| tgm4883 | I hate to ask, but is mythbuntu.org maybe possibly going to be up in the next week? | 12:32 |
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| tgm4883 | I only ask because alpha 4 is supposed to be out next thursday | 12:33 |
| superm1 | i wish i had more updates to give regarding it | 12:33 |
| superm1 | imbrandon was supposed to take care of things this last weekend | 12:33 |
| tgm4883 | it is the same reason that REVU went down? | 12:33 |
| superm1 | nope | 12:34 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 12:34 |
| superm1 | it's something completely sep | 12:34 |
| tgm4883 | thats good I guess | 12:34 |
| tgm4883 | we can still build the iso and do a torrent release right? | 12:35 |
| superm1 | well i haven't done any local builds for a while since i've focused on this control centre | 12:36 |
| superm1 | but assumingly yes | 12:36 |
| tgm4883 | ok, sounds good. Announcing it could be tricky no? Rely on digg? | 12:36 |
| superm1 | well i'll bug imbrandon again tomorrow as tomorrow is 2 weeks | 12:39 |
| superm1 | i'd really hope things can be up and running in the near future | 12:40 |
| tgm4883 | seconded | 12:40 |
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| cornell | Hi superm1, how are you ding? | 12:42 |
| superm1 | cornell, stressed a bit :) | 12:43 |
| cornell | Oh-no, anything I can do for you? | 12:43 |
| superm1 | na, just sorting out a few odds and ends with the control centre that are taking longer than anticipated | 12:43 |
| cornell | Oh dear .. the odds and ends... it's the little bits that bite you | 12:44 |
| superm1 | yup | 12:44 |
| superm1 | stuff like icons not showing up | 12:44 |
| superm1 | and too much getting installed | 12:44 |
| superm1 | the beef to the code is done though | 12:44 |
| cornell | I'm still trying to find my vg. | 12:44 |
| superm1 | volume group? | 12:45 |
| cornell | Yeah... I don't know if you've been following... but I had a knoppmyth machine with a vg, I installed mythbuntu over the knoppmyth, and now I'm trying to get it to "see" the vg on the other partitions. | 12:46 |
| superm1 | ah i see | 12:47 |
| superm1 | you have the lvm utilities installed in mythbuntu? | 12:47 |
| cornell | lvm2 | 12:47 |
| superm1 | right | 12:47 |
| superm1 | and vgdisplay isn't doing much for showing the contents? | 12:48 |
| cornell | "No volume groups found" | 12:48 |
| cornell | Same for vgscan and lvscan | 12:48 |
| superm1 | well that's odd. | 12:48 |
| cornell | pvscan says "no matching physical volumes found | 12:49 |
| laga | re | 12:49 |
| laga | any news on mythbuntu.org? ;) | 12:49 |
| superm1 | laga, nope :( | 12:49 |
| superm1 | we should all go to imbrandon's house with torches and bang on his door i say | 12:49 |
| cornell | parted shows the partitions, /dev/hda,3 shows no Flags, but hdb1 says "lvm" | 12:51 |
| laga | superm1: heh | 12:55 |
| superm1 | so are you missing the first drive in the group then? | 12:55 |
| superm1 | or is that hdb1? | 12:55 |
| laga | superm1: i could call him and charm him wis se accent | 12:55 |
| superm1 | see laga, if you were female, i'd believe you had that ability | 12:55 |
| superm1 | but i dont think a male german accent will do | 12:55 |
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| laga | sad | 12:56 |
| laga | now that would be fun. convince a bunch of german girls to call him | 12:56 |
| superm1 | but i mean your welcome to try | 12:56 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, you've got a gutsy vm you can play with a bit? | 12:58 |
| laga | we need to convince that ben guy to hand mythbuntu.org | 12:58 |
| tgm4883_laptop | not really, i just tried booting up the daily build from today and it freezes my vm | 12:59 |
| superm1 | laga, does he have the domain still? | 12:59 |
| superm1 | or who? | 12:59 |
| laga | what VM? virtualbox? | 12:59 |
| tgm4883_laptop | bendailey | 12:59 |
| tgm4883_laptop | virtualbox | 12:59 |
| laga | superm1: whois mythbuntu.org | 12:59 |
| superm1 | right | 12:59 |
| laga | tgm4883_laptop: are you using their vboxvideo/vboxmouse drivers for X? | 12:59 |
| superm1 | laga, you have one? | 12:59 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | never got that far | 01:00 |
| tgm4883_laptop | the live cd is freezing | 01:00 |
| laga | superm1: yes | 01:00 |
| laga | tgm4883_laptop: hum. i installed mythbuntu, then upgraded | 01:00 |
| superm1 | you mind giving the control centre a spin on it | 01:00 |
| superm1 | and see how it works | 01:00 |
| laga | superm1: sure | 01:00 |
| superm1 | i'll post it somewhere | 01:00 |
| tgm4883_laptop | control center on mythbuntu or gutsy? | 01:00 |
| tgm4883_laptop | because I have a mythbuntu vm | 01:00 |
| laga | mythbuntu is gutsy | 01:00 |
| tgm4883_laptop | right | 01:01 |
| superm1 | either | 01:01 |
| superm1 | actually both would be ideal | 01:01 |
| superm1 | i've tested it in a littered gutsy vm | 01:01 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but gutsy daily wont boot but mythbuntu gutsy will | 01:01 |
| superm1 | but that's it at this point | 01:01 |
| cornell | Question superm1: I've found a reference, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/19386.html , that suggests, after finding the device (/dev/hda3) and the uuid from pvscan (which I did before hand) I can do pvcreate --uuid myuuid /dev/hda3 | 01:01 |
| cornell | Does that sound right, I don't want to trash the data on the disks | 01:01 |
| superm1 | cornell, did knoppmyth use uuid's or device names before? | 01:01 |
| superm1 | http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 01:02 |
| superm1 | laga, tgm4883 ^ | 01:02 |
| cornell | Well heres the result of vgcfgbackup: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m3a245c89 | 01:02 |
| cornell | And my pvscan is here: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m5ff11af8 | 01:03 |
| laga | hum. full screen in virtualbox leaves kicker visible. but only if the VM is run ning at the same res as my X screen (1280x960) | 01:03 |
| superm1 | cornell, i would expect that to wipe the disk | 01:03 |
| cornell | The pvcreate? | 01:03 |
| superm1 | because they describe that in solution 2 | 01:04 |
| superm1 | which is replacing the disk | 01:04 |
| superm1 | with another disk | 01:04 |
| superm1 | and then setting the uuid on it to make it fit | 01:04 |
| superm1 | well er i would say there is a distinct possibility that may happen | 01:04 |
| cornell | Could I use vgcfgrestore, feeding it the output from the vgcfgbackup? | 01:06 |
| foxbuntu | evening superm1 | 01:09 |
| cornell | Do I need to mount /dev/hda3 and /dev/hdb1 ? Something simple like that? | 01:09 |
| superm1 | cornell, not positive | 01:09 |
| superm1 | cornell, no manually mounting the partitions doesn't do it | 01:10 |
| superm1 | they need to be part of that group | 01:10 |
| superm1 | can you dd the drive in question somewhere else? | 01:10 |
| superm1 | and then attempt your pvcreate? | 01:10 |
| laga | superm1: "gdebi" is missing from the depends for the control centre. | 01:10 |
| cornell | Right... but vgscan, etc whatever... do they find stuff that's not mounted, superm1? | 01:10 |
| superm1 | laga, ah right | 01:11 |
| superm1 | i'll add that | 01:11 |
| superm1 | cornell, yes | 01:11 |
| superm1 | it does | 01:11 |
| cornell | K | 01:12 |
| superm1 | laga, see stuff like that is easily overlooked | 01:12 |
| laga | superm1: you need to live in pbuilder | 01:13 |
| superm1 | laga, it will build without gdebi | 01:13 |
| superm1 | it just doesn't run without it | 01:13 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, oh running it isn't important | 01:13 |
| laga | note: i didn't say you need to build in pbuilder, i said you have to live in there ;) | 01:13 |
| cornell | I've found another one: http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2003-March/msg00212.html , he describes using vgcfgbackup, then (after editing out the info for his dead drive) using that file to feed vgcfgrestore, then vgscan and vgchange -a y. How's that sound, superm1? | 01:14 |
| laga | superm1: in the mysql tab: would it be possible to get more information if connection failed? | 01:15 |
| superm1 | laga, like what? | 01:15 |
| superm1 | cornell, that sounds much safer | 01:15 |
| laga | superm1: "timed out", "wrong password" etc | 01:15 |
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| superm1 | laga, python-mysql doesn't tell you much more than a success fail from what i've seen | 01:15 |
| laga | superm1: k | 01:16 |
| cornell | I can't keep screwing with this... and it's not like the data is irreplaceable... I'm diving in with the backup/restore/scan/change... | 01:16 |
| cornell | when I screw up the courage | 01:16 |
| cornell | ;-) | 01:16 |
| superm1 | hehe | 01:16 |
| superm1 | there you go | 01:16 |
| superm1 | that's the spirit | 01:16 |
| tgm4883_laptop | you know what they say | 01:17 |
| tgm4883_laptop | if it ain't broke, you haven't played with it enough | 01:17 |
| laga | "if it ain't broke, you're not trying to get any work done" | 01:18 |
| laga | *sigh* | 01:18 |
| laga | my bitterness is fueled by broken software | 01:18 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | if it is broke, then tgm4883 must have touched it | 01:19 |
| foxxbuntu | in my client's case, its more like "if aint broke, they don't own it" | 01:19 |
| superm1 | foxxbuntu, you got a vm that you can tear loose with that app too? | 01:20 |
| tgm4883_laptop | so, if it is broke, cha-ching for foxxbuntu | 01:20 |
| foxxbuntu | tgm4883_laptop, thats right...the place I work for charges alot too | 01:21 |
| foxxbuntu | :) | 01:21 |
| foxxbuntu | superm1, I could set one up | 01:21 |
| superm1 | that's what i'm waiting for mine to install too :) | 01:21 |
| superm1 | just finished downloading tribe 4 | 01:21 |
| cornell | Gore I get nervous at times like this | 01:21 |
| foxxbuntu | ah...I loaded tribe 4 on my laptop earlier | 01:22 |
| superm1 | well there you go | 01:22 |
| superm1 | your good to go | 01:22 |
| tgm4883_laptop | maybe i should get tribe 4 | 01:22 |
| foxxbuntu | oh what app are you talking about? | 01:22 |
| tgm4883_laptop | control center | 01:23 |
| superm1 | http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 01:23 |
| foxxbuntu | ok | 01:23 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, *centre* :) | 01:24 |
| tgm4883_laptop | whoops | 01:24 |
| tgm4883_laptop | my bad | 01:24 |
| foxxbuntu | yea its French...or something | 01:24 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i think we should call it center. Isn't that what the revolutionary war was all about? | 01:24 |
| laga | zentrum | 01:25 |
