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[01:03] <jdstrand> mathiaz: why not debconf message?  echo may get lost.
[01:05] <keescook> mathiaz: I think debconf or Debian.NEWS (is that the right file) is the way to go.  Check with mvo?  I haven't actually done that before.
[01:06] <keescook> Riddell: something went wrong with my mythtv/mythplugins upload yesterday (it never hit soyuz somehow), can I just re-upload it, or do I need a full UVFe for it?
[01:06] <Riddell> keescook: just upload
[01:07] <keescook> Riddell: okay, thanks, trying again.
[01:07] <keescook> ah! I see what happened.  I mis-generated the changes file and forgot the orig.  I'm dumb.
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[01:22] <rbrito> Hi there.
[01:22] <rbrito> Is there anybody seeing problems with the PowerPC port here?
[01:22] <rbrito> Especially today's build?
[01:23] <rbrito> I have some quite psychedelic colours on my framebuffer.
[01:23] <rbrito> This doesn't happen with MacOS X or with Debian.
[01:24] <rbrito> And it didn't happened with earlier builds of gutsy...
[01:25] <rbrito> It is unusable, unfortunately.
[01:25] <rbrito> Has anybody seen this?
[01:26] <rbrito> I have an iBook G3 600MHz with a Rage Mobility M3.
[01:26] <rbrito> Old vintage with 8MB of VRAM.
[01:28] <rbrito> I would like to help with the port (as I mentioned yesterday here, I don't know how platforms qualify as "supported" under Ubuntu).
[01:28] <rbrito> Under Debian, I know the procedures for qualification of a port...
[01:28] <rbrito> But I would like to help get Ubuntu working fine in as many computers that I can.
[01:32] <rbrito> Also, this bug is a complete show-stopper:
[01:32] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] 
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed] 
[01:33] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/124369
[01:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124369 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy dailys wont boot on powerbook 3,5 (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] 
[01:33] <rbrito> We seem to have unfortunate situations here with the bootstrapping process.
[01:34] <rbrito> :-(
[01:34] <rbrito> Can anybody help?
[01:34] <rbrito> I am willing to test anything that I can.
[01:41] <rbrito> Anybody can help?
[01:43] <minghua> rbrito: I think the best bet is filing a bug report.
[01:43] <minghua> rbrito: also it's (close to) weekend, so many developers are probably not here.
[01:43] <rbrito> minghua, Thanks for your answer.
[01:44] <rbrito> I already filed a bug report...
[01:44] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New] 
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed] 
[01:44] <rbrito> But it has not seen much attention. :-(
[01:45] <rbrito> And it is quite important now to support the powerpc platform.
[01:47] <rbrito> I say this because Apple is cutting support for all PowerPC computers that were based on any chips up to G3 with the next release of MacOS X and, thus, there is quite a lot of users that would benefit from a fine Operating system that Ubuntu Linux is.
[01:47] <bhale> I believe the fastest g3 is 500mhz or so, which is getting a little old for a full blown GNOME/KDE desktop
[01:47] <bhale> xubuntu might be a good choice
[01:48] <rbrito> bhale, no, I have a G3 here that is 600MHz and I have used G3 computers that were 900MHz.
[01:48] <rbrito> Stock from Apple.
[01:48] <rbrito> My iBook has 640MB of RAM.
[01:48] <bhale> thats not bad
[01:48] <stgraber> bhale: I have a Powerbook G3 working fine with KDE even with compiz and things like that
[01:49] <rbrito> stgraber, so, it seems that the userbase of PowerPC is not that small, at least. :-)
[01:50] <rbrito> I would be happy with just fluxbox, but not having the boot process working makes things harder.
[01:50] <stgraber> rbrito: well, it's more of a test/builder computer, my work laptop being a nice Core2Duo :)
[01:50] <rbrito> I am not even considering using compiz and all the superb stuff.
