[12:18] <mhb> LongPointyStick: you're welcome ... thanks goes my irssi logs :o)
[12:34] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/
[12:34] <nixternal> woohoo!
[12:34] <nixternal> this week we should have all of the topics 100% completed, putting us almost a month ahead of schedule!!!!
[12:35] <mhb> nixternal: cool-o
[12:35] <mhb> nixternal: I hope you get the translations early into rosetta, too
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> hey.. is someone do this for kubuntu? http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/
[12:36] <nixternal> they will be there within the next week, putting them within 3+ weeks of being ahead of schedule as well
[12:36] <nixternal> Kubuntu has something better already in System Settings if you ask me
[12:36] <Riddell> nixternal: we have that tool, infact the gtk one uses our backends
[12:37] <nixternal> KControl has been able to do this for years
[12:37] <Riddell> we may not have all the features though
[12:37] <mhb> they don't share the backend?
[12:37] <nixternal> I think we have all of the features I think
[12:37] <Riddell> we do
[12:37] <mhb> so it's just that the frontend is outdated?
[12:37] <nixternal> everything I see on that page, I can do with System Settings Display module
[12:38] <Riddell> nixternal: you didn't change the icon in the .desktop file?
[12:38] <nixternal> argh
[12:39] <nixternal> ooh, context2 looks good
[12:40] <nixternal> I like the contents2 image better than the help_index Riddell, is that cool?
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> ah nice... never noticed that module!
[12:43] <Riddell> sure
[12:44] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs
[12:44] <nixternal> and that should be all she wrote until sometime next week
[12:45] <nixternal> with the pot files in the package, they will get generated automatically for rosetta correct?
[12:45] <nixternal> rather, rosetta will pick them up
[12:47] <Riddell> yes, if it's there
[12:47] <nixternal> cool. it is there, so we will start getting translations way ahead of time
[12:48] <nixternal> this is starting to kind of feel good
[12:51] <Riddell> uploading
[12:55] <nixternal> woohoo
[02:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the quick dkim-milter backport.
[02:26] <jjesse> evening
[03:21] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[03:21] <nixternal> uni keeping you busy?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> somewhat
[03:22] <nixternal> I could tell :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> the sponsorship and stuff is
[03:22] <nixternal> I start back this week
[04:04] <jjesse> quick question: should what i see in the KDE Menu Editor reflect what is in the K Menu?  in KDE Menu Editor I see Presentation (openOffice.org Impress) but in K Menu I see OpenOffice.org - Presentation
[04:05] <nixternal> jjesse: not really...KMenu Editor will have more text than what you see in KMenu itself
[04:05] <jjesse> nixternal:  ok was just  thrown for a loop there
[04:05] <nixternal> you can set an option though if you want to display everything and have a half-window kmenu :)
[04:05] <jjesse> lots of changes to kde-menus-C.ent
[04:05] <nixternal> I did that once, and KMenu was about 6" wide :)
[04:06] <nixternal> cool!
[04:06] <nixternal> ooh, listening to Amarok, and Jono's band just started playing
[04:06] <jjesse> cool
[04:06] <jjesse> missing openoffice.org draw
[04:06] <jjesse> as an entity so that must me it isn't mentioned?
[04:06] <jjesse> even though its in the kmenu?
[04:07] <nixternal> ya, draw isn't in KMenu
[04:07] <jjesse> for me it is
[04:07] <nixternal> orly
[04:07] <nixternal> it is for me as well
[04:07] <jjesse> :)
[04:07] <nixternal> hrmm, I swore on my other machine it isn't
[04:07] <jjesse> hah
[04:08] <jjesse> change the doc to reflect :)(
[04:08] <nixternal> people are also saying that on 64bit boxes you can just do 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and it works...funny thing is, it doesn't work for me at all
[04:08] <jjesse> that's because you are wierd
[04:08] <nixternal> ya
[04:08] <nixternal> I guess so
[04:09] <jjesse> maybe w/ gutsy
[04:10] <nixternal> heh
[04:10] <nixternal> I booted up and got a crash message
[04:10] <nixternal> about kde-gnash
[04:10] <nixternal> and it isn't even installed on the system
[04:11] <nixternal> ahh, drawing is on the other machine as well
[04:11] <nixternal> nice, HP Fax Address Book and the Fax Utility!
