[12:59] <fsckr> when running gutsy and compiz-fusion how much memory does it use up for you guys?  Mines 17.4MB
[01:07] <jussi01> fsckr: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu-effects
[01:38] <Instabin> I is there a package for google earth?
[01:40] <jussi01> Instabin: I dont think so
[01:42] <Instabin> lol I just got an update and the only 2 things in there
[01:42] <Instabin> command-not-found and command-not-found-data
[01:42] <Instabin> lol
[01:48] <kiba> I am having problem with  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:50] <soul9> and what is the problem?
[01:50] <kiba> it doesn't install and keep all the other packages from upgrading
[01:50] <soul9> what is the error?
[01:50] <soul9> are you using gutsy?
[01:50] <kiba> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:50] <kiba> sould9: yes
[01:50] <kiba> it been like that for days
[01:50] <kiba> now
[01:51] <kiba> I am unable to upgrade my system
[01:51] <soul9> paste the whole error to
[01:51] <soul9> !paste > kiba
[01:51] <soul9> !paste
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[01:52] <kiba> working on it..
[01:53] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34130/
[01:58] <soul9> kiba, so you'll need to try and edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst
[01:59] <soul9> but I'm not sure it'll work, as I think those are always overwritten
[01:59] <soul9> worth a try tho
[01:59] <soul9> can you paste that file to the same place
[02:02] <kiba> got to go
[02:36] <Acanar> shouldn't "sudo update-manager -c -d" give me the option to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon?
[02:37] <muelli> where can I actually set the number of workspaces?
[02:40] <Acanar> What is the correct way to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon? I've read about changing "feisty" to "gibbon" in /etc/apt/sources.list but i'm not sure thats the right way to do it.
[02:49] <muelli> Acanar: the update-manager should do the trick
[02:49] <muelli> update-manager -d -c or the like
[02:49] <crdlb> Acanar, it's "feisty fawn" and "gutsy gibbon"
[02:49] <crdlb> so if you were going to do it manually, you'd put "gutsy"
[02:50] <Acanar> i'm trying it (sudo update-manager -c -d) and I get the same window as if I run update-manager with no flags. it says I don't have any updates and doesn't say anything about gutsy gibbon
[02:52] <Acanar> am I correct in assuming the update-manager method would be safer than manualy changing my sources.list?
[02:52] <muelli> well Acanar. more or less. I think it doesn't do anything else though...
[02:54] <Acanar> does it mean anything that my terminal says "current dist not found in meta-release file" in my terminal? I think I'll just download tribe 4 and reinstall. This is a new install of feisty anyway
[03:06] <kiba> hello
[03:07] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34130/
[03:11] <kiba> if anybody can help me, please respond..
[03:29] <CyberSlug> Hello everyone! In my ubuntu gutsy, after upgrading my system a while ago (cannot exactly remember how long now - but the current package lists have not fixed it), none of my USB devices automount
[03:29] <Jordan_U> kiba, Could you pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst
[03:29] <CyberSlug> any ideas?
[03:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, And have you filed a bug yet, or checked if one has already been filed?
[03:31] <kiba> no
[03:31] <Jordan_U> kiba, Please do
[03:31] <kiba> report a bug :/
[03:32] <Jordan_U> kiba, Check first, but yes
[03:33] <Hobbsee> oh, meh
[03:33] <CyberSlug> Has anyone else experienced my problem? There is a bug filed in launchpad, but there does not seem to be much response there, and I have not heard much from anyone else about it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> kiba: can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst ?
[03:33] <kiba> I am
[03:33] <kiba> !paste
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[03:33] <kiba> !paste > kiba
[03:34] <Jordan_U> kiba, Looks like a bug has already been filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[03:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:35] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34135/
[03:36] <kiba> any workaround?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> kiba: fix the postinst.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> easy
[03:41] <kiba> uh how?
[03:41] <kiba> I am not familiar with the syntax
[03:43] <Hobbsee> the bash doesnt validate
[03:43] <Hobbsee> sorry, dash
[03:44] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Shame on the Ubuntu devs having a Bashism
[03:45] <Jordan_U> Unless that's completely upstream, in which case shame on upstream / Debian
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: doesnt look like a bashism to me
[03:46] <Hobbsee> but that shell script...i dont know enough shell to fix it
[03:46] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Oh, I havn't actually looked at it, I assumed that is what you meant
[03:47] <Hobbsee> kiba: oh, read the bottom of the bug
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it's fixed now
[03:47] <kiba> just upgrade now?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> you'll need to remove it manually
[03:48] <kiba> ok
[03:48] <kiba> removing the postinstall thingie
[03:48] <Hobbsee> where "it' is the package,
[03:49] <kiba> did I do something just bad right now?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> if you followed the steps told in the bug report, no
[03:49] <Hobbsee> if you just removed the postinst, and didnt follow the instructions in the bug report...yes.
[03:50] <kiba> yes
[03:50] <kiba> I did
[03:50] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:51] <kiba> cool?
[03:51] <kiba> not so cool man!
[03:52] <Jordan_U> kiba, Did you follow the instructions or did you remove the file?
[03:52] <kiba> just remove the file
[03:52] <Hobbsee> why?
[03:53] <ameyer> Hobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ameyer: indeed.  which is useless.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> particularly if one wants more help
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:52]  <kiba> just remove the file
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:52]  <Hobbsee> why?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:53]  * Hobbsee notes that when given an "either or" question, the correct answer is NOT yes.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:53]  <ameyer> Hobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:54]  <Hobbsee> ameyer: indeed.  which is useless.
[03:55] <ameyer> yeah, it is
[03:56] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[03:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[03:56] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Removing the file will probably work also, all the script does is run update-alternatives, the rest isn't needed if you do that manually
[03:56] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Though he should probably put it back as per the bug report anyways
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: "if"
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: the "if you do that manually" part is the important part there
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: your'e right, whether the postinst is there or not wont matter for the next upgrade, as the new package will just add the postinst again
[03:59] <Jordan_U> kiba_, Re-make the file from your paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34135/ then follow the fix in the comments of the bug report
[04:01] <kiba_> link to bug report
[04:02] <kiba_> please..
[04:02] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[04:05] <kiba_> thanks dude
[04:06] <kiba_> fixed already eh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:06] <Hobbsee> was fixed on teh 12th
[04:09] <kiba_> for several days...
[04:17] <kiba_> hmm
[04:17] <kiba_> the instruction for it is rusty
[04:18] <kiba_> then there also the issue of an unmet depedency :(
[04:22] <Hobbsee> which one?
[04:26] <kiba_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:27] <kiba_> that why I shouldn't run experimental software
[04:27] <shirish> kiba_: I was going to say the same thing, good I'm not the only one way who is having issues with the upgrade
[04:27] <shirish> libmpt6 not being able to be installed hence rythmbox is not configured properly
[04:28] <kiba_> testers make life easier for the rest of us
[04:28] <databuddy> lol
[04:28] <kiba_> ?