[01:51] <stgraber> yes, I also had that ide thing, I'll try doing a test with fixed initram when I have a moment
[01:51] <rbrito> stgraber, I don't have that much luck with my hardware, being in here in Brazil.
[01:51] <rbrito> stgraber, I would volunteer to be a tester.
[01:52] <rbrito> As you can see in the following bug report, I usually take my bugreports quite seriously and in a detailed fashion:
[01:53] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/123263
[01:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123263 in compiz "tribe-2 has severe problems due to screen effects enabled by default" [High,Confirmed] 
[01:54] <rbrito> I usually do my best.
[01:55] <rbrito> bhale, I also have an older PowerMac that is dual-processor (inherited from my uncle).
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[01:55] <rbrito> It has, though, an upgrade of processor to a G3 450MHz.
[01:57] <rbrito> bhale, and, as you can see here, I have a bit of experience with older PowerPC machines:
[01:57] <rbrito> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/04/msg00434.html
[01:58] <rbrito> stgraber, Do you have anything that I could test now?
[01:58] <rbrito> I eagerly want to help.
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[01:59] <rbrito> Actually, I would love to see PowerPC supported back to the same level that it was before...
[01:59] <rbrito> Not as a port.
[01:59] <rbrito> And talking about ports, are there mirrors of ports.ubuntu.com?
[02:00] <rbrito> I have done some quick searches and found none...
[02:00] <rbrito> My download rates from ports.ubuntu.com are terribly slow. :-(
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[02:02] <rbrito> Having PowerPC with a good supported status would be superb.
[02:02] <rbrito> But I can't even install it due to the bugs that I pointed above... :-(
[02:02] <rbrito> I can really test any images that are around.
[02:03] <rbrito> I am willing to be a guinea pig and help get my laptop in working conditions so that I can deliver some classes...
[02:03] <rbrito> With a modern distribution.
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[02:05] <rbrito> well, it seems that there is not much momentum to help the PowerPC port... :-(
[02:05] <rbrito> I'd love to be helpful to the distribution...
[02:05] <Trewas> rbrito: you could not have picked a more desperate time to bring it up here as it is middle of the night in europe (where many of the devels are) and weekend :)
[02:06] <rbrito> Trewas, sorry, the differences in timezones...
[02:06] <Trewas> not that I have anything to do with the development of ubuntu... just a side note
[02:07] <rbrito> I thought that Ubuntu had developers in the Americas...
[02:07] <rbrito> Trewas, that's ok.
[02:07] <ScottK> rbrito: There are some.
[02:08] <rbrito> ScottK, but would there be any involved with the boot process?
[02:08] <rbrito> I would like to help.
[02:08] <ScottK> Not that I know of.
[02:08] <rbrito> It seems to be a moderately trivial fix...
[02:08] <ScottK> European week day is your best bet.
[02:08] <ScottK> You could also attach a patch to the relevant bug.
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[02:09] <rbrito> ScottK, Oh, ok. I guess that I will have to wait.
[02:09] <rbrito> The fix is just an echo ide-core > /proper/module/loading/file
[02:09] <rbrito> That's it.
[02:10] <ScottK> I'd still make a patch and attach it.  It's more likely to be looked at.
[02:10] <rbrito> But the bug persists in that even with newer kernel images than 2.6.22-6 (I tried 2.6.22-9) the problem surfaces...
[02:11] <rbrito> ScottK, Ok, I think that I will have to do that...
[02:11] <rbrito> Well, I'm going now.
[02:11] <rbrito> Thank you very much for all the help you've provided.
[02:12] <rbrito> I really hope to have PowerPC better supported in tribe-5 and in the final release.
[02:13] <rbrito> See ya
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[02:36] <keescook> what's the right replacement for libmyspell-dev in Depends?  (bug 133062)
[02:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133062 in ifrench "FTBFS (Package libmyspell-dev is not available)" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133062
[02:39] <minghua> keescook: libhunspell-dev, it seems.
