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| jdstrand | mathiaz: why not debconf message? echo may get lost. | 01:03 |
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| keescook | mathiaz: I think debconf or Debian.NEWS (is that the right file) is the way to go. Check with mvo? I haven't actually done that before. | 01:05 |
| keescook | Riddell: something went wrong with my mythtv/mythplugins upload yesterday (it never hit soyuz somehow), can I just re-upload it, or do I need a full UVFe for it? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | keescook: just upload | 01:06 |
| keescook | Riddell: okay, thanks, trying again. | 01:07 |
| keescook | ah! I see what happened. I mis-generated the changes file and forgot the orig. I'm dumb. | 01:07 |
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| rbrito | Hi there. | 01:22 |
| rbrito | Is there anybody seeing problems with the PowerPC port here? | 01:22 |
| rbrito | Especially today's build? | 01:22 |
| rbrito | I have some quite psychedelic colours on my framebuffer. | 01:23 |
| rbrito | This doesn't happen with MacOS X or with Debian. | 01:23 |
| rbrito | And it didn't happened with earlier builds of gutsy... | 01:24 |
| rbrito | It is unusable, unfortunately. | 01:25 |
| rbrito | Has anybody seen this? | 01:25 |
| rbrito | I have an iBook G3 600MHz with a Rage Mobility M3. | 01:26 |
| rbrito | Old vintage with 8MB of VRAM. | 01:26 |
| rbrito | I would like to help with the port (as I mentioned yesterday here, I don't know how platforms qualify as "supported" under Ubuntu). | 01:28 |
| rbrito | Under Debian, I know the procedures for qualification of a port... | 01:28 |
| rbrito | But I would like to help get Ubuntu working fine in as many computers that I can. | 01:28 |
| rbrito | Also, this bug is a complete show-stopper: | 01:32 |
| rbrito | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146 | 01:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] | 01:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed] | 01:32 |
| rbrito | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/124369 | 01:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124369 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy dailys wont boot on powerbook 3,5 (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] | 01:33 |
| rbrito | We seem to have unfortunate situations here with the bootstrapping process. | 01:33 |
| rbrito | :-( | 01:34 |
| rbrito | Can anybody help? | 01:34 |
| rbrito | I am willing to test anything that I can. | 01:34 |
| rbrito | Anybody can help? | 01:41 |
| minghua | rbrito: I think the best bet is filing a bug report. | 01:43 |
| minghua | rbrito: also it's (close to) weekend, so many developers are probably not here. | 01:43 |
| rbrito | minghua, Thanks for your answer. | 01:43 |
| rbrito | I already filed a bug report... | 01:44 |
| rbrito | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146 | 01:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] | 01:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed] | 01:44 |
| rbrito | But it has not seen much attention. :-( | 01:44 |
| rbrito | And it is quite important now to support the powerpc platform. | 01:45 |
| rbrito | I say this because Apple is cutting support for all PowerPC computers that were based on any chips up to G3 with the next release of MacOS X and, thus, there is quite a lot of users that would benefit from a fine Operating system that Ubuntu Linux is. | 01:47 |
| bhale | I believe the fastest g3 is 500mhz or so, which is getting a little old for a full blown GNOME/KDE desktop | 01:47 |
| bhale | xubuntu might be a good choice | 01:47 |
| rbrito | bhale, no, I have a G3 here that is 600MHz and I have used G3 computers that were 900MHz. | 01:48 |
| rbrito | Stock from Apple. | 01:48 |
| rbrito | My iBook has 640MB of RAM. | 01:48 |
| bhale | thats not bad | 01:48 |
| stgraber | bhale: I have a Powerbook G3 working fine with KDE even with compiz and things like that | 01:48 |
| rbrito | stgraber, so, it seems that the userbase of PowerPC is not that small, at least. :-) | 01:49 |
| rbrito | I would be happy with just fluxbox, but not having the boot process working makes things harder. | 01:50 |
| stgraber | rbrito: well, it's more of a test/builder computer, my work laptop being a nice Core2Duo :) | 01:50 |
| rbrito | I am not even considering using compiz and all the superb stuff. | 01:50 |
| stgraber | yes, I also had that ide thing, I'll try doing a test with fixed initram when I have a moment | 01:51 |
| rbrito | stgraber, I don't have that much luck with my hardware, being in here in Brazil. | 01:51 |
