabbione: well, that's not to play a media file, that's to have the sound of a guitar directed correctly in stereo
[12:36] <fabbione> seb128: ok, but you can look how mplayer code does it :)))
[12:42] <tsmithe> seb128, gotta run, but what about using the "route" plugin in asoundrc?
[12:42] <seb128> tsmithe: I don't about it, thanks for the hint, I'll have a look
[12:42] <tsmithe> no probs :)
[01:02] <tkamppeter> hi doko
[01:02] <doko> tkamppeter: hi
[01:03] <tkamppeter> doko, did you get my two mails yesterday, about new system-config-printer and cupsys packages?
[01:03] <tkamppeter> Can you upload these packages for me?
[01:03] <doko> hmm, is pitti offline?
[01:03] <Mithrandir> doko: I hope so.  He's getting married.
[01:03] <doko> today?
[01:03] <tkamppeter> pitti is currently really offline, according to my xchat.
[01:03] <Mithrandir> doko: ttbomk, yes.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you mean he *didnt* take his laptop into the church????
[01:04] <tkamppeter> Perhaps they do not have WLAN there.
[01:06] <\sh> or his wife told him: Laptop or Marriage...you decide
[01:38] <Riddell> Mithrandir: further ubuntu-devel-announce post for moderation
[01:39] <asac> crimsun: hey ... do you have any idea what happened to the "accept license" in flashplugin-nonfree?
[01:40] <asac> crimsun: i remember that it was displayed by the debian package once ... but it apparently doesn't do this anymore
[01:40] <Mithrandir> Riddell: approved
[01:43] <Riddell> thanks
[01:44] <Riddell> evand: on today's kubuntu live CD, ubiquity won't let me past the language page, the cursor remains as the busy cursor and the next button isn't enabled
[01:45] <iwj> Riddell: I've dealt with those MIRs you asked about.  Two are approved; one is ftbfs for me; one I have some questions about.
[01:48] <Riddell> iwj: ok, thanks, I'll have the kvkbd packager look at that fail and the kdebluetooth packager look at your obexftp question (or maybe Mithrandir can answer it, I seem to remember he's involved with bluez)
[01:49] <iwj> Riddell: Right.  I hope that's helpful.
[01:49] <iwj> Let me know if you want me to look again, etc.
[01:50] <iwj> Riddell: FYI, re the Tribe 5 freeze, there's a bug report about triggers from Kees which may or may not be an actual bug.  He mentioned it to me on IRC last night.
[01:50] <iwj> If it's true I'll probably fix it but I trust that can be done later today or early next week ?
[01:50] <Riddell> iwj: got a bug number?
[01:50] <iwj> No.
[01:50] <Riddell> iwj: sure, freeze isn't until tuesday
[01:51] <iwj> Just a one-line irc comment as yet :-).
[01:51] <iwj> Right, thanks.
[02:03] <StevenK> Hrm. Who's archive day is it?
[02:05] <pygi> StevenK, you're motu-uvf member, right? ^_^
[02:05] <StevenK> Let me deny everything.
[02:06] <pygi> StevenK, o com'on!
[02:07] <StevenK> pygi: Hrm? What's up?
[02:08] <pygi> StevenK, just a little review & exception approval & upload =)
[02:09] <pygi> bug #133052
[02:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133052 in swfdec0.4 "[needs review]  swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133052
[02:09] <Riddell> StevenK: the archive manager for today is in church all day
[02:10] <StevenK> Ah. pitti. Weddings don't take all day. :-)
[02:10] <Riddell> he'll be busy consumating afterwards, I can take archive requests if you have something that needs done
[02:11] <zul> StevenK: yes but the nervousness and going what am i getting myself into does ;)
[02:12] <StevenK> Riddell: I doubt that. I got married two years ago. All you do after is collapse and sleep. :-)
[02:12] <StevenK> Riddell: I'm working on NBS stuff - Are you able to NBS out gaphor-lib and libgig3c2, and push libmtp through NEW?
[02:13] <StevenK> Riddell: After libmtp gets published, then I'll upload a rebuild only of amarok, rhythmbox and gnomad2.
[02:14] <pygi> StevenK, 1)isn't libmtp already published (?) and can we pretty please get this fix in?
[02:14] <pygi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/132853
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132853 in libmtp "[needs review]  libmtp 0.2.1 udev rules file fix [needs upload] " [Undecided,New] 
[02:14] <Riddell> I've not done deleting packages before, it may not be a good time for me to start
[02:14] <Riddell> iwj: what was your kvkbd build failure?  it builds fine in a pbuilder for me
[02:15] <StevenK> Riddell: That's okay.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: live on the edge a little :P
[02:16] <StevenK> pygi: libmtp *source* is, the binaries aren't.
