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| xubu | how can i get a list of my usb devices and thier uris | 12:38 |
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| vidd | lsusb | 12:43 |
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| axelm7 | hello, I am installing xubuntu 7.0.4 right now. I have checked that the CD media is ok, and after starting the installation, it says /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off. Then it takes me to a busybox prompt and does not continue. | 12:54 |
| axelm7 | what should I try next? install in safe text mode? | 12:54 |
| axelm7 | on the bottom of the screen it says (initramfs) and I get a prompt there | 12:55 |
| axelm7 | now I get a kernel panic :( | 01:03 |
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| axelm7 | my installation has aborted | 01:10 |
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| axelm7 | it says "checking file systems" [FAILED] | 01:11 |
| axelm7 | __tzfile_read: Assertion 'num_types == 1' failed | 01:11 |
| axelm7 | an then the installer goes into maintenance mode and i get a bash prompt | 01:12 |
| axelm7 | wtf is wrong? | 01:12 |
| axelm7 | do i have to start with noacpi nousb or something like that? | 01:12 |
| vidd | try acpi=off | 01:13 |
| axelm7 | where should I put that? on the grub command line? | 01:13 |
| vidd | didi the install complete? or is this while trying to install? | 01:14 |
| axelm7 | while it was trying to start in safe graphics mode | 01:14 |
| axelm7 | i did not reach the part where it gives me the option to install | 01:15 |
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| vidd | then restart the installer....hit [esc[ then type live acpi=off if using the live | 01:16 |
| axelm7 | now I am starting again, but I pressed F6 and added acpi=off to the boot options | 01:16 |
| axelm7 | it is trying to read from the floppy drive all the time | 01:17 |
| vidd | live cd? | 01:17 |
| axelm7 | crap, failed again, busybox prompt | 01:17 |
| axelm7 | livecd | 01:17 |
| axelm7 | i am downloading alternate cd just in case | 01:18 |
| vidd | how much ram? | 01:18 |
| axelm7 | 128 | 01:18 |
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| axelm7 | i'll try the escape key | 01:18 |
| vidd | im not sure you can run the live cd with that little ram | 01:19 |
| axelm7 | ok, now it is booting in text mode | 01:19 |
| silvertip257 | is there a channel I should join to talk to any devs ? | 01:19 |
| vidd | #xubuntu-devel | 01:20 |
| silvertip257 | ok thanks | 01:20 |
| axelm7 | damn, graphics mode again, how do I get it to boot in text mode ONLY | 01:20 |
| vidd | you DONT | 01:21 |
| vidd | its a live cd...not the altcd | 01:21 |
| silvertip257 | ;) | 01:21 |
| axelm7 | aborted again. any other boot command I should try? live acpi=off... | 01:22 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: are you a dev? | 01:22 |
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| vidd | no...throw that live cd in the trash | 01:22 |
| vidd | silvertip257, no | 01:22 |
| vidd | you need the alt | 01:22 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: ok ... seems like no one is there | 01:22 |
| axelm7 | I'll keep it just in case ;) | 01:22 |
| axelm7 | but i will burn the alt cd and try again | 01:23 |
| silvertip257 | axelm7: burn it at a slow speed -- as slow as 4x if you can!!! | 01:23 |
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| silvertip257 | ? | 01:23 |
| vidd | *iso | 01:23 |
| silvertip257 | oh | 01:23 |
| silvertip257 | what's that? | 01:23 |
| vidd | gets everything off the internet | 01:24 |
| silvertip257 | oh netinstall ? | 01:24 |
| vidd | the image is <10 meg | 01:24 |
| silvertip257 | xubuntu has one ? | 01:24 |
| silvertip257 | do the rest ? | 01:24 |
| silvertip257 | vidd ^^ | 01:25 |
| vidd | it is agnostic...will install xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, LAMP, DNS, and minimal | 01:25 |
| silvertip257 | where did ya get it? | 01:25 |
| vidd | you can dig it up in the archives...or just get it from my downloads page http://www.vidd.us/downloads | 01:26 |
| silvertip257 | who made it? ;) | 01:27 |
| vidd | ubunti did | 01:27 |
| silvertip257 | did you mean to put an "i" there? | 01:27 |
| vidd | no | 01:27 |
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| silvertip257 | k | 01:27 |
| axelm7 | silvertip, the media is fine, it is passing the media check | 01:28 |
| silvertip257 | ok good axel | 01:28 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: in the archives? | 01:28 |
| silvertip257 | how come they dont make it obvious to people? I have never found it or heard of it | 01:29 |
| vidd | yeah... archives.ubuntu.com | 01:29 |
| vidd | who knows? i think it is the best thing ever | 01:29 |
| silvertip257 | yes I agree | 01:29 |
| vidd | i even dug up the gutsy version | 01:30 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: idk where to look | 01:30 |
| silvertip257 | no "s" by the way | 01:31 |
| vidd | did you look @ my page? | 01:33 |
| silvertip257 | but I wanna know where it <originally> came from ;P | 01:34 |
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| axelm7 | crap, I hate old obsolete hardware. The RAM on this machine is probably bad, or the IDE controller or the IDE cable. I am getting all sorts of weird errors | 01:35 |
| vidd | silvertip257, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 01:35 |
| silvertip257 | thank you very much - interesting | 01:36 |
| silvertip257 | ah nice I'm going to book mark that - neato, too bad it doesn't seem more obvious from the ubuntu page | 01:37 |
| vidd | and gutsy.....http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 01:38 |
| silvertip257 | yep similar dir path | 01:40 |
| vidd | i will be periodically updating the image on my page as updates are made | 01:41 |
| silvertip257 | cool | 01:41 |
| vidd | with the mini, the kernel version on the disk must match what is in the repo's...otherwise it wont install | 01:42 |
| axelm7 | found the problem :) the cd reader was bad. I put another CD reader and it is booting now :) | 01:48 |
| axelm7 | it takes FOREVER to boot on this machine from the livecd | 01:51 |
| vidd | that is because it has to load the entire os in ram | 01:51 |
| axelm7 | lol, it is such a lame pc, i am doing this only because it's my father in law's pc. I would have torched this pc otherwise | 01:51 |
| axelm7 | a nice bucket of kerosene and a match | 01:52 |
| vidd | it would be a decent server | 01:52 |
| axelm7 | just to make sure nobody else is tortured with this garbage | 01:52 |
| axelm7 | i use a p2 333 384mb 80gb as a server here at home | 01:53 |
| axelm7 | a p1 is just too old | 01:53 |
| vidd | all depends on what your using it for | 01:53 |
| vidd | i can make an 80-386 into a halfway decent printer server! | 01:54 |
| axelm7 | openbsd on this machine would work fine as a router | 01:54 |
| silvertip257 | you've got a P1 still ? | 01:54 |