[04:28] <databuddy> thats also why we run multiple packages that do any given task~!
[04:28] <databuddy> if rythmbox is not treating you right try quod libet
[04:28] <databuddy> if you dont like that check out listen
[04:28] <databuddy> if not that amarock might do it for you
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kiba_: well, yes...
[04:29] <databuddy> and as a last resort there is always banshee :>
[04:29] <shirish> didn't know there is/was a package called quod libet
[04:29] <databuddy> [plus thats why i have seperate feisty and gutsy installs :>] 
[04:29] <kiba_> lunchpad is not Free software
[04:29] <kiba_> I am disappointed
[04:29] <databuddy> btw Hobbsee if ppl hollah about firefox bugs make sure they are on default theme.
[04:29] <databuddy> and i mean ubuntu default theme not firefox's
[04:29] <databuddy> lol
[04:29] <shirish> kiba_: A part of it had recently been made open source
[04:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, But neither is sourceforge :)
[04:30] <kiba_> right
[04:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, And they do plan on making it open source
[04:30] <kiba_> someday open source will lost its meaning as it become marketingspeak
[04:31] <kiba_> s/lost/lose
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: if you're not wanting breakage, you shouldnt be running gutsy yet
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: besidse, i've fixed the libmtp stuff
[04:31] <kiba_> Hobbsee: breakage is part of life for experimental softwares
[04:31] <Hobbsee> shirish: uh?  which part?
[04:31] <kiba_> I want to run the latest and greatest
[04:31] <Jordan_U> kiba, Try Archlinux :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: indeed, which is why you need to be able to follow bug reports, and instructions on fixing things
[04:32] <databuddy> kiba: how big is your hdd? actually whats you partition setup like?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kiba_: oh, and to not say things like "there is an unmet dependancy".
[04:32] <shirish> Hobbsee: hang on, it was on announcements, about a month back, if needed can google it & let you guys know
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kiba_: seeing as there are 102 packages not installable due to them.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: oh, not landscape, the other one
[04:33] <kiba_> I run Debian unstable for a long time
[04:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, i remember which one you mean
[04:33] <Jordan_U> shirish, It was CSCVS
[04:33] <kiba_> every once in a while, someone put a wench into my system
[04:33] <kiba_> it was not fun but I don't want to run old softwares
[04:33] <shirish> Hobsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced
[04:34] <Hobbsee> shirish: ah yes, that's the one
[04:34] <Hobbsee> shirish: and tab is your friend
[04:34] <Jordan_U> kiba, Have you tried a distro with rolling releases?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> like gentoo?
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Or Archlinux <3
[04:35] <Jordan_U> nosrednaekim, But yes
[04:36] <shirish> Hobbsee: when did you fix the libmpt6 stuff?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> shirish: about an hour ago?
[04:37] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, then its gonna take time to come out to the various mirrors I guess
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, couple of hours
[04:38] <Hobbsee> you can just force overwrite it, though
[04:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: nah, I would wait for it
[04:56] <Assid> vrv
[04:56] <Assid> brb
[05:00] <|Assid|> back
[05:02] <Assid> okay
[05:02] <Assid> so
[05:02] <Assid> anyone got any updates on how to print on gutsy?
[05:02] <Assid> cups doesnt seem to like mr
[05:02] <Assid> me
[05:04] <shirish> Assid: there is something called system-config-printer,  have you installed it? And did you update it/upgrade it, there have been some updates couple of hrs. back also.
[05:05] <shirish> Assid: while I don't have access to a printer atm, there is a spec. which I could give a re-direct you so you know what's going on
[05:05] <Assid> hrmm k.. one sec.. lemme update adept
[05:05] <Assid> lets see what it says
[05:05] <Assid> wish i checked it earlier.. now my line is only 256kbit
[05:07] <shirish> Assid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter that has all the blueprints on printing
[05:07] <shirish> Assid: he is the main developer/maintainer who does all printing stuff (I guess) at ubuntu atleast on gutsy
[05:08] <Assid> hrmm k
[05:08] <Assid> kiba: what installation?
[05:09] <kiba_> my linux distro
[05:09] <Assid> hrmm
[05:09] <Assid> k
[05:09] <shirish> Assid: I'm going off to do my daily business, but if you are new here, I would suggest you look at the blueprint, there would be link to the wiki where each of the idea behind it is explained in greater detail so you know how each component works with another. If you still have some issues, hang around here, somebody would guide you for sure.
[05:09] <kiba_> which managed to catch bugs from gusty update
[05:09] <kiba_> gnash problems and stuff
[05:09] <kiba_> also unmet depeendency stuff :(
[05:10] <shirish> kiba_: both are old news, there is a thread in ubuntu forums, look at development corner about gnash issues
[05:10] <Assid> shirish: why would i need the blueprints?
[05:10] <shirish> Assid: there has been some changes in how things work, I don't claim to understand or haven't tried it but do know some changes have happened.
[05:11] <Assid> one sec.. im gonna try and see if my 2mbit account is still active so i can quickly update
[05:11] <Assid> shirish: ok.. will see what i cna get .. thanks
[05:11] <kiba_> shirish: but I don't follow news
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah... use IRC chat logs ;)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> they are more up to date, yes
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mailing list posts on development lists arent bad either
[05:21] <Hobbsee> gutsy-changes is also useful
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> and of course bug reports...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> true
[05:32] <konam> is that true that compizfusion will not be default on gutsy? I just read it this morning. I know that you guys want to get into the default-3D-desktop bandwagon but compizfusion is not ready yet. Is not our fault, is the fault of the hardware manufacturers and their close source drivers/specifications. If compiz is not ready we don't have a reason to ship it, not by default at least. If this move turn out to be wrong it will tarnish the ubuntu nam
[05:32] <konam> e and just for a 'whim' like this. my 2 cents.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> see the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:39] <konam> Hobbsee I just wanted to give my opinion, I wasn't expecting an answer
[05:57] <masterloki> Hobbsee, how bad would it be to let libmtp6 overwrite that /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> masterloki: not at all, i dont think
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[10:48] <ameyer> haha, <3 wikipedia truthyness...  apparently the first Ubuntu release based on Etch will have SELinux...
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[11:06] <jscinoz> eq any idea where i can get the source for the uvcvideo module?
[11:06] <jscinoz> ti have apatch that should make it work on santarosa
[11:15] <jscinoz> :(
[11:20] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: the kernel?
[11:21] <jscinoz> not the whole thing just the module
[11:21] <jscinoz> anyways ill be back later gtg dinner
[11:22] <jscinoz> thanks for all the help
[11:22] <Eq|laptop> you'd need to get the kernel source
[11:23] <Eq|laptop> unless it's a 3rd party module, which is unlikely
[11:27] <Do``> hm
[11:28] <Do``> azureus freezes completely when i try adding a new torrent to it
[11:28] <Do``> has anyone seen this in gusty?