| tgm4883_laptop | hey in a vm, should i install the alternate cd (in virtualbox) or will the reg cd wrok | 01:25 |
| laga | superm1: is it ready to be translated? | 01:26 |
| superm1 | reg one works | 01:26 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ok | 01:26 |
| superm1 | laga, as long as it works :) | 01:26 |
| superm1 | i've only tried it on feisty by backporting the gutsy pieces necessary and in a really dirty gutsy vm | 01:26 |
| laga | ooh, python backtrace | 01:26 |
| superm1 | uh oh? | 01:27 |
| superm1 | doing what/ | 01:27 |
| laga | in the middle of downloading lots of packages.. eg installing the frontend, chaging to xubuntu role | 01:27 |
| superm1 | that's really odd..... | 01:28 |
| laga | www.pastebin.ca/660410 | 01:28 |
| laga | maybe i hit the X ubtton | 01:28 |
| laga | hum | 01:28 |
| superm1 | well i didn't implement that function | 01:28 |
| superm1 | lets see where it was needed | 01:28 |
| superm1 | the show_alert only comes up when there is an error | 01:28 |
| laga | maybe it's trying to download a missing packaghe -> i need to apt-get update | 01:29 |
| laga | it's reproducible | 01:29 |
| superm1 | yea i see the problem | 01:29 |
| superm1 | let me fix it really quick and give you another deb | 01:29 |
| laga | you need a repo ;) | 01:30 |
| cornell | Here goes, wish me luck | 01:30 |
| laga | apt-get update fixed it | 01:30 |
| superm1 | that missing textview_hig is something else though that needed to be fixed | 01:31 |
| superm1 | and i wouldn't have caught unless a case like this happened :) | 01:31 |
| cornell | Dang... | 01:31 |
| tgm4883_laptop | tuxfamily repo? | 01:31 |
| cornell | Parse error at byte 3 (line 1): unexpected token | 01:31 |
| cornell | Couldn't read volume group metadata. | 01:31 |
| cornell | Restore failed. | 01:31 |
| cornell | ops... top got truncated, nm | 01:32 |
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| superm1 | okay that issue is fixed at the same url | 01:32 |
| laga | superm1: would be cool if one could choose a mirror near them | 01:33 |
| cornell | mmm.... | 01:33 |
| cornell | Can't process text format file - unrecognised contents field. | 01:33 |
| cornell | Restore failed. | 01:33 |
| superm1 | laga, demands demands.... | 01:33 |
| superm1 | it uses the repo already configured for apt | 01:34 |
| laga | superm1: i was talking about apt. just a general rant, nothing about the control centre | 01:34 |
| laga | superm1: the control centre is great, btw. i'd print the source and take it to bed, but the GF might object to that | 01:34 |
| superm1 | haha | 01:34 |
| laga | now it's hanging trying to download a file (still with the old .deb) | 01:36 |
| laga | it's probably trying to access mythbuntu.org | 01:36 |
| superm1 | check netstat | 01:36 |
| superm1 | you can replace the mythbuntu.org repo with another one temporarily that i have up | 01:36 |
| superm1 | er wait for gutsy no | 01:37 |
| superm1 | for feisty its up | 01:37 |
| cornell | I don't suppose anyone can tell me what's wrong with the vgcfgbackup file indicated in: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m3a245c89 | 01:37 |
| cornell | ? | 01:37 |
| laga | hum | 01:37 |
| laga | VM's offline suddenly | 01:37 |
| superm1 | cornell, i don't know for sure what it should be looking like | 01:38 |
| superm1 | so no | 01:38 |
| laga | "no dhcpoffers received". *sigh* | 01:38 |
| cornell | I found it... when it truncated, it started with..nm I left out "Format" from the contents entry... | 01:39 |
| cornell | Now, I'm getting... | 01:40 |
| cornell | PV /dev/hdb1 is a different format (seqno lvm2) | 01:40 |
| cornell | Restore failed. | 01:40 |
| cornell | I'd looked at parted and saw it, now I parted, and I don't see /dev/hdb !? | 01:43 |
| cornell | Ah, I had to ask for it specifically (I don't remember that) | 01:44 |
| laga | why oh why has my networking in virtualbox just stopped working | 01:44 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | laga, virtualbox? | 01:47 |
| laga | yes. | 01:47 |
| laga | www.virtualbox.org | 01:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | do you have nat setup or real networking? | 01:48 |
| laga | nat is broken | 01:48 |
| laga | just setting up real networking again | 01:48 |
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| foxbuntu | superm1, want to send that link again | 02:05 |
| foxbuntu | I had problems with my wifi there for a bit | 02:05 |
| superm1 | http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 02:05 |
| foxbuntu | how big is the package? | 02:06 |
| foxbuntu | 32.6KB? | 02:07 |
| superm1 | yea | 02:07 |
| foxbuntu | k | 02:07 |
| foxbuntu | just wanted to make sure I don't have strange shit going on still | 02:08 |
| foxbuntu | I am grabbing the remainder of update | 02:08 |
| foxbuntu | s | 02:08 |
| cornell | mmm.... I've found /etc/lvm/backup/vg created this evening. It seems to be the same as my vgcfgrestore output... | 02:08 |
| cornell | woohoo!!!! For reasons I don't understand, I did a vgscan.... It found the vg!!!! | 02:10 |
| superm1 | wow awesome | 02:10 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, what kernel is tribe 4 using? | 02:10 |
| superm1 | i dunno | 02:10 |
| foxbuntu | ok | 02:10 |
| foxbuntu | Im pretty sure I have it though, it did a partial distro upgrade today | 02:10 |
| cornell | woohoo!!!! pvscan has results too!!!For reasons I don't understand, I did a vgscan.... It found the vg!!!! | 02:10 |
| cornell | ehhem.... woohoo!!!! pvscan has results too!!! | 02:11 |
| foxbuntu | lol | 02:11 |
| foxbuntu | I love the package name for firefox now | 02:12 |
| laga | ok, this is annoying. g'nightz | 02:12 |
| laga | foxbuntu: what is it? | 02:12 |
| foxbuntu | laga, ubufox | 02:13 |
| laga | heh | 02:13 |
| laga | nice one | 02:13 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, brb...gotta reboot | 02:14 |
| cornell | Dang.... I think I've got it back!!! | 02:15 |
| cornell | What do I do now? | 02:15 |
| cornell | Ah, wait I remember... | 02:16 |
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| cornell | It was, on the other machine, /myth. I understand the default for mythbuntu is /lib/var/myth (or something like that)... and my mySQL dump refers to /myth. So... I need to either 1. have it mounted as one with a symbolic to the other, or 2. change the default to /myth. Opinions? | 02:18 |
| superm1 | symbolic link is probably easiest | 02:18 |
| cornell | um... what is the default? I don't have a /lib/var, could it be /var/lib ? | 02:19 |
| superm1 | /var/lib/mythtv/recordings | 02:19 |
| superm1 | is where it goes i believe | 02:19 |
| cornell | Ok... I'm going to mkdir /myth and then mount /dev/vg/myth /myth and see what's there, sound like a good idea? | 02:23 |
| superm1 | well no i say you do it this wya | 02:24 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, I have the control centre up | 02:24 |
| superm1 | mount it to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings | 02:24 |
| superm1 | and then make that a symlink to /myth | 02:24 |
| superm1 | well either way | 02:24 |
| superm1 | just make one of them a symlink | 02:24 |
| superm1 | i'd say /myth since that is not LSB anyhow | 02:24 |
| cornell | Well... I don't know if there's a recordings directory already there. So if I do /myth, I can ls -la and then symlink /var/lib/whatever to /myth.... oh... not LSB? | 02:25 |
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| superm1 | linux standards base | 02:25 |
| cornell | AH | 02:25 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, the AMDCC doesn't do anything | 02:25 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, then you don't have amdcccle installed | 02:26 |
| superm1 | it should be greyed out | 02:26 |
| foxbuntu | ok | 02:26 |
| foxbuntu | but its not | 02:26 |
| superm1 | it's not? | 02:26 |
| foxbuntu | nope | 02:26 |
| foxbuntu | I can click it | 02:26 |
| superm1 | well do you have amdcccle installed? | 02:26 |
| cornell | Ok... of course I could create /var/lib/myth, mount and look and then add recordings later, if necessary | 02:26 |
| foxbuntu | not that I am aware of | 02:26 |
| superm1 | well the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings directory is already there | 02:26 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, can you do ls /usr/bin/amd* | 02:26 |
| superm1 | and see? | 02:26 |
| superm1 | so that's why i was saying its probably easiest to mount it there and then just make your symlink | 02:27 |
| foxbuntu | ok its there | 02:27 |
| superm1 | can you run it? | 02:27 |
| cornell | No, it's not. But then I've not run myth setup | 02:27 |
| foxbuntu | I have /usr/bin/amdcccle | 02:27 |
| foxbuntu | nope its broken | 02:28 |
| foxbuntu | :) | 02:28 |
| superm1 | okay so not the control centre's problem :) | 02:28 |
| foxbuntu | lol | 02:28 |
| foxbuntu | guess not | 02:28 |
| superm1 | well mine works here | 02:28 |
| superm1 | but i'm on a newer driver than exists | 02:28 |
| foxbuntu | oh this is sweet | 02:29 |
| foxbuntu | great work superm1 | 02:29 |
| cornell | oo-ra!!! | 02:29 |
| cornell | I got data!!!! | 02:29 |
| superm1 | :) | 02:29 |
| cornell | The directory, on the vg has some 19 directories in it (some are mine) | 02:29 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, great work on the control centre | 02:29 |
| cornell | So it should be under ..... /recordings? | 02:30 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, is it all working ? :) | 02:30 |
| foxbuntu | looks to be | 02:30 |
| superm1 | i'm still waiting on my vm to finish installing | 02:30 |
| superm1 | great | 02:30 |
| superm1 | cornell, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings i think | 02:30 |
| cornell | Now... what should the permissions be.... whose the owner and group? | 02:31 |
| superm1 | mythtv:mythtv | 02:32 |
| cornell | sudo chown /var/lib/mythtv and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings? | 02:32 |
| cornell | oops... left out the mythtv:mythtv ;-) | 02:32 |
| superm1 | just do it recursive | 02:32 |
| cornell | Ah -r | 02:32 |
| cornell | or -R | 02:32 |
| cornell | NOw.... load mySQL before, or after, running mythtv setup? | 02:34 |
| superm1 | you mean your backup? | 02:34 |
| cornell | Yeah, I'd done a mysqldump before starting this | 02:35 |
| superm1 | well you should do mythtv-setup here first i'd say | 02:35 |
| cornell | i.e. it points to /myth for the location of files, but has ... config parametres from the knoppmyth | 02:35 |
| superm1 | and then copy in the tables you need from your dump | 02:35 |
| cornell | aH... TABLE BY TABLE COOLS | 02:36 |