| silvertip257 | me 2 | 01:54 |
| axelm7 | a garbage hand me down pc | 01:54 |
| silvertip257 | a couple if the 2nd one still works ;) | 01:54 |
| silvertip257 | same here | 01:54 |
| silvertip257 | only thing I could run on it was DSL / puppy | 01:55 |
| axelm7 | i also have a p2 333, an athlon xp 2.5 and a inspiron 1200 laptop with 1.25 GB RAM | 01:55 |
| silvertip257 | nice | 01:55 |
| silvertip257 | I wanna build one soon - a desktop | 01:55 |
| axelm7 | I haven't bought dual core yet for home. I have one at the office and I don't notice that much difference for what I do | 01:56 |
| silvertip257 | is it your own business ? | 01:56 |
| axelm7 | i am a partner there | 01:56 |
| silvertip257 | ah | 01:56 |
| vidd | what kind of business? | 01:57 |
| axelm7 | fuel retail automation software+hardware+consulting | 01:57 |
| silvertip257 | I'm trying to learn how to make custom live cds ... anyone wanna help ;) ... (w/o UCK / Reconstructor) | 01:57 |
| axelm7 | basically controlling fuel at a service station | 01:57 |
| axelm7 | point of sale, payment, credit card transactions, etc | 01:58 |
| silvertip257 | using what kinda software? | 01:58 |
| axelm7 | the customer is using VeriFone Sapphire software | 01:58 |
| axelm7 | plus some stuff written by me | 01:59 |
| axelm7 | c++ on embedded SOC | 01:59 |
| silvertip257 | ah | 02:00 |
| axelm7 | silvertip, what do u d | 02:01 |
| axelm7 | o | 02:01 |
| silvertip257 | lol I'm still a student | 02:02 |
| silvertip257 | but I'm working for a credit union doing helpdesk / pcsupport | 02:02 |
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| axelm7 | can u believe the live cd is still booting | 02:03 |
| axelm7 | it's been 45 mins | 02:03 |
| silvertip257 | can anyone direct me 2 someone who knows how to make custom live cds? | 02:03 |
| vidd | dont surprise me at all | 02:03 |
| silvertip257 | on a P1 you deserve it! try dsl or puppy maybe ;) | 02:04 |
| axelm7 | i hope that once i install it on the hd it boots faster | 02:04 |
| vidd | axelm7, i WOULD be surprised if the live cd completed booting | 02:04 |
| silvertip257 | not by much man | 02:04 |
| silvertip257 | from my personal experience | 02:04 |
| axelm7 | the user does not speak english, dsl is not an option | 02:04 |
| axelm7 | and he is not computer savy, so forget dsl | 02:05 |
| silvertip257 | it's a big pain on my p1 w/ decent amnt of ram for the time period | 02:05 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:05 |
| silvertip257 | dsl isn't that bad ;) | 02:05 |
| silvertip257 | but you've got a pt | 02:05 |
| axelm7 | this pc was booting xp sp2 in under 5 mins | 02:05 |
| vidd | im telling you....the alt cd is the way to go with that pc | 02:05 |
| axelm7 | firefox2 and ie7 were working pretty well, so was windows live messenger | 02:06 |
| silvertip257 | wow axelm7 ... did you hack it that bad? | 02:06 |
| silvertip257 | are you sure ... P1 ? | 02:06 |
| axelm7 | yup, killed all the useless services | 02:06 |
| silvertip257 | how much ram -- what specs ? | 02:06 |
| silvertip257 | oh | 02:06 |
| axelm7 | 128 MB | 02:06 |
| silvertip257 | same as the one i've got | 02:06 |
| axelm7 | 8 gn hd | 02:06 |
| axelm7 | 8 GB HD | 02:07 |
| silvertip257 | less on the one 've got | 02:07 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: do you know how to use "tar" correctly? | 02:07 |
| axelm7 | configured the ADSL to act as router so i got rid of the pppoe part | 02:07 |
| silvertip257 | will you check a phrase for me? | 02:07 |
| vidd | sure | 02:07 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:07 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: " tar -zcvfp /mnt/sda1/debian/deb4.0_netinst-base.tar.gz . " ... something can't be right though | 02:08 |
| axelm7 | vidd, why do you say the alt cd will boot faster? will the installation from altcd be different then if i install from the live cd? | 02:08 |
| silvertip257 | installation will be no different | 02:08 |
| silvertip257 | final OS I mean | 02:08 |
| vidd | right on the web site: To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install | 02:09 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: my current dir is a partition I mounted w/ my deb OS - /mnt/hda5 | 02:09 |
| vidd | trying to untar? | 02:09 |
| silvertip257 | no create an archive & compress a lil | 02:10 |
| silvertip257 | am I using the wrong parameter ... z ? ... I forget ugh | 02:10 |
| vidd | did you man tar ? | 02:10 |
| silvertip257 | yes | 02:11 |
| silvertip257 | but looked & nothign | 02:11 |
| vidd | axelm7, you dont have enough ram to run the live cd | 02:11 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: it says my path-to-tarfile doesn't exist ... | 02:11 |
| axelm7 | vidd, I am waiting for the alt cd to finish downloading. Meanwhile I will let the live CD to continue booting | 02:12 |
| axelm7 | bye guys, I am going to have dinner (Spanish seafood) | 02:12 |
| vidd | silvertip257, did you use tab-completion to get the path to file? | 02:12 |
| axelm7 | thanks | 02:12 |
| silvertip257 | yes vidd ... i love that ! | 02:12 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: umm ... tell me if I understand it correctly | 02:15 |
| vidd | one minute | 02:15 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:16 |
| vidd | tar -cvvf NameForFile.tar /path/to/file (or replace /file with /directory/) | 02:18 |
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| vidd | silvertip257, that work for ya? | 02:21 |
| silvertip257 | no - well that's what I'm doing | 02:21 |
| silvertip257 | tar-file /dir/to/be/backedup | 02:22 |
| vidd | tar -options fileName /dir/to/be/backedUp/ | 02:23 |
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| silvertip257 | yes | 02:25 |
| vidd | you need the "/" at the end if it is a directory you are trying to zip | 02:25 |
| vidd | if it is a file, then no "/" at the end | 02:26 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:26 |
| silvertip257 | but if I make a dir my current one then I use a period right? | 02:26 |
| vidd | no | 02:26 |
| silvertip257 | what?! | 02:27 |
| silvertip257 | hmm - can't remember how I did it in my big script a few months ago | 02:27 |
| vidd | lets say you want to compress /home/vidd/directory/ | 02:28 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:28 |
| vidd | you can cd to /home/vidd..... | 02:28 |
| vidd | then tar -cvvf directory.tar directory/ | 02:29 |
| vidd | or... tar -cvvf directory.tar /home/vidd/directory/ | 02:30 |
| silvertip257 | oh hmm | 02:30 |
| silvertip257 | I read somewhere you always have a "." at the end for some reason | 02:30 |
| vidd | for a script...yeah | 02:30 |
| silvertip257 | hmm | 02:31 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:31 |
| silvertip257 | dur that's why maybe | 02:31 |
| vidd | but that is dependent on the scripting language | 02:31 |
| silvertip257 | lemme try some small dir | 02:31 |