[02:17] <pygi> StevenK, right :) And can we get that little fix in? ^^
[02:17] <Riddell> StevenK: being in UVF as we are, is there a paticular reason for a new mtp version?
[02:17] <pygi> Riddell, a lot of new hardware support
[02:18] <StevenK> Riddell: And it was uploaded yesterday, before UVF
[02:18] <Riddell> evand: ubiquity in ubuntu quietly died during the install part http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/debug
[02:18] <pygi> two days ago actually =)
[02:18] <Riddell> evand: and as mentioned, in kubuntu it breaks on the language page http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/debug-kubuntu
[02:19] <Riddell> evand: also d-i says it can't install a kernel, does it need rebuilt?  the udeb list seems up to date to me
[02:20] <StevenK> pygi: I can upload it for you, if you wish
[02:20] <pygi> StevenK, that would rock, thanks =)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> yay, StevenK can do all the sponsoring
[02:20] <Riddell> StevenK: sneaky :)
[02:20] <StevenK> Riddell: :-)
[02:21] <pygi> StevenK, it's pretty important fix for libmtp package :)
[02:21] <pygi> that swfdec is also important, but not as much as this fix
[02:21] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Nuh uh, I'm doing it for NBS stuff
[02:21] <Riddell> StevenK: accepted
[02:21] <StevenK> Riddell: Thanks
[02:22] <StevenK> Hrm. It shouldn't really change previous changelog entries, but it's correcting the day.
[02:24] <StevenK> pygi: Correct the diffstat, it's useless
[02:24] <StevenK>  swfdec0.5_0.5.1.orig.tar.gz |binary
[02:24] <StevenK>  1 file changed+
[02:26] <pygi> StevenK, ok, and in what way to correct it?
[02:27] <StevenK> diff'ing the two tarballs is pointless
[02:27] <StevenK> Unpack both of them, diff -urNP <old> <new> | diffstat
[02:27] <StevenK> And libmtp is uploaded
[02:28] <pygi> StevenK, thanks, gonna diffstat now
[02:31] <pygi> StevenK, done
[02:31] <pygi> lunch now
[02:45] <\sh> hmmm....under gnome, the window manager action "move to another workspace ->" and selecting e.g. workspace 3 doesn't work with compiz somehow, but moving the window from actual workspace to the left or right works
[02:46] <\sh> or did i miss one plugin?
[02:50] <evand> Riddell: tbh, I'm not sure yet.  I just noticed the bug yesterday when I was building the new version.  I'll let you know though.
[02:56] <Riddell> evand: which bug?
[02:57] <evand> crashing on install
[03:07] <tkamppeter> riddell, biff
[03:07] <Riddell> evand: and the other two bugs?
[03:07] <Riddell> tkamppeter: pardon?
[03:07] <pygi> back
[03:08] <tkamppeter> Riddell, you perhaps do not know this expression of IRCish, it means that I have sent an e-mail to you.
[03:08] <Riddell> maybe an expression from before my time :)
[03:08] <Riddell> tkamppeter: I'll upload those for you now
[03:09] <tkamppeter> Riddell, thanks.
[03:10] <evand> Riddell: other two bugs?  I see you mentioned d-i not installing a kernel, that's new to me and I'll check it out.  Is there another bug?
[03:10] <Riddell> evand: the kubuntu ubiquity one
[03:12] <evand> ahhh, sorry, it's early.  I skimmed that and though it was the bug I mentioned yesterday.  That bug is my fault, I'll fix it today.
[03:24] <Riddell> tkamppeter: for system-config-printer the version is 0.7.71+-svn1406-0ubuntu1 but your changelog says "Subversion snapshot r1399"
[03:24] <Riddell> should that be r1406?
[03:28] <tkamppeter> riddell, this is a cut-and-paste mistake in the ChangeLog, I have corrected that in the new package.
[03:29] <Riddell> tkamppeter: ok, that and cupsys uploaded
[03:44] <tkamppeter> Riddell, thank you
[03:46] <tkamppeter> Anyone here is using an HP printer with HPLIP?
[03:46] <Riddell> tkamppeter: yes (I think I do anyway)
[03:49] <Mithrandir> no idea if I'm using hplip, but I have an HP printer, yes.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> elmo: ping @ planet ubuntu stuff
[04:02] <tkamppeter> Riddell, which version of HPLIP are you using (start the hp-toolbox from the command line and see the output in your terminal).
[04:02] <elmo> Hobbsee: ?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> elmo: is it accepable for planet to have the constant envy posts?
[04:03] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, do "lpstat -v" and your HP printer should show with a URI starting with "hp".
