[12:38] <xubu> how can i get a list of my usb devices and thier uris
[12:43] <vidd> lsusb
[12:54] <axelm7> hello, I am installing xubuntu 7.0.4 right now. I have checked that the CD media is ok, and after starting the installation, it says /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off. Then it takes me to a busybox prompt and does not continue.
[12:54] <axelm7> what should I try next? install in safe text mode?
[12:55] <axelm7> on the bottom of the screen it says (initramfs) and I get a prompt there
[01:03] <axelm7> now I get a kernel panic :(
[01:10] <axelm7> my installation has aborted
[01:11] <axelm7> it says "checking file systems" [FAILED] 
[01:11] <axelm7> __tzfile_read: Assertion 'num_types == 1' failed
[01:12] <axelm7> an then the installer goes into maintenance mode and i get a bash prompt
[01:12] <axelm7> wtf is wrong?
[01:12] <axelm7> do i have to start with noacpi nousb or something like that?
[01:13] <vidd> try acpi=off
[01:13] <axelm7> where should I put that? on the grub command line?
[01:14] <vidd> didi the install complete? or is this while trying to install?
[01:14] <axelm7> while it was trying to start in safe graphics mode
[01:15] <axelm7> i did not reach the part where it gives me the option to install
[01:16] <vidd> then restart the installer....hit [esc[ then type  live acpi=off if using the live
[01:16] <axelm7> now I am starting again, but I pressed F6 and added acpi=off to the boot options
[01:17] <axelm7> it is trying to read from the floppy drive all the time
[01:17] <vidd> live cd?
[01:17] <axelm7> crap, failed again, busybox prompt
[01:17] <axelm7> livecd
[01:18] <axelm7> i am downloading alternate cd just in case
[01:18] <vidd> how much ram?
[01:18] <axelm7> 128
[01:18] <axelm7> i'll try the escape key
[01:19] <vidd> im not sure you can run the live cd with that little ram
[01:19] <axelm7> ok, now it is booting in text mode
[01:19] <silvertip257> is there a channel I should join to talk to any devs ?
[01:20] <vidd> #xubuntu-devel
[01:20] <silvertip257> ok thanks
[01:20] <axelm7> damn, graphics mode again, how do I get it to boot in text mode ONLY
[01:21] <vidd> you DONT
[01:21] <vidd> its a live cd...not the altcd
[01:21] <silvertip257> ;)
[01:22] <axelm7> aborted again. any other boot command I should try? live acpi=off...
[01:22] <silvertip257> vidd:  are you a dev?
[01:22] <vidd> no...throw that live cd in the trash
[01:22] <vidd> silvertip257, no
[01:22] <vidd> you need the alt
[01:22] <silvertip257> vidd:  ok ... seems like no one is there
[01:22] <axelm7> I'll keep it just in case ;)
[01:23] <axelm7> but i will burn the alt cd and try again
[01:23] <silvertip257> axelm7:  burn it at a slow speed -- as slow as 4x if you can!!!
[01:23] <silvertip257> ?
[01:23] <vidd> *iso
[01:23] <silvertip257> oh
[01:23] <silvertip257> what's that?
[01:24] <vidd> gets everything off the internet
[01:24] <silvertip257> oh netinstall ?
[01:24] <vidd> the image is <10  meg
[01:24] <silvertip257> xubuntu has one ?
[01:24] <silvertip257> do the rest ?
[01:25] <silvertip257> vidd ^^
[01:25] <vidd> it is agnostic...will install xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, LAMP, DNS, and minimal
[01:25] <silvertip257> where did ya get it?
[01:26] <vidd> you can dig it up in the archives...or just get it from my downloads page http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[01:27] <silvertip257> who made it? ;)
[01:27] <vidd> ubunti did
[01:27] <silvertip257> did you mean to put an "i" there?
[01:27] <vidd> no
[01:27] <silvertip257> k
[01:28] <axelm7> silvertip, the media is fine, it is passing the media check
[01:28] <silvertip257> ok good axel
[01:28] <silvertip257> vidd:  in the archives?
[01:29] <silvertip257> how come they dont make it obvious to people?  I have never found it or heard of it
[01:29] <vidd> yeah... archives.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <vidd> who knows? i think it is the best thing ever
[01:29] <silvertip257> yes I agree
[01:30] <vidd> i even dug up the gutsy version
[01:30] <silvertip257> vidd: idk where to look
[01:31] <silvertip257> no "s" by the way
[01:33] <vidd> did you look @ my page?
[01:34] <silvertip257> but I wanna know where it <originally> came from ;P
[01:35] <axelm7> crap, I hate old obsolete hardware. The RAM on this machine is probably bad, or the IDE controller or the IDE cable. I am getting all sorts of weird errors
[01:35] <vidd> silvertip257, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[01:36] <silvertip257> thank you very much - interesting
[01:37] <silvertip257> ah nice I'm going to book mark that - neato, too bad it doesn't seem more obvious from the ubuntu page
[01:38] <vidd> and gutsy.....http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[01:40] <silvertip257> yep similar dir path
[01:41] <vidd> i will be periodically updating the image on my page as updates are made
[01:41] <silvertip257> cool
[01:42] <vidd> with the mini, the kernel version on the disk must match what is in the repo's...otherwise it wont install
[01:48] <axelm7> found the problem :) the cd reader was bad. I put another CD reader and it is booting now :)
[01:51] <axelm7> it takes FOREVER to boot on this machine from the livecd
[01:51] <vidd> that is because it has to load the entire os in ram
[01:51] <axelm7> lol, it is such a lame pc, i am doing this only because it's my father in law's pc. I would have torched this pc otherwise
[01:52] <axelm7> a nice bucket of kerosene and a match
[01:52] <vidd> it would be a decent server
[01:52] <axelm7> just to make sure nobody else is tortured with this garbage
[01:53] <axelm7> i use a p2 333 384mb 80gb as a server here at home
[01:53] <axelm7> a p1 is just too old
[01:53] <vidd> all depends on what your using it for
[01:54] <vidd> i can make an 80-386 into a halfway decent printer server!