| vidd | survey says? | 02:35 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: why does it say - Cannot stat: No such file or directory ? | 02:36 |
| silvertip257 | it's referring to my tar file I wanna create | 02:36 |
| vidd | paste the command you typed | 02:37 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:37 |
| silvertip257 | tar -zcvfp /mnt/sda1/debian/test.tar.gz /mnt/hda5/bin/ | 02:37 |
| silvertip257 | it's the "/mnt/sda1/debian/test.tar.gz" that is getting the msg | 02:38 |
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| vidd | tar cannot make a .tar.gz file | 02:39 |
| silvertip257 | vidd how come? | 02:39 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: here's my ref for this stuff - just found my bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR | 02:40 |
| vidd | the .gz comes from running gzip on the tar file | 02:40 |
| silvertip257 | yes | 02:40 |
| vidd | you might want to cd to /mnt/sda1/debian | 02:41 |
| vidd | then run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin | 02:42 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:42 |
| vidd | you need sudo because there are root owned files in /bin | 02:42 |
| vidd | then run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin/ | 02:42 |
| vidd | dont forget the / at the end! | 02:43 |
| silvertip257 | nothing in that dir now .. | 02:43 |
| silvertip257 | wasn't before either | 02:43 |
| vidd | nothing in the /bin/ dir? | 02:43 |
| silvertip257 | no | 02:43 |
| silvertip257 | nothing in the /mnt/sda1/debian (backup dir) | 02:43 |
| vidd | no WONDER you are having issues! | 02:43 |
| vidd | oh | 02:44 |
| silvertip257 | huh? | 02:44 |
| vidd | does the directory exist? | 02:44 |
| silvertip257 | yes | 02:44 |
| silvertip257 | i have my ext drive mounted & that dir is on it | 02:44 |
| vidd | ok...cd to the dir where you want the tar to end up... | 02:44 |
| silvertip257 | ok i'm there | 02:44 |
| vidd | run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin/ | 02:45 |
| silvertip257 | yup that' swhat i'm doing ... i will try once mroe | 02:45 |
| silvertip257 | *more | 02:45 |
| silvertip257 | why cvvf ? | 02:45 |
| silvertip257 | instead of -zcvfp ? | 02:45 |
| vidd | those are the options i always use, and it never fails | 02:45 |
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| silvertip257 | oh | 02:46 |
| vidd | i dont know what -z and -p are for | 02:46 |
| vidd | but i know you need 2 v's | 02:46 |
| silvertip257 | cannot stat the test file | 02:46 |
| silvertip257 | test.tar.gz | 02:46 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: z is for gzip compression and p is to preserve permissions | 02:47 |
| vidd | are you still putting .gz at the end? | 02:47 |
| silvertip257 | yes | 02:47 |
| vidd | the -z is for UNtar'ing | 02:47 |
| silvertip257 | ooops | 02:47 |
| silvertip257 | no X is | 02:47 |
| vidd | lose the -z | 02:48 |
| silvertip257 | but maybe since it's giving me that error ... | 02:48 |
| vidd | and the .gz | 02:48 |
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| silvertip257 | z - compress the backup file with 'gzip' to make it smaller | 02:48 |
| vidd | better to just run gzip on if after it actually works | 02:49 |
| silvertip257 | will try w/o it | 02:49 |
| silvertip257 | no luck | 02:49 |
| vidd | are you including the sudo? | 02:49 |
| silvertip257 | I'm root | 02:50 |
| silvertip257 | ! | 02:50 |
| silvertip257 | well I sudo-ed | 02:50 |
| vidd | do you have write permissions on the drive you are righting to? | 02:50 |
| silvertip257 | how do I check that? | 02:51 |
| silvertip257 | I'm root though .. | 02:51 |
| vidd | but if /mnt/sda1/debian/ is read only...it dont matter WHO you are...GOD cant write on a read-only file system | 02:52 |
| silvertip257 | ughh | 02:52 |
| silvertip257 | ok how do I check that? / change it? | 02:52 |
| vidd | open it in thunar (or your file manager of choice) and check it's permissions | 02:53 |
| silvertip257 | ok | 02:53 |
| vidd | if it is mounted in RO, you need to UMOUNT it and re mount it in RW mode | 02:54 |
| silvertip257 | ok eerrrr RO | 02:55 |
| silvertip257 | f-ck d-mmit | 02:55 |
| vidd | so it's read only? | 02:56 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: thank you for being so patient and not yet killing me for that | 02:56 |
| silvertip257 | will now try it | 02:57 |
| vidd | so maybe your options will work! | 02:57 |
| vidd | its just different from my method | 02:57 |
| silvertip257 | i hope so ... >:O | 02:58 |
| silvertip257 | well the light on my ext-drive is flashing, so it must be writing | 02:58 |
| vidd | that is promising | 02:59 |
| silvertip257 | but it did it the last time on one of the methods.. | 03:00 |
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| vidd | yeah...but it didnt fail yet | 03:00 |
| vidd | THAT is what is promising! | 03:01 |
| silvertip257 | right | 03:01 |
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| vidd | silvertip257, did it take? | 03:19 |
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| silvertip257 | still working | 03:19 |
| silvertip257 | ;) | 03:19 |
| silvertip257 | but no error | 03:19 |
| vidd | then with that...good night | 03:20 |
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| silvertip257 | looks like yes vidd | 03:29 |
| silvertip257 | lemme run the -t param on it | 03:29 |
| silvertip257 | let's look it up first ;) | 03:29 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: do you inventory your tar files with -t at all ? | 03:39 |
| silvertip257 | nvm ... i'm out later | 03:42 |
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| === Topic for #xubuntu: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Downloads: http://xubuntu.org/get | ||
| === Topic (#xubuntu): set by Pumpernickel at Sun May 20 02:21:34 2007 | ||
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: you're here? | 10:54 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: no | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: I'm here | 10:58 |
| hyper_ch | you're the rTorrent pro right? | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | no | 10:58 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: I thought you're using it | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: well yes, from time to time | 10:59 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: but I don't play with it | 10:59 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: oh ok... I just had a small look at it and a few questions still remain unanswered :) I thought you may help | 10:59 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: if not me, then maybe someone else | 11:00 |
| TheSheep | !ask | hyper_ch | 11:00 |
| ubotu | hyper_ch: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 11:00 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: :) anyway, I just added for testing reasons a torrent that I share... | 11:00 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: I didn't start downloading but then exited rTorrent... restarted it... but it was not listed anymore... why so? | 11:00 |