[02:39] <keescook> minghua: cool, thanks.
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[03:04] <prabs> hi guys, just wondering if we get karma points for uploading .po too? or is it for the things we do in launchpad that counts?
[03:07] <Fujitsu> prabs: That's more of a #launchpad question.
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[06:26] <fabbione> NOTICE: ubuntulog is going down for a few hours for maintainance
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released
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[10:49] <fabbione> well.. all back online
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[12:31] <SimIJskes> hello
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[12:32] <SimIJskes> i have patched libpoppler so that it delegates some font name translation to fontconfig, is there anybody else working on this subject?
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[12:33] <Riddell> SimIJskes: isn't that something for upstream?
[12:33] <SimIJskes> you tell me. i only like to include it in ubuntu
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[12:53] <StevenK> Mithrandir: If you're around, do you mind NBS'ing some binaries  out of the archive?
[12:58] <SimIJskes> Riddell: do you know of a motu developer who likes to adopt this?
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[01:00] <Seveas> SimIJskes, such changes really should go upstream...
[01:00] <Seveas> SimIJskes, and libpoppler is in main, so not the domain of the MOTU
[01:01] <SimIJskes> Seveas: it's only a little patch.
[01:01] <SimIJskes> Seveas: who does main?
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[01:10] <croftj> Hi Yall
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[01:13] <croftj> Hi, I'm trying to find a list of packages that come standard on ubutnu or kubutnu, can anyone point me there?
[01:16] <RAOF> croftj: Check out the dependencies/recommends of [k] ubuntu-desktop.
[01:18] <croftj> Help me, I'm not a ubutnu user so I'm not familiar with the web site. Is that under the docs?
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[01:20] <croftj> Found it! http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:25] <Fujitsu>  /win 16
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[01:25] <croftj> Have yall checkout the suse build server? Lets you build packages for lots of distributions. Pretty slick
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[01:35] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:35] <norsetto> hiya
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[01:41] <Mithrandir> StevenK: preferably not, unless it's urgent?
[01:42] <croftj> Hi
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[01:42] <Dreadddddd> Preved amerikan4egi!!!
[01:43] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I'm guessing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ion3/+bug/115142 can be closed?
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115142 in ion3 "New distribution conditions based on trademark claim" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:43] <terrorX> greeting's ?
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[01:45] <Dreadddddd> terrorX    ?
[01:45] <Dreadddddd>    greeting's ?
[01:45] <terrorX>  
[01:45] <terrorX>   
[01:46] <terrorX>  
[01:46] <terrorX>     )
[01:46] <elkbuntu> eep
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> davay
[01:46] <terrorX> zdrasti tela! =)
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[01:46] <terrorX> xotya vsyo ravno ne poymut ni razu )
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> elkbuntu epp herself
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> :\
[01:46] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, Dreadddddd and terrorX are spamming
[01:47] <terrorX> stuka4 ebu4iy
[01:47] <Dreadddddd> 4ootta spamming ?
[01:47] <terrorX> wi a russian people?
[01:48] <terrorX> a naverno nenado bilo
[01:48] <Dreadddddd> terrorX #help
[01:48] <terrorX> iii
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[01:49] <Hobbsee_> op
[01:49] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:50] <Hobbsee_> finally.
[01:50] <Hobbsee_> stupid slow connection.
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[01:51] <Hobbsee> hi LongPointyStick
[01:52] <LongPointyStick> oh, so we are here
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[02:13] <phoenix_> hey
[02:13] <phoenix_> i got a via vt8251 chipset
[02:13] <phoenix_> doesnt detect my drives
[02:13] <phoenix_> can it be added or can u point me to a feisty driver
[02:13] <phoenix_> only found dapper
[02:13] <phoenix_> dapper driver that is
[02:14] <phoenix_> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=167
[02:16] <Hobbsee> suggest you try #ubuntu for support
[02:16] <phoenix_> ther we go :)
[02:17] <phoenix_> Hobbsee,  i was just wondering will ther be vt8251 drivers or kernel modudles for gutsy or feisty ?