[01:54] <axelm7> openbsd on this machine would work fine as a router
[01:54] <silvertip257> you've got a P1 still ?
[01:54] <silvertip257> me 2
[01:54] <axelm7> a garbage hand me down pc
[01:54] <silvertip257> a couple if the 2nd one still works ;)
[01:54] <silvertip257> same here
[01:55] <silvertip257> only thing I could run on it was DSL / puppy
[01:55] <axelm7> i also have a p2 333, an athlon xp 2.5 and a inspiron 1200 laptop with 1.25 GB RAM
[01:55] <silvertip257> nice
[01:55] <silvertip257> I wanna build one soon - a desktop
[01:56] <axelm7> I haven't bought dual core yet for home. I have one at the office and I don't notice that much difference for what I do
[01:56] <silvertip257> is it your own business ?
[01:56] <axelm7> i am a partner there
[01:56] <silvertip257> ah
[01:57] <vidd> what kind of business?
[01:57] <axelm7> fuel retail automation software+hardware+consulting
[01:57] <silvertip257> I'm trying to learn how to make custom live cds ... anyone wanna help ;) ... (w/o UCK / Reconstructor)
[01:57] <axelm7> basically controlling fuel at a service station
[01:58] <axelm7> point of sale, payment, credit card transactions, etc
[01:58] <silvertip257> using what kinda software?
[01:58] <axelm7> the customer is using VeriFone Sapphire software
[01:59] <axelm7> plus some stuff written by me
[01:59] <axelm7> c++ on embedded SOC
[02:00] <silvertip257> ah
[02:01] <axelm7> silvertip, what do u d
[02:01] <axelm7> o
[02:02] <silvertip257> lol I'm still a student
[02:02] <silvertip257> but I'm working for a credit union doing helpdesk / pcsupport
[02:03] <axelm7> can u believe the live cd is still booting
[02:03] <axelm7> it's been 45 mins
[02:03] <silvertip257> can anyone direct me 2 someone who knows how to make custom live cds?
[02:03] <vidd> dont surprise me at all
[02:04] <silvertip257> on a P1 you deserve it!  try dsl or puppy maybe ;)
[02:04] <axelm7> i hope that once i install it on the hd it boots faster
[02:04] <vidd> axelm7, i WOULD  be surprised if the live cd completed booting
[02:04] <silvertip257> not by much man
[02:04] <silvertip257> from my personal experience
[02:04] <axelm7> the user does not speak english, dsl is not an option
[02:05] <axelm7> and he is not computer savy, so forget dsl
[02:05] <silvertip257> it's a big pain on my p1 w/ decent amnt of ram for the time period
[02:05] <silvertip257> ok
[02:05] <silvertip257> dsl isn't that bad ;)
[02:05] <silvertip257> but you've got a pt
[02:05] <axelm7> this pc was booting xp sp2 in under 5 mins
[02:05] <vidd> im telling you....the alt cd is the way to go with that pc
[02:06] <axelm7> firefox2 and ie7 were working pretty well, so was windows live messenger
[02:06] <silvertip257> wow axelm7 ... did you hack it that bad?
[02:06] <silvertip257> are you sure ... P1 ?
[02:06] <axelm7> yup, killed all the useless services
[02:06] <silvertip257> how much ram -- what specs ?
[02:06] <silvertip257> oh
[02:06] <axelm7> 128 MB
[02:06] <silvertip257> same as the one i've got
[02:06] <axelm7> 8 gn hd
[02:07] <axelm7> 8 GB HD
[02:07] <silvertip257> less on the one 've got
[02:07] <silvertip257> vidd:  do you know how to use "tar" correctly?
[02:07] <axelm7> configured the ADSL to act as router so i got rid of the pppoe part
[02:07] <silvertip257> will you check a phrase for me?
[02:07] <vidd> sure
[02:07] <silvertip257> ok
[02:08] <silvertip257> vidd:  " tar -zcvfp /mnt/sda1/debian/deb4.0_netinst-base.tar.gz . " ... something can't be right though
[02:08] <axelm7> vidd, why do you say the alt cd will boot faster? will the installation from altcd be different then if i install from the live cd?
[02:08] <silvertip257> installation will be no different
[02:08] <silvertip257> final OS I mean
[02:09] <vidd> right on the web site: To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install
[02:09] <silvertip257> vidd:  my current dir is a partition I mounted w/ my deb OS - /mnt/hda5
[02:09] <vidd> trying to untar?
[02:10] <silvertip257> no create an archive & compress a lil
[02:10] <silvertip257> am I using the wrong parameter ... z ? ... I forget ugh
[02:10] <vidd> did you man tar ?
[02:11] <silvertip257> yes
[02:11] <silvertip257> but looked & nothign
[02:11] <vidd> axelm7, you dont have enough ram to  run the live cd
[02:11] <silvertip257> vidd:  it says my path-to-tarfile doesn't exist ...
[02:12] <axelm7> vidd, I am waiting for the alt cd to finish downloading. Meanwhile I will let the live CD to continue booting
[02:12] <axelm7> bye guys, I am going to have dinner (Spanish seafood)
[02:12] <vidd> silvertip257, did you use tab-completion to get the path to file?
[02:12] <axelm7> thanks
[02:12] <silvertip257> yes vidd ... i love that !
[02:15] <silvertip257> vidd:  umm ... tell me if I understand it correctly
[02:15] <vidd> one minute
[02:16] <silvertip257> ok
[02:18] <vidd> tar -cvvf NameForFile.tar /path/to/file (or replace /file with /directory/)
[02:21] <vidd> silvertip257, that work for ya?
