[12:35] <Karti> Level15: I have a cron job that creates a file - mail.tar.gz It creates it to a folder called backup. I have added soem code so that I create a folder for the tarball, but as I "don't know the name of teh file that has been created" I am unable to put my tarball creation in it. I am just learning the scripting side at the moment and don't know if the $(date -I) remains the same variable
[12:35] <sehe> should
[12:35] <Level15> sure it should
[12:35] <Karti> I will put my code in the pastebin
[12:35] <sehe> if you use the same shell (probably bash)
[12:36] <sehe> put it in the wastebin :D
[12:36] <sehe> hehe
[12:38] <Karti> sehe: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:39] <Karti> I am looking at placing my tarred files and the others into the newly created dated folder
[12:39] <sehe> lines 7/9 do that already
[12:40] <sehe> what is different in the task you are trying to perform?
[12:40] <sehe> you mean in lines 13,14?
[12:40] <Karti> I was just adding the date to those ones, but I would like then to go into the newly created folder
[12:40] <sehe> and do?
[12:41] <Level15> Karti: set a variable at the beginning like TIMETAG=$(date -I), then use it to define any names you want both for tar files as well as directories
[12:41] <Karti> I would like 7,9 13 and 14 to go into the newly created folder
[12:41] <sehe> that would only make it (1) more legible (2) more safe (if the date changes)
[12:42] <sehe> aha - ic - you want to use the same folder everywhere
[12:42] <Karti> I run this backup every night but want to automate it more
[12:42] <Karti> so that every night it goes to a different folder
[12:43] <Karti> so tonight it will be 2007-08-08-Backup and tomorrow 2007-08-19-Backup
[12:43] <sehe> care if I write up some mod like Level15 proposed?
[12:43] <sehe> seems like it is already well underway :)
[12:43] <Karti> please do, I am just trying the variable he suggested
[12:43] <sehe> k a moment
[12:44] <Level15> glad that idea has been accepted :)
[12:46] <sehe> should be there
[12:46] <sehe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:46] <sehe> sry: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34229/
[12:46] <Perdut> Hi!
[12:47] <sehe> on a separate note: I like rdiff-backup for this kind of thing :)
[12:49] <sehe> Karti: found it?
[12:49] <Karti> sehe: just looking now
[12:50] <Bartho> hello there
[12:50] <sehe> didn bother to update comments or anything else (like the -v switches on the tars that seem a bit redundant in a cron job :))
[12:50] <sehe> (hi)
[12:51] <Karti> sehe: that was perfect, many thanks and cheers to level15 for the idea
[12:51] <Bartho> anyone have an idea, why my screen goes to blank after 5 minutes, but didnt configured it in the kde screensaver options nor the XScreensaver?
[12:51] <sehe> gl!
[12:51] <Karti> I thought the v was for verbose and meant everything?
[12:51] <Bartho> O_O
[12:51] <Level15> Karti: np, i bet sehe would have done that even if i hadn't said anything anyway :)
[12:51] <sehe> yup - unless you explictely pipe cron output to some logfile, it is useless in cron
[12:52] <Karti> Also I like the idea of a differemtial backup, is that just slightly different code that I should use?
[12:52] <rockets> What's the default media player for Kubuntu?
[12:52] <rockets> for videos
[12:52] <Level15> rockets: kaffeine
[12:52] <Biovore> kaffine I think..
[12:52] <sehe> you leave all the real work to rdiff (librsync) and get icremental storage foortpint as a bonus
[12:52] <rockets> oh.
[12:52] <rockets> Damn.
[12:52] <rockets> Kaffeine doesn't work so well.
[12:52] <sehe> have to read up first, unless you know rsync a bit already
[12:53] <Bartho> sehe: may i query you?
[12:53] <Karti> I think that is later ;)
[12:53] <sehe> Bartho: yup
[12:53] <sehe> Karti: np
[12:54] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[12:54] <sehe> Bartho: I can't do pm (have to register duh)
[12:54] <Karti> sehe: Level15: I will ask though, looking at my script, it doesn't work unless it has the //bin/cat /dev/null > /tmp/backup.log part, I just don't get this.....any ideas?
[12:54] <Bartho> gnaaaa
[12:54] <sehe> Bartho: should be something with the powersave settings
[12:54] <Level15> Karti: touch
[12:55] <Level15> Karti: let me see that script again...
[12:55] <Bartho> *sigh* i guess i will register ^^
[12:55] <Karti> Level15: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:55] <sehe> Bartho: i think *i have to*
[12:56] <Level15> Karti: strange, it should not be necessary, IMHO... the log file should be automatically created when you do the > thing
[12:56] <Bartho> oh :D sorry, bit drunken... but that 5 minutes blank screen bothers so much
[12:56] <sehe> Karti: what exactly doesn't work now? Did you remove the v switch or some?
[12:57] <Karti> When I remove that line 4 and the  > /tmp/backup.log it works fine in the script, but when it crons it only copies a tiny bit of the tar.gz file
[12:57] <Karti> must admit not tried it without the v switch
[12:58] <sehe> Karti: uhoh I might have needed some quotes
[12:58] <Bartho> sehe: so this way now? i mean its a support channel :) ofc only if you are multithreaded
[12:58] <sehe> Karti: do not remove the v switch (it is harmless even if not useful :))
[12:58] <savetheWorld> Is there a list of the apt packages anywhere? with descriptions?
[12:59] <sehe> Karti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34231/ minor fixup shouldn really change much
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> sauvin: in adept?
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> erm
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> savetheWorld: ^^
[12:59] <sehe> Could change a lot if $(date -I) contains spaces. I never tried ($date -I) HEHEHE
[12:59] <sauvin> hee hee
[12:59] <Biovore> savetheWorld: packages.ubuntu.com <-- search able via web interface..  you can also use the package manager or "apt-cache search"
[12:59] <savetheWorld> Biovore: thats what I was hoping for. thanks
[01:00] <Level15> sehe: in that case i suggest the output of date is user defined to something like 2007.10.15
[01:01] <sehe> Level15: indeed, does '2007-08-19' at my pc
[01:01] <Karti> sehe:  just find it crazy why the script would work when I run it, and also when I run it from the Kcron GUI yet it fails to complete the mails.tar.gz
[01:02] <Karti> this problem was before the date issue I'm afraid
[01:02] <Level15> Karti: i remember i experienced some weird issues with gnutar a while ago... i swtiched to some utility called star which worked fine
[01:02] <Level15> and there's an Ubuntu package for it :)
[01:03] <sehe> yet fails to complete mails.tar.gz... - when? -
[01:03] <Bartho> ok, i turned off the power saving settings, only said "switch off monitor after 45 minutes" at least the monitor goes blank after 5 minutes but dont turn off the monitor
[01:03] <Karti> I believe that the backup.log is written over each time anyway, so that is not an issue
[01:03] <Level15> Karti: you are right about that, since it's > and not >>
[01:04] <Karti> sehe: it fails to create the tar during the actual cron job
[01:04] <Karti> it creates the icon and it contains maybe 10 folders
[01:04] <Level15> Karti: may i suggest you take a look at keep, a kde utility for backups... though i haven't really used it
[01:05] <sehe> Karti: I happend to try it once. Wouldn't even launch
[01:05] <Karti> Level15: I had a quick look before, but wanted to try my hand at scripting as I had some errors appear
[01:05] <sehe> Karti: There is also Konserve which is pretty simplistic I think
[01:05] <poroto82> does anyone know where i can find the idyllic records album? please
[01:05] <Karti> I read about Simple Linux Backup but its still in Beta I believe
[01:06] <Level15> Karti: ok, if that doesn't work then stick to the scripts...
[01:06] <Level15> take a look at this star thing... it's syntax is somewhat more complicated than tar but doesn't do unexpected stuff
[01:06] <Level15> at least in my experience
[01:06] <sehe> The problem with line 9 could be (1) source (not present, not accessible: permissions!, or locked (locking mail client? NFS mounted problems?)) it could be permissions writing the log file as well
[01:07] <Level15> sehe: but if i  understand correctly, it works with the cat /dev/null > logfile
[01:07] <sehe> (forget the (1) didn fancy more bullet items :))
[01:07] <Level15> it's kind of weird
[01:07] <Karti> sehe: I thought it might be permissions during the cron as it runs all other times, the confusing part is that it creates part of the file ;)
[01:08] <Karti> Level15: Yes
[01:08] <sehe> Level15: i missed that point
[01:08] <Karti> I will have a look at the suggestions, and thank you both for your help...
[01:08] <Level15> Karti: try putting the logfile somewhere else :)
[01:09] <Karti> what in a home folder?
[01:09] <sehe> Karti: seems then that tar bails out halfway, breaking the pipe
[01:09] <Level15> for example, yes
[01:09] <Level15> in jim's home folder, actually
[01:09] <sehe> :D
[01:09] <Karti> **damn these people are smart ...they now know my name ;)**
[01:10] <Level15> HAHAHA
[01:10] <sehe> YOU PUT IT IN THE SCRIPT
[01:10] <sehe> hehe
[01:10] <Karti> cut and paste will be the end of Jim, Jim Bond!
[01:10] <sehe> Karti: gl anyways
[01:10] <Level15> BTW, you can make the scrip protable by not using the full path to your home dir but $HOME :)
[01:10] <Level15> *script
[01:10] <Level15> jeez
[01:11] <Level15> nano rc0
[01:11] <Karti> I used the ~/ but when I put this on a forum , it was suggested that I try full paths
[01:11] <Level15> sorry
[01:11] <sehe> Level15: which is more portable, ~ or $HOME (if it comes to bash,csh,sh etc?)
[01:11] <Level15> Karti: i think $HOME works better
[01:11] <Karti> I would go with the variable $Home
[01:12] <Level15> it's all capitalized
[01:12] <Karti> just amending script as we type ;)
[01:12] <sehe> uppercase
[01:12] <Bartho> ok, i turned off the power saving settings, only said "switch off monitor after 45 minutes" at least the monitor goes blank after 5 minutes but dont turn off the monitor... anyone any idea? ^^
[01:12] <sehe> BArtho: yes, it's probably something else
[01:12] <Bartho> really? :p
[01:12] <Level15> brb
[01:13] <Karti> would you also suggest the use of change directory or just a straight tar command?
[01:13] <sehe> Bartho: sry, but it's always like that
[01:13] <Bartho> sehe: what do you mean?
[01:14] <sehe> Karti: I always do straight commands. But it's a matter of taste unless you 'cd' to a directoyy with different permissions in place
[01:14] <Karti> as its all Jim's it would not really matter....me thinks
[01:14] <sehe> Bartho: it's the fastest way of thinking of other solutions: accept that it must be something else:_)
[01:16] <Bartho> sehe: maybe i dont understand that now :( only want to know why the f*** the screen goes blank.
[01:16] <Materials> Hi, whats a linear transformation?
[01:16] <sehe> nice I had one of my lovely keyboard deadlocks.
[01:16] <sehe> Bartho: granetd
[01:17] <sehe> granted*
[01:17] <Level15> Materials: are you talking about math here?
[01:17] <Bartho> sehe: ?
[01:17] <sehe> Bartho: are you on kde or gnome? I'm KDE so if you are too, i might look around
[01:17] <Bartho> sehe kde
[01:17] <sehe> good
[01:18] <Bartho> sehe: but a installed ubuntu with reinstalled kde
[01:18] <kaminix> Can I limit Krusaders Internet capacity? :P
[01:18] <kaminix> It's uploading too fast :p
[01:18] <sehe> Bartho: do you have Kerry/Beagle running?
[01:18] <Materials> i donno
[01:18] <Level15> Materials: lol
[01:18] <sehe> Bartho: never mind
[01:19] <Bartho> sehe: wtf is Kerry/Beagle?
[01:19] <sehe> Bartho: i'll take that as a 'no' :)
[01:19] <Bartho> hehe
[01:20] <sehe> (Bartho: desktop search)
[01:20] <Tomi-idle> Bartho: a mac's spotlight sort of search application
[01:20] <Tomi-idle> that sounded bad
[01:20] <sehe> Bartho: yup. Google Desktop, Vista Search
[01:20] <Bartho> apple blh
[01:20] <intelikey> howto check for a dns server ?
[01:20] <matias_> Hi
[01:21] <robotgeek> intelikey: what do you mean, look for one? (btw, you are unidentified)
[01:21] <dustin> what's the best dvd ripper in kubuntu?
[01:21] <sehe> Bartho: what window manager are you usign?
[01:22] <matias_> I have a question if someone can answer to me it I would appreciatte their help?
[01:22] <matias_> I have a Pentium II
[01:22] <intelikey> robotgeek i mean test the dns address that i have in resolv.conf
[01:22] <Bartho> sehe: uhm didnt i mention that? kde, or what do you mean exactly?
[01:22] <matias_> with 256 RAM and Riva TNT2 32MB
[01:22] <intelikey> robotgeek think proxy
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: technically that's diffenrt. I'll take that as, "kwin", of course LOL
[01:23] <modjo> hello everybody
[01:23] <robotgeek> intelikey: sorry, i dunno
[01:23] <matias_> And I have Installed beryl and it is not working
[01:23] <modjo> anybody here develop in c++ using kubuntu?
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: I'm using beryl on kde, e.g.
[01:23] <intelikey> k
[01:23] <dustin> best dvd ripper in kubuntu?
[01:23] <Bartho> thats a hard question now ^^
[01:23] <Bartho> sehe: thats a hard question now ^^
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: never mind: if you don't know it, it's kwin for sure :D
[01:24] <intelikey> dustin best is the one you prefer
[01:24] <sehe> Bartho: Just ruling out sources of interference with desktop behaviour
[01:24] <modjo> hey everybody i need some help
[01:24] <dustin> intelikey: any suggestions?
[01:24] <intelikey> !rip
[01:24] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[01:24] <modjo> programing in c++
[01:24] <dustin> perhaps acid rip?
[01:24] <intelikey> guess not.
[01:24] <robotgeek> !dvdrip
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <sehe> modjo: I do, why
[01:24] <Bartho> sehe: but i can maybe tell you its since i installed the nvidia driver
[01:25] <Bartho> sehe: at least i guess it is
[01:25] <sehe> Bartho: shouldn really make more snese, but sure sounds like a clue
[01:25] <robotgeek> i've heard good things about devede
[01:25] <modjo> sehe: how do i compile anything in c++? i cant run a simple hello world program
[01:25] <modjo> like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B
[01:25] <sehe> Ok, can you type up the source? I'll give you a simple command line then
[01:25] <sehe> modjo: ^^
[01:26] <modjo> sehe: on that link look for the hello world program
[01:26] <robotgeek> modjo: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:26] <aguitel> anyone use sbackup from the konsole ?
[01:26] <robotgeek> modjo: then, read up on how to compile programs :)
[01:26] <sehe> modjo: saw it. Save as 'hello.cpp', then either 'make hello' on a system with standard binutils, or do manual:
[01:27] <sehe> modjo:  g++ main.cpp
[01:27] <modjo> lemme trya g++
[01:27] <intelikey> ok another question about dns's does it matter what dns one uses on the internet ?
[01:27] <sehe> modjo: g++ automatically links libcpp instead of glibcand uses STL include paths etc
[01:27] <spiroo> hello, I wondering, how do i contact those people who currently developing Kubuntu version 7.10. I have a several bugs notices that I wanna share with all of you
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: You may try kdevelop (IDE) if you are on KDE
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: Anjuta (IDE) otherwise
[01:28] <modjo> i dont have g package
[01:28] <modjo> downloading
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: Eclipse seems to have proper CDT (IDE) as well, never tried it
[01:28] <robotgeek> intelikey: it does matter if the dns does not "behave"
[01:28] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install build-essentials     <-- modjo
[01:28] <modjo> let give it wome time
[01:28] <modjo> i do have eclipse but i cant understand it for simple programs
[01:28] <spiroo> anyone?
[01:28] <modjo> just huve packages
[01:28] <modjo> *huge
[01:29] <robotgeek> spiroo: file bugs on launchpad?
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: eclipse is originally Java-dev oriented
[01:29] <intelikey> spiroo kubuntu+1
[01:29] <spiroo> I wanna contact, developers for kubuntu, how do I do?
[01:29] <nixternal> spiroo: report...what robotgeek said :)
[01:29] <intelikey> spiroo channel #kubuntu+1
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: You'd have to go and Find/Install updates (Help menu)
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: But how's the command line compile going?
[01:29] <nixternal> spiroo: you can email kubuntu-devel AT lists DOT ubuntu DOT com -- but I am afraid you will be pointed to LP to file a bug
[01:29] <modjo> ok
[01:29] <modjo> it compiled
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: ?
[01:29] <modjo> how do i run it?
[01:29] <spiroo> okey, sorry not to familiar with this IRC-client, how do I change to channel #Kubuntu+1?
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: great. you're on your way then!
[01:30] <modjo> yes half way :D
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: Be sure to check out boost (it has ubuntu packages)
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: more questions (uhoh)?
[01:30] <intelikey> spiroo /join <channel>
[01:30] <modjo> how do i run it?
[01:30] <modjo> it did complied it
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: default output is named a.out
[01:30] <spiroo> okey, because I have found a several heavy core bugs which gonna destroy the system. I have reinstalled a dussinn of times
[01:30] <modjo> *compiled
[01:30] <nixternal> what is kubuntu+1?
[01:30] <modjo> yes inddeed
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: ./a.out should run it
[01:31] <modjo> hahahaha
[01:31] <modjo> NICE!!!!!!!!!!
[01:31] <nixternal> isn't there already an ubuntu+1 which has way more people to help you out
[01:31] <modjo> modjo 1, c++ 0
[01:31] <sehe> modjo: separate options (i believe -o hello) are used to name it differently
[01:31] <nixternal> lol
[01:31] <sehe> modjo: way to go
[01:31] <nixternal> sehe: you are correct ::    g++ -o foo foo.cpp
[01:31] <modjo> guys i really love you for helping noobs
[01:31] <Karti> sehe: Level15: Finally, does #//bin/cat /dev/null > $HOME/backup.log mean that I am reading the results of dev/null and puting them to home/backup.log (which would equal nothing?)
[01:31] <modjo> you saved me :D
[01:31] <nixternal> modjo: and we love you for using Kubuntu!
[01:32] <sehe> Karti: simply, yes
[01:32] <spiroo> there is none on channel kubuntu+1
[01:32] <robotgeek> modjo: you should also invest some time in learning a build tool like cmake or scons
[01:32] <sehe> Karti: so, like doing 'touch $HOME/backup.log'...
[01:32] <aguitel> anyone use sbackup here?
[01:32] <modjo> i would but right now im at homework
[01:32] <modjo> so i need it really bad
[01:32] <nixternal> spiroo: +1 channels are for dev releases (ie. gutsy support)
[01:32] <spiroo> nvm, i tried ubuntu instead.
[01:33] <spiroo> yes I noticed that
[01:33] <intelikey> Karti short answer   yes
[01:33] <spiroo> I wanna report about gutsy yes
[01:33] <sehe> modjo: good luck then
[01:33] <Karti> lol which make it more confusing why my script needs it :)
[01:33] <modjo> sehe, robotgeek and nixternal
[01:33] <nixternal> spiroo: as long as it isn't related to Konqueror and Flash locking up or OpenOffice.org not starting, then go for it :)
[01:33] <modjo> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[01:33] <sehe> Karti: yup lucky you
[01:33] <modjo> :D
[01:33] <modjo> gotta go
[01:34] <sehe> modjo: cya
[01:34] <modjo> homework claims my blood
[01:34] <nixternal> later modjo
[01:34] <spiroo> it has not to do with that ;P
[01:34] <nixternal> modjo: ##c++ also
[01:34] <modjo> and may the power of god compiles you!
[01:34] <spiroo> It has to do with partitions and boot process
[01:34] <nixternal> ooh, something new :)
[01:34] <intelikey> Karti exception would be if /dev/null was deleted (hackers trick) and things that used >/dev/null would have writen a file, then you would be backing up that data
[01:35] <sehe> Karti: again, what happens if you don't have the /dev/null line :)
[01:35] <sehe> Karti: is the backup complete, if you include it, or what?
[01:35] <spiroo> btw, does anyone know if there is a better tool than testdisk to fully recover lost data on the hdd
[01:35] <Level15> Karti: yep... basically you are just creating an empty file
[01:36] <Level15> Karti: sorry i took so long to answer
[01:36] <sehe> Level15: hi back...
[01:36] <Karti> intelikey: cheers - sehe: no it generally only creates a file that is about 8.3kb instead of 36MB
[01:37] <Karti> Level15: no probs, great to get some help
[01:38] <sehe> Karti: but if you include the 'magic line', the backup is 100% ok?
[01:38] <Level15> Karti: i am still surprised you need to do that...
[01:38] <intelikey> spiroo not that i know of.   if testdisk doesn't do it you need some "real" data recovery methoods   like   dd  or   cat    and a large decyphering zone
[01:38] <intelikey> and plenty of time and exp
[01:38] <sehe> Karti: i should be going to bed i'm afraid
[01:38] <Karti> yes, if the line is in it works great , if not if copies the four files but it looks as thought he tarballs are shells of their formwr self!
[01:39] <Karti> former self even!!
[01:39] <sehe> Karti: hahaha
[01:40] <kondeDrakul> i am angry
[01:41] <sehe> Karti: what prompted you to enter the magic line in the first place? Did you get the idea from somehwere? It might give me a clue, as otherwise I'm stupified :D
[01:41] <spiroo> intelikey: Is there any tool with GUI and that could retrieve full filenames and catalog structure?
[01:41] <intelikey> hi angry
[01:41] <mudge> hey anyone here into programming?
[01:41] <nixternal> what's up mudge?
[01:41] <sehe> mudge: more specific?
[01:41] <spiroo> mudge: yes
[01:41] <intelikey> spiroo idk.   what is the fs in question ?
[01:41] <robinson> stdin, are you awake this evening?
[01:41] <mudge> haha,  more specific:  computer porgramming
[01:42] <sehe> mudge: still more?
[01:42] <Bartho> ^^
[01:42] <Karti> sehe: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6512
[01:42] <robinson> klobster:
[01:42] <sehe> Karti: thx
[01:42] <mudge> what's your favorite programming languages?
[01:42] <spiroo> php
[01:42] <sehe> mudge: all of them? C# java, python, c++
[01:42] <intelikey> mudge install build-essential and kdevelop    and have at it
[01:42] <nixternal> mudge: probably a better question to ask in an offtopic non-support channel really
[01:43] <Level15> Sartre
[01:43] <Bartho> not my favourite, but have to use php ^^
[01:43] <Level15> XD
[01:43] <spiroo> depends what kind of programming btw.
[01:43] <Karti> sehe: Its 12.43 here as well.......eyes not opening like they used to, when I was a looooooooot younger!#
[01:43] <robinson> trying to help a friend with a dialup connection. He is using KPPP, gets a dialtone and a partial handshake, but then PPPD died unexpectedly
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal: good point
[01:43] <spiroo> I am programming webapplications with php.
[01:43] <robinson> any ideas?
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal:i'm new to IRC today
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal: not really up to speed with channels and all :D
[01:43] <mudge> sehe:  even haskell and Common Lisp?
[01:43] <nixternal> sehe: you are rockin' and rollin'
[01:43] <intelikey> spiroo  what is the fs in question ?
[01:43] <sauvin> Nope, I think the drive is toast. It won't even accept device numbers now.
[01:43] <sehe> mudge: nah too excentric for my taste
[01:44] <sauvin> oops, sorry, wrong channel.
[01:44] <pompel> hmm...is Konversation the preferred irc app around here?
[01:44] <sehe> mudge: did some guile scripting tho :D
[01:44] <spiroo> intelikey: what about fs? what does that mean?
[01:44] <robotgeek> spiroo: filesystem
[01:44] <intelikey> fs = file system
[01:44] <mudge> rad
[01:44] <mudge> i have to use php sometimes too
[01:44] <spiroo> ah sorry, I need mostly for ext3, but also for ntfs.
[01:45] <sehe> mudge: poor you
[01:45] <mudge> thanks sehe
[01:45] <sehe> nixternal: i think i might be an addict pretty soon, yes
[01:45] <Bartho> tehehe
[01:45] <intelikey> spiroo for ext#   if you haven't destroied the fs  mount with the second superblock   and it shouldn't need recovering
[01:46] <spiroo> I have formatted it accidently :(
[01:46] <intelikey> for  ntfs   i have no clue.
[01:46] <intelikey> spiroo with what did you format it ?
[01:46] <spiroo> There is good tools for windows partitions, btw, just thought about that :P
[01:47] <Bartho> thinking about going to sleep, or does anyone have anyone an idea about my "screen goes blank after 5 minutes" problem? :)
[01:47] <spiroo> I formatted when to reinstall linux kubuntu
[01:47] <spiroo> not sure, that tool installation use
[01:47] <sehe> Bartho: no my mind goes blank after 5 seconds of cracking on that question:)
[01:47] <Bartho> sehe :p
[01:48] <Bartho> sehe: and sorry for bothering you ;)
[01:48] <robinson> anyone here use dial up for internet connection?
[01:48] <spiroo> I found files with testdisk but it returned like 4000 files, and none with real filename or folder name
[01:48] <Bartho> ofc the german guys cant help me with it too
[01:49] <spiroo> robinson: Do not think so, we live in the second century
[01:49] <intelikey> spiroo hmmmm   looks like you really loused that up...    and if any new data has been writen to that fs   you can forget recovering,   if not you might possably recover the files but not with any tool i'm aware of.  only with cli commands
[01:49] <matias_> Hi guys I have a problem I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:49] <robinson> hah.. i am on fiber myself, trying to help a friend who lives in an area where broadband is not available
[01:49] <sehe> Bartho: np
[01:49] <matias_> I have a Sounblaster 16 sound card
[01:50] <matias_> Hi guys I have a problem I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:51] <intelikey> spiroo the command that was used is   mke2fs -cj <device>     and it will have over writen all the superblocks and the journal    so recovery is a bite by byte  process
[01:51] <spiroo> intelikey: hmm, I guess so. I guess I have to go thrue all that files I have, I found some of the important files. I just wanna return one folder which I had a webapplication in
[01:51] <sehe> peeps, I'm off
[01:51] <sehe> Karti: gl and cya
[01:51] <sehe> Bartho: go to sleep :D
[01:51] <Karti> sehe: many thanks for all
[01:52] <sehe> bye
[01:52] <spiroo> intelikey: why, why me :P:(
[01:52] <Bartho> sehe: no :p
[01:52] <spiroo> I hate prereleases
[01:52] <intelikey> spiroo yeah there wont be any "folders" per'se   they are just inodes like all other files...
[01:52] <Bartho> sehe: and good night... i never sleep :p#
[01:52] <spiroo> I only use v7.10 because It has full support for wireless WPA2
[01:52] <jarohp> hello there. I'm providing dhcpd with my ubuntu box but somehow devices connected all obtain same ip address. Is it somehow possible to disallow this stupid behaviour. To force unique addresses being given to clients? Using dhcpd but might use any other dhcpd
[01:53] <robinson> jarohp, by chance are all the devices accidentally set to a static IP of the same address?
[01:54] <matias_> Anyone can help to me? I have problems with the sound I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:54] <robotgeek> jarohp: i belive dnsmasq allows you to have ip addresses based on mac addresses. i think dhcpd must have the same feature
[01:54] <spiroo> I guess in the future I should never install a prerelease/beta
[01:54] <intelikey> spiroo if it's any consolation, let this be the lesson of the year, nothing but nothing is a replacement for good backups.
[01:54] <robinson> matias, what is your sound card again?
[01:54] <jarohp> robinson: yes, but I plug in a lot of "anonymous" devices for shorter periods of time - no chance of static mac-ip binding.
[01:55] <matias_> I so sorry, is a Sound Blaster 16
[01:55] <spiroo> I usually do backups, but this time I jsut lost data that I was not aware of :(
[01:55] <intelikey> :(
[01:55] <spiroo> BUT I DAMN SHOULD HAVE DONE :P
[01:56] <intelikey> heh  !language  !shout      and yeah.
[01:56] <jarohp> robinson: devices are set to dhcp... they really ask for address and accidentaly they get the same address. I tried 3 kinds of dhcp servers and they all do the same (though the actual address given to all devices differ)
[01:56] <spiroo> speaking of sound, I have real problem with soundo r Linux has. It does not sound right.
[01:56] <robinson> matias_  have you configured the sound card in kcontrol?
[01:56] <robotgeek> jarohp: okay, still it just seems like weird behaviour. do you have ip ranges set correctly
[01:56] <matias_> yes
[01:56] <intelikey> !sound | spiroo
[01:56] <spiroo> It works perfectly, except that it get some bruisy noise or what it is called in english
[01:56] <jarohp> robotgeek: i'm totaly confused what might cause this awful behaviour.
[01:56] <ubotu> spiroo: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:56] <intelikey> see the trubble shooting page   ^
[01:57] <robinson> jarohp: are you also using a router, or just a switch?
[01:57] <jarohp> robotgeek: yes, definitely
[01:57] <spiroo> uboto: thanks, but not thnkas, I have tried that, does not work
[01:57] <jarohp> robinson: tried asus router, tried second asus router, tried my ubuntu as dhcp server.
[01:57] <robinson> matias, you may want to chec kthose links posted above
[01:57] <robotgeek> jarohp: sorry, no clue
[01:57] <intelikey> spiroo ummm then you need crimson
[01:57] <matias_> OK
[01:58] <spiroo> crimson?
[01:58] <intelikey> if you can find him around,
[01:58] <robinson> if you have a router running in conjunction with the dhcp server, make sure the router is not set to also act as a dhcp server
[01:58] <robinson> that can cause some weirdness
[01:58] <matias_> Robinson: Thank you so much
[01:58] <spiroo> ah okey, i thought it was an application, lol :D
[01:59] <intelikey> crimsun got time to help spiroo with sound ?
[01:59] <robotgeek> he's away
[02:00] <intelikey> brb
[02:00] <spiroo> crimsun is on: channel ubuntu+1
[02:00] <jarohp> those devices request same address...
[02:00] <spiroo> but I cannot contact with private messages :(
[02:00] <iceolate> anyone here familiar with rubyripper?
[02:00] <jarohp> or maybe not
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPOFFER on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.251.150 from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPACK on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPOFFER on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.251.150 from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPACK on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:01] <robinson> jarohp: sorry if i missed it, but what is your setup?
[02:01] <robinson> are there any peeps on here experienced with Linux and dialup?
[02:02] <el> Good day
[02:02] <intelikey> dialup
[02:02] <intelikey> what you need is a real modem
[02:03] <intelikey> what you have is probably a winmodem
[02:03] <robinson> you are correct, it is an Agere/Lucent winmodem
[02:03] <robinson> it does dial
[02:03] <el> is there a new version of OPENOFFICE I have VER 2.2
[02:03] <robinson> it attempts to handshake
[02:03] <robinson> then, PPPD daemon died unexpectedly
[02:03] <intelikey> robinson hmmm try using wvdial ?
[02:03] <fremen_> hi guys this koffice is the same as the openoffice 2.0?
[02:04] <intelikey> more info on what is actually happening
[02:04] <robinson> unfortunately, this is not for my setup, i wont have a chance to try again for another day or so
[02:04] <robinson> Intelikey, you mind if i private chat with you?
[02:04] <fremen_> or do i need to download the openoffice
[02:04] <kondeDrakul> anyone use sbackup ?
[02:04] <intelikey> na go ahead
[02:05] <robinson> umm how do i register?
[02:05] <intelikey> !register
[02:05] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:05] <robinson> !register
[02:05] <intelikey> !bot
[02:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:06] <elite101> the new Ubuntu?!?!?!?! Ubuntu 8.06 - Haughty Husky
[02:06] <intelikey> !botsnack | ubotu !botabuse
[02:06] <ubotu> ubotu !botabuse: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:07] <kondeDrakul> !sbackup
[02:07] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[02:07] <kondeDrakul> !srestore
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about srestore - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <intelikey> elite101 are you sure about the month ?
[02:08] <elite101> lol its on google
[02:08] <elite101> but maybe?
[02:08] <spiroo> crimsun, do you have time to help me with my sound
[02:08] <elite101> wow theres like 1,074ppl on ubuntu channel? :S
[02:08] <elite101> sorry'
[02:08] <elite101> its 8.04
[02:09] <robotgeek> spiroo: he is away (see /whois <username>)
[02:09] <spiroo> I saw that :(
[02:09] <iceolate> has anyone in here used rubyripper? i've having trouble getting it started
[02:11] <spiroo> btw, about file recovering, I cannot read and write from ext3 partitions, weird. And when I try to open Dolphin as root it says hal-storage-refused uid 1000
[02:11] <spiroo> or I mean when I try to read after opened as root
[02:11] <elite101> is it possiable with a nic card and a WIFI atheros card to make a "network bridge"? i wanna share an internet connection with my lappy?
[02:11] <elite101> i have a D-link DWL-G510 card
[02:12] <spiroo> nvm, sorted it out
[02:16] <spiroo> btw, does anyone know if wireless WPA2 works on any version/dist of linux?
[02:16] <spiroo> except kubuntu v7.10
[02:17] <spiroo> anyone?
[02:17] <spiroo> I need a stable version
[02:18] <spiroo> and working ;P
[02:18] <rathel> I'm trying to run XGL on KDE and it's really slow, anyway I can speed it up?
[02:18] <spiroo> rathel: new processor? lol
[02:18] <spiroo> *CPU
[02:19] <rathel> spiroo: Perhaps, but it runs just fine under gnome.
[02:19] <spiroo> not sure, I have same problem when running GParted in KDE. The best is to use apps that is coded for a certain DE
[02:19] <spiroo> Desktop engine
[02:20] <dustin> anyone here used dvd::rip?
[02:20] <spiroo> btw, a KDE 4 is moving, maybe finished soon. Beta 1 released
[02:21] <spiroo> rathel: BTW, real interesting when you said it btw. I also wanna know how to fastup an application which is slow in "wrong" DE
[02:21] <robotgeek> dustin: i have used it once, though all that stuff takes far too long on my computer
[02:22] <dustin> i keep getting an error
[02:22] <dustin> basically, the movie has x frames but you only ripped y which is less than x.  This is most likely a problem with your transcode/libdvdread installation
[02:22] <dustin> any idea how to fix?
[02:23] <spiroo> why rip, when you can download? :D
[02:23] <dustin> haha
[02:23] <dustin> i have a 300 dvd collection
[02:23] <dustin> that i want to get ripped as part of a media center
[02:23] <spiroo> hehe, that was a joke, if anyone took that to serious ;P
[02:24] <dustin> PIRATE, to the gallows!
[02:24] <spiroo> hehe ;P
[02:25] <spiroo> is all 300 dvd legaly buyed? :D
[02:25] <dustin> haha, yeah.  we buy used
[02:25] <spiroo> haha okey
[02:26] <spiroo> anyway it is a crime to take duplicates, even if it is for private use
[02:26] <dustin> oh well :(
[02:26] <elite101> sorry like i was saying
[02:27] <spiroo> not every single dvd is under that law, but most of them. Just so you know.
[02:28] <elite101> is there away to share an internet connection with my Nic card to my Wificard? kinda like a "network Bridge" so i can make my broadband into wireless so i can share it with my lappy?