[04:11] <nixternal> that is great if it stays
[04:12] <jjesse> yeah i'm adding those as well
[04:12] <jjesse> just curious are the entities organized somehow?
[04:12] <nixternal> argh, people are wrong...the flashplugin thing does not install into Firefox like they say
[04:41] <nixternal> good, there is a lot of movement on the Novell Bugzilla for glib breakage
[04:42] <nixternal> but somone posted "it happens in Kubuntu too" so I hope they don't do a "oh well, it is upstream then" and make us wait
[11:39] <Tonio_> hi there ;)
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:19] <kwwii_> hi Tonio_
[12:21] <Tonio_> hi kwwii_ ;)
[12:22] <kwwii_> Tonio_: how's the new job going?
[12:23] <kwwii_> oops, wife and kid are leaving without me...hold that thought, I'll be back later
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_!
[12:26] <Riddell> ciao
[12:27] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> ciao :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for not responding the mails, but I didn't have my computer with me there
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I presume that except for bugfuxing this is too late for kdebluetooth right ?
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: we uploaded the latest beta
[12:28] <Riddell> 6
[12:28] <Tonio_> oki
[12:28] <Tonio_> great
[12:28] <Riddell> I've no idea if it works or not
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: iwj had some comments on the obexftp main inclusion report
[12:28] <Riddell> you should look at them and add responses
[12:28] <Tonio_> should do, except some bugs of course, but there are commits every day, we can provide patches easilly
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do yes
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: no time today (with my familly) but I'll respond on monday probably
[12:31] <Riddell> ok
[12:31] <Riddell> how was Roma?
[12:31] <Riddell> bellisimo?
[12:32] <Tonio_> fantastic :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: sixtin chappel has to be seen once in our life
[12:33] <Riddell> did you meet the pope?
[12:33] <Tonio_> btw all the city is very nice
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope :)
[12:33] <Riddell> probably for the best, my brother did and nearly killed the guy
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: we mostly were interested in the antic roma
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: really ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> benoit XVI ?
[12:34] <Riddell> naw, polish dude
[12:34] <Tonio_> oki
[12:34] <Tonio_> what happened ?
[12:35] <Riddell> just shook his hand a bit too viorously
[12:35] <Riddell> he died a few week later
[12:35] <Riddell> see any gladiator fights?
[12:36] <Riddell> or bump into Julius Caesar?
[12:36] <Tonio_> haha
[12:37] <Tonio_> well the antic (dunno if that's correct) part of roma is very impressive
[12:37] <Tonio_> but pompei ruins are even more
[12:37] <Tonio_> there you just realise that we just invented electricity and that's it
[12:38] <Tonio_> we also went to vesuvia etc...
[12:38] <Riddell> antique
[12:38] <Tonio_> okay
[12:38] <Riddell> or just "old" actually
[12:38] <Tonio_> so yes it was really nice vacations ;)
[12:41] <mhb> hello everyone, hi Tonio_
[12:41] <Tonio_> hey mhb :)
[12:54] <mhb> Riddell: bug 127233 is pretty much triaged - all it takes is to decide whether we want either scroll smoothness or power efficiency by default
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127233 in kubuntu-default-settings "Disable smooth scrolling for kopete" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127233
[01:07] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ :)
[01:08] <_StefanS_> welcome back
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ;)
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how are you ?
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I will not really be there for work until monday
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm fine thanks :) still no child number two.. but within a week I think. We'll just talk monday :)
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do mail me if you have something I should look at
[01:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe, great :)
[01:13] <croftj> Hi, I'm trying to find a list of packages that come standard on ubutnu or kubutnu, can anyone point me there?
