| mhb | LongPointyStick: you're welcome ... thanks goes my irssi logs :o) | 12:18 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/ | 12:34 |
| nixternal | woohoo! | 12:34 |
| nixternal | this week we should have all of the topics 100% completed, putting us almost a month ahead of schedule!!!! | 12:34 |
| mhb | nixternal: cool-o | 12:35 |
| mhb | nixternal: I hope you get the translations early into rosetta, too | 12:35 |
| nosrednaekim | hey.. is someone do this for kubuntu? http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/ | 12:35 |
| nixternal | they will be there within the next week, putting them within 3+ weeks of being ahead of schedule as well | 12:36 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu has something better already in System Settings if you ask me | 12:36 |
| Riddell | nixternal: we have that tool, infact the gtk one uses our backends | 12:36 |
| nixternal | KControl has been able to do this for years | 12:37 |
| Riddell | we may not have all the features though | 12:37 |
| mhb | they don't share the backend? | 12:37 |
| nixternal | I think we have all of the features I think | 12:37 |
| Riddell | we do | 12:37 |
| mhb | so it's just that the frontend is outdated? | 12:37 |
| nixternal | everything I see on that page, I can do with System Settings Display module | 12:37 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you didn't change the icon in the .desktop file? | 12:38 |
| nixternal | argh | 12:38 |
| === nixternal does that now :) | ||
| nixternal | ooh, context2 looks good | 12:39 |
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| nixternal | I like the contents2 image better than the help_index Riddell, is that cool? | 12:40 |
| nosrednaekim | ah nice... never noticed that module! | 12:40 |
| Riddell | sure | 12:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs | 12:44 |
| nixternal | and that should be all she wrote until sometime next week | 12:44 |
| nixternal | with the pot files in the package, they will get generated automatically for rosetta correct? | 12:45 |
| nixternal | rather, rosetta will pick them up | 12:45 |
| Riddell | yes, if it's there | 12:47 |
| nixternal | cool. it is there, so we will start getting translations way ahead of time | 12:47 |
| nixternal | this is starting to kind of feel good | 12:48 |
| Riddell | uploading | 12:51 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 12:55 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks for the quick dkim-milter backport. | 02:19 |
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| jjesse | evening | 02:26 |
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| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee! | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal! | 03:21 |
| nixternal | uni keeping you busy? | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | somewhat | 03:21 |
| nixternal | I could tell :) | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | the sponsorship and stuff is | 03:22 |
| nixternal | I start back this week | 03:22 |
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| jjesse | quick question: should what i see in the KDE Menu Editor reflect what is in the K Menu? in KDE Menu Editor I see Presentation (openOffice.org Impress) but in K Menu I see OpenOffice.org - Presentation | 04:04 |
| nixternal | jjesse: not really...KMenu Editor will have more text than what you see in KMenu itself | 04:05 |
| jjesse | nixternal: ok was just thrown for a loop there | 04:05 |
| nixternal | you can set an option though if you want to display everything and have a half-window kmenu :) | 04:05 |
| jjesse | lots of changes to kde-menus-C.ent | 04:05 |
| nixternal | I did that once, and KMenu was about 6" wide :) | 04:05 |
| nixternal | cool! | 04:06 |
| nixternal | ooh, listening to Amarok, and Jono's band just started playing | 04:06 |
| jjesse | cool | 04:06 |
| jjesse | missing openoffice.org draw | 04:06 |
| jjesse | as an entity so that must me it isn't mentioned? | 04:06 |
| jjesse | even though its in the kmenu? | 04:06 |
| nixternal | ya, draw isn't in KMenu | 04:07 |
| jjesse | for me it is | 04:07 |
| nixternal | orly | 04:07 |
| nixternal | it is for me as well | 04:07 |
| jjesse | :) | 04:07 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I swore on my other machine it isn't | 04:07 |
| jjesse | hah | 04:07 |
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| jjesse | change the doc to reflect :)( | 04:08 |
| nixternal | people are also saying that on 64bit boxes you can just do 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and it works...funny thing is, it doesn't work for me at all | 04:08 |
| jjesse | that's because you are wierd | 04:08 |
| nixternal | ya | 04:08 |
| nixternal | I guess so | 04:08 |
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| jjesse | maybe w/ gutsy | 04:09 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:10 |
| nixternal | I booted up and got a crash message | 04:10 |
| nixternal | about kde-gnash | 04:10 |
| nixternal | and it isn't even installed on the system | 04:10 |
| nixternal | ahh, drawing is on the other machine as well | 04:11 |
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| nixternal | nice, HP Fax Address Book and the Fax Utility! | 04:11 |