[02:28] <spiroo> elite101: why?
[02:28] <dustin> yeah, i refuse to follow that one.  I purchased the DVD and I feel I have the right to make a backup even if breaking the encryption breaks the law.  I'm not morally opposed
[02:28] <elite101> i have a PCI D-link DWL-G510 athereos card
[02:28] <elite101> cuz
[02:28] <elite101> for my laptop
[02:29] <spiroo> why not use the wireless connection from router if you have one?
[02:29] <elite101> i dont have one :(
[02:29] <elite101> its just the way i have things setup now
[02:29] <spiroo> ah okey, do you plug in brodband directly to your pc then?
[02:29] <elite101> yeah
[02:30] <elite101> then i have a spare Wifi card
[02:30] <elite101> that i dont use
[02:30] <spiroo> hmm okay, I should either buy a router or switch.
[02:30] <elite101> lol i cant do it at all?
[02:30] <spiroo> about share a wireless and not, do not think it works like that
[02:30] <elite101> i have a netgear but its somewhere esle :(
[02:30] <elite101> plus it sucks
[02:31] <spiroo> hehe tell me about it, wired ftw
[02:31] <spiroo> I hate wireless, but I have to use wirless :(
[02:31] <spiroo> linux, does not make it easier ... :D
[02:31] <elite101> i know wireless is slowwwwwww
[02:32] <spiroo> nah not these days
[02:32] <elite101> yeah but
[02:32] <elite101> wireless seems to dip lower and higher
[02:32] <spiroo> 802.11n could get over 100Mbit/s
[02:32] <elite101> ethernet is like straight forward
[02:32] <spiroo> hmm, yes, wireless does loose some "power" on the way
[02:33] <elite101> yeah
[02:33] <elite101> but either way beats having wire's running across ur house*
[02:33] <elite101> lol
[02:33] <spiroo> but I do not think it is possible to make your pc to an wireless conncetion
[02:33] <elite101> i was going to buy a fonera wireless doggle thing? does linux support that
[02:34] <elite101> i need another wireless Doggle my PCI card sucks :(
[02:34] <spiroo> I am going to get a multimedia center with wired to all rooms build-in the celing
[02:34] <elite101> and i need one cuz its usb and i can just by an extenstion
[02:34] <elite101> lol
[02:34] <elite101> cool
[02:34] <elite101> 1gbps?
[02:34] <spiroo> hehe, do not buy a ratlink 2500 :D
[02:34] <elite101> lol
[02:34] <elite101> 1GBPS? thou is that good?
[02:35] <elite101> like if i have a 100mbps and switch tp 1gbps will it make it faster my internet by like 5kps? lol
[02:35] <elite101> since it can handle more
[02:35] <spiroo> nope, or I think so. wired/fiber has the "power" to put thrue a 1 Gbit-line. Unfortunatly no IPS has that speed these days for private people
[02:36] <elite101> yeah
[02:36] <elite101> only for buisnes's i never seen a connection that had about over 1.5mbps download speed
[02:36] <elite101> only like 700kbps/500kbps
[02:36] <spiroo> But in my country, not sure about your, but one guy here in Sweden get connected to a whole town network and has 42 Gbit/s in his house :D
[02:37] <elite101> WOW
[02:37] <elite101> lol
[02:37] <elite101> i get 400mbps
[02:37] <spiroo> so it is possible
[02:37] <elite101> but it downloads @ 700kbps
[02:37] <spiroo> 400 Mbit/s? wtf
[02:37] <elite101> well it's 400mb
[02:37] <elite101> but on my windows box
[02:37] <spiroo> 400 mb/s you mean?
[02:37] <elite101> i think it reads it as 400mbps
[02:37] <elite101> yeah
[02:38] <elite101> sorry diff things
[02:38] <spiroo> it is difference between mbit and mb ;P
[02:38] <elite101> yeah i know lol
[02:38] <elite101> lol i wanna get 1tbit/s when it comes out
[02:38] <elite101> :P
[02:38] <spiroo> I have 24 Mbit/s which is approximatly 1 Mb/s in download speed
[02:38] <elite101> yeah wow
[02:39] <elite101> well mine reads 400mbS but is only 11mbit
[02:39] <elite101> its highspeed :( but its lite
[02:39] <spiroo> I am maybe gonna get 100 Mbit/s in the new house with build-in multimedia center :)
[02:39] <elite101> from cogeco
[02:39] <elite101> yeah lol
[02:39] <elite101> well 700kbps for me is okay
[02:39] <intelikey> !virus | mykrobinson
[02:39] <ubotu> mykrobinson: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:39] <elite101> i usually download ISO's
[02:40] <elite101> mhmm cool i wanna read that
[02:40] <intelikey> !virus > mykrobinson
[02:40] <spiroo> 1 Tbit/s is a little bit to much, do not you think. Just think about Youtube, which use a high amount of bandwidth of the internet.
[02:41] <elite101> yeah
[02:41] <elite101> lol
[02:41] <spiroo> Just think if everyone should download in 1 TB/s today. internet would explode of overload 24/7 :D
[02:41] <elite101> 500mbytes per second download speed lol who downloads 500mb per second?!??!
[02:42] <elite101> yeah
[02:42] <elite101> servers would fry
[02:42] <elite101> 500mb persecond u could think of a Cd album u want and it would take 2sec to download an album as if u were downloading an image
[02:42] <elite101> like 2kb.ps lol
[02:43] <spiroo> haha yeah. Or with 500 MB/s it would take just a minute i would guess to download a 4.4 GB movie
[02:44] <spiroo> but, it is stille some people in this century which use modems and dial-up connection :D
[02:44] <elite101> yeah lol not even
[02:44] <elite101> 1Tera bit would be 500Mega bytes/second
[02:44] <elite101> yeah lol
[02:44] <spiroo> Evryone need to seed also :D
[02:44] <elite101> dialup=2kbps
[02:44] <elite101> yeah
[02:44] <elite101> lol
[02:44] <elite101> imagine seeding on dial-up OWHHHW the madness
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> I have dial up... stop mocking me... :(
[02:45] <elite101> :P
[02:45] <elite101> it took u an hour to type that and send it
[02:46] <spiroo> sorry, just I cannot imagine it anymore because I loosed that techology far ago :P anyway, is there anything I could help with, not PRO on linux, but I have learned a bit latest days.
[02:46] <intelikey> I have dial up... stop mocking me...    too
[02:46] <elite101> lol sorry
[02:46] <elite101> its just soo old
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> feel sorry for us please...
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> we are pitiful..
[02:47] <elite101> sorry( i do
[02:47] <spiroo> you would earn to switch from modem => broadband, trust me. My family did, and it goes faster too ;P
[02:47] <elite101> lol
[02:47] <elite101> it sucks when u go from fast internet to slow eh? like broadband to wireless
[02:47] <ConstyXIV> does amarok have DAAP support?
[02:47] <elite101> ehhh wireless is slowww my PCI card is only 54mbps
[02:48] <spiroo> We had some high bills with modem, and it goes lower because there constant with broadband. With modem you pay for what you use.
[02:48] <elite101> yeah
[02:48] <spiroo> or you pay for more than u use :D
[02:48] <elite101> lol but u dont use alot thou
[02:48] <elite101> cuz its slowww
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> spiroo:  its $14 permonth here... and we can't get dsl
[02:48] <elite101> ppl from australia have dial-up
[02:48] <elite101> :(
[02:48] <intelikey> spiroo hmmm phone bill is unaffected by my isp
[02:49] <elite101> 9$ for dial up here?
[02:49] <elite101> :S
[02:49] <sfire> I have 2 internet connections.. One direct ethernet straight to a cable modem (no router) and one via the neighbors wireless.. can anyone tell me how to get them to work together.. for some reason right now when I connect to both it always uses the wireless
[02:49] <intelikey> yeah $9 here
[02:49] <spiroo> To bad, sorry I feel sorry for you that you cannot get this oopurtunity with broadband
[02:49] <intelikey> was $7  but that company dropped out of sight.
[02:49] <spiroo> 9$ per kb or what? :D
[02:49] <elite101> sfire, thats funny i did the same thing i went from my neighbours wireless connection to my modem with no router :P
[02:50] <intelikey> spiroo per month
[02:50] <elite101> lol
[02:50] <elite101> xD
[02:50] <sfire> elite101: were you able to get them both working at once?
[02:50] <elite101> ohh why?
[02:50] <spiroo> is it possible these days to pay per mounth?
[02:50] <sfire> I want it to share the bandwidth between the two connections
[02:50] <elite101> hook up a NIC card and wireless card to ur pc? and connect the NIC to the mdoem and the wireless to the BSSID?!?!?!
[02:50] <elite101> ahhh i dont know
[02:50] <elite101> i dont think u can?
[02:50] <intelikey> spiroo heh  yeah.
[02:51] <elite101> :S
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> sfire: hmmm, its possible I THINK. not sure how one would do it though
[02:51] <elite101> sfire, if u find away please tell me lol i have the same thing :P
[02:51] <sfire> elite101: I know there is a way
[02:51] <spiroo> it was not before for me ... Anyway, you cannot mix serveral internet connection to one single. Maybe there is some way. I saw some Microsoft application for that before, but not sure it is working.
[02:51] <elite101> my neighbours wifi=100mbps my connection 11megabits
[02:51] <ConstyXIV> can you use DAAP sharing in Amarok?
[02:52] <spiroo> elite101: haha
[02:52] <elite101> o_0 whats DAAP? audio/video file?
[02:52] <spiroo> get your neighbours then?
[02:52] <elite101> lol
[02:52] <elite101> nahh
[02:52] <elite101> my atenna from my linksys broke :(
[02:52] <ConstyXIV> elite101: it's a protocol to share music across a LAN
[02:52] <elite101> ahh ic
[02:52] <spiroo> linux is perfect to hack into networks WEP/WPA
[02:52] <elite101> yeah true
[02:53] <elite101> esp athereos chipset
[02:53] <spiroo> heh
[02:53] <spiroo> why share just music in a LAN?
[02:53] <intelikey> wireless is made to be hacked isn't it ?
[02:53] <spiroo> yes.
[02:53] <sfire> I know it works when I specify the IP in some apps.. like Torrent
[02:54] <spiroo> I hate to be dependent of wireless
[02:54] <spiroo> what, is it possible to use utorrent in linux?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> sfire: yeah, I think thats how you have to do it... one connection per app
[02:54] <intelikey>  ?
[02:54] <sfire> mine is atheros
[02:55] <sfire> I live in stupid ville.. no reason to hack
[02:55] <intelikey> !torrent
[02:55] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> sfire: anyway... I really don't know how to do it besides that it is possible... maybe ask on #linux
[02:55] <spiroo> Torrent I mean of course ;P
[02:56] <spiroo> I only want utorrent, it is the greatest, why bother with bittorando and azureus in linux?
[02:56] <intelikey>  ???   that char doesn't appear correctly for me...  what is it ?
[02:57] <spiroo> intelikey, it is a letter/char for micro
[02:57] <spiroo> or mikro maybe, not sure.
[02:57] <intelikey> oh.  ok.
[02:57] <intelikey> the pico symble maybe ?
[02:57] <spiroo> no, micro
[02:58] <spiroo> like 5 F
[02:58] <intelikey> thought that was ""  not ""
[02:58] <spiroo> hmm not sure.
[02:58] <intelikey> it the ""  that just shows as  "?"  in my console
[02:59] <spiroo> I guess so, dpends on which charset i guess
[02:59] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:59] <ConstyXIV> does anyone know how to set up a DAAP share in amarok?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> that shows as the micro u and a square box
[03:00] <intelikey> ConstyXIV a negitive answer hardly helps you, but it may be of some comfort to know we weren't ignoring you.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> fo me
[03:02] <spiroo> speaking of sound, is there anyway to get winamp for linux. No app is gonna replace that. It is like firefox, you jsut have to have it.
[03:02] <intelikey> nosrednaekim hmmm one char here but it wont display so the console gives a ? to signify that there is a char there.  if i copy and paste it get two chars \  so i was just assuming that it's a modified micro   which should equal pico  but that was a guess...
[03:03] <spiroo> a music share protocol for LAN like they said before ;P
[03:03] <BluesKaj> just got here
[03:03] <intelikey> spiroo heh   i don't like ff so that whole statement is moot to me...   :)
[03:04] <spiroo> haha okey
[03:04] <spiroo> what browser do you use then?
[03:04] <spiroo> I hope not IE? :D
[03:05] <intelikey> elinks  has become the browser of choice here.   but dillo if i need quick graphics.
[03:05] <intelikey> used to use links2 for both...
[03:05] <spiroo> okey, never heard about. I use FX or Opera, or maybe sometimes Konqueror if i have to
[03:05] <intelikey> but links2 is weak on ssl support so i have kinda moved away from it.
[03:06] <yotux> I installed squirrelmail but it did not create any links in /var/www any ideas
[03:06] <intelikey> or konqueror if i'm not concerned about the bloat     yeah.
[03:06] <spiroo> haha okay
[03:07] <spiroo> do you use a "low-performed" pc?
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> no.. he's a maniac.. k?
[03:07] <intelikey> lowend boxen is my forte
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:07] <spiroo> lowend boxen? what do you mean. sorry, im swedish :D
[03:08] <intelikey> you have an 8088 with 640k  ????      /me calls BS on that.   512 max
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> sfire: put vista on that baby! 640k should be enough for anyone!
[03:09] <yotux> lol
[03:09] <spiroo> haha, I guess that is bad, but okay
[03:09] <intelikey> well it may have 640k  but i don't think it shipped with it.
[03:09] <spiroo> Anyway I prefer Core 2 or Pentium 4
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Turion X2!!
[03:10] <sfire> intelikey: I have 2 internet connections.. One direct ethernet straight to a cable modem (no router) and one via the neighbors wireless.. can anyone tell me how to get them to work together.. for some reason right now when I connect to both it always uses the wireless
[03:10] <sfire> oops
[03:10] <spiroo> but 3 GHz is enough to run Vista anyway, lol :D
[03:10] <sfire> intelikey: http://www.uncreativelabs.net/pcxtclub/oldxt.htm
[03:10] <sfire> yes they really had 640k of ram
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: k7's aren't bad! you can run KDE with that...
[03:10] <intelikey> nosrednaekim you can run kde on a k6
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: what.. is a k7 a Duron?
[03:11] <spiroo> haha noway, 640 Kb RAM? wtf
[03:11] <Artimus> I have a K6-2 on a shelf...  I miss that box
[03:12] <spiroo> haha and I thought I was a geek :D
[03:12] <sfire> spiroo: it was the sh*t back in the day.. I also had a 10MB hard drive.. which I told everyone I would never fill in 1000 yrs
[03:12] <spiroo> haha
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> I use a k6 for a hair comb :)
[03:12] <BluesKaj> nite all...turning in now, tired
[03:12] <spiroo> I have 500 GB, I have never been on these days when Gates begun
[03:12] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i don't know the code names that well,  just know that k6 was about like p1-p2   k7 covered p2-4  and  k8 is 64bit
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> ah ok... k6 is the durons then...
[03:13] <spiroo> intelikey, what is a kx?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> k7 would be the socket A athlons
[03:13] <intelikey> spiroo amd processors.
[03:13] <Artimus> umm....  K6 was the AMD K6...
[03:13] <spiroo> ah okey, old ones?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: AMD processor generations
[03:13] <Artimus> i586, Pentium Pro erra
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: no.... k8 is the present AMD architecture
[03:13] <spiroo> yes, I understand that at least :P
[03:14] <spiroo> aha I thought you talked about old school CPU
[03:14] <Hirum> hi guys i have a newbie question after you use a command with sudo to install something how do you go back to your user
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> nah.. k7 is like 4 years old
[03:14] <Artimus> AMD K6, not a Duron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K6
[03:14] <spiroo> If you ask me, AMD and ATI sucks
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> or maybe 6
[03:14] <intelikey> yes yes very old.   ancient, out dated, realics of time gone by.    10 years old now.
[03:14] <spiroo> that is fucking old for me :D
[03:15] <spiroo> pc is not so old. The first Altar and Comadore CPU :D That is damn old schoold :D
[03:16] <intelikey> very old.
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: those durons out perform the latest Vias... lol
[03:16] <spiroo> not quite sure when bill gates and the company started but not ages ago anyway
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> 1984 I think....
[03:17] <intelikey> nosrednaekim heh the p1mmx 100mhz i just setup as a server for someone will run kde just fine.    no joke.
[03:17] <spiroo> thats not a very long time. PC and Internet has growing rapidly fast
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> wow....
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: my 233 pmmx won't run KDE...
[03:17] <spiroo> damn, if that possible, anything is :D
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> xfce works though
[03:18] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes it will.   if you set it up correctly.
[03:18] <spiroo> why bother, may i ask?
[03:18] <intelikey> spiroo addressed to ?
[03:19] <spiroo> you and nosrednaekim
[03:19] <spiroo> I mean why bother try setup with that old CPU?
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: yeah... I guess so.
[03:19] <intelikey> spiroo simple   there is nothing wrong with the hardware, why throw it away?    put it to use and save the world.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: cause if you have some old hardware and some extra time you can make it perform quite well.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> for most stuff 1GHz is absolutly fine
[03:20] <spiroo> maybe, but It has no support I guess, almost not
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> even eccesive
[03:20] <spiroo> for me with 3 GHz, KDE goes slow
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: on the contrary.. the older it is..the more supported it is
[03:21] <intelikey> dump the industrial attitude of "you have to junk that and buy new"   and join the reality of "if it aint broke, put linux on it"
[03:21] <spiroo> maybe because harddrive moving and so on in the process tree but still
[03:21] <Biovore> yay
[03:21] <mordaunt> intelikey: is responsible for the decline of global wealth
[03:21] <mordaunt> get 'im!
[03:21] <spiroo> haha okay, anyway I do not have any old
[03:21] <intelikey> mordaunt and global warming/cooling
[03:22] <mordaunt> i'm still using a 600 Mhz athlon machine =)
[03:22] <mordaunt> kubuntu ftw
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:22] <spiroo> But yeah we buy new shit because the MS and the rest has gone to milkmode like i call it
[03:23] <Jmanfoo> this is indeed true, when a computer gets too old for my daily use, i put linux on it and make it a router :-p
[03:23] <intelikey> spiroo yes you are the sheeple that support that...
[03:23] <spiroo> I mean they develop new OS all the time and we buy new hardware to drive it :P
[03:23] <spiroo> sheeple?
[03:23] <intelikey> yep
[03:23] <intelikey> it's a contraction.   people sheep
[03:24] <intelikey> no mind of your own   just do what M$ says and pay them for raping you.
[03:24] <mordaunt> it's always depressing to use windows i don't have a 1000 command line tools ready at my fingertips all the time :|
[03:25] <intelikey> but i'm not meaning to disrespect you.   that's just the "we must buy new hardware because of the new windows" attitude.
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> mordaunt, that's what cygwin is for :)
[03:25] <mordaunt> cygwin used to be clunky when i tried it like 5 years ago =)
[03:25] <spiroo> ah okey, my english is not on tip top :P And no, I totally agree with you, and I hate companys like Microsoft. I just have no choice to get with the flow
[03:25] <sfire> intelikey: some of us just like speed
[03:25] <mordaunt> haven't used windows since then :\
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> it still is for hard core apps, but for regular  binutils its pretty good
[03:26] <Jmanfoo> i absolutely cannot live without the "host" command, which windows does not have
[03:26] <intelikey> sfire nothing wrong with that.  that's a different problem and not addressed here  :)
[03:27] <spiroo> I agree with you, trust me. But I need some higher speed, because I have not much time, and time is money
[03:27] <sfire> this should all be in #kubuntu-offtopic guys
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> make Jmanfoo {bootstrap,install}
[03:28] <intelikey> Jmanfoo not only does windows not have it  but... -root: host: command not found
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> Jmanfoo: ok.. that sounded wrong.
[03:28] <intelikey> i don't either....
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> do host and an IP address
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> oh wait
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> wow, host is extremely useful
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> i have about 15 windows servers hosting webpages, and each of them has multiple IPs
[03:29] <intelikey> probably so...   what provides it ?
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> without host, i'd never be able to find anything
[03:29] <spiroo> hehe. Btw, is it possible to design your own Linux, most thought about KE but I mean from boot to here.
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> windows? i meant linux
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> spiroo, look at LFS
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> i'm building it as we speak
[03:29] <spiroo> cool
[03:30] <Jmanfoo> i'm not sure what its comes in intelikey, it's always been installed by default
[03:30] <intelikey> !info host
[03:30] <ubotu> host: utility for querying DNS servers. In component universe, is extra. Version 20000331-9 (feisty), package size 69 kB, installed size 168 kB
[03:30] <intelikey> ah
[03:30] <intelikey> ok i'll give a look.
[03:30] <Jmanfoo> it basically pulls PTR records from DNS
[03:31] <spiroo> damn cool with an own LFS. If i had time it would be possible that I would sit here now to code it. But I do not have those skills either .P
[03:31] <intelikey> hmm i never did finish setting up my nfs share on /etc/cache/apt/archives...
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> spiroo i consider myself a skilled linux user and LFS has taken me two days already and i'm still not done :p
[03:32] <spiroo> btw, catalog structure in linux deserves credit. It is just perfect and logic.
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> its not altogether hard, just time consuming, especially on older machiens
[03:32] <spiroo> hehe, two days is not much then either .P
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> glibc takes 30 minutes to make on the machine i'm using, and even longer when it keeps throwing errors :-X
[03:33] <spiroo> BTW, I consider myself as n00b, recently started with linux, should have done long time ago
[03:33] <spiroo> glibc, the core right?
[03:33] <Jmanfoo> core libraries yes
[03:33] <Jmanfoo> and if they don't build correctly, your whole system is bunk
[03:34] <Jmanfoo> spiroo are you using kubuntu as your first distro?
[03:34] <spiroo> okay, just to make sure. Linux is very interesting. But one thing. Will Linux be commercial any time in the future?
[03:34] <intelikey> yeah linux depends on glibc   or libc6  as case may be.
[03:35] <stdin> spiroo: linux can never be "commercial" in the way your asking :)
[03:35] <spiroo> yes I use Kubuntu for the moment, because I am n00b and need wirless WPA2 support without doing a long fucking process that I cannot handle
[03:35] <intelikey> linux is commercial   but it can never be controlled
[03:35] <intelikey> redhat for example.
[03:35] <sfire> spiroo: there is nothing wrong with kubuntu
[03:35] <stdin> it can't be made closed
[03:35] <Jmanfoo> kubuntu is great
[03:36] <spiroo> Okay, yes I thought so, but I hope not Microsoft buys it, if you know what I mean. When Linux is going to be a threat someone is going down sooner or later
[03:36] <Jmanfoo> spiroo i've tried ever distro there is almost, and been a linux user for over 10 years, and kubuntu is by far my favorite
[03:36] <intelikey> stdin yes there you said it.
[03:36] <stdin> spiroo: MS can't buy it, no one own it to buy it from
[03:36] <sfire> Jmanfoo: about the same here.. approx 8 yrs.. kubuntu is my fav
[03:37] <spiroo> jmanfoo: hehe okay :)
[03:37] <intelikey> stdin well technicly who owns the gnu-gpl ?
[03:37] <stroud> I agree re Kubuntu, I've used RedHat and SuSE, but I definately prefer the Debian way of doing things.
[03:37] <spiroo> but just to clarify this. Is linux open source or not, which means commercial or not?
[03:37] <Jmanfoo> it is possible to sell linux, but the source must be made available
[03:38] <klobster> robinson
[03:38] <spiroo> sounds like I have chosen right then to use Kubuntu :D
[03:38] <stdin> intelikey: well, the GNU are the authors, but do then own it?
[03:38] <Jmanfoo> so MS could never just buy it up and start selling it
[03:38] <intelikey> stroud here here.   (not *buntu specifficly but debian way)
[03:38] <intelikey> stdin idk.   someone has to renew the copyright...
[03:39] <sfire> Jmanfoo: there is nothing stopping microsoft from buying any linux distro they want.. assuming that distro will sell
[03:39] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, but can one own a licence or a contract?
[03:39] <spiroo> okay, so linux will never be controlled then?
[03:39] <stroud> commercial and open source are not exclusive terms
[03:39] <intelikey> stdin absolutely   in most countries
[03:39] <spiroo> Microsoft would buy and throw it away I think, not sell it
[03:40] <intelikey> spiroo no,  you should read the GNU-GPL
[03:40] <nzk> Christ, what the hell is Katapult? I was typing and seemed to press a key combination and a hideous graphic popped up that won't go away.
[03:40] <underdog5004> nzk, it's a nice launcher
[03:40] <sfire> nzk: its the bomb
[03:40] <underdog5004> alt-space is the combo you pressed
[03:40] <sfire> nzk: alt + spacebar
[03:40] <stdin> nzk: alt+space starts it
[03:40] <Jmanfoo> sfire the moment microsoft does that, i'll take the last good copy of that distro that i have, and devote my life to mailing copies to everyone on earth for free
[03:40] <stroud> The would like to, but as stated earlier, the license does not allow it to be closed, and since the source is already distributed all over the world, they can't "throw it away"
[03:40] <underdog5004> if you type in the name of the program you're trying to run, it will auto-complete the name
[03:40] <underdog5004> esc to close
[03:41] <nzk> Good, it went away.
[03:41] <nzk> What a piece of crap, a waste of developers time and hard drive space.
[03:41] <sfire> oohhh its the bomb
[03:41] <stroud> what is it supposed to do?
[03:41] <nzk> Annoy.
[03:41] <spiroo> I would love to see get Microsoft dissapear from the global market.
[03:41] <intelikey> nzk you just named most of the universe/multiverse repos...
[03:42] <spiroo> As someone said before, M$ rape people
[03:42] <stdin> !katapult
[03:42] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> including everything but bash.. eh intelikey?
[03:42] <intelikey> spiroo na they only rape sheeple
[03:42] <intelikey> nosrednaekim no including bash.
[03:43] <intelikey> bash is really bloated.
[03:43] <underdog5004> intelikey, it's the left alt key
[03:44] <intelikey> klobster does tab not work ?
[03:44] <spiroo> haha, but could you explain sheeple in other words, does not understand even when I recently found it in the dictionary
[03:44] <tzanger> knetworkmanager used to be doing a GREAT job of bouncing between my wired network when I was at the office and the wireless at home
[03:44] <Jmanfoo> ./configure bash CFLAGS=bigbloat
[03:44] <tzanger> now it seems to be intent on bringing eth0 (wired) up at all times
[03:44] <tzanger> dhcp eventually fails but I get a bogus IP/gateway and end up with two default routes in the esystem
[03:44] <tzanger> any ideas?
[03:44] <spiroo> anyway I have to go, 3:44 AM here, tired
[03:45] <spiroo> nice to meet you folks
[03:45] <intelikey> spiroo sheeple: people that sheepishly follower "*" to their own hurt.
[03:45] <Jmanfoo> tzanger i have yet to get wireless working reliably under kubuntu, but i think it's the fault of my crappy broadcom card
[03:45] <tzanger> Jmanfoo: it *just worked* for me
[03:45] <Jmanfoo> later spiroo
[03:45] <tzanger> I did nothing to configure it aside from give it the TKIP passphrase
[03:45] <spiroo> intelikey: haha okay. Anyway thanks to you all
[03:45] <intelikey> spiroo welcome
[03:46] <spiroo> cya some day
[03:46] <Jmanfoo> i cannot get my wifi to pull dhcp, and it seems like the card goes to sleep after 2 minutes, based on my usage of airodump-ng
[03:48] <stroud> katapult - interesting.  I might be quicker than negotiating menus
[03:48] <Biovore> yup
[03:48] <sfire> stroud: much quicker
[03:48] <Jmanfoo> howdy Biovore, how goes it?
[03:48] <Biovore> ok..
[03:48] <intelikey> !info aircrack
[03:48] <ubotu> aircrack: wireless WEP/WPA cracking utilities (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.2-7ubuntu1.1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:48] <Jmanfoo> any luck with the Nvidia drivers?
[03:48] <intelikey> !info airsnort
[03:48] <ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-1.1 (feisty), package size 49 kB, installed size 180 kB
[03:49] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: my nividia stuff works fine..
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> !info funny-manpages
[03:49] <ubotu> funny-manpages: more funny manpages. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3-5 (feisty), package size 30 kB, installed size 140 kB
[03:49] <stroud> I've had good luck with Nvidia drivers on a Gateway
[03:49] <Biovore> has been for serveral years
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> you were asking about using the proprietary ones earlier though for a friend, thats what i meant
[03:49] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: someone was asking how to install nvidia's driver and not ubuntus
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> ah
[03:50] <Biovore> rivia card?
[03:50] <Jmanfoo> !info nvidia-glx
[03:50] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 4387 kB, installed size 13352 kB
[03:50] <intelikey> Biovore yes riva
[03:50] <Biovore> works if you you XFree86-3.3.6 :-P
[03:51] <intelikey> Biovore hmmm avalable in the repos ?
[03:51] <intelikey> !find XFree86
[03:51] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, xfree86-driver-synaptics, xserver-xfree86, t1-xfree86-nonfree, ttf-xfree86-nonfree (and 1 others)
[03:51] <Biovore> well  XFree86 3.3.6 is old.. 1998
[03:52] <Biovore> See redhat 8
[03:52] <intelikey> yes i know.  i have rpm of it
[03:52] <Biovore> or 7
[03:52] <intelikey> and 9
[03:52] <Biovore> and nvidia also made a close source driver for it..
[03:52] <intelikey> also in mandrake up to 10
[03:52] <Biovore> back in 2001
[03:53] <intelikey> but ubuntu doesn't seem to support it at all
[03:53] <intelikey> well i mean other than the nv or vesa drivers
[03:53] <Biovore> no ubuntu dosn't
[03:53] <Biovore> but the old debians with nvidia's stuff did..
[03:54] <intelikey> sarge ?
[03:54] <intelikey> i bet sarge did...   i know woody would have
[03:55] <Biovore> I am talking potato
[03:55] <intelikey> heh  woody would have      hehhe
[03:55] <Biovore> WE use to play Q4 on riva 128 cards
[03:55] <Biovore> (q3)
[03:55] <Biovore> :-P
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> ok, i joined at the wrong part of that conversation
[03:55] <Jmanfoo> how goes it hitmanWilly
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[03:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i'm still griping about ubuntu not supporting my nvidia card
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: which one?
[03:56] <intelikey> riva 128
[03:56] <intelikey> agp
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> heh
[03:57] <intelikey> the same one.
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> i imagine there's a driver out there somewhere for it...
[03:58] <Biovore> there is.. but its for XFree86-3.3.6
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> riva.... is that before the TNTs?
[03:58] <intelikey> i think so
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> that's like early 90's iirc
[03:59] <intelikey> mid
[03:59] <intelikey> early "real AGP" mid 90ish
[03:59] <Biovore> yup
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> fugetabboutit
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> well, i have to go de-virus a friend's comp tommorrow
[04:00] <Jmanfoo> why is it so hard to find a good icon theme?
[04:00] <intelikey> Jmanfoo cause you don't like the default
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> heh, make your own :)
[04:00] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh ware gloves   :)
[04:00] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, did you know BitDefender has a bootable linux livecd for scanning infected comps?
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Jmanfoo: Nuvola
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo: well, im gonna give the trinity rescue cd a shot
[04:01] <Jmanfoo> hmm, never heard of it
[04:01] <Jmanfoo> then again when people tell me their window's comps have a virus, i just laugh
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> if not, reformat/reinstall, assuming she has a recovery partition
[04:02] <intelikey> not me.      i say   "try linux, it don't care about your virii"
[04:02] <Biovore> yeah...  I don't fix windows anymore..
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> well, she's not exactly ready for the switch just yet, but im working on her :)
[04:02] <intelikey> ;\
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> normally i don't either, but this is a special case :P\
[04:03] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, my wife is a complete computer n00b, windows or linux, and she's been using CentOS for 4 months and LOVES it
[04:03] <Jmanfoo> hell, i even find CentOS to be a bit difficult sometimes
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> on a related note : http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/262-Cutting-the-Velvet-Chain.html
[04:03] <Level15> i don't like any RH based stuff :\
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> that's it, LFS for all! :P
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> Level15, CentOS is good for building appliance routers and firewalls
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> i dont like it as a desktop OS, but my wife is weird anyway
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> yeah, well, she's an artsy type and just isn't ready to give up her photoshop
[04:04] <intelikey> *nix is good for that Jmanfoo
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> but anyway, i just mentioned that hitmanWilly so you can tell your friend she's got no excuse
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:04] <Biovore> vxworks for all.. :-P
[04:05] <Jmanfoo> intelikey, kubuntu is not my ideal flavor for making routers lol
[04:05] <Level15> Jmanfoo: i could think of smaller distros which, IMHO, would be more fit for those purposes...
[04:05] <intelikey> Jmanfoo not any harder than LFS
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> dsl might actually work well for that
[04:05] <Jmanfoo> Level15, i've tried DSL, it sucks
[04:05] <jcs7778> Hey what's up with cover flow on amarok
[04:05] <intelikey> yes DSL too
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> its cute, but not very useful
[04:06] <Level15> Jmanfoo: i didn't mean dsl for that... i'd probably use either slackware, or some *BSD
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> actually, yeah, BSD would rock for that type of application
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> yeah, most of the firewall distros are built on BSD it seems
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> smoothwall and pfsense and so on
[04:07] <Level15> there's this company, Fortinet, thay build on Linux... but their own in-house linux
[04:07] <Jmanfoo> I'm going to call my LFS JmanFoonix
[04:07] <Biovore> Alot of things run linux..  some linksys routers
[04:07] <Biovore> some cellphones.
[04:07] <Jmanfoo> version 2.6.kung.fu
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> gentoo is good for servers I hear
[04:08] <intelikey> Level15 heh well i use my own inhouse linux   it can hardly be called *buntu anymore...
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: yep.. we have a WRT54GL.. it rocks!
[04:08] <Level15> hehe, nice
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> we use FC6 for all our servers
[04:08] <Biovore> I have a NSLU2 I put debian for Xscale on it :-P
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> its ok, but SELinux is worthless
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: OpenWRT is amazing..
[04:08] <bourges> FC6-7 = fubuntu
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> !info fubuntu
[04:08] <Biovore> SELinux is only usefull for certain things..
[04:08] <ubotu> Package fubuntu does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> !info fortune-n
[04:09] <ubotu> Package fortune-n does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:09] <intelikey> Jmanfoo SE has to be deSE'd  to be usefull   :)
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> exactly intelikey
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: i that a SLUG?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> *is
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> i need to bite the bullet and read one of the giant tomes on iptables configuration
[04:10] <Biovore> yes.. A SLUG.. its NSLU with modified linux
[04:10] <intelikey> nosrednaekim slug ?
[04:10] <Jmanfoo> hey does anyone know if isc dhcpd is ipv6 compatible now?
[04:10] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: there is a new dhcp protocol for ipv6 same as ping
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: a network storage device. you put some hard drives in it and pu it on your network. they ussually run linux
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> or at least all SLUGs dp
[04:11] <Biovore> yeah.. there are a bunch..
[04:11] <Biovore> they run ppc ussualy..