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont use azureus
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> do you get any errer messages ?
[11:30] <pvandewyngaerde> do you see anything in log files ?
[11:32] <Do``> i dont see any error messages
[11:32] <Do``> and i dont know where to look for the log files
[11:32] <Do``> i just know that whatever way i try loading a new torrent file, it freezes permanently
[11:33] <Do``> then i restart it, and it's back to normal
[11:37] <jscinoz> azures gives me some trouble on gutsy too
[11:37] <jscinoz> double clicking a torrent to see more info about it crashes it
[11:38] <pvandewyngaerde> i have problems with slow with slow non responsive gnome-games on kubuntu
[11:40] <Lappy> how can i install the restricted-modules-2.6.22.3 ?
[11:46] <masterloki> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules', which is also in package libmtp5
[11:47] <masterloki> is there a fix for this
[11:47] <masterloki> or how do I rcover libmtp4
[11:50] <elmargol> is tribe 5 delayed?
[11:50] <Sebastian> masterloki: I used dpkg to remove libmtp5 and then the upgrade worked.
[11:50] <pvandewyngaerde> masterloki:  i removed 5, and installed 6
[11:52] <masterloki> is there A howto that I can follow on how to remove it
[11:53] <kakaruto> is it true that compiz is going to be implemented in gutsy?
[11:56] <finalbeta> !schedule
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[11:58] <masterloki> thanks <Sebastian & <pvandewyngaerde that work out I forgot that I can remove packages from synaptic I am still new to unbuntu
[12:07] <nikolam> Does Ooo on gutsy doesn`t work on you as it on mine x86-64 installation?
[12:08] <pvandewyngaerde> i think you need to install openoffice.org-gnome
[12:08] <nikolam> will check it out. Thanks.
[12:11] <nikolam> Nope, no change Ooo still dont start
[12:11] <pvandewyngaerde> do you get an error message ?
[12:12] <nikolam> ** (process:7623): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[12:13] <nikolam> when I start oowiter from console
[12:16] <pvandewyngaerde> nikolam:  could it be this bug ? http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=80539
[12:16] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 80539 in framework "bad gtk initialization causes hang on glib 2.13.x gtk 2.11.x" [Defect,Closed: worksforme] 
[12:18] <twosouls82> what changed in the font setup (from Feisty to Gutsy)? My fonts look horrible... subpixel rendering is turned on nowadays?
[12:18] <nikolam> I duuno, I am runing fresh updated tribe3 xubuntu, Ooo dont start
[12:19] <nikolam> It seem it is that bug and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/127944
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 
[12:19] <nikolam> OK :)
[12:21] <twosouls82> nikolam: on the page of the bug report seems to be a solution to your problem too
[12:21] <twosouls82> +there =)
[12:21] <nikolam> Ok, i am happy enough that Bug exists.
[12:22] <nikolam> Thank you!
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> yeah OOo wont start for me either, I posted a bug update a few days ago
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> its been that way now and started just before tribe 3
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> s/way/way for a few weeks/
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> Konqueror still crashes on flash sites too
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> ff is fine
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> with now and again crashes that seem to be related to java/flash heavy web sites
[01:00] <Linux_Galore> ktorrent crashes when you try clear a download after it is complete if you have a few downloads running
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> hardware though seems fine accept glx wont load for me for some stupid reason so no 3D
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> this is on stock a stock intel machine with a nvidia card
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> s/stock//
[01:04] <Do``> those bugs you listed seem pretty common
[01:04] <Do``> my ooo wont start either
[01:04] <Do``> my opera freezese all the time with flash content (which after the freeze wont even display)
[01:04] <Do``> and azureus freezes permanently when trying to add a torrent file
[01:04] <Do``> so java and flash have serious problems
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> I noticed though the shutdown last night was ultra fast, I though something had broken
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[01:08] <Linux_Galore> so I tried it again, yep it was that fast
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> the startup is faster than windows XP for me (even makes OSX look a bit slow)
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> Do``: yeah Java/Flash is a pain
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> adept has stopped crashing
[01:12] <twosouls82> I just read that Opera seems to have the same issue with flash as Konqueror is having
[01:12] <Do``> well opera doesnt crash per say
[01:13] <Do``> but every embedded flash object causes a 30-40 second freeze
[01:13] <Do``> and after that it's replaced by a grey box
[01:13] <twosouls82> Konqi keeps looping on something :(
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> its not konqueror per se its the plugin manager, check "top" (or ksysguard) you will see what I mean
[01:15] <twosouls82> wtf 6 instances of it
[01:28] <Happu> is anyone experiensing problems with samsung DVD-RW driver on gusty?
[01:28] <Happu> mine doesn't mount
[01:47] <Assid> wtf
[01:47] <Assid> firefox crrashing like crazy
[01:48] <dennda> are these bold fonts normal?
[01:49] <dennda> large fonts, tiny icons
[01:50] <jscinoz> hey guys
[01:51] <jscinoz> trying to get my webcam working under gutsy, and i need to install a patched uvcvideo, i've installed it but if i modprobe uvcvideo i get "FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/ubuntu/media/usbvideo/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" and dmesg returns "uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32" what should i do?
[01:54] <dennda> err gdm doesn't accept TAB any longer ;)
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: that didn't work for my audio :(
[02:02] <jscinoz> hmm
[02:02] <jscinoz> maybe the soundcards different
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> yeah
[02:02] <jscinoz> but it worked on my santa rosa laptop
[02:02] <dennda> Does gutsy utilize compiz fusion by default? (or is it normal compiz / beryl?)
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> there seem to be 4-6 different chipsets used for audio on the santa rosa boards
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> yes.
[02:03] <Eq|laptop> have you done depmod -a since you replaced the uvcvideo module jscinoz?
[02:03] <jscinoz> no letm e do one now
[02:03] <dennda> Eq|laptop: Was your "yes." intended to answer my question?
[02:03] <jscinoz> blast your logic
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> dennda: yes.
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: working?
[02:04] <jscinoz> dennda, Yes, compiz fusion is the default
[02:04] <dennda> Eq|laptop: thanks
[02:04] <jscinoz> well the driver installed gotta test
[02:04] <dennda> Where's the compiz-fusion settings dialog?
[02:04] <dennda> What was it's package name?
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> you have to install it..
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> do a search for compiz
[02:04] <jscinoz> god damnit
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> if you're using gnome, you can get some basic settings from GLDesktop
[02:04] <jscinoz> still doesnt work even with patched driver
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> far easier to use than the full settings manager
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> but doesn't do as much
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> heh
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> typical mate
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> right, i'm going to play some guild wars.
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> bbl
[02:05] <dennda> Eq|laptop: doesn't find any "settings manager"
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> dennda: do a search for compiz - it's there
[02:05] <dennda> ah now it doeas
[02:05] <dennda> sorry for the mezz
[02:05] <dennda> mess
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> heh
[02:21] <Asd> Hi
[02:21] <Asd> How do i get ubuntu 7.10?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ...