| nixternal | that is great if it stays | 04:11 |
| jjesse | yeah i'm adding those as well | 04:12 |
| jjesse | just curious are the entities organized somehow? | 04:12 |
| nixternal | argh, people are wrong...the flashplugin thing does not install into Firefox like they say | 04:12 |
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| nixternal | good, there is a lot of movement on the Novell Bugzilla for glib breakage | 04:41 |
| nixternal | but somone posted "it happens in Kubuntu too" so I hope they don't do a "oh well, it is upstream then" and make us wait | 04:42 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | FF, UVF Thursday, anything we need updated? | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 16 09:11:43 2007 | ||
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| Tonio_ | hi there ;) | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 11:39 |
| kwwii_ | hi Tonio_ | 12:19 |
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| Tonio_ | hi kwwii_ ;) | 12:21 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: how's the new job going? | 12:22 |
| kwwii_ | oops, wife and kid are leaving without me...hold that thought, I'll be back later | 12:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_! | 12:26 |
| Riddell | ciao | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | hey Riddell :) | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | ciao :) | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry for not responding the mails, but I didn't have my computer with me there | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I presume that except for bugfuxing this is too late for kdebluetooth right ? | 12:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we uploaded the latest beta | 12:28 |
| Riddell | 6 | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | great | 12:28 |
| Riddell | I've no idea if it works or not | 12:28 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: iwj had some comments on the obexftp main inclusion report | 12:28 |
| Riddell | you should look at them and add responses | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | should do, except some bugs of course, but there are commits every day, we can provide patches easilly | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will do yes | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no time today (with my familly) but I'll respond on monday probably | 12:31 |
| Riddell | ok | 12:31 |
| Riddell | how was Roma? | 12:31 |
| Riddell | bellisimo? | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | fantastic :) | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sixtin chappel has to be seen once in our life | 12:33 |
| Riddell | did you meet the pope? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | btw all the city is very nice | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope :) | 12:33 |
| Riddell | probably for the best, my brother did and nearly killed the guy | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we mostly were interested in the antic roma | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: really ? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | benoit XVI ? | 12:34 |
| Riddell | naw, polish dude | 12:34 |
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| Tonio_ | oki | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | what happened ? | 12:34 |
| Riddell | just shook his hand a bit too viorously | 12:35 |
| Riddell | he died a few week later | 12:35 |
| Riddell | see any gladiator fights? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | or bump into Julius Caesar? | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | haha | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | well the antic (dunno if that's correct) part of roma is very impressive | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | but pompei ruins are even more | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | there you just realise that we just invented electricity and that's it | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | we also went to vesuvia etc... | 12:38 |
| Riddell | antique | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 12:38 |
| Riddell | or just "old" actually | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | so yes it was really nice vacations ;) | 12:38 |
| mhb | hello everyone, hi Tonio_ | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | hey mhb :) | 12:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: bug 127233 is pretty much triaged - all it takes is to decide whether we want either scroll smoothness or power efficiency by default | 12:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127233 in kubuntu-default-settings "Disable smooth scrolling for kopete" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127233 | 12:54 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ :) | 01:07 |
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| _StefanS_ | welcome back | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ;) | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: how are you ? | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I will not really be there for work until monday | 01:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm fine thanks :) still no child number two.. but within a week I think. We'll just talk monday :) | 01:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: do mail me if you have something I should look at | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe, great :) | 01:10 |