[02:21] <silvertip257> no - well that's what I'm doing
[02:22] <silvertip257> tar-file /dir/to/be/backedup
[02:23] <vidd> tar -options fileName /dir/to/be/backedUp/
[02:25] <silvertip257> yes
[02:25] <vidd> you need the "/" at the end if it is a directory you are trying to zip
[02:26] <vidd> if it is a file, then no "/" at the end
[02:26] <silvertip257> ok
[02:26] <silvertip257> but if I make a dir my current one then I use a period right?
[02:26] <vidd> no
[02:27] <silvertip257> what?!
[02:27] <silvertip257> hmm - can't remember how I did it in my big script a few months ago
[02:28] <vidd> lets say you want to compress /home/vidd/directory/
[02:28] <silvertip257> ok
[02:28] <vidd> you can  cd to /home/vidd.....
[02:29] <vidd> then tar -cvvf directory.tar directory/
[02:30] <vidd> or... tar -cvvf directory.tar /home/vidd/directory/
[02:30] <silvertip257> oh hmm
[02:30] <silvertip257> I read somewhere you always have a "." at the end for some reason
[02:30] <vidd> for a script...yeah
[02:31] <silvertip257> hmm
[02:31] <silvertip257> ok
[02:31] <silvertip257> dur that's why maybe
[02:31] <vidd> but that is dependent on the scripting language
[02:31] <silvertip257> lemme try some small dir
[02:35] <vidd> survey says?
[02:36] <silvertip257> vidd:  why does it say - Cannot stat:  No such file or directory ?
[02:36] <silvertip257> it's referring to my tar file I wanna create
[02:37] <vidd> paste the command you typed
[02:37] <silvertip257> ok
[02:37] <silvertip257> tar -zcvfp /mnt/sda1/debian/test.tar.gz /mnt/hda5/bin/
[02:38] <silvertip257> it's the "/mnt/sda1/debian/test.tar.gz" that is getting the msg
[02:39] <vidd> tar cannot make a .tar.gz file
[02:39] <silvertip257> vidd how come?
[02:40] <silvertip257> vidd:  here's my ref for this stuff - just found my bookmark:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[02:40] <vidd> the .gz comes from running gzip on the tar file
[02:40] <silvertip257> yes
[02:41] <vidd> you might want to cd to /mnt/sda1/debian
[02:42] <vidd> then run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin
[02:42] <silvertip257> ok
[02:42] <vidd> you need sudo because there are root owned files in /bin
[02:42] <vidd> then run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin/
[02:43] <vidd> dont forget the / at the end!
[02:43] <silvertip257> nothing in that dir now ..
[02:43] <silvertip257> wasn't before either
[02:43] <vidd> nothing in the /bin/ dir?
[02:43] <silvertip257> no
[02:43] <silvertip257> nothing in the /mnt/sda1/debian (backup dir)
[02:43] <vidd> no WONDER you are having issues!
[02:44] <vidd> oh
[02:44] <silvertip257> huh?
[02:44] <vidd> does the directory exist?
[02:44] <silvertip257> yes
[02:44] <silvertip257> i have my ext drive mounted & that dir is on it
[02:44] <vidd> ok...cd to the dir where you want the tar to end up...
[02:44] <silvertip257> ok i'm there
[02:45] <vidd> run sudo tar -cvvf test.tar /mnt/hda5/bin/
[02:45] <silvertip257> yup that' swhat i'm doing ... i will try once mroe
[02:45] <silvertip257> *more
[02:45] <silvertip257> why cvvf ?
[02:45] <silvertip257> instead of -zcvfp ?
[02:45] <vidd> those are the options i always use, and it never fails
[02:46] <silvertip257> oh
[02:46] <vidd> i dont know what -z and -p are for
[02:46] <vidd> but i know you need 2 v's
[02:46] <silvertip257> cannot stat the test file
[02:46] <silvertip257> test.tar.gz
[02:47] <silvertip257> vidd:  z is for gzip compression and p is to preserve permissions
[02:47] <vidd> are you still putting .gz at the end?
[02:47] <silvertip257> yes
[02:47] <vidd> the -z is for UNtar'ing
[02:47] <silvertip257> ooops
[02:47] <silvertip257> no X is
[02:48] <vidd> lose the -z
[02:48] <silvertip257> but maybe since it's giving me that error ...
[02:48] <vidd> and the .gz
[02:48] <silvertip257> z - compress the backup file with 'gzip' to make it smaller
[02:49] <vidd> better to just run gzip on if after it actually works
[02:49] <silvertip257> will try w/o it
[02:49] <silvertip257> no luck
[02:49] <vidd> are you including the sudo?
[02:50] <silvertip257> I'm root
[02:50] <silvertip257> !
[02:50] <silvertip257> well I sudo-ed
[02:50] <vidd> do you have write permissions on the drive you are righting to?
[02:51] <silvertip257> how do I check that?
[02:51] <silvertip257> I'm root though ..
[02:52] <vidd> but if  /mnt/sda1/debian/ is read only...it dont matter WHO you are...GOD cant write on a read-only file system
[02:52] <silvertip257> ughh
[02:52] <silvertip257> ok how do I check that? / change it?
[02:53] <vidd> open it in thunar (or your file manager of choice) and check it's permissions
[02:53] <silvertip257> ok
[02:54] <vidd> if it is mounted in RO, you need to UMOUNT it and re mount it in RW mode
[02:55] <silvertip257> ok eerrrr RO
[02:55] <silvertip257> f-ck d-mmit
[02:56] <vidd> so it's read only?
[02:56] <silvertip257> vidd:  thank you for being so patient and not yet killing me for that
[02:57] <silvertip257> will now try it
[02:57] <vidd> so maybe your options will work!
[02:57] <vidd> its just different from my method
[02:58] <silvertip257> i hope so ... >:O
[02:58] <silvertip257> well the light on my ext-drive is flashing, so it must be writing
[02:59] <vidd> that is promising
[03:00] <silvertip257> but it did it the last time on one of the methods..
[03:00] <vidd> yeah...but it didnt fail yet
[03:01] <vidd> THAT is what is promising!