| hyper_ch | question2: is there a way to select only certain files from the torrent to download and not all of them? | 11:01 |
| hyper_ch | question3: can you create new torrents with rtorrent - if so, how? | 11:01 |
| hyper_ch | question4: is there a way to say where the files should be saved to? Like not all into the same directory? | 11:02 |
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| Gabz | is there a smaller browsers than firefox... it loads too slow for xubuntu ? | 11:03 |
| hyper_ch | Gabz: epiphany | 11:04 |
| hyper_ch | kazehakase | 11:04 |
| hyper_ch | lynx (command line) | 11:04 |
| Gabz | lynx hmm something with a gui still would be nice | 11:05 |
| hyper_ch | the other two are gui | 11:05 |
| TheSheep | Gabz: opra, dillo | 11:05 |
| TheSheep | Gabz: opera I mean | 11:05 |
| hyper_ch | Gabz: open synaptic and search for "browser" and you will be presented quite a few | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | maybe even swiftfox? | 11:06 |
| Gabz | yeah but since i was after something small i figured i would ask to so i have a better starting point | 11:06 |
| Gabz | i'll have to install acouple and see which loads fastests | 11:07 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: I don't know the answers, I know you can download single files with rtorrent for sure, but never tried, I think you can change the place where the file is going to be saved, but don't know how either. You can configure the default saving directory in the config file. | 11:07 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: yeah, saw that about the default saving directory :) btw, where are the .torrent files being stored? | 11:08 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: oh... stupid question... I was jus thinking of ktorrent again ;) | 11:08 |
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| TheSheep | hyper_ch: I'm sure their website has some docs | 11:09 |
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| hyper_ch | TheSheep: I'll have a look at it :) | 11:09 |
| hyper_ch | so, I need to put now stuff into boxes :( | 11:10 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: moving, eh? | 11:10 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: yeah | 11:11 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: moving sux... but the new appartment is great ;) | 11:11 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: gotta run for the bus, see you tomorrow | 11:12 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: good luck with moving | 11:12 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: thx and cya | 11:13 |
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| axelm7 | hi, I have just finished installing xubuntu 7.04. What is the best graphical package manager? I am not used to Debian style distributions, since I am a Fedora user. | 11:38 |
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| Evergete | axelm7, synaptic, imho | 11:41 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: synaptic it is... but the command line is very simple to and allows you to write auto-downlaod and install script | 11:41 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: that makes a reinstall quite quick ;) | 11:42 |
| axelm7 | this pc is for my father in law, updates have to be automatic and package installs have to be graphical | 11:44 |
| Evergete | the easiest way (for dummies, i think) is to go to system > add remove, is more semplified than synaptic | 11:45 |
| axelm7 | I have to say that on this old pc with 128 MB RAM, xp sp2 runs faster than xubuntu. I have not disactivated the unnecessary services yet, maybe that's my prob | 11:46 |
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| axelm7 | I activated compositing just to see what would happen and now the system locks up when it boots. Numlock is not working, ctrl alt backspace is not working. Is there a safe mode? | 11:56 |
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| axelm7 | ok, after about an hour of using xubuntu 7.04 on a very low end machine, I have to say that xp sp2 runs much faster on this hardware | 12:59 |
| axelm7 | I can see firefox-bin using 45% cpu and xfce-taskmanager using 16-24%. These are constant values | 01:01 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: just install a few things on xp and it will crawl | 01:04 |
| axelm7 | I am not defending xp at all, I am just giving my feedback | 01:07 |
| axelm7 | this same machine was running xp with ie7 and firefox. www surfing was reasonable. on xubuntu it is not | 01:07 |
| axelm7 | I don't know if adobe flash plugin is eating way too much cpu | 01:08 |
| axelm7 | xfce-taskmanager is always at 20-50% cpu. what is this process? a message dispatcher in xfce? | 01:09 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: I'm just saying if you install the same amount of stuff that you get with xubuntu then xp is slower ;) | 01:09 |
| axelm7 | maybe I can reduce the amount of eye candy (?) to make screen rendering faster | 01:09 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: man xfce-taskmanager | 01:10 |
| axelm7 | lol, xfce-taskmanager is the task that is showing me how much cpu each process is consuming. | 01:11 |
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| OculusAquilae | hi | 01:12 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: I would use "top" or "htop" | 01:12 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: hiho, did it work with the theme/style? | 01:13 |
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| hyper_ch | g'day Jesta | 01:13 |
| axelm7 | X is eating up to 50% CPU. I guess that copying bytes for the frame buffer is slow | 01:13 |
| Jesta | hey | 01:13 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: Adelaide? | 01:14 |
| Jesta | melbourne | 01:14 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: iieeeks | 01:14 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: now I know what you wanted to describe :) | 01:14 |
| hyper_ch | Victorians... ;) | 01:14 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: but it is a different error | 01:14 |
| Jesta | :P | 01:14 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: who won footy this year? | 01:15 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: file:///media/disk/error_ooo.png -- I meant the windeco, not the style | 01:15 |