[04:03] <Hobbsee> elmo: i would have thought it constituted as advertising, and if everyone did it, planet would flood.  see http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=1115 and http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=117 for more info
[04:03] <Mithrandir> device for OfficeJet-Pro-K550: socket://skriver.local:9100
[04:03] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: ^^; so no.
[04:03] <Mithrandir> it's ethernet-enabled, after all.
[04:04] <Riddell> tkamppeter: HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 1.7.3)
[04:04] <Riddell> HP Device Manager ver. 9.0
[04:05] <Hobbsee> elmo: ( i was the developer who emailed him, obviously)
[04:05] <elmo> Hobbsee: err, I don't know - who are you asking me as?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> elmo: as one of the people who has a fairly good idea of what belongs on planet and doesnt, and as one of the debian planet people too.  also, as one of the people who was at the planet editorial policy specs.
[04:06] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, go to a box running a completely updated Gutsy (update if needed), start system-config-printer, choose "New Printer", choose an entry like "HP OfficeJet Pro K550 <IP> HPLIP" and create a new print queue with this one by doing the remaining steps of the wizard. Then try to print through this queue and also start the "hp-toolbox".
[04:06] <Hobbsee> elmo: (ie, not as a canonical sysadmin)
[04:07] <tkamppeter> Riddell, are you still on Feisty? Do you have access to a Gutsy box? Or at least to a Gutsy live CD?
[04:07] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: will that work when the printer is just on the network?
[04:07] <elmo> Hobbsee: well
[04:07] <Riddell> tkamppeter: this is on gutsy
[04:08] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, yes, and the best is HPLIP makes also all non-printing functions available on network-connected devices, like scanning, ink level readout, nozzle cleaning, download of pictures from memory cards, ...
[04:08] <Hobbsee> elmo: i'm just of the opinion that it only relates to a subset of people, and that the same information can be conveyed using a repository, rather than posting to planet for every single deb update.
[04:09] <tkamppeter> Riddell, you did not do your Debian morning gymnastics: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:09] <elmo> Hobbsee: I'd tend to agee with that, but
[04:09] <Hobbsee> elmo: sure, advertising the fact that it exists is fine, from time to time, but showing the changelog for every update, and asking people to upgrade each time is....not planet content, i would ahve thought.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> elmo: but?
[04:09] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: it doesn't list "HP officejet pro k550 $ip HPLIP", only the already set-up printer.
[04:09] <elmo> Hobbsee: and I'm fine with an individual asking him to stop, but I'm not sure it's something (the threadbare) guidelines we have in any discourages
[04:10] <Hobbsee> elmo: i guess i'm more asking "am i correct in asking him to stop, or am i out of line?"
[04:10] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, are you in the add-printer wizard? And are you sure that your system-config-printer is really up-to-date?
[04:10] <elmo> Hobbsee: I think it's fine for you to do so
[04:11] <Hobbsee> elmo: right.  and therefore others.
[04:12] <elmo> sure
[04:12] <Hobbsee> elmo: thanks
[04:12] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: seems to be up-to-date, yes.
[04:12] <Mithrandir> ii  system-config-printer 0.7.71+-svn1406-0ubuntu1 printer configuration GUI
[04:13] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: I believe I am in the wizard - I click the "New printer" icon, it says "searching for printers" for a little while, then gives me http://err.no/tmp/Skjermdump-Ny%20skriver.png
[04:15] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, this looks strange for me. Can you do "hp-makeuri 10.0.0.184" and post the output here?
[04:15] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@xoog ~ > hp-makeuri 10.0.0.184
[04:15] <Mithrandir> error: HPMUDEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation.
[04:16] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, this is bug 132670 Can you subscribe to the bug and fopllow the instructions in my postings there? Thanks.
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132670 in hplip "[gutsy] hplip toolbox doesn't start" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132670
[04:18] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: do you want the reports here or in the bug?
[04:21] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: anyway, done
[04:25] <Riddell> tkamppeter: I now have "HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 2.7.7)" and it says "error: HPMUDEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation." and fails to start
[04:25] <Hobbsee> anyone got an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/122039 ?
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122039 in ubuntu-meta "[Gutsy]  unnecessary packages in ubuntu-desktop dependencies?" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:27] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, thank you very much. Seems that some libraries are not found by HPLIP.
[04:27] <Riddell> seb128: are you planning to do anything about bug 118745?  we have a script in guidance that runs on login for kubuntu that sets the DPI which you could use
[04:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118745 in libgnome "Font sizes in Gutsy are vulnerable to bad X.org DPI detection" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118745
[04:27] <tkamppeter> Riddell, bug 132670, can you follow the instructions there?
[04:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132670 in hplip "[gutsy] hplip toolbox doesn't start" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132670
[04:28] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: I'm off for the day, so if you need anything more, tell me and I'll see if I can oblige when I'm around again
[04:29] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, Riddell, anyone else, someone has an idea what is happening here (look into the strace log)?