[02:17] <phoenix_> only found dapper ones
[02:17] <Hobbsee> i have no idea, and it is a weekend.
[02:17] <phoenix_> oh well
[02:17] <phoenix_> thkx for answering tho
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[02:39] <Hobbsee> ogra: impressive way to misspell my name.  i dont think anyone's ever managed it *that* way before.
[02:43] <fabbione> Hobbsee: where is that?
[02:44] <norsetto> hmmmm, not that I didn't try :-)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> fabbione: distro team meeting
[02:44] <fabbione> oh i see
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[06:21] <geser> Mithrandir: ion3 moved into non-free in Debian. Should we follow and move it into multiverse?
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[06:23] <Mithrandir> geser: yes.  Done.
[06:23] <Mithrandir> (and thanks)
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[06:24] <geser> ion3-scripts and ion3-mod-ionflux should also be moved to multiverse as they depend on ion3
[06:25] <Mithrandir> geser: thanks, fixed.
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[06:42] <geser> Mithrandir: please give-back kde4addons on amd64 and powerpc. Thanks.
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[06:43] <Mithrandir> geser: gegebt-back
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[06:55] <asac> pygi: huh?
[06:55] <asac> pygi: why gnash? thought you were on swfdec?
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[07:47] <pygi> asac, I'm on everything xD
[07:48] <pygi> asac, swfdec is packaged and reported bug about it (not swfdec-mozilla yet tho)
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[07:48] <asac> pygi: what did you do to gnash? can you pleaes tell me?
[07:49] <pygi> asac, because of that upgrade from 3? we talked about that xD
[07:49] <pygi> asac, just did work on my branch, uploaded nothing
[07:49] <asac> ah ok
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[07:52] <asac> pygi: so is revision 102 exactly the same that is uploaded as ubuntu4?
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[07:54] <asac> pygi: i read "for people with ubuntu3 and ubuntu4 packages
[07:55] <asac> "
[07:55] <asac> is ubuntu4 broken as well?
[07:55] <asac> ok nevermind
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[07:57] <pygi> asac, no, ubuntu4 isn't broken
[07:57] <pygi> asac, but it needs modification so people with 3 could safely upgrade
[07:57] <asac> yeah i saw that now ... i just was a bit confused by changelog wording
[07:58] <asac> but thats ok
[07:58] <pygi> you should test that fix, so we're sure it's fine
[07:58] <pygi> kk :)
[07:58] <asac> i will before the upload ;)
[07:58] <pygi> asac, swfdec0.5.1 here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.4/+bug/133052
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133052 in swfdec0.4 "[needs review]  swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New] 
[07:58] <pygi> I'll work on swfdec-mozilla today or tomorrow, or so
[07:58] <pygi> soon anyway xD
[07:58] <asac> sure ... tell me when its there ... i will do both at once then
[07:59] <pygi> oki =)
[08:00] <asac> does swfdec have a branch as well?
[08:00] <pygi> asac, nop, because you said you wanted mainline branch to be part of motu
[08:00] <pygi> asac, and I can't do that
[08:01] <pygi> but I can create my personal branch if you wish
[08:02] <ScottK> swfdec0.5 will be a new package, right?
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[08:06] <asac> pygi: yes please do
[08:06] <asac> actually i think we should name the source package just swfdec
[08:07] <ScottK> Either way, it'll be a new source package.