[03:01] <silvertip257> right
[03:19] <vidd> silvertip257, did it take?
[03:19] <silvertip257> still working
[03:19] <silvertip257> ;)
[03:19] <silvertip257> but no error
[03:20] <vidd> then with that...good night
[03:29] <silvertip257> looks like yes vidd
[03:29] <silvertip257> lemme run the -t param on it
[03:29] <silvertip257> let's look it up first ;)
[03:39] <silvertip257> vidd:  do you inventory your tar files with -t at all ?
[03:42] <silvertip257> nvm ... i'm out later
[03:53] <rand> is there a boot floppy image for machines that can't boot a CD ?
[04:02] <elite101> hey im going to install xubuntu 7.10 anything i should be concerned about?
[10:54] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're here?
[10:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[10:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm here
[10:58] <hyper_ch> you're the rTorrent pro right?
[10:58] <TheSheep> no
[10:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I thought you're using it
[10:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: well yes, from time to time
[10:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: but I don't play with it
[10:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh ok... I just had a small look at it and a few questions still remain unanswered :) I thought you may help
[11:00] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: if not me, then maybe someone else
[11:00] <TheSheep> !ask | hyper_ch
[11:00] <ubotu> hyper_ch: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:00] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :) anyway, I just added for testing reasons a torrent that I share...
[11:00] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I didn't start downloading but then exited rTorrent... restarted it... but it was not listed anymore... why so?
[11:01] <hyper_ch> question2:  is there a way to select only certain files from the torrent to download and not all of them?
[11:01] <hyper_ch> question3: can you create new torrents with rtorrent - if so, how?
[11:02] <hyper_ch> question4: is there a way to say where the files should be saved to? Like not all into the same directory?
[11:03] <Gabz> is there a smaller browsers than firefox... it loads too slow for xubuntu ?
[11:04] <hyper_ch> Gabz: epiphany
[11:04] <hyper_ch> kazehakase
[11:04] <hyper_ch> lynx (command line)
[11:05] <Gabz> lynx hmm something with a gui still would be nice
[11:05] <hyper_ch> the other two are gui
[11:05] <TheSheep> Gabz: opra, dillo
[11:05] <TheSheep> Gabz: opera I mean
[11:06] <hyper_ch> Gabz: open synaptic and search for "browser" and you will be presented quite a few
[11:06] <hyper_ch> maybe even swiftfox?
[11:06] <Gabz> yeah but since i was after something small i figured i would ask to so i have a better starting point
[11:07] <Gabz> i'll have to install acouple and see which loads fastests
[11:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I don't know the answers, I know you can download single files with rtorrent for sure, but never tried, I think you can change the place where the file is going to be saved, but don't know how either. You can configure the default saving directory in the config file.
[11:08] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah, saw that about the default saving directory :) btw, where are the .torrent files being stored?
[11:08] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh... stupid question... I was jus thinking of ktorrent again ;)
[11:09] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm sure their website has some docs
[11:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I'll have a look at it :)
[11:10] <hyper_ch> so, I need to put now stuff into boxes :(
[11:10] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: moving, eh?
[11:11] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah
[11:11] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: moving sux... but the new appartment is great ;)
[11:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: gotta run for the bus, see you tomorrow
[11:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: good luck with moving
[11:13] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx and cya
[11:38] <axelm7> hi, I have just finished installing xubuntu 7.04. What is the best graphical package manager? I am not used to Debian style distributions, since I am a Fedora user.
[11:41] <Evergete> axelm7, synaptic, imho
[11:41] <hyper_ch> axelm7: synaptic it is... but the command line is very simple to and allows you to write auto-downlaod and install script
[11:42] <hyper_ch> axelm7: that makes a reinstall quite quick ;)
[11:44] <axelm7> this pc is for my father in law, updates have to be automatic and package installs have to be graphical
[11:45] <Evergete> the easiest way (for dummies, i think) is to go to system > add remove, is more semplified than synaptic
[11:46] <axelm7> I have to say that on this old pc with 128 MB RAM, xp sp2 runs faster than xubuntu. I have not disactivated the unnecessary services yet, maybe that's my prob
[11:56] <axelm7> I activated compositing just to see what would happen and now the system locks up when it boots. Numlock is not working, ctrl alt backspace is not working. Is there a safe mode?
[12:59] <axelm7> ok, after about an hour of using xubuntu 7.04 on a very low end machine, I have to say that xp sp2 runs much faster on this hardware
[01:01] <axelm7> I can see firefox-bin using 45% cpu and xfce-taskmanager using 16-24%. These are constant values
[01:04] <hyper_ch> axelm7: just install a few things on xp and it will crawl
[01:07] <axelm7> I am not defending xp at all, I am just giving my feedback
[01:07] <axelm7> this same machine was running xp with ie7 and firefox. www surfing was reasonable. on xubuntu it is not
[01:08] <axelm7> I don't know if adobe flash plugin is eating way too much cpu
[01:09] <axelm7> xfce-taskmanager is always at 20-50% cpu. what is this process? a message dispatcher in xfce?
[01:09] <hyper_ch> axelm7: I'm just saying if you install the same amount of stuff that you get with xubuntu then xp is slower ;)
[01:09] <axelm7> maybe I can reduce the amount of eye candy (?) to make screen rendering faster
[01:10] <hyper_ch> axelm7: man xfce-taskmanager
[01:11] <axelm7> lol, xfce-taskmanager is the task that is showing me how much cpu each process is consuming.
[01:12] <OculusAquilae> hi
[01:12] <hyper_ch> axelm7: I would use  "top" or "htop"
[01:13] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: hiho, did it work with the theme/style?
[01:13] <hyper_ch> g'day Jesta
[01:13] <axelm7> X is eating up to 50% CPU. I guess that copying bytes for the frame buffer is slow
[01:13] <Jesta> hey
[01:14] <hyper_ch> Jesta: Adelaide?