[04:11] <intelikey> nosrednaekim ok   and what does slug stand for ?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> heh.... you got me...
[04:12] <Biovore> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> hold on, brb
[04:16] <intelikey> heh Biovore i just thought about your nick,   does that mean you wont eat anything that isn't alive ???
[04:17] <Jmanfoo> hmm i imagined biovore had an italian pronunciation
[04:17] <Jmanfoo> bee-oh vore-ay
[04:17] <Biovore> :-P
[04:18] <intelikey> indeed,  still looked like aglacanized latin   bio-vore  life eater
[04:19] <Biovore> yup  :-P
[04:19] <Biovore> actually it was the name of a local heavy metal band that never really got anywhere..
[04:19] <Jmanfoo> i think i'm going to have myself a Kubudweiser
[04:20] <Biovore> Name sounds cool.. So I used it :-)
[04:20] <Cannoli> !mp3
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[04:20] <Jmanfoo> !ogg
[04:20] <tzanger> hmm... I'm trying to isntall ubuntu-xen-server but it's saying that bridge-utils is required but not installable??  why would it not be installable?
[04:20] <intelikey> if a herba-vore eats only plants   carno-vore eats only meat  then it stands to reason that a  bio-vore would eat only thing that are still alive...        and !offtopic @ /me
[04:21] <tzanger> hmm okay it can't find the bridge-utils package, that's why
[04:21] <Biovore> I havn't had much luck with xen..  I got virtual box to work though..
[04:21] <Biovore> I use vmware6 here most of the time for VM work..
[04:21] <tzanger> I've got deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe multiverse...  is that not enough?
[04:21] <tzanger> Biovore: I've had reasonable luck with xen on slackware
[04:21] <Biovore> you have multiverse and universe enabled..
[04:21] <tzanger> just trying out a kubuntu system
[04:21] <intelikey> !info bridge-utils
[04:21] <ubotu> bridge-utils: Utilities for configuring the Linux ethernet bridge. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 148 kB
[04:22] <intelikey> tzanger nope  need main also
[04:22] <tzanger> ah, so I should put main in there too
[04:22] <Biovore> bridge utills like brctl ?
[04:22] <Cannoli> how can u enable multiverse and universe in kubuntu?
[04:22] <Biovore> !multiverse
[04:22] <stdin> !repos
[04:22] <Biovore> ubuntubot lag
[04:22] <stdin> ...
[04:22] <Cannoli> XD
[04:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:22] <tzanger> what's the difference between mutliverse and universe anyway.. heh
[04:23] <intelikey> read the link   ^
[04:23] <Biovore> multiverse do not get security updates offen..
[04:23] <stdin> tzanger: universe = community maintained; multiverse = non-free
[04:23] <tzanger> so does multiverse include restricted?
[04:23] <Biovore> yup
[04:23] <stdin> restricted is only drivers
[04:23] <intelikey> no   restricted includes restricted
[04:24] <tzanger> intelikey: ?
[04:24] <intelikey> the four promanant repos are    main universe multiverse restricted
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> ok, back, trying out a diff irc client :)
[04:24] <intelikey> so how you liking kvirc ?
[04:24] <Biovore> you could always use telnet as your IRC client..  That aways good for a hoot.. :-P
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> Konversation beats kvirc...
[04:25] <Biovore> 3.4 will be nice when they get it done.. runs on QT4
[04:25] <tzanger> Biovore: I use screen and irssi, close enough to the hardware for me :-)
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> lol...nice for having multiple channels
[04:26] <intelikey> tzanger screen and irssi    isn't that redundant ?
[04:26] <tzanger> nah
[04:26] <tzanger> my irc session is on a colcated server and I ssh/screen to it from wherever I am
[04:26] <intelikey> you like to detach the irc client ?
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> yeah, just rebuilt my gentoo box for 64 bit and slowly getting all my apps back :)
[04:26] <tzanger> incidentally I also redirect localhost:2500 to localhost:25 on that box, so my email can be sent from anywhere too
[04:26] <tzanger> intelikey: yep
[04:26] <Biovore> detach the screen to a irc client
[04:27] <intelikey> hmmm i'd much rather not have it run when i'm away
[04:27] <intelikey> why leave me something to crack at while you are gone ?
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> hitmanWilly: if you run gentoo... why are you HERE?
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> cuz i run kubuntu too
[04:27] <intelikey> i mean leave anyone something to crack at...   :>
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> on the lappy :)
[04:28] <tzanger> intelikey: fair enough, but it's a risk I have been comfortable with for the past... oh, decade
[04:28] <Cannoli> grr i hate the fact tht i cant use more than one adept manager
[04:28] <Biovore> yeah.. ssh login to get to the shell is fairly safe move..
[04:28] <tzanger> there hasn't been a security breach in irssi in a long, long time
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> and all the newbies come in here or #ubuntu
[04:28] <stdin> nosrednaekim: you know intelikey hardly even runs X, he's still here :p
[04:28] <intelikey> tzanger ok.   if you're happy with it,   i'm happy with it.
[04:28] <tzanger> intelikey: haha :-)
[04:28] <Biovore> lol
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> yeah I know... I was just wondering.
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> if only they would make a beryl-cube for the console
  what did i say ?
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> i would die a happy man
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> actually i'm  not one of those people who hate gentoo....it just doesn't work for me
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> lol, yeah, there ya go, a text cube
[04:29] <intelikey> Jmanfoo hmmmm     true frame buffered cube....
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> I think intelikey would die.
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> thats reminds me, does kubuntu support an fb console? i can't tell if its got the kernel module loaded or not
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> i know my console resolution is awful
[04:30] <intelikey> Jmanfoo lsmod | grep fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> fbcon                  42656  0
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> tileblit                3584  1 fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> font                    9216  1 fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> bitblit                 6912  1 fbcon
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> it has a tendency to screw up when switching in/out of X
[04:31] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i'm with you on that.    most of the time.
[04:31] <stdin> Jmanfoo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution :)
[04:31] <Tm_T> ...
[04:32] <Jmanfoo> so it would appear the module is loaded
[04:32] <intelikey> Jmanfoo & stdin also see !info svgatextmode
[04:32] <intelikey> Jmanfoo indeed
[04:33] <intelikey> svgatextmode - Enable higher resolution text modes
[04:33] <stdin> intelikey: do you set any vga= boot setting?
[04:33] <intelikey> yeah  vga=normal
[04:33] <intelikey> :)
[04:34] <intelikey> but with the nvidia-framebuffer module loaded i can do like   180x160 text mode    it's rediculess
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> hmm, that howto helps stdin, but what about those of us with a wide aspect screen?
[04:35] <Tm_T> I just watch movies in normal console
[04:35] <intelikey> stdin yes i've watched movies in the console too
[04:35] <Tm_T> why framebuffer for that
[04:35] <intelikey> with fb and with svgalibs
[04:35] <intelikey> done both
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> Tm_T does it render them in ASCII? lol
[04:35] <intelikey> Jmanfoo no.
[04:35] <intelikey> full graphics.
[04:36] <Jmanfoo> 8086 corruption style
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> aalib will actually do that for you :)
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> render in ASCII
[04:36] <intelikey> although you can get asc2 graphics if you want.
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> ok, actually i do have a small issue...i seem to be having errors in /etc/fstab, maybe one of you can double check it for me, make sure i didn't miss something: http://www.pastebin.ca/662786
[04:36] <Jmanfoo> that might be good for a laugh, but not much else
[04:37] <Cannoli> is it possible to have more tan one adept installer running?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: the issue seems to be with the cdrom entry
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> no
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: though i can't for the life of me figure out where the error is
[04:38] <intelikey> hitmanWilly line 36   noauto, user  <<< extra space
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> heh, thanks...
[04:38] <intelikey> np
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> i knew is some little error like that somewhere
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> *it was
[04:39] <intelikey> notice
[04:41] <intelikey> Cannoli oh.  missed that     no.
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yup, that was the error alright, thanx again
[04:41] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh  np
[04:41] <Cannoli> kk thanx
[04:41] <Cannoli> :)
[04:42] <tzanger> hmm
[04:42] <intelikey> Cannoli let me rephrase,   it can be done with a hack or if you really know your way around linux   but the avarage dummy can't do it.
[04:42] <tzanger> this is the second system now I've tried running the xen kernel on and it makes the keyboard input ssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppppperrrrrrrrrr slow
[04:42] <tzanger> odd
[04:42] <intelikey> Cannoli and no i'm not fixing to tell you howto.
[04:43] <Tm_T> Jmanfoo: yes, only console, so ascii
[04:43] <intelikey> tzanger ummm kb reset ?
[04:44] <intelikey> Tm_T ?    you never watched a movie in a console ?
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> heh... MythTV can even run in framebuffer
[04:44] <intelikey> yeah
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> svgalibs are cool, heh
[04:44] <intelikey> indeed
[04:46] <intelikey> ok i'm out for a few.      but i'll leave the client running just incase someone wants to check it for exploits...
[04:46] <tzanger> heh
[04:46] <intelikey> :_
[04:46] <tzanger> intelikey: no it's not hte hardware I don't think
[04:47] <Cannoli> lol
[04:47] <Cannoli> k thts fine
[04:48] <Cannoli> thanx :)
[04:48] <sunnyhours> !codec
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[04:49] <sunnyhours> anyone know a good codec pack in the repo's that'll play avi files?
[04:50] <Tm_T> intelikey: as said, I use normal console for watching movies, yes, ascii, only ascii
[04:50] <Tm_T> intelikey: no framebuffer, nothing, normal sized console
[04:50] <zx225> what package is used for watching dvd's
[04:51] <Tm_T> depends what kind of dvd
[04:51] <Tm_T> etc
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | zx225
[04:51] <zx225> crap
[04:51] <ubotu> zx225: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:52] <zx225> thanks
[04:55] <sunnyhours> !avi
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[05:11] <intelikey> i have an issue.    bx has stopped reading   ~/.ircrc   for no reason that i can see
[05:12] <Agent_bob> hmmm works on this box   doesn't on the other one.
[05:12] <Agent_bob> same command.
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> did it get corrupted somehow?
[05:13] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yeah i edited it.
[05:13] <intelikey> heh   but nothing that should have changed it.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> did the permissions somehow get changed on it?
[05:13] <Zorix> i have a strange issue.. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 i386 and my wireless network works fine until i did an upgrade then it wont work anymore.. its ma401 by netgear, and when it stops working it freezes keyboard input and the knetworkmanger tray icon goes away
[05:14] <Zorix> i should say adept update not upgrade
[05:14] <Agent_bob> hitmanWilly  yep   chmod 600 .ircrc     but that's what it should have been all along
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> hmm, you may want to set group +r at least
[05:15] <Agent_bob> just chmoded this on let me test it
[05:15] <Zorix> i thought maybe it was the kernel so i booted using previous kernel and still there
[05:15] <Agent_bob> works correctly with 600
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, weird
[05:16] <intelikey> well work on Zorix and i'll figure this on.
[05:17] <Zorix> is there a way to get a list of the last updated packages from apt/adept so I can figure out which one caused the problem
[05:17] <intelikey> Zorix   tail -30 /var/log/adept*
[05:17] <intelikey> or is it dpkg*
[05:18] <Zorix> ok gotta reboot the laptop because keyboard is frozen
[05:18] <Aondo> Brandon :D
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> probably dpkg
[05:18] <Zorix> hey Aondo
[05:18] <Aondo> hia :D
[05:18] <Zorix> didnt see you here
[05:19] <Aondo> been here quite some time, but i guess you usually dont look for efnet people all around the web haha :P
[05:19] <Zorix> this is the first major issue i have had with kubuntu
[05:21] <Aondo> yea seems strange
[05:21] <Aondo> but they did some rebuilds of the kernel since first release hehe
[05:21] <Aondo> probably some change logs you could look up
[05:24] <Zorix> intelikey ok i have like a ton of packages that were installed
[05:26] <iceolate> has anyone gotten exact audio copy working right in wine?
[05:26] <Zorix> wish i had an idea what it was nothing stands out that says wireless or network related
[05:27] <iceolate> i keep getting an error with my read mode command
[05:27] <iceolate> i specify mmc1
[05:27] <iceolate> but it tells me it's not right, but i verified it in windows
[05:28] <Zorix> try using latest version?
[05:28] <Zorix> i dunno
[05:28] <iceolate> yeah it's the latest version of eac from their website
[05:29] <iceolate> i might just give up on wine and install vmware
[05:30] <intelikey> i simply don't get it...
[05:32] <intelikey> pebcak
[05:33] <intelikey> found it.   unclosed { in the file
[05:35] <Zorix> heh
[05:35] <Zorix> well my problem isnt pebcak
[05:35] <intelikey> all working now.
[05:35] <Zorix> because an update broke my wireless
[05:35] <intelikey> ok Zorix did you check the dpkg log file ?
[05:35] <Zorix> yes
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: how'd y6a fix it?
[05:36] <Zorix> im reading thru it now but nothing seems to have anything to do with it
[05:36] <Zorix> except kernel maybe but i booted to other kernel and it made no difference
[05:36] <intelikey> nothing there of interest ?  hmmm
[05:36] <Zorix> doesnt help that there was like 70 updates
[05:36] <intelikey> hitmanWilly same as your fstab      well it wasn't a space   but unclosed  {
[05:37] <intelikey> Zorix you didn't build the driver for your card did you ?
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: so im not the only one, heh...
[05:37] <Zorix> no
[05:37] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i told you,  that's how i learned to find that kind of thing     cause i have too all the time.
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:38] <Zorix> the card works in the livecd and on first boot
[05:38] <Zorix> i did an adept update and then rebooted and it doesnt work anymore
[05:38] <Zorix> in fact, trying to get on the network makes my keyboard lock up
[05:38] <intelikey> Zorix that sounds like kernel to me.
[05:38] <Zorix> thought so too
[05:38] <Zorix> so i used the previous kernel
[05:38] <Zorix> does the same
[05:39] <intelikey> ummm or it could be something that got blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/      that would affect both kernels
[05:40] <intelikey> check the time stamp in there     ls -l  /etc/modprobe.d/
[05:41] <intelikey> are all the dates about the same ?
[05:41] <Zorix> just blacklist-oss
[05:41] <Zorix> is todays date
[05:41] <Zorix> and arch-aliases
[05:42] <intelikey> did you access either ?
[05:42] <Zorix> no
[05:42] <klobster> how do I turn off the bluetooth deaemon?
[05:42] <Zorix> but the module is there for my network card
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> that might be it
[05:42] <intelikey> might look in blacklist-oss
[05:42] <Zorix> oss is sound i thought
[05:42] <intelikey> doesn't mean that the module for your card wont appear there
[05:42] <Zorix> its a link to /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf
[05:43] <intelikey> less it
[05:44] <Zorix> uhm no module that has to do with network
[05:45] <intelikey> i can't immagine anything in /etc/network/ or /etc/init.d/   causeing the keyboard to lock      only things that do that are kernel related or keyboard driver     and by kernel related that includes but is not confined to io errors
[05:45] <Aondo> Zorix  did you try to compile your own kernel? a never one. (to your wireless problem)
[05:45] <Aondo> newer
[05:45] <Zorix> no
[05:46] <Aondo> maybe you should give it a go, while you do all sort of other stuff :P it doesnt hurt to try hehe
[05:46] <intelikey> Aondo are you up to speed on this issue ?     1. wireless worked in the liveCD and on first boot,   2. he ran the updater, 3. now no wireless with either kernel and the keyboard locks too.
[05:47] <Zorix> it sees the ap
[05:47] <Zorix> when i go to join the ap and put in the key
[05:47] <Zorix> it sits at configuring device
[05:47] <Zorix> then it locks
[05:48] <intelikey> any udev updates ?
[05:48] <Zorix> not in the dpkg log
[05:48] <intelikey> i don't think that's it but just covering everything related
[05:48] <Zorix> yea
[05:49] <Zorix> i disabled like 3 interfaces from the interfaces file
[05:49] <intelikey> well one thing it could obviously be.   libc6   did it update ?
[05:49] <Zorix> going to see if it has any impact
[05:49] <Zorix> nope no libc
[05:50] <Zorix> where does it get wifi0 in iwconfig from?
[05:51] <intelikey> ;/     idk.
[05:51] <Zorix> i booted back into livecd and that wasnt listed
[05:51] <Zorix> just eth1
[05:52] <intelikey> does the wireless work in the live     (as you eariler claimed) ?
[05:52] <Zorix> yes
[05:52] <Zorix> using eth1
[05:52] <Zorix> now it shows eth1 and wifi0 at same time with same hardware address
[05:52] <Zorix> maybe some sort of conflict of drivers
[05:53] <intelikey> not if it's working...   maybe some alias ?
[05:53] <Zorix> well wifi0 doesnt show up in livecd where it works
[05:53] <Zorix> and wifi0 shows up on hard drive where it doesnt work
[05:53] <Zorix> so i need to figure out what module loads it and kill it maybe
[05:54] <intelikey> ok that's one thing to go on,     maybe kdenetworkmanager is the fly in the soup
[05:54] <Zorix> what alternative
[05:54] <Zorix> wlassistant? heh
[05:55] <intelikey> idk.
[06:02] <Jmanfoo> am i the only one who thinks xscreensavers used to take a snapshot of your desktop with all your apps open and use that for distortions instead of the wallpapers in /usr/share?
[06:02] <Some_Person> I get an error when starting my Ubuntu Feisty install into GNOME. This started when I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and dependencies to add KDE to Ubuntu. The error is similar to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73636
[06:03] <Zorix> seems it is the knetworkmanager i just configured the shit manually
[06:03] <Zorix> is there any way to revert a package?
[06:05] <Zorix> bah dont care anymore
[06:06] <Zorix> its broke
[06:06] <Zorix> will just use windows on the laptop..unfortunately it works better
[06:08] <Some_Person> I get an error when starting my Ubuntu Feisty install into GNOME. This started when I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and dependencies to add KDE to Ubuntu. The error is similar to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73636
[06:09] <Zorix> why would you mix the two
[06:09] <Some_Person> I wanted to try out KDE
[06:10] <klobster> Zorix: I mix the two.
[06:10] <Some_Person> But it screwed me up with this error, which does nothing bad, but is annoying
[06:10] <Some_Person> I am not in Ubuntu right now, for reasons I do not wish to discuss.
[06:10] <Some_Person> But I want to know if anyone else had this problem, and if so, how they solved it.
[06:11] <Zorix> yea i never ventured into that area
[06:11] <Zorix> because i know it makes problems
[06:11] <Some_Person> This is the only problem I have
[06:11] <klobster> Zorix: never has for me, but i do kubuntu, and then add ubuntu desktop
[06:11] <stdin> try asking in #ubuntu as it's something to with gnome, or possibly in #gnome
[06:11] <klobster> Some_Person: what is the exact error, please?
[06:12] <Some_Person> same one in the forum post i linked to
[06:12] <Some_Person> and i have the same gconftool-2 output
[06:13] <Some_Person> i get the error multiple times if i open the GNOME keyboard control panel
[06:13] <klobster> Some_Person: are you on a non US keyboard?
[06:13] <Some_Person> It's a standard US keyboard
[06:14] <Some_Person> Except for my print screen button
[06:14] <Some_Person> (I don't really know what that's all about)
[06:14] <Zorix> im reinstalling kubuntu again
[06:14] <Zorix> this time im not updating it
[06:15] <Some_Person> I may be forced to reinstall my ubuntu
[06:15] <intelikey>          howto find out or set the user name and password for cups?
[06:15] <Zorix> yep
[06:15] <Zorix> heh not a clue
[06:15] <Some_Person> Is there some sort of "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard" or something like that?
[06:16] <intelikey>  i'm at   127.0.0.1:631   and it want's the user name and password before i can do anything      anyone ?
[06:16] <Zorix> probably not...ubuntu is made for people not to f with it
[06:16] <intelikey> Some_Person   alt+sysRQ+r    should reset it to xlate  if something went dreadfully wrong
[06:17] <thunderbolt> intelikey: You can turn off the pasword for reconfiguration through the KDE interface...
[06:17] <thunderbolt> I think I did that, at least.
[06:17] <Jmanfoo> intelikey, it should be your regular username and password
[06:17] <intelikey> Some_Person and if it's in kde you want to adjust it there is a pointy clicky thingy in    kcontrol
[06:17] <Some_Person> uhh, my print screen button is recognised in GNOME keyboard shortcuts not as "Print" but instead as "0x6f", will sysRQ still work?
[06:17] <intelikey> Jmanfoo well what's the "regular"   you mean the one for uid=1000
[06:18] <intelikey> Some_Person should    maybe...
[06:18] <intelikey> cause that's a kernel level hot key
[06:18] <Some_Person> its like my print screen button is a different, unrecognised key altogether, but it works normal in Windows
[06:19] <Jmanfoo> intelikey when i did it under fedora core i used the root password, but try using your normal system credentials
[06:19] <stdin> intelikey: cups should let either root or a user in the lpadmin group in
[06:19] <intelikey> stdin ok.   withoug a root password or do i need to temp that ?
[06:20] <intelikey> without ^
[06:20] <Biovore> intelikey: you doing cups via that web admin thing?
[06:20] <Some_Person> What is xlate?
[06:20] <intelikey> Biovore yes,   not local to the box
[06:20] <Biovore> intelikey: is the box runing the cups server ubuntu?
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: the normal user is in lpadmin by default
[06:20] <intelikey> Some_Person the bios standard
[06:21] <Some_Person> bios standard what?
[06:21] <stdin> Basic Input/Output System
[06:21] <intelikey> stdin well who is the normal user ?    lol    you mean uid=1000 ?
[06:21] <stdin> intelikey: yep
[06:21] <Some_Person> In case sysRQ doesn't work, what should I do instead to reset it to xlate?
[06:21] <intelikey> k
[06:22] <Biovore> intelikey: if th remote end is ups.. you can enable your user to work on cups if you add  it to the lpadmin group..
[06:22] <Biovore> *cups
[06:23] <intelikey> it's just looping back to the   username and password   thingy
[06:23] <Some_Person> stdin?
[06:23] <intelikey> i gave root a password and tried that   same thing.
[06:24] <Biovore> and your username to the lpadmin group on the box running the cups server.. then login with your remote username password..
[06:25] <klobster> Some_Person: have you installed any additional languages?
[06:25] <Some_Person> klobster: no
[06:25] <intelikey> Biovore yeah i just dubble checked i'm there.
[06:25] <Biovore> intelikey: doing that allowed me to do login to the cups webadmin with my normal user and password..
[06:26] <intelikey> well it just loops for me...
[06:26] <Biovore> loops?  you mean you input your credentials and it asks again?
[06:27] <stdin> intelikey: localhost:631 it lets me in, then I change something and it then asks for a username/password
[06:27] <stdin> root's disabled and my (1000) user/pass works
[06:28] <intelikey> stdin it's not actually localhost  it's 192.168.0.1   the server gateway
[06:28] <intelikey> and i even set sudoers to     ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL        and tried it no joy.
[06:29] <klobster> Some_Person: have you seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54569
[06:29] <stdin> well my cups is only listening on 127.0.0.1 right now
[06:29] <klobster> oh, he left
[06:29] <intelikey> i think if i get the page it's listening to me ???
[06:29] <intelikey> and i get the page just can't login to it
[06:30] <Some_Person> I am on Ubuntu now.
[06:30] <klobster> Some_Person: have you seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54569
[06:30] <intelikey> "root's disabled"     :)
[06:31] <Biovore> intelikey: as it should be :-)
[06:31] <Some_Person> klobster: that is irrelevent to me
[06:31] <intelikey> root is not "disabled"  the account is locked.
[06:32] <klobster> Some_Person:
[06:32] <klobster> Scenario #1:
[06:32] <klobster> Your XKB is broken. For some reason, you may be using a non-US-layout
[06:32] <Biovore> samething to me..
[06:32] <Some_Person> klobster: that package is already installed
[06:32] <intelikey> root login is disabled,   but root is not disabled, else sudo -i   would not give you a root shell
[06:33] <Biovore> rgr
[06:33] <klobster> Some_Person: did you try teh fix in scenario one?  step two is _exactly what you where asking to try.
[06:33] <intelikey> still    401 Unauthorized      everything i try gets that...
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: that .deb file does not exist
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: however i just installed xkeyboard-config from repositories
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: thanks! that seemed to fix it!
[06:35] <stdin> intelikey: just tried logging in to my server's cups, got the same
[06:35] <stdin> intelikey: I had to enable remote administration
[06:35] <Some_Person> klobster: no, it didn't fix it
[06:35] <Some_Person> klobster: error was hiding in the background
[06:35] <intelikey> stdin ah   where how ?
[06:36] <intelikey> and it is listening        Listen 192.168.0.0/24:631
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: well, I logged in over ssh and used "elinks http://localhost:631" :p
[06:37] <stdin> it let me in to the administration part then
[06:37] <Some_Person> stdin: you there?
[06:37] <intelikey> stdin errr   been  there too,   i get    401 Unauthorized
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: you have ssh access?
[06:38] <intelikey> that's what i just said
[06:38] <stdin> intelikey: take a look at my (changed) cupsd.conf http://stdin.pastebin.us/39007
[06:38] <intelikey> yes i've tried what you described
[06:38] <stdin> Some_Person: yeah
[06:38] <Some_Person> stdin what was that sysrq command to fix my problem? im on ubuntu now?
[06:38] <stdin> fix what problem?
[06:39] <Some_Person> the keyboard thingy
[06:39] <wckdkl0wn> i need some advice from someone that already runs diablo 2 lod on linux... how do u get it to play on bnet without the cd? i tryed using d2loader but it tells me that bnet cant idenitfy my version
[06:39] <stdin> I wasn't really watching back then. I know I didn't give an answer
[06:39] <intelikey> Some_Person    alt+sysRQ+r
[06:40] <intelikey> reset the keyboard
[06:40] <klobster> Some_Person: try sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config tab here to autocomplete
[06:40] <intelikey> and note that only the left  alt  key will work with that  in most cases.
[06:41] <stdin> he's gone again
[06:41] <intelikey> yeah   i'm too wrapped up in this cups thing
[06:44] <hv> hi all
[06:46] <intelikey> it's getting worse rather than better...  cupsd: Child exited with status 1!
[06:47] <intelikey> can't start the cups server now
[06:48] <intelikey> ok i found that one.     but still no joy.
[06:48] <intelikey> i give up.    i'll bother the day crew with this...   /;
[06:49] <intelikey> hv you want something ?
[06:50] <intelikey> guess not...
[07:05] <hexstar> anyone experiencing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529274 ???
[07:06] <hexstar> please answer...it sucks majorly!!!
[07:06] <surgy> hi
[07:07] <surgy> hexstar: are you using adept? or are you using apt through the console?
[07:09] <hexstar> surgy: adept
[07:10] <surgy> hexstar try apt-get with the console adept is always slower
[07:11] <hexstar> no, the ping to the server also returns unacceptable speeds ...257 and up ms for a response to a ping!!! and the speed issue is not at the isp as shown by the traceroute I shall soon post
[07:12] <speaker219> Linux Noob: what would happen if i killed the "init" process by using sudo kill -9 1
[07:12] <khaije1> try it
[07:13] <khaije1> what do you think would happen?
[07:13] <speaker219> What exactly would happen? I assume a crash...
[07:13] <khaije1> if you want to know what would happen, why not try it?
[07:14] <khaije1> it's linux, go play
[07:14] <speaker219> because i have important windows open ;)
[07:14] <khaije1> maybe later then :P
[07:17] <hexstar> traceroutes posted:
[07:17] <hexstar> hexstar@hexstar-desktop:~$ traceroute security.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <hexstar> traceroute to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[07:17] <hexstar>  1  Musbachs-Base-Station.local (10.0.1.1)  1.594 ms  1.597 ms  1.757 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  2  * * *
[07:17] <hexstar>  3  ge-2-8-ur01.oakland.ca.sfba.comcast.net (68.86.249.113)  10.800 ms *  12.515 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  4  68.86.90.138 (68.86.90.138)  12.901 ms  11.701 ms  21.502 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  5  68.86.90.149 (68.86.90.149)  14.484 ms  16.663 ms  15.120 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  6  68.86.90.165 (68.86.90.165)  19.395 ms  21.930 ms  18.690 ms
[07:18] <stoned> kkhey
[07:18] <stoned> stop
[07:18] <hexstar>  7  te-4-4.car2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.79.43.133)  27.312 ms  15.412 ms  16.988 ms
[07:18] <hexstar>  8  ge-1-3-0-89.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.130)  21.064 ms  18.148 ms  27.175 ms
[07:18] <stoned> stop it
[07:18] <hexstar>  9  as-0-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net (4.68.128.110)  165.076 ms  162.951 ms ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net (212.187.128.46)  163.591 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 10  * ae-15-51.car1.London2.Level3.net (4.68.117.15)  161.790 ms  158.803 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 11  tge9-3-146.core-r-1.lon2.adaptplc.com (212.187.196.82)  159.762 ms  160.276 ms  169.710 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 12  85.133.32.134 (85.133.32.134)  166.190 ms  163.701 ms *
[07:18] <stoned> !ops
[07:18] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[07:18] <hexstar> 13  * * 82.211.81.76 (82.211.81.76)  160.836 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 14  * * *
[07:18] <hexstar> 15  * * *
[07:18] <hexstar> 16  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 17  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 18  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 19  *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) traceroute posted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3214603#post3214603
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) isn't anyone else experiecing this??? it clearly is not at my isp
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) uhh...
[07:19] <Tm_T> nice
[07:19] <Level15> hehehe...
[07:19] <Level15> wish i could do that :)
[07:20] <stoned> I got a 32bit chroot setup, now I need  w32codecs.  Sound is also working fine
[07:20] <stoned> !w32codecs
[07:20] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:20] <Tm_T> Level15: do what?
[07:21] <Level15> Tm_T: get chan op, kick, ban etc. Of course, only when needed :)
[07:21] <Level15> THAT
[07:21] <Level15> :)
[07:22] <Level15> anyway, nevermind
[07:22] <Tm_T> Level15: trust me, it's not fun
[07:22] <Level15> Tm_T: why?
[07:22] <Tm_T> Level15: hell of a responsibility
[07:23] <Level15> well, no, on second thought i guess it's not fun if properly used, as it must be on a channel like this... it'd just be funny for messing up with friends or something
[07:23] <Level15> Tm_T: yeah, that's what i mean
[07:23] <Tm_T> yup, then set up your own channel ;-P
[07:24] <holzmodem> hi, how can i start automatic the xfwm4 window manager instead of kwin?
[07:24] <Level15> Tm_T: funny, you are in the same channels i am
[07:25] <Tm_T> Level15: what same channels?
[07:25] <Level15> Tm_T: kubuntu and kde
[07:26] <Tm_T> Level15: and I'm in 28 other channels too
[07:26] <stdin> Level15: Tm_T had mode +i
[07:26] <Tm_T> stdin: and?
[07:26] <stdin> Tm_T: and nothing, just explaining it
[07:26] <Level15> oh, ok
[07:26] <Tm_T> well, +i has nothing to do with this
[07:26] <Tm_T> IIRC
[07:27] <Tm_T> anyway, offtopic
[07:27] <Level15> dunno, i've never been too much of an IRC guy
[07:27] <stdin> heh
[07:27] <Level15> well guys, going to sleep
[07:27] <Level15> cya
[07:27] <Tm_T> Level15: 40-80 channels all the time, but ya, cya
[07:36] <Tm_T> porno: mind to change your nick?
[07:38] <dsmith> anyone running gutsy yet?
[07:39] <Tm_T> dsmith: many in #ubuntu+1
[07:40] <Tm_T> !paste | hexstar
[07:40] <ubotu> hexstar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <stdin> Tm_T: hexstar isn't here
[07:41] <Tm_T> hexstar: are you here?
[07:41] <Tm_T> bah
[07:42] <Tm_T> why my client then tabfills to his nick?
[07:42] <stdin> don't know
[07:42] <Tm_T> stupid
[07:42] <Tm_T> 0842 Irssi uptime: 121d 10h 20m 36s
[07:42] <Tm_T> porno: wake up
[07:55] <puneet> Anybody out there??
[07:57] <Tm_T> hahhah
[07:57] <Tm_T> patience <3
[07:59] <stdin> you gonna keep your hat on?
[07:59] <nixternal> what if that was a spanish name (por no) meaning 'by no'? :D
[07:59] <Tm_T> nixternal: I don't care
[07:59] <nixternal> haha
[07:59] <nixternal> pwnd
[08:00] <Tm_T> nixternal: also, this is not right channel for that in any case ;)
[08:02] <conrad_> anyone know why my ability to see websites would go away unprovoked, yet still allow connections on irc, aim, and pinging?
[08:04] <thunderbolt> conrad_: Bad HTTP proxy...
[08:04] <thunderbolt> bad as in misbehaving
[08:04] <conrad_> any hints for where to look?
[08:05] <thunderbolt> can you use lynx to connect to web pages?
[08:05] <conrad_> dont have lynx, let me see if i can apt-get it
[08:05] <thunderbolt> Did you set up a HTTP proxy when you set up your machine?
[08:05] <conrad_> no.
[08:05] <thunderbolt> Does your ISP use HTTP caching?
[08:06] <thunderbolt> Does a restart fix it ;-) ?
[08:06] <conrad_> yes restart fixes it
[08:06] <conrad_> but this is the second time
[08:06] <thunderbolt> Hmm
[08:06] <conrad_> lynx doesnt work either. nor does telnet google.com 80
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Hmmm...
[08:07] <thunderbolt> do you have a firewall setup?
[08:07] <conrad_> no.
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Are you connected through a router?
[08:07] <conrad_> yes
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Does web access work on other machines in the LAN?
[08:07] <conrad_> yep
[08:08] <evil-rhino> conrad_: what's the problem?
[08:08] <conrad_> another really weird thing is that although rebooting will fix it, no odd messages are in dmesg, and restarting my wireless card and dhcpcd doesnt fix it.
[08:08] <conrad_> evil-rhino: http access goes down, but all other internet functions work properly
[08:08] <evil-rhino> do you have some kind of firewall or moblock installed?
[08:09] <conrad_> no
[08:09] <evil-rhino> what about web sites on other ports, like http://www.wikidsystems.com:8080/ ?
[08:10] <conrad_> ... nope.
[08:10] <conrad_> now that's weird as hell.
[08:10] <conrad_> "Could not connect to host"
[08:11] <conrad_> yet here i am, on irc.
[08:11] <evil-rhino> okay, so you must have some type of firewall that is checking http headers and blocking them
[08:12] <conrad_> very strange. nothing on the router does that, as it's working for all other computers
[08:12] <conrad_> and this is a fresh install.
[08:13] <evil-rhino> man, that's weird. must be something wonky on the router. is it a personal router for a small number of computers, or something more enterprise? in other words, can you reset it to factory default and reconfigure it quickly?
[08:13] <ironman> hey can some one tell me how i need ot partition my hdd because it takes forever to let it partition for me so i want to do it manualy
[08:14] <conrad_> ironman: cfdisk
[08:14] <surgy> ironman: well you need one for linux and one for linux and another for linux........
[08:14] <stdin> ironman: for just linux or dual-boot?
[08:14] <ironman> ok i know i need /, /home, /swap what else do i need
[08:14] <stdin> ironman: nothing, just /, /home and swap is fine
[08:14] <evil-rhino> just / and swap, really.