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| croftj | Hi, I'm trying to find a list of packages that come standard on ubutnu or kubutnu, can anyone point me there? | 01:13 |
| mhb | croftj: apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop is a good start | 01:17 |
| croftj | Thanks, I finally found it http://packages.ubuntu.com | 01:26 |
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| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: i like #1 and #2, btw | 02:21 |
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| dadchicken | Hobbsee: Did you hear that me and Dacia are gonna have a little gir? | 03:01 |
| dadchicken | girl* | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | nope, but way cool! | 03:02 |
| dadchicken | Yeah :) | 03:02 |
| dadchicken | We're super-happy. | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 03:02 |
| manchicken | Is anybody else having trouble with libmtp? | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | use a dist-upgrade | 03:04 |
| manchicken | Interesting. | 03:04 |
| manchicken | Will try that. | 03:05 |
| manchicken | Ack, I had already typed in to remove libmtp to install with libmtp6, and aptitude figured it out. | 03:05 |
| nosrednaekim | manchicken: interesting blog post BTW. | 03:06 |
| manchicken | Which one? | 03:07 |
| nosrednaekim | the one about bringing the liveCD to retailers | 03:08 |
| nosrednaekim | and the ron paul one was interesting too... but thats off topic for sure | 03:09 |
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| mc|dads | For some reason, ubuntu-server will not configure on this machine. | 03:18 |
| mc|dads | LTS even. | 03:18 |
| mc|dads | But it might just be that the CDROM drive can't handle burned discs. It is like 10 years old. | 03:18 |
| mc|dads | Kubuntu LTS works just fine though :) | 03:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: its easier just to have a number on them :) | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: :) | 03:19 |
| === _StefanS_ was out mowing the lawn,,, jeez | ||
| mc|dads | I'll be doing that in about an hour... | 03:19 |
| mc|dads | Sigh. | 03:19 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, not that interesting. | 03:20 |
| mc|dads | I don't mind yard work, but this is like the last time I'll be doing yard work on someone else's yard :) | 03:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | :) | 03:22 |
| nosrednaekim | is there anything that needs to be done for gutsy? like special testing of any apps or anything? I have all weekend. | 03:37 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: do you have a widescreen monitor? | 03:39 |
| nosrednaekim | yep | 03:39 |
| nosrednaekim | 1280x800 | 03:39 |
| === Hobbsee does, too | ||
| mhb | I do have one, too ... I need someone who doesn't :o) | 03:40 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: I have a 4:3 too.... | 03:40 |
| === Hobbsee has another machine, but no gutsy installed on it | ||
| nosrednaekim | coul probably attach it to this laptop. | 03:41 |
| mhb | bug 133294 is confirmed for wide screen, but I'm not sure how it looks like on a "normal" monitor | 03:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133294 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] Kubuntu's splash image displays badly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133294 | 03:41 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: would that be testable off a liveCD? | 03:41 |
| === Hobbsee assumes one could just try it in $vmofchoice, too | ||
| mhb | I guess so | 03:43 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: i'll test it on my brother's computer | 03:44 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 03:44 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: final question... will a tribe 3 CD work? | 03:44 |
| mhb | probably not | 03:45 |
| mhb | the artwork is quite new | 03:45 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: oh...... | 03:48 |
| nosrednaekim | hmm then I can't really test it cause I don't have a good enough connection here to update gusty to the latest version. | 03:48 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: no problem | 03:50 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: anything else? :) | 03:51 |
| nosrednaekim | is there just a package for the boot artwork, or or you have to update the kernel too? if its just artwork, I could get that. | 03:52 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: it's ksplash artwork that's problematic | 03:53 |
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| nosrednaekim | so I assume thats a separate package? | 03:53 |
| nosrednaekim | I can reboot into gutsy... | 03:54 |
| nosrednaekim | and try.... | 03:54 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: kubuntu-default-settings should be the culprit | 03:55 |
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| nosrednaekim | mhb: ok... so what was that package | 04:00 |