| cornell | oops | 02:36 |
| cornell | my bad, caps lock | 02:36 |
| cornell | Ok... now, this is funky... the machines sitting at the mythbuntu desktop, there's an icon MythTV Setup... I click it, nada. double-click, nada. | 02:37 |
| cornell | Oh... and do I have to change fstab or something to mount the vg when I reboot? | 02:37 |
| superm1 | try launching it from a command line | 02:39 |
| superm1 | right click the desktop | 02:39 |
| superm1 | and type mythtv-setup | 02:39 |
| superm1 | and see if that comes up as expected | 02:39 |
| cornell | Termnial emulator... sudo mythtv-setup command not found | 02:40 |
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| cornell | without sudo... it says it's not installed, I should apt-get it. | 02:42 |
| superm1 | it's not installed? | 02:42 |
| superm1 | that's really odd | 02:42 |
| superm1 | you did a backend/frontend install did you not? | 02:42 |
| cornell | I stand corrected, it suggests installing mythtv-backend. | 02:43 |
| cornell | Yes front and back, but I stopped before configuring myth | 02:43 |
| cornell | Shoudl I start mythtv-backend? | 02:43 |
| superm1 | still should have been there. | 02:43 |
| superm1 | really weird | 02:43 |
| superm1 | you've hit some odd stuff in general | 02:43 |
| superm1 | it starts for you after running mythtv-setup | 02:44 |
| cornell | Tell me about it... First thing I did after the partial install, apt-get install openssh-server. Ends up with list of names, and suggesting running autoremove. I did, and whole pile of stuff went away. | 02:45 |
| superm1 | ohh that's what happened | 02:45 |
| cornell | Should I do an apt-get install mythtv-backend and frontend? | 02:45 |
| superm1 | yea that is something that was discovered later | 02:45 |
| superm1 | don't autoremove :) | 02:45 |
| cornell | (and it turns out openssh-server was already there | 02:45 |
| cornell | :-( | 02:45 |
| superm1 | that's gonna be fixed next alpha around (the marking of those apps) | 02:46 |
| superm1 | as autoremovable | 02:46 |
| cornell | So what do I do now, some apt-gets, try the install again from the livecd, make a sacrifice to tux? | 02:47 |
| superm1 | well with mythbuntu.org down, the easy way to install the meta to get it all back isn't availble | 02:48 |
| superm1 | so it's a bit of a messy situation | 02:48 |
| superm1 | so i'd say probably apt-get's | 02:48 |
| superm1 | since you've got most of everythign else back | 02:48 |
| superm1 | you lost all the fun preconfigured stuff that was supposed to be done for you :) | 02:48 |
| superm1 | all the magic | 02:48 |
| cornell | Can I apt-get mythtv? Or I do mythtv-backend, frontend etc. | 02:49 |
| tgm4883_laptop | :( no magic | 02:49 |
| superm1 | yes that will work | 02:49 |
| cornell | apt-get install mythtv ? | 02:49 |
| superm1 | yes | 02:49 |
| cornell | And... do I need to do something so that the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings gets re-mounted at reboot? | 02:50 |
| superm1 | put it in your /etc/fstab | 02:51 |
| cornell | Can I do a mount and then see the line for it and copy into /etc/fstab ? | 02:52 |
| superm1 | i dont think that gets you a perfect copy and paste | 02:52 |
| superm1 | but you can use that data to write your line | 02:52 |
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| cornell | Ok... I'd done a: sudo mount /dev/vg/myth /var/lib/mythtv/recordings | 02:55 |
| superm1 | so just follow the syntax in the /etc/fstab | 02:55 |
| cornell | but mount shows: /dev/dm-0 on /var/lib/mythtv/recordings type ext3 (rw) | 02:55 |
| tgm4883_laptop | what kind of magic do you have to pull on a fresh gutsy vm in virtualbox | 02:55 |
| superm1 | it should be that first one, <TAB>, the second one <TAB> and then follow the others they have listed | 02:55 |
| cornell | Note the difference between /dev/dm-0 and /dev/vg/myth | 02:56 |
| superm1 | tgm4883_laptop, use a tribe 4 disk not a daily? | 02:56 |
| superm1 | cornell, that's fine | 02:56 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i did | 02:56 |
| superm1 | it's likely symlinking | 02:56 |
| tgm4883_laptop | it installed, i tried to install vbox additions, then rebooted and I got the error where it tries to start gdm 6 times | 02:56 |
| superm1 | hm | 02:57 |
| superm1 | i dunno what could have happened there | 02:57 |
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| cornell | Ok, so the fstab line would be: /dev/vg/myth /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ext3 | 02:57 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well i'll reinstall it, no vbox additions this time | 02:57 |
| cornell | Any options, dump or pass? | 02:58 |
| superm1 | i dont think so | 02:58 |
| cornell | Is rw the options? | 02:58 |
| superm1 | defaults will do | 02:58 |
| superm1 | just: | 02:58 |
| superm1 | default | 02:58 |
| superm1 | defaults | 02:58 |
| cornell | K | 02:59 |
| cornell | Ok, done. | 03:00 |
| cornell | So, now... in a terminal I can run sudo mythtv-setup, right? | 03:00 |
| cornell | (I did the apt-get installmythtv) | 03:01 |
| superm1 | no sudo needed | 03:01 |
| cornell | K | 03:01 |
| cornell | Cool!!! | 03:02 |
| cornell | I'm in setup!!! | 03:02 |
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| cornell | Frequency table... us-cable for normal analog cable | 03:07 |
| superm1 | yes | 03:08 |
| cornell | Setting up isn't going to cause my existing recordings to delete will it, even though they're not in the database? | 03:14 |
| superm1 | no reason it should | 03:17 |
| cornell | Now... Video source setup, that's where my listings come from,right? | 03:18 |
| superm1 | yes | 03:18 |
| superm1 | xmltv, zap2it, etc | 03:18 |
| cornell | I've entered zap2it userid/password... retrieve lineups? | 03:21 |
| superm1 | yes | 03:22 |
| cornell | Ah... that's which zap2it lineup I want... | 03:22 |
| cornell | BTW, thank you superm1 ;-) | 03:22 |
| superm1 | glad to be able to help cornell, it's a shame that you have to go through it the long route here though :S | 03:23 |
| cornell | I know I'm at the esasy stuff, well documented, but man, I am beat. | 03:23 |
| cornell | Thanks again | 03:23 |
| cornell | Scan for channels? Fetch channels from listings source? | 03:24 |
| superm1 | fetch if its zap2it | 03:25 |
| cornell | K | 03:25 |
| cornell | Input priority... priorities in general... lower number is higher priority? | 03:26 |
| superm1 | i usually leave them default | 03:26 |
| cornell | K | 03:27 |
| cornell | But... priorities in general... lower number is higher priority? | 03:27 |
| cornell | Or vice versa? | 03:27 |
| superm1 | off hand i dont recall | 03:27 |
| cornell | K, thanks | 03:27 |
| superm1 | i would innately think higher number is higher priority | 03:27 |
| cornell | Channel Scanner? Transport Editor? | 03:28 |
| superm1 | don't worry about either | 03:29 |
| cornell | It said that channel two wasn't available on card 0, said it twice. I think card 0 is the one that doesn't have a cable connection (the other card does), is that ok for now? | 03:31 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, umm | 03:33 |
| cornell | mythfilldatabase is running | 03:33 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, you hit a road block with it appearing to hang? | 03:33 |
| foxbuntu | I am looking at this thing with the new guide data provider | 03:33 |
| superm1 | expand the dialog | 03:33 |
| superm1 | that's what i was referring to by odds and ends | 03:33 |
| superm1 | cornell, you can go in and manually change that if need be | 03:34 |
| cornell | I'll check tomorrow if it worked (in time for Dr Who, I hope)... I still have to load the mySQLDump (and hook up the other card) | 03:34 |
| superm1 | loading that mysql dump, you'll have to be careful what tables you load | 03:34 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, the guide data provider has KnoppMyth as an allowed provider | 03:34 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, perhaps we need to get on that list | 03:34 |
| cornell | But it could come from there being no signal, cause there's no cable, right | 03:34 |
| cornell | RIght... gotto remember... load by TABLE, not database. | 03:35 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, it will have to be for gutsy +1, i'd like to have a solid release before looking for anything commercial | 03:35 |
| foxbuntu | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware | 03:35 |
| cornell | I'll work on which tables later ;-) | 03:35 |
| cornell | TTFN | 03:35 |
| superm1 | cya cornell | 03:35 |
| cornell | Thanks guys, superm1 especially. | 03:35 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, no this is the software they are listing at approved | 03:35 |
| cornell | Look for my wiki entry on lvm's ;-) | 03:35 |
| cornell | (but don't hold your breath) ;-) | 03:36 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, well our project URL is still down, so i wouldn't submit yet :) | 03:37 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, agree'd just thought we should jump on that list when we can | 03:37 |
| superm1 | ya | 03:37 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, on that note as well I submitted a request to that ISP about getting rack space...so we will see what happens | 03:38 |
| superm1 | awesome | 03:38 |
| superm1 | i'm gonna call brandon again tomorrow since it's 2 weeks tomrrow | 03:38 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, another soultion might be a hosting service | 03:38 |
| foxbuntu | I have an awesome one too | 03:39 |
| superm1 | a hosting service, as in paying? | 03:39 |
| foxbuntu | http://www.anhosting.com | 03:39 |
| foxbuntu | yea | 03:39 |
| foxbuntu | this is fairly cheap though | 03:39 |
| superm1 | eh i'd really prefer not to pay | 03:39 |
| foxbuntu | i know | 03:39 |
| superm1 | i put enough time into this project | 03:39 |
| foxbuntu | it would be a last resort | 03:40 |
| superm1 | well if nothing else, we'll eventually be on the canonical servers | 03:40 |
| superm1 | but that will be some time | 03:40 |
| superm1 | since they have other things they are fixing | 03:40 |
| superm1 | unrelated to us | 03:40 |
| foxbuntu | yea...the hacked servers perhaps | 03:40 |
| foxbuntu | ;) | 03:40 |
| foxbuntu | well without a server though this project is gonna lose ground with the community | 03:43 |
| superm1 | i know | 03:43 |
| foxbuntu | that hosting service is only $7/month | 03:44 |
| foxbuntu | I mean if Brandon can't do anything for us any longer and its going to be a bit before we can get into the cononical servers and my contact doesn't work out...it would be worth while to put up a cheap website like this | 03:49 |