[08:14] <ironman> its going to be on hd  and windows on another one
[08:15] <conrad_> personal router, but im certain it isnt the router.
[08:15] <ironman> so i dont need a /home ?
[08:15] <conrad_> its been sitting there, untouched for 2 years now
[08:15] <stdin>  /home is recommended (by me) but not *needed*
[08:15] <evil-rhino> ironman: like stdin said, it's usually a good idea (makes recovery, reinstallation, etc. easier), but it's not mandatory at all.
[08:16] <ironman> well thx that y i choose this distro had a great experience with the community yall are aways willing to help
[08:16] <evil-rhino> conrad_: i assume you've tried releasing and renewing the ip? (if you're using dhcp, that is.)
[08:22] <conrad_> well
[08:22] <conrad_> i just rebooted.
[08:22] <conrad_> and everything is fine
[08:23] <Lynoure> conrad_: it's one way to request for a new ip from dhcp, though usually   dhclient  will do :)
[08:23] <conrad_> see, that didnt work though
[08:23] <conrad_> killall dhcpcd-bin, dhcpcd wlan0 didnt do anything
[08:24] <conrad_> it was bizzaire.
[08:27] <conrad_> man, just as i was touting to all of my friends that ubuntu is the first genuinely desktop ready dist i've ever seen, all of these unexplained issues start occurring. hah.
[08:30] <conrad_> OH! I just found the source of the problem
[08:30] <conrad_> when firefox crashes, it happens.
[08:34] <evil-rhino> weird. do you know why firefox is crashing?
[08:34] <evil-rhino> try starting firefox from a terminal window -- it generally gives you more information when it crashes.
[08:34] <conrad_> yeah i have that error.. one sec
[08:34] <conrad_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[08:35] <stdin> ignore that BadDevice error
[08:35] <conrad_> Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[08:35] <conrad_> then a segfault
[08:36] <evil-rhino> this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525139
[08:37] <conrad_> thanks
[08:38] <evil-rhino> try doing a
[08:38] <evil-rhino> sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[08:38] <evil-rhino> then rm -rf .mozilla/firefox/
[08:39] <evil-rhino> then sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:39] <Lupo> ciao
[08:39] <evil-rhino> (that wipes all your firefox settings and bookmarks, btw)
[08:39] <notv> is there a room for ubuntu studio?
[08:39] <Tm_T> !studio
[08:39] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[08:43] <Lupo> buongiorno
[08:44] <conrad_> thanks for the help guys
[08:44] <conrad_> night!
[08:48] <sauvin> I just survived an attempt to boot Windows XP. Worst half hour of my recent life.
[09:12] <ironman> ok do i need ext2 or ext3 for /, and /home partion and primary or logical
[09:13] <stdin> ext3 and primary should be fine
[09:13] <ironman> thx
[09:14] <hangthedj> does anybody know how to get kweather to show F instead of C?
[09:15] <stdin> look in it's settings? normally accessed from the right-click menu
[09:15] <hangthedj> i'm gonna try and get the svn, the feisty version doesn't have that option.
[09:18] <stdin> hangthedj: ahh, it's set from the KDE settings
[09:18] <hangthedj> ?
[09:18] <stdin> hangthedj: system settings > regional & language
[09:19] <hangthedj> thank you sir. :)
[09:19] <stdin> in the "Other" tab
[09:19] <hangthedj> i've been going crazy
[09:19] <hangthedj> i don't like having to do math, just to figure out how hot it is.
[09:20] <stdin> heh :)
[09:28] <aurelie87> hello world ! :)
[09:29] <arun> hello aurelie87
[09:29] <arun> the world's a bit busy right now :)
[09:29] <aurelie87> yes
[09:29] <arun> what's up
[09:30] <aurelie87> nothing special... :D
[09:30] <aurelie87> and you ?
[09:31] <arun> same here, more or less
[09:31] <raylu> could anyone help with samba?
[09:32] <aurelie87> sorry, I am not a specialist of Linux :S
[09:36] <blekos> hello guys
[09:36] <blekos> i'm using 7.04 and having an issue with my wireless
[09:36] <blekos> wifi rada desnt seem to work
[09:36] <raylu> rada = ?
[09:37] <blekos> *wifi-radar
[09:37] <raylu> oh
[09:37] <raylu> what have you done so far?
[09:37] <blekos> i had to set-up my wireless from the settings menu
[09:37] <raylu> and is your access point open or does it use wep/wpa?
[09:37] <blekos> system settings->network settings
[09:37] <blekos> it has a wep
[09:38] <raylu> ok
[09:38] <blekos> now I have access through my wireless
[09:38] <raylu> in the konsole, what does ifconfig say?
[09:38] <raylu> oh
[09:38] <blekos> but the thing is that if i move my laptop somewhere else (i believe) i wont be able to access
[09:38] <raylu> you mean to a different access point?
[09:38] <blekos> the wireless internet
[09:38] <blekos> yes
[09:39] <blekos> for example to a friends house or so
[09:39] <blekos> i'll have to change my network settings
[09:39] <raylu> i believe knetworkmanager allows for profilesbut
[09:39] <raylu> *but i never liked it
[09:39] <blekos> what I am looking for is to be able to lets say double click on wifi-radar and log in to the appropriate network
[09:39] <blekos> the "funny" thing is
[09:40] <blekos> that smg crashed my system 2 days ago (i had 7.04) and had wifi-radar installed and worked perfeclty
[09:40] <raylu> smg = ?
[09:40] <blekos> now I have a clean install but it simply doesnt work
[09:41] <blekos> absolutely clean install..
[09:41] <blekos> i've also installed Kwifi  manager
[09:41] <raylu> oh; i meant kwifimanager :P that was the one i didn't like
[09:42] <raylu> i just use iwconfig and /etc/network/interfaces :P
[09:42] <blekos> what is iwconfig?
[09:42] <raylu> wireless configuration tool (cli)
[09:43] <CoolBreeze55> lol wut?
[09:44] <blekos> and do u do to scan for networks?
[09:44] <raylu> iwlist scan
[09:45] <blekos> where I am wifi-radar i see two networks on with strong signal (mine) and od another oneone with no signlal
[09:45] <blekos> *signal
[09:46] <blekos> iwlist wont give both
[09:46] <raylu> er...why does it show it if you have no signal to it?
[09:47] <blekos> that a good question
[09:47] <blekos> ...
[09:58] <sauvin> I have an external Seagate USB drive with one ext3 and two FAT32 partitions. lsusb sees them, and dmesg doesn't complain about the drive. How to get KDE (or something) to mount them for access to a normal user?
[09:59] <raylu> in /etc/fstab,
[09:59] <raylu> mset the options to:
[09:59] <raylu> user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[09:59] <raylu> *set
[10:00] <sauvin> It's a USB; it won't always be /dev/sdb*
[10:00] <stdin> use pmount
[10:01] <stdin> like (as a normal user): pmount /dev/sdb1
[10:01] <raylu> aren''t normal users able to mount usb drives anyway?
[10:01] <raylu> as long as they're in some group...
[10:01] <sauvin> stdin, that looks PROMISING. Thankk you!!
[10:01] <sauvin> raylu, I've had trouble with that. I WOULD do a permanent fstab, but $deity alone knows what device it'll be on next time.
[10:01] <stdin> raylu: with pmount, yes
[10:02] <raylu> ah.
[10:02] <raylu> er, sauvin, you said "them
[10:02] <raylu> "
[10:02] <raylu> so i figured you were talking about the two fat32s
[10:02] <stdin> normally KDE should popup a window asking the user what to do, but it seems to work for some and not for others
[10:03] <sauvin> It DID work immediately after I gparted it, but didn't work again when I umounted them because they were locked.
[10:03] <Assid> hrmm.. my stupid samba share doesnt do squat :(
[10:04] <raylu> same ^^
[10:04] <raylu> i can't get samba working either
[10:04] <sauvin> Um... OK... is there a "upmount" command?
[10:04] <sauvin> yes, it's called pumount.
[10:07] <sauvin> stdin, THANK YOU.
[10:08] <stdin> you're welcome :)
[10:08] <sauvin> I really didn't want to reboot just to see what it'd do.
[10:08] <Assid> bon soir stdin
[10:08] <stdin> bonjour
[10:08] <sauvin> stdin est franco?
[10:08] <stdin> no :p
[10:08] <Assid> nah
[10:09] <Assid> il n'est pas franco
[10:10] <stdin> ce canal est anglais seulement :)
[10:10] <sauvin> Ainsi dit l'homme, eh?
[10:10] <OutsiderNZ> could someone help me please? when I try to go into adept manager I get an error ; "conversation with su failed"
[10:10] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, did you type your password correctly?
[10:10] <Assid> stdin: my stupid samba share dont work :(
[10:11] <OutsiderNZ> yes
[10:11] <OutsiderNZ> i am sure, i tried a lot
[10:11] <stdin> Assid: I don't really use samba, no win boxes here
[10:11] <Assid> hrmm
[10:11] <Assid> need it for myt xbox
[10:11] <raylu> stdin, how do you share files then? sftp?
[10:12] <Assid> and my lappy
[10:12] <stdin> raylu: almost, I "mount" ssh, with sshfs
[10:12] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, you are typing in the password for your user, right? also, is your user the original account that was created by the installer
[10:12] <OutsiderNZ> yes, that is right
[10:12] <OutsiderNZ> yes to both
[10:12] <raylu> sshfs is just something that interacts with sftp for you, right?
[10:12] <stdin> raylu: yep
[10:13] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, in konsole, try typing sudo aptitude
[10:13] <stdin> raylu: it's a ssh/sftp wrapper type thing
[10:13] <raylu> =\ ew.
[10:13] <OutsiderNZ> ok
[10:17] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: when i entered that, nothing happened
[10:17] <OutsiderNZ> asked for pw, and nothing else
[10:17] <raylu> o.0
[10:17] <raylu> strange...
[10:17] <sauvin> Is it necessarily true that if I'm using KDE on ubuntu, I'm running Kubuntu?
[10:17] <raylu> sauvin, the line is blurry
[10:17] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, try: sudo aptitude --help
[10:18] <raylu> sauvin, depends on your definition, i suppose
[10:18] <Assid> you could use kubuntu in ubuntu ?
[10:18] <Assid> or the otherway around
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> sauvin: no
[10:18] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: nothing happened
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> Assid: yes and no; mostly yes
[10:18] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, try sudo ifconfig
[10:19] <Assid> err.. sorry.. was supposed to be a ! not ?
[10:19] <raylu> and did it ask you for your password after the first time?
[10:19] <sauvin> I could have sworn that I installed flat ubuntu from a livedvd, without installing anything else. On the graphical login screen, I clicked on something that allowed me to launch a KDE session, and I made it default.
[10:19] <OutsiderNZ> nope
[10:19] <Assid> alrite who here uses samba
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> sauvin: congrats :D
[10:19] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: ifconfig did nothing
[10:20] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, methinks your sudo is broken
[10:20] <raylu> seems i never configured netbios-ns for xinetd... o.0
[10:20] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: how do I fix it?
[10:20] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, no idea what's wrong with it; i just think that's the root of the problem
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: ok, well thanks for the help
[10:21] <raylu> does ifconfig do anything by itself?
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> nope
[10:21] <raylu> ...where are you typing this?
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> o wait
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> yes it does
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> yea, ifconfig does something
[10:22] <malqos> hi
[10:22] <voln> i'm trying to install wifi-radar, but gksudo is missing... what this?
[10:22] <raylu> voln, kdesu = gksudo for kde/kubuntu
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> gksudo is kdesu for gnome
[10:22] <ForgeAus> I thought chkfs was supposed to fix not break the HDD
[10:22] <voln> i have kubuntu 7,04
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> voln: wifi-radar you can install gksudo
[10:23] <voln> WaltzingAlong wifi radar in repositary kubuntu...
[10:24] <WaltzingAlong> wifi-radar is more with the gnome suite but could be used in either kde or gnome (or any others). it just needs for example gksudo from the gnome (ubuntu) set
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> voln: otherwise there is wlassistant
[10:25] <malqos> how i can change kde 3.5.6 on 3.5.7?i was on this site http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php but i don't know exactly what to do
[10:25] <malqos> can someone hepl me?
[10:25] <raylu> you lost me after "change"
[10:26] <raylu> you want to upgrade .6 to .7?
[10:26] <malqos> yes
[10:26] <voln> WaltzingAlong wlaassistant doesn't work without knetworkmanager
[10:26] <raylu> malqos, check for updates. adept
[10:26] <malqos> or what do you recomendet?
[10:26] <malqos> maybe 4?
[10:27] <raylu> 4 is still beta
[10:28] <hak> stdin
[10:29] <stdin> hak
[10:33] <hak> stdin : I'm yeniklasor, I'm trying to compile firefox source code (2.0.0.6) O got some error can you help ?
[10:33] <raylu> W00T. my samba works!
[10:33] <raylu> but swat seems rathe rbroken
[10:33] <raylu> hak, show the error
[10:34] <hak> stdin : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34287/
[10:35] <stdin> yeniklasorr: have you installed firefoxes build-deps?
[10:35] <yeniklasorr> what is it ?
[10:35] <stdin> the build dependencies
[10:36] <stdin> 'sudo apt-get build-dep firefox' is a good place to start
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> installing
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> are they library for require firefox source boild _
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> build ?
[10:38] <stdin> the command should install what you need to build firefox
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> sudo apt-get build-dep amarok for example will give for amarok ?
[10:40] <raylu> yes...but why do you want to build these from source?
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> no only for firefox, only for fun
[10:40] <raylu> heh
[10:40] <yeniklasorr>  maybe something...
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> :D
[10:41] <stdin> iirc, firefox takes forever to build
[10:41] <yeniklasorr> maybe trying to change firefox name to yeniklasorfox :O
[10:41] <raylu> that's nice and easy to type :P
[10:41] <yeniklasorr> stdin : core 2 duo 1.83 ghz :(
[10:42] <stdin> will still probably take ages, I haven't built firefox in over a year tho
[10:43] <yeniklasorr> stdin : gave me same error
[10:43] <yeniklasorr> libunixprintplugin.so  what is it :S
[10:43] <sauvin> Or is that the other way around? I'm getting senile :(
[10:44] <raylu> lol...
[11:29] <raylu> well, given that the difference between rm -r ./ and rm -r / is...
[11:29] <raylu> (and i found out the other day that you can't even do the former)
[11:34] <OutsiderNZ> woo, finally got it working
[11:34] <OutsiderNZ> I think...
[11:35] <OutsiderNZ> thanks for the help :)
[11:38] <MilhousePunkRock> OutsiderNZ: So how did you fix it?
[11:42] <tarek_> hi guys i wanted to know if it is possible to make a 64bit program from a 32 bit
[11:42] <tarek_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kontroller/
[11:43] <tarek_> sorry the link is http://sourceforge.net/projects/kontrollerlab/
[11:44] <ironman> ok the grup error is 21
[11:44] <trekdanne> tarek_: build it from source?
[11:44] <tobias> good morning everyone
[11:44] <tarek_> trekdanne:how
[11:45] <antonio_> hola
[11:45] <trekdanne> tarek_: grab the source first: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177228&package_id=204244&release_id=510991
[11:45] <antonio_> hi
[11:46] <trekdanne> tarek_: then follow the instructions in the README and INSTALL files and ask here if you get into trouble
[11:46] <tarek_> trekdanne: ok
[11:54] <cjh> Anyone know anything about getting realtek driver 802.11g installed?
[11:58] <tarek_> trekdanne: i have a problem with the make
[11:58] <trekdanne> tarek_: hmm what does it say?
[11:58] <tarek_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:58] <stdin> cjh: looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs ?
[11:59] <stdin> tarek_: you have to run ./configure first
[11:59] <tarek_> yes
[11:59] <trekdanne> tarek_: is there any error when you run ./configure?
[12:00] <tarek_> like this: checking for gawk... no
[12:00] <steffen> i having problems with phpMyAdmin. i can login but when i have logged in i get kicked out within 5-6sec. i have edited the config file like they say here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ... help?
[12:01] <llutz> tarek_: configure creates a log, check it for errors
[12:05] <trekdanne> tarek_: hmm you might need to install gawk
[12:06] <tarek_> trekdanne: working on it
[12:08] <burcu> hi all,i've latency problem with ssh for a long time
[12:08] <ironman> ok i keep gettin error 21 with gurb after trying to install on a diff hdd other then my master one so should i install on my main hdd?
[12:08] <burcu> it's only at establish state
[12:08] <burcu> after login there is no latency
[12:09] <burcu> is there a configuration at server to decrease latency?
[12:09] <tarek_> trekdanne: is there a way that ubuntu downloads the needed packages?
[12:10] <trekdanne> tarek_: yeah "sudo apt-get build-dep <program>"
[12:11] <trekdanne> however the program in question might not have an entry ...
[12:11] <trekdanne> because it's alpha software
[12:12] <tarek_> trekdanne: no i mean when building it it asks me for packages
[12:12] <cjh> So about the Realtek driver.  no dice on any of the Ubuntu forum helps.  So I loaded the Windows Driver in, still no luck.  It doesn't associate the driver with the hardware.
[12:12] <tarek_> trekdanne: is there a way to auto download them?
[12:12] <cjh> The dissassociation, how's it brought togeather?
[12:13] <spiroo> crimsun, I heard you are good on sounds in linux. Do you have time to help a little
[12:16] <spiroo> ?
[12:19] <spiroo> anyone else who i good on sounds/audio in linux?
[12:19] <spiroo> *is
[12:19] <cjh> Are you referring to audio recording?
[12:20] <Ender> All Trance Music Listeners - TranceRadio ! http://klausyk.Smagus.Net !
[12:21] <spiroo> no audio output, which is really bad in linux. The sound works, but does not sound correct. It is like a bruisy noise all the time I cannot fix.
[12:21] <dany> hello
[12:21] <spiroo> I am not the only one with same problem, that is for sure
[12:22] <cjh> what kind of computer are you on?  what player are you using?
[12:22] <cjh> when I was using MEPIS Amarok, I noticed it had an output that was higher than the hardware...enjoyed.  So it would get a distortion.
[12:22] <spiroo> pc, amarok. Does not matter which player, the audio sound badly in everyone.
[12:23] <tarek_> trekdanne: what does this mean:
[12:23] <tarek_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:23] <spiroo> I mean, when it is just one kind of music with bae and so on, it sounds bruisy
[12:23] <dany> Anyone can help me ?? My kubuntu don't mount anything ( CD ROM , or USB PEN ) how can i force a mount ?
[12:24] <cjh> software audio output volume is too high.  turn it down.
[12:24] <spiroo> dany: I would like to know too, I got same problem after a while. Mounting worked first, but not later
[12:24] <spiroo> No, the output volume is very low
[12:24] <cjh> what file system are you using?
[12:24] <spiroo> It does not matter, the wrong thing is linux or drivers
[12:25] <spiroo> I am using NTFS and EXT3
[12:25] <cjh> NTFS will cause file corruption.
[12:25] <cjh> or has in the past unless it's been fixed...
[12:25] <llutz> spiroo: post a bug-report to the alsa-team
[12:25] <runlevelten> "the wrong thing is linux". If you have enough knowledge to make that analysis, you have enough to fix it.
[12:25] <runlevelten> :\
[12:25] <spiroo> I have uprgade, and does not have any problem with NTFS
[12:26] <llutz> runlevelten: it's not an analysis, it's FUD
[12:26] <runlevelten> spiroo: if it's in the software, play with kmix 'til it's how you want it.
[12:26] <traup> is reiserfs any good?
[12:26] <spiroo> runlevelten: Sorry, but I cannot get any other ideas
[12:26] <runlevelten> llutz: indeed.
[12:26] <anthony_> Hi all
[12:26] <cjh> I have tried to save mp3's on a NTFS HD, and it has always corrupted the files into distortion.  and after a long while it even mixes different files.
[12:27] <spiroo> aha, that is maybe the problem, thank you very much. I shall try to download directly to my EXT3
[12:27] <pure> ntfs with the latest ntfs-3g is working fine for me..
[12:27] <runlevelten> spiroo: if you're able to produce all of the sound at the right speed, your next step is probably to play with your user tools to make it sound how you want it.
[12:27] <spiroo> BTW I transfered mp3 from NTFS to EXT3
[12:27] <cjh> Also about mounting.  In a terminal isn't mount /dev/(LOCATION) the line?
[12:28] <runlevelten> That's assuming the hardware's fine.
[12:28] <spiroo> cjh: yes
[12:28] <spiroo> but you have to be superuser
[12:28] <runlevelten> cjh: It depends what you're mounting.
[12:28] <cjh> yeah, thought someone asked.
[12:28] <spiroo> sudo mount 7dev/location
[12:28] <spiroo> */dev/location
[12:29] <spiroo> runlevelten: Is it all about my files, or has Linux some of it to do?
[12:29] <cjh> What line of code will associate hardware with driver?  I have the driver functioning, and it reads the hardware.  But it hasn't put them togeather.
[12:29] <cjh> Talking 802.11g Realtek.
[12:30] <stdin> you modprobe the driver, that's it
[12:31] <runlevelten> spiroo: open kmix. Play with stuff (carefully with your volume down). I'd look at pcm and so on for what you describe.
[12:31] <spiroo> OKay thanks, will try. Or I have tried that, but no difference, will check the mp3s first.
[12:32] <runlevelten> spiroo: adjust things to taste, basically. Again, this assumes things are playing at the right speed and stuff :)
[12:32] <spiroo> by the way, what is the line to configure VESA driver in xserver-xorg?
[12:32] <spiroo> what do you mean, play in right speed?
[12:32] <spiroo> bitrate?
[12:32] <runlevelten> you'd have a device section with Device = "vesa" in it for your graphics card.
[12:32] <cjh> have no clue which file to modprobe.  inf?
[12:33] <spiroo> but it is a terminal line for setup graphic driver
[12:33] <runlevelten> actual speed. ie: it's not sped up or slowed down.
[12:33] <llutz> cjh .inf seems to be windriver, use ndiswrapper then
[12:33] <llutz> !ndiswrapper
[12:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:33] <spiroo> sorry my n00bish, but what is actual speed then and how do I know?
[12:34] <runlevelten> spiroo: if it were wrong, you'd notice right away.
[12:34] <runlevelten> and you'd know what I meant :)
[12:34] <runlevelten> ;)
[12:34] <spiroo> dpkg-configure xserver-xorg something
[12:34] <`i`> i install kubuntu 2 weeks ago
[12:34] <stdin> !xconfig
[12:34] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[12:34] <spiroo> it is something between configure and xserver
[12:34] <spiroo> ah thank you bot :)
[12:34] <tarek_> trekdanne: you there?
[12:35] <`i`> and i forgot my root pass, is there a way to recover it
[12:35] <cjh> what is the file extension for the Linux driver?
[12:35] <runlevelten> flipping Driver = "vesa"
[12:35] <stdin> `i`: there is no root password
[12:35] <runlevelten> Oh sod it, I'm going to have coffee before I open my mouth again. Sorry.
[12:35] <llutz> cjh: kernel-modules are *.ko
[12:35] <stdin> `i`: use sudo and your password
[12:35] <`i`> it doesnt work
[12:35] <spiroo> vesa does not work to correct right desktop resolution. I need nVidia drivers which i configured there
[12:35] <`i`> when i su
[12:35] <stdin> `i`: like I said, use sudo
[12:36] <`i`> i type the same pass with the username im login
[12:36] <stdin> `i`: "sudo su" or just "sudo -i"
[12:36] <ehc> has anyone gotten gdesklets or adesklets to run on amd64 feisty?
[12:37] <`i`> stdin: thanks :)
[12:37] <stdin> `i`: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo it explains sudo in more detail :)
[12:37] <`i`> yeah, thx a lot
[12:40] <tarek_> i wanted to know how to get rid of the drumming when you want to log in
[12:40] <stdin> drumming? is that the ubuntu sound?
[12:41] <tarek_> yes
[12:41] <cjh> I wish there were places you could use multics.
[12:41] <stdin> the people in #ubuntu would know then
[12:41] <runlevelten> yeah, that's not kubuntu, old bean :)
[12:41] <spiroo> lol
[12:42] <cjh> Ubuntu should become a part of the multics re-revolution.
[12:42] <spiroo> btw, how do i reconfigure grub?
[12:43] <spiroo> I want do delete an OS partition without grub failure like last time I did i. Or I removed a regular partition in Windows and when reboot, error and had to reinstall :(
[12:43] <knulfine> uhm... hi?
[12:43] <spiroo> hello
[12:43] <cjh> tarek: System --> Admin --> Login Window
[12:44] <spiroo> anyone, know about my grub problem?
[12:44] <toby> I've just installed Kubuntu Feisty. I'd like the 3D desktop effects. Should I install Beryl or Compiz? I note on Beryl's site that the two have merged into Compiz Fusion but I don't see that in the package manager.
[12:44] <Skrot-> Hi, which package contains aclocal?=
[12:45] <spiroo> i do not wanna reinstall linux again. I have reinstalled it like 100 times already
[12:45] <knulfine> I nearly can't read anything since ubuntu is on my pc... Everythings too little. Is there a link or something for this Problem?
[12:45] <seezer> can anyone tell me which software is involved when i try to use the multimedia keys for volume up|down|mute? i just get the nifty OSD but nothing happens to the volume.
[12:45] <stdin> toby: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[12:46] <cjh> by the way, don't know if I can discuss in ubuntu forum.  But I just installed this ubuntu, and the GUI is so much like windows what's become the benefit of switching?
[12:46] <toby> stdin: Thank you.
[12:46] <seezer> so the keys seem to be noticed correctly but somethings borked.. it worked fine with feisty but since gutsy it's kinda strange. but with gutsy on my notebook everything is fine there.
[12:47] <cjh> And it's not as if the Command line even can see BSD capability.
[12:47] <toby> knulfine: Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <knulfine> thx toby
[12:47] <stdin> Skrot-: the automake packages, install with "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[12:47] <knulfine> toby. uhm... what is that? sorry I use linux since yesterday
[12:48] <stdin> seezer: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[12:48] <spiroo> cjh: I just thought the same thing, but Windows is not to bad if were talking grapgicaly. Anyway, Linux powns Windows. But I recommend everyone to have both linux and windows isntalled just in case something happens
[12:49] <knulfine> oh ok.. got it
[12:49] <toby> knulfine: good.
[12:49] <spiroo> anyone has experience with grub?
[12:49] <toby> knulfine: You'll want to restart X at the end of the wizard. For a newbie, it's prolly easier to restart the whole box.
[12:50] <runlevelten> cjh: that's gnome I suppose.
[12:50] <cjh> well, Ubuntu is under the .NET platform now isn't it?
[12:50] <blekos> is it possible to upgrade to tribe 4 (7.10) form the internet of it has to be from the cd?
[12:50] <runlevelten> No.
[12:51] <knulfine> toby: well that doesn't work. It's german but I try to translate. It says: The server is not installes and there's no info available
[12:51] <toby> If I accidentally install a metapackage (beryl-kubuntu in this example) how would I go about undoing it? Removing the metapackage doesn't remove the child packages that were installed by it.
[12:51] <cjh> hell, they all are even freeBSD
[12:51] <stdin> blekos: #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <stdin> toby: try "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[12:51] <runlevelten> Gnome uses .Net for some of its new core apps, and has a registry. If you like windows, gnome is for you. This is Kubuntu, which implies users of KDE.
[12:52] <seezer> stdin: ah. ok, thanks and sorry.
[12:52] <runlevelten> KDE does not use Mono for its core apps, does not have a registry, does not have lots of uneditable GUI options, etc.
[12:52] <Assid> gnome uses .net ?
[12:52] <runlevelten> It uses Mono.
[12:52] <spiroo> wtf if it uses .NET
[12:52] <cjh> I suppose you're right.  a .NET function could techinically specifically target KDE but there's currently no reason for it to ever do so.
[12:53] <runlevelten> There are Qt .Net bindings if you want them.
[12:53] <runlevelten> This has nothing to do with KDE or its apps.
[12:53] <Assid> cool
[12:53] <runlevelten> heh
[12:54] <Assid> looks like i can play with mono apps
[12:54] <Assid> brb
[12:54] <Assid> mac in trouble
[12:54] <toby> stdin: Thank you.
[12:54] <stdin> toby: so i guess that worked :p
[12:54] <cjh> if you want to talk apps, talk fixing my wLan card which taunts me in the Device Manager.
[12:55] <cjh> this means the Hardware is clearly fine.  and I installed the driver, which works completely fine.  but when it comes to the two communicating they won't.
[12:55] <cjh> Tried every suggestion through, no dice.
[12:57] <spiroo> cjh, Try Kubuntu 7.10. I had same problem, but 7.10 is for now beta, so not too stable :P
[12:58] <stdin> it's not beta, it's still alpha
[12:58] <Assid> k back
[12:58] <spiroo> KnetworkManager has serious bugs. Now I got wireless WPA2 working :P It is even Ralink 2500 :D
[12:58] <spiroo> stdin: Okay sorry, my bad :P
[12:58] <spiroo> Prerelease anyway
[12:59] <knulfine> Is there anyone who can halp me? I tried this one: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver but it didn't work...
[12:59] <cjh> linx?
[12:59] <spiroo> I am excited to get stable version of Kubuntu 7.10 and KDE Dektop 4 ;P
[12:59] <spiroo> knulfine: You forget something on the end
[12:59] <willempie> Hey peoples
[12:59] <spiroo> xserver-xorg should it be
[01:00] <willempie> Just installed this great distro
[01:00] <willempie> works like a charm
[01:00] <stdin> knulfine: didn't work how? (and did you put "xserver" ot "xserver-xorg" ? )
[01:00] <spiroo> almost
[01:00] <willempie> ...but...
[01:00] <willempie> can't seem to get it to play divx
[01:00] <willempie> any suggestions??
[01:00] <cjh> Would it be in repository, or is it a link I should follow?
[01:00] <stdin> !codecs | willempie
[01:00] <ubotu> willempie: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:00] <knulfine> spirco well I can't read clearly because something is wrong
[01:01] <willempie> thqnks stdin
[01:01] <willempie> !codecs
[01:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:01] <spiroo> knulfine, what do you mean?
[01:01] <stdin> willempie: see the link from ubotu
[01:01] <spiroo> yeayea ubotu, do not post duplicated please :d
[01:02] <stdin> !bot
[01:02] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:02] <spiroo> haha
[01:03] <cjh> spiroo: Where's link to kubuntu7.1?
[01:03] <knulfine> stoin / studn (soorry I dan't read it well: ok I tried it with this org but it tells me this package server is not installed and there's no information available
[01:03] <spiroo> kubuntu.org. But I warn you it is alpha version. It has some bugs. But I do not complain, my network works :P
[01:04] <stdin> knulfine: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:04] <spiroo> anyway cjh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-August/000324.html
[01:04] <stdin> knulfine: copy & paste
[01:05] <willempie> by the way, you guys
[01:05] <willempie> I LOVE IT
[01:05] <willempie> love it
[01:05] <willempie> loooooove it
[01:05] <willempie> I feel all 60-ish
[01:05] <spiroo> haha
[01:05] <knulfine> stoin I did ;-) but it doesn't work
[01:06] <cjh> spiroo: I'll make the jump.  Trying to get my new computer working..I've gone from XP > MEPIS > Windows2000AdvServer > Ubuntu   1 more install round isn't too much for me.
[01:06] <stdin> knulfine: "doesn't work" can mean anything, we need more information than that
[01:06] <spiroo> cjh: Full stable version of Kubuntu v7.10 is going to be released in october
[01:06] <knulfine> stoin which info do you want?
[01:06] <spiroo> cjh: Haha I have gone a longer path, reinstalled Kubuntu like 200 times
[01:07] <cjh> spiroo: Yeah I didn't count all of my angry moments.
[01:07] <stdin> knulfine: what didn't work? how do you know it didn't work? what did you try? what happened when you did it?
[01:07] <paritosh> if i try to launch a gui app from konsole, i get the following error> http://pastebin.com/m40841310
[01:07] <willempie> So now you have a dualcentbootmachine??
[01:07] <spiroo> just one notice for everyone on Kubuntu v7.10. Before upgrade to new amarok, uinsyall libmtp5 and then upgrade. That solved very much trouble for me
[01:07] <stdin> !baddevice | paritosh
[01:07] <ubotu> paritosh: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: hmm thought hobbsee fixed that bug
[01:08] <cjh> It should be common practice to NOT install a new OS with atleast 6 shots of whiskey or 2 glasses of wine.
[01:08] <spiroo> If you do not, Adept get fucked up and so do linux. I destroyed linux once and some files too just of that
[01:08] <spiroo> cjh: haha
[01:08] <stdin> !language | spiroo
[01:08] <ubotu> spiroo: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:08] <spiroo> stdin and uboto: Really sorry, not with purpose
[01:09] <willempie> spiroo: you've managed to destroy linux??
[01:09] <spiroo> I just get angry when things go wrong, lol :D
[01:09] <spiroo> willempie: yes
[01:09] <willempie> Are you working for SCO or novell??? :p
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: 1... its gutsy... 2... did you reload your package lists before you did that?
[01:10] <knulfine> stoin: I copied this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver->org" into the box. I typed Enter. And I got this:Paket xserver- ist nicht installiert und es ist keine Info verfgbar. (that's german for "package xserver is not installed and there is no information available")
[01:10] <spiroo> I could not login, because kbkg was disturbed and so did adept which destroyed linux
[01:10] <knulfine> stoin: ut I have to say, I use linux since yesterday...
[01:10] <stdin> knulfine: no, not "xserver->org" it's "xserver-org"
[01:10] <spiroo> I know it is Gutsy, just hate the word, sounds childish :D
[01:10] <runlevelten> It's off-topic anyway so it's be best discussed in #kubuntu-offtopic , but FYI Novell does not wish to destroy Linux.
[01:10] <spiroo> 2: Yes of course
[01:10] <runlevelten> *it'd
[01:11] <spiroo> libmtp6 is freaky, just say that. It destroyed Adept
[01:11] <spiroo> It does not reconfigure libmtp5 properly to install libmtp6
[01:11] <cjh> So spiroo you do linux programing, for Ubuntu primarily I assume?
[01:11] <willempie> !codecs
[01:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:11] <stdin> spiroo: I use synaptic for devel releases, resolves dependencies better
[01:12] <stdin> willempie: you need to look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:12] <runlevelten> spiroo: if you can get a reproducible bug spotted, it'd be helpful if you reported it to the package maintainer.
[01:12] <spiroo> cjh: In matter of facts no, I just startedwith linux last week :D
[01:12] <runlevelten> Then these things get fixed.
[01:12] <knulfine> stoin: ok I tried that, too but I get the same info
[01:12] <cjh> cjh: Looks like you looked over the packages better, or had more problems.
[01:12] <spiroo> yes :D
[01:13] <willempie> well, I've installed the ubuntu restricted extras package, but still can't play divx in totem
[01:13] <willempie> error =
[01:13] <willempie> Video codec 'DivX 5' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> willempie: wrong channel.....
[01:13] <willempie> oh
[01:13] <stdin> knulfine: copy & paste all this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:13] <willempie> where should I goMM
[01:13] <willempie> go?