[04:29] <seb128> Riddell: I would like to get bryce opinion on this one, not sure why the dpi detection is so wrong and that looks like something that should be improve in xorg, not hacked around by some extra script
[04:30] <Riddell> seb128: I suspect DPI detection is a fault of monitors as much as X
[04:30] <seb128> what does the guidance script do?
[04:31] <seb128> it does determine dpi by some way if it makes the situation better, why can't that be done by xorg itself rather?
[04:32] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, thanks for your log, this has helped me localizing the problem. In the package there are libraries missing (which are on my system due to a former upstream installation of HPLIP 2.x).
[04:33] <Mithrandir> open("/usr/lib/libhpmud.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[04:33] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: ^^ that one is probably the problem
[04:33] <Mithrandir> as you diagnosed yourself at about the same time
[04:34] <tkamppeter> Yes, that's it. I am now correcting the packages, so 2.7.7-0ubuntu4 will work.
[04:38] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, that is really strange that these libraries got included in the older package version, as I had to add a missing line to debian/hplip.install now.
[04:43] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: FWIW +1 on removing the envy posts
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: suggest you comment on the relevant post
[04:43] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: but I tend to look at it more from the angle that the whole idea of envy is totally misguided and should be discouraged
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: well, i suspect there will be some posts of that nature as well
[04:44] <Chipzz> I haven't tried it yet, but chances are that it fucks with the regular packaging and causes problems on upgrades
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: but then again, arent we now blocking upgrades from those who have used automatix and envy?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> and other "helper" scripts?
[04:44] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: I knew about automatix, but not about envy?
[04:45] <Mithrandir> mvo: ^^ ; we discussed this at UDS, has it actually been implemented?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: i thought the plan was for that too
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: the automatix part certainly has
[04:45] <Chipzz> and are we blocking upgrades? I thought we were blcoking bugreports with apport?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> oh wait, maybe that's for apport only yet
[04:45] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: we should be telling the user "You have done stuff to your system which we believe will break the upgrade, sorry."
[04:46] <Chipzz> anyway, would I be correct in stating that envy is misguided and dangerous?
[04:46] <mvo> Mithrandir: not yet
[04:46] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: we should be, but are we yet?
[04:46] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: btw, are you tfheen@ubuntu.com ? :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: [00:46]  <mvo> Mithrandir: not yet
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: no, he's people.eater@ubuntu.com
[04:47] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:47] <mvo> especially for envy (later version do not break anything) I would rather like to work around the issue, but its unfortunately not trivial to setup a testcase
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: (yes)
[04:47] <mvo> I haven't looked at automatix in a while, not sure what this is currently doing
[04:47] <wasabi> yay dpkg triggers
[04:47] <wasabi> congrats. =)
[04:49] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: yes, I am, why?
[04:50] <joelbryan> anyone interested on the ubuntu-based distribution I made?
[04:51] <wasabi> is that statement supposed to make us interested?
[04:51] <joelbryan> http://picasaweb.google.com/joelbryan.juliano/AMADesktop2007
[04:51] <joelbryan> see for yourself
[04:53] <wasabi> that background looks like apples.
[04:55] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: I was looking at a list of packages for a certain reason (seeing in what packages .devhelp files are stored), and I noticed libhildonfm2-dev was in section devel, and I was wandering if that's a mistake (should it be in section libdevel?)
[04:55] <Chipzz> but I may be wrong on that
[04:55] <Hobbsee> joelbryan: anything interesting, apart from a new background and gnome start thing there?
[04:55] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: it should, yes.  File a bug and sub ubuntu-archive?
[04:55] <joelbryan> Hobbsee: nothing more, that's all.
[04:55] <Chipzz> nothing important really
[04:56] <joelbryan> If I have more developers, other than myself, it should be really interesting
[04:56] <joelbryan> heheh
[04:56] <Hobbsee> joelbryan: so you want to poach current ubuntu developers, who are your upstream.  interesting.
[04:56] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: I like bugs for unimportant bugs too.
[04:57] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: but maybe you can clear this up (I asked here earlier but didn't get an answer yet): is section devel for development files from programs (ie not development files from libraries), or is section devel for programming tools?
[04:57] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: devel is not for -dev packages from libraries, that's what libdevel is for.
[04:57] <Chipzz> yes, I know that
[04:57] <Chipzz> :)
[04:58] <Chipzz> but development files from programs, say, gedit and epiphany
[04:58] <Chipzz> should they go in devel or libdevel?
[04:58] <joelbryan> Hobbsee: if that's what you think, then it's not really it is, just want to show it of, and give some gratitude
[04:58] <Hobbsee> joelbryan: it looks cool, yes.