| OculusAquilae | sorry | 01:15 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: unfortunately I can't receive any here ;( | 01:15 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: file:///media/disk/error_ooo.png | 01:15 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: http://oculusaquilae.de/xubuntu/error_ooo.png -- damn copy and paste | 01:15 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: well, hmm.... no clue then... when you said missing icons this happened to me once because I lacked an installed style | 01:15 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: afl? | 01:15 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: yeah | 01:16 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: thanks anyway | 01:16 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: just open a document | 01:16 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: then the stuff appears | 01:16 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: not finished yet, but looks like geelong will finish on top and possibly go all the way | 01:16 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: thx :) /me misses Vegemite | 01:17 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: look at the decoration, I is the same with any opened document | 01:17 |
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| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: what do you mean by decoration? | 01:17 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: the bar on top of the window | 01:17 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: what about them? | 01:18 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: and the frame around it | 01:18 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: ah... hmmm... no clue | 01:18 |
| OculusAquilae | i don't have this error in abiword, but this can't print in landscape mode | 01:18 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: I thought you had a OOo problem | 01:18 |
| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: it is only with OOo, not with gimp, firefox, abiword or any other program | 01:19 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: strange... you're on Gutsy? | 01:20 |
| OculusAquilae | no, it's feisty | 01:20 |
| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: strange... maybe remove OOo completely with a purge and reinstallit | 01:20 |
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| OculusAquilae | hyper_ch: hm, it was from the beginning of my installation and I think the problem is the window manager, but I will try this next time | 01:22 |
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| hyper_ch | OculusAquilae: no clue :( | 01:22 |
| OculusAquilae | maybe I'll replace both with koffice | 01:23 |
| hyper_ch | OOo is great | 01:23 |
| OculusAquilae | but slow on this machine, 466 MHz Celeron and 128MB RAM | 01:24 |
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| OculusAquilae | Another problem: Some translations are missing. Is there a solution for this problem in gutsy? | 01:26 |
| axelm7 | hyper_ch: what is OOo? | 01:26 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: OpenOffice.org | 01:27 |
| OculusAquilae | axelm7: OpenOffice.org | 01:27 |
| axelm7 | oh, ok | 01:27 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: Go Adelaid Crows, Go | 01:27 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: come on melbourne! | 01:30 |
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| hyper_ch | Jesta: damn, it's been already 10 years since my year in Down Under ;( | 01:31 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: where are you now? | 01:32 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: back in Switzerland | 01:33 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: not footy on tv here :( | 01:33 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: and soccer isn't half as interesting | 01:33 |
| axelm7 | hyper_ch: how do I enable automatic package updates. is there a daemon for apt-get? | 01:33 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: philistines :P | 01:33 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: make a cron entry | 01:34 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: philistines? | 01:34 |
| axelm7 | hyper_ch: isn't there a preconfigured service that will do that? | 01:36 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: a smug, ignorant and normally boureoise classified as being ingnorant or opposed to cultural values :P was in jest | 01:36 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: no clue... I configure my services myself | 01:36 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: ah :) but then... I still wonder how one can watch cricket... even worse if there's test runs... | 01:37 |
| axelm7 | hyper_ch: oh... I see | 01:37 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: we put ourselves through the pain for the good of the country ;-) | 01:38 |
| hyper_ch | axelm7: but making a cron is simple | 01:38 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: lol ;) vegemite, real bbqs and footy is what I miss terribly here | 01:38 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: and of course some australian cuties ;) | 01:39 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: I feel your pain.....;-) | 01:39 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: how comes victorians have that snobby accent? ;) | 01:40 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: to make ourselves seem better then the /shudder sydneysiders :P | 01:41 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: ;) | 01:42 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: that's a good response | 01:42 |
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| Jesta | hyper_ch: you wouldn't have got something half as good out of someone from any other city :P | 01:42 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: specially hobart | 01:43 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: damn, I miss Australia ;( | 01:43 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: who doesn't - even people who haven't been here I reckon :P | 01:44 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: /national pride | 01:44 |
| hyper_ch | no pasties at lunch here | 01:45 |
| Jesta | I thinking of building a file server, would xubuntu be good for this type of thing? | 01:45 |
| Jesta | I'm* | 01:45 |
| hyper_ch | I tend to go for a server still to use debian | 01:46 |
| hyper_ch | and no gui | 01:46 |
| Jesta | I was only thinking xubuntu because of the linux fileserver article I read on bit-tech.net | 01:47 |
| Jesta | in which they used xubuntu | 01:47 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: well, first of all, if you want to operate a server you don't need a gui | 01:47 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: a gui is a waste of resources ;) | 01:47 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: and then, debian and ubuntu are quite similar... ubuntu is an offspring from debian and debian is known to provide rock-stable software | 01:48 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: hence my preference for debian over ubuntu as server | 01:48 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: but then, you say you want a "fileserver"... what do you want it do to exactely? | 01:49 |