| rbrito | stgraber, I would volunteer to be a tester. | 01:51 |
| rbrito | As you can see in the following bug report, I usually take my bugreports quite seriously and in a detailed fashion: | 01:52 |
| rbrito | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/123263 | 01:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123263 in compiz "tribe-2 has severe problems due to screen effects enabled by default" [High,Confirmed] | 01:53 |
| rbrito | I usually do my best. | 01:54 |
| rbrito | bhale, I also have an older PowerMac that is dual-processor (inherited from my uncle). | 01:55 |
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| rbrito | It has, though, an upgrade of processor to a G3 450MHz. | 01:55 |
| rbrito | bhale, and, as you can see here, I have a bit of experience with older PowerPC machines: | 01:57 |
| rbrito | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/04/msg00434.html | 01:57 |
| rbrito | stgraber, Do you have anything that I could test now? | 01:58 |
| rbrito | I eagerly want to help. | 01:58 |
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| rbrito | Actually, I would love to see PowerPC supported back to the same level that it was before... | 01:59 |
| rbrito | Not as a port. | 01:59 |
| rbrito | And talking about ports, are there mirrors of ports.ubuntu.com? | 01:59 |
| rbrito | I have done some quick searches and found none... | 02:00 |
| rbrito | My download rates from ports.ubuntu.com are terribly slow. :-( | 02:00 |
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| rbrito | Having PowerPC with a good supported status would be superb. | 02:02 |
| rbrito | But I can't even install it due to the bugs that I pointed above... :-( | 02:02 |
| rbrito | I can really test any images that are around. | 02:02 |
| rbrito | I am willing to be a guinea pig and help get my laptop in working conditions so that I can deliver some classes... | 02:03 |
| rbrito | With a modern distribution. | 02:03 |
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| rbrito | well, it seems that there is not much momentum to help the PowerPC port... :-( | 02:05 |
| rbrito | I'd love to be helpful to the distribution... | 02:05 |
| Trewas | rbrito: you could not have picked a more desperate time to bring it up here as it is middle of the night in europe (where many of the devels are) and weekend :) | 02:05 |
| rbrito | Trewas, sorry, the differences in timezones... | 02:06 |
| Trewas | not that I have anything to do with the development of ubuntu... just a side note | 02:06 |
| rbrito | I thought that Ubuntu had developers in the Americas... | 02:07 |
| rbrito | Trewas, that's ok. | 02:07 |
| ScottK | rbrito: There are some. | 02:07 |
| rbrito | ScottK, but would there be any involved with the boot process? | 02:08 |
| rbrito | I would like to help. | 02:08 |
| ScottK | Not that I know of. | 02:08 |
| rbrito | It seems to be a moderately trivial fix... | 02:08 |
| ScottK | European week day is your best bet. | 02:08 |
| ScottK | You could also attach a patch to the relevant bug. | 02:08 |
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| rbrito | ScottK, Oh, ok. I guess that I will have to wait. | 02:09 |
| rbrito | The fix is just an echo ide-core > /proper/module/loading/file | 02:09 |
| rbrito | That's it. | 02:09 |
| ScottK | I'd still make a patch and attach it. It's more likely to be looked at. | 02:10 |
| rbrito | But the bug persists in that even with newer kernel images than 2.6.22-6 (I tried 2.6.22-9) the problem surfaces... | 02:10 |
| rbrito | ScottK, Ok, I think that I will have to do that... | 02:11 |
| rbrito | Well, I'm going now. | 02:11 |
| rbrito | Thank you very much for all the help you've provided. | 02:11 |
| rbrito | I really hope to have PowerPC better supported in tribe-5 and in the final release. | 02:12 |
| rbrito | See ya | 02:13 |
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| keescook | what's the right replacement for libmyspell-dev in Depends? (bug 133062) | 02:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133062 in ifrench "FTBFS (Package libmyspell-dev is not available)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133062 | 02:36 |
| minghua | keescook: libhunspell-dev, it seems. | 02:39 |
| keescook | minghua: cool, thanks. | 02:39 |
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| Fujitsu | prabs: That's more of a #launchpad question. | 03:07 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released | ||
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| fabbione | well.. all back online | 10:49 |