[02:22] <Asd> Sorry
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Asd: if you have to ask, you shouldnt be running it.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Asd: 7.10 doesnt exist yet
[02:23] <Asd> I have downloaded and installed ubuntu
[02:23] <Asd> I want to get the newest package
[02:23] <runge> Hobbsee, that makes me a bit hesitatnt to ask about my problem when trying to upgrade
[02:23] <Asd> In Debian i just change it to unstable
[02:23] <runge> I get Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Asd: it breaks.  you dont want to run it
[02:23] <Hobbsee> runge: disable that repo, it hasnt been updated for gutsy yet
[02:23] <IdleOne> Asd: 7.10 is not ready to be used
[02:23] <Asd> I just want the newest packages...
[02:23] <runge> Hobbsee, ah thanks!
[02:23] <Hobbsee> runge: no problem
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Asd: and the breakage?
[02:24] <IdleOne> Asd: if youare running 7.04 you have the newest packages
[02:24] <Asd> Hmm ok
[02:24] <runge> Hobbsee, being a tad filosofical, do one not need lots of alfa and beta testing to get a good product?
[02:25] <IdleOne> Asd:  7.10 will be released in 2 months wait till it is ready
[02:25] <Jordan_U> runge, But those testers need to know what they are getting into, and be willing and able to report bugs
[02:25] <Asd> Good..
[02:25] <Hobbsee> runge: one does, but one also needs those people testing to file good bugs about it, and not require a huge lot of support (which will clog up other resources), and stop those users providing support, from filing bugs.
[02:26] <runge> yeah I guess you both have good points
[02:26] <Hobbsee> runge: as in, if we have 40 bugs about the same package not installing, clearly our testing audience is dodgy, and should learn to search first.
[02:26] <IdleOne> runge: yes but you want beta testers who understand the risk of running a "Unstable" OS
[02:26] <Hobbsee> runge: incidently, a few people had to go and mark all of those bugs as dupes, which was a waste of time.
[02:26] <Jordan_U> Is it now basically set in stone that no feature freeze exception will be made for Xorg 7.3 ?
[02:27] <runge> hopefully I will be of more good then harm. though no promises..
[02:27] <phoenix_> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=167
[02:27] <phoenix_> is the a newer version of this driver ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: no.  but most of the stuff will be in by then
[02:27] <elkbuntu> phoenix_, you'll have to explain your problem again, and try to put it all on one line this time
[02:28] <phoenix_> via vt8251 sata chipset not detected
[02:28] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Xorg 7.3 was what I was most looking foreword to in Gutsy, it would be a shame not to ship with it
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i would expect we do
[02:29] <runge> Jordan_U,  any big new thing in xorg 7.3?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> when it's released
[02:29] <phoenix_> i load alternate install cd and it gets to detect the hdd .. says none found and i cant find the correct feisty driver elkbuntu
[02:29] <phoenix_> found a dapper one but diff kernel >> link above
[02:29] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: would this happen to be a daily cd?
[02:29] <phoenix_> nop
[02:29] <phoenix_> alternate feisty
[02:29] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3
[02:30] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: then you're in the wrong channel.  #ubuntu
[02:30] <Hobbsee> this is *gutsy* only
[02:30] <phoenix_> i wanne try gutsy
[02:30] <phoenix_> but same problem
[02:30] <Jordan_U> runge, Much less reliance on xorg.conf, support for hotplugging monitors.
[02:30] <runge> Jordan_U, ah nothing for me then
[02:32] <Jordan_U> runge, Honestly not for me either, but multi monitor support is a deal breaker for many people
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i think there might be some testing packages out, actually
[02:32] <runge> Jordan_U, I have both my monitor and my lcd-tv connected and working
[02:32] <runge> though, you are right, I needed some xconfig.org editing
[02:33] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, "2007-08-17 bryce: as discussed at the developer meeting yesterday, we're going to opt for leaving xserver 1.4 for Gutsy+1. In checking with some upstream xorg developers, they concur this is probably the wise approach given our release schedule."
[02:33] <phoenix_> Hobbsee,  wher can i find the daily cd ?
[02:33] <phoenix_> and if it allso happens to the daily cd can seek a way to have the driver added ?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: ahhh....i havent read that yet.  i knew that they were pushing for it
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !logs
[02:34] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[02:34] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: the daily cd is known broken
[02:34] <whazilla> bummer
[02:35] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Not sure why the series goal is still listed as Gutsy though
[02:35] <whazilla> so how do i get latest gutsy ?
[02:35] <whazilla> if daily cd is broken ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> whazilla: use tribe 4
[02:35] <whazilla> kool
[02:36] <Jordan_U> whazilla, That is what tribes are for :)
[02:36] <whazilla> :)
[02:36] <whazilla> i'll download and try tomorrow
[02:36] <whazilla> im afk
[02:36] <whazilla> catch u tomorrow
[02:36] <whazilla> bytehway im phoenix
[02:36] <Assid> hey Hobbsee
[02:37] <phoenix_> bye
[02:37] <whazilla> ttyl
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> so we're not going to have 7.3 in this release?
[02:55] <runge> and there firefox crashed (during upgrade). ah the great feeling of being on the edge. Must be how pirates were sailing uncharted territories in the dark
[02:56] <finalbeta> yes... how brave you are...
[02:56] <shirish> guys can anybody found about a screen reader application called ogra
[02:56] <shirish> supposed to be about accessibility
[02:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: orca.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: ogra is a person
[02:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: oops, its orca is it, sorry didn't mean to offend anybody
[02:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: just heard about it recently
[02:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:00] <runge> finalbeta, one tries to make life at lest sound more interesting then it is. every bit helps!
[03:00] <Jordan_U> I am glad there isn't any package called ogra, it would be a PITA to search for :)
[03:00] <yotux> Is it dangerous to use the same home partion for two different verisions of ubuntu?
[03:01] <Jordan_U> yotux, If one of those versions is Gutsy it could corrupt your preferences files ( or less likely your data )
[03:02] <shirish> Jordan_U: lol, I have heard of more dangerous, naughty packages having names, but don't ask me to recall them now, as I'm really tired. Been attending a local unconference the whole day.
[03:02] <yotux> Jordan_U that is what I was afraid you where going to say
[03:03] <Jordan_U> yotux, You are *probably* safe as long as you use a different user for each
[03:03] <Assid> hrmm
[03:04] <Assid> firefox is pretty unstable :(
[03:04] <Jordan_U> I wouldn't expect any bugs to just start randomly deleting files but there is always the possibility
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Assid, Try running it in safe mode and see if you still have stability issues
[03:04] <Assid> Jordan_U: randomly closes.. cant say
[03:05] <yotux> Jordan_U: I wi;; try to get setup a small IMAP server and then the emails that I need access to are not in danger
[03:05] <Jordan_U> Assid, run "firefox -safe-mode and file a bug with any output you see when it crashes
[03:05] <yotux> EMail is the important part to me.