[01:17] <mhb> croftj: apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop is a good start
[01:26] <croftj> Thanks, I finally found it http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i like #1 and #2, btw
[03:01] <dadchicken> Hobbsee: Did you hear that me and Dacia are gonna have a little gir?
[03:01] <dadchicken> girl*
[03:02] <Hobbsee> nope, but way cool!
[03:02] <dadchicken> Yeah :)
[03:02] <dadchicken> We're super-happy.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:04] <manchicken> Is anybody else having trouble with libmtp?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> use a dist-upgrade
[03:04] <manchicken> Interesting.
[03:05] <manchicken> Will try that.
[03:05] <manchicken> Ack, I had already typed in to remove libmtp to install with libmtp6, and aptitude figured it out.
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: interesting blog post BTW.
[03:07] <manchicken> Which one?
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> the one about bringing the liveCD to retailers
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> and the ron paul one was interesting too... but thats off topic for sure
[03:18] <mc|dads> For some reason, ubuntu-server will not configure on this machine.
[03:18] <mc|dads> LTS even.
[03:18] <mc|dads> But it might just be that the CDROM drive can't handle burned discs.  It is like 10 years old.
[03:18] <mc|dads> Kubuntu LTS works just fine though :)
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: its easier just to have a number on them :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: :)
[03:19] <mc|dads> I'll be doing that in about an hour...
[03:19] <mc|dads> Sigh.
[03:20] <_StefanS_> yes, not that interesting.
[03:20] <mc|dads> I don't mind yard work, but this is like the last time I'll be doing yard work on someone else's yard :)
[03:22] <_StefanS_> :)
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> is there anything that needs to be done for gutsy? like special testing of any apps or anything? I have all weekend.
[03:39] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you have a widescreen monitor?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yep
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> 1280x800
[03:40] <mhb> I do have one, too ... I need someone who doesn't :o)
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I have a 4:3 too....
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> coul probably attach it to this laptop.
[03:41] <mhb> bug 133294 is confirmed for wide screen, but I'm not sure how it looks like on a "normal" monitor
[03:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133294 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy]  Kubuntu's splash image displays badly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133294
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> mhb: would that be testable off a liveCD?
[03:43] <mhb> I guess so
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> mhb: i'll test it on my brother's computer
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> mhb: final question... will a tribe 3 CD work?
[03:45] <mhb> probably not
[03:45] <mhb> the artwork is quite new
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> mhb: oh......
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> hmm then I can't really test it cause I don't have a good enough connection here to update gusty to the latest version.
[03:50] <mhb> nosrednaekim: no problem
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: anything else? :)
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> is there just a package for the boot artwork, or or you have to update the kernel too? if its just artwork, I could get that.
[03:53] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's ksplash artwork that's problematic
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> so I assume thats a separate package?
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> I can reboot into gutsy...
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> and try....
[03:55] <mhb> nosrednaekim: kubuntu-default-settings should be the culprit
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ok... so what was that package
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> ok.. I can just upgrade kubuntu-default-settings... is that a good enough test?
[04:01] <mhb> nosrednaekim: should be
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> ok..i'll test.
[04:03] <mhb> nosrednaekim: and of course, whenever you don't know what to do, there's  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kubuntu&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_cve.used=&field.has_no_package
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> what the.....
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> longest link i've ever seen :)
[04:03] <mhb> nosrednaekim: a lovely URL that searches for all the unconfirmed packages with the word "kubuntu" in them
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> i'd look at it but I can't browse and DL at the same time.
[04:04] <mhb> err,  searches for all the unconfirmed bugreports of Ubuntu packages
[04:04] <mhb> with the word "Kubuntu" in them
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> ah..ok
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> i'll have to bookmark that
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> mhb: still downloading...
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> wow... lots of bugs on that page :)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> mhb: oh.. looks crappy on my widescreen too. let me check on 1024x768...
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> BTW... my monitor and display config section sems to be broken.... maybe its XGL..