[01:13] <spiroo> I had to whole days trying to get wireless working. But It never did, so I found Kubuntu 7.10, not with purpose though :D
[01:13] <Assid> hrmm.. stupid crazy mysql
[01:13] <Assid> broken crap
[01:13] <runlevelten> #ubuntu or #gnome.
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> runlevelten: its already been reported.. and I thought fixed.
[01:13] <spiroo> willempie, console (teminal)
[01:13] <stdin> willempie: are you running gutsy?
[01:13] <spiroo> *terminal
[01:14] <willempie> don't know (noooooob)
[01:14] <spiroo> nosrednaekim: What is reported and fixed? :P
[01:14] <willempie> can get the terminal going though
[01:15] <stdin> willempie: run this command in a terminal "lsb_release -cs" and post what it says
[01:15] <spiroo> willempie: start icon > system > Konsole (Terminal Application)
[01:15] <willempie> ok, one sec
[01:15] <runlevelten> spiroo: that's called the K menu.
[01:15] <knulfine> stoin: ok now there is a window open. I have to change one of the listed things... uhm chip... (don't know the english word) how do I know which one to choose?
[01:15] <spiroo> runlevelten, yea yea whatever :D
[01:15] <runlevelten> ;)
[01:15] <willempie> it says: feisty
[01:16] <runlevelten> No, really.
[01:16] <runlevelten> ;)
[01:16] <stdin> knulfine: what graphics card do you have? (eg: intel, nvidia, ati, etc..)
[01:16] <spiroo> choose nvidia if youre card is nvidia, LOL
[01:16] <knulfine> stoin: Well I don't know. I used windows before...
[01:17] <spiroo> VESA does not work for me if were talking about the resolution
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: the mtp bug
[01:17] <willempie> spiroo:feisty
[01:17] <cjh> So are Wellsfargo bankers having sex with dell employees?
[01:18] <runlevelten> cjh: some of us are eating, thank you very much.
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy | cjh
[01:18] <ubotu> cjh: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:18] <spiroo> ah okay, hmm yes, it is not fixed for me. Maybe I have Tribe 3 isntead of 4, not sure about the difference, but I guess it des not matter because of libmtp bug
[01:18] <stdin> knulfine: in another shell, paste "lspci | grep VGA" and post back
[01:18] <blekos> is there any chance wil know where kmail keeps the identity settings?
[01:18] <spiroo> willempie: LOL feisty is the codename for your dist version not your graphic card driver :D
[01:18] <willempie> spiroo / stdin: that zould be feisty
[01:19] <willempie> lol
[01:19] <willempie> well
[01:19] <knulfine> stoin what's a shelll? (sorry, really sorry I have to sound so stupid)
[01:19] <spiroo> first step is for your grapgic card
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> blekos: identity? it woul probably be in .kde/share/apps/kmail
[01:19] <stdin> willempie: you may need to install w32codecs, look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[01:19] <runlevelten> blekos, when I transfer kmail somehwre I move .kde/share/apps/kmail and everything relevant from .kde/share/config, then the same for kwallet
[01:19] <cjh> blekos: is it in /etc/kmail/
[01:19] <stdin> knulfine: open another konsole or another tab in konsole
[01:19] <runlevelten> as well as my mail folder.
[01:19] <willempie> thought I already done that, will give it another try though
[01:20] <spiroo> runlevelten, Is kmail the opposite to windows outlook kind a?
[01:20] <runlevelten> It couldn't be in /etc/kmail, cjh.
[01:20] <cjh> misread the locations I was at.
[01:20] <runlevelten> spiroo: If what you use outlook for is an email client, yeah :)
[01:21] <cjh> I think he meant Intergration-wise.
[01:21] <runlevelten> kontact is more like it. Evolution is the big groupware client if that's what you want.
[01:21] <runlevelten> Integration-wise, yes.
[01:21] <willempie> By the way: you guys are true guru's. thx for helping n00bs like me :-)
[01:22] <spiroo> okay, yea I usually use it as email client, lol :D
[01:22] <cjh> I need to work on spelling, or stop trying to spell.
[01:22] <ksivaji> what "eject " command will do ?
[01:22] <runlevelten> example, type an email address in the run dialog. Kmail will open a compose window for you ;)
[01:22] <stdin> ksivaji: man eject
[01:22] <knulfine> sstoin: there doesen't happen anything
[01:22] <ksivaji> stdin why dont we have inject command ?
[01:23] <runlevelten> eject -t
[01:23] <stdin> ^
[01:23] <cjh> inject?
[01:23] <spiroo> willempie: I am not guru, but I take that as a compliment :D
[01:23] <ksivaji> to inser cd drive
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> willempie: thats what we are here for :)
[01:23] <runlevelten> ksivaji: Read the man page dude. Come on, you're smart.
[01:23] <toby> In "Adept Manager", what is the meaning of the Kubuntu logo adjacent to some installable items? e.g. the compiz-core package featues the Kubuntu logo, but the compiz-kde does not.
[01:23] <toby> (There is no documentation for Adept Manager)
[01:23] <stdin> knulfine: try "lspci | grep Graphics"
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> I believe it denotes what repository it comes from, and wether or not it is officially supported.
[01:24] <stdin> toby: it means it's in the "main" repository and thus officially supported
[01:24] <spiroo> Does Adept need a documentation, it is as logical as it could be, if you ask me
[01:24] <knulfine> stoin: ok and now? There's a ">"
[01:24] <spiroo> though, i prefer apt-get in terminal
[01:24] <runlevelten> man <this>, info <that>, <theother> --help  - these three things are your torch to illuminate the dark, mysterious shell. Don't forget 'em, don't be afraid to use em. :D
 tried your w32 package, but still the same error
[01:25] <stdin> knulfine: make sure you didn't put any quotes in there
[01:25] <stdin> knulfine: press Ctrl-C and try again
[01:25] <runlevelten> !man
[01:25] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:25] <ubuntu> hi
[01:25] <runlevelten> !info
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <stdin> willempie: what are you trying to play divx in?
[01:25] <willempie> totem
[01:25] <willempie> or mplayer
[01:25] <willempie> neither work
[01:26] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ inject
[01:26] <ksivaji> bash: inject: command not found
[01:26] <ubuntu> I installed wireless drivers, while running from CD, is there a way to avoid rebooting in order to load?
[01:27] <cjh> hate rebooting that much?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> willempie: if you are running ubuntu and totem, please go to #ubuntu.
[01:27] <willempie> Im not using ubuntu
[01:27] <cjh> you could restart your Network Interface, which restarts the hardware and drivers.
[01:27] <willempie> kubuntu
[01:27] <blekos> is there a way to have mails save to another folder?
[01:27] <runlevelten> !info is <reply> The "info" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in - if it doesn't have a !man page, it probably has an info one. Try "info intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:27] <blekos> or another partition?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: yes, there is a way.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> willempie: oh ok..sorry :)
[01:28] <ubuntu> cjh, im running from CD
[01:28] <knulfine> stoin: after enter there's just my namemacomputername abain
[01:28] <willempie> nosrednaekim: np, although I still might be in the wrong channel :-)
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what new wireless driver are you using now?ndiswrapper?
[01:29] <ubuntu> noresnaekim, yep!
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: like, I mean, which one do you WANT to get running.
[01:29] <BFC> hi, I am trying to setup an NFS network between two linux computers. I was wondering where I found out what my server name and domain of my box?
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: ok, I need the output of "lsmod" in a pastebin
[01:29] <cjh> kubuntu.  I want to uncap my modem tFTP.  kubuntu.
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> willempie: heh... but the ubuntu channel is so packed... I wouldn't go there :)
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> willempie: have you tried kaffeine?
[01:30] <willempie> So, still no divx :-( Any suggestions anyone??
[01:30] <willempie> Ah
[01:30] <spiroo_> hehe kubuntu channel was ovefloaded now I guess
[01:30] <willempie> Ill give it a go
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> willempie:
[01:31] <blekos> when I try to export an html page to pdf the default convertion program crashes any suggestions?
[01:31] <spiroo_> Got, denied connection :P
[01:31] <runlevelten> !torch
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about torch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <ubuntu> norednaekim, http://pastebin.com/m227b1de2
[01:32] <spiroo_> anyway, which mp3 codec should I install for Amarok?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> willempie: and if you want to play divx you need another package... "avifile-divx-plugin"
[01:32] <willempie> nodresnaekim: tried kaffeine. It plays, but no image or sound. And it plays waaay to fast (a 7 min clip in 3 seconds)
[01:32] <stdin> spiroo_: libxine-extracodecs
[01:33] <willempie> what command can I use to get that package (ultran00bmode=on)
[01:33] <spiroo_> is that best?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> spiroo_: "libxine-extracodecs"
[01:33] <spiroo_> yes?
[01:34] <stdin> spiroo_: you asked "anyway, which mp3 codec should I install for Amarok?" we just told you
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> willempie: lol.... umm "sudo apt-get install avifile-divx-plugin"
[01:34] <willempie> thx
[01:34] <willempie> getting the hang of this :-)
[01:34] <spiroo_> stdin, in Adept it does not say that libxine-extracodecs is mp3 codec :P
[01:35] <stdin> runlevelten: yes, I saw it :p
[01:35] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , could you please check the output at the link?
[01:35] <stdin> spiroo_: well, it is
[01:35] <knulfine> stoin: after your command and enter there came manameATmycomputername again
[01:35] <spiroo_> okay, I will try it then
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> spiroo_: its a meta package.... it pulls in several other codecs as welll
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: I am I am.. don't rush me or I make mistakes ;)
[01:36] <spiroo_> hehe
[01:36] <willempie> I wish there was this megacodecpack for kubuntu, like klite one
[01:36] <stdin> willempie: there will be for gutsy
[01:36] <Skrot-> A meta package?
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: run "sudo rmmod bcm43xx"
[01:36] <stdin> there will be a kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:36] <spiroo_> anyway, is there any command like in windows for processes like ctr+alt+del
[01:36] <runlevelten> Something to drag them all in I suppose.
[01:37] <runlevelten> cool.
[01:37] <willempie> ctrl esc
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+esc
[01:37] <stdin> that ^
[01:37] <willempie> woohoo
[01:37] <spiroo_> cool thank you
[01:37] <willempie> Im not the ultranoob anymore :-D
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> willempie: you're not that nooby!
[01:37] <spiroo_> btw, got another similar thing. In windows I can type alt+4 char code for special chars. How do I do in Linux?
[01:37] <willempie> lol
[01:38] <runlevelten> I'm the ultranoob. Have been for more than a decade ^^
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: got that? now see if wireless works.
[01:38] <willempie> Well, installed that package as well... totem still gives the Video codec 'DivX 5' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies message
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> willempie: try kaffeine... thats what fixed it for me. Notice also that that plugin is for divx 5 movies... so maybe thats it.
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> *divx4
[01:39] <willempie> I see
[01:39] <willempie> no linuxcodec for divx5?
[01:40] <waylandbill_> mplayer and xine should do 4 and 5 I thought
[01:41] <llutz> waylandbill_: they do
[01:41] <willempie> I'll give mplayer another try. Kaffeine still does the same speedy no image or sound thingy
[01:41] <knulfine> head -> wall
[01:42] <runlevelten> yeah, 5 should be supported some time ago.
[01:42] <willempie> Error opening/initializing the selected video _out (vo) device ---> in mplayer
[01:42] <anandanbu> I have installed k/Ubuntu 7.04 with Windows XP and i need install LinuxMint 3.0 either by deleting the windows partition or installing it in the 15Gb free space please give your suggestions for the installation
[01:42] <willempie> sounds more like a setting to me then a codec
[01:42] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim, it seems to work, awesome, now I can install kubuntu >(
[01:43] <ubuntu> oops wroing keymap
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:43] <runlevelten> God, it's almost as if you're using Totem or something :(
[01:43] <ubuntu> :)   -   better smiley
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: that WAS a rather angry face:
[01:43] <willempie> runlevelten: are you calling me god now?? :-P
[01:43] <ubuntu> yes, result of wrong keymap
[01:44] <spiroo_> willempie, sounds some codec problem or setting in mplayer. I got same error before
[01:44] <willempie> spiroo_: did you solve it??
[01:44] <spiroo_> Anyway my experience says that you should use Amarok for music, mplayer for dvd/movie
[01:44] <maverick> !pm
[01:44] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: better fix your attitude there ;-)
[01:44] <spiroo_> yes, not sure how though
[01:44] <willempie> too bad
[01:45] <spiroo_> I think I sorted it out while I changed some settings in mplayer
[01:45] <maverick> join /bash
[01:45] <spiroo_> try right click on maplayer and go to preferences/settings
[01:45] <willempie> let me uncheck some checkboxes and set some settings :-)
[01:45] <kraut> moin
[01:46] <spiroo_> YES; MY AUDIO SOUNDS GOOD NOW! WOHO :D
[01:46] <spiroo_> thank you, that guy/girl who said I should install libxine-extracodecs
[01:47] <spiroo_> works even with NTFS files :D
[01:47] <spiroo_> I think it even sounds better than Windows :D
[01:48] <spiroo_> jut love the base :D
[01:48] <spiroo_> *just
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> spiroo_: stdin and I say you are welcome
[01:48] <willempie> it does, no horrible errorsounds :p
[01:48] <spiroo_> nosrednaekim and stdin. Thank you very very much!
[01:48] <stdin> you are welcome
[01:48] <spiroo_> Now I gonna help some firends with the theyre sound
[01:49] <spiroo_> *firends
[01:49] <spiroo_> wtf: friends
[01:49] <willempie> darn... Still can't get that divx to work :'( ...which is bassically the only thing I need it for :-S
[01:49] <spiroo_> never gonna complain on linux again.
[01:49] <willempie> Spread the love, spiroo_
[01:50] <Gwall> :)
[01:50] <spiroo_> Anyway, why do you have to play divx? I never use divx :D lol
[01:50] <willempie> lol
[01:50] <willempie> ever heard of joox.net??
[01:50] <spiroo_> xvid i play though ;P
[01:50] <willempie> or tv-links.co.uk
[01:50] <spiroo_> talking to me?
[01:50] <willempie> yep
[01:50] <spiroo_> I mean was that addressed to me ,P
[01:50] <willempie> joox.net is brilliant
[01:51] <spiroo_> hmm, no I do not know
[01:51] <willempie> typing to me?? lol
[01:51] <spiroo_> what is that?
[01:51] <willempie> check it out
[01:51] <stdin> !ot
[01:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:51] <willempie> it has all the movies and tvshows on it
[01:51] <willempie> rather off topic though
[01:51] <willempie> sorry guys
[01:51] <spiroo_> okay sorry, not gonna do general chatter
[01:51] <willempie> np
[01:52] <willempie> ...but thats why :-)
[01:52] <willempie> And it doesnt work :-(
[01:52] <spiroo_> okay, anyway last thing about this. Use TPB :D
[01:52] <spiroo_> Anyone need help with something? :P
[01:52] <willempie> TPB? Whats that??
[01:53] <spiroo_> The Pirate Bay, ssh ... lol :D
[01:53] <MilhousePunkRock> thinkpad-buttons?
[01:53] <willempie> lol
[01:53] <willempie> of course it is :D
[01:53] <spiroo_> proud to be swedish, *NOT*
[01:54] <spiroo_> anyone has problem with sound install libxine-extracodecs and uninstall the rest :D
[01:54] <spiroo_> almost anyway :D
[01:54] <willempie> Wellm anyone has any suggestions for playing divx?? Otherwise I go back to the shadows of the google-valley of depth
[01:54] <spiroo_> try go into adept handler and search for divx
[01:55] <willempie> done that
[01:55] <spiroo_> what kind of divx are you going to play, DVD, avi?
[01:55] <willempie> must have a billion codecs installed right now... Which, unfortunately, dont zork
[01:55] <willempie> it has a d.divx extention
[01:55] <Gwall> morning
[01:55] <willempie> divx 5
[01:55] <willempie> morning
[01:55] <spiroo_> OKay, a tip, do not install everything. sooner or later adept is going to explode :D lol
[01:56] <spiroo_> it could get some conflicts with other codecs
[01:56] <willempie> lol, I wouldnt want that to happen :-/
[01:56] <spiroo_> seems divx is not very well supported :D
[01:57] <willempie> Well guys and galls, thanks for trying to help and all...
[01:57] <spiroo_> only 4 realted packages in adept :P
[01:57] <stdin> for divx in firefox follow > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=491592
[01:57] <spiroo_> *related
[01:57] <willempie> thanks once more
[01:57] <willempie> One day Ill be as guru-like as you guys
[01:57] <spiroo_> hehe, sure do ;P
[01:58] <spiroo_> you gonna love linux if you had windows before
[01:58] <spiroo_> I never gonna use Windows when I have converted every file to EXT3 partition, or I mean transfered
[01:58] <spiroo_> Only has Windows Vista installed as backup just in case
[01:59] <willempie> I've been supporting windows for years now... thought it was time for a change
[01:59] <spiroo_> same for me
[01:59] <spiroo_> Though I do not support Windows, never done
[01:59] <spiroo_> *did
[01:59] <willempie> and its nice to have a fast OS on a slow laptop
[02:00] <spiroo_> yea. Linux is far away faster than Windows, ask intelikey concerning that :D
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> c ya'll!
[02:00] <spiroo_> cya, thank you
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> lol... intellikey an his k7...
[02:00] <spiroo_> :D
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> and his command line mania.... that guy is questionably sane
[02:01] <spiroo_> you have to love linux. Everyone should convert to linux :D
[02:01] <spiroo_> www.convert-to-linux.com  - Should be fun :D
[02:02] <spiroo_> I think Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Emubuntu is easier to install than windows.
[02:02] <spiroo_> This has to do with Kubuntu :D
[02:03] <spiroo_> Anyway, if anyone has quesitions, feel free to ask. I just do not wanna just sit here and dont do anything while waiting on questions
[02:04] <spiroo_> anyway, I got some question btw that I did not get answered I think. Is there anyway to type special chars in Linux like alt + 4 char code in Windows?
[02:05] <spiroo_> like alt+0124
[02:06] <llutz> spiroo_: use kde keyboard-layouts and switch between them
[02:06] <spiroo_> lol, no thanks
[02:07] <spiroo_> I want swedish layout 24/7, not gonna switch
[02:07] <willempie> hey guys, me again
[02:07] <spiroo_> hehe, hello again
[02:07] <willempie> (ultran00bmode=off)
[02:07] <spiroo_> haha
[02:08] <willempie> I tried the manual, which has sth to do with replacing your firefoxplugins
[02:08] <spiroo_> special chars in linux, anyone has better suggestions then llutz? :P
[02:08] <willempie> ...but when I mv * to the directory, I get a message saying its refused to copy there
[02:09] <spiroo_> I need similar like alt + 4 char code in windows
[02:09] <stdin> willempie: use sudo
[02:09] <spiroo_> Maybe there is some plugin, but which? I really need this for php programming
[02:09] <willempie> ah, that might be just it
[02:09] <willempie> thx
[02:09] <spiroo_> Or alla programming btw.
[02:09] <spiroo_> *all
[02:10] <blekos> could you tell me the program that splits the terminal screen into two screens?
[02:11] <spiroo_> nope, sorry. No experience about that :P
[02:11] <[ifr0g] > blekos, maybe screen  could do that..
[02:11] <Qaira> wholy moly: kubuntu is really great, i just bought a lappy and first tried installing debian etch but failed and when tried kubuntu, it has recognized most of the hardware
[02:11] <trekdanne> blekos: GNU screen
[02:11] <spiroo_> Why would you need that btw?
[02:11] <Qaira> that is really really awesome
[02:11] <blekos> thnx
[02:11] <spiroo_> yes, Kubuntu FTW
[02:12] <Qaira> but the bad part is that the CD doesn't come with Kdevelop and other stuff for programming
[02:12] <spiroo_> recommended by most people. Even professionals :P
[02:12] <Qaira> do i have download them all?
[02:12] <stdin> Qaira: yes, yes you do
[02:12] <spiroo_> Just tow words: Zend Studio
[02:13] <Qaira> stdin: i have internet with 128 kb/s, for example to get kdevelop, will it take too long?
[02:13] <stdin> Qaira: just grab "build-essential" and "kdevelop" (possibly "kde-devel" too)
[02:13] <spiroo_> sudo apt-get install apache2 php5
[02:13] <spiroo_> if you mean that kind of develop :D
[02:13] <stdin> Qaira: not sure, probably a while...
[02:14] <stdin> kde-devel is the worst, takes ages to get
[02:14] <Qaira> I see, if kubuntu will start coming out in full packages, it will certainly hit even ms win :-) IMHO
[02:14] <spiroo_> what is kde-devel, btw?
[02:14] <willempie> WOOOHOOO
[02:14] <willempie> look at me being happy
[02:14] <willempie> it works like a charm
[02:14] <spiroo_> :P
[02:14] <willempie> thank you guys SO MUCH
[02:15] <willempie> stdin, spiroo_: you guys are tha bomb
[02:15] <spiroo_> you are welcome, says everyone i guess :P
[02:15] <Qaira> willempie: what are you happy for?
[02:15] <stdin> spiroo_: it downloads the packages needed for KDE development
[02:15] <willempie> got divx working in firefox
[02:15] <spiroo_> great ;P
[02:15] <stdin> willempie: :)
[02:15] <willempie> well, not litterally the bomb
[02:16] <Qaira> willempie: :-)
[02:16] <spiroo_> Ah okay, develop KDE, nice. But do you install full source or what?
[02:16] <willempie> ...but if that was true, you guys would be Weapons of mass distruction
[02:16] <llutz> Qaira: kdevelop with deps is about 15MB, with kde-devel about 65MB ;)
[02:16] <willempie> MOABs
[02:16] <spiroo_> haha :D
[02:16] <stdin> spiroo_: no, just the headers
[02:16] <Qaira> wholy, that will take an hour and half to download them then
[02:16] <spiroo_> okay, yes I see, but is it a lot then?
[02:17] <willempie> Anyone needs help with divx in firefox?? :-D
[02:17] <spiroo_> hehe, I feel sorry that you have to download with 128 kbps
[02:17] <llutz> spiroo_: thats ony the header-files and all that stuff you need to develop kde-apps
[02:17] <spiroo_> willempie, I guess youre unique qith divx :D
[02:17] <llutz> it's not kde-source itself
[02:17] <spiroo_> *with
[02:17] <willempie> ...I'm a divx vet
[02:18] <Qaira> ahhhhhh, by the way, is it possible (well actually i heard it is possible) but I mean are all the debian packages installable in kubuntu?
[02:18] <willempie> Seen it all
[02:18] <spiroo_> llutz, thank you for clarify that for me.
[02:18] <llutz> Qaira: possible yes, but not recommended
[02:18] <Assid> okay anyone here played with samba?
[02:18] <Qaira> because i have 3 Debian Etch dvds full of all packages for every case :-)
[02:18] <stdin> Qaira: possible, yes. recommended, no
[02:18] <Qaira> llutz: why not?
[02:18] <spiroo_> I am a Full HD fan btw :D
[02:18] <Qaira> stdin: why not recommended?
[02:18] <llutz> Qaira: it may drive you into trouble. kubuntu bases on debian but isn't 100% debian anymore
[02:19] <stdin> Qaira: while we use the same packaging system, we use different versions and different depends
[02:19] <stdin> Qaira: there is a possibility of them conflicting and breaking the system
[02:19] <Qaira> I see, that is again not for my goodness :-)
[02:19] <spiroo_> Samba, btw, is it possible to connect to a SMB in Samba. I want a shortcut to my network file sharing :P
[02:20] <llutz> spiroo_: man smbmount
[02:20] <stdin> !samba
[02:20] <Qaira> I guess I will just go to my brother's work and download there with 512 kb/s
[02:20] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:20] <spiroo_> man smbmount, then what?
[02:20] <llutz> read it
[02:20] <stdin> !man | spiroo_
[02:20] <sander__> is there a simple way of installing KDE4 on a kubuntu system?
[02:20] <ubotu> spiroo_: The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:20] <stdin> sander__: read the /topic
[02:21] <spiroo_> okay thank you bot and stdin
[02:22] <willempie> well, I'm very happy, as you all can tell... But there's one ;ore but :-)
[02:22] <spiroo_> man commands sounds risky :P
[02:22] <willempie> *more
[02:22] <stdin> spiroo_: why?
[02:22] <spiroo_> okay what?
[02:22] <willempie> It works great in FF with mplayer
[02:22] <spiroo_> stdin, user commands. I will destory something :D
[02:22] <willempie> ...but not in mpayer alone
[02:22] <spiroo_> destroy
[02:22] <stdin> spiroo_: you can't destroy anything with man
[02:24] <willempie> I'm sure he can ;-)
[02:24] <nixternal> plus destorying something is half the fun...it was the way I learned many many years ago...destroy - fix
[02:24] <stdin> nope, he really cant
[02:25] <willempie> oh... (/ultran00bmode=on + switch is broken)
[02:26] <llutz> nixternal: that was before you learned to read? ;)
[02:26] <spiroo_> okay, good to know then but do I just type man smbmount?
[02:26] <spiroo_> it says, No manual entry for smbmount. I guess the error is my bad, but why if I may ask?
[02:26] <spiroo_> would be easier if I could do it in GUI Dolphin for example, lol
[02:27] <llutz> spiroo_: konqueror -> addressline -> smb://
[02:27] <stdin> many years ago there wan nothing to read, so we had to entertain ourselfs by breaking and then fixing the system.
[02:27] <spiroo> smb://GLOBALNET    ?
[02:27] <llutz> stdin: even slackware 1/2 etc came with some documentation
[02:27] <stdin> it was known as "The Golden Age"
[02:27] <spiroo> stdin: hahahahaha rofl
[02:28] <spiroo> better in old days I guess.
[02:28] <zipper> lol
[02:28] <zipper> it really wasnt
[02:28] <spiroo> But before you had nothing to be afraid of. You had no documents and fiels :D
[02:28] <zipper> unless you're a masochist i guess
[02:28] <spiroo> I was ironic
[02:29] <zipper> well, believe it or not, but some zealots prefer the days before such blasphemy as, eek, X
[02:29] <spiroo> zipper, it is just an expression
[02:30] <spiroo> haha okay, yea maybe some people looking backwards
[02:30] <spiroo> anyway, SMB, is smb://GLOBALNET correct?
[02:31] <llutz> spiroo_:just smb://  or if you look for a special host smb://hostname
[02:31] <llutz> smb:// to browse
[02:31] <Assid> cmon samba.. work!!!1
[02:32] <spiroo> okay, but how do I create a shortcut to a special host/computer?
[02:32] <llutz> bookmark it
[02:32] <stdin> right click > create new > link to location
[02:32] <spiroo> eh, when I only typed smb:// I got into my own root folder :D
[02:33] <llutz> samba *shudder*
[02:33] <spiroo> okay thank you stdin, will try that
[02:33] <spiroo> how do I myself on my computer share files in Linux?
[02:33] <llutz> nfs/ssh
[02:34] <spiroo> I mean on my LAN
[02:34] <llutz> spiroo: me too
[02:34] <stdin> lots and lots of ways
[02:34] <spiroo> lol
[02:34] <spiroo> which is the easiest?
[02:34] <llutz> ssh
[02:34] <stdin> http, ftp, scp, sftp, samba, nfs etc....
[02:34] <spiroo> I prefer GUI for that if it is anyone
[02:35] <llutz> spiroo: konqueror can handle nearly all of that
[02:35] <spiroo> I want like Windows do, to share folders in the LAN
[02:35] <stdin> linux to linux = install ssh and use sftp:/ in konqueror
[02:35] <llutz> fish://
[02:35] <spiroo> llutz, cool I thought about uninstall Konqueror, but I guess not now :D
[02:35] <stdin> llutz: fish is slower than sftp
[02:36] <stdin> spiroo: that would break things anyway
[02:36] <llutz> maybe, but fast enough for me
[02:36] <spiroo> I want Windows to linux and Linux to windows
[02:36] <runlevelten> Don't uninstall Konqueror. VERY useful app.
[02:36] <spiroo> yes I know now :D
[02:36] <willempie> hooray for the mplayer channel
[02:36] <willempie> the problem was solved by scaling
[02:36] <spiroo> Konqueror sucks for Internet browsing anyway :D
[02:36] <stdin> llutz: fish is a wrapper for ssh, modern ssh has sftp server integrated
[02:36] <stdin> spiroo: in what way exactly ?
[02:36] <llutz> stdin: i know
[02:36] <spiroo> willempie: nice ;P
[02:37] <spiroo> http
[02:37] <sander__> when I try to install these kde4base-dev packages I get some error which tells me that "Some packages could not be installed."
[02:37] <spiroo> and https of course
[02:37] <runlevelten> spiroo: Actually, it doesn't. You can use it as a very light fast browser, since it has options to "Open in Opera, Open in Firefox" etc. in the menu.
[02:37] <stdin> spiroo: no, in way is konqueror not a good browser ?
[02:37] <arun> how do you use fish:/ to share files
[02:37] <runlevelten> It will have an entry for pretty much every browser you install.
[02:38] <spiroo> because no good GUI for Internet browsing and Webdevelopment
[02:38] <stdin> arun: install ssh on both boxes and use sftp://host or fish://host
[02:38] <runlevelten> arun: once you have sshd running, clients can use fish:// to access them.
[02:38] <arun> ah
[02:38] <stdin> spiroo: why?
[02:38] <arun> what about http?
[02:38] <runlevelten> Funny. I would say konqueror improves my web development workload massively.
[02:39] <stdin> spiroo: it had tabs long before firefox was born
[02:39] <spiroo> no plugins, no good menu bar, not much settings like I want
[02:39] <runlevelten> Most notably the integration between it and ssh/ftp and my editing tools.
[02:39] <spiroo> Haha, not talking about tabs :D
[02:39] <spiroo> rofl :D:D:D:D:D:D
[02:39] <stdin> spiroo: no good plugins? FF and Konq use the same pluguns
[02:39] <runlevelten> Not much settings and no plugins. I think you haven't actually used konqueror ;)
[02:39] <sander__> someone actually tried to install KDE4 beta1 on KUbuntu?
[02:40] <stdin> s/pluguns/plugins
[02:40] <spiroo> BTW, is there anyway to similate IE. I hate IE, but need for bug testing websites sometimes
[02:40] <runlevelten> ies4linux
[02:40] <stdin> spiroo: install it in wine ^
[02:40] <llutz> ie4linux
[02:40] <spiroo> lol :D
[02:40] <spiroo> I guess I have not noticed the potential of Konqueror yet .P
[02:41] <spiroo> I hate wine, is there not any simulator or plugin in Konqueror?
[02:41] <spiroo> I wanna test IE 6 and 7 mostly
[02:41] <runlevelten> No, if you want to test for the browser, you need to test with the browser.
[02:41] <sander__> spiroo: ehm it's a windows application?!
[02:41] <spiroo> would be great if I could test Zafari too :D lol
[02:41] <arun> spiroo: install ies4linux
[02:41] <stdin> spiroo: why would we want to introduce bugs to konqueror?
[02:41] <spiroo> sander_: daaa, I know :D
[02:42] <arun> spiroo: or install vmware and run windows/ie under that
[02:42] <spiroo> stdin: what do you mean?
[02:42] <llutz> arun: it's based on wine too, isn't it?
[02:42] <spiroo> ah okay now I get it :D
[02:42] <runlevelten> He means Internet Explorer is full of bugs, which if you're a web developer, you already agree with ;)
[02:42] <stdin> spiroo: the only way to simulate IE in konqueror would be to put in the same bugs intentionally
[02:42] <voln> Firefox have a lot of extensions, Konq is not, Konq is slow and heavy apps
[02:43] <spiroo> I do not wanna browse with IE, I hate it. I just want the render tool like Gecko
[02:43] <arun> llutz: i think so.. i just use vmware/windows
[02:43] <spiroo> stdin: hahahahahah
[02:43] <stdin> voln: you have that backwards, konqueror is much lighter
[02:43] <spiroo> voln: what are you talking about?
[02:43] <runlevelten> voln: how is konqueror slow?!
[02:44] <voln> runlevelten slow
[02:44] <spiroo> yea, KOnqueror is a lightweight application, unless you do it heavy with purpose or not purpose works as well :D
[02:44] <runlevelten> voln: don't be silly. :)
[02:44] <runlevelten> Of course it's not slow.
[02:44] <arun> how do i share files via http?
[02:44] <spiroo> maybe you try to run it from GNOME :D
[02:45] <runlevelten> arun: For a small casual share, add the personal file server applet to your panel and use that.
[02:45] <spiroo> btw, why does GNOME apps in KDE run slow, like GParted and vice versa
[02:45] <stdin> arun: you can either install apache or another httpd, or use the file sharing applet for kicker
[02:46] <runlevelten> arun: then right click on it, select "new server" and follow the prompts.
[02:46] <stdin> spiroo: because the system needs to load the GTK+ libs
[02:47] <spiroo> I takes one year at least do checking devices in GParted
[02:47] <spiroo> *do = to
[02:47] <spiroo> And just have to say it, IE sucks, it is the only one I think that has no support at all for the REAL XHTML standa. Why M$, whyrd
[02:48] <spiroo> stdin, ah okay. But is there anyway to load it faster then?
[02:48] <stdin> spiroo: run gnome
[02:48] <spiroo> lol, I prefer KDE
[02:48] <stdin> or buy a supercomputer
[02:48] <runlevelten> keep the appropriate gtk libraries loaded
[02:48] <spiroo> hehe
[02:49] <spiroo> what is GTK+ btw? Kind of new to this :P
[02:49] <spiroo> *on
[02:49] <stdin> !gtk
[02:49] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[02:49] <spiroo> *fresh
[02:49] <runlevelten> the gui toolkit, although in this instance you're talking about other stuff too a lot of the time.
[02:49] <spiroo> thank you bot, you have to love bots sometimes
[02:50] <runlevelten> I run some GTK apps under KDE, because some are the best of their type.
[02:50] <spiroo> runlevelten: what do you mean with: ""talking about other stuff too a lot of the time"
[02:50] <arun_> hello
[02:50] <runlevelten> ie: GIMP, xqf, et cetera. I rarely get slowness tbh.
[02:50] <sehe> like !GIMP very much indeed
[02:50] <arun_> sorry, i got disconnected
[02:51] <sehe> there must be some paradox in that statement
[02:51] <arun_> runlevelten: you were saying about apache/kpf?
[02:51] <runlevelten> spiroo: gnome cruft.
[02:51] <spiroo> I miss a good partitioner in KDE
[02:51] <stdin> spiroo: qtparted ?
[02:51] <sehe> qtparted sucks big time!!!
[02:51] <afaith> hello there! i've found a tutorial on http://www.debian-administration.org/, (http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73) and i don't know if i can aply it to solve my problem
[02:51] <spiroo> qtparted sucks
[02:51] <stdin> sehe: why?
[02:51] <llutz> cfdisk
[02:51] <sehe> crappy GUI, messed up my commit sequene once too!
[02:51] <stdin> spiroo: why?
[02:51] <spiroo> because you cannot do anything in it
[02:52] <stdin> sehe, spiroo: you don't know that that's what you used to install kubuntu?