| superm1 | i am just worried that those are costs that won't be recovered, and by having something up already, be less apt to get another provider for free | 03:50 |
| foxbuntu | it is a catch 22 | 03:51 |
| superm1 | i'll see what brandon says tomorrow | 03:52 |
| foxbuntu | k | 03:52 |
| superm1 | you see my point though | 03:52 |
| foxbuntu | yea | 03:52 |
| foxbuntu | either way we need to find our way to a stable server to sit on | 03:53 |
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| foxbuntu | lol | 04:16 |
| superm1 | haha | 04:16 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, see, its not what you know, its who you know | 04:17 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, what was the BW there again? | 04:17 |
| foxbuntu | I thought it was 3 DS3's | 04:17 |
| superm1 | i *guess* that should suffice | 04:18 |
| foxbuntu | which a DS3 is 45MB each way | 04:18 |
| foxbuntu | its enough | 04:18 |
| superm1 | that was a joke | 04:18 |
| foxbuntu | I know | 04:18 |
| foxbuntu | I am excited for this | 04:19 |
| superm1 | you know i think the control centre is done | 04:21 |
| superm1 | i can't seem to catch anything else going wrong now | 04:21 |
| foxbuntu | very nice | 04:24 |
| foxbuntu | on time as usual! | 04:24 |
| foxbuntu | lol | 04:24 |
| superm1 | well i think i'm going to go eat really quick, and then give it a few more go's to make sure i can't identify any other oddities | 04:25 |
| foxbuntu | awesome | 04:29 |
| foxbuntu | ttyl | 04:29 |
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| superm1 | tgm4883_laptop, i've got a newer control centre that fixes several issues when you're done updating | 05:07 |
| superm1 | and ready to give it ago | 05:07 |
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| foxbuntu | tgm4883_laptop, you know what...tonight I am the lee7 team member | 05:31 |
| tgm4883_laptop | hows that? | 05:32 |
| foxbuntu | I pulled some strings and called in a favor | 05:33 |
| tgm4883_laptop | sweet | 05:33 |
| foxbuntu | got us into a new data center and a newer server for free | 05:33 |
| foxbuntu | well I own the server, but the DC is still free | 05:33 |
| tgm4883_laptop | good news, so mythbuntu should be back up before alpha 4 | 05:34 |
| foxbuntu | i hope so...I have to work out the details and get some new parts on rush order but I think I can make that happen | 05:34 |
| foxbuntu | superm1 was gonna call imbrandon tomorrow about getting the backup from the other server sent over so I can restore it | 05:35 |
| tgm4883_laptop | so you really are the 1337 one today | 05:36 |
| foxbuntu | the new sever is going to be much improved as well | 05:36 |
| foxbuntu | a 3200+ AM2 x64 RAID-1 SATA DUAL GB NICS | 05:37 |
| tgm4883_laptop | will the control center and such work on a gutsy desktop install? | 05:37 |
| foxbuntu | yes | 05:37 |
| foxbuntu | I tested that for superm1 tonight | 05:37 |
| foxbuntu | I am running the latest gutsy build | 05:38 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i just updated my gutsy vm | 05:38 |
| foxbuntu | I run it on the laptop I have everyday | 05:38 |
| tgm4883_laptop | wow | 05:38 |
| tgm4883_laptop | thats gutsy, pun intended | 05:38 |
| foxbuntu | lol | 05:38 |
| foxbuntu | it has been trying at times but...overall pretty good | 05:39 |
| foxbuntu | I have been running it like this for 3 or 4 weeks | 05:39 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i had to run feisty from about herd 3 or 4 | 05:40 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i was having some hardware issues with edgy | 05:40 |
| foxbuntu | the newer kernel is gutsy is much improved | 05:40 |
| foxbuntu | I am much happier on gutsy from feisty | 05:40 |
| foxbuntu | it would be cool if gutsy got the 2.6.23 kernel in, but I don't think that will happen until gutsy+1 | 05:42 |
| tgm4883_laptop | whens the kernel cutoff? | 05:43 |
| foxbuntu | I think its already passed | 05:44 |
| foxbuntu | and the rc for 2.6.23 just came out like 2 weeks ago | 05:44 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea it was probably the debian import freeze | 05:45 |
| tgm4883_laptop | if not then it was definetly by todady | 05:45 |
| foxbuntu | yup | 05:45 |
| tgm4883_laptop | upstream version freeze | 05:45 |
| foxbuntu | oh, I didn't know that | 05:46 |
| foxbuntu | wow really close to next version | 05:46 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but im thinking it was the debian import freeze | 05:46 |
| tgm4883_laptop | hmm | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | unless | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | kernelfreeze? | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | oct 4th | 05:47 |
| foxbuntu | ah | 05:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | could be? | 05:48 |
| foxbuntu | idk...I haven't looked at the dates in awhile | 05:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 05:49 |
| foxbuntu | I think I saw a post saying that the 2.6.23 wasn't going to be let in | 05:50 |
| tgm4883_laptop | a | 05:50 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ah | 05:50 |
| foxbuntu | holy balls | 05:50 |
| foxbuntu | a client PC infected seriously with virus crap | 05:50 |
| foxbuntu | damn it...gonna be a long night | 05:51 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i hate when that happens | 05:54 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | whats that link to the control center again? | 06:05 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | anyone? | 06:08 |
| tgm4883_laptop | fine, you guys win | 06:10 |
| tgm4883_laptop | superm1, whats the link to the control-centre | 06:11 |
| superm1 | tgm4883_laptop, let me grab it | 06:11 |
| superm1 | http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/ | 06:11 |
| superm1 | its in there | 06:11 |
| tgm4883_laptop | thanks, i'll grab it when the vm reboots | 06:12 |
| superm1 | brb | 06:14 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well i found something that probably works as intended, but is a little confusing to an end user | 06:20 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | superm1, few questions | 06:26 |
| tgm4883_laptop | about the control centre | 06:26 |
| superm1 | yea | 06:26 |
| tgm4883_laptop | it's probably working as designed | 06:27 |
| superm1 | tgm4883_laptop, wow does gutsy suck on virtual box once you install the additions.... | 06:27 |
| superm1 | what's happening? | 06:27 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i haven't got the additions installed | 06:27 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i think it would break it again | 06:27 |
| superm1 | i just made the mistake of installing them :) | 06:27 |
| tgm4883_laptop | anyway, I noticed that you can add a desktop to a mythtv installation | 06:27 |
| superm1 | right | 06:28 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but if you try to switch to no desktop, all it removes is ubuntu-desktop so you still have the desktop | 06:28 |
| tgm4883_laptop | its a one way thing | 06:28 |
| superm1 | well yes and no | 06:28 |
| superm1 | because you can apt-get autoremove afterward | 06:28 |
| superm1 | and then it will pull out all the automatically installed things from ubuntu-desktop | 06:29 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ok, but | 06:29 |
| superm1 | i'm not too sure if the autoremovable stuff should be marked (or how to mark it for that matter) | 06:29 |
| tgm4883_laptop | If I had a FE/BE/desktop, then bought a new computer and wanted to remove the desktop and just have a FE/BE on the system | 06:30 |
| tgm4883_laptop | that wouldn't really do it | 06:30 |
| superm1 | well you could just go to the autologin page | 06:30 |
| superm1 | and hit enable autologin | 06:30 |
| tgm4883_laptop | right | 06:30 |
| superm1 | and then it wouldn't boot into the desktop anymore | 06:30 |
| tgm4883_laptop | would it not? Or would it just login as the user | 06:31 |
| superm1 | i'm going to upload one more version, install it, and then "Try It" (TM) | 06:31 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ok | 06:31 |
| superm1 | okay it's uploaded | 06:31 |
| tgm4883_laptop | one more thing | 06:31 |
| superm1 | yea | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | the mythstream package? | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | that should be in universe right | 06:32 |
| superm1 | well not yet | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | right | 06:32 |
| superm1 | it hasn't cleared binary NEW | 06:32 |
| superm1 | or source NEW | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ah | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but eventially | 06:32 |
| superm1 | and anything not in the archive breaks this package really bad | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ah | 06:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | just wondering | 06:33 |
| superm1 | you might need to purge the old version before you install this one if it complains | 06:33 |
| tgm4883_laptop | control centre is installed by default in mythbuntu? | 06:34 |
| superm1 | will be | 06:34 |
| superm1 | and i'm adding the mythtv menu item for it right now | 06:35 |
| superm1 | i want it to be the "way" to install mythtv from normal Ubuntu too ideally | 06:35 |
| tgm4883_laptop | I dont know if my Gutsy VM is messed up. Is there a System > Preferences > Theme in gutsy like there is in Feisty | 06:41 |
| superm1 | i think it got re-named | 06:41 |
| superm1 | to something different | 06:41 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ah | 06:41 |
| superm1 | but my gutsy vm is dead so i dunno | 06:41 |
| superm1 | i'm debating updating my feisty laptop to gutsy now so that i can stop screwing around with VMs and personal backports | 06:42 |
| tgm4883_laptop | hmm | 06:43 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well it's nice that you can install the mythbuntu artwork onto a regular machine | 06:43 |
| superm1 | well kinda - | 06:43 |
| tgm4883_laptop | although i cannot activate it as the theme | 06:43 |
| superm1 | that only installs the gdm-theme right now | 06:43 |
| superm1 | until the meta clears the archive | 06:44 |
| superm1 | same problem as encountered if i was to put mythstream in there right now | 06:44 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but when it does, gdm should look like mythbuntu? | 06:44 |
| superm1 | well right now, if you install that artwork package, and then activate automatic login, yes it does | 06:45 |