[04:45] <mhb> nosrednaekim: thanks for the info
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> yep.. NP... checking on 4:3
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> ATI monitor sharing isn't work right now... gotta fix that first :)
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> i'll test it eventually :)
[06:20] <nosrednaekim> mhb: confirmed on 4:3 display
[06:20] <nosrednaekim> took me long enough :)
[06:21] <nosrednaekim> at 1280x1024 and 1024x768
[06:21] <nosrednaekim> i'll reply to the bug.
[06:21] <mhb> okay
[06:22] <nosrednaekim> I like the colors though...
[06:24] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I like them too, except maybe that shadow on the bottom
[06:26] <nosrednaekim> looks a bit like mint or mepis... forget which one.
[06:55] <nosrednaekim> mhb: do you remember that bug # off hand?I lost it and I can see it on that kubuntu bug page
[06:56] <nosrednaekim> *can't
[06:58] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: Do you mean bug 133294
[06:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133294 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy]  Kubuntu's splash image displays badly" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133294
[06:59] <nosrednaekim> thanks..
[07:16] <nixternal> Riddell: Danimo's book is pretty good as well, especially since it shows qt designer
[08:02] <nixternal> Riddell: I just wet myself reading the backlog of your brother shaking the pope's hand...my god that is funny
[09:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: emailed you a patch for rpm, to get kdeadm to work in lpia.
[09:17] <Riddell> great, let me look Stecchino
[09:17] <Riddell> no
[09:17] <Riddell> oh, he's gone, tab completion breaks
[09:52] <nixternal> Riddell: the kubuntu_33 patch in kdebase needs to be updated to point to help:/kubuntu/index instead of help:/kubuntu/system-index
[09:53] <nixternal> actually, help:/kubuntu would work since I created an index.html link in the main kubuntu directory
[09:53] <Riddell> nixternal: can you send me a debdiff?
[09:53] <nixternal> I have been looking at KDE base to see how it gets the user agent info as ours has changed from Kubuntu Linux to just Linux
[09:53] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[09:54] <Riddell> user agent is a patch we have
[09:55] <Riddell> actually, hmm
[09:55] <Riddell> the configuration option --with-distribution= in kdelibs may be there too
[09:57] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase.debdiff
[09:58] <nixternal> I looked through the changelog in kdebase to see if there was a change made sometime in June that would have changed it..but couldn't find anything
[09:59] <nixternal> it happened prior to June 28th, that I do know
[09:59] <nixternal> I will grep kdelibs and see if something changed around that time
[10:00] <Riddell> it's possible we're missing a patch
[10:01] <Riddell> nixternal: take a look at debian's kdebase package and see if they have a patch for it we're missing
[10:01] <nixternal> k, let me svn up the debian repos
[10:02] <nixternal> have you see the latest KOffice2 by chance? It definitely has the umph appeal. Looks really good, and I think cleaner than KOffice 1
[10:03] <Riddell> no, it didn't compile in the buildds
[10:04] <Riddell> nixternal: kvkbd failed main inclusion review because it didn't compile on ian's machine, it does fine for me and the buildds and I didn't get a response when I asked on irc so maybe you should e-mail him and ask what broke for him
[10:06] <nixternal> interesting
[10:06] <nixternal> probably because he hasn't updated pbuilder...it did have a problem initially because of broken deps in the buildd, but has worked flawlessly ever since
[10:07] <nixternal> actually, never had a problem on my systems, just in the buildd that one day
[10:07] <Riddell> I don't know if he's using a pbuilder
[10:07] <nixternal> ya
[10:07] <Riddell> I don't even know if he's using ubuntu
[10:07] <nixternal> heh
[10:07] <nixternal> who is Ian btw?
[10:07] <Riddell> Ian Jackson (iwj)
[10:07] <nixternal> oh
[10:07] <nixternal> derr
[10:08] <Riddell> wrote dpkg and did policy and DPL and similar such elite things
[10:08] <kwwii_> Riddell: last time I asked he said he was still using hoary
[10:08] <Riddell> well, could be one release worse I suppose :)
[10:09] <kwwii_> ;-)
[10:09] <nixternal> 44_klipper_ignore_gecko.diff  ::  45_klipper_backreferences.diff  ::
[10:09] <nixternal> 98_buildprep.diff
[10:09] <nixternal> those are the 3 patches that debian has that we don't have
[10:14] <coreymon77> guys
[10:14] <coreymon77> i need to explain to someone what kubuntu membership is
[10:14] <coreymon77> is there a wiki page that does that
[10:14] <coreymon77> ?