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| Jesta | hyper_ch: It would be headless, so I would remote admin it - but basiclly, it would have a partition for each user would would backup/save their stuff to it. It would then have partitions that everyone can access eg Music, Setup Files, Movies etc. The users would all be using windows | 01:50 |
| Jesta | for each user *who | 01:50 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: sounds like a job for samba | 01:50 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: thats what I was thinking | 01:51 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: and you don't need a gui for it... so xubuntu has no server edition... only ubuntu does... can you point out that article for me? | 01:51 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: part one http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/05/build_your_own_server/1 | 01:52 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: part two http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/07/24/build_your_own_better_server/2 | 01:52 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: you don't need xubuntu | 01:54 |
| hyper_ch | I'd use the debian install or ubuntu server install | 01:55 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: I'm out for a little while but then I'm back | 01:55 |
| Jesta | hyper_ch: ok | 01:55 |
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| axelm7 | hi, what package do I need if I want to play mp3 files? | 02:40 |
| axelm7 | this is a fresh install of xubuntu 7.04 | 02:40 |
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| hyper_ch | Jesta: still here? | 02:54 |
| hyper_ch | !restricted | axelm7 | 02:55 |
| ubotu | axelm7: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 02:55 |
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| Jesta | hyper_ch: sorry, wasn't watching :P | 03:16 |
| hyper_ch | so, decided on whether you want to do a gui install or server install? | 03:17 |
| Jesta | probably go with ubuntu server | 03:17 |
| Jesta | just gotta read up on it now ;) | 03:17 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: it's not a big difference... but still I'd go for debian... so did you already download a ubuntu server cd? | 03:19 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: and by the way, you want the whole computer to dedicate as file server right? And if so, how many harddisks do you have in there? | 03:19 |
| Jesta | not yet, dosen't matter anyway because my ISP mirrors almost every big distro | 03:19 |
| Jesta | at the moment I only have one, but should be picking up a few more soon | 03:20 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: how big is the current one? | 03:21 |
| hyper_ch | and you do have two different computers, right? the one that will be the file server and anoter one? | 03:21 |
| Jesta | just an 80gb drive at the moment, its an old computer so will need to get more - and 5 computers will acess it | 03:22 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: how much ram? | 03:22 |
| Jesta | 384 | 03:23 |
| Jesta | i think | 03:23 |
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| Jesta | its something weird like that | 03:24 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: could be... then I would suggest the following partitioning | 03:24 |
| hyper_ch | 1 GB swap partition | 03:24 |
| evge | Is there any way to use keyboard shortcut to switch keyboard layout ? | 03:24 |
| hyper_ch | 4 GB root partition ("/") Ext3 | 03:24 |
| hyper_ch | rest home partition ("/home") Ext3 | 03:25 |
| hyper_ch | evge: hmmm, sure you could setup that somehow.... worst case would be to make a shortcut that runs a shell script | 03:25 |
| Jesta | alright, thanks for your help, I'll try debian as well :D | 03:25 |
| Jesta | I'm off to bed now, later everyone | 03:26 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: well, ubuntu server is fine... just debian has been proven to be rock-stable as a server | 03:26 |
| hyper_ch | Jesta: when you install the server, just don't select anything additional... make it as minmal as possible | 03:26 |
| hyper_ch | oh well | 03:26 |
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| axelm7 | question, is there a dyndns package in the ubuntu distro? | 03:46 |
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| hyper_ch | axelm7: apt-cache search dyndns | 03:53 |
| boarder-winterma | hello i have a maybe simple probblem but i am too stupid to solve it :/ i exited my xfce-4 tray and want it back hwo to do this? | 03:54 |
| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: what did you exit exactely? | 04:04 |
| axelm7 | apparently what makes this pc so slow is font anti aliasing and hinting, but if I disable it the fonts are horrible | 04:04 |
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| boarder-winterma | i think i exited the program in the top right corner in the taskbar | 04:05 |
| boarder-winterma | or i think so ... | 04:05 |
| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: hmmm, you ahve any unsaved work still open? | 04:05 |
| boarder-winterma | no | 04:05 |
| boarder-winterma | but i already restarted and the error keeps | 04:06 |
| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: oh... so ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't help ;( | 04:06 |
| boarder-winterma | no | 04:06 |
| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: can you make a screen shot and put it online? I have no clue what exactely you have closed | 04:06 |
| boarder-winterma | unfortunately | 04:06 |
| boarder-winterma | if i push x in amarok the amaroksymbol should gi in tray ... yesterday it was then in taskbar where i could push on it and amarok rearrived but today if i minimize amarok the symbol is not there... | 04:08 |
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| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: hmmm, you could try to create a new user, login as that one... and then copy his xfce config files to your current user | 04:10 |
| boarder-winterma | oO | 04:10 |
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| boarder-winterma | how to do this? | 04:10 |
| hyper_ch | you still have the applications menu? | 04:10 |
| boarder-winterma | yes | 04:12 |
| boarder-winterma | only the tray is missing | 04:12 |
| boarder-winterma | little icon | 04:12 |
| boarder-winterma | right top corner | 04:12 |
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| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: I dunno what you mean with tray | 04:12 |
| hyper_ch | boarder-winterma: ah, the system tray | 04:12 |
| boarder-winterma | yeah | 04:13 |
| hyper_ch | right-click on the bar | 04:13 |
| hyper_ch | select "add new item" | 04:13 |
| hyper_ch | and then select system tray | 04:13 |
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| boarder-winterma | ugh i need the german word for system tay :/ | 04:13 |
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| hyper_ch | das weisse, schwarz umrandete "i" | 04:15 |