| superm1 | after the meta clears, it should also do the usplash | 06:45 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well in any case, thanks to the control centre, i would like to revive this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-desktop | 06:46 |
| superm1 | well how so? | 06:48 |
| superm1 | i mean what goes on a mythbuntu-desktop then? | 06:48 |
| superm1 | other than ubuntu desktop with mythbuntufied looks | 06:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | exactly | 06:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | its finished | 06:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but since it was a blueprint, it should be revived. gives it a record, notifies the drafter | 06:49 |
| superm1 | sure | 06:49 |
| tgm4883_laptop | basically its a moot point, but reviving it says that its implemented, not denied | 06:49 |
| superm1 | well it's kinda implemented | 06:50 |
| superm1 | i mean nothing goes through and sets all that default artwork setting | 06:50 |
| superm1 | other than a normal install | 06:50 |
| superm1 | okay well i added the support for mythstream, but commented out the lines that check for installation already and the lines that mark it for install/removal. right before this gets uploaded to the archive, i'll remark those and things should be fine | 07:01 |
| superm1 | tgm4883_laptop, are you part of the PPA beta? | 07:11 |
| tgm4883_laptop | dont think so | 07:11 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ha, i guess that would be no | 07:11 |
| superm1 | okay. | 07:12 |
| superm1 | well i was gonna say maybe you can just push mythstream to a PPA for now | 07:12 |
| superm1 | until it clears | 07:12 |
| superm1 | i might use one to do the mythbuntu iso build | 07:12 |
| superm1 | are you going to do any other plugins before the NEW package freeze? | 07:13 |
| tgm4883_laptop | whens the new package freeze? | 07:15 |
| tgm4883_laptop | off to bed, getting late here and some people are waiting on me | 07:16 |
| superm1 | its the 30th | 07:16 |
| superm1 | so you've got a little bit yet | 07:16 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea, i'll start another one tomarrow. Look though the unofficial ones and let me know if theres one that looks good to do | 07:18 |
| tgm4883_laptop | im leaning toward the MRE | 07:18 |
| superm1 | i'll try'n take a look tomorrow | 07:18 |
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| cann | morning =) | 08:50 |
| superm1 | morning | 08:54 |
| superm1 | hmm morning in some parts of world == me should be in bed soon :) | 08:54 |
| cann | hehe thats true =) its morning in sweden | 08:56 |
| cann | btw i just found out about your mythbuntu distro. i have been runing a custom install for about a year now and iam very excited to try this one out | 08:57 |
| superm1 | cann, well as soon as we get out site back up, alpha 4 should be within a few days | 09:00 |
| superm1 | so i'll def encourage you to to try that | 09:01 |
| superm1 | if you give me a sec, i'm just finishing the screenshots for a piece that i was working on the last 2 days, you can take a sneak peak :) | 09:01 |
| cann | ohh sure thing =) | 09:02 |
| superm1 | they are all here: http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/ | 09:04 |
| cann | nice ! this looks very good | 09:06 |
| superm1 | ideally this can / will be used on both ubuntu and mythbuntu | 09:07 |
| superm1 | so you don't have to sacrafice you're desktop role to take advantage of mythbuntu toys | 09:07 |
| cann | ok although i use a dedicated backend + frontend for it atm .. iam planing to expend it with 2 more frontends soon | 09:08 |
| cann | yeah i bet alot of people use myth on thier standard workstation | 09:09 |
| superm1 | yea, that's what i was thinking | 09:09 |
| superm1 | so try to help both crowds | 09:09 |
| cann | yepp very nice =) | 09:10 |
| cann | btw you know anyone that has installed this on a Via Epia system ? | 09:11 |
| superm1 | ya some of the guys that are in here | 09:12 |
| superm1 | if you were wondering about openchrome - just got that added to gutsy recently | 09:13 |
| cann | yepp was wondring about that hehe =) | 09:14 |
| cann | what window manager does mythbuntu use ? | 09:18 |
| superm1 | openbox | 09:18 |
| cann | ok cool | 09:18 |
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| cornell-w | Morning all | 01:07 |
| cornell-w | DaveMorris: With superm1's guidance, I got it going.... Got the lvm recognized, hooked up, went through the setup. I still have to load the database, certain tables anyway, and symlink /myth to /var/lib/myth/recordings. Then I'll be able to see if the frontend works ;-) | 01:08 |
| cann | morning | 01:10 |
| cornell-w | Hi cann, I don't suppose you're a channel op, are you? | 01:16 |
| laga | hum | 01:32 |
| laga | i should request op status, right | 01:32 |
| cann | cornell-w: nope sorry =/ | 01:40 |
| cornell-w | I just mention because the topic should be changed... the last token is a link, and there's no blank before the \". So if you click the link, you go to the MythTV" page on help.ubuntu.com, and there isn't one ;-) | 01:53 |
| DaveMorris | sounds good | 01:59 |
| laga | you can change that | 02:12 |
| laga | oh | 02:12 |
| laga | you can't, sorry | 02:12 |
| laga | this channel is +t | 02:12 |
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| replman | Hi! | 03:16 |
| laga | hi replman | 03:17 |
| replman | i have some problems with my tt c-1500 card and mythtv | 03:17 |
| replman | hi laga :-) | 03:17 |
| replman | Do i have to load a kernel-module? | 03:17 |
| replman | under /dev there's not video0, but i can see a /dev/dvb/adapter0/* | 03:18 |
| laga | maybe | 03:18 |
| laga | /dev/dvb/ would be the right thing | 03:18 |
| replman | so you think the card is installed? | 03:18 |
| laga | check dmesg | 03:19 |
| replman | [ 32.472095] DVB: registering frontend 0 (ST STV0297 DVB-C)... | 03:19 |
| replman | [ 32.386668] DVB: registering new adapter (TT-Budget-C-CI PCI). | 03:19 |
| replman | yes | 03:19 |
| replman | good idea :-) | 03:20 |
| replman | so how can i get mythtv run? | 03:20 |
| laga | um | 03:21 |
| laga | how can you *not* get it to run? what's missing? | 03:21 |
| replman | i only get a black picture | 03:22 |
| laga | what did you do? | 03:22 |
| replman | i ran mythtv-setup. in "tv cards" i chose "DVB DTV TV-Karte (v3.x)" | 03:23 |
| replman | is this right? | 03:24 |
| laga | yes | 03:25 |
| replman | then i chose dvb-cartnr 0, the line bellow shows "Frontend ID: ST STV0297 DVB-C) | 03:25 |
| replman | signal timeout 1000, tuning timeout 3000 | 03:25 |
| replman | i didn't enter the diseqc and the recordingoptions-menu | 03:25 |
| laga | did you scan for channels? | 03:26 |
| replman | I used a channels.conf file | 03:27 |
| replman | when i do a channel-scan i get the message "Fehler beim Analysieren der Parameter" | 03:27 |
| laga | you need to enter some parameters when scanning for channels | 03:27 |
| laga | 15:19 < Falballa> laga: 'kabel' could be scanfrequenzen fuer kabel deutschland: 113.000.000 (frequency), 6900000 (symbol rate), qam64 (modulation) | 03:28 |
| laga | ^^ try that | 03:28 |
| replman | then i got a "Timeout Scanning Frequency 113.000.000 -- no signal" | 03:31 |
| replman | i'll be back in some minutes | 03:34 |
| laga | replman: i don't think you have to enter the dots | 03:35 |
| laga | superm1: i have just used the control centre to install mythweb. the "installing and removing packages" screen hangs because debconf is waiting for me to configure mythweb in the "installation details" screen. | 03:36 |
| laga | superm1: when i installed mythweb (fixes packages), php5 was not enabled. it was not a clean install, though.. | 03:44 |
| === jams takes on the role of whiny user. | ||
| jams | oh man thats it, the whole control center is busted. | 03:48 |
| laga | oh no | 03:48 |
| laga | and you have to pay for EPG, too! | 03:49 |
| replman | laga: what do you mean with dots? | 03:49 |
| jams | it did everything for me except install php | 03:49 |
| replman | ah, 113000000 | 03:49 |
| laga | replman: 113.000.000 -> 113000000 | 03:49 |
| === jams ends role of whiny user | ||
| laga | jams: seriously, it should install php | 03:49 |
| jams | yeah i agree | 03:50 |
| replman | laga: now i get "Timeout scanning frequency 113000000 -- no tables" | 03:50 |
| laga | replman: try a different transponder | 03:50 |
| laga | ffs, now it failed when upgrading to trunk | 03:51 |
| jams | laga i try hard to not enable php, but seems every things wants it. | 03:51 |
| laga | jams: mythweb does ;) | 03:52 |
| jams | i know, its the one app that forced me to install php in mythvantage. | 03:53 |
| jams | cursed it for days over that one. | 03:53 |
| jams | not that i didn't know it needed php, but it still irked me | 03:53 |
| laga | heh | 03:54 |
| laga | what's wrong with php, except for the security implications? | 03:55 |
| jams | probably nothing, but I put in the same class of perl. Everybody uses it but I can't stand reading or writing the code. Gives me an uneasy almost dirty feeling. | 03:58 |
| laga | you dont have to read the code | 03:59 |
| laga | just use it ;) | 03:59 |
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| replman | laga: when i scan other transponders, mythtv throws a segmentation fault | 04:00 |
| replman | isn't there a easy way (without mythtv) to test if i get a signal? I also do not get vdr running :-( | 04:01 |
| gardengnome | replman: try kaffeine | 04:01 |
| gardengnome | or czap and friends | 04:01 |
| replman | oh, when i run kaffeine it finds my dvb card. An hour ago it didn't :-) | 04:02 |
| gardengnome | superm1: also, can you look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/rtc-video-timing ? very easy to implement, i'm just not sure where to put it | 04:02 |
| replman | when i do a channel search with kaffeine i see the signal@1%, SNR@2-4%. And locked is always green | 04:05 |
| gardengnome | replman: can you watch any channels? | 04:06 |
| replman | no | 04:06 |
| replman | with tv yes | 04:07 |
| gardengnome | ARD/ZDF? | 04:07 |
| replman | and with my dbox also yes | 04:07 |
| replman | in kaffeine i get no channels | 04:07 |
| replman | But the search is still running | 04:07 |
| replman | 30% | 04:07 |
| gardengnome | ah | 04:08 |
| gardengnome | let it finish then | 04:08 |
| replman | yes | 04:08 |
| gardengnome | superm1: why i can i choose a user for auto-login in the control centre? isn't "mythtv" used all the time? | 04:11 |
| replman | Uh, 75%... | 04:14 |
| replman | search finished but no channels were found :-( | 04:17 |
| replman | Do you think the quality of my signal is to bad? I had a pvr-250 before and the picture was a little noisy | 04:18 |