| nosrednaekim | ok.. I can just upgrade kubuntu-default-settings... is that a good enough test? | 04:01 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: should be | 04:01 |
| nosrednaekim | ok..i'll test. | 04:02 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: and of course, whenever you don't know what to do, there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kubuntu&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_cve.used=&field.has_no_package | 04:03 |
| nosrednaekim | what the..... | 04:03 |
| nosrednaekim | longest link i've ever seen :) | 04:03 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: a lovely URL that searches for all the unconfirmed packages with the word "kubuntu" in them | 04:03 |
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| nosrednaekim | i'd look at it but I can't browse and DL at the same time. | 04:03 |
| mhb | err, searches for all the unconfirmed bugreports of Ubuntu packages | 04:04 |
| mhb | with the word "Kubuntu" in them | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | ah..ok | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | i'll have to bookmark that | 04:04 |
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| nosrednaekim | mhb: still downloading... | 04:25 |
| nosrednaekim | wow... lots of bugs on that page :) | 04:36 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: oh.. looks crappy on my widescreen too. let me check on 1024x768... | 04:38 |
| nosrednaekim | BTW... my monitor and display config section sems to be broken.... maybe its XGL.. | 04:41 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: thanks for the info | 04:45 |
| nosrednaekim | yep.. NP... checking on 4:3 | 04:46 |
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| nosrednaekim | ATI monitor sharing isn't work right now... gotta fix that first :) | 04:51 |
| nosrednaekim | i'll test it eventually :) | 04:55 |
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| nosrednaekim | mhb: confirmed on 4:3 display | 06:20 |
| nosrednaekim | took me long enough :) | 06:20 |
| nosrednaekim | at 1280x1024 and 1024x768 | 06:21 |
| nosrednaekim | i'll reply to the bug. | 06:21 |
| mhb | okay | 06:21 |
| nosrednaekim | I like the colors though... | 06:22 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I like them too, except maybe that shadow on the bottom | 06:24 |
| nosrednaekim | looks a bit like mint or mepis... forget which one. | 06:26 |
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| nosrednaekim | mhb: do you remember that bug # off hand?I lost it and I can see it on that kubuntu bug page | 06:55 |
| nosrednaekim | *can't | 06:56 |
| ScottK | nosrednaekim: Do you mean bug 133294 | 06:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133294 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] Kubuntu's splash image displays badly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133294 | 06:58 |
| nosrednaekim | thanks.. | 06:59 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: Danimo's book is pretty good as well, especially since it shows qt designer | 07:16 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: I just wet myself reading the backlog of your brother shaking the pope's hand...my god that is funny | 08:02 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: emailed you a patch for rpm, to get kdeadm to work in lpia. | 09:10 |
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| Riddell | great, let me look Stecchino | 09:17 |
| Riddell | no | 09:17 |
| Riddell | oh, he's gone, tab completion breaks | 09:17 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: the kubuntu_33 patch in kdebase needs to be updated to point to help:/kubuntu/index instead of help:/kubuntu/system-index | 09:52 |
| nixternal | actually, help:/kubuntu would work since I created an index.html link in the main kubuntu directory | 09:53 |
| Riddell | nixternal: can you send me a debdiff? | 09:53 |
| nixternal | I have been looking at KDE base to see how it gets the user agent info as ours has changed from Kubuntu Linux to just Linux | 09:53 |
| nixternal | Riddell: sure | 09:53 |
| Riddell | user agent is a patch we have | 09:54 |
| Riddell | actually, hmm | 09:55 |
| Riddell | the configuration option --with-distribution= in kdelibs may be there too | 09:55 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase.debdiff | 09:57 |
| nixternal | I looked through the changelog in kdebase to see if there was a change made sometime in June that would have changed it..but couldn't find anything | 09:58 |
| nixternal | it happened prior to June 28th, that I do know | 09:59 |
| nixternal | I will grep kdelibs and see if something changed around that time | 09:59 |
| Riddell | it's possible we're missing a patch | 10:00 |
| Riddell | nixternal: take a look at debian's kdebase package and see if they have a patch for it we're missing | 10:01 |
| nixternal | k, let me svn up the debian repos | 10:01 |
| nixternal | have you see the latest KOffice2 by chance? It definitely has the umph appeal. Looks really good, and I think cleaner than KOffice 1 | 10:02 |
| Riddell | no, it didn't compile in the buildds | 10:03 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kvkbd failed main inclusion review because it didn't compile on ian's machine, it does fine for me and the buildds and I didn't get a response when I asked on irc so maybe you should e-mail him and ask what broke for him | 10:04 |