[01:14] <Jesta> melbourne
[01:14] <hyper_ch> Jesta: iieeeks
[01:14] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: now I know what you wanted to describe :)
[01:14] <hyper_ch> Victorians... ;)
[01:14] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: but it is a different error
[01:14] <Jesta> :P
[01:15] <hyper_ch> Jesta: who won footy this year?
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: file:///media/disk/error_ooo.png -- I meant the windeco, not the style
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> sorry
[01:15] <hyper_ch> Jesta: unfortunately I can't receive any here ;(
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: file:///media/disk/error_ooo.png
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: http://oculusaquilae.de/xubuntu/error_ooo.png -- damn copy and paste
[01:15] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: well, hmm.... no clue then... when you said missing icons this happened to me once because I lacked an installed style
[01:15] <Jesta> hyper_ch: afl?
[01:16] <hyper_ch> Jesta: yeah
[01:16] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: thanks anyway
[01:16] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: just open a document
[01:16] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: then the stuff appears
[01:16] <Jesta> hyper_ch: not finished yet, but looks like geelong will finish on top and possibly go all the way
[01:17] <hyper_ch> Jesta: thx :)  /me misses Vegemite
[01:17] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: look at the decoration, I is the same with any opened document
[01:17] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: what do you mean by decoration?
[01:17] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: the bar on top of the window
[01:18] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: what about them?
[01:18] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: and the frame around it
[01:18] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: ah... hmmm... no clue
[01:18] <OculusAquilae> i don't have this error in abiword, but this can't print in landscape mode
[01:18] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: I thought you had a OOo problem
[01:19] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: it is only with OOo, not with gimp, firefox, abiword or any other program
[01:20] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: strange... you're on Gutsy?
[01:20] <OculusAquilae> no, it's feisty
[01:20] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: strange... maybe remove OOo completely with a purge and reinstallit
[01:22] <OculusAquilae> hyper_ch: hm, it was from the beginning of my installation and I think  the problem is the window manager, but I will try this next time
[01:22] <hyper_ch> OculusAquilae: no clue :(
[01:23] <OculusAquilae> maybe I'll replace both with koffice
[01:23] <hyper_ch> OOo is great
[01:24] <OculusAquilae> but slow on this machine, 466 MHz Celeron and 128MB RAM
[01:26] <OculusAquilae> Another problem: Some translations are missing. Is there a solution for this problem in gutsy?
[01:26] <axelm7> hyper_ch: what is OOo?
[01:27] <hyper_ch> axelm7: OpenOffice.org
[01:27] <OculusAquilae> axelm7: OpenOffice.org
[01:27] <axelm7> oh, ok
[01:27] <hyper_ch> Jesta: Go Adelaid Crows, Go
[01:30] <Jesta> hyper_ch: come on melbourne!
[01:31] <hyper_ch> Jesta: damn, it's been already 10 years since my year in Down Under ;(
[01:32] <Jesta> hyper_ch: where are you now?
[01:33] <hyper_ch> Jesta: back in Switzerland
[01:33] <hyper_ch> Jesta: not footy on tv here :(
[01:33] <hyper_ch> Jesta: and soccer isn't half as interesting
[01:33] <axelm7> hyper_ch: how do I enable automatic package updates. is there a daemon for apt-get?
[01:33] <Jesta> hyper_ch: philistines :P
[01:34] <hyper_ch> axelm7: make a cron entry
[01:34] <hyper_ch> Jesta: philistines?
[01:36] <axelm7> hyper_ch: isn't there a preconfigured service that will do that?
[01:36] <Jesta> hyper_ch: a smug, ignorant and normally boureoise classified as being ingnorant or opposed to cultural values :P was in jest
[01:36] <hyper_ch> axelm7: no clue... I configure my services myself
[01:37] <hyper_ch> Jesta: ah :) but then... I still wonder how one can watch cricket... even worse if there's test runs...
[01:37] <axelm7> hyper_ch: oh... I see
[01:38] <Jesta> hyper_ch: we put ourselves through the pain for the good of the country ;-)
[01:38] <hyper_ch> axelm7: but making a cron is simple
[01:38] <hyper_ch> Jesta: lol ;) vegemite, real bbqs and footy is what I miss terribly here
[01:39] <hyper_ch> Jesta: and of course some australian cuties ;)
[01:39] <Jesta> hyper_ch: I feel your pain.....;-)
[01:40] <hyper_ch> Jesta: how comes victorians have that snobby accent? ;)
[01:41] <Jesta> hyper_ch: to make ourselves seem better then the /shudder sydneysiders :P
[01:42] <hyper_ch> Jesta: ;)
[01:42] <hyper_ch> Jesta: that's a good response
[01:42] <Jesta> hyper_ch: you wouldn't have got something half as good out of someone from any other city :P
[01:43] <Jesta> hyper_ch: specially hobart
[01:43] <hyper_ch> Jesta: damn, I miss Australia ;(
[01:44] <Jesta> hyper_ch: who doesn't - even people who haven't been here I reckon :P
[01:44] <Jesta> hyper_ch: /national pride
[01:45] <hyper_ch> no pasties at lunch here
[01:45] <Jesta> I thinking of building a file server, would xubuntu be good for this type of thing?
[01:45] <Jesta> I'm*
[01:46] <hyper_ch> I tend to go for a server still to use debian
[01:46] <hyper_ch> and no gui
[01:47] <Jesta> I was only thinking xubuntu because of the linux fileserver article I read on bit-tech.net
[01:47] <Jesta> in which they used xubuntu
[01:47] <hyper_ch> Jesta: well, first of all, if you want to operate a server you don't need a gui
[01:47] <hyper_ch> Jesta: a gui is a waste of resources ;)
[01:48] <hyper_ch> Jesta: and then, debian and ubuntu are quite similar... ubuntu is an offspring from debian and debian is known to provide rock-stable software
[01:48] <hyper_ch> Jesta: hence my preference for debian over ubuntu as server
[01:49] <hyper_ch> Jesta: but then, you say you want a "fileserver"... what do you want it do to exactely?