[04:59] <elkbuntu> joelbryan, is this going to only include stuff from the official ubuntu repositories?
[04:59] <joelbryan> so, I just want to give some gratitude to the people who make ubuntu.
[04:59] <joelbryan> that's all.
[04:59] <joelbryan> thanks!
[05:11] <asac> stgraber: i saw that i can add releases for mozilla.qa.stgraber (at least i get to a form when i click on the link) ... is all setup already?
[05:13] <mathiaz> wasabi: did you get a chance to look at bug 118977 ?
[05:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118977 in samba "winbindd will not start do to invalid cache path" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118977
[05:18] <Lure_> Mithrandir (or any other buildd admin): can you give back kdepim (depend is now in main)
[05:20] <seb128> mr_pouit: did you get bug #127439 using the mist theme?
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127439 in gnome-themes "there is no small "Terminal" icon in the stock pack" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127439
[05:21] <Mithrandir> Lure_: it's depwait, so will be retried automatically
[05:21] <Lure_> Mithrandir: ok, thanks - was not sure about it
[05:32] <wasabi> mathiaz: The patch is a fix for an existing patch.
[05:32] <wasabi> mathiaz: And it's possible the fhx.patch file has already been fixed by vorlon (debian)
[05:32] <wasabi> fhs
[05:32] <wasabi> I'll have to reexamine it.
[05:33] <wasabi> thought it looks like the last merge was a month ago, and I've delt with this since
[05:34] <mathiaz> wasabi: your report stated that winbindd doesn't work OOTB.
[05:34] <wasabi> ootb == ?
[05:34] <mathiaz> wasabi: out of the box
[05:34] <wasabi> Ahh yes, at the time of filing, that was correct.
[05:34] <mathiaz> wasabi: what's your configuration ?
[05:34] <mathiaz> wasabi: I've setup a winbindd infrastructure and it works for me.
[05:34] <wasabi> THe bug was regardless of configuration. Winbind should have quit almost immediatly upon starting.
[05:35] <mathiaz> wasabi: should ? why ?
[05:35] <wasabi> Sorry, have to bbl.
[05:35] <wasabi> The bug explains it pretty clearly. ;)
[05:36] <mathiaz> wasabi: The bug was set an high importance. I'm trying to understand why it's high.
[05:37] <mathiaz> wasabi: the only case where this would be annoying is the case of a laptop user which is not connected to the domain.
[05:37] <wasabi> Because at the time of filing it, winbind was unusable.
[05:37] <wasabi> It would not even start.
[05:38] <wasabi> The idea is it would create winbindd_cache.tdb in /var/cache, then go check for it in /var/lib, and fail.
[05:38] <wasabi> soryr, im at work right now, i'll be in and out
[05:39] <mathiaz> wasabi: ok.
[05:41] <daniele_982> hello all
[05:41] <daniele_982> i'm a user of debian and ubuntu and i want know if there're a solution for a big bug of gutsy (and prevoiusly Feisty): http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/ErroreTTY
[05:43] <superm1> infinity, cprov pointed me at asking you for some weirdness happening between sbuild or pbuilder.  using sbuild (on a PPA), a script in /usr/share/PACKAGE/bin/SCRIPT_NAME is turning up -rw-r--r-- root/root  , whereas if i build it locally with pbuilder, it is marked as -rwxr-xr-x root/root.  Same source package for both, any ideas why this is happening?
[05:44] <beuno> Riddell: ping
[05:45] <sistpoty> superm1: maybe a different umask is set in sbuild/pbuilder?
[05:45] <superm1> sistpoty, should I just manually override it in debian/rules then?
[05:46] <superm1> it's a bit odd for that to happen i'd think though, since its marked executable in the .orig.tar.gz
[05:46] <sistpoty> superm1: I think so. Maybe dh_fixperms will also do that for you, not too sure w.o. reading the manpage though ;)
[05:48] <sistpoty> superm1: if you cp the file somewhere, umask comes into effect (just test with creating a dummy file, changing permissions and cp it to a different file=
[05:49] <superm1> so then perhaps sbuild is copying rather than moving files
[05:50] <sistpoty> superm1: no, both sbuild and pbuilder don't copy or move files. that's what is done from debian/rules ;)
[05:51] <superm1> hehe right.
[05:51] <superm1> i'm just a bit perplexed as to what setting in pbuilder is causing it to work as expected then
[05:51] <superm1> since i use cdbs and don't manually copy the files around
[05:53] <sistpoty> superm1: I guess looking at the build system of the software might give you some clue then (just look at what make install does, in case it uses Makefiles=
[05:53] <superm1> k sistpoty .  i'll poke around :)
[05:55] <daniele_982> sme italian here?
[05:56] <daniele_982> *same
[05:57] <sistpoty> daniele_982: I'm not, but have you tried searching for the bug in LP yet?