| replman | That's one reason why i bought a dvb-c | 04:19 |
| gardengnome | dunno if your card's signal monitor is accurate | 04:19 |
| gardengnome | do you use an amplifier? | 04:19 |
| replman | no | 04:19 |
| gardengnome | long cable or something? | 04:20 |
| replman | but i have a 20m cable | 04:20 |
| gardengnome | try a shorter cable | 04:20 |
| replman | Ok, then i'll be back soon. Have to move my pc :-) | 04:20 |
| replman | cu! Thank's alot!!! | 04:21 |
| gardengnome | ;) | 04:21 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, you here? | 04:22 |
| superm1 | regarding that issue you ran into | 04:22 |
| superm1 | i've got a workaround in the control centre already | 04:23 |
| superm1 | http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythbuntu-control-centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 04:23 |
| gardengnome | yes | 04:23 |
| gardengnome | ah, didn't know you had a ppa already | 04:24 |
| superm1 | yea i've been messing with it | 04:24 |
| superm1 | i put a weekly build up there too | 04:24 |
| superm1 | there are some quirks to using it | 04:24 |
| superm1 | but i think i've got them managed enough that i can use the thing for such purposes | 04:24 |
| superm1 | i set up the cd build script to use it too | 04:24 |
| gardengnome | cool stuff | 04:25 |
| superm1 | so if you get that trunk stuff fixed, we can keep the weekly builds on one ppa for fixes and one for trunk | 04:25 |
| superm1 | (you can't put them both on the same PPA) | 04:25 |
| gardengnome | right. just fixed another bug in the mythweb package | 04:26 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, does it affect -fixes too? | 04:29 |
| superm1 | or just trunk | 04:29 |
| gardengnome | just trunk.. | 04:30 |
| superm1 | okay good | 04:30 |
| gardengnome | you can look at the change, but i dunno if there's a similar thing in fixes | 04:30 |
| superm1 | did you push it to launchpad | 04:32 |
| gardengnome | yes | 04:32 |
| superm1 | okay updating right now then | 04:32 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, now about the auto login, that was something to be changing this upcoming alpha | 04:33 |
| superm1 | so that the user who launches the control centre has permissions to launch the control centre | 04:33 |
| gardengnome | ah | 04:34 |
| gardengnome | right | 04:34 |
| superm1 | /usr/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre is really a wrapper script | 04:34 |
| gardengnome | any ETA on alpha 4? | 04:34 |
| superm1 | that checks for root, and then gksudo, and then kdesu | 04:34 |
| superm1 | and chooses one | 04:34 |
| superm1 | well i did an ISO build locally after i got that PPA up, but ubiquity looks fsck'ed | 04:34 |
| superm1 | i haven't investigated | 04:35 |
| gardengnome | any possibility to kill that window with a remote? :) | 04:35 |
| superm1 | i'd really like to be able to | 04:35 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure how to feasibly do it though | 04:35 |
| superm1 | really i'd love to be able to control it from a remote | 04:36 |
| superm1 | but that's asking for trouble i think | 04:36 |
| gardengnome | hum | 04:36 |
| gardengnome | there are a few possibilities | 04:36 |
| superm1 | unless of course | 04:36 |
| superm1 | http://pylirc.mccabe.nu/ | 04:36 |
| gardengnome | dbus/irkick (i think), lircmd... | 04:36 |
| superm1 | hm pylirc isn't in ubuntu | 04:41 |
| superm1 | that makes it a bit less convenient to use | 04:41 |
| gardengnome | is the current control centre UI suitable for a media centre? ten foot interface etc? | 04:42 |
| superm1 | well i haven't tried it in a mythbuntu env yet or on my TV | 04:43 |
| gardengnome | neither have i | 04:43 |
| gardengnome | but i already know that default fonts are a bit too small usually | 04:44 |
| gardengnome | maybe i'll try later, but i'm hacking on SiS support right now | 04:44 |
| superm1 | oh that font scaling is going to be trouble | 04:44 |
| superm1 | because i constrained things into a 800xYYY window | 04:44 |
| superm1 | to make sure it worked in virtual box and low resolution env | 04:44 |
| gardengnome | my irtual box is running at 1280xYYY ;) | 04:45 |
| superm1 | you got the virtual box video driver working?? | 04:45 |
| gardengnome | yes | 04:45 |
| superm1 | once i enabled it and put that fix in for xinerama, it came up a little futher | 04:46 |
| superm1 | but still died | 04:46 |
| gardengnome | you need one additional fix | 04:46 |
| gardengnome | ah | 04:46 |
| gardengnome | just installed libstdc++5 | 04:46 |
| gardengnome | that should help | 04:46 |
| gardengnome | some helper app used by X depends on it AFAIK | 04:46 |
| superm1 | ah figures | 04:47 |
| superm1 | something silly like that | 04:47 |
| gardengnome | heh | 04:47 |
| gardengnome | that's what you get for running pre-production software | 04:47 |
| gardengnome | they changed something in the host interface networking it seems, i need to re-vise my setup | 04:48 |
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| replman | ok, that was not the problem | 04:48 |
| tgm4883 | arg, am I the only one that wants a metallic case sticker? | 04:51 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythbuntulivefz0.png | 04:51 |
| superm1 | that is how it looks | 04:52 |
| superm1 | in a mythbuntu env | 04:52 |
| superm1 | well live env | 04:52 |
| gardengnome | tgm4883: mythtv ones? | 04:52 |
| gardengnome | superm1: who was on that artwork team again? :) | 04:52 |
| tgm4883 | ah, hadn't though of that, I was just looking for Metallic Ubuntu ones | 04:53 |
| superm1 | yea that gtk theme really really needs to be fixed | 04:53 |
| tgm4883 | I was looking the the canonical store, don't really want to go the ebay route | 04:53 |
| tgm4883 | But the canonical store doesn't have any | 04:53 |
| tgm4883 | I shot them an email | 04:53 |
| tgm4883 | And is it just me, or do all the pictures for ladiers shirts (everywhere) always use maniquins with huge perky knockers | 04:54 |
| tgm4883 | Only place I have found the Metallic ones is ebay | 04:56 |
| gardengnome | python/glade is confusing. | 04:56 |
| gardengnome | but i'm beginning to understand how it works | 04:56 |
| gardengnome | what's wrong with boobs, btw? | 05:00 |
| tgm4883 | nothing | 05:00 |
| tgm4883 | I just wondered who was modeling these shirts | 05:00 |
| tgm4883 | and what her phone number is | 05:00 |
| superm1 | http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythbuntuliveinmythtvsk0.png | 05:01 |
| gardengnome | that's a valid question | 05:01 |
| superm1 | there it is launched from mythtv | 05:01 |
| gardengnome | another iulius user :) | 05:01 |
| superm1 | in VM's ya | 05:01 |
| superm1 | it's very light weight | 05:01 |
| gardengnome | i use it on my low-memory frontend | 05:02 |
| tgm4883 | can you control it with remot? | 05:02 |
| superm1 | not currently | 05:02 |
| replman | gardengnome: if i run czap ZDF -c .klear/KabelBW-dvbc.channels.conf i get a signal of 0331, snr arround 06bf. When i remove the cable i get a signal of 0000. Is 0331 to low? Can you imagine what's wrong? | 05:02 |
| tgm4883 | possible though | 05:02 |
| superm1 | and it fits very poorly into that 800xYYY window | 05:02 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, how to work out doing that is going to be trouble :) | 05:03 |
| tgm4883 | not to try and make more work, but if it was a mythtv plugin, that would fix the res and remote problem | 05:03 |
| tgm4883 | or even a mythweb plugin | 05:03 |
| === superm1 walks away and hits his head for a little after he just wrote the whole thing in pyGTK....... | ||
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| tgm4883 | arg, stupid internet | 05:04 |
| gardengnome | mythtv plugin? ask jams about that, he knows it all ;) | 05:04 |
| === tgm4883 puts whiteout on the screen to remove his earlier suggestion to make superm1 feel better | ||
| gardengnome | mythui is a PITA according to him ;) | 05:04 |
| tgm4883 | well thats no good then | 05:05 |
| gardengnome | replman: sorry, i can't help you there, running out of knowledge and time. | 05:05 |
| gardengnome | replman: www.vdr-portal.de - search that forum. | 05:05 |
| gardengnome | replman: but keep using mythtv, ya hear me? :) | 05:05 |
| === tgm4883 hopes schedulesdirect rolls out soon. Groups of 100 doesn't sound like good news | ||
| jams | superm1- what you have is good work. I suggest you go with it and revisit the topic later | 05:06 |
| replman | gardebgnome: Thank you!! | 05:07 |
| tgm4883 | although I suppose I would have 14 days before I run out of scheduling | 05:07 |
| jams | gardengnome- it was a learning experiance thats for sure. If i lost it all I probably wouldn't start over. | 05:07 |
| superm1 | jams, yea if anything, a second frontend would be created as a mythplugin | 05:07 |
| superm1 | so you could use the pyGTK variant outside myth | 05:08 |
| superm1 | and then the plugin variant inside | 05:08 |
| superm1 | but I can already forsee the coding nightmare there :) | 05:08 |
| gardengnome | yup | 05:08 |
| jams | right..the mythui doesn't work well for your plan of both desktop/mythbox | 05:08 |
| gardengnome | superm1: we should be able to fix the UI. no worries. or use VNC for now. | 05:09 |
| tgm4883 | X forwarding? | 05:09 |
| gardengnome | harder to set up | 05:09 |
| superm1 | with mythui also, I don't have nice things like python-apt for apt cache info and stea... er inheriting gdebi's install methods | 05:09 |
| gardengnome | unless over SSH | 05:09 |
| jams | superm1- how does the control centre work now? Does it interact directly with the OS? | 05:09 |
| superm1 | it interacts with python-apt | 05:10 |
| tgm4883 | of course over SSH, is there any other way ;) | 05:10 |
| superm1 | to determine what's installed | 05:10 |
| jams | ah | 05:10 |
| superm1 | and queries files in /etc for settings | 05:10 |
| gardengnome | superm1: in a GtkComboBox, how do i select the value of the menu entry that's selected? the code i'm looking at suggests that it's using indices of some kind. | 05:11 |
| jams | and those files in /etc are standard unbunta files? | 05:11 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, in glade, or in python you are wondering? | 05:11 |
| gardengnome | superm1: python | 05:11 |
| superm1 | jams, the flies in /etc it looks for are: | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/lirc/hardware.conf | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/lirc/lircd.conf | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/exports | 05:11 |
| superm1 | /etc/samba/smb.conf | 05:12 |
| superm1 | and i think that's it | 05:12 |