[02:52] <spiroo> you cannot even unmount and mount as in GParted
[02:52] <runlevelten> cfdisk ftw, by the way.
[02:52] <afaith> i've got apache running on the local ethernet interface (eth0) but i want to let a friend of mine to see a couple of pages. but i don't want to stop apache. can i do that forward with iptable s?
[02:52] <sehe> stdin: If I remember correctly it messed up my drive when I did a 'copy' and 'resize' in one batch
[02:52] <afaith> please, help me, i'm really in need
[02:52] <spiroo> stdin, "wrong, I did now"
[02:52] <sehe> stdin: gparted however, rocks!
[02:52] <stdin> sehe: like I said, that's what you used to install kubuntu?
[02:53] <spiroo> I mean I knowed I use it, BTW it is from Windows Magic Partition but coded in C++ isntead
[02:53] <sehe> stdin: the integration into kubuntu installer is ok, that's another topic
[02:53] <spiroo> *Partition Magic
[02:54] <sehe> stdin: really the kind of thing you do then is 'simple' compared to what i do with gparted
[02:54] <spiroo> I want more tools like in Norton Partition Magic, that tool rocks all apps for partitions
[02:54] <sehe> stdin: I didn't mean to burn qtparted down all the way :)
[02:54] <fabio_> teste
[02:54] <spiroo> sehe: just agree with you, Gparted is far away better than QTParted
[02:54] <stdin> sehe: you can't, it's a decent app (now)
[02:55] <sehe> spiroo: gparted beats Partition Magic in my book. Open Source, cross platform, mmmmuuuuccchhh more felxible
[02:55] <sehe> stdin: good point. I love the way it all integrates in the kubuntu dist anyways
[02:55] <afaith> no one :( please guys, i really need help :(
[02:55] <stdin> afaith: afaik, no you need to restart apache
[02:55] <sehe> afaith: use ssh?
[02:56] <stdin> sehe: the kubuntu devs put a lot of work in to it for the live installer
[02:56] <spiroo> maybe in some cercumstances
[02:56] <afaith> stdin: i don't want to restart apache
[02:56] <sehe> afaith: ssh -L port:server:port syntax, maybe use -fN
[02:56] <stdin> afaith: you said, but why?
[02:56] <sander__> !paste
[02:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:56] <afaith> sehe: shy should i use ssh when i think i can use iptables. is that tutorial wrong ?
[02:56] <spiroo> stdin: The Live Installer has nothing to do with it. Develop the application in Desktop mode instead.
[02:57] <stdin> spiroo: it's the _same_ app
[02:57] <sehe> afaith: yes you can use iptables. grok the man if you want
[02:57] <spiroo> I know ;) But it seems they only develop it for installer purpose not as an application
[02:57] <sehe> afaith: only suggested ssh as it is far easier to do ad-hoc with less potential impact on your pc config
[02:58] <sehe> spiroo: indeed
[02:58] <stdin> spiroo: there is no difference, the installer runs on the desktop...
[02:58] <stdin> live session/installed, same app
[02:58] <spiroo> but, yhy. I know. But I do not think you know what I mean
[02:58] <sander__> The problem I get with KDE4 packages are posted here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34296/
[02:58] <sander__> perhaps you can have a look and help me out :)
[02:59] <spiroo> Develop more functions in the application not only develop to better the functions up.
[02:59] <sehe> stdin: spiroo: by the way that is amazing of all ubuntu dists. You can simply work with a fuyll system while still installing it (or not)
[02:59] <spiroo> We need better support for deifferent filesystems and resizing.
[02:59] <sehe> afaith: ?
[02:59] <sehe> spiroo: which one is lacking in your opinion?
[02:59] <afaith> stdin & sehe: i've said that i run apache on 192.168.1.1 (eth0) in my LAN . i want to allow a person from outsite the local network to acces it, without having to restart apache and to modify httpd.conf . i believe that i can use iptables. i've found that tutorial, but i don't know if it will work. sehe suggested me to use ssh. it will help ? if i do this for example, ssh -L 80:89.122.*.*:80 it will work ? i really doubt that
[03:00] <llutz> spiroo: ask m$ for opening ntfs-sources
[03:00] <spiroo> It said when I should delete a partition, unmount all disks that is higher then sdax
[03:00] <sander__> pretty please with a sugar on top?
[03:00] <afaith> yes sehe i'm here.i was typing
[03:00] <sehe> afaith: i c
[03:00] <spiroo> sehe: Not quite sure, most EXT2 and NTFS
[03:00] <sehe> afaith:you want external internet access to a PC on your local network 192.168.*
[03:00] <sehe> afaith: you could do that with iptables on the box that is publicly visible
[03:01] <spiroo> llutz: Yea lol
[03:01] <sehe> afaith:on another note, you probably have a router that is capable of NAT
[03:01] <sehe> afaith:usually the safest/simpest way to configure a NAT translation on the router to your 192.168.1.1 box
[03:01] <afaith> sehe: the box i'm talking it's the sameone that acts as a gateway. my pc. the one i'm using now to chat with you.
[03:02] <henri_> http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2007/08/18/ubuntu--why-it-is-wrong-for-america.aspx
[03:02] <sehe> spiroo: I don't recall there is anything I can't do (have a look at the suppoorted features matrix in Gparted) with ext3 and ntfs
[03:02] <henri_> damn
[03:02] <spiroo> anyway, why could not every single company in the world agree with ONE Single standard. Not a thousand different ones. Talking mostly for M$ and Pony (Sony)
[03:02] <sehe> spiroo: i use ntfs-3g btw
[03:02] <sander__> can someone at least have a look at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34296/
[03:02] <spiroo> me too
[03:03] <afaith> sehe: as i said, apache is running on the local interface, eth0. if i access http://192.168.1.1:80 from my network it works. i want now to allow one of my friends to access my apache by writing this : http://89.122.*.*:80 . i've found that tutorial. it will do the job ?
[03:03] <spiroo> I can do the most, but I mean it has not full support.
[03:03] <sehe> afaith: so probably apache binds to local (loopback) only?
[03:03] <sehe> you can change the config, and send a reload signal to apache2
[03:03] <sehe> afaith: apache/apache2?
[03:03] <spiroo> speaking of partitions, grub is lacking when I delete and partition and I have to reinstall linux because I cannot boot.
[03:04] <afaith> sehe: i believe it's apache (i run it via /etc/init.d/httpd start/stop) it matters ?
[03:04] <spiroo> Mostly when I delete and OS partition, even if it is not set as active
[03:04] <sehe> afaith: yes in the details. I believe apache has a reload command/signal as well
[03:04] <sehe> afaith: try /etc/init.d/httpd without argumetns to see if it lists a reload/reread-config option
[03:04] <spiroo> How do I solve the problem in grub, I wanna delete an old Linux partition without have to reinstall Linux another time?
[03:05] <afaith> sehe: but i don't want to change my httpd.conf every time i want to let someone to access it . i believe it's more practical to call a script that inserts a few iptables commands
[03:05] <sehe> spiroo: I don't recognize the problem, but most of my gripes with grub/partitions go away when using UUIDs for partition ID
[03:05] <spiroo> just Deny all, thats my suggestion :D
[03:06] <sehe> afaith: you are right.
[03:06] <spiroo> sehe: not mine I guess, how do I do? :P
[03:06] <sehe> afaith: i was assuming you were looking for a quick fix (this being a support channel), not a future-proof automated solution
[03:06] <spiroo> I wanna delete and Linux Kubuntu Partition which was registered as a boot point in grub.
[03:07] <afaith> sehe: so. .. is this tutorial (http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73) gonna do the job ?
[03:07] <sehe> spiroo: in the old sense of 'a picture says more than a thousand words, lemme put up a fragment of my confs
[03:07] <spiroo> hehe, what you mean more specific?
[03:08] <sehe> afaith: looks ontopic... i don't have time to read it all. good luck with tinkering imho:)
[03:08] <sehe> spiroo: i'm pasting some of my grub menu.lst for ou... just a moment
[03:08] <afaith> sehe: i know it's a quick fix, but i'm tired to edit that conf every time. in this manner, by inserting an deleting iptables line, i can tell my father to open konsole, then type for example "apacheinternet" and call a script that will insert a few iptables lines into the firewall. it's just an example
[03:09] <spiroo> sehe: thank you very much
[03:09] <Qaira> people, this is strange, why there is no root in kubuntu?
[03:09] <stdin> !sudo | Qaira
[03:09] <ubotu> Qaira: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:09] <afaith> sehe: thanks very much
[03:10] <afaith> sehe: i'll try it now
[03:10] <Qaira> yes that is to run programs, but when i want to mount the windows partition?
[03:10] <runlevelten> sudo mount...
[03:10] <stdin> Qaira: mount is a program
[03:11] <stdin> Qaira: or just put it in /etc/fstab
[03:11] <stdin> !ntfs | and read
[03:11] <ubotu> and read: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:11] <Qaira> just like this? sudo mount /dev/[win]  /mnt
[03:11] <Qaira> ?
[03:11] <runlevelten> Qaira: you can do everything with sudo you can do with root
[03:11] <sehe> spiroo: meanwhile, update-grub(8) is a good source of how things work in *ubuntu
[03:11] <stdin> Qaira: basically, yeah
[03:12] <runlevelten> Qaira: including passwd, should you be so inclined ;)
[03:12] <stdin> there is really no need to enable root
[03:12] <spiroo> sehe: what you mean with update-grub, mean I should install in Adept?
[03:12] <sehe> spiroo: btw just realize feisty uses UUID partition references by defautl?
[03:12] <spiroo> I use Gutsy
[03:12] <sehe> spiroo: no, it's  a script comes with Grub
[03:12] <spiroo> :P
[03:13] <Qaira> i tried to mount the win part and it is already mounted :-)
[03:13] <sehe> spiroo: it's used when you use *ubuntu features to change partitions. If you do manually, you could use it
[03:13] <Qaira> i really like kubuntu
[03:13] <spiroo> Anyway, I wanna delete an reference I gonna delete fysically
[03:13] <sehe> spiroo: it effectively generates the proper menu.lst from 'meta-config' in menu.lst
[03:13] <Qaira> it is getting really interesting
[03:13] <Qaira> ok, thanks for the help
[03:13] <spiroo> OKay, sorry to bother, but how do I do, I wanna be sure that I do it right
[03:14] <sehe> spiroo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34299/
[03:14] <spiroo> btw, Qaira: When I installed, every single NTFS and EXT3 was automatially mounted, wii :D
[03:14] <stdin> spiroo: you shouldn't be running gutsy if you don't know what you're doing, it can (and probably will) break at any time
[03:15] <Qaira> :-) yeah the same case with me
[03:15] <kaminix> Suggestions for a Wikipedia like program which I don't have to install a webserver to get working?
[03:15] <sehe> spiroo: the interesting bits are the *commented* settings (!!!!!) between
[03:15] <spiroo> stdin: Gutsy has been breaking a lot of times ;P
[03:16] <stdin> yes, I know, I run it
[03:16] <spiroo> I just need it to get my Wireless network working, I must have it
[03:16] <sehe> spiroo: ## ## Start Default Options ##, ## ## End Default Options ##
[03:16] <sehe> spiroo: probably the crux to the story is line #74
[03:17] <afaith> sehe: bad news :( it doesn't do the trick
[03:17] <spiroo> sehe, yeah i noticed that :P
[03:17] <sehe> afaith: so sorry, but for me I'm going to let you figure it out by yourself, because this kind of question doesn't easliy answer itself on IRC :)
[03:18] <spiroo> but I am not gonna delete this partition, I mean another OS configuration for Kubuntu
[03:18] <sehe> spiroo: to be honest, I didn't think this up. ntfs partitions can also be identified by UUID (i do that)
[03:19] <spiroo> sehe: Hmm okay, but how do I do then, I really do not understand which lines and files I need to configure
[03:19] <sehe> spiroo: and there is the risk, that when you copy a full partition (gparted again) you must never forget to generate a new UUID for the copy (or conflicts will happen)
[03:19] <afaith> sehe : thanks anyway for your help. only a little question i want you to answer me if you like : can you point me a place where i can ask for help ? maybe a discussion board or another IRC channel
[03:19] <sehe> spiroo: see tune2fs --help
[03:20] <sehe> afaith: fraid I'm new to IRC, so anyone else ? (I just started chatting yesterday)
[03:20] <spiroo> I do not gonna copy a partition, I am gonna delete on and resozing another
[03:20] <afaith> anyone else willing to help me with a iptables problem, or tell me a place where i can get help ?
[03:21] <spiroo> BTW, Why I cannot create more then 4 partitions, I hate to have a extended one
[03:21] <sehe> spiroo: what specifically do you think is gonna break? Do you have a menu.lst in the style that I do?
[03:21] <spiroo> menu
[03:21] <spiroo> menu.Ist, where?
[03:21] <sehe> spiroo: in that case a 'sudo update-grub' should solve any problems
[03:22] <sehe> spiroo: just be sure to do that *before* rebooting hehehe
[03:22] <sehe> spiroo: !GRUB, or /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <spiroo> haha okay, yes. I hope you have right, otherwise I will be back in a while :D
[03:22] <sehe> spiroo: on older systems/other dists used to be /boot/grub/grub.conf
[03:22] <spiroo> okay I certainly hope you are right.
[03:23] <sehe> spiroo: just read some grub docs if you need reassurance :d
[03:23] <spiroo> Okay, I guess mine is brand new then :D
[03:23] <spiroo> I use Vista and Kubutnu Gutsy :P
[03:23] <sehe> spiroo: if you are like me, just dive in and trust your backups
[03:23] <sehe> spiroo: (you do have backups, not?)
[03:23] <spiroo> good idea, I gonna take backup now. Is it possible to take one directly to a dvd-+rw?
[03:24] <sehe> spiroo: doesn't get much newer
[03:24] <spiroo> heh
[03:24] <sehe> spiroo: yeah why not. i would'nt advise it for practical reasons (experience :))
[03:24] <sehe> spiroo: my favorite is an external HHD
[03:24] <sehe> spiroo: HDD^^
[03:24] <spiroo> I always do backup in norton ghost 12 in Vista, but now I have not been able to do any ones for Linux, but I should now I guess :P
[03:25] <spiroo> My favourite is my Sandisk USB U3 Titanium :D
[03:25] <sehe> spiroo: yup. With an external harddrive you can even *copy/paste* the partition across drives using our beloved gparted
[03:25] <sehe> spiroo: crazy innit
[03:25] <sehe> spiroo: i'm not saying that is efficient tho
[03:25] <spiroo> haha okay :D
[03:25] <afaith> no one :( ?
[03:26] <sehe> spiroo: i used that, tune2fs --bla, plus daily rsync --bla to keep daily full system backups
[03:26] <spiroo> anyway, can I do backups directly to removable media in CDROM?
[03:26] <spiroo> I guess Cron would do the job ;P
[03:26] <waylandbill_> spiroo: dd will make a nice, quick backup
[03:26] <kondeDrakul> gparted is backup program ?
[03:27] <bjwebb> is there a way to run a command as a non-root user before the login screen?
[03:27] <spiroo> kondeDrakul, no
[03:27] <sehe> spiroo: lots of ppl do. i just don't fancy it. aversion to media failures, readiness problems, disk full conditions and the like
[03:27] <sehe> spiroo: i don't visit my server all too often, ya know
[03:27] <waylandbill_> gparted is a partition editor. I think it can copy paritions, which would be essentially the same thing though.
[03:27] <spiroo> I do not have any space on the harddrive or has any External Drives, so I do not have a choice
[03:27] <sehe> waylandbull_: gaprted uses dd internally, but nciely hidden from user :)
[03:28] <bjwebb> ?
[03:28] <waylandbill_> waylandbill.. not bull. :-)
[03:28] <kondeDrakul> i use sbackup ,but how restore from the terminal in case of crach the system ?
[03:28] <spiroo> Is it possible to do backup thrue FTP server?
[03:28] <waylandbill_> kondeDrakul: using a liveCD as a rescue system.
[03:28] <sehe> waylandbull_: spiroo: for CD/DVD tar cvjp / | mkisofs --bla is more sensible
[03:29] <Assid> arite
[03:29] <kondeDrakul> waylandbill,how ?
[03:29] <Assid> samba can officially sit on an egg and hatch it.. it just is a pita
[03:29] <michael> Random Fortune: I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-) 	-- Andrew Tanenbaum to Linus Torvalds
[03:29] <spiroo> BTW, I cannot Backup if Grub cracshes, if I then have to boot from LiveCD, I could install too.
[03:29] <sehe> spiroo: yes. I think you want to do a package search for 'backup' keyword :)
[03:29] <sehe> spiroo: amanda, bacula, rdiff-backup etc.
[03:29] <waylandbill_> kondeDrakul: using a command line, and mounting the source and destinations.
[03:29] <stdin> !backup
[03:29] <spiroo> okay hehe
[03:29] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[03:29] <sehe> spiroo: i suppose Konserve should support FTP because of ftp KIO-slaev in kde :)
[03:30] <spiroo> !backup
[03:30] <spiroo> sorry, just had to try the command
[03:30] <stdin> !backup | spiroo
[03:30] <ubotu> spiroo: please see above
[03:30] <sehe> brilliant
[03:30] <spiroo> yes I saw
[03:30] <sehe> this bot is smart
[03:30] <spiroo> yea :D
[03:31] <spiroo> would be a nice friend to talk to :D
[03:31] <spiroo> lol
[03:31] <sehe> spiroo: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:31] <waylandbill_> there are of course more sofisiticated solutions as you can see, but fundamentally, it's just copying files from one place to another.
[03:31] <bjwebb> is there a way to run a command as a non-root user before the login screen?
[03:31] <spiroo> anyway, sehe: which backup GUI/Frontend do you prefer then?
[03:31] <sehe> waylandbill_: #philosfy101
[03:32] <sehe> damn i carnt type
[03:32] <spiroo> lol
[03:32] <spiroo> Keep is already isntalle by default, should I use?
[03:33] <waylandbill_> bjwebb: I don't know if kubuntu's cron accepts the @reboot directive, but one of the cron programs does.. maybe vixie-cron is the one I may be thinking of.
[03:33] <sehe> spiroo: no experience
[03:33] <waylandbill_> spiroo: I've used Keep. It's not bad.
[03:33] <bjwebb> waylandbill_: okay
[03:33] <spiroo> waylandbill: Support for FTP and DVD writing then?
[03:34] <sehe> spiroo: waylandbill_: just notice it integrates with rdiff-backup (a personal favourite)
[03:34] <spiroo> okay, thanx
[03:34] <sehe> spiroo: waylandbill_: that doesn't imply DVD/FTP capabilites !
[03:35] <spiroo> to bad, which one should I install then?
[03:35] <sehe> spiroo: doesn't preclude it as well
[03:35] <spiroo> I guess I just create ISOs in K3b and burn them
[03:35] <sehe> spiroo: i'm doing a PoC test now over ftp (kioslave)
[03:35] <waylandbill_> there's always K3b.
[03:36] <mc|dad_> So, anybody here particularly gifted in the area of subnetting?
[03:36] <spiroo> Okay thanks sehe. I wanna upload files directly to an FTP stream to my host
[03:36] <spiroo> webhost, lol
[03:36] <bjwebb> waylandbill_: what about using crontab?
[03:39] <spiroo> is there anyway to split up an ISO, One ISO is to large for my DVD
[03:39] <spiroo> or any backup splitter for DVD
[03:42] <sehe> spiroo: no luck woth the kioslave here. So i guess that means Keep&&FTP==NoGo
[03:42] <sehe> spiroo: it is probably most convenient to split the data *before* making the iso
[03:43] <spiroo> Hmm okay, to bad. Guess I have to do it manually then
[03:43] <sehe> spiroo: I know some of the other packages mentioned will support ftp out-of-thebox
[03:43] <spiroo> sehe: yea probably, but I do not know how muc to split, because not sure about size
[03:44] <sehe> yeah always a dillemma. if you magically split iso's, it will be hard to access them in part however
[03:44] <spiroo> I will install a several different backup tools now ;P
[03:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:44] <spiroo> hello, welcome to IRC
[03:45] <sehe> swell innit, shortcut keys :)
[03:45] <sehe> spiroo: i'll be off for a moment or several :)
[03:45] <BluesKaj> thx spiroo... I'm a bit of a regular here :)
[03:46] <BluesKaj> coffee!
[03:47] <spiroo> BluesKay: sorry, mentioned wrong words then. Welcome only then ;P
[03:47] <mc|dads> stdin: Ever get clamav auto-scanning to work?
[03:47] <jimmacdonald> and just how does one "steel" coffee is this a new hardening technique I am unfamiliar with?
[03:47] <mc|dads> I'm trying to get it running, but it seems as thought the kernel module is having trouble in dapper.
[03:48] <stdin> mc|dads: no, I read a load of docs but it never worked. I was easier just to remove all the windows clients..
[03:49] <stdin> mc|dads: I think I remember it being on the feisty to-do list, but other than that I gave up on it
[03:49] <mc|dads> stdin: The purpose of this machine I'm setting up for my dad is to be a backup server for all of his windows clients :)
[03:49] <mc|dads> Well the kernel module is in the repos... it just won't load.
[03:52] <anna> Why doesn't the auth-command work
[03:59] <BluesKaj> so stdin, i'm gonna give "kde4base-dev" another try as per the page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php . Any caveats or suggestions ?
[03:59] <bjwebb> is it possible to set a shell script to run when i type a command?
[03:59] <stdin> BluesKaj: if you have any qt4*-kdecopy installed, remove them first
[04:00] <sehe> bjwebb: ? what do you mean, type a command where
[04:00] <bjwebb> sehe: in the terminal
[04:00] <sehe> bjwebb: sure
[04:00] <bjwebb> how
[04:00] <sehe> bjwebb: let's see if I get your question
[04:01] <sehe> bjwebb: you have a script, called 'script.sh'
[04:01] <bjwebb> yeah
[04:01] <stdin> bjwebb: alias command='/path/to/script.sh'
[04:01] <sehe> bjwebb: assuming it's in the current working directory, just say
[04:01] <sehe> bjwebb:  './script.sh'
[04:01] <sehe> bjwebb: (w/o the quotes)
[04:01] <bjwebb> no i wanted what stdin said
[04:01] <sehe> bjwebb: if you want a simpler command, use the alias as mentioned
[04:02] <stdin> bjwebb: that will make the command "command" call the script
[04:02] <bjwebb> yep
[04:02] <sehe> bjwebb: alias HOOLA=/home/bjwebb/script.sh eg
[04:02] <sehe> bjwebb: yep
[04:02] <sehe> bjwebb: or you could link to /usr/bin if you want all users to be able to use the same command (barring filesystem permissions ;)0
[04:03] <sehe> bjwebb: so e.g. ln -s /home/bjwebb/script.sh /usr/bin/command
[04:03] <bjwebb> oh, so alias would of just been for me
[04:03] <BluesKaj> stdin , I copied and pasted qt4*-kdecopy into konq and it doesn't show anythings , as well as trying to remove such files with aptitude, but there weren't any .
[04:03] <sehe> bjwebb: note that this is rather drastic and frowned upon in shared senvironments
[04:03] <stdin> you also pit it in ~/bin
[04:03] <sehe> bjwebb: great
[04:04] <bjwebb> sehe: well its my pc :D
[04:04] <stdin> BluesKaj: ok, go for the install, I'd suggest using aptitude
[04:04] <BluesKaj> right
[04:04] <sehe> bjwebb: you can put the alias in .bashrc or any other shell-init script that comes to mind
[04:04] <waylandbill_> or name the script exactly as the command somewhere in your path.  The .sh doesn't determine how it executes. The interpreter listed after the shebang magic number does.
[04:07] <Fraction> stdin: I found out why my wlan didnt work, had to write "sudo modprobe fsam7400 radio=1", so if someone asks the same question etc :)
[04:08] <anna> Das Nero work on linux?
[04:09] <spiroo> yes
[04:09] <anna> thx
[04:09] <bjwebb> only the linux version tho
[04:09] <spiroo> But K3B is better I can asure you
[04:09] <bjwebb> lol
[04:09] <bjwebb> spiroo: something i was having difficulty with a bit ago was how to easily burn divx to dvd
[04:10] <sehe> spiroo: k3b - better hands down
[04:10] <anna> Well I've got Nero at home because I had it on windows
[04:10] <bjwebb> but Nero for windows won't work on linux
[04:10] <stdin> Fraction: hmm, ok
[04:10] <vistakiller> if ou have the original the nero linux for win
[04:10] <vistakiller> you can download the linux version for free
[04:11] <manchicken_> Why would you use nero when k3b works just fine?
[04:11] <spiroo> *assure
[04:11] <spiroo> Nero is not quite stable in Linux and has not many features. It only include the Nero burn app
[04:11] <spiroo> [16:09]  <spiroo> But K3B is better I can asure you
[04:11] <spiroo> [16:09]  <spiroo> *assure
[04:11] <spiroo> [16:10]  <spiroo> Nero is not quite stable in Linux and has not many features. It only include the Nero burn app
[04:11] <sehe> and k3b integrates the hell out of the KDE desktop
[04:11] <sehe> unbeatable by proprietary software
[04:11] <manchicken_> sehe: Too true.
[04:12] <spiroo> yes, so very true.
[04:12] <spiroo> in other words, nero sucks in linux
[04:12] <sehe> ok ok guys i think the point is made
[04:12] <manchicken_> spiroo: No, in other words Nero sucks in general :)
[04:12] <anna> hm... Well I'll try to load it and if it doesn't work I think.... well there'll be some way to listen to musik^ ... but thx
[04:12] <sehe> hehehehehehe
[04:12] <spiroo> yea, probably, my bad .P
[04:12] <someguy> hello every1
[04:13] <sehe> hi
[04:13] <anna> *lol* it doesn't
[04:13] <spiroo> lol, do you use Nero to listen to music?
[04:13] <someguy> anyone know if 7.10 will have compiz-fusion?
[04:13] <manchicken_> anna: Do what you gotta do.  We can't support Nero here.
[04:13] <stdin> someguy: try asking in #ubuntu+1
[04:13] <sehe> anna: what doesn't whither?
[04:13] <manchicken_> someguy: Don't know if it made feature freeze or not.
[04:13] <anna> uhm yes listen to music and burn ;)
[04:13] <stdin> manchicken_: neither am I
[04:13] <waylandbill_> anna: k3b and amarok.
[04:13] <manchicken_> someguy: IIRC, 7.10 has a feature freeze in place.
[04:14] <someguy> manchicken, thanks
[04:14] <sehe> anna: k3b? does nero play music then? last time i used it was in 1995 or something
[04:14] <manchicken_> And since people were still talkinga about compiz-fuzion, that leads me to believe no... but I could be wrong.
[04:14] <spiroo> oh okey, I STRONGLY recommend that u install Winamp in Windows and Amarok in Linux
[04:14] <anna> thank's I'm writing it down
[04:14] <sehe> anna: use Amarok, Noatun or somthing ofr playing music
[04:14] <manchicken_> amarok > winamp
[04:14] <spiroo> naa
[04:14] <sehe> anna: And yes you can listen while burning
[04:14] <manchicken_> amarok is the sweetest music player to ever grace the magnetic media of my SATA drive.
[04:15] <spiroo> I prefer winamp, not anything wrong with amarok, but Winamp has better GUI IMO .P
[04:15] <someguy> spiroo, how about vlc for winbloz
[04:15] <spiroo> IMO, VLC sucks
[04:15] <manchicken_> spiroo: You must be crazy :P
[04:15] <sehe> manchicken_: that must be some strange usage of the word 'sweet' that I was previously unaware of :D
[04:15] <anna> uhm do I get all this programms here in germany? *lol*
[04:15] <willempie> hey peoples
[04:15] <spiroo> it has a lot of built-in codecs and so on but GUI and the rest sucks
[04:15] <willempie> me again :-D
[04:15] <manchicken_> sehe: Stick around, I'll be here all week.
[04:15] <willempie> Ever grateful as usual
[04:15] <sehe> anna: yes, it's all standard ubuntu stuff( kubuntu really for Amarok)
[04:16] <spiroo> manchicken: Yea i feel carzy sometimes :D
[04:16] <someguy> spiroo, lol don't care its a great app.  winamp is an aol.com product. lol
[04:16] <manchicken_> spiroo: They have pills for that.  My sister assures me the work quite well.
[04:16] <sehe> manchicken_: i might be off for some work tho
[04:16] <anna> well ok
[04:16] <willempie> anyhoo... I have a question, tried the mplayer channel, but they sent me here :-S
[04:16] <anna> Tanks
[04:16] <anna> Thanks
[04:16] <spiroo> manchicken: I hope that was ironic, or else I guess I am not the crazy one
[04:17] <sehe> sehe: good to see you'r a pacifist after all
[04:17] <willempie> ...and yes: it's all about divx, of course
[04:17] <manchicken_> I need to get this stupid dazuko kernel module loading.
[04:17] <sehe> manchicken_: what's it do then?
[04:17] <sehe> manchicken_: that doesn't sound to pacifist to me :D
[04:17] <manchicken_> sehe: dazuko is a kernel module that does virus scanning.
[04:18] <voln> what is the good jabber client for kubuntu?
[04:18] <spiroo> why virus scan in linux?
[04:18] <manchicken_> sehe: I'm making a backup server for my dad, so I want to be able to have it scan his backups from win32 machines.
[04:18] <sehe> spiroo: because you don't want to destroy your data
[04:18] <willempie> ...I'm trying to play divx in a standalone mplayer (got it working in firefox), but I get an output device error. The guys in the mplayer channel told me to use mplayer -vf scale file.avi, which mqde it work
[04:18] <spiroo> ah, I see ;P Never mind then :P
[04:18] <willempie> *made
[04:18] <sehe> manchicken_: wht do you need complicated ACL support for that?
[04:18] <anna> and one, lilittle, second thing: How to change the server...  Is this something for this chan, too or is there another chan for that?
[04:19] <waylandbill_> voin: kopete and gaim both do jabber.
[04:19] <manchicken_> spiroo: I'm virus scanning in gnu/linux to pick up what win32 missed before backing up to this backup server.
[04:19] <Blauhaut> hiya all
[04:19] <Blauhaut> :()
[04:19] <willempie> ...but I dont want to use the terminal every time I want to play a divx file
[04:19] <voln> waylandbill_what about psi?
[04:19] <Blauhaut> Guys how can i see my ip adress ?
[04:19] <sehe> spiroo: ok there are few linux viruses, but with ubuntu popularity... you never know. and, worms are pretty much a UNIX invention :)
[04:19] <spiroo> manchicken: Fully understandable from my side. You cannot be sure for Windows
[04:19] <willempie> So they told me to edit the /.mplayer/config file
[04:19] <sehe> manchicken_: welcome back :D
[04:19] <spiroo> How about Kubuntu?
[04:19] <willempie> add a line called: vm=scale
[04:19] <manchicken_> That way if we have to restore from backup, it's less likely we'll be restoring malware.
[04:20] <willempie> and save it
[04:20] <willempie> didn't solve it
[04:20] <spiroo> I mean sehe: What about virus in Kubuntu then?
[04:20] <manchicken_> My sister just got nailed by a doosey of a virus that PGP encrypted several of her files and demanded money for the ability to decrypt them.
[04:20] <stdin> willempie: add it to ~/.mplayer/gui.conf too
[04:20] <manchicken_> This network sucks right now.
[04:20] <willempie> thx
[04:20] <waylandbill_> voln: I just mentioned the two that come in kubuntu and ubuntu. There are of course others.
[04:20] <sehe> spiroo: like I said: no system is immune, and you can either wait till one is made and be sorry, or be smart
[04:20] <spiroo> It is almost impossible to create viruses in Linux, unless the user itself start one in for example a binary file .bin
[04:21] <manchicken_> *lag test*
[04:21] <sehe> spiroo: *or trust your backups* (that's my strategy. i never bothered with virusscanning even on 15years+ windows)
[04:21] <spiroo> sehe: Yes, I understand that very well. Got my harddrive blown away by a virus before. It scarmbled all my data on harddrive.
[04:21] <willempie> stdin: cant seem to add a line there??
[04:21] <stdin> willempie: why?
[04:21] <willempie> it gives a *ping*
[04:22] <avraham> hey everybody
[04:22] <sehe> I only had a virus once, and it was easy for me to get rid of. Spyware on the other hand... I used Spybot sarch and destory quite a lot
[04:22] <stdin> willempie: what gives a "*ping*"
[04:22] <manchicken_> Man... this stinks.
[04:22] <joseph> im new to ubuntu....wats the best irc chat client to use....im using konversation
[04:22] <spiroo> sehe: Use Norton even if it loads power as hell, It does the job.
[04:22] <avraham> somebody can help me please??
[04:22] <willempie> well, i used the following commands in terminal:
[04:22] <stdin> !best | joseph
[04:22] <ubotu> joseph: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:22] <manchicken_> willempie: Thanks.
[04:22] <spiroo> In windows of course, in linux I dont know
[04:22] <manchicken_> err, nevermind.
[04:22] <willempie> stdin: touch gui.conf and next vi gui.conf
[04:22] <manchicken_> This lag really makes things much more difficult.
[04:22] <avraham> i have ubuntu and kde installed on it
[04:22] <sehe> spiroo: like i said, i prefer common sense over a virus scanner. Never used one (licenses + performance headaches)
[04:23] <joseph> ok tell me wat chat client u guys are using and dont u dare say mirc
[04:23] <manchicken_> That's a little better.
[04:23] <stdin> willempie: gui.conf should already be there.... and your using vi ???
[04:23] <sehe> konversation
[04:23] <manchicken_> joseph: konvi, of course
[04:23] <vgcat> hey
[04:23] <sehe> there is ksirc, kvirc as well
[04:23] <joseph> i installed conversation and only one network showed up which is this one
[04:23] <willempie> stdin: you're right, its there already, and yes, I use vi
[04:23] <manchicken_> joseph: You can add more :)
[04:23] <joseph> wat ever happened to dalnet and p2pchat
[04:23] <spiroo> I use: Konversation. The IRC app has that name
[04:23] <avraham> i have ubuntu with kde.....i have just installed beryl and it doesn't work !
[04:23] <avraham> what can i do
[04:23] <avraham> ?
[04:23] <manchicken_> joseph: You add the networks you want.
[04:24] <jhutchins> joseph: You are free to add any network you like in konversation.
[04:24] <joseph> doesnt that mean u have to know th enetworks?
[04:24] <manchicken_> joseph: It's really not too tricky.
[04:24] <stdin> willempie: may god have mercy on your soul
[04:24] <manchicken_> joseph: You should only chat on networks that you know.
[04:24] <vgcat> I have aproblem whit my grafic card (ATI RADEON 9200 SE), on Ubuntu 7.04! Please someone can help me?
[04:24] <willempie> stdin: lol
[04:24] <spiroo> avraham: It is called Kubuntu ;P
[04:24] <joseph> lol
[04:24] <jhutchins> !ati | vgcat
[04:24] <ubotu> vgcat: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:24] <spiroo> vgcat: what problem?
[04:24] <willempie> stdin: (ultran00bmode is still on, switch broke off)
[04:24] <joseph> does anyone know wat network that #morpheeus chatroom is in?
[04:24] <manchicken_> Can't say as though I do.