[03:05] <Assid> Jordan_U: ive filed a few bugs already
[03:06] <Assid> but with the auto crash thing
[03:07] <Jordan_U> Assid, It is best to file bugs while running in safe mode, that way the developers can rule out third party plugins as causing the problem
[03:07] <Assid> its something to do with the raise event
[03:08] <kiba> hmm
[03:09] <Assid> one of these days.. im gonan get that mac bar dock.. and make my machine look like a mac
[03:09] <Assid> too bad i gotta return this geforce 6600GT card :(
[03:09] <Assid> nosrednaekim: you did?
[03:10] <Assid> nosrednaekim: kooldock ?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Assid: yeah, get the package "kwin-baghira"
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Assid: nah.. didn't do a dock yet.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> I just use the KDE one
[03:10] <Assid> doesnt giv that effect then
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:17] <Assid> lemme know when you get a nice dock
[03:17] <Assid> kooldock didnt do it for me
[03:18] <shirish> Assid: I would suggest you use #ubuntu-mozillateam , they are pretty active on firefox issues
[03:20] <Jordan_U> Assid, AWM is nice
[03:20] <Assid> Jordan_U: avant ?
[03:20] <Jordan_U> *AWN
[03:20] <Jordan_U> Assid, Yes
[03:20] <Assid> not part of the respository yet.. and last time i tried to compile i had some issues
[03:21] <Jordan_U> Assid, Did you have all of the dependencies?
[03:21] <Assid> yes
[03:21] <Assid> i think i did
[03:21] <Assid> hold im gonna retry
[03:23] <Assid> cant run either
[03:23] <Assid> neither the preferances nor app
[03:23] <Assid> assid@intelbox:~$ avant-window-navigator
[03:23] <Assid> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:28] <Assid> too bad kde4 wont be in gutsy :(
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> it will be.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> just not by default
[03:29] <Assid> hrmm backports
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> no... it'll be in the universe.
[03:30] <Assid> really ?
[03:30] <Assid> hrmm.. nice
[03:32] <Assid> still in beta1
[03:32] <Assid> i wonder if its time to try it out..
[03:33] <Assid> hey i can run kde3 and 4 side by side right ?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> yep
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> but its 1, not easy... and 2, not stable
[03:33] <shirish> guys what's is the meaning of A in the context below, I know the i stands for installed
[03:33] <shirish> i A libxi-dev
[03:34] <shirish> A is for activate or something else?
[03:34] <Assid> alrite time to hit the gym
[03:35] <Assid> laters
[03:37] <shirish> Hobbsee: can you tell me what's the meaning of A in the context below, I know i=installed
[03:37] <shirish> i A libxi-dev
[03:38] <Hobbsee> no
[03:38] <Hobbsee> shirish: only that it's the letter before B
[03:38] <Hobbsee> shirish: you dont seem to have mentioned which program it's in, or anything like that.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> although i'd hazard a guess at aptitude, in which case, i'd suggest you check aptitude's manpage
[03:41] <shirish> Hobbsee: yup, it was of aptitude, and looking at the man page solved the issue.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:02] <DaveTheAve> Hello, I'm getting a little upset with my system. Every time I attempt to load Thunderbird, it attempts to load than never shows up. It worked yesteday, and I have done numerous restarts and updated the system.
[04:03] <DaveTheAve> Also I have noticed that other applications like Komodo, Pidgin, etc. Are failing to load as well.
[04:06] <dennda> Does "Selection and Grouping of Windows" of Compiz Fusion not work in Gutsy? (works on the laptop with feisty, not on the desktop with gutsy)
[04:17] <dennda> forget what i said
[04:21] <DaveTheAve> I'm still looking for help
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> DaveTheAve: ehat error are you getting?
[04:22] <DaveTheAve> let me get a pastbin
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> !oastebin
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oastebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[04:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:23] <DaveTheAve> http://pastebin.ca/662239
[04:26] <DaveTheAve> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.ca/662239
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> k
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> DaveTheAve: hmmm interesting. looks like a bug.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> see if there is a bug report already.. or go to #thunderbird... may be a thunderbird bug
[04:34] <DaveTheAve> Thank you
[04:34] <DaveTheAve> ... #thunderbird isn't there
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> hmm. go to #mozilla
[04:39] <DaveTheAve> thanks
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> or maybe even #firefox and ask where the thunderbird help is
[04:41] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim:
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> oh, meh, he's left
[04:41] <Hobbsee> was going to say that thunderbird, and mozilla* help is on irc.mozilla.org
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> ah!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> the thunderbird channel is still quiet, but does exist.
[05:14] <cables> I read somewhere that X.org 7.3 was delayed until gutsy+1... is this true?
[05:14] <foxiness> i dont know :) "just a response"
[05:21] <moogman> Hi guys, I'm getting a problem.. HAL isn't starting on boot, but if I restart dbus after login, HAL restarts and all works fine. Any ideas? Could someone also ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}
[05:21] <moogman> I have S12hal, S12dbus, wondering if that's the problem
[05:22] <moogman> I upgraded Feisty->Gutsy earlier FWIW.
[05:23] <Do``> i read on digg that xorg is supposed to have a gui for the testers of gusty
[05:23] <Do``> where can i find it?
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> Anyone know what package contains gtk-window-decorator
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> dpkg-query -S gtk-window-decorator ....
[05:24] <moogman> bluefoxicy: apt-cache search gtk-window-decorator
[05:25] <moogman> =libdecoration0
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> ah, cool
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> moogman:  it's not installed by default and desktop effects breaks without it.
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> k, it is installed
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> however, it doesn't supply that file.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy>  /usr/lib/libdecoration.so.0.0.0 and a bunch of documentation is all it supplies.
[05:26] <geser> compiz-gnome contains gtk-window-decorator
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> alright.  THAT'S not installed :)
[05:27] <geser> if you want compiz install also compiz
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> geser:  what normally controls the desktop effects settings?
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> because by default it seems broken
[05:28] <geser> iirc compiz (a wrapper) checks if compiz can be run or not
[05:28] <moogman> Could anyone help out by pasting the output of: ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> k
[05:29] <geser> moogman: both have S12
[05:29] <bluefoxicy> hm.  Wobbly windows is gone
[05:30] <bluefoxicy> Turning on extra effects freezes my mouse cursor but the pointer still moves invisibly.
[05:31] <geser> bluefoxicy: install compizconfig-settings-manager from universe, start it and check if the plugin in enabled
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> nah, i'll leave it off for now
[05:31] <geser> with ccsm you can also finetune compiz to your liking
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> it causes screen corruption
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> mouse cursor vanishes randomly, chunks of the screen move and other parts don't, pieces vanish, etc.
