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beunojenda: ping01:24
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L1pehey guys, sunday's date in the topic is wrong, sunday is the 19th03:36
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jendabeuno: pong08:52
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | Beuno is doing UWN | UWN #52 is out! UWN #53 is in progress to be released Sunday August 18th
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WatersevenubSusana, hey ... just sent the email to Corey about the Free Schools Project in Portugal ;)01:12
WatersevenubSusana, was there any other page where UWN accepts submissions rather than by email?01:12
SusanaWatersevenub: just saw your email 02:06
Susananice :)02:06
Susanathe correct place seems to be ubuntu-marketing-submissions 02:07
WatersevenubSusana, where?02:08
Susanaits a mailling list02:08
Susanaubuntu-marketing-submissions at lists ubuntu com 02:09
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WatersevenubSusana, hhhmmm ... I have to leave now, can you forward it there please?02:28
SusanaWatersevenub: sure02:32
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dergringoHi07:26
dergringoWhat is the status of the DIY project?07:26
jendahello dergringo 07:28
jendastatus bad07:28
jendayou pung me a few days ago07:28
jendathe team has fallen apart and no progress is happening.07:29
jendaBesides, the server is down and Mitch Mahan is nowhere to be found.07:29
dergringojenda: oh that sounds bad. :-(07:29
dergringoWell is there still some interest in this project?07:29
jendaI've started working in parallell bits, with Canonical and shop.canonical.com, but it's not much.07:30
juliuxjenda, lets call a team meeting;)07:30
jendadergringo: I'm always interested in ti.07:30
jendajuliux: I think one was planned :D07:30
jendagerry will be able to come after the weekend07:30
jendaAnd I'd like him to be there.07:30
dergringoBecause my full time job will be finished in the end of august07:31
dergringoThis means that I'll have some time left to support the project07:31
dergringoI was very busy the last few months so I wasn't able to to anything for DIY07:31
dergringoSo maybe we can set up a new team?07:32
dergringoI have a server that I can offer07:32
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dergringo(a patched one) SCNR ;)07:34
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jendadergringo: the project would probably take some restructuring.07:41
jendashouldn't be too much of a problem though07:41
jendadergringo: there's a chance we could include the community-supplied materials in shop.canonical.com in some way.07:41
jendadergringo: which would be totally cool ;)07:41
jendaall we'd need to make DIY into is a resource for creating DIY material, and that would be a lot easier.07:42
jendabasically, I'd chop off the howto section plan for now, and focus on creating a database of downloadable material07:43
dergringoI don't like the aura of shop.canonical.com :) The url sounds like all the money goes to canonical not to the people07:43
jendaalong with some basic guidelines on how to create new marketing material.07:43
jendadergringo: that's why there'd be a community section.07:43
jendadergringo: perhaps we could even win a forward to that section from shop.ubuntu.com :)07:43
dergringoshop.ubuntu.com would sound much better07:44
dergringo:)07:44
jendawell, no - not for what there