[01:50] <Jesta> hyper_ch: It would be headless, so I would remote admin it - but basiclly, it would have a partition for each user would would backup/save their stuff to it. It would then have partitions that everyone can access eg Music, Setup Files, Movies etc. The users would all be using windows
[01:50] <Jesta> for each user *who
[01:50] <hyper_ch> Jesta: sounds like a job for samba
[01:51] <Jesta> hyper_ch: thats what I was thinking
[01:51] <hyper_ch> Jesta: and you don't need a gui for it... so xubuntu has no server edition... only ubuntu does... can you point out that article for me?
[01:52] <Jesta> hyper_ch: part one http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/05/build_your_own_server/1
[01:52] <Jesta> hyper_ch: part two http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/07/24/build_your_own_better_server/2
[01:54] <hyper_ch> Jesta: you don't need xubuntu
[01:55] <hyper_ch> I'd use the debian install or ubuntu server install
[01:55] <hyper_ch> Jesta: I'm out for a little while but then I'm back
[01:55] <Jesta> hyper_ch: ok
[02:40] <axelm7> hi, what package do I need if I want to play mp3 files?
[02:40] <axelm7> this is a fresh install of xubuntu 7.04
[02:54] <hyper_ch> Jesta: still here?
[02:55] <hyper_ch> !restricted | axelm7
[02:55] <ubotu> axelm7: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:16] <Jesta> hyper_ch: sorry, wasn't watching :P
[03:17] <hyper_ch> so, decided on whether you want to do a gui install or server install?
[03:17] <Jesta> probably go with ubuntu server
[03:17] <Jesta> just gotta read up on it now ;)
[03:19] <hyper_ch> Jesta: it's not a big difference... but still I'd go for debian... so did you already download a ubuntu server cd?
[03:19] <hyper_ch> Jesta: and by the way, you want the whole computer to dedicate as file server right? And if so, how many harddisks do you have in there?
[03:19] <Jesta> not yet, dosen't matter anyway because my ISP mirrors almost every big distro
[03:20] <Jesta> at the moment I only have one, but should be picking up a few more soon
[03:21] <hyper_ch> Jesta: how big is the current one?
[03:21] <hyper_ch> and you do have two different computers, right? the one that will be the file server and anoter one?
[03:22] <Jesta> just an 80gb drive at the moment, its an old computer so will need to get more - and 5 computers will acess it
[03:22] <hyper_ch> Jesta: how much ram?
[03:23] <Jesta> 384
[03:23] <Jesta> i think
[03:24] <Jesta> its something weird like that
[03:24] <hyper_ch> Jesta: could be... then I would suggest the following partitioning
[03:24] <hyper_ch> 1 GB swap partition
[03:24] <evge> Is there any way to use keyboard shortcut to switch keyboard layout ?
[03:24] <hyper_ch> 4 GB root partition ("/") Ext3
[03:25] <hyper_ch> rest home partition ("/home") Ext3
[03:25] <hyper_ch> evge: hmmm, sure you could setup that somehow.... worst case would be to make a shortcut that runs a shell script
[03:25] <Jesta> alright, thanks for your help, I'll try debian as well :D
[03:26] <Jesta> I'm off to bed now, later everyone
[03:26] <hyper_ch> Jesta: well, ubuntu server is fine... just debian has been proven to be rock-stable as a server
[03:26] <hyper_ch> Jesta: when you install the server, just don't select anything additional... make it as minmal as possible
[03:26] <hyper_ch> oh well
[03:46] <axelm7> question, is there a dyndns package in the ubuntu distro?
[03:53] <hyper_ch> axelm7: apt-cache search dyndns
[03:54] <boarder-winterma> hello i have a maybe simple probblem but i am too stupid to solve it :/ i exited my xfce-4 tray and want it back hwo to do this?
[04:04] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: what did you exit exactely?
[04:04] <axelm7> apparently what makes this pc so slow is font anti aliasing and hinting, but if I disable it the fonts are horrible
[04:05] <boarder-winterma> i think i exited the program in the top right corner in the taskbar
[04:05] <boarder-winterma> or i think so ...
[04:05] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: hmmm, you ahve any unsaved work still open?
[04:05] <boarder-winterma> no
[04:06] <boarder-winterma> but i already restarted and the error keeps
[04:06] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: oh... so   ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't help ;(
[04:06] <boarder-winterma> no
[04:06] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: can you make a screen shot and put it online? I have no clue what exactely you have closed
[04:06] <boarder-winterma> unfortunately
[04:08] <boarder-winterma> if i push x in amarok the amaroksymbol should gi in tray ... yesterday it was then in taskbar where i could push on it and amarok rearrived but today if i minimize amarok the symbol is not there...
[04:10] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: hmmm, you could try to create a new user, login as that one... and then copy his xfce config files to your current user
[04:10] <boarder-winterma> oO
[04:10] <boarder-winterma> how to do this?
[04:10] <hyper_ch> you still have the applications menu?
[04:12] <boarder-winterma> yes
[04:12] <boarder-winterma> only the tray is missing
[04:12] <boarder-winterma> little icon
[04:12] <boarder-winterma> right top corner
[04:12] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: I dunno what you mean with tray
[04:12] <hyper_ch> boarder-winterma: ah, the system tray
[04:13] <boarder-winterma> yeah
[04:13] <hyper_ch> right-click on the bar
[04:13] <hyper_ch> select "add new item"
[04:13] <hyper_ch> and then select system tray
[04:13] <boarder-winterma> ugh i need the german word for system tay :/
[04:15] <hyper_ch> das weisse, schwarz umrandete "i"
[04:16] <boarder-winterma> aha i got it :)
[04:16] <boarder-winterma> thank you
[04:16] <boarder-winterma> it is back :)
[04:16] <boarder-winterma> now i have to put it in the top right corner ;)
[04:16] <hyper_ch> right-click it and select "move"
[04:17] <boarder-winterma> thanks it workd
[04:17] <boarder-winterma> it is back :)
[04:50] <silvertip257> anyone awake?