| nixternal | interesting | 10:06 |
| nixternal | probably because he hasn't updated pbuilder...it did have a problem initially because of broken deps in the buildd, but has worked flawlessly ever since | 10:06 |
| nixternal | actually, never had a problem on my systems, just in the buildd that one day | 10:07 |
| Riddell | I don't know if he's using a pbuilder | 10:07 |
| nixternal | ya | 10:07 |
| Riddell | I don't even know if he's using ubuntu | 10:07 |
| nixternal | heh | 10:07 |
| nixternal | who is Ian btw? | 10:07 |
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| Riddell | Ian Jackson (iwj) | 10:07 |
| nixternal | oh | 10:07 |
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| nixternal | derr | 10:07 |
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| Riddell | wrote dpkg and did policy and DPL and similar such elite things | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: last time I asked he said he was still using hoary | 10:08 |
| Riddell | well, could be one release worse I suppose :) | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | ;-) | 10:09 |
| nixternal | 44_klipper_ignore_gecko.diff :: 45_klipper_backreferences.diff :: | 10:09 |
| nixternal | 98_buildprep.diff | 10:09 |
| nixternal | those are the 3 patches that debian has that we don't have | 10:09 |
| coreymon77 | guys | 10:14 |
| coreymon77 | i need to explain to someone what kubuntu membership is | 10:14 |
| coreymon77 | is there a wiki page that does that | 10:14 |
| coreymon77 | ? | 10:14 |
| nixternal | the same one that explains Ubuntu membership | 10:15 |
| coreymon77 | which one is that again? | 10:15 |
| nixternal | there is a link to it on the Kubuntu meetings page concerning membership | 10:15 |
| nixternal | email to Ian sent! | 10:19 |
| rbrunhuber | Is there a list of missing things in kubuntu compared to ubuntu? | 10:25 |
| rbrunhuber | I just tried gutsy ubuntu-desktop and i was really kicked in the face by all those bells and whistles there. | 10:26 |
| nixternal | "all those bells and whistles"? | 10:29 |
| Riddell | rbrunhuber: no, although it might be interesting to have one made | 10:30 |
| nixternal | what would be missing? Gimp off the top of my head, and maybe games? | 10:31 |
| rbrunhuber | nixternal : windows seem to use compositing by default although i did not install the binary driver. most of the notifications are not ugly message boxes but "balloon helps" (excuse the windows term) | 10:31 |
| nixternal | ahh, because they use the notification-daemon | 10:31 |
| Riddell | fast user switching, decent compiz integraton, bullet proof X | 10:32 |
| Riddell | none of those easy in KDE | 10:32 |
| nixternal | I guess I don't understand that fast user switching, as I am easily able to switch back and forth between 'nixternal' and 'kde-devel' | 10:32 |
| Riddell | nice message boxes is down to knotify just having horrible graphics | 10:32 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ubuntu can do it on the same X server now I believe | 10:32 |
| nixternal | that is true | 10:32 |
| nixternal | ahh, where as we do it on :0 and :1 | 10:33 |
| nixternal | I get you | 10:33 |
| nixternal | I just noticed that in KMenu | 10:33 |
| rbrunhuber | There have been nice message boxes at least in kontact but ther all gone again. | 10:33 |
| nixternal | they do have different sessions running | 10:33 |
| rbrunhuber | although fast user switching was the first thing to hit me with a crash :-) | 10:34 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:34 |
| nixternal | I need to fire up vbox and take a look | 10:34 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddel: Your guess: Is kde4 the hotty that it is always promoted or will it be 4.1+? | 10:35 |
| nixternal | how do I create a menu item so that it shows up in Gnome as well? ie. kvirc shows up fine in KMenu -> Internet, but it doesn't create the menu entry in Gnome | 10:36 |
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| Riddell | rbrunhuber: kde 4 generally is a great platform, 4.0 will be pretty poor though | 10:37 |
| Riddell | nixternal: where is the .desktop file? | 10:37 |
| nixternal | data/applnk in the root directory of kvirc | 10:39 |
| Riddell | that's the old location | 10:40 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/applications/kde/ is the standard location | 10:40 |
| nixternal | I am checking the .deb to see where it gets installed | 10:40 |
| nixternal | it shows up fine in KDE, just not in Gnome | 10:40 |
| Riddell | it'll need a Catagories= line added if it doesn't have one | 10:40 |
| nixternal | interesting...it doesn't install the .desktop, but installs a menu entry instead | 10:42 |
| nixternal | rbrunhuber: are you working on a list of what is in Ubuntu compared to Kubuntu, or do you want me to do it? I have it opened to start doing a comparison | 10:47 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell : How big would be the maintainance overhead to create a kubuntu-desktop-light and ubuntu-desktop-light package, which kicks out all the dependencies on for instance k3b and kate... | 10:48 |