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| pygi | xhaker_, poke | 11:05 |
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| SimIJskes | hello | 12:31 |
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| SimIJskes | i have patched libpoppler so that it delegates some font name translation to fontconfig, is there anybody else working on this subject? | 12:32 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | UVF in place | ||
| Riddell | SimIJskes: isn't that something for upstream? | 12:33 |
| SimIJskes | you tell me. i only like to include it in ubuntu | 12:33 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: If you're around, do you mind NBS'ing some binaries out of the archive? | 12:53 |
| SimIJskes | Riddell: do you know of a motu developer who likes to adopt this? | 12:58 |
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| Seveas | SimIJskes, such changes really should go upstream... | 01:00 |
| Seveas | SimIJskes, and libpoppler is in main, so not the domain of the MOTU | 01:00 |
| SimIJskes | Seveas: it's only a little patch. | 01:01 |
| SimIJskes | Seveas: who does main? | 01:01 |
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| croftj | Hi Yall | 01:10 |
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| croftj | Hi, I'm trying to find a list of packages that come standard on ubutnu or kubutnu, can anyone point me there? | 01:13 |
| RAOF | croftj: Check out the dependencies/recommends of [k] ubuntu-desktop. | 01:16 |
| croftj | Help me, I'm not a ubutnu user so I'm not familiar with the web site. Is that under the docs? | 01:18 |
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| croftj | Found it! http://packages.ubuntu.com | 01:20 |
| Fujitsu | /win 16 | 01:25 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 01:25 |
| croftj | Have yall checkout the suse build server? Lets you build packages for lots of distributions. Pretty slick | 01:25 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 01:35 |
| norsetto | hiya | 01:35 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK: preferably not, unless it's urgent? | 01:41 |
| croftj | Hi | 01:42 |
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| Dreadddddd | Preved amerikan4egi!!! | 01:42 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: I'm guessing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ion3/+bug/115142 can be closed? | 01:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 115142 in ion3 "New distribution conditions based on trademark claim" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:43 |
| terrorX | greeting's ? | 01:43 |
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| Dreadddddd | terrorX ? | 01:45 |
| Dreadddddd | greeting's ? | 01:45 |
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| terrorX | 01:45 | |
| terrorX | 01:46 | |
| terrorX | ) | 01:46 |
| elkbuntu | eep | 01:46 |
| Dreadddddd | davay | 01:46 |
| terrorX | zdrasti tela! =) | 01:46 |
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| terrorX | xotya vsyo ravno ne poymut ni razu ) | 01:46 |
| Dreadddddd | elkbuntu epp herself | 01:46 |
| Dreadddddd | :\ | 01:46 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, Dreadddddd and terrorX are spamming | 01:46 |
| terrorX | stuka4 ebu4iy | 01:47 |
| Dreadddddd | 4ootta spamming ? | 01:47 |
| terrorX | wi a russian people? | 01:47 |
| terrorX | a naverno nenado bilo | 01:48 |
| Dreadddddd | terrorX #help | 01:48 |
| terrorX | iii | 01:48 |
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| Hobbsee_ | op | 01:49 |
| elkbuntu | :) | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee_ | finally. | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee_ | stupid slow connection. | 01:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hi LongPointyStick | 01:51 |
| LongPointyStick | oh, so we are here | 01:52 |
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| phoenix_ | hey | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | i got a via vt8251 chipset | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | doesnt detect my drives | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | can it be added or can u point me to a feisty driver | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | only found dapper | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | dapper driver that is | 02:13 |
| phoenix_ | http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=167 | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | suggest you try #ubuntu for support | 02:16 |
| phoenix_ | ther we go :) | 02:16 |