[08:08] <asac> technically yes
[08:10] <asac> politically i would say no :)
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[08:16] <pygi> asac, personally, I like the way it is now
[08:16] <pygi> asac, for now at least
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[08:17] <pygi> asac, because Company uses version as part of soname
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[08:21] <pygi> asac_, what's the last thing you saw? xD
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[08:24] <asac_> pygi: i will ping you again ... have to reboot gateway because of kernel upgrade ... and more importantly reset my modem
[08:24] <asac_> pygi: i saw 20:10 < asac> politically i would say no :)
[08:24] <asac_> nothing more
[08:24] <asac_> cu soon
[08:24] <pygi> asac_, I didnt got that :)
[08:24] <pygi> laters =)
[08:24] <asac_> oh
[08:24] <asac_> hehe
[08:24] <asac_> yeah
[08:24] <asac_> bye
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[08:53] <pygi> wb asac
[08:53] <pygi> asac, so what you didn't saw from me is:
[08:53] <pygi> <pygi> asac, personally, I like the way it is now
[08:53] <pygi> <pygi> asac, for now at least
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[08:53] <pygi> <pygi> asac, because Company uses version as part of soname
[08:54] <asac> well ... but having a new source package for each single new version is not really great
[08:55] <pygi> asac, we have new source package anyway
[08:56] <asac> yes ... but if we drop version from it now we won't have that next time
[08:56] <pygi> asac, ah, k
[08:57] <asac> since company offered to track abi if we care ... we should probably let him know that we care :)
[08:58] <pygi> asac, :P
[08:58] <pygi> nod =)
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[09:00] <pygi> asac, ok, my suggestion follows: do it like swfdec0.5 now, and when we get proper abi from Company, do it the right way?
[09:00] <pygi> or you want to do it now
[09:02] <asac> better do it now ... otherwise we just put load on source NEW reviewers
[09:03] <asac> having versioned binaries is enough for now
[09:03] <pygi> oh well, k
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[09:20] <pygi> asac, Baby was searching for you in #gnash
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[09:22] <asac> yeah ... tomorrow i will join that channel again :)
[09:22] <asac> thanks!
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[09:24] <asac> ok i will join now
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[09:27] <pygi> asac, :D
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[09:49] <rgl> hi
[09:50] <asac> hi rgl
[09:50] <rgl> OT: how can I configure xvncviewer to not trap the F8 key?
[09:51] <sbalneav> rgl: Wrong channel for that, Try #ubuntu
[09:52] <rgl> sbalneav, I did.  but noone answers. :D
[09:52] <sbalneav> Then maybe no-one knows.
[09:52] <Seveas> rgl, then this is still the wrong chan
[09:52] <rgl> thats why I asked here. :D
[09:52] <sbalneav> rgl: have you read the man page? It tells you in there.
[09:54] <rgl> sbalneav, oh you are right.  I'm sorry :-(
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[11:26] <geser> Mithrandir: when I asked for a give-back for kde4addons some hours ago, did you do it for gutsy or for feisty-backports?
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[12:14] <crimsun> asac: WRT flashplugin-nonfree, cf. Debian #398666
[12:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 398666 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree: fails to install with debconf "noninteractive" with message "download or license refused"" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/398666
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[12:19] <asac> crimsun: that is still open
[12:19] <asac> crimsun: did you remove that because of this?
[12:19] <crimsun> asac: no, the Debian maintainer did
[12:20] <asac> crimsun: ok we need it ... its pretty illegal to not display it afaik
[12:20] <asac> crimsun: do you have an idea how to resurrect it?
[12:20] <asac> e.g. what the exact changes were?
[12:22] <crimsun> asac: Bart's changes are in 9.0.21.78.1; essentially, you'd need to revert his debian/templates and debian/config changes
[12:22] <crimsun> (change the default download to "no" for starters)
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[12:23] <asac> crimsun: default download == display license?
[12:24] <crimsun> asac: yes.
[12:24] <crimsun> asac: it's Template: flashplugin-nonfree/httpget
[12:25] <asac> how easy is it to decouple that ?
[12:26] <asac> i mean we have to ask user to accept that license everytime
[12:26] <asac> ... so debconf for that is just wrong ... or do i miss the point here?
[12:27] <asac> let me look that ugly package :(
[12:29] <crimsun> it wouldn't be terribly difficult to decouple, but it is messy as you imply.