[05:59] <daniele_982> sistpoty: yes yes a lot of people and a lot of different solution but not one good. This is ridicule because the same bug is present in feisty (not in edgy) and the installer has still this problem
[06:05] <sistpoty> daniele_982: what's the launchpad bug number/link?
[06:07] <daniele_982> sistpoty: there're a lot of number/link if you search /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off and than (busybox) there're a lot of link
[06:10] <tkamppeter> riddell, your uploads of system-config-printer and cupsys seem not to have arrived yet. I do not see them on Launchpad.
[06:10] <keescook> Riddell: in feisty, kdesu is part of kdebase-bin.  in gutsy kdesu is part of kdesudo (a new-in-gutsy package) and kdebase-bin (diverting to the kdesudo version).  The kdesudo version is broken (detects tty as "unknown") where as the kdebase-bin version is fine.  see bug 132456.
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132456
[06:11] <keescook> iwj: I was doing a dist-upgrade in gutsy.  half the time the initramfs hook ran, and nearer the end, I started seeing the trigger reports, but when it finished there was no final initramfs build
[06:11] <Riddell> tkamppeter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/1.3.0-2ubuntu2 is there
[06:12] <keescook> note that I ran out of disk space a few times during the whole thing so I can  dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install in the middle, so I'm pretty sure I confused dpkg to no end
[06:12] <keescook> iwj: it's why I didn't file a bug -- I can't reproduce it, and I think I was entirely to blame.  ;)
[06:13] <Riddell> tkamppeter: system-config-printer was my fault, that should be it uploaded now
[06:14] <tkamppeter> Riddell, thanks.
[06:14] <daniele_982> sistpoty: you have seen???
[06:15] <sistpoty> daniele_982: I'm looking... (and trying to do other things at the same time ;)
[06:16] <beuno> Riddell: I'll be putting the tribe5 release page together
[06:16] <iwj> keescook: Hmm.
[06:16] <Riddell> keescook: well sudo is supposed to remember your password
[06:16] <iwj> Did you see dpkg say `Processing triggers for update-initramfs' ?
[06:16] <Riddell> beuno: at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 ?
[06:16] <iwj> I'm still not convinced there's no dpkg bug so if you don't mind I'll quiz you a bit more.
[06:17] <keescook> Riddell: right, but it is supposed to be tty-bound.  in this case, all ttys are open since it thinks every tty is named "unknown"
[06:17] <beuno> Riddell: yeap yeap
[06:18] <keescook> Riddell: look in /var/run/sudo/$USER/ and compare the behavior of kdesudo and kdesu.distrib
[06:18] <iwj> keescook: If you have a log of any kind that would be ideal.
[06:18] <keescook> iwj: which would be helpful?  I don't have stdout/stderr any more (rebooted)
[06:19] <Riddell> beuno: great, thanks
[06:19] <beuno> Riddell,  :D
[06:21] <iwj> Damn, adsl glitch.
[06:22] <Riddell> keescook: and is that a problem in practice?
[06:22] <iwj> keescook: Hmm.  /var/log/dpkg.log would perhaps be helpful.
[06:22] <iwj> Next time the session transcript please :-).
[06:22] <sistpoty> daniele_982: I can find only three bugs searching for "/bin/sh: can't access tty"
[06:23] <sistpoty> daniele_982: and none of these seem related :/
[06:23] <keescook> Riddell: I view it as a security vulnerability, since programs could attempt to run kdesudo, and if the user _ever_ ran kdesudo during their session, the new program would get root access without password prompting.
[06:23] <keescook> Riddell: it is a regression IMO
[06:24] <daniele_982> sistpoty: for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129817
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129817 in linux-source-2.6.22 "install fails: busybox (initramfs): can't access tty: (/dev/sda trouble?)" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[06:24] <Riddell> keescook: but with X aren't most programmes run from the same tty anyway?
[06:24] <keescook> Riddell: no, each terminal is a new tty (x apps from the menu yes, same tty)
[06:25] <bddebian> Heya folks
[06:25] <Riddell> sure, so for users who don't use a command line, this doesn't make any difference
[06:25] <keescook> Riddell: agreed, but it still needs fixing.  :)
[06:27] <sistpoty> daniele_982: ah, k... maybe you'd want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel then (as it appears to be a kernel bug). However don't expect it to be top priority, as the kernel causes lots of subtle and hard to debug bugs
[06:27] <bddebian> Any of you folks know about all of the postinst's failing connecting to mysql on /var/run/mysqld.sock ?  Is this because of initramfs?