[05:32] <geser> with normal effects or extra effects?
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> normal effects.
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> Extra effects makes it worse
[05:33] <moogman> Thanks geser. I'm gonna play about with some stuff involving nuking dbus, therefore network manager. cya!
[05:33] <geser> bluefoxicy: I've no problems with normal effects (extra seems to freeze my box). What graphics card do you have?
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
[05:40] <finalbeta> Where where you when the lights whent out
[05:40] <finalbeta> eeek, sry, wrong channel
[05:43] <elkbuntu> haha
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> haha
[05:45] <Jazzva|away> Has someone recently upgraded to gutsy? How stable is it at the moment? :)
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> its so so.... open office is broken kubuntu... thats about it
[05:46] <Dannilion> I've not had problems the last couple of weeks that I haven't caused myself :p
[05:48] <Jazzva|away> Hmm... sounds stable enough ;)...
[05:48] <Jazzva|away> Thanks...
[05:48] <SeveredCross> For me, Gutsy is v. stable.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> I've been using it since ~Tribe 2, had very small issues.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> Off the top of my head, the only major problems I've had were apt & OpenOffice breakage (this was about the same time, dependency issues), and more recently NetworkManager stuff.
[05:50] <Jazzva|away> Mhm... Thanks for the comment. I guess I'll give it a try :).
[06:43] <leperkhanz> Hey, how do I clean up a full disk?
[06:45] <jussi01> leperkhanz: delete stuff?
[06:46] <dick-richardson> powersave mode in kubuntu gutsy doesn't work properly for me. It's ramping the cpu to the max...htop shows nothing requiring it
[06:48] <leperkhanz> Yeah, but like, what can I delete?  If / is full, then what directories do I need to clean up?
[06:50] <Pici> leperkhanz: directories under /
[06:50] <Pici> If you can get into xwindows, use the disk usage analyzer
[06:50] <leperkhanz> Is home under /?
[06:51] <Pici> leperkhanz: everything is under /, unless you mounted a different partition for /home
[06:53] <dick-richardson> it doesn't do it when the power is plugged in, then powersave works as anticipated
[06:55] <jussi01> dick-richardson: sounds like a bug, please file one.
[06:55] <jussi01> !bug | dick-richardson
[06:55] <ubotu> dick-richardson: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:59] <dick-richardson> jussi01: thank you!
[07:00] <jussi01> dick-richardson: no, thank you. :)
[07:19] <runge> I would have to say: Good job. everything is nicer and my mp3player works now in amarok!
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> runge, what kind?
[07:21] <runge> clix2
[07:23] <runge> It looks like some kind of indexer is active as default. I am guessing it is something like whereis/locate..
[07:26] <shirish> guys for some reason I'm not able to hear music on my system, what could be the issue? I was able to hear stuff couple of days ago
[07:27] <shirish> is there any way to test sound?
[07:27] <pvandewyngaerde> speaker-test ?
[07:27] <shirish> pvandewyngaerde: there is something called speaker-test?
[07:28] <shirish> Ok I am running it but no sound is coming, there are a bunch of numbers rolling on the screen though, could they give any indication?
[07:30] <leperkhanz> what's the command line to quit compiz and switch back to metacity?
[07:31] <nosrednaekim> "metacity --replace
[07:32] <leperkhanz> thnx
[07:34] <Do``> hm
[07:34] <Do``> i found a workaround to azureus freezing when i load a torrent file :)
[07:35] <Do``> turn on the webui and upload it from there :)
[07:53] <shirish> hi all, I can't get sound through my PC speakers in gutsy, while couple of days back they were doing well.
[07:54] <shirish> I did the speaker-test & there is no audible output
[07:54] <shirish> I went to windows, and there I can listen to music, so its not a hardware issue for sure.
[07:55] <shirish> oh oh, exaile seems to be giving some traceback
[08:04] <Muelli> is anyone successfully running vmware 6 on a 64bit gutsy?
[08:05] <finalbeta> Muelli: there are posts on the forums about running VMWare on gutsy, check those out.
[08:05] <Do``> is there a way to do a 'sudo apt-get update' & 'sudo apt-get upgrade' in 1 line?
[08:06] <Muelli> webforums suck.. :-\
[08:07] <geser> Do``: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:08] <Do``> hah. thanks :)
[08:08] <finalbeta> Then the answer is no Muelli  =-)
[08:08] <Do``> and how could i make an alias to that?
[08:08] <Do``> like 'update' or something?
[08:08] <Muelli> Do``: I don't know if you can pass sudo multiple commands. But a workaround would be "cat 'apt-get update&&apt-get update' > /tmp/apt; chmod a+x /tmp/apt; sudo /tmp/apt"
[08:09] <finalbeta> Do``: http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html
[08:10] <burner__> is the intel video playing with totem bug supposed to be fixed in gutsy?  I thought I saw something in a changelog, but it doesn't seem to work here
[08:10] <Do``> finalbeta: thanks
[08:11] <geser> Do``: alias update="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[08:12] <bur[n] er> my quotes are off, but you get the idea
[08:12] <geser> add it to ~/.bashrc if you want to keep it
[08:12] <Do``> ye, thanks
[08:12] <bur[n] er> then run "source ~/.bashrc" or reload your term
[08:12] <leperkhanz> anybody wanna help me figure out how I screwed up my $home/.dmrc file?
[08:13] <bur[n] er> that said, check permissions?
[08:13] <leperkhanz> something that apparantly is necessary to retain my session info.  Well, I need to know where it is.  Perhaps mine is missing?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> what if you "mv ~/.dmrc ~/.dmrc.bak" and then do whatever .dmrc does
[08:14] <bur[n] er> gnome-session related?
[08:14] <leperkhanz> believe so.
[08:14] <bur[n] er> aww, read by gdm i think
[08:14] <bur[n] er> it's a two line file for me
[08:15] <leperkhanz> Is it a directory?  Because I have "show hidden" enabled, and don't see it.
[08:15] <leperkhanz> Perhaps the directory is just missing?
[08:15] <bur[n] er> ls -la |grep .dmrc  <--does this show you that you own it?  it's just a file leperkhanz
[08:15] <leperkhanz> I don't see the file, either.
[08:16] <leperkhanz> Should I just create that file?
[08:16] <leperkhanz> No, gnome.
[08:16] <leperkhanz> What if I just create a file and give it the right permissions?
[08:16] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/dmrc.txt is mine
[08:17] <runge> so.. where is the database for gutsy bug? thought I would search for the one I have
[08:17] <geser> bur[n] er: Forbidden
[08:17] <leperkhanz> I don't have permission to access that site.
[08:17] <bur[n] er> oops, fixed permissions
[08:17] <bur[n] er> runge: launchpad.net
[08:17] <runge> thanks bur[n] er
[08:17] <leperkhanz> and that file is just .dmrc.txt?