| boarder-winterma | aha i got it :) | 04:16 |
| boarder-winterma | thank you | 04:16 |
| boarder-winterma | it is back :) | 04:16 |
| boarder-winterma | now i have to put it in the top right corner ;) | 04:16 |
| hyper_ch | right-click it and select "move" | 04:16 |
| boarder-winterma | thanks it workd | 04:17 |
| boarder-winterma | it is back :) | 04:17 |
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| silvertip257 | anyone awake? | 04:50 |
| zials | o.o | 04:51 |
| silvertip257 | heh | 04:51 |
| silvertip257 | when I run my tar command it fails because of previous errors (none of which it lists) | 04:51 |
| silvertip257 | wait | 04:52 |
| silvertip257 | it can't stat the tar file I wanna create | 04:52 |
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| vidd | hello silvertip257 | 04:59 |
| vidd | so all that work last night ended in failure? | 04:59 |
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| silvertip257 | vidd: idk ... it seemed to work | 05:05 |
| silvertip257 | but now it's shiaaty again | 05:05 |
| silvertip257 | running off live cds to back it up | 05:06 |
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| vidd | remember to make sure you have write access where you are trying to save the data | 05:08 |
| vidd | or...save the tar files right on your desktop and then move them to the destination directory using thunar or the mv command | 05:09 |
| vidd | (or cp to make sure it is successful, then rm the files after confirmation) | 05:10 |
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| silvertip257 | well I got it vidd :: I'm a dumba$5 | 05:19 |
| silvertip257 | vidd: the -p option is only for restoring it --- I was confused .. | 05:19 |
| silvertip257 | ty for all your help vidd | 05:20 |
| silvertip257 | later | 05:20 |
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| Ochi | Hello everyone | 06:42 |
| Ochi | I've got a problem with a xubuntu Feisty installation on a RAID-1. Fsck seems to try to check not only the RAID devices but also individual partitions which are the RAID members. Is anyone else experiencing issues with RAID installations? | 06:43 |
| Ochi | ...which obviously fails if those partitions are already part of a started RAID. In general I dislike checkfs checking the individual partitions and not the RAID as a whole ^^ | 06:46 |
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| DaBeowulf | What's the easiest and most lightweight solution to play XviD decoded avi files in xubuntu? | 06:55 |
| Ochi | Have you tried VLC? | 06:56 |
| DaBeowulf | !info VLC | 07:03 |
| ubotu | vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB | 07:03 |
| DaBeowulf | Thanks I'll check that. | 07:04 |
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| neclimdul | i was trying xubuntu as an option for an old 440cdx laptop i had laying around. when its shows a bunch of Buffer I/O errors and then like 10min later it stops on an odd shell. | 07:31 |
| neclimdul | anyone have any pointers for getting the installer running? | 07:31 |
| vidd | neclimdul, live or alt cd? | 07:34 |
| neclimdul | checking | 07:34 |
| neclimdul | xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso | 07:35 |
| vidd | so that is the live cd | 07:35 |
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| neclimdul | oh.... | 07:37 |
| === neclimdul notices the installing with less that 128m of RAM not on the alternate cd list | ||
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| megaproxy | herro | 07:38 |
| neclimdul | vidd: is that going to be a problem post install with xubuntu? | 07:38 |
| vidd | no | 07:39 |
| megaproxy | is there a way to install xubuntu over the net, and in windows | 07:39 |
| megaproxy | i dont have a cd burner... | 07:39 |
| vidd | megaproxy, not that i know of | 07:40 |
| megaproxy | damnit | 07:40 |
| megaproxy | >.< | 07:40 |
| megaproxy | how about downloading and moutning it in a thing like deamontools | 07:40 |
| megaproxy | can you install it that way? or do i need to do the full shading and format n shiddy | 07:40 |
| vidd | but there is a method to install using usb | 07:40 |
| megaproxy | usb? | 07:41 |
| megaproxy | my only usb drive is 258 :( | 07:41 |
| vidd | and? | 07:41 |
| megaproxy | how big is the instal.? | 07:41 |
| vidd | i think like 10 meg | 07:41 |
| megaproxy | :OL | 07:41 |
| megaproxy | wtf? | 07:41 |
| megaproxy | 10mb for a OS? | 07:41 |
| vidd | no...for the net installer | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | OH | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | i get ya | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | so if i dl that | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | then boot the installer? | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | it will dl it and install? | 07:42 |
| vidd | yep | 07:42 |
| neclimdul | DSL is 50M :P linux gets small. | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | sweet! | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | how do i do that then? | 07:42 |
| vidd | IDK...i just know it is an option | 07:42 |
| megaproxy | hmm | 07:43 |
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| megaproxy | RAM: Used: 224/256MB | 07:44 |
| megaproxy | gdgd | 07:44 |
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| BFTD | hallo! | 07:48 |
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| BlackDiamonds | Guys, if I use (K)(X)(U)buntu is it possible for me to have the latest and greatest software ? | 08:52 |
| BlackDiamonds | like if a new version of AmaroK is released today when would I be able to expect it in the repos ? | 08:53 |
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| BlackDiamonds | ubuntu | 08:56 |
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| foreman | hey | 09:44 |
| hyper_ch | no | 09:44 |
| rokra | someone know a packages to modify tcp headers? | 09:45 |
| hyper_ch | why should one want to do that? | 09:45 |
| rokra | to check a spoof on my internal network | 09:46 |
| hyper_ch | rokra: no clue | 09:47 |
| foreman | i've been trying to install xubuntu on a couple of old g3 imacs, resorted to the alternate install cd, and it's been freezing at 85% | 09:47 |
| foreman | when it gets to installing the xubuntu desktop | 09:47 |
| hyper_ch | can ubuntu be installed there? I think they have a different cpu architecture | 09:48 |
| foreman | yes, it's ppc rather than x86 | 09:49 |
| hyper_ch | oh, and there are ppc images? | 09:49 |
| foreman | yep | 09:49 |
| hyper_ch | one never stops learning | 09:50 |
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| xubu_ | anyone anyone around? | 10:04 |
| foreman | yeah | 10:04 |
| xubu_ | hey i was trying to follow this article http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=806&num=1 | 10:04 |
| xubu_ | its got a coiple lines of terminal code to install the new open source drivers with TV-Out | 10:05 |
| xubu_ | i get an error on git checkout origin/randr-1.2 | 10:05 |