| phoenix_ | Hobbsee, i was just wondering will ther be vt8251 drivers or kernel modudles for gutsy or feisty ? | 02:17 |
| phoenix_ | only found dapper ones | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | i have no idea, and it is a weekend. | 02:17 |
| phoenix_ | oh well | 02:17 |
| phoenix_ | thkx for answering tho | 02:17 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: impressive way to misspell my name. i dont think anyone's ever managed it *that* way before. | 02:39 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: where is that? | 02:43 |
| norsetto | hmmmm, not that I didn't try :-) | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: distro team meeting | 02:44 |
| fabbione | oh i see | 02:44 |
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| geser | Mithrandir: ion3 moved into non-free in Debian. Should we follow and move it into multiverse? | 06:21 |
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| Mithrandir | geser: yes. Done. | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | (and thanks) | 06:23 |
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| geser | ion3-scripts and ion3-mod-ionflux should also be moved to multiverse as they depend on ion3 | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | geser: thanks, fixed. | 06:25 |
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| geser | Mithrandir: please give-back kde4addons on amd64 and powerpc. Thanks. | 06:42 |
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| Mithrandir | geser: gegebt-back | 06:43 |
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| asac | pygi: huh? | 06:55 |
| asac | pygi: why gnash? thought you were on swfdec? | 06:55 |
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| pygi | asac, I'm on everything xD | 07:47 |
| pygi | asac, swfdec is packaged and reported bug about it (not swfdec-mozilla yet tho) | 07:48 |
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| asac | pygi: what did you do to gnash? can you pleaes tell me? | 07:48 |
| pygi | asac, because of that upgrade from 3? we talked about that xD | 07:49 |
| pygi | asac, just did work on my branch, uploaded nothing | 07:49 |
| asac | ah ok | 07:49 |
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| asac | pygi: so is revision 102 exactly the same that is uploaded as ubuntu4? | 07:52 |
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| asac | pygi: i read "for people with ubuntu3 and ubuntu4 packages | 07:54 |
| asac | " | 07:55 |
| asac | is ubuntu4 broken as well? | 07:55 |
| asac | ok nevermind | 07:55 |
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| pygi | asac, no, ubuntu4 isn't broken | 07:57 |
| pygi | asac, but it needs modification so people with 3 could safely upgrade | 07:57 |
| asac | yeah i saw that now ... i just was a bit confused by changelog wording | 07:57 |
| asac | but thats ok | 07:58 |
| pygi | you should test that fix, so we're sure it's fine | 07:58 |
| pygi | kk :) | 07:58 |
| asac | i will before the upload ;) | 07:58 |
| pygi | asac, swfdec0.5.1 here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.4/+bug/133052 | 07:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133052 in swfdec0.4 "[needs review] swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New] | 07:58 |
| pygi | I'll work on swfdec-mozilla today or tomorrow, or so | 07:58 |
| pygi | soon anyway xD | 07:58 |
| asac | sure ... tell me when its there ... i will do both at once then | 07:58 |
| pygi | oki =) | 07:59 |
| asac | does swfdec have a branch as well? | 08:00 |
| pygi | asac, nop, because you said you wanted mainline branch to be part of motu | 08:00 |
| pygi | asac, and I can't do that | 08:00 |
| pygi | but I can create my personal branch if you wish | 08:01 |
| ScottK | swfdec0.5 will be a new package, right? | 08:02 |
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| asac | pygi: yes please do | 08:06 |
| asac | actually i think we should name the source package just swfdec | 08:06 |
| ScottK | Either way, it'll be a new source package. | 08:07 |
| asac | technically yes | 08:08 |
| asac | politically i would say no :) | 08:10 |
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| pygi | asac, personally, I like the way it is now | 08:16 |
| pygi | asac, for now at least | 08:16 |
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| pygi | asac, because Company uses version as part of soname | 08:17 |
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| pygi | asac_, what's the last thing you saw? xD | 08:21 |