[04:51] <zials> o.o
[04:51] <silvertip257> heh
[04:51] <silvertip257> when I run my tar command it fails because of previous errors (none of which it lists)
[04:52] <silvertip257> wait
[04:52] <silvertip257> it can't stat the tar file I wanna create
[04:59] <vidd> hello silvertip257
[04:59] <vidd> so all that work last night ended in failure?
[05:05] <silvertip257> vidd:  idk ... it seemed to work
[05:05] <silvertip257> but now it's shiaaty again
[05:06] <silvertip257> running off live cds to back it up
[05:08] <vidd> remember to make sure you have write access where you are trying to save the data
[05:09] <vidd> or...save the tar files right on your desktop and then move them to the destination directory using thunar or the mv command
[05:10] <vidd> (or cp to make sure it is successful, then rm the files after confirmation)
[05:19] <silvertip257> well I got it vidd :: I'm a dumba$5
[05:19] <silvertip257> vidd:  the -p option is only for restoring it --- I was confused ..
[05:20] <silvertip257> ty for all your help vidd
[05:20] <silvertip257> later
[06:42] <Ochi> Hello everyone
[06:43] <Ochi> I've got a problem with a xubuntu Feisty installation on a RAID-1. Fsck seems to try to check not only the RAID devices but also individual partitions which are the RAID members. Is anyone else experiencing issues with RAID installations?
[06:46] <Ochi> ...which obviously fails if those partitions are already part of a started RAID. In general I dislike checkfs checking the individual partitions and not the RAID as a whole ^^
[06:55] <DaBeowulf> What's the easiest and most lightweight solution to play XviD decoded avi files in xubuntu?
[06:56] <Ochi> Have you tried VLC?
[07:03] <DaBeowulf> !info VLC
[07:03] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[07:04] <DaBeowulf> Thanks I'll check that.
[07:31] <neclimdul> i was trying xubuntu as an option for an old 440cdx laptop i had laying around.  when its shows a bunch of Buffer I/O errors and then like 10min later it stops on an odd shell.
[07:31] <neclimdul> anyone have any pointers for getting the installer running?
[07:34] <vidd> neclimdul, live or alt cd?
[07:34] <neclimdul> checking
[07:35] <neclimdul> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[07:35] <vidd> so that is the live cd
[07:37] <neclimdul> oh....
[07:38] <megaproxy> herro
[07:38] <neclimdul> vidd: is that going to be a problem post install with xubuntu?
[07:39] <vidd> no
[07:39] <megaproxy> is there a way to install xubuntu over the net, and in windows
[07:39] <megaproxy> i dont have a cd burner...
[07:40] <vidd> megaproxy, not that i know of
[07:40] <megaproxy> damnit
[07:40] <megaproxy> >.<
[07:40] <megaproxy> how about downloading and moutning it in a thing like deamontools
[07:40] <megaproxy> can you install it that way? or do i need to do the full shading and format n shiddy
[07:40] <vidd> but there is a method to install using usb
[07:41] <megaproxy> usb?
[07:41] <megaproxy> my only usb drive is 258 :(
[07:41] <vidd> and?
[07:41] <megaproxy> how big is the instal.?
[07:41] <vidd> i think like 10 meg
[07:41] <megaproxy> :OL
[07:41] <megaproxy> wtf?
[07:41] <megaproxy> 10mb for a OS?
[07:42] <vidd> no...for the net installer
[07:42] <megaproxy> OH
[07:42] <megaproxy> i get ya
[07:42] <megaproxy> so if i dl that
[07:42] <megaproxy> then boot the installer?
[07:42] <megaproxy> it will dl it and install?
[07:42] <vidd> yep
[07:42] <neclimdul> DSL is 50M :P linux gets small.
[07:42] <megaproxy> sweet!
[07:42] <megaproxy> how do i do that then?
[07:42] <vidd> IDK...i just know it is an option
[07:43] <megaproxy> hmm
[07:44] <megaproxy> RAM: Used: 224/256MB
[07:44] <megaproxy> gdgd
[07:48] <BFTD> hallo!
[08:52] <BlackDiamonds> Guys, if I use (K)(X)(U)buntu is it possible for me to have the latest and greatest software ?
[08:53] <BlackDiamonds> like if a new version of AmaroK is released today when would I be able to expect it in the repos ?
[08:56] <BlackDiamonds> ubuntu
[09:44] <foreman> hey
[09:44] <hyper_ch> no
[09:45] <rokra> someone know a packages to modify tcp headers?
[09:45] <hyper_ch> why should one want to do that?
[09:46] <rokra> to check a spoof on my internal network
[09:47] <hyper_ch> rokra: no clue
[09:47] <foreman> i've been trying to install xubuntu on a couple of old g3 imacs, resorted to the alternate install cd, and it's been freezing at 85%
[09:47] <foreman> when it gets to installing the xubuntu desktop
[09:48] <hyper_ch> can ubuntu be installed there? I think they have a different cpu architecture
[09:49] <foreman> yes, it's ppc rather than x86
[09:49] <hyper_ch> oh, and there are ppc images?
[09:49] <foreman> yep
[09:50] <hyper_ch> one never stops learning
[10:04] <xubu_> anyone anyone around?
[10:04] <foreman> yeah
[10:04] <xubu_> hey i was trying to follow this article http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=806&num=1
[10:05] <xubu_> its got a coiple lines of terminal code to install the new open source drivers with TV-Out
[10:05] <xubu_> i get an error on  git checkout origin/randr-1.2
[10:06] <xubu_> error: pathspec 'origin/randr-1.2' did not match any.