| rbrunhuber | nixternal, if you can mentor me a bit I'd do it | 10:48 |
| nixternal | I figure just add it to a wiki page | 10:48 |
| ScottK | rbrunhuber: Now that recommends are installed by default for meta packages, you can remove all the stuff you don't want and not have to remove kubuntu-desktop. What's the use-case for the light version. | 10:51 |
| Riddell | rbrunhuber: what's the advantage of that over kde-core or similar? | 10:51 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell : I just wanted to walk someone through a gnome problem today and it started to download gnome-games-data. Waste of bandwidth and time. | 10:52 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell : It's just a "single" entry point. Install a kubuntu-desktop* package and you get kde with different sets of applications. e.g. kubuntu-desktop: fully loaded. kubuntu-desktop-light only basics. | 10:54 |
| coreymon77 | okay everyone | 10:58 |
| coreymon77 | my email has been sent | 10:59 |
| coreymon77 | please look over it and my wiki page (the link is in the email) and deside on whether to give me membership or not | 11:00 |
| ScottK | coreymon77: I'm not sure if I'll be at the next meeting or not, but I'd give you a +1. | 11:04 |
| coreymon77 | ScottK: you a council member? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | not yet... | 11:05 |
| ScottK | No. I'm a Kubuntu member and a MOTU. | 11:05 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: well, that could be considered as a 4th approval | 11:06 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: could it? | 11:06 |
| ScottK | coreymon77: I'm not saying I vouch for you. I'm saying I think your vouching and wiki are good enough I think you should get in. | 11:06 |
| Riddell | it doesn't give much explanation | 11:06 |
| coreymon77 | ScottK: you already saw the email? | 11:07 |
| ScottK | Yes | 11:07 |
| coreymon77 | wow | 11:07 |
| coreymon77 | that was fast | 11:07 |
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| coreymon77 | ask away | 11:07 |
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| coreymon77 | ive got some free time now, so if you have any questions for me, ask away | 11:11 |
| nosrednaekim | hey coreymon77 how are you oing? | 11:12 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: good | 11:12 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: but i was talking about asking me questions about my membership application | 11:13 |
| nosrednaekim | ah ok... well I have to go. good luck with that. | 11:13 |
| nosrednaekim | haven't seen you around in while | 11:13 |
| rbrunhuber | whom should i ask to have #kubuntu+1 used as an official channel? | 11:14 |
| Riddell | is there a need? | 11:16 |
| rbrunhuber | I think so, everything is seperated in k and u why not +1? | 11:16 |
| rbrunhuber | and we are already 3 users :-) | 11:17 |
| ScottK | rbrunhuber: How many in #ubuntu+1? | 11:18 |
| ScottK | What fraction of the issues are unique to Kubuntu and what fraction common do you think? | 11:18 |
| rbrunhuber | ScottK: #ubuntu+1 one has loads of users. | 11:19 |
| Riddell | if people have issues with KDE in gutsy it may be best to ask here | 11:19 |
| nosrednaekim | 160 users, and I'd say that, just like in ubuntu, amny of the issues are common, but their solutions differ. | 11:19 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell : The topic says, to not do so. | 11:20 |
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| Riddell | rbrunhuber: to not to what? | 11:22 |
| ScottK | rbrunhuber: So if Kubuntu users with common problems start going to #kubuntu+1, are you going to be able to support them as well as #ubuntu+1? | 11:22 |
| Riddell | that's an issue for all support methods | 11:23 |
| nosrednaekim | however, since many of the users on ubuntu+1 are quite experienced, they don't need in depth gui instructions | 11:23 |
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| rbrunhuber | ScottK: No not me personally. | 11:24 |
| rbrunhuber | And i do not think that another channel splits up the community. I think we just should have this channel even if it is just a redirect sign to #ubuntu if no one listens. | 11:25 |
| rbrunhuber | Let's talk about this tomorrow again. I have to get may train now. So the #kubuntu+1 thing die at least for tonight | 11:27 |
| Riddell | quite a grilling there from nixternal :) | 11:27 |
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| rbrunhuber | night | 11:30 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 11:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: well, I felt I had to step up since the last one where you did the grilling...only learning from the mastah himself | 11:46 |
| nixternal | * In 10adduser add About Kubuntu document to desktop and remove | 11:46 |
| nixternal | restricted-manager autostart files | 11:46 |
| nixternal | that closes out that one kubuntu-meta boog | 11:46 |
| nixternal | and closed it is. | 11:49 |
| mhb | hi folks | 11:53 |
| nixternal | howdy mhb | 11:57 |
| nixternal | actually, emacs probably wasn't the best thing to have open to show the eliteness of my stock KDE Plastik theme :) | 11:58 |
| nixternal | errr | 11:58 |
| nixternal | wrong winder | 11:58 |
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