[08:18] <bur[n] er> leperkhanz: just .dmrc no .txt
[08:18] <bur[n] er> I just did the .txt so it would show up in my browser
[08:18] <leperkhanz> OK, thnx.  Gonna see if I can make that work.
[08:18] <bur[n] er> sudo nano ~/.dmrc from term or alt+f2, gksudo gedit ~/.dmrc
[08:18] <bur[n] er> er... scratch that sudo ;)
[08:20] <leperkhanz> lol, i'm a gui guy, right click "Create new text document", rename, copy your txt file paste, save, permissions read and write all....
[08:20] <leperkhanz> XD
[08:20] <leperkhanz> Goin' for the reboot, let's see if I broke it.
[08:26] <leperkhanz> Nope, still getting that error.
[08:26] <leperkhanz> meh, Im on 2 a new project.
[08:28] <Eq|laptop> leperkhanz: what error are you getting?
[08:33] <leperkhanz> $HOME/.dmrc is being ignored, make sure permissions are correct, yada yada yada, then it boots fine, albeit I have to altF2 compiz --replace & every boot to get going.
[08:34] <Eq|laptop> /exec -out ls -l ~/.dmrc
[08:34] <Eq|laptop> run that
[08:39] <leperkhanz> no such file or directory?
[08:39] <Eq|laptop> that's.. concerning
[08:40] <Eq|laptop> seems the file isn't there.
[08:40] <philip_> gksudo "update-manager -c -d" does not work, forgot how to upgrade
[08:52] <kiba> timmme to fix my gnash thingie so I can remove it!
[09:26] <rbrunhuber> on my up to date gutsy machine xdpyinfo is not recognising the screen dpi's correctly. Anyone else having the problem?
[09:37] <soothsayer> I want to enable a particular configure option. Where do I do that in the package? An older version of the package had an obvious configure rule in configure.status in debian/rules. The new version is pretty spartan (3 lines). Where do I specify the option?
[09:43] <leperkhanz> what's the best software or interface in Ubuntu for uploading files to an ftp server?
[09:43] <soothsayer> Sorry wrong chan (for my message above)
[09:45] <Skiessi> leperkhanz: I don't know, but gftp is one
[09:57] <Skiessi> quiet around here..
[10:00] <musikgoat|work> hello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[10:03] <ggilbert> musikgoat|work: Canonical's commercial archive probably hasn't been set up for gutsy yet
[10:04] <musikgoat|work> how can i take that out of the update-manager -c -d   update?
[10:04] <Skiessi> it's * archiva.canonical.com
[10:04] <Skiessi> probably
[10:05] <Skiessi> btw, what Canonicals commercial archive?
[10:06] <Skiessi> >,< I meant archive.canonical.com
[10:06] <musikgoat|work> idk really
[10:07] <musikgoat|work> i'm just looking at how to modify the automatic update manager,  i'm not really used to it
[10:07] <ggilbert> Skiessi: Canonical maintains an archive of packaged software that isn't freely redistributable. Things like vmware
[10:07] <nosrednaekim> I think it has.. like.... vmware server
[10:07] <ggilbert> I'm not sure what exactly is in it
[10:07] <Skiessi> ok..
[10:09] <Skiessi> musikgoat|work: check your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the line containing that url if you find one
[10:09] <ggilbert> opera, real player, sugar crm, vmware-server, desktop secure, db2exc, and arkeia
[10:09] <musikgoat|work> in my fiesty sources.list?
[10:10] <Skiessi> you have more of them?
[10:10] <musikgoat|work> heh, no
[10:11] <Skiessi> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/ this is saying they don't have the commercial stuff for gutsy yet
[10:11] <musikgoat|work> there is no references to commercial in /etc/apt/sources/list
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> sources.list even
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> the issue that I'm presented with is how to tell update-manager -c -d  that?
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> heh
[10:13] <musikgoat|work> in the past, we just self modified sources.list, and that would work, but now with the update-manager, it seems to automate htat
[10:14] <Arwen> just upgraded and I don't seem to have virtual consoles when I hit ctrl+alt+f1?
[10:15] <Skiessi> musikgoat|work: maybe it's trying to upgrade your feisty commercial packages to gutsy ones by guessing, replacing the word feisty to gutsy in the sourcelist
[10:16] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi, i don't have commercial in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <Skiessi> ok :P no idea
[10:16] <Arwen> any ideas? can someone else see if they still have their consoles?
[10:17] <Skiessi> I have
[10:17] <Arwen> ick
[10:18] <Arwen> my filesystems aren't being mounted on boot either :-\
[10:19] <shachaf> I've installed Gutsy, and things mostly look right, except that the fonts in GTK programs are too big. Is there an easy way to fix that? It seems that gnome-font-properties (is that what it was called?) is gone.
[10:20] <Skiessi> System>Settings>Appearance
[10:20] <kiba>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[10:20] <kiba>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[10:20] <kiba> hmm
[10:21] <kiba> I did something majoritly wrong
[10:21] <musikgoat|work> so, during the upgrade, where I get the "Third party sources are commented out"   i went into /etc/apt/sources.list   and there are still no references to commercial in any of the deb entries
[10:22] <kiba> there is no such thing as commercial methink
[10:22] <musikgoat|work> i agree, i think its a sub channel of multiverse or something, i'm going to try commenting that out
[10:23] <ggilbert> hmmm? It does exist
[10:23] <Skiessi> :b I've done most of my upgrading with apt-get so I don't know so much about update-manager
[10:24] <philip_> I can't do a gksudo "update-manager -c -d" for some reason. Anyone know why? has the command changed?
[10:24] <ggilbert> Looking at it, it's just dapper, edgy, and feisty atm
[10:24] <Skiessi> :O
[10:24] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi, i've read that there are issues with updating through apt-get,  do you think that is not right?   I'll try going that route if neccessary
[10:24] <databuddy> musikgoat|work: it does it wierd in gutsy
[10:24] <databuddy> not everything is in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:24] <musikgoat|work> really?
[10:25] <databuddy> do it via system > admin > software sources
[10:25] <musikgoat|work> ok?
[10:26] <kiba> ls
[10:26] <musikgoat|work> databuddy, there is no references to commercial in three
[10:26] <musikgoat|work> *there
[10:26] <kiba> hmm
[10:27] <kiba> you can confuse percise people if you say commercial
[10:27] <kiba> they do not know if you're refering to Free software or proprietary
[10:27] <musikgoat|work> sorry kiba, but thats what the error says
[10:28] <Skiessi> flashback
[10:28] <Skiessi> " hello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found""
[10:28] <kiba> huh
[10:28] <kiba> where do I get a copy of mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm
[10:28] <kiba> ?