[04:25] <vgcat> i tried to install the original drivers
[04:25] <vgcat> whit easybuntu
[04:25] <manchicken_> You could google it and see if there's anything about it there.
[04:25] <vgcat> to get 3d acceleration
[04:25] <sehe> avraham: scout the forums
[04:25] <manchicken_> vgcat: What exactly is the problem?
[04:25] <joseph> thanx for the help peeps
[04:25] <vgcat> doesent work now the openGL eighter
[04:25] <willempie> stdin: any ideas?? Should I use another program?
[04:25] <spiroo> I think Kubuntu has build-in drivers. Not sure but I guess. BTW, is there anyway to use ATI CATALYST Center in Linux?
[04:25] <stdin> willempie: I like nano :)
[04:26] <joseph> gotta love virtual machines
[04:26] <vgcat> and i want to get 3d acceleration
[04:26] <spiroo> nano powns ;P
[04:26] <manchicken_> vgcat: Did you reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:26] <manchicken_> stdin: And nano likes you.
[04:26] <willempie> stdin: well, I am a first time user, so everything is new for me
[04:26] <joseph> how do i play windows games in ubuntu with wine.....i tried but graphics so slow
[04:26] <vgcat> no
[04:26] <stdin> willempie: vim is not the most "user friendly" app
[04:26] <spiroo> 3d acceleration is in restricted manager. Or I mean restricted reposotories
[04:27] <manchicken_> vgcat: Well you'll need to do that.
[04:27] <sehe> joseph: go over to winehq.com for forums
[04:27] <vgcat> i just used easyubuntu to install the drivers
[04:27] <stdin> willempie: nano ~/.mplayer/gui.conf
[04:27] <vgcat> and what to do manchicken
[04:27] <manchicken_> vgcat: easyubuntu is not an officially supported Ubuntu program, IIRC.
[04:27] <sehe> joseph: could be wine-hq.com actually
[04:27] <capcom> one little question: i had an accident using vnc. i used a hotkey for the client, ctrl+alt+f12, but the remote machine reacted on that and switched to runlevel 12 (i guess it's called runlevel 12). how can i return to runlevel 7 where my kde session is running? i have an existing ssh connection that allows me to enter console commands
[04:27] <willempie> stdin: I'll try it right away
[04:27] <manchicken_> vgcat: in a terminal, `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[04:27] <sehe> capcom: it's called a virtual console
[04:28] <spiroo> and follow each step, if not sure, just press enter for default value i think :P
[04:28] <manchicken_> capcom: There's no such thing as runlevel 7... are you sure you don't mean virtual terminal 7?
[04:28] <willempie> stdin: looks similar ;-) Anyway: I can just add the line where ever I want??
[04:28] <stdin> capcom: ctrl-alt-f12 would switch to tty12, alt-f7 should bring you back
[04:28] <spiroo> Is there ATI Catalyst Center in Linux?
[04:28] <sehe> capcom: I would suggest that you should be able to use ctl-alt-f7, but you may try alt-left 5 times to get the effect
[04:28] <vgcat> manchicken im in!
[04:28] <vgcat> tell me what to do
[04:28] <manchicken_> vgcat: Then continue configuring your xserver.
[04:28] <manchicken_> Just answer the questions.
[04:28] <stdin> willempie: yeah, just add the line, press Ctrl-o to save and Ctrl-x to exit
[04:28] <vgcat> ??
[04:28] <capcom> stdin: yes i tried this but this triggern another client function and does not pass to the remote system. i need a console command
[04:29] <manchicken_> Use the "Simple" options when possible.
[04:29] <spiroo> first step in xserver-xorg switch from VESA to ATI
[04:29] <vgcat> Configuring xserver-xorg 
[04:29] <vgcat>   For the X Window System graphical user interface to operate correctly,    
[04:29] <vgcat>   it is necessary to select a video card driver for the X server.           
[04:29] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:29] <vgcat>   Drivers are typically named for the video card or chipset manufacturer,   
[04:29] <vgcat>   or for a specific model or family of chipsets.
[04:29] <manchicken_> vgcat: Those configs are going to be very specific to your hardware.  There's no way that I could possiby figure that out for you.
[04:29] <sehe> capcom: does alt-left work?
[04:29] <vgcat>  X server driver:                                                          
[04:29] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:29] <spiroo> vgcat: do not paste that code here please. Use pastebin.org
[04:29] <vgcat>                                sisusb                                      
[04:29] <capcom> sehe: i'll try this, please wait a moment
[04:29] <vgcat>                                tdfx                                        
[04:29] <vgcat>                                tga                                         
[04:29] <vgcat>                                trident                                     
[04:29] <vgcat>                                tseng                                       
[04:29] <vgcat>                                vesa                                        
[04:29] <vgcat>  
[04:29] <manchicken_> vgcat: Stop pasting that here please.
[04:29] <Zorix> im having the exact same problem as this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/96565 any suggestions?
[04:29] <sehe> capcom: btw, you could try to just reconnect vnc client
[04:29] <stdin> !paste | vgcat
[04:29] <ubotu> vgcat: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:29] <manchicken_> !paste | vgcat
[04:30] <vgcat> K I UNDERSTAN!
[04:30] <capcom> sehe: reconnecting does not work, i have a black screen then
[04:30] <sehe> capcom: i've never seen vnc show virtual consoles....
[04:30] <spiroo> lol
[04:30] <vgcat> manchitchken
[04:30] <vgcat> what i supsed to do now?
[04:30] <spiroo> vgcat, browse with arrows up and down and press enter when it is done
[04:30] <vgcat> what to select?
[04:30] <manchicken_> vgcat: Just answer the questions using your keyboard to navigate the UI.
[04:31] <spiroo> if you are on first step switch from VESA to ATI
[04:31] <vgcat> k
[04:31] <vgcat> done
[04:31] <sehe> capcom: i'm afraid nothing else is there except whe you have physical access to the vnc server :0
[04:31] <spiroo> then go down and press enter
[04:31] <manchicken_> vgcat: TAB switches field focus, up/down/left/right changes selections, and enter submits the current screen.
[04:31] <vgcat> i selected ati
[04:31] <vgcat> and pressed enter
[04:32] <sehe> capcom: could it not be screen savers? you could use the ssh session to check
[04:32] <spiroo> yes, press tab or right/left arrows and go to OK button and press enter
[04:32] <stdin> capcom: try "chvt 7"
[04:32] <vgcat> ?!
[04:32] <vgcat> I dont understand
[04:32] <vgcat> i sellected ati and pressed enter
[04:32] <vgcat> now im a menu
[04:32] <sehe> stdin: brilliant, that's a new one for me, thx
[04:32] <vgcat>  The X server configuration file associates your video card with a name    
[04:32] <spiroo> please anyone, I have not time to explain how to navigate in Xserver-Xog
[04:32] <vgcat>   that you may provide.  This is usually the vendor or brand name followed  
[04:32] <stdin> sehe: man -k vt :)
[04:32] <vgcat>   by the model name, e.g., "Intel i915", "ATI RADEON X800", or "NVIDIA      
[04:32] <vgcat>   GeForce 6600".                                                            
[04:32] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:32] <vgcat>   Identifier for your video card:                                           
[04:32] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:32] <vgcat>   Generic Video Card____
[04:32] <vgcat> srry for code:(
[04:33] <Karti> Hi all, just a quick one - can I tar within  a tar?
[04:33] <sehe> capcom: should be sudo chvt 7 perhaps
[04:33] <spiroo> Karti: yes
[04:33] <stdin> Karti: you can, if you want
[04:33] <vgcat> please help me
[04:33] <sehe> Karti: yep
[04:33] <spiroo> tar zxvf tarfilename (path), for example with unpack it to home
[04:33] <Karti> Just thinking of my backups and how I would like to tar the folders to keep space down before I transfer to CDROM
[04:34] <capcom> sehe: this works, thank you!
[04:34] <manchicken_> vgcat: As I said, that configuration will be very specific to your hardware.  We don't know what your hardware is.
[04:34] <willempie> stdin: thx, edited and saved them both, but still get the same error
[04:34] <sehe> capcom: stdin: tahnk stdin, np
[04:34] <vgcat> ATI RADEON 9200 SE
[04:34] <manchicken_> vgcat: If the thing gives you a default answer in a box like that, just hit enter.
[04:34] <spiroo> Karti, btw how do you backup? I need to get help with backup a partition to DVD
[04:34] <stdin> willempie: post your gui.conf to pastebin, I'll compare it to mine
[04:34] <vgcat> omg
[04:35] <manchicken_> vgcat: What?
[04:35] <vgcat> in that box i writed ATI RADEON 9200 SE
[04:35] <vgcat> :(
[04:35] <willempie> ok, one sec
[04:35] <manchicken_> vgcat: It doesn't matter, that is just an arbitrary identifier string.
[04:35] <sehe> spiroo: Karti: the battle of the backup pioneers :) sorry couldn't resist quipping on that
[04:35] <Karti> spiroo: I'm just learning. I currently use a script, that has been amended with the help of people like sehe and Level15
[04:35] <spiroo> How do I do private chat with someone, how to register?
[04:35] <vgcat> but now it gives me a long mesege
[04:35] <sehe> spiroo: good question i'd like to know that myseld
[04:35] <vgcat>  Users of PowerPC machines, and users of any computer with multiple video  
[04:35] <sehe> spiroo: good question i'd like to know that myself
[04:35] <pag> !register | spiroo
[04:35] <ubotu> spiroo: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:36] <vgcat>   devices, should specify the BusID of the video card in an accepted        
[04:36] <sehe> ah great
[04:36] <vgcat>   bus-specific format.                                                      
[04:36] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:36] <Karti> sehe: lol and there was me giving you some publicity!
[04:36] <manchicken_> vgcat: PASTEBIN THIS STUFF!
[04:36] <sehe> !register | sehe
[04:36] <vgcat>   Examples:                                                                 
[04:36] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:36] <vgcat>    ISA:1                                                                    
[04:36] <manchicken_> vgcat: STOP pasting in the channel please.
[04:36] <vgcat>    PCI:0:16:0                                                               
[04:36] <spiroo> thank you stdin
[04:36] <runlevelten> vgcat: Not again..
[04:36] <vgcat>    SBUS:/iommu@0,10000000/sbus@0,10001000/SUNW,tcx@2,800000                 
[04:36] <stdin> vgcat: stop flooding the channel
[04:36] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:36] <Karti> ;) not forhetting stdin:
[04:36] <vgcat>                                                                             
[04:36] <vgcat>   For users of multi-head setups, this option will configure only one of    
[04:36] <vgcat>   the heads.  Further configuration will have to be done manually in the X  
[04:36] <sehe> Karti: heyhoo and welcome back
[04:36] <vgcat>   server configuration file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:37] <vgcat>  You may wish to use the "lspci" command to determine the bus location of  
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu)   your PCI, AGP, or PCI-Express video card.                                 
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu)                                                                             
[04:37] <spiroo> omg, vgchat, stop typing damn it
[04:37] <manchicken_> Wow.
[04:37] <Karti> sehe: thanks and to you....
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu)   When possible, this question has been pre-answered for you and you        
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu)   should accept the default unless you know it doesn't work.
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu) ?
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu) :( OMG
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu) i think i whill get banned:((
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu) i just want help
[04:37] (vgcat/#kubuntu) :(
[04:37] <spiroo> not so many lines after each other
[04:37] <manchicken_> vWow, that's got a little bit of lag
[04:37] <spiroo> vgcat: You do not get helped faster by typing like that
[04:37] <vgcat> i got kicked:(
[04:37] <stdin> vgcat: use the pastebin site
[04:37] <vgcat> :(
[04:37] <manchicken_> vgcat: Yeah, you don't paste in the main channel.
[04:38] <manchicken_> vgcat: You use the pastebin.
[04:38] <vgcat> AWWW
[04:38] <vgcat> give me that
[04:38] <spiroo> Karti: Which backup tools do you use?
[04:38] <Zorix> netgear ma401 sucks on latest ubuntu
[04:38] <spiroo> !pastebin
[04:38] <vgcat> ati sux
[04:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:38] <Zorix> dont use ati in linux
[04:38] <spiroo> nvidia ftw
[04:39] <Zorix> dont even waste your time with ati in linux
[04:39] <Karti> spiroo: I just use tar and gz within a script. That is then run either by using the script or by using Kcron after midnight
[04:39] <vgcat> what is the sintax?
[04:39] <stdin> vgcat: instead of pasting here, you paste in that website and post the URL here
[04:39] <Karti> spiroo: then I transfer it all to cd every two weeks
[04:40] <spiroo> Karti: Please, could u show me. I really want to know how. I wanna create ISOs and with Cron backup or Konserve
[04:40] <sehe> vgcat: there is none, just go the website
[04:40] <vgcat> k
[04:40] <sehe> vgcat: paste a *link* to the result back in irc
[04:40] <sehe> !register | sehe
[04:40] <Karti> I can show you the script that people helped me write, but it does not burn to cd rather it saves to a separate usb drive or network drive
[04:40] <Blauhaut> is there a way to connect on remote server ?
[04:41] <Blauhaut> i have 2 comp so i want to make a connection with them by using internet
[04:41] <willempie> stdin: when I save the file and reopen it, the line is still there. But when I exit and start mplayer, still get the error. When I nano the file again, the line is gone
[04:41] <spiroo> okay, I just need the code to create ISOs/tars of an whole partition. The buring I could do myself, lol.
[04:41] <vgcat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34304/ <--- here i pasted
[04:41] <spiroo> Karti: I also want to split data in different ISOs/tar so they fit 4.4 GB DVD
[04:42] <spiroo> if you know what I mean
[04:42] <sehe> spiroo: tar xjvp / | mkisofs (man mkisofs if you need)
[04:42] <sehe> spiroo: google multivolume tar iso
[04:42] <spiroo> sehe: how to select partition then?
[04:43] <Karti> spiroo: Here is the code I use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34305/
[04:43] <stdin> willempie: try putting it like: vm = "scale"
[04:43] <vgcat> HELP:(((((
[04:43] <vgcat> ME
[04:43] <vgcat> PLZ
[04:43] <stdin> willempie: with the spaces and quoting
[04:43] <vgcat> :(
[04:43] <Karti> spiroo: But to backup my partitions I used Acronis or Ghost
[04:44] <spiroo> Karti: Thank you very much for the Cron code
[04:44] <spiroo> Karti: Acronis/Ghost is Windows applications
[04:44] <sehe> spiroo: use the mount point instead of /. there are options to tar (man tar) to restrict to a filesystem
[04:44] <vgcat> People
[04:44] <spiroo> okay, I will
[04:44] <vgcat> Do you hear me?
[04:44] <vgcat> Lol
[04:44] <spiroo> no
[04:45] <Karti> spiroo: If you use cron, play about in the terminal with "crontab -e" and crontab -u <your name here> -l
[04:45] <sehe> spiroo: i think in e2fstools there is something to 'cat' a partition to a plain file as well (ntfsclone for ntfs)
[04:45] <manchicken_> vgcat: Yeah, just hit enter there.
[04:45] <manchicken_> And then hit enter on the next screen.
[04:45] <manchicken_> vgcat: You really should read the WHOLE screen before asking questions though.
[04:45] <manchicken_> Because that same answer is actually printed on the screen.
[04:45] <vgcat> ho have a ati radeon 9200 se grafic card?
[04:45] <spiroo> sehe: e2fstools?
[04:45] <vgcat> ho have a ati radeon 9200 se grafic card?
[04:46] <spiroo> Why, why should it be so complicae to just backup simple data
[04:46] <sehe> spiroo: e2fsprogs :)
[04:46] <Karti> spiroo: its easier to do so once you have created your cron using Kcron
[04:46] <anna> no IRC-command works. Why
[04:46] <spiroo> Just wanna create splitted partition data into several ISOs comprimized as much as posible
[04:46] <fernando> hello, hola, ciao, bonjours...
[04:46] <sehe> spiroo: uhm cron adds a level of complexity in essence :0
[04:46] <Karti> spiroo: its actually quite simple *looks at sehe*
[04:46] <Karti> when you know how!
[04:47] <spiroo> Karti: haha okay
[04:47] <vgcat> ho have a ati radeon 9200 se grafic card?
[04:47] <spiroo> yes it always is
[04:47] <spiroo> Karti: Yes, it always is
[04:47] <sehe> Karti: nothing becomes simpler once you have it in a cron , c my point?
[04:47] <fernando> someone from Barcelona????
[04:47] <sehe> Karti: it stays at least as complex
[04:47] <spiroo> sehe: Yea, but the problem is to create a cronjob
[04:47] <Karti> :) no issues there!
[04:48] <latino390> kann mir jemand helfen?
[04:48] <anna> kannst du kein englisch?
[04:48] <sehe> sehe: gnome-scheduler, Kcron, crontab -e
[04:48] <sehe> !cron
[04:48] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[04:48] <stdin> !es | fernando
[04:48] <ubotu> fernando: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:48] <latino390> ich mchte gerne die examples lschen!
[04:48] <spiroo> or cron file maybe it is. I am not familiar with cron yet. Would be perfect to llearn, could use it in my webbapps
[04:48] <pag> !de | latino390
[04:48] <ubotu> latino390: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:49] <anna> ich bin selber noob *lol* helfen kann ihc nicht aber meinet wegen bersetzen wenn du kein englisch kannst^
[04:49] <stdin> !en | anna
[04:49] <ubotu> anna: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[04:49] <stdin> :p
[04:49] <Karti> thanks to sehe I now run my backups every two days to a folder on a usb drive. I will later on today be adding that every week it backs up to my network drive
[04:49] <spiroo> please speak english :) Not against germans but I hate the germany language
[04:50] <sehe> spiroo: tar create verbose multi-volume tape-length=685000 file=databackup.tar /DATA
[04:50] <anna> Sorry I just told the other one that I can translate for hin if he doesn't speak englsih
[04:50] <sehe> spiroo: google 'tar multivolume iso' is your friend
[04:50] <spiroo> ah okay. Thats a nice gesture
[04:50] <stdin> there is a very active german channel, he'll be fine
[04:50] <anna> ok
[04:50] <anna> :-)
[04:51] <spiroo> sehe: okay, I want from /dev/sda7 to and iso on the desktop. What would the code be. Sorry but I do not understand how to type
[04:51] <spiroo> *and = an
[04:52] <willempie> stdin: I've added the line, including quotes and spaces, saved it, reopened it and the line was still there. So now I'm gonna test it again. lets see what happenes
[04:52] <stdin> ok
[04:53] <spiroo> sehe: ?
[04:53] <willempie> stdin: well, same error message, and the line is gone again
[04:53] <stdin> hmm
[04:53] <willempie> I've added the exact same line to the config file
[04:53] <spiroo> stdin, do you work on this channel?
[04:53] <willempie> lol
[04:53] <spiroo> I mean, do you get payed for it?
[04:54] <willempie> must be a full time job :D
[04:54] <stdin> I don't get paid, no
[04:54] <willempie> ...I guess he's paid in gratitude
[04:54] <willempie> ...or she.
[04:54] <spiroo> Okay, sorry just wondered, seems like you switch shifts
[04:54] <spiroo> lol
[04:54] <willempie> ...he it is
[04:55] <spiroo> anyway, sehe: how to type to backup from /dev/sda7 to an ISO/tar on the desktop?
[04:55] <willempie> stdin: odd, isn't it?
[04:55] <dewitt> when i go to adept updates, it says i have adept or part of it open, how do i close what i can't see
[04:55] <willempie> dewitt: do you have the terminal open??
[04:55] <spiroo> Close all instances of adept. Terminal, updater, installer everything
[04:55] <dewitt> no
[04:56] <willempie> hit ctrl + esc
[04:56] <spiroo> You have to be sure just one app uses adept
[04:56] <willempie> see if you find any lines that spiro says in there
[04:56] <willempie> ...and terminate them
[04:56] <pag> !aptfix | dewitt
[04:56] <ubotu> dewitt: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:57] <dewitt> adept nofifier
[04:57] <willempie> kill it
[04:57] <willempie> ...with a shotgun
[04:58] <dewitt> ok
[04:58] <dewitt> killed
[04:58] <willempie> now try again
[04:58] <sehe> spiroo: hello back
[04:58] <willempie> and if that doesn't work, try
[04:59] <willempie> !aptfix | dewitt
[04:59] <ubotu> dewitt: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:59] <anna> What's the german channel?
[04:59] <pag> anna, #kubuntu-de ?
[04:59] <sehe> for tar to work /dev/sda7 must be mounted
[04:59] <anna> thx
[04:59] <sehe> issue 'mount' to find out where it is mounted
[05:00] <sehe> spiroo: ^^
[05:00] <stdin> willempie: it sticks here, I put 'vf = "scale"' at the bottom and played a file, then checked gui.conf again and it was there
[05:00] <sehe> spiroo: for tar to work /dev/sda7 must be mounted
[05:00] <sehe> spiroo: issue 'mount' to find out where it is mounted
[05:00] <sehe> spiroo: (and get a better internet link hahahahaha_
[05:00] <willempie> stdin: thx for trying. must have sth to do with the errormessage. Oddly it works fine if I just use the command in terminal
[05:02] <BluesKaj> well stdin I followed the instructions (all except for the xserver-xephyr stuff, which i skipped) and edited the /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop as the last paragraph instructs but no sign of kde4 as an option at the login scrn
[05:03] <stdin> BluesKaj: you need to move the file to /usr/share/xsessions too, I think it says that on the instructions
[05:03] <BluesKaj> yes stdin I did
[05:03] <BluesKaj> copied and pasted it
[05:04] <stdin> BluesKaj: maybe you need to restart kdm too...?
[05:04] <stdin> not sure, but try it
[05:04] <dewitt> guess if did it wrong still saying i can't change anything
[05:05] <sehe> k peeps, dinner time cya around
[05:06] <sehe> spiroo: otoh, split -b 650000000 tarfile.tar
[05:08] <sehe> spiroo: cat x* > tarfile.tar to reassemble | spiroo
[05:09] <willempie> stdin: things get weirder every second :-) When I use terminal and the mplayer test.divx, it works fine. But when I right click on the file and select open with > mplayer, it gives the fatal error
[05:10] <stdin> well that's odd :p
[05:10] <stdin> I tend to use the terminal anyway, so I don't know the gui well
[05:10] <willempie> ok, no problem
[05:10] <willempie> thanks a lot anyway
[05:11] <sehe> spiroo: didn't actually know mplayer *has* a gui :#
[05:11] <sehe> stdin: didn't actually know mplayer *has* a gui :#^^
[05:11] <stdin> sehe: mplayer -gui
[05:11] <sehe> stdin: brillant. learning veryday
[05:11] <stdin> it seems a bit uop-psdn to me
[05:11] <sehe> haha
[05:12] <sehe> cli freak here, admittedly
[05:12] <savetheWorld> stdin: how did you do that?  and what clients does it affect?
[05:13] <stdin> savetheWorld: it's unicode
[05:13] <stdin> I got ubotu to do it for me tho
[05:13] <savetheWorld> heh, cute :)
[05:13] <BluesKaj> stdin, i found the /usr/lib/kde4/bin file and managed to launch plasma at least :)
[05:13] <sehe> spiroo: Karti: even nicer: find .... | afio -o -b 2048 -s325000x -v '!cdrecord .... -'
[05:13] <stdin> savetheWorld:  /msg ubotu @flip message here
[05:14] <savetheWorld> I didnt even know unicode had upside down fonts defined.
[05:14] <stdin> BluesKaj: I had less trouble, but I run gutsy and it had to be backported to feisty
[05:15] <BluesKaj> I see , well I"m trying the exec files
[05:15] <sehe> spiroo__: Karti: even nicer: find .... | afio -o -b 2048 -s325000x -v '!cdrecord .... -'
[05:16] <Karti> sehe: It looks nice! all I need to do now is decode it!
[05:16] <stdin> BluesKaj: there are env vars you export to add the libs and bin dir to your path, then run the normal commands in konsole
[05:17] <sehe> Karti: ok man afio methinks
[05:18] <BluesKaj> i found the deb files and used the install option but i got errors , so I guess it's not for me ... no biggie tho
[05:18] <sehe> spiroo__: Karti: btw http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80776, second hit in google :D
[05:18] <sehe> i don't make all that stff up you know
[05:18] <sehe> i have to run
[05:18] <sehe> cya all
[05:23] <spiroo__> sehe: No of course youre not ;P
[05:29] <willempie> Solved alllll my divx issues
[05:30] <willempie> thanks everyone for helping me out
[05:31] <willempie> stdin: the thing was appearantly: by rightclicking it didn't actually started mplayer, but gmplayer. Changed this: problem solved! Thanks for all the help
[05:31] <stdin> heh, silly gmplayer
[05:47] <zecke1989> kan mir mal schnell wer helfen ich habe eine kleine .exe und mcht gehrne ihren queltext sehen wie mach ich das den am bessten?
[05:48] <stdin> !de | zecke1989
[05:48] <ubotu> zecke1989: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:48] <zecke1989> danke
[05:50] <BluesKaj> stdin, perhaps when kde4 is out of beta and ready for primetime it might work on my setup , but until then I'll stick with 3.5.7 :)
[05:51] <stdin> BluesKaj: well, it's not really meant to be used quite yet anyway
[05:57] <s1r4t> how can you create a shortcut to open a terminal and auto enter a command?
[05:57] <BluesKaj> stdin, will they build an installer like the *deb  files have,  or will be a kubuntu-desktop upgrade ?
[05:58] <stdin> BluesKaj: it won't be part of kubuntu-desktop, but there probably will be a meta-package to install it
[05:59] <BluesKaj> ok right , makes sense
[06:00] <uatever> hey
[06:01] <uatever> I'm having some problems with connection can someone help me please?
[06:01] <uatever> some softwares are having issues
[06:01] <uatever> like kopete and konversation
[06:01] <uatever> and firefox
[06:01] <uatever> ends up working but takes alot of time to connect dunno why
[06:06] <stdin> uatever: try following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:06] <uatever> will do
[06:07] <uatever> its going to take some time to load I guess
[06:13] <jonathan_> is there a restricted drivers section on kubuntu?
[06:15] <stdin> jonathan_: you mean application?
[06:16] <jonathan_> stdin: yeah
[06:17] <stdin> jonathan_: no, not in feisty
[06:17] <jonathan_> stdin: damn... back to gnome then :D
[06:17] <jonathan_> thanks!
[06:17] <stdin> the Edgy instructions work tho
[06:18] <stdin> aka, the manual way
[06:19] <Karti> Hi again, having trouble mounting my network drive in fstab. Did it before my system crashed. I can create and log in using remote places but I want to start the link on boot. Any pointers please?
[06:29] <uatever> hey I'm having troubles connection to msn and irc, as browsing on the web, it ends up working (just not msn) but takes alot of time and trys
[06:29] <uatever> can someone help me?
[06:29] <jonathan_> Hey im getting this problem that says my IO-Apic + Timer does not work or something like that when i try to install any 32 bit distro... whats with that?
[06:30] <nosrednaekim> jonathan_: and it fails?
[06:30] <nosrednaekim> no can give it the boot option "noapic"
[06:30] <leyla> hello
[06:31] <nosrednaekim> *you
[06:31] <leyla> i m leyla
[06:31] <nosrednaekim> hello.....
[06:31] <leyla> i m from turkey
[06:31] <leyla> hello..
[06:31] <leyla> and u
[06:31] <leyla> ?
[06:33] <leyla> is there anybody to talk to me?
[06:33] <leyla> nosrednaekim are u there?
[06:34] <jonathan_> nosrednaekim: i would assume it fails since it wouldnt let me get into the live cd, it said i should boot without the option...i have no idea what its about...
[06:37] <leyla> aziz what is up?
[06:37] <aziz> leyla: i'm fine. are you from turkey?
[06:38] <leyla> yes
[06:38] <leyla> u?
[06:38] <aziz> no, but I have Turkish parents
[06:39] <leyla> then where are u from?
[06:39] <aziz> Austria
[06:40] <leyla> do you speak turkish?
[06:40] <aziz> which part of Turkey are you from?
[06:40] <leyla> istanbul
[06:40] <aziz> yes, but I can't express very complicated sentences...
[06:41] <aziz> great, a lady from Istanbul using Linux. how come? :)
[06:41] <leyla> my uncle has installed it:)
[06:42] <aziz> cool, it's time Linux took over the world :D
[06:42] <leyla> yep
[06:42] <leyla> :)
[06:43] <leyla> old?
[06:43] <aziz> have you had experience with Windows only, or are you new to PCs altogether?
[06:44] <leyla> yep i used windovs
[06:45] <leyla> and im havent got uesd to this
[06:45] <leyla> used
[06:45] <aziz> i'd like to message you in private, but only registered users can do this. unfortunately, i've forgotten my password..
[06:46] <jonathan_> Hey im getting this problem that says my IO-Apic + Timer does not work or something like that when i try to install any 32 bit distro... whats with that?
[06:46] <leyla> how old are you aziz?
[06:47] <aziz> leyla: join the channel #aziz
[07:01] <Sm3bdy> [Help]  I broke my ATI DRIVERS whit Easybuntu for a grafic card (ati radeon 9200 se). I have ubuntu 7.04, please help me fix it. I want the 3d accelerator working!
[07:03] <Materials> I was told that is a seven year trip between california and utah
[07:07] <douby> :)
[07:15] <nosrednaekim> :)
[07:15] <nosrednaekim> he left...
[07:15] <illriginal> Anyone know what I should use to back up my Ubuntu (not KDE)?
[07:16] <nosrednaekim> illriginal: your data or your install?
[07:16] <nosrednaekim> !backup
[07:16] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:16] <illriginal> my whole system basically, i wanna do an update but im scared it's gonna phail.
[07:17] <illriginal> nosrednaekim,  I'm using Simple Back Up... but it does not save the back up...
[07:17] <illriginal> nosrednaekim,  does it take a while to back up a whole system?
[07:17] <nosrednaekim> probably..
[07:18] <illriginal> nosrednaekim,  is there a program that tells you it's process/percentage when it backs up the files?
[07:18] <nosrednaekim> IDK... foolw those links
[07:18] <nosrednaekim> *follow
[07:20] <arun> um i just compressed a mp4 video file to tar.gz
[07:21] <arun> it was originally 721MB. it was compressed to 1.2MB.
[07:21] <arun> how can that be?
[07:21] <steveire> arun:
[07:21] <steveire> decompress and see if it's really there.
[07:21] <arun> steveire: its there
[07:21] <Assid> arun:  wayyy too much compression
[07:21] <Assid> not really possible
[07:21] <steveire> arun: Ona another computer?
[07:22] <arun> Assid: i'm not kidding, i can show you a screenshot of the file sizes
[07:22] <Assid> mp4  is already a compressed format
[07:22] <Assid> arun: is the video sensitive material ?
[07:22] <arun> sensitive?
[07:22] <Assid> yeah.. like do you have a problem sharing it?
[07:22] <Assid> cause this .. i gotta see
[07:23] <arun> ahhh
[07:23] <Assid> do you know if thats true.. 1/2 the bandwith used on the internet would just free up
[07:23] <arun> i just closed konqueror and opened it again
[07:23] <arun> now it shows 719mb
[07:23] <arun> i was a bit freaked out
[07:23] <ubunturos> heh!
[07:23] <Assid> hehe
[07:23] <arun> about to email the file to my friend hahaha
[07:23] <Assid> 719mb ???
[07:23] <Assid> you crazy
[07:23] <arun> no
[07:23] <ubunturos> haha - referesh konqueror
[07:23] <arun> when i thought it was 1.2mb
[07:23] <arun> i was like holy crap i can email this movie
[07:23] <ubunturos> arun: that would have been the temporary status
[07:23] <arun> weird
[07:24] <arun> i refreshed it to check.. it didnt change
[07:24] <Assid> yeah thats just the initial headers and decompression routines and stuff mostly
[07:24] <arun> i closed it and opened it, and then it was 719
[07:24] <ubunturos> oh
[07:25] <arun> ok, i need to burn a 721.8mb file to a cd (or two cds)
[07:25] <arun> how do i do it?
[07:26] <arun> how do i split the file
[07:26] <arun> is there an app that can do this?
[07:26] <ubunturos> arun: if you have K3b - if it is a video file
[07:27] <arun> ubunturos: it's a mp4 video file
[07:27] <ubunturos> arun: k3b should do burn it without problems. However, you should test it on a CD-RW .. I guess
[07:27] <arun> ok..
[07:27] <arun> ubunturos: what would be the procedure? is there some setting i need to enable?
[07:28] <ubunturos> arun: not sure. may be you would have to find out, if there are
[07:28] <arun> k3b will split the file automatically?
[07:29] <ubunturos> arun: may be it won't. Not sure though
[07:29] <arun> ok
[07:30] <ubunturos> there might be indications in color - don't let it go red
[07:31] <arun> never mind man
[07:31] <arun> what i'm saying is, if the file size is more than 700MB, will the extra data get split to the next cd
[07:31] <arun> it's ok, i'll find something else
[07:32] <arun> thanks though
[07:32] <ubunturos> :)
[07:44] <spiroo> hello folks :D
[07:45] <spiroo> does nayone need help?
[07:45] <nosrednaekim> help help!! My kubuntu erased the devil of my computer! and i'm a devil worshipper!
[07:45] <robotgeek> nosrednaekim: no it did not!
[07:45] <spiroo> haha :D
[07:46] <spiroo> btw, anyone could recommend a better backup tool then Keep?
[07:47] <llutz> spiroo: tar
[07:47] <spiroo> *sigh
[07:47] <spiroo> a GUI tool to backup files
[07:47] <Biovore> amanda  <-- really ment for big back up jobs..
[07:48] <Biovore> GUI backup never works right..
[07:48] <stoned> hi
[07:48] <stoned> I had problems with amd64 etch debian, it would crash and was unstable.  However kubuntu 7.04 amd64 is fairly stable for me
[07:48] <stoned> I am wondering why?
[07:48] <robotgeek> spiroo: take a look at rdiff-backup , once you set it up, it should be fine.
[07:48] <robotgeek> i just use rsync
[07:48] <Biovore> ^ same here.. :-)
[07:49] <llutz> rsync gui= grsync
[07:49] <spiroo> rdiff-backup, how to do then?
[07:49] <spiroo> Keep uses rdiff-bckup btw :P
[07:50] <jhutchins> stoned: 64bit is pretty new ground, not everything meshes together smoothly yet.
[07:50] <stoned> but i like speed
[07:50] <stoned> (non narcotic)
[07:50] <robotgeek> oh, keep uses rdiff-backup
[07:50] <jhutchins> stoned: kubuntu tends to have more and newer patches, so it tends to have some things fixed that debian doesn't.
[07:50] <robotgeek> spiroo: http://wiki.rdiff-backup.org/wiki/index.php/ContribScripts
[07:50] <stoned> but etch is supposed to be stable eh
[07:51] <jhutchins> stoned: btw, speed is the opposite of narcotic.
[07:52] <stoned> meth is a narcotic
[07:52] <stoned> anyway
[07:52] <stoned> amd64 is superfast for me, but there is only one problem
[07:52] <stoned> w32codecs
[07:52] <stoned> I got flash/java figured out
[07:52] <spiroo> congrats then
[07:52] <stoned> if i can get w32codecs somehow on amd64 tht would solve my issues
[07:53] <stoned> I have w64 codecs, but there are some codecs which are 32bit only
[07:53] <stoned> intel indeo 5 etc. is one of them
[07:53] <stoned> sorry for the abundant use of ENTER
[07:53] <jhutchins> stoned: No, meth is a stimulant, not a narcotic.