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| asac_ | pygi: i will ping you again ... have to reboot gateway because of kernel upgrade ... and more importantly reset my modem | 08:24 |
| asac_ | pygi: i saw 20:10 < asac> politically i would say no :) | 08:24 |
| asac_ | nothing more | 08:24 |
| asac_ | cu soon | 08:24 |
| pygi | asac_, I didnt got that :) | 08:24 |
| pygi | laters =) | 08:24 |
| asac_ | oh | 08:24 |
| asac_ | hehe | 08:24 |
| asac_ | yeah | 08:24 |
| asac_ | bye | 08:24 |
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| pygi | wb asac | 08:53 |
| pygi | asac, so what you didn't saw from me is: | 08:53 |
| pygi | <pygi> asac, personally, I like the way it is now | 08:53 |
| pygi | <pygi> asac, for now at least | 08:53 |
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| pygi | <pygi> asac, because Company uses version as part of soname | 08:53 |
| asac | well ... but having a new source package for each single new version is not really great | 08:54 |
| pygi | asac, we have new source package anyway | 08:55 |
| asac | yes ... but if we drop version from it now we won't have that next time | 08:56 |
| pygi | asac, ah, k | 08:56 |
| asac | since company offered to track abi if we care ... we should probably let him know that we care :) | 08:57 |
| pygi | asac, :P | 08:58 |
| pygi | nod =) | 08:58 |
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| pygi | asac, ok, my suggestion follows: do it like swfdec0.5 now, and when we get proper abi from Company, do it the right way? | 09:00 |
| pygi | or you want to do it now | 09:00 |
| asac | better do it now ... otherwise we just put load on source NEW reviewers | 09:02 |
| asac | having versioned binaries is enough for now | 09:03 |
| pygi | oh well, k | 09:03 |
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| pygi | asac, Baby was searching for you in #gnash | 09:20 |
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| asac | yeah ... tomorrow i will join that channel again :) | 09:22 |
| asac | thanks! | 09:22 |
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| asac | ok i will join now | 09:24 |
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| pygi | asac, :D | 09:27 |
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| rgl | hi | 09:49 |
| asac | hi rgl | 09:50 |
| rgl | OT: how can I configure xvncviewer to not trap the F8 key? | 09:50 |
| sbalneav | rgl: Wrong channel for that, Try #ubuntu | 09:51 |
| rgl | sbalneav, I did. but noone answers. :D | 09:52 |
| sbalneav | Then maybe no-one knows. | 09:52 |
| Seveas | rgl, then this is still the wrong chan | 09:52 |
| rgl | thats why I asked here. :D | 09:52 |
| sbalneav | rgl: have you read the man page? It tells you in there. | 09:52 |
| rgl | sbalneav, oh you are right. I'm sorry :-( | 09:54 |
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| geser | Mithrandir: when I asked for a give-back for kde4addons some hours ago, did you do it for gutsy or for feisty-backports? | 11:26 |
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| crimsun | asac: WRT flashplugin-nonfree, cf. Debian #398666 | 12:14 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 398666 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree: fails to install with debconf "noninteractive" with message "download or license refused"" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/398666 | 12:15 |
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| asac | crimsun: that is still open | 12:19 |
| asac | crimsun: did you remove that because of this? | 12:19 |
| crimsun | asac: no, the Debian maintainer did | 12:19 |
| asac | crimsun: ok we need it ... its pretty illegal to not display it afaik | 12:20 |
| asac | crimsun: do you have an idea how to resurrect it? | 12:20 |
| asac | e.g. what the exact changes were? | 12:20 |
| crimsun | asac: Bart's changes are in 9.0.21.78.1; essentially, you'd need to revert his debian/templates and debian/config changes | 12:22 |
| crimsun | (change the default download to "no" for starters) | 12:22 |
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| asac | crimsun: default download == display license? | 12:23 |
| crimsun | asac: yes. | 12:24 |
| crimsun | asac: it's Template: flashplugin-nonfree/httpget | 12:24 |
| asac | how easy is it to decouple that ? | 12:25 |
| asac | i mean we have to ask user to accept that license everytime | 12:26 |
| asac | ... so debconf for that is just wrong ... or do i miss the point here? | 12:26 |
| asac | let me look that ugly package :( | 12:27 |
| crimsun | it wouldn't be terribly difficult to decouple, but it is messy as you imply. | 12:29 |
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