[10:29] <musikgoat|work> its not part of multiverse either, i commented that out
[10:29] <Eq|laptop> Skiessi: the commercial archives don't exist for gutsy yet afaik
[10:30] <Skiessi> I know
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> ah, mistread it
[10:30] <musikgoat|work> heh
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> -t
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> thought you were saying that
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> :P
[10:30] <kiba> I broke mine when trying to be able to remove it
[10:30] <Skiessi> it's part of the gnash package
[10:31] <musikgoat|work> he was quoting my original problem
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> kiba: install apt-file
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> then do apt-file update; apt-file search mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> assuming you don't know the package
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> once you know the package, download the .deb, extract it and put the .prerm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> iirc
[10:32] <Eq|laptop> hrm.. lego star wars 2, or geometry wars...
[10:32] <Skiessi> o.O
[10:34] <kiba> unable to install apt-file
[10:34] <Skiessi> I think #ubuntu should be split to few smaller channels :P It's starting to look like flooding
[10:34] <Eq|laptop> heh
[10:35] <Eq|laptop> kiba: because the other package is in a remove-failure point?
[10:37] <Skiessi> what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?
[10:45] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi: I have quite a good experience to grab one question and ask people to add my name to every answer.
[10:47] <Skiessi> okay
[10:47] <Skiessi> kiba: what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?
[10:48] <Skiessi> I usually ask them only when I think it's necessary
[10:51] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi : I always do this. This trains people to do it. Otherwise they often forget it even in the case of high volume. So i miss their answers/replies.
[10:56] <bluefoxicy> is vmware-server gone from gutsy?
[10:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Has anyone here had issues with trying to enable the broadcomm driver through the restricted managers and when you try to check the box and click "Ok" and all that crud...  then it doesn't check the box?
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> yes.
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> it fails pretty hard on 64-bit too
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> that shouldn't matter anyway though because I just need firmware.
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> it flat doesn't run here XD
[10:59] <Skiessi> rbrunhuber: Yeah I could start doing that too. But I would only use characters you can find on your keyboard in your nick or at least the few first ones.
[11:01] <Skiessi> it can be difficult for people using (for example) irssi
[11:04] <Skiessi> I just noticed my IRC-font is kinda weird...
[11:07] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi:  i use the first few characters and press tab then so the name gets completed. did not use irssi though
[11:08] <Skiessi> ok, switched back to Fixedsys and what looked like some kind of mathematical symbol revealed to be "r"
[11:10] <rbrunhuber> Cool I'm now "owner" of #kubuntu+1
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> ooo... good.
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> i'll become a "member"
[11:13] <Skiessi> I could be a "visitor"
[11:14] <Arwen> anyone here have issues with their text consoles? zz...
[11:14] <Skiessi> sorry, but no :<
[11:15] <Arwen> hit ctrl+alt+f1 and tell me if you see anything
[11:15] <Skiessi> there's still emacs running because I don't know how to quit it
[11:15] <Arwen> huh, guess it's just me then
[11:19] <Skiessi> does anyone here know are the ctrl-alt-f-consoles provided by a package or a kernel thing?
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> kernel I think.
[11:20] <Arwen> kernel's broken then, no fun :-)
[11:21] <Arwen> or maybe they're just not initializing right
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: do you have an ATI?
[11:21] <Arwen> yes
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> fglrx?
[11:21] <Arwen> not any more
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: I had probelms with my ATI fglrx,and consoles
[11:23] <Arwen> yeah, I stopped using fglrx because I didn't feel like going through the hassle of recompiling modules and stuff, but even with the open driver I'm not getting consoles
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: recompiling.... wha? just use the stock one!
[11:24] <Arwen> screw that
[11:24] <Arwen> wtf, my menus have a bunch of random junk under "other"
[11:25] <Skiessi> me too ^^ I think it belongs to KDE but I'm not sure
[11:25] <teethdood> ok how do I update to gutsy? gksudo "update-manager -c -d" doesn't do anything
[11:25] <Arwen> cut out the "gksudo" part
[11:26] <Skiessi> you're the 3rd guy I've heard today/tonight asking about that :/
[11:26] <Skiessi> I think it doesn't work.
[11:26] <teethdood> Arwen, still doesn't do anything :(
[11:26] <Arwen> eh? dunno then
[11:26] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi digg had an article saying use gksudo
[11:26] <teethdood> so...looks like the manual way then?
[11:27] <Skiessi> so...use gksudo.
[11:27] <teethdood> I've used gksudo/gksu
[11:27] <musikgoat|work> i'm not saying it works, i'm saying that is the reason why so many are asking?
[11:27] <musikgoat|work> idk
[11:27] <Arwen> nothing happens? absolutely nothing?
[11:27] <teethdood> nada
[11:27] <Skiessi> :O ok
[11:27] <teethdood> says system up-to-date
[11:27] <Skiessi> *bury*
[11:28] <musikgoat|work> heh
 says system up-to-date <-- you just said nothing happened
[11:28] <Arwen> don't lie, it doesn't help
[11:28] <teethdood> Arwen, heh well up-to-date with feisty
[11:28] <Arwen> at the top of the box, is there anything about a new "version 7.10 blah blah blah out"?
[11:29] <teethdood> Arwen, nope
[11:29] <teethdood> anyway I'm going to go gamble my new laptop away...in Las Vegas baby!!!
[11:30] <Arwen> man, this lack of consoles is irritating. What am I gonna do if X crashes?
[11:31] <Skiessi> :/ has anyone noticed Firefox crashing a lot more today?
[11:31] <Arwen> I've got stock firefox, it always crashes :-\
[11:33] <Arwen> whee... time to compile amarok, ffmpeg, tilem, tilp2, and vlc. Fun.
[11:36] <Skiessi> and if you're bored enough...
[11:36] <Skiessi> "<soothsayer> Can someone confirm the following bug: libxmlrpc-c3/gutsy does not build from source"
[11:36] <Arwen> doesn't sound too big, I'll add it to by compile queue, lol
[12:11] <dennda> Hi. Where to find Gutsy Daily Builds?
[12:12] <dennda> found it
[12:27] <ameyer> hmm, that was a lot more work than it should have been...
[12:28] <ameyer> multiple manual "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"s shouldn't be required for something so simple...
[12:35] <ameyer> don't mind me, I'm just slightly annoyed...
[12:40] <Arwen> well, it's not. You could just manually edit xorg.conf
[12:42] <ameyer> well, maybe I think it should "just work"
[12:42] <ameyer> or at least work after only one dpkg-reconfigure (i.e. the defaults that are detected just work)
[12:43] <Arwen> eh, I'd like more plug-n-play in x.org too, but it's not like it's Ubuntu's fault.
[12:52] <DanaG> I never use dpkg-reconfigure for xorg; it doesn't give me all the options I need.
[12:52] <DanaG> For example, you can't customize scrolling on the touchpad, and you can't use evdev for mice.
[12:53] <DanaG> I wish dpkg for Xorg had a "leave my existing configuration alone" option.
[12:55] <crimsun> it should do that by default.  If it doesn't, file a bug against the xorg source package.
[01:13] <musikgoat|work> have people been having trouble installing VMware in Gutsy?