[10:15] <nixternal> the same one that explains Ubuntu membership
[10:15] <coreymon77> which one is that again?
[10:15] <nixternal> there is a link to it on the Kubuntu meetings page concerning membership
[10:19] <nixternal> email to Ian sent!
[10:25] <rbrunhuber> Is there a list of missing things in kubuntu compared to ubuntu?
[10:26] <rbrunhuber> I just tried gutsy ubuntu-desktop and i was really kicked in the face by all those bells and whistles there.
[10:29] <nixternal> "all those bells and whistles"?
[10:30] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: no, although it might be interesting to have one made
[10:31] <nixternal> what would  be missing? Gimp off the top of my head, and maybe games?
[10:31] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : windows seem to use compositing by default although i did not install the binary driver. most of the notifications are not ugly message boxes but "balloon helps" (excuse the windows term)
[10:31] <nixternal> ahh, because they use the notification-daemon
[10:32] <Riddell> fast user switching, decent compiz integraton, bullet proof X
[10:32] <Riddell> none of those easy in KDE
[10:32] <nixternal> I guess I don't understand that fast user switching, as I am easily able to switch back and forth between 'nixternal' and 'kde-devel'
[10:32] <Riddell> nice message boxes is down to knotify just having horrible graphics
[10:32] <Riddell> nixternal: ubuntu can do it on the same X server now I believe
[10:32] <nixternal> that is true
[10:33] <nixternal> ahh, where as we do it on :0 and :1
[10:33] <nixternal> I get you
[10:33] <nixternal> I just noticed that in KMenu
[10:33] <rbrunhuber> There have been nice message boxes at least in kontact but ther all gone again.
[10:33] <nixternal> they do have different sessions running
[10:34] <rbrunhuber> although fast user switching was the first thing to hit me with a crash :-)
[10:34] <nixternal> lol
[10:34] <nixternal> I need to fire up vbox and take a look
[10:35] <rbrunhuber> Riddel: Your guess: Is kde4 the hotty that it is always promoted or will it be 4.1+?
[10:36] <nixternal> how do I create a menu item so that it shows up in Gnome as well? ie. kvirc shows up fine in KMenu -> Internet, but it doesn't create the menu entry in Gnome
[10:37] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: kde 4 generally is a great platform, 4.0 will be pretty poor though
[10:37] <Riddell> nixternal: where is the .desktop file?
[10:39] <nixternal> data/applnk in the root directory of kvirc
[10:40] <Riddell> that's the old location
[10:40] <Riddell> /usr/share/applications/kde/ is the standard location
[10:40] <nixternal> I am checking the .deb to see where it gets installed
[10:40] <nixternal> it shows up fine in KDE, just not in Gnome
[10:40] <Riddell> it'll need a Catagories= line added if it doesn't have one
[10:42] <nixternal> interesting...it doesn't install the .desktop, but installs a menu entry instead
[10:47] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: are you working on a list of what is in Ubuntu compared to Kubuntu, or do you want me to do it? I have it opened to start doing a comparison
[10:48] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : How big would be the maintainance overhead to create a kubuntu-desktop-light and ubuntu-desktop-light package, which kicks out all the dependencies on for instance k3b and kate...
[10:48] <rbrunhuber> nixternal, if you can mentor me a bit I'd do it
[10:48] <nixternal> I figure just add it to a wiki page
[10:51] <ScottK> rbrunhuber: Now that recommends are installed by default for meta packages, you can remove all the stuff you don't want and not have to remove kubuntu-desktop.  What's the use-case for the light version.
[10:51] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: what's the advantage of that over kde-core or similar?