[07:54] <stoned> drugs are called narcotics
[07:54] <stoned> it can be a depressent or a stimulant
[07:54] <jhutchins> No, a narcotic is something that causes relaxation, eases pain, and induces sleep.
[07:54] <stoned> I'll have to look this up
[07:55] <jhutchins> narcosis.
[07:55] <stoned> In U.S.legal context, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and their semi-synthetic or fully synthetic substitutes "as well as cocaine and coca leaves," which although classified as "narcotics" in the U.S. Controlled Substances Act (CSA), are chemically not narcotics. Contrary to popular belief, marijuana is not a narcotic.[4] 
[07:55] <stoned> coke is a stimulant
[07:55] <stoned> I'm just going by what little I know :)
[07:55] <jhutchins> Many people, particularly in law enforcement, are ignorant of the word's meaning and use it broadly to describe abused drugs.
[07:56] <stoned> jhutchins: yes, that is the meaning I inteded
[07:56] <stoned> the general broader temr
[07:56] <jhutchins> cocaine is a stimulant, although classified with heroin as a narcotic by U.S. Law, chemically it's not.
[07:56] <stoned> yup
[07:56] <jhutchins> stoned: The ignorant, incorrect term.
[07:56] <stoned> seems like you are correct
[07:56] <jhutchins> Sorry, pet peve.
[07:56] <stoned> well im sorry i fi seem ignorant to you
[07:56] <jhutchins> Narcotics, narcosis, narcolepsy - all about sleep.
[07:57] <stoned> god, what an a-hole
[07:57] <jhutchins> People should learn to use their language, not just repeat what they've heard.
[07:57] <sehe_> this is kubuntu channel, though. not linguistics :D
[07:58] <sehe_> hehe
[07:58] <stoned> whatever, I like to let people talk, who like to talk, and like being correct at the expense of others
[07:59] <stoned> jhutchins's ego infalted by .02 psi
[07:59] <stoned> :)
[07:59] <jhutchins> Woohoo!
[07:59] <sehe_> i wouldnt bet on it, stoned
[07:59] <stoned> anywa...
[07:59] <jhutchins> It just bugs me because cops mis-use the word all the time.  It's their job and they don't even know what the word means.
[07:59] <stoned> dude
[08:00] <stoned> get over it
[08:00] <jhutchins> Jeah.
[08:00] <stoned> anyway, I like amd64 cuz its speedy
[08:00] <sehe_> jhutchins: then stay away from cops.
[08:00] <sehe_> jhutchins: worx for me
[08:00] <jhutchins> sehe_: ...particularly ones worried about "narcotics".
[08:01] <jhutchins> stoned: You running single- or multi-core?
[08:01] <Materials> :)
[08:01] <Materials> he left
[08:02] <stoned> 3.17GHz core 2 duo E6300
[08:02] <stoned> at 3500mhz my cpu is not stable under amd64
[08:02] <stoned> i think its the memory
[08:02] <stoned> i only have ddr2 667mhz
[08:02] <stoned> but runs beautifully under 32bit
[08:03] <stoned> at 3.5ghz. lots of enter keys
[08:03] <Materials> i hate you just a little bit!
[08:03] <stoned> thats ok
[08:04] <stoned> just get some good education, then get a good job and you can afford a core 2 as well
[08:04] <stoned> :)
[08:04] <stoned> oooohhh, burn!
[08:04] <stoned> :)
[08:04] <fandeholly> hi everyone, i have issues booting my laptop and i was hoping someone could help me. The system is stopping when trying to fsck the file systems and do nothing
[08:04] <sehe_> fandeholly: can you boot anything else besides linux?
[08:04] <jhutchins> fandeholly: Possibly one of the filesystems is not defined correctly.
[08:05] <fandeholly> i can boot a live cd
[08:05] <sehe_> fandeholly: ok not off the harddisk then
[08:05] <sehe_> fandeholly: can you do a drive check from a livecd (rule out that there is a physical problem)
[08:05] <fandeholly> i can pass the fsck when booting in recovery mode
[08:05] <sehe_> fandeholly: you can ignore that, if you e.g. you just installed it from a live cd
[08:06] <sehe_> fandeholly: ok that clears something up
[08:06] <fandeholly> but in recovery mode, the system stops on setting up console font and keymap
[08:07] <sehe_> fandeholly: strange
[08:07] <fandeholly> yes
[08:07] <sehe_> fandeholly: did the system ever boot (except from livecd)?
[08:07] <fandeholly> yes
[08:07] <sehe_> fandeholly: good, what change could have caused the problem?
[08:07] <sehe_> fandeholly: (did you install any specific pacjkages/hardware in the meantime)
[08:08] <fandeholly> i don't think so
[08:08] <sehe_> fandeholly: mmm bit inconclusive
[08:08] <fandeholly> i mean, maybe an updated package
[08:08] <sehe_> fandeholly: did you setup ssh on your box (is there anyway to get remote access to it?)
[08:09] <sehe_> fandeholly: i'm trying to get at the output of dmesg, but you'll have to get a shell in order to get that
[08:09] <sehe_> fandeholly: updates should be fine
[08:09] <fandeholly> how do i get a shell?
[08:10] <sehe_> fandeholly: normally, just by logging in. perhaps a bit problematic now.
[08:10] <stuv> hi there
[08:10] <sehe_> fandeholly: if you can ssh in, you could get a shell, even though the virtual consoles won't let you login yet (long shot)
[08:10] <stuv> does anybody have a link for the mce dvd download
[08:10] <fandeholly> wel, i'm not sure it's the best time to setup ssh
[08:11] <sehe_> fandeholly: no it sure isn't. that's why i asked whether you had it :)
[08:11] <fandeholly> maybe from live cd?
[08:11] <sehe_> fandeholly: good, then it should be back to live-cd
[08:11] <sehe_> fandeholly: boot from live-cd, and see whether you can get some info from
[08:11] <sehe_> fandeholly: ... the /var/log/* dir on your harddrive install
[08:12] <fandeholly> how do i access my harddrive?
[08:12] <sehe_> you should be able to just mount the partition. :)
[08:13] <sehe_> fandeholly: in kde, I use 'kdesu kdf', dunno whether kdf exists in live cd
[08:14] <sehe_> fandeholly: perhaps it is already detected and shown in media:/
[08:14] <sehe_> fandeholly: i take it you are not able to try this online?
[08:14] <fandeholly> what do you mean try this online?
[08:14] <sehe_> fandeholly: or are you running IRC off the live-cd now?
[08:15] <sehe_> fand^^
[08:15] <sehe_> fandeholly:  ^^
[08:15] <nn> i installed beryl , but why doesnt it work when i do the shortcuts?
[08:15] <fandeholly> i'm using IRC on a desktop computer, not the laptop i have issues with
[08:15] <robotgeek> i have a problem with my sound, the master does not turn off the other center and surround speakers
[08:15] <sehe_> nn: run beryl-settings to enable modules and configure shortcuts. make sure you are running beryl (not a fallback wm)
[08:16] <sehe_> fandeholly: good: a 2nd pc helps :)
[08:16] <crimsun> robotgeek: that's a feature.
[08:16] <sehe_> fandeholly: so can you try and (1) boot livecd (2) mount hdd partition (3) check /var/log/*?
[08:16] <robotgeek> crimsun: do i need to create a softvol or something similiar?
[08:16] <fandeholly> thank god i have 2 computers indeed
[08:16] <crimsun> robotgeek: generally, no.  Use the other controls.
[08:16] <sehe_> nn: beryl-manager allows a fallback wm
[08:16] <robotgeek> crimsun: i would really like to mute with a single button
[08:17] <crimsun> robotgeek: if it's reproducible on current gutsy, file a bug, otherwise it's moot.
[08:17] <fandeholly> ok livecd is active
[08:17] <sehe_> fandeholly:  media:/ is the easiest option
[08:17] <robotgeek> crimsun: oh okay, i'm still on feisty. i guess i can try out a live cd
[08:17] <sehe_> fandeholly: konqueror -> media:/
[08:18] <sehe_> fandeholly: tell me if the drive is shown - or if you have problems
[08:19] <sehe_> fandeholly: you could use 'blkid' from a konsole to list all parts on all drives
[08:19] <fandeholly> did i tell you i only had ubuntu livecd?
[08:19] <sehe_> fandeholly: arggg nooo
[08:19] <robotgeek> crimsun: thanks for the tip
[08:19] <sehe_> fandeholly: in gnome i'd rather help you from the command line
[08:20] <sehe_> fandeholly: can you open a terminall session?
[08:20] <fandeholly> yes
[08:20] <fandeholly> what should i use?
[08:20] <runlevelten> #ubuntu, #gnome
[08:20] <sehe_> fandeholly:  good, do a 'mount' or 'df' to see whether the HDD may already be mounted sumwhere
[08:21] <nn> how do you make sure beryl is running. i already enabled all the settings in the manager
[08:21] <sehe_> nn: check the menu in beryl-manager (tray icon) to see what windowmanager is selected
[08:22] <fandeholly> df shows no disk, ls /dev shows sda1, sda2 and sda5
[08:22] <sehe_> fandeholly: thx, can you do 'blkid' to identify your root pratition (so, probably the one that is ext3)
[08:23] <sehe_> fandeholly: i hope you have only 1 linux install, and have used somewhat default partition layout?
[08:23] <sehe_> fandeholly: otherwise, i'm going expect you to know which partition is your kubuntu root partition :D:D:
[08:24] <fandeholly> blkid returns nothing
[08:24] <sehe_> fandeholly:  fun. ok, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[10:24] (unperson/#kubuntu) Man_U: Basically, you can either make the first script switch to the correct directory, or you can just make the second script use a absolute file name.
[10:24] <unperson> Man_U: I'm talking about doing the latter.
[10:24] <sehe_> rubicon: i don't think it matters much but it makes sense it should just be the routers box
[10:25] <sehe_> rubicon: (for dns)
[10:25] <sehe_> rubicon: the default gateway should be the same (WLAN-Router-IP) (UNLESS you run e.g. Kerio or some other explicit NAT/routing/gfirewall sofwtare on the WinXP box)
[10:26] <sehe_> rubicon: can you paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? (!pastebin | rubicon)
[10:26] <sehe_> !pastebin | rubicon
[10:26] <ubotu> rubicon: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:27] <Man_U> unperson: i did it as you said but now tehre are more errrors perhaps because of librarys
[10:27] <spiroo> !xserver-xorg
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <spiroo> !setup resolution
[10:27] <jhutchins> spiroo: Was there something in particular you wanted to know about X?
[10:28] <spiroo> yes
[10:28] <jhutchins> !fixres | spiroo
[10:28] <ubotu> spiroo: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:28] <sacha_> does it exist a german kubuntu channel?
[10:28] <spiroo> how to go to the setup
[10:28] <spiroo> thank you.
[10:28] <sehe_> sacha: yes
[10:28] <jhutchins> sacha_: #kubuntu-de
[10:28] <sehe_> !german
[10:28] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:28] <sacha_> thx
[10:29] <sehe_> rubicon: are you still persuing this? I'm really ready to go to bed :)
[10:29] <unperson> Man_U: Well, I don't know if I can help with that.  But you want to past the output in the paste bin and send me a link?
[10:29] <spiroo> or no, that was wrong. I wanna go to dbkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. It is something like that
[10:29] <unperson> Man_U: I can at least tell you whether I understand what's going on.
[10:29] <sehe_> rubicon: so long
[10:29] <spiroo> !dbkg-reconfigure
[10:29] <Man_U> unperson: i've a problem my mouse is frozen^^
[10:29] <rubicon> nah,
[10:29] <sehe_> again nn everybody
[10:29] <rubicon> cant c&p
[10:29] <sehe_> rubicon:
[10:29] <sehe_> k np
[10:30] <sehe_> rubicon: really?
[10:30] <Man_U> uni think its becasue of the game start and which failed
[10:30] <sehe_> rubicon: used ifconfig instead?
[10:30] <rubicon> but i recognized something: despite of the config i made, there are still the old DNS and GAteway-entries at eth0.... wil try this
[10:30] <spiroo> jhutchins?
[10:30] <sehe_> rubicon: output of 'sudo ifconfig' is ok too
[10:30] <jhutchins> YEs?
[10:30] <sehe_> rubicon: well good luck with that, i'm off to bed
[10:31] <sehe_> rubicon: Gute Nacht!
[10:31] <rubicon> night. will try my luck
[10:31] <unperson> Man_U: I see.
[10:31] <spiroo> Wanna change like this, but not sure about the command line: dbkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:31] <jhutchins> Ah, I seethe question...
[10:31] <jhutchins> dpkg...
[10:31] <unperson> Man_U: In that case you're probably outside anything I can help with.
[10:31] <Man_U> unis there a way to get the mouse working without resetting x?
[10:31] <unperson> Man_U: And actually I have to go.  Good luck with it.
[10:31] <spiroo> lol, thanks jhutchins
[10:31] <Man_U> unperson:
[10:32] <unperson> Man_U: I don't know how to get the mouse working again without resetting X.
[10:32] <ardchoille> Man_U: Restarting xorg is quite easy and doesn't require a reboot.
[10:33] <spiroo> wtf, what happened with nvidia in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:33] <jhutchins> !xconfig | spiroo
[10:33] <ubotu> spiroo: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[10:33] <spiroo> thank you, but I got another problem bot
[10:33] <jhutchins> spiroo: Thats what you asked for, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:33] <kaminix> When using trickle I get trickle: "Could not reach trickled, working independently: No such file or directory", why?
[10:34] <kaminix> trickled
[10:34] <jhutchins> !info trickle
[10:34] <ubotu> trickle: user-space bandwidth shaper. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.07-4 (feisty), package size 34 kB, installed size 164 kB
[10:34] <kaminix> ?
[10:34] <spiroo> I know, but I got a problem with it. The third step i think when select driver. The nVidia is not there as it always has been
[10:34] <jhutchins> kaminix: probably need to start a daemon or something.  Are there docs?
[10:35] <ardchoille> spiroo: Did you install the nvidia driver? or accidentally uninstall it?
[10:35] <kaminix> jhutchins: Yeah, but they didn't mention the daemon. Started it now... we'll se how it goes.
[10:35] <jhutchins> spiroo: New kernel maybe?
[10:35] <ardchoille> kaminix: Many times an app with a "d" on the end of its name means it's a daemon
[10:35] <spiroo> I have not installed it and not unistaleld it. Has never been a problem, I jsut installed a clean copy. Not sure why it is not there now
[10:36] <kaminix> ardchoille: I know, started it now.
[10:36] <spiroo> nope, no new kernel
[10:36] <spiroo> not that I know about anyway
[10:36] <kaminix> We'll see how this goes. :)
[10:36] <ardchoille> spiroo: You need to install the nvidia driver for it to appear in xorg.conf
[10:36] <ardchoille> *xorg.conf config
[10:37] <spiroo> ardchoile, I have never needed to do that before after a clean reinstall
[10:38] <ardchoille> spiroo: Either you did it or someone else did it for you, but you need to do it after a cleaninstall of kubuntu, it won't just install itself.
[10:39] <spiroo> hmm okay, maybe have to upgrade all packages
[10:39] <ardchoille> spiroo: the nv (non 3d) driver will get installed, but the nvidia driver (3d accel) won't
[10:40] <spiroo> okay, I update kernel now, I guess that will fix the problem
[10:42] <kaminix> Even with trickled started it won't limit Krusaders netborn abilities. :(
[10:43] <petro> If I have an old laptop with 32mb of ram is there a version of ubuntu I can load on it that will function?
[10:43] <petro> I basically want to use it as a mp3 player that will acess my network.
[10:43] <ardchoille> petro: You might try xubuntu.. if that fails try using a light window manager like fluxbox or window maker
[10:44] <ardchoille> petro: But I'm not sure 32mb ram will work well
[10:45] <petro> yea thats all I got though, thanks
[10:45] <ardchoille> petro: If those fail, you might look into damn small linux
[10:46] <petro> ok, damns small linux
[10:46] <petro> thanks
[10:46] <Ahmuck> !mp3
[10:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:48] <speaker219> Can somebody help me? If I don't boot into a GUI, i get the terminal, you know, calssic white-on-black stuff. I notced that if i boot into "recovery mode" the font is different and more easily readable. Is there a command or something to do this any time? Thanks.
[10:49] <flokuehn1> to boot any time to recovery mode?
[10:50] <kaminix> Is there a simple one-line-in-cmd way to just limit my global upload over ra0 to 80KB/s?
[10:51] <waylandbill> kaminix: if it's just for a single app, you can use trickle.
[10:52] <kaminix> waylandbill: Trickle doesn't work when I use it. Used it on Krusader and KFTPGrabber. Anyway, it'd be nice to have it globally so I won't have to stop my torrent when using FTP
[10:55] <waylandbill> kaminix: ktorrent has u/l & d/l limits.
[10:56] <spiroo> hi
[10:56] <spiroo> adept does not work anymore after I tried to update
[10:56] <spiroo> It says another process using adept. but none is.
[10:56] <spiroo> I think
[10:56] <waylandbill> spiroo, does it give an error about a lock?
[10:56] <waylandbill> !adeptfix
[10:56] <spiroo> yes
[10:56] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:56] <kaminix> waylandbill: Yeah, but they only work within KTorrent, so if I want to use Internet with more than one app I will have to pause them anyway.
[10:57] <spiroo> thanks
[11:02] <spiroo__> [22:59]  <spiroo> waylandbill, what does that line btw exactly?
[11:02] <spiroo__> [23:00]  <spiroo> and is the development team trying to fix that problem with adept?
[11:02] <fandeholly> hmm, i think my system hang when trying to mount local file systems
[11:03] <kaminix> Anyone have a good simple net shaper?
[11:04] <Ahmuck> kaminix: you have an extra box ?
[11:04] <spiroo__> [22:59]  <spiroo> waylandbill, what does that line btw exactly?
[11:04] <spiroo__> [23:00]  <spiroo> and is the development team trying to fix that problem with adept?
[11:05] <kaminix> Ahmuck: Nope, modem/router, 4 computers running.
[11:06] <Assid> hrmm anyone here played with 7zip?
[11:06] <kaminix> Assid: What do you mean play?
[11:07] <Assid> you know use it.. seen the difference between 7z and bzip2 maybe ?
[11:08] <kaminix> Just (de)compressing can be done using Ark or some other compression manager thingie. Not any different from using zip, tar etc.
[11:10] <Assid> well i was referring for the size/compression/time/performance
[11:10] <kaminix> Ah, dunno anything about it. Depends on the type of file.
[11:11] <Assid> hrmm
[11:11] <konrad> hmmmmm?
[11:11] <Assid> guess i will play with it sometime later
[11:11] <maverick> kaminix: worked with
[11:12] <kaminix> maverWhat?
[11:12] <kaminix> Hmm....
[11:12] <konrad> rick??
[11:12] <konrad> mmm
[11:12] <kaminix> [23:09]  <-- maverick has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[11:12] <konrad> ehm
[11:13] <Karti> Hi all, anyone give me a bit of advice for etc/fstab when I want to link to my networked drive. I had the answer but lost it with my last build, I need the networked drive, I have smbfs and ntfs-3g installed. Cheers
[11:15] <kaminix> Anyone have a good simple net shaper?
[11:15] <Biovore> kaminix: I don't think there are any simple net shapers..
[11:16] <kaminix> How hard can it be just to limit your connection? :s
[11:17] <Biovore> How you want to limit the connections?
[11:18] <Biovore> for simple stuff you might just able to use the -j limit thing in iptables..
[11:18] <Biovore> for more complex things you might want to setup a hole QOS scheme
[11:19] <kaminix> I just want to keep everything as it is now, except add an upload limit of 80 KB/s
[11:19] <stoned> Biovore: my main man, whats up buddy
[11:20] <Biovore> kaminix: rate limit everything upstream?
[11:20] <stoned> wonder shaper
[11:20] <stoned> ?
[11:20] <stoned> something like that anyway
[11:20] <kaminix> Biovore: Yeah, like now, except a global upload limit of 80 KB/s
[11:20] <stoned> http://lartc.org/wondershaper/
[11:20] <stoned> check this
[11:21] <kaminix> stoned: What about this? p   wondershaper                                                              - Easy to use traffic shaping script
[11:21] <Biovore> http://lartc.org/howto/  <-- Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO
[11:21] <stoned> thats not it?
[11:22] <kaminix> stoned: It's not?
[11:22] <kaminix> Biovore: But I want it simple! :p
[11:22] <Biovore> When I have done that kind of stuff.. I used QOS..
[11:22] <Biovore> sorry.. I don't do simple ..
[11:22] <NickPresta> wow. I just saw Kuroo and that is definitely what I think a distribution like *buntu should have.
[11:23] <Vge> hi, what would be the simplest way to debug why X dont success on loadin, but returns into kdm?
[11:23] <Biovore> kuroo is for emerge
[11:23] <NickPresta> Biovore, I know. I'm saying something like it should be made for *buntu and APT
[11:23] <ardchoille> Vge: ~/.xsession-errors  ?
[11:25] <stoned> oh
[11:25] <stoned> well I knew what it was called
[11:25] <stoned> i probably got you the wrong website eh
[11:25] <stoned> :)
[11:25] <stoned> and you don't learn nothing
[11:25] <Vge> ardchoille: seems to be empty after i checked from shell after failed logon
[11:25] <ardchoille> Biovore: I agree, especially since the cli way is faster
[11:26] <Biovore> Well I grew up on CLI..
[11:26] <Biovore> I use the gui to run CLI terminals.. thats it..
[11:26] <ardchoille> Vge: What, if any, changes have you recently made to kde?
[11:26] <Biovore> In the time it takes adept to come up.. I can refresh my apt list and install and updates..
[11:26] <ardchoille> Biovore: exactly
[11:26] <NickPresta> Biovore, I agree with you. I use the CLI when I can and avoid a GUI if I can. However, for *buntu to be "extremely user friendly", a frontend should be developed that works easily and is informative and intuitive.
[11:27] <Vge> nothing to kde, just "little partition editing" aka, making a new partition and moving existing data
[11:27] <Wiggles> I can't seem to get my wireless card working.
[11:27] <ardchoille> Vge: Did you perhaps move someting that kde needs in order to run?
[11:27] <Biovore> NickPresta: true..  But there needs be a overhaul of whats underneather for that to work well..
[11:28] <Wiggles> Is there anywhere that i can download drivers or something?
[11:28] <NickPresta> Biovore, I agree.
[11:28] <ardchoille> Wiggles: drivers for what?
[11:28] <Biovore> Wiggles: most of the stuff that supported.. is included in the kernel allready..
[11:28] <Wiggles> ardchoille, a wireless card
[11:28] <Biovore> ndiswrapper?
[11:29] <ardchoille> !wireless
[11:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:29] <Vge> ardchoille: i didint delete any partitions if thats what your asking
[11:29] <Wiggles> Biovore, it works with Vista, but not Kubuntu
[11:29] <kaminix> alex@Hasokon:~/Desktop/wondershaper-1.1a$ sudo sh wshaper
[11:29] <kaminix> Illegal "rate"
[11:29] <kaminix> Illegal "rate"
[11:29] <kaminix> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[11:29] <kaminix> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[11:29] <ardchoille> Vge: Did you move $HOME or ~/.kde ?
[11:29] <kaminix> What do I do with that?
[11:31] <Vge> ardchoille: home seems to work fine (atleast the variable points to correct location)
[11:32] <cristi> Cristi_high
[11:32] <kaminix> Someone! wondershaper says illegal rate and RTNETLINK answers illegal argument!
[11:33] <Vge> ardchoille: atleast in /etc/fstab the partitions are in order
[11:34] <ardchoille> Vge: Well, something seems to have changed regarding kde..
[11:35] <cristi> hey uhm, i can't get the resolution biger than 800x600 can someone help me..?
[11:35] <NickPresta> !resolution | cristi
[11:35] <ubotu> cristi: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:36] <ardchoille> Vge: Go to ctrl+alt+f1 and do: ls -la .{ICE,X}authority    <-- see who owns those files
[11:37] <Wiggles> How can I find out what wireless card I have?
[11:38] <Vge> me
[11:38] <ardchoille> Vge: Ok, good.
[11:38] <Vge> maybe xorg is out of order
[11:38] <Vge> ?
[11:38] <ardchoille> Vge: I had you do that because using sudo with gui apps can change the ownership of one or both of those files to root, preventing you from logging in
[11:39] <ardchoille> Vge: IF xorg were hosed, you wouldn't get the kdm login screen (x is indeed running at that screen.
[11:39] <Vge> true
[11:39] <ardchoille> I'm thinking kde can't find some files it needs.
[11:40] <Vge> hmm. where should i find kde startlogs?
[11:40] <Vge> var/logs?
[11:40] <ardchoille> But, the only problem I've ever had in kubuntu is chaning the menu icon, so I don't know how to troubleshoot lots of problems.
[11:41] <ardchoille> Vge: I would look in /var/log/*  yes
[11:41] <level1> Hi, ifconfig does not return the correct ip address for my computer, because I am behind a router.  Is there another way to find out my ip?
[11:41] <ardchoille> level1: http://www.whatismyipaddress.com  ?
[11:42] <kaminix> 8 kilobit = 8 KB?
[11:42] <ardchoille> bit ~= byte
[11:42] <ardchoille> !=
[11:44] <kaminix> Oh, I mean 8 kilobit = 1 KB?
[11:44] <ardchoille> That sounds reasonable
[11:46] <Firekill> hi
[11:46] <Firekill> i need help with install vmware server
[11:47] <ociel> necesito ayuda
[11:48] <kaminix> Then this should practically set my downspeed to unlimited and upspeed to 100?
[11:48] <kaminix> alex@Hasokon:~/Desktop/wondershaper-1.0$ sudo wondershaper ra0 100000 800
[11:48] <ardchoille> !es | ociel
[11:48] <ubotu> ociel: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:49] <kaminix> Hrm... no matter how much I change it the upload stays around 60KBps
[11:49] <florent_g> ola:)
[11:50] <cristi> can someone help me with the compiz fusion intallation?
[11:50] <ardchoille> !compiz
[11:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:55] <kaminix> I suppose it's not normal for wondershaper to give fluctuating connections?
[11:56] <Biovore> no all rate limiting will give fluxuating rates
[11:56] <kaminix> KTorrent did 80 constantly when I limited it to 80 :(
[11:58] <kaminix> How do I turn shaping off?
[11:58] <kaminix> Just set it unreasonably high?
[11:59] <btsai> usually 0 is off
[11:59] <kaminix> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[11:59] <btsai> oo this is wondershaper
[11:59] <btsai> not within bittorrent XD
[12:00] <btsai> sorry, no idea then
[12:00] <Biovore> yeah.. Bittorrents uses UDP..  most rate limiting in done on TCP..
[12:00] <Biovore> you'll have to use QOS to limit that probably..
[12:01] <Biovore> with a protocal match mark
[12:02] <kaminix>        wondershaper clear [ interface ] 
[12:02] <kaminix>               Removes all traffic shaping from that interface
[12:02] <kaminix> There :)
[12:02] <kaminix> Sounds hard :s
[12:05] <Vge> ardchoille: "error in locking autority file /home/me/.Xauthority" Rings any bells?
[12:07] <ardchoille> Vge: yes, who owns that file and what are its perms?
[12:07] <ardchoille> Vge: Been using sudo with gui apps?
[12:07] <BetuBuntu> hi everyone
[12:09] <Vge> ardchoille: no, iw not been using gui tools with sudo, ill check the premissions
[12:09] <kondeDrakul> anyone use modem usb SPEEDSTREAM?
[12:10] <aaron> raise your hand if you use torrents....
[12:10] <Vge> _()/
[12:10] <ardchoille> lol
[12:11] <aaron> lol. nice.
[12:12] <aaron> if i use a windows torrent client. i can download things at lets say, 50kb per second. I can load the same torrent into my linux machine, using ktorrent, or utorrent(wine) or in azureus and get 4 or 5k per second.
[12:12] <jhutchins> aaron: Interesting.
[12:12] <jhutchins> aaron: what about bittorrent?
[12:12] <guhhh> anyone knows a good article explaining how postfix amavis, clamavis and spamassassin integration works?
[12:12] <aaron> i don't think it has anything to do iwth the client.
[12:13] <aaron> pompel: www.getautomatix.com
[12:13] <ardchoille> !automatix | pompel
[12:13] <ubotu> pompel: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[12:14] <ardchoille> aaron: Please don't recommend automatix here.
[12:14] <aaron> ok
[12:14] <trekdann1> no automatix god damit
[12:14] <pompel> oh...ok...no automatix..
[12:14] <trekdann1> just do "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[12:14] <vip3rousmango> stay away!
[12:14] <aaron> pompel: the software that I am not allowed to mention has worked well for ME. and MY systems that I've got running ubuntu. which is currently 4.
[12:14] <trekdann1> in a console
[12:15] <ardchoille> !worksforme
[12:15] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[12:15] <jhutchins> aaron: Too many people have come here with help for systems that got trashed by it.
[12:15] <ubuntu__> I think I downloaded Kubuntu 7.10 Tribe 4. How do I check? Why isn't KDE 4 included with this tribe?
[12:15] <trekdann1> aaron: lol "the software who cannot be named"
[12:15] <ardchoille> ubuntu__: lsb_release -a
[12:16] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: This is kubuntu support, for testing please see #ubuntu+1
[12:16] <ubuntu__> hum, says 7.10
[12:16] <ubuntu__> should it be #kubuntu+1 in my case?
[12:16] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: Nope, combined.
[12:16] <ubuntu__> ok
[12:16] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: Remember, you are testing, do not expect the software to work.
[12:17] <ardchoille> jhutchins: Good point
[12:17] <jhutchins> I mean, it _might_, just don't expect it to!
[12:17] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I'm afraid there are  unofficial ,but kubuntu friendly sites that recomend automatix... they mean well but are terribly misguided
[12:17] <trekdann1> hmm my friend installed his first ubuntu today... he did install automatix .. and it broke ofc
[12:17] <aaron> google firefox browser sync needs some work..
[12:17] <ubuntu__> Everything works so far. and I don't mind some broken thing. :D
[12:18] <trekdann1> for real
[12:18] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: The point in running it though is to find the broken things so that they can be fixed.
[12:19] <ubuntu__> I can bug submit can't I? :D
[12:19] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: You are expected to.
[12:19] <ardchoille> ubuntu__: Of course :)
[12:19] <ubuntu__> "Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc " I don't know the first part, but I can bug report.
[12:20] <trekdann1> hmm never hurt to try i suppose
[12:20] <ubuntu__> yea, i have a box on my network i backed up the measly 5 gigs of important things
[12:21] <pompel> trekdann1: works like a charm...thank you :)
[12:21] <trekdann1> pompel: and no automatix! yeah!! :P
[12:22] <cristi> i need help with installing flash player ... i have an error
[12:22] <ardchoille> pompel: That was the "proper" way to do it ;)
[12:22] <ubuntu__> (whats wrong with automatix, i never used it but i know its some like auto installer for common packages?)
[12:23] <ardchoille> ubuntu__:  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[12:23] <trekdann1> cristi: are you using the official adobe installer?
[12:23] <trekdann1> capiira: or repo?
[12:23] <Karti> Hi,all - or should I say my favourite script helpers ;)
[12:24] <kaminix> If I resample (I think it's called? recompressing a 320kbps mp3 to 196kbps), will it be any good or will it be the same as compressing it to ogg?
[12:24] <pompel> k...i'm off again...thanks again for the help
[12:24] <capiira> ?
[12:24] <ardchoille> capiira: I think he got bit by tab completion, lol
[12:24] <capiira> hehe
[12:24] <Vge> ardchoille: i got the problem, the home partition was too full to open, i resized the parition to be too little for X to start
[12:25] <trekdann1> capiira: sorry woops
[12:25] <trekdann1> kaminix: re-coding is generally not worth it IIRC
[12:25] <ardchoille> Vge: That would be a kde problem, not an xorg problem, since x is indeed running at the kdm login screen. But, that would prevent kde from starting.
[12:26] <Karti> looking at backing up a tar file on a Sunday only and I believe that using an If statement with (date %u = 7) would work best, any pointers would be welcome and mostly appreciated :)
[12:26] <kaminix> trekdann1: I will get quality loss except the one I wished for?
[12:26] <trekdann1> kaminix: yeah i think so
[12:27] <kaminix> k.
[12:27] <trekdann1> kaminix: better off storing the mp3 in a ogg, but i doubt there will be any significant size difference
[12:28] <kaminix> Storing mp3 in an ogg? :s
[12:28] <trekdann1> yea that's kinda pointless too but i thought you wanted it in an ogg
[12:28] <ardchoille> Karti: I use a cronjob to run tar to backup my $HOME. Maybe that would suffice?
[12:30] <Karti> ardchoille: its part of a cron job, and once the script is complete, if its sunday it nacks up to my network drive. So I have weekday backups to a USB drive and weekly to a network
[12:30] <jhutchins> mp3 to ogg will result in significant quality loss because of the different sampling technique.
[12:30] <aaron> how useable is the current beta of kde4?
[12:30] <Karti> backs up even!
[12:30] <trekdann1> jhutchins: hmm sorry i was thinking he wanted to store mp3 files in a ogg-continer
[12:30] <jhutchins> aaron:Very useful if you want to find and report bugs!
[12:31] <ardchoille> Karti: Sounds good.
[12:31] <aaron> heh. for reals though.
[12:31] <aaron> I can't even get it installed.
[12:31] <aaron> :)
[12:31] <Karti> yeah....lol if I can get the Sunday bit to work
[12:31] <jhutchins> Then again, if he's going mp3@ 320 -> mp3 @ 198, going to ogg @ 198 might be better.  Probably not.
[12:31] <aaron> is someone trying to make a backup?
[12:31] <aaron> i have a sweet script for that
[12:32] <trekdann1> jhutchins: hmm why's that?
[12:32] <ardchoille> aaron: Can you post it to pastebin?
[12:32] <trekdann1> jhutchins: because ogg is more efficient than mp3
[12:32] <Karti> aaron: I am tying to use an if statement to backup only on a sunday
[12:32] <trekdann1> jhutchins: ?
[12:32] <jhutchins> trekdann1: They both discard some of the sound, but they do it differently, so if you translate from one to the other you loose BOTH parts of the sound.
[12:32] <trekdann1> jhutchins: hmm yeah
[12:33] <jhutchins> Whereas if you go to heavier compression, you just loose _more_ of the same parts.
[12:33] <aaron> Karti: odd.
[12:33] <Karti> aaron: ?
[12:33] <aaron> can't cron just run it on sundays?
[12:34] <ardchoille> aaron , Karti yes, cron can be set to run a script only on Sunday's
[12:34] <trekdann1> jhutchins: hmm if you go from mp3 @ 320 -> mp3 @ 192 isn't the whole thing resampled ?
[12:34] <Karti> aaron: I have a single backup script that runs every two days to a backup usb drive, but in the script if it is sunday, it will also backup to a network drive