[06:28] <tkamppeter> Riddell, doko, biff
[06:29] <keescook> iwj: 133172 has the log now
[06:30] <daniele_982> sistpoty: ok but this problem are present in Feist with a old kernel
[06:31] <LaserJock> seb128: is the easy-codec stuff working for rhythmbox and totem?
[06:32] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, Riddell, you can fix your printing now with the packages from http://www.linux-foundation.org/~till/tmp/ubuntu/gutsy/hplip/binary/ (32-bit, on 64-bit you need to rebuild the sources or wait for the mirrors)
[06:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: So now that you're core-dev you can't even hang out with us low-lifes anymore eh? ;-P
[06:32] <seb128> LaserJock: totem only
[06:32] <Riddell> tkamppeter: great, I'll upload that now
[06:33] <LaserJock> seb128: blah, will rhythmbox get it by release? That's a pretty big regression.
[06:33] <seb128> LaserJock: it never had it, how is that a regression?
[06:33] <Riddell> keescook: I'll have a think about how to do that
[06:34] <LaserJock> seb128: Feisty had libgimme-codec which worked
[06:34] <keescook> Riddell: the "old" kdesu works correctly... what is the requirement to use this new kdesudo version of it?
[06:34] <seb128> LaserJock: no, the libgimme-codec was only used some weeks, the feature has been moved to gstreamer, and feisty only has easy codec installation for totem
[06:35] <LaserJock> seb128: blah, ok. I guess I must have just used it during those "some weeks"
[06:35] <iwj> keescook: So during your log you saw a message about update-initramfs not being run and that it would instead be run later ?
[06:35] <Riddell> keescook: the old kdesu always thinks it needs a new password (even when it didn't)
[06:36] <Riddell> it also randomly broke at times
[06:36] <seb128> LaserJock: it never worked in rhythmbox
[06:36] <Riddell> seb128: does gnome use /usr/share/autostart ?
[06:36] <seb128> LaserJock: the code is non trivial for rhythmbox that's why it has not be done
[06:36] <iwj> keescook: I mean, that's what you saw to stdout between 12:59 and 16:22 ?
[06:36] <iwj> keescook: Can you check to see if you have  /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/Deferred  and what is in it ?
[06:36] <seb128> Riddell: /etc/xdg/autostart
[06:37] <keescook> iwj: correct.  what I actually saw were instances of update-initramfs running, and then later "trigger activated", and finally a prompt without a final update-initramfs being run.
[06:37] <iwj> keescook: Hmm.
[06:37] <keescook> Riddell: oh, heh.  I almost think that's a better situation, but then, I don't like sudo.  ;)
[06:37] <keescook> iwj: I have the file; it is empty
[06:37] <iwj> keescook: Definitely wrong.  And this was all in what you think was one dpkg run I take it.
[06:38] <iwj> Could you dpkg -i volumeid.deb or some similar file ?
[06:38] <Riddell> keescook: it's not really, we got loads of "kdesu runs as root even when I don't enter a password" bugs since it didn't really need a password at all
[06:38] <Riddell> seb128: ok, I'll get someone to move the restricted-manager autostart file there
[06:38] <keescook> iwj: the final portion I noticed was during one single run of dpkg, yes.  However, there had been at least 2 prior runs getting packages into half-installed states.
[06:38] <iwj> Yes.
[06:38] <seb128> Riddell: it's already there?
[06:38] <Riddell> seb128: it's in /usr/share/autostart, not /etc/xdg/autostart
[06:38] <iwj> I mean, the bit where the triggers were apparently being activated but not happening was in the final run.
[06:38] <seb128> Riddell: I've it in both
[06:39] <iwj> And you haven't run dpkg since ?
[06:39] <Riddell> seb128: when?
[06:39] <Riddell> seb128: am looking at today's ubuntu live CD
[06:39] <seb128> Riddell:
[06:39] <seb128> $ dpkg -L restricted-manager | grep autostart
[06:39] <seb128> /usr/share/autostart
[06:39] <seb128> /usr/share/autostart/restricted-manager.desktop
[06:39] <seb128> /etc/xdg/autostart/restricted-manager.desktop
[06:39] <seb128> using 0.28 version
[06:39] <keescook> iwj: ah-ha! trigger activated, no final run.
[06:39] <keescook> Setting up volumeid (113-0ubuntu7) ...
[06:39] <keescook> update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
[06:39] <keescook> followed by my prompt.
[06:40] <keescook> (from "sudo apt-get --reinstall install volumeid")
[06:40] <iwj> keescook: Weeble.
[06:40] <iwj> dpkg -s initramfs-tools
[06:40] <iwj> |grep Status
[06:40] <keescook> Status: install ok installed
[06:40] <keescook> Version: 0.85eubuntu17
[06:41] <seb128> Riddell: what version do you use?
[06:41] <tkamppeter> Riddell, thanks.