[10:52] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : I just wanted to walk someone through a gnome problem today and it started to download gnome-games-data. Waste of bandwidth and time.
[10:54] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : It's just a "single" entry point. Install a kubuntu-desktop* package and you get kde with different sets of applications. e.g. kubuntu-desktop: fully loaded. kubuntu-desktop-light only basics.
[10:58] <coreymon77> okay everyone
[10:59] <coreymon77> my email has been sent
[11:00] <coreymon77> please look over it and my wiki page (the link is in the email) and deside on whether to give me membership or not
[11:04] <ScottK> coreymon77: I'm not sure if I'll be at the next meeting or not, but I'd give you a +1.
[11:05] <coreymon77> ScottK: you a council member?
[11:05] <Riddell> not yet...
[11:05] <ScottK> No.  I'm a Kubuntu member and a MOTU.
[11:06] <coreymon77> Riddell: well, that could be considered as a 4th approval
[11:06] <coreymon77> Riddell: could it?
[11:06] <ScottK> coreymon77: I'm not saying I vouch for you.  I'm saying I think your vouching and wiki are good enough I think you should get in.
[11:06] <Riddell> it doesn't give much explanation
[11:07] <coreymon77> ScottK: you already saw the email?
[11:07] <ScottK> Yes
[11:07] <coreymon77> wow
[11:07] <coreymon77> that was fast
[11:07] <coreymon77> ask away
[11:11] <coreymon77> ive got some free time now, so if you have any questions for me, ask away
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> hey coreymon77 how are you oing?
[11:12] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: good
[11:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: but i was talking about asking me questions about my membership application
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> ah ok... well I have to go. good luck with that.
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> haven't seen you around in while
[11:14] <rbrunhuber> whom should i ask to have #kubuntu+1 used as an official channel?
[11:16] <Riddell> is there a need?
[11:16] <rbrunhuber> I think so, everything is seperated in k and u why not +1?
[11:17] <rbrunhuber> and we are already 3 users :-)
[11:18] <ScottK> rbrunhuber: How many in #ubuntu+1?
[11:18] <ScottK> What fraction of the issues are unique to Kubuntu and what fraction common do you think?
[11:19] <rbrunhuber> ScottK: #ubuntu+1 one has loads of users.
[11:19] <Riddell> if people have issues with KDE in gutsy it may be best to ask here
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> 160 users, and I'd say that, just like in ubuntu, amny of the issues are common, but their solutions differ.
[11:20] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : The topic says, to not do so.
[11:22] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: to not to what?
[11:22] <ScottK> rbrunhuber: So if Kubuntu users with common problems start going to #kubuntu+1, are you going to be able to support them as well as #ubuntu+1?
[11:23] <Riddell> that's an issue for all support methods
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> however, since many of the users on ubuntu+1 are quite experienced, they don't need in depth gui instructions
[11:24] <rbrunhuber> ScottK: No not me personally.
[11:25] <rbrunhuber> And i do not think that another channel splits up the community. I think we just should have this channel even if it is just a redirect sign to #ubuntu if no one listens.
[11:27] <rbrunhuber> Let's talk about this tomorrow again. I have to get may train now. So the #kubuntu+1 thing die at least for tonight
[11:27] <Riddell> quite a grilling there from nixternal :)
[11:30] <rbrunhuber> night
[11:45] <nixternal> hehe
[11:46] <nixternal> Riddell: well, I felt I had to step up since the last one where you did the grilling...only learning from the mastah himself
[11:46] <nixternal>  * In 10adduser add About Kubuntu document to desktop and remove
[11:46] <nixternal>   restricted-manager autostart files
[11:46] <nixternal> that closes out that one kubuntu-meta boog
[11:49] <nixternal> and closed it is.
[11:53] <mhb> hi folks
[11:57] <nixternal> howdy mhb
[11:58] <nixternal> actually, emacs probably wasn't the best thing to have open to show the eliteness of my stock KDE Plastik theme :)
[11:58] <nixternal> errr
[11:58] <nixternal> wrong winder