| jams | got it, standard files | 05:12 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, self.combo_box_name.set_active(0) | 05:12 |
| superm1 | or 1 or what not | 05:12 |
| superm1 | the only non standard one i would see there are is /etc/lirc/hardware.conf | 05:12 |
| superm1 | that is something specific to debian and ubuntu | 05:12 |
| superm1 | and ubuntu's version has some improvements over the debian version | 05:12 |
| jams | right | 05:12 |
| superm1 | the remote database is built from lirc.hwdb (which was introduced by lirc 0.8.2) | 05:13 |
| gardengnome | superm1: .set_active or .get_active? | 05:13 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, if you want to query which one is active, .get_active() returns an integer | 05:14 |
| superm1 | .set_active(NUM) sets the current active item | 05:14 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, mind you i just spoke with ubiquity guys, they broke a lot of it in one of the past releases | 05:14 |
| gardengnome | superm1: ah, and it's my job to map the integer to something usable | 05:14 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i should be able to backport my changes to something stable quite easily | 05:15 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, now if you want to add items to the ComboBox in python | 05:15 |
| superm1 | you do it like this | 05:15 |
| superm1 | self.remote_driver.append_text(ITEM) | 05:15 |
| === gardengnome nods | ||
| superm1 | and it automatically gets put at the next higher number than what is there | 05:16 |
| superm1 | but if you know the option will always be there, then just add it to glade | 05:16 |
| gardengnome | yes, i was going to do that | 05:16 |
| superm1 | if you look at the control centre, i have a big function that resets all of the GTK settings in the app, and initially it was because i didn't trust glade to do it, but i've overcome that opinion and now its for convenience. when revert is pressed, the GUI is reset and everything is recalculated | 05:17 |
| gardengnome | cool | 05:17 |
| gardengnome | 17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon" | 05:21 |
| gardengnome | tgm4883: ^^ looks like they already have a test feed | 05:21 |
| tgm4883 | test feed for? | 05:22 |
| superm1 | schedules direct | 05:22 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 05:22 |
| superm1 | any ETA on this patch, so we can put it into SRU's for the ubuntu packages? | 05:23 |
| tgm4883 | sweet | 05:23 |
| superm1 | er at least ETA for packagers | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'm being a bit stupid here. looking at stuff like "17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon" | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | gah. | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'm being a bit stupid here. looking at stuff like "17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon" | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | hum | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | ah | 05:23 |
| gardengnome | i haven't enabled copy&paste for the VM yet. | 05:23 |
| === gardengnome hits backspace as well. | ||
| superm1 | i didn't type what i thought i did either | 05:24 |
| superm1 | i meant to ask if this breaks zap2it | 05:24 |
| superm1 | eg replaces it | 05:24 |
| tgm4883 | sounds good, I just hope they can burn through their list of people | 05:24 |
| tgm4883 | customers | 05:24 |
| tgm4883 | since they are taking them in groups of 100 | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | superm1: scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-drivers uses strings to refer to tv standards etc while mythbuntu-ui.y uses integers. where does mapping between inter<->string take place? | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | 17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the | 05:25 |
| superm1 | hehe | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | official patch ready "soon" | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | 17:14 < Cardoe> GreyFoxx: yeah but you cheat and have access to the SD data already.. the rest of us | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | don't.. ;) | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | 17:15 < GreyFoxx> I think there might be a first 100 users test starting this weekend | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | 17:15 < GreyFoxx> I saw the words first come first served heh | 05:26 |
| gardengnome | superm1: it'll replace zap2it, yes. danielk is working on it | 05:26 |
| gardengnome | 17:16 < Cardoe> would be nice if distro packagers could get into that... | 05:26 |
| === gardengnome checks -commits | ||
| gardengnome | 17:16 < Cardoe> so that we could ensure we're shipping a decent package for users | 05:26 |
| superm1 | ideally this weekend would be good to prepare the SRU's | 05:26 |
| superm1 | and do all the test builds | 05:26 |
| gardengnome | superm1: seen my question? | 05:28 |
| superm1 | ah you were looking for an answer :) | 05:28 |
| superm1 | the mapping takes place in glade | 05:28 |
| superm1 | it's a bit hard coded | 05:28 |
| superm1 | if you open the glade file and look at that combo box | 05:29 |
| superm1 | you'll see the options listed there in a static order | 05:29 |
| gardengnome | yes | 05:29 |
| gardengnome | i've already added my own combo box and added an entry: "sis" | 05:29 |
| gardengnome | how do i access the string from python, though? | 05:30 |
| jams | ack sis | 05:30 |
| gardengnome | jams: pundit-s *shrug* | 05:30 |
| superm1 | get_active_text() | 05:30 |
| superm1 | i think | 05:31 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 05:31 |
| gardengnome | i might as well rtfm | 05:31 |
| superm1 | there is a pyGTK API out there | 05:31 |
| superm1 | that's how i learned most of what i know about it | 05:31 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 05:32 |
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| gardengnome | of FFS | 06:06 |
| gardengnome | virtualbox froze on me and i didn't save my glade changes | 06:07 |
| superm1 | haha | 06:08 |
| superm1 | and the moral of the story is? | 06:08 |
| gardengnome | the amount of random b0rkage is getting annoyingly high | 06:08 |
| gardengnome | superm1: "use freebsd" | 06:08 |
| superm1 | haha | 06:08 |
| gardengnome | is the control centre ready to be translated, btw? | 06:11 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, i'd say so | 06:12 |
| gardengnome | cool | 06:12 |
| gardengnome | expect a translation then soon | 06:12 |
| superm1 | i'm still not sure how you work all the translation stuff into it | 06:12 |
| superm1 | but if you can do it | 06:12 |
| gardengnome | did you see my rtc-video-timing blueprint? | 06:12 |
| superm1 | then by all means :) | 06:12 |
| superm1 | No? | 06:12 |
| gardengnome | superm1: well, translation support is done and committed i think? | 06:12 |
| superm1 | does it work right? | 06:12 |
| gardengnome | i think so | 06:13 |
| gardengnome | only tested it briefly, but got some strings to change | 06:13 |
| gardengnome | i don't think i can translate the menu on the left yet, but that's not crucial | 06:13 |
| gardengnome | superm1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/rtc-video-timing | 06:13 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, can /etc/sysctl.conf source other files? | 06:14 |
| gardengnome | hum | 06:15 |
| gardengnome | man 5 sysctl.conf doesn't mention such a thing | 06:15 |
| gardengnome | but we could set it at boottime | 06:15 |
| gardengnome | man 8 sysctl | 06:16 |
| superm1 | well question would be why isn't it done by default? | 06:16 |
| superm1 | is there a negative side effect? | 06:16 |
| gardengnome | i have no clue. AFAIK | 06:17 |
| superm1 | well that needs to be investigated then | 06:17 |
| gardengnome | , it lets the user choose a higher frequency/granularity | 06:17 |
| gardengnome | how could it have a negative impact? | 06:20 |
| gardengnome | it just raises a limit | 06:20 |
| superm1 | well if it doesn't have a negative impact, why isn't it default in the kernel config :)? | 06:20 |
| gardengnome | conspiracy? | 06:21 |
| superm1 | perhaps, but i think #ubuntu-kernel would have to verify that | 06:26 |
| gardengnome | hum | 06:27 |
| gardengnome | i'm trying to run my hacked ubiquity now (having installed the .deb), but it just throws me back to the shell with no error message | 06:28 |
| gardengnome | anything i can do to debug? | 06:28 |
| superm1 | i just asked there :) | 06:29 |
| laga | cool, thanks | 06:29 |
| superm1 | how did you run it? | 06:29 |
| superm1 | sudo ubiquity mythbuntu-ui? | 06:29 |
| superm1 | sudo ubiquity mythbuntu_ui? | 06:29 |
| laga | yes, or sudo /usr/lib/ubiquit/bin/ubiquity | 06:30 |
| superm1 | well if you do it via sudo /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity mythbuntu_ui, things should backtrace if something goes wrong i think | 06:30 |
| laga | nope | 06:31 |
| laga | no output | 06:31 |
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| superm1 | try launching the gtk interface | 06:35 |
| superm1 | to see if you broke the mythbuntu one | 06:35 |
| laga | gtk one works. i haven't changed a lot so it should be easy to track down | 06:37 |
| superm1 | you might consider pulling the latest branch too | 06:38 |
| laga | this checkout is from yesterday. hum | 06:43 |
| laga | i had a technician come over this morning to fix the washing machine. he told me it was OK. i've just found it in a catatonic state again | 06:44 |
| laga | i should have stayed in bed ;) | 06:44 |
| laga | looks like Sd will be available before the cut-off | 06:45 |
| superm1 | the thing that worries me about doing a SRU is the effect that anyone on ubuntu packages has to switch to zap2it early | 06:49 |
| superm1 | *from | 06:49 |
| tgm4883 | foxbuntu, you around? | 06:52 |
| laga | oh | 06:52 |
| laga | hum | 06:52 |
| laga | superm1: they can still use the grabber, but that involves manual setup | 06:53 |
| superm1 | the grabber as in zap2it? | 06:53 |
| superm1 | via xmltv_dd? | 06:53 |
| laga | tv_grab_na_dd or so | 06:53 |
| superm1 | ah right | 06:53 |
| superm1 | keescook, i didn't see mythtv and mythplugins get posted to the changes list yesterday or in the gutsy NEW queue, did you make sure they were dput to the right place? | 06:54 |
| keescook | superm1: let me double-check... | 06:55 |
| keescook | er, wtf... | 06:55 |
| keescook | I got emails about it... | 06:55 |
| keescook | crap. what happened to them?? | 06:56 |
| superm1 | emails as in FTBFS? | 06:56 |
| superm1 | or in ACCEPTED? | 06:56 |