[06:42] <Riddell> seb128: 0.28
[06:43] <iwj> keescook: cat /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs
[06:43] <keescook> cat: /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs: No such file or directory
[06:43] <Riddell> seb128: what version do you have?
[06:44] <iwj> keescook: That's definitely broken.
[06:44] <keescook> which package should install that file?
[06:44] <seb128> rodarvus: " using 0.28 version"
[06:44] <iwj> dpkg is supposed to invent it.  It's complicated.
[06:44] <keescook> ah, okay
[06:45] <iwj> Looking at your log I have a theory.  I won't be able to debug it today but thanks a lot for your help.
[06:45] <Riddell> seb128: most peculiar, I only have the file in /usr/share/autostart/ on both the live CD and my installed desktop
[06:45] <keescook> iwj: sure, let me know if you need more details.  :)
[06:45] <seb128> Riddell: the /etc might a conffile left over from an earlier version
[06:45] <iwj> If this is causing you a problem, reinstalling initramfs-tools should fix it.
[06:45] <iwj> If you could try that now then that would be helpful.
[06:45] <keescook> sure, one sec
[06:45] <seb128> Riddell: anyway you can just edit debian/restricted-manager.install
[06:45] <Riddell> mhb: can you do that?
[06:46] <keescook> iwj: it's doing an update-initramfs without talking about a trigger.  trying the volumeid reinstall now...
[06:46] <Riddell> seb128: do we want r-m to be run on the live CD?  I don't think we do
[06:46] <ion_> iwj: I dont have /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs either.
[06:46] <keescook> iwj: yup, that fixed it.  "trigger activated" and then a "Processing triggers..."
[06:46] <seb128> Riddell: not sure, better to ask to pitti on monday
[06:46] <ion_> initramfs-tools 0.85eubuntu17
[06:47] <Riddell> seb128: ok
[06:48] <iwj> ion_: That's nice to know.  It means the bug will be easier to reproduce :-).
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133172 in dpkg "triggers did not run at the end of dpkg" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133172
[06:52] <mhb> Riddell: okay
[06:53] <iwj> keescook: Thanks for your report and your help.
[06:53] <mr_pouit> seb128: I am going to check the mist theme & targa pictures bugs
[06:54] <seb128> mr_pouit: ok,t hanks
[06:54] <seb128> I've to go now
[06:54] <seb128> see you on monday
[06:54] <keescook> iwj: you bet!  I've added my commandline log with the failure and fix too now.
[06:58] <bddebian> Gahh
[06:59] <ScottK> Goo?
[07:02] <bddebian> ScottK: This mysql thing bugs me and I don't know who to bug about it
[07:03] <ScottK> bddebian: #ubuntu-server
[07:03] <bddebian> Why #ubuntu-server?
[07:03] <ScottK> Because mysql is one of the packages they tend.
[07:03] <bddebian> Ahh, OK, thx
[07:53] <soothsayer> Anybody have advice on how to bump a patch to a newer version of a package. That is, patch applies against 1.0, want to modify it to apply against 1.1
[07:55] <Kmos> soothsayer: ask at #ubuntu-motu
[07:56] <soothsayer> Kmos: Okay
[09:57] <elmo> does anyone know if christer edwards IRCs?
[09:57] <mdke> elmo: yes, he does occasionally I think
[09:58] <elmo> mdke: do you know as what nick?
[09:58] <elmo> (haha spads)
[09:58] <elmo> oh he's not here, bother
[09:58] <mdke> Zelut
[09:58] <elmo> mdke: right - sorry should have thought of LP
[09:58] <mdke> seems online :)
[11:05] <sistpoty> LaserJock: nice mail about revu... not all arguments are right (e.g. mailing list of revu nowadays only accepts mails from revu) but you definitely hit the gist, that we need to define a spec what the opimal workflow for package reviews should be
[11:06] <sistpoty> LaserJock: oh, -> motu ;)
[11:21] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: given that printing works just fine using jetdirect, I'll wait until something hits gutsy.
[11:38] <ion_> Yay for hplip no longer using a permanently running daemon!
[11:55] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, the HPLIP fix is in place. Simply update and check whether your HPLIP gets 2.7.7-0ubuntu4 Then everything should work fine with HPLIP (and system-config-printer will set up queues for your printer with HPLIP automatically).
[11:57] <mathiaz> keescook: I'm having a look at ldap-auth-config package.
[11:58] <mathiaz> keescook: dendrobates asked me to add detection of previous libnss_ldap and pam_ldap files.
[11:58] <mathiaz> keescook: what's the standard way to issue warning messages to the user from a postinstall script ?
[11:59] <mathiaz> keescook: I'd like to say something like "You need to migrate it by hand." and stop there.
[11:59] <mathiaz> keescook: is echo enough ?