[10:07] <foreman> no idea dude, wouldn't know where to start, i'd suggest some more googling
[10:58] <kiosk> anyone know of a free PC to Phone VOIP service?
[10:59] <kiosk> join #ubunutu
[12:14] <Cam0> I just installed xubuntu-desktop on mu kubuntu box, but when I login using xfce for the session from kdm, i only get some screen distortion after the kdm login window closes. anyone know what i can do to fix this?
[12:23] <Cam0> apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop  ??
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Cam0: you want to get rid of kubuntu?
[12:24] <Cam0> no
[12:25] <Cam0> not until i get xfce working anyways
[12:25] <hyper_ch> completely remove kubuntu incl. kdm and then installing xubuntu-desktop should do the job
[12:25] <Cam0> cant they be installed side-by-side?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> they should be... worked fine for me when I tried on 6.06
[12:27] <Cam0> well i guess its worth a shot
[12:27] <Cam0> thnx hyper_ch
[12:27] <Lunis> my cats stepped on my keyboard and activated an onscreen keyboard that i can't close. how do i close it? >.>
[12:27] <hyper_ch> Lunis: have a look at the settings
[12:28] <Lunis> hyper_ch, that doesn't help at all actually
[12:29] <Lunis> there's a hotkey but i don't know what it is
[12:29] <hyper_ch> Lunis: where are the hotkeys defined=?
[12:29] <Lunis> hyper_ch, i don't know
[12:29] <Lunis> oh wait, are you being condescending?
[12:30] <Lunis> if you are, you can kindly shove it ;)
[12:30] <hyper_ch> if you explain what condescending mean
[12:30] <Lunis> ...
[12:31] <Lunis> hyper_ch, if you know what the hotkey is, let me know, if not, you're not really helping anything. this is frustrating enough without people being dicks about things >.>
[12:31] <hyper_ch> do you know what a hotkey is?
[12:31] <hyper_ch> I'm trying to help and you call me a dick?
[12:32] <Lunis> yes, i know what a hotkey is. i'm not the idiot you seem to think i am. i simply don't know the hotkey to toggle this Godforsaken keyboard
[12:32] <hyper_ch> where did I point out that you are an idiot?
[12:34] <Lunis> hyper_ch, i asked for a hotkey, and you asked me if i know what a hotkey is... that's acting like i'm an idiot
[12:35] <hyper_ch> Lunis: you asked me first if I knew what it is... so you are acting like an idiot and I am just responding to it
[12:35] <foreman> i think hyper_ch is the idiot.
[12:36] <hyper_ch> foreman: based on what?
[12:36] <foreman> based on your stupid responses
[12:37] <hyper_ch> foreman: why are they stupid?
[12:37] <foreman> so general and obscure it's no wonder they were interpreted as condescending.
[12:38] <hyper_ch> actually they aren't general at all ;) I just didn't tell do this or that but I wanted him to think...
[12:38] <hyper_ch> this implies that I actually did not think of him as an idiot but pointing where he needed to go
[12:38] <hyper_ch> however if he refuses it's up to him
[12:38] <Lunis> hyper_ch, I didn't ask for your help thinking, I've been thinking about it for quite some time. This is a support channel, not a general guidance channel. Support or gtfo
[12:38] <foreman> srsly.
[12:39] <hyper_ch> Lunis: I do support but I am not required to spoon-feed ;)
[12:40] <foreman> people like you make situations a lot more frustrating and never actually lead to any progress in the situation
[12:40] <hyper_ch> foreman: you think spoon-feeding is any better?
[12:40] <hyper_ch> foreman: you are welcome to tell him how to enable it again
[12:40] <Lunis> hyper_ch, yes. stop assuming anyone who asks a question is an idiot, and give direct answers, or you're just making things harder
[12:40] <foreman> i think that people come here because they have scoured forums and googled enough that they resort to talking to people like you.
[12:41] <hyper_ch> Lunis: giving direct answers assumes the other is an idition... pointing someone in a direction assumes the other is no idiot
[12:42] <foreman> you are an idiot.
[12:42] <foreman> direct enough?
[12:42] <hyper_ch> you should watch your language foreman
[12:42] <foreman> :)
[12:42] <Lunis> hyper_ch, i'm not sure where you're from but that's not the case in the english speaking world. If you say "the hotkey is alt+j" then you assume i know what a hotkey is, what alt is, etc. if you say "look over here maybe you'll find something related" then you're assuming they're an idiot and they have to be stepped through. I know how to use XFCE. I know how to use unix. I know how to do alot of things but I don't know about some features.
[12:43] <Lunis> language? i think his language is perfectly clean
[12:43] <foreman> pls dont perma banz muh ip adrez from teh internets?
[12:43] <hyper_ch> Lunis: you assumed first that I didn't know what a hotkey is... so I just did what you also did
[12:43] <hyper_ch> Lunis: you think calling someone an idiot is perfectly clean? do that to your boss ;)
[12:44] <Lunis> hyper_ch, once again your intelligence shows. please let me know where exactly i said you don't know what a hotkey is?
[12:44] <hyper_ch> Lunis: you don't even remember?  [00:31]  <Lunis> hyper_ch, if you know what the hotkey is, let me know, if not, you're not really helping anything.
[12:44] <PriceChild> foreman, Lunis, lets calm down please :)
[12:45] <PriceChild> No need for personal attacks. "/msg ubotu guidelines"
[12:45] <Lunis> meh, sorry Price
[12:45] <Lunis> people lacking general understanding and acting high-and-mighty make me a little unstable ;)
[12:56] <foreman> lunis, i'm sorry we could not figure out the hot-key.
[12:56] <Lunis> foreman, i'm still looking for it, but i can't find the stupid thing
[12:56] <sighnus> xubuntu is great
[12:56] <Lunis> :D
[12:56] <sighnus> i lvoe its simplicity
[12:57] <Lunis> i love the compositioning
[01:00] <sighnus> i love the price too
[01:00] <Lunis> xP