| xubu_ | error: pathspec 'origin/randr-1.2' did not match any. | 10:06 |
| foreman | no idea dude, wouldn't know where to start, i'd suggest some more googling | 10:07 |
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| kiosk | anyone know of a free PC to Phone VOIP service? | 10:58 |
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| Cam0 | I just installed xubuntu-desktop on mu kubuntu box, but when I login using xfce for the session from kdm, i only get some screen distortion after the kdm login window closes. anyone know what i can do to fix this? | 12:14 |
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| Cam0 | apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop ?? | 12:23 |
| hyper_ch | Cam0: you want to get rid of kubuntu? | 12:24 |
| Cam0 | no | 12:24 |
| Cam0 | not until i get xfce working anyways | 12:25 |
| hyper_ch | completely remove kubuntu incl. kdm and then installing xubuntu-desktop should do the job | 12:25 |
| Cam0 | cant they be installed side-by-side? | 12:25 |
| hyper_ch | they should be... worked fine for me when I tried on 6.06 | 12:26 |
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| Cam0 | well i guess its worth a shot | 12:27 |
| Cam0 | thnx hyper_ch | 12:27 |
| Lunis | my cats stepped on my keyboard and activated an onscreen keyboard that i can't close. how do i close it? >.> | 12:27 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: have a look at the settings | 12:27 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, that doesn't help at all actually | 12:28 |
| Lunis | there's a hotkey but i don't know what it is | 12:29 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: where are the hotkeys defined=? | 12:29 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, i don't know | 12:29 |
| Lunis | oh wait, are you being condescending? | 12:29 |
| Lunis | if you are, you can kindly shove it ;) | 12:30 |
| hyper_ch | if you explain what condescending mean | 12:30 |
| Lunis | ... | 12:30 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, if you know what the hotkey is, let me know, if not, you're not really helping anything. this is frustrating enough without people being dicks about things >.> | 12:31 |
| hyper_ch | do you know what a hotkey is? | 12:31 |
| hyper_ch | I'm trying to help and you call me a dick? | 12:31 |
| Lunis | yes, i know what a hotkey is. i'm not the idiot you seem to think i am. i simply don't know the hotkey to toggle this Godforsaken keyboard | 12:32 |
| hyper_ch | where did I point out that you are an idiot? | 12:32 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, i asked for a hotkey, and you asked me if i know what a hotkey is... that's acting like i'm an idiot | 12:34 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: you asked me first if I knew what it is... so you are acting like an idiot and I am just responding to it | 12:35 |
| foreman | i think hyper_ch is the idiot. | 12:35 |
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| hyper_ch | foreman: based on what? | 12:36 |
| foreman | based on your stupid responses | 12:36 |
| hyper_ch | foreman: why are they stupid? | 12:37 |
| foreman | so general and obscure it's no wonder they were interpreted as condescending. | 12:37 |
| hyper_ch | actually they aren't general at all ;) I just didn't tell do this or that but I wanted him to think... | 12:38 |
| hyper_ch | this implies that I actually did not think of him as an idiot but pointing where he needed to go | 12:38 |
| hyper_ch | however if he refuses it's up to him | 12:38 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, I didn't ask for your help thinking, I've been thinking about it for quite some time. This is a support channel, not a general guidance channel. Support or gtfo | 12:38 |
| foreman | srsly. | 12:38 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: I do support but I am not required to spoon-feed ;) | 12:39 |
| foreman | people like you make situations a lot more frustrating and never actually lead to any progress in the situation | 12:40 |
| hyper_ch | foreman: you think spoon-feeding is any better? | 12:40 |
| hyper_ch | foreman: you are welcome to tell him how to enable it again | 12:40 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, yes. stop assuming anyone who asks a question is an idiot, and give direct answers, or you're just making things harder | 12:40 |
| foreman | i think that people come here because they have scoured forums and googled enough that they resort to talking to people like you. | 12:40 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: giving direct answers assumes the other is an idition... pointing someone in a direction assumes the other is no idiot | 12:41 |
| foreman | you are an idiot. | 12:42 |
| foreman | direct enough? | 12:42 |
| hyper_ch | you should watch your language foreman | 12:42 |
| foreman | :) | 12:42 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, i'm not sure where you're from but that's not the case in the english speaking world. If you say "the hotkey is alt+j" then you assume i know what a hotkey is, what alt is, etc. if you say "look over here maybe you'll find something related" then you're assuming they're an idiot and they have to be stepped through. I know how to use XFCE. I know how to use unix. I know how to do alot of things but I don't know about some features. | 12:42 |
| Lunis | language? i think his language is perfectly clean | 12:43 |
| foreman | pls dont perma banz muh ip adrez from teh internets? | 12:43 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: you assumed first that I didn't know what a hotkey is... so I just did what you also did | 12:43 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: you think calling someone an idiot is perfectly clean? do that to your boss ;) | 12:43 |
| Lunis | hyper_ch, once again your intelligence shows. please let me know where exactly i said you don't know what a hotkey is? | 12:44 |
| hyper_ch | Lunis: you don't even remember? [00:31] <Lunis> hyper_ch, if you know what the hotkey is, let me know, if not, you're not really helping anything. | 12:44 |
| PriceChild | foreman, Lunis, lets calm down please :) | 12:44 |
| PriceChild | No need for personal attacks. "/msg ubotu guidelines" | 12:45 |
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| Lunis | meh, sorry Price | 12:45 |
| Lunis | people lacking general understanding and acting high-and-mighty make me a little unstable ;) | 12:45 |
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| foreman | lunis, i'm sorry we could not figure out the hot-key. | 12:56 |
| Lunis | foreman, i'm still looking for it, but i can't find the stupid thing | 12:56 |
| sighnus | xubuntu is great | 12:56 |
| Lunis | :D | 12:56 |
| sighnus | i lvoe its simplicity | 12:56 |
| Lunis | i love the compositioning | 12:57 |
| sighnus | i love the price too | 01:00 |
| Lunis | xP | 01:00 |
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