| keescook | no, like, accepted. | 06:56 |
| keescook | did the lirc thing go in? | 06:57 |
| superm1 | yes | 06:57 |
| superm1 | that is on -changes | 06:57 |
| keescook | Successfully uploaded mythtv_0.20.1+fixes14194-0.0ubuntu1.dsc to upload.ubuntu.com. | 06:57 |
| superm1 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/thread.html | 06:57 |
| keescook | etc | 06:57 |
| superm1 | since they are multiverse, they have to be acked by someone before they go to -changes? | 06:57 |
| superm1 | or something to that effect? | 06:58 |
| keescook | it should be between Accepted python-launchpad-bugs 0.2~r40 (source) Kees Cook and Accepted bughelper 0.2~r184 (source) Kees Cook | 06:58 |
| superm1 | weird. there are 3 others between there | 06:59 |
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| juliux | hi all | 07:07 |
| superm1 | hi juliux | 07:07 |
| juliux | just a general question, can i use mythtv also with an analog tv card? | 07:07 |
| superm1 | yes | 07:08 |
| juliux | cool | 07:08 |
| juliux | later i will switch to a dvb-t usb stick | 07:08 |
| juliux | but if i want record one channel and watching an other channel i need to devices right? | 07:09 |
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| superm1 | juliux, yes you'll need two devices then | 07:39 |
| superm1 | unless you are watchign a recording | 07:39 |
| juliux | ok | 07:40 |
| juliux | but my first impression is that mythtv is a little bit slow | 07:40 |
| juliux | so i think i will only use it for recording | 07:40 |
| superm1 | slow as in channel changing? | 07:41 |
| superm1 | or slow as in what? | 07:41 |
| juliux | the frontend is slow | 07:42 |
| superm1 | use a more lightweight skin if you can | 07:42 |
| juliux | ok | 07:42 |
| juliux | i will try it after my dinner;) | 07:42 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | juliux, what system specs | 07:47 |
| superm1 | laga, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3842#comment:1 | 08:02 |
| superm1 | that is where the patches will show up | 08:02 |
| superm1 | keescook, when i prep the SRU's for edgy and feisty, do you think I should also update them to the newer packaging in gutsy, or just apply that one patch? | 08:04 |
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| juliux | tgm4883, amd athlon xp 2400+ with 786mb ram | 08:14 |
| jams | laga- any word on purple galaxy? | 08:26 |
| cornell-w | juliux: for what it's worth, when I started with mythtv, with knoppmyth, watching it on a monitor, it was slow... there were some tweaks, which I don't remember, and it was fine. And the machine is slower than yours. | 08:40 |
| juliux | cornell, i think i will use mythtv only for recording and with out a frontend | 08:41 |
| juliux | i hope my via epia 800mhz 386mb ram is fast enough for recording a dvb-t stream | 08:41 |
| laga | jams: i dont think i emailed the guy yet | 08:43 |
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| cornell-w | juliux: here's my experience with my first working setup... http://www.cplug.net/wiki/Knoppmyth_for_a_dummy | 08:58 |
| juliux | cornell-w, thxs | 08:58 |
| superm1 | i just dist-upgraded to dev laptop gutsy. everything looks like it suddenly has a nice polish. is this a new GTK version or what? | 08:59 |
| cornell-w | You'll be interested, perhaps, in "Oops, Not Quite" "No Video", toward the bottom | 08:59 |
| laga | superm1: shiny 3d effects? | 09:04 |
| superm1 | i dont know if that's what it is | 09:04 |
| superm1 | all the widgets look pretty | 09:04 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, afternoon did you get a chance to talk to imbrandon today? | 09:05 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, i called his number, but he is either "out of the service area or his phone is off" | 09:05 |
| superm1 | i'll keep trying throughout this afternoon | 09:05 |
| superm1 | foxbuntu, you going to the state fair today? | 09:05 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, my folks were talking about it, they have some free tickets for me...but I am not sure if I want to even go | 09:06 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, why? | 09:06 |
| superm1 | free tickets eh? | 09:06 |
| superm1 | well i was gonna head there this afternoon | 09:06 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, oh no...your turning into an Iowa redneck | 09:06 |
| superm1 | na. i just need some of your kind of people's food | 09:07 |
| foxbuntu | lol...food is pretty great there isn't it | 09:07 |
| foxbuntu | true fat man food | 09:07 |
| foxbuntu | deep fried oreo's | 09:07 |
| jams | heh | 09:07 |
| jams | worth trying at least once | 09:08 |
| laga | o_O | 09:08 |
| superm1 | i was hoping for deep fried pickles. they had that at the minesota faire | 09:08 |
| superm1 | they were good... | 09:08 |
| superm1 | brb, gonna reboot into a gutsy kernel :) | 09:08 |
| jams | don't think your gonna find that at the iowa fair | 09:08 |
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| superm1 | woah i feel so out of place now. it wacked up all my fonts oddly | 09:15 |
| superm1 | and i can't get over this polish on all my gtk apps | 09:15 |
| superm1 | crazyness | 09:15 |
| laga | it's ok | 09:16 |
| laga | we're here for you | 09:16 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, its ok...if I can do it, you can too ;) | 09:17 |
| superm1 | where did System->Preferences->Theme go? | 09:17 |
| foxbuntu | system > pref > appearance | 09:17 |
| laga | see: that's why i use kubuntu. it's nowhere as polished as ubuntu IMHO ;) | 09:17 |
| Mirage | why do you need polish and neat gtk effects for running a dvr? just something else to eat memory and slow down performance | 09:19 |
| foxbuntu | Mirage, we don't use the package ubuntu-desktop with Mythbuntu | 09:19 |
| superm1 | Mirage, this is just my dev laptop i upgraded, not a mythbuntu install :) | 09:19 |
| foxbuntu | and the debian kernel 2.6.22 is much improved in memory handleing from previous generations | 09:20 |
| Mirage | ah, ok | 09:20 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, so your up to 2.6.22-9 now? | 09:20 |
| superm1 | yea | 09:20 |
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| foxbuntu | you like the performance diff or have you even noticed one yet? | 09:21 |
| superm1 | haven't noticed yet | 09:21 |
| tgm4883_laptop | noticed what? | 09:21 |
| foxbuntu | oh, well you have a newer laptop too so | 09:21 |
| superm1 | oh i've gotta go though. i'll be back after the faire | 09:21 |
| foxbuntu | I noticed one right away on my older hardware | 09:22 |
| foxbuntu | ok | 09:22 |
| foxbuntu | superm1, who are you going with? | 09:22 |
| superm1 | some school friends | 09:22 |
| foxbuntu | aight | 09:22 |
| foxbuntu | well have fun...I will catch you later | 09:22 |
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| beavis_ | hi guys, I installed trunk packages build with help of your debian/*. I used make install for months now without problems but with the packages I can't start LiveTV anymore on a remote Frontend | 09:36 |
| beavis_ | EntryToProgram failed to get pginfo <-- error msg when trying to start LiveTV | 09:37 |
| beavis_ | I had to isntall the mythtv-backend package on a pure remote frontend, is that right? | 09:39 |
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| Mirage | beavis: do you have a password set on mysql for root, and do you have the backend configured to be accessible by a remote frontend? I seem to recall in the setup on mythbuntu that it doesn't seem to enable remote frontends by default. | 10:29 |
| beavis | Mirage, root doesn't have a password | 10:31 |
| beavis | but I can access the db from remote | 10:31 |
| beavis | fe with mysql -u mythtv -p -h .... mythconverg | 10:32 |
| Mirage | not sure...never had any issues personally. | 10:48 |
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| jumpkick | are you guys not having a website anymore... it's been like 3 weeks no? | 11:42 |
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| jams | they are working on it | 11:45 |
| jumpkick | jams: for 3 weeks, do they need some help? | 11:50 |
| jumpkick | I can host a back-up site | 11:50 |
| jams | hosting issues..you could talk to superm1 about it | 11:51 |
| tgm4883_laptop | there was an unavoidable problem | 11:51 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well, unforeseen | 11:51 |
| jumpkick | is this related to the ubuntu community servers that got hacked? | 11:51 |
| tgm4883_laptop | nope | 11:51 |
| tgm4883_laptop | afaik we should be back up before the release of alpha 4 | 11:52 |
| jumpkick | tgm4883_laptop: It would be nice if I could refer people to a web site before then | 11:52 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well...... | 11:52 |
| tgm4883_laptop | are you looking to pick up iso's or for general information? | 11:53 |
| tgm4883_laptop | there is basically 3 places you can go for different things | 11:53 |
| jumpkick | different wikis on ubuntu.com and the ubuntu forums right | 11:54 |
| tgm4883_laptop | kinda | 11:54 |
| jumpkick | I had a guy at work who was asking me | 11:54 |
| jumpkick | and I was explaining yeah, I'm using Mythbuntu | 11:54 |
| jumpkick | he said "what?" | 11:54 |
| tgm4883_laptop | there is the mythbuntu launchpad site, there is a basic mythbuntu wiki, and there is the iso mirror | 11:54 |
| jumpkick | "I would point you at the site, but it's still down" | 11:54 |
| tgm4883_laptop | its been down for 2 weeks today, so I think there is another avenue we are persuing | 11:55 |
| jumpkick | hosting everything accept the ISOs should be no problem | 11:56 |
| jumpkick | just getting the DNS changed is the trickiest thing | 11:56 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yep, we have a mirror for the iso's. And there is also the torrents | 11:57 |
| jumpkick | yeah the torrent is how I got Alpha 3 | 11:57 |
| jams | jumpkick- there is also the fact that somebody else controls the dns(at leaset that's what i heard) | 11:57 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea, that is also a problem | 11:57 |
| jumpkick | jams: even still... setting up a Mythbuntu back-up site | 11:57 |
| jumpkick | so at least people can google it | 11:58 |
| jumpkick | even if the url is wrong | 11:58 |
| jumpkick | would be better then nothing | 11:58 |
| tgm4883_laptop | right, I believe we are in the process of getting the backup | 11:58 |
| jumpkick | oh, don't have back-ups of the main server | 11:59 |
| tgm4883_laptop | not sure, not my area | 11:59 |
| jumpkick | maybe I'll go set-up an unofficial site... :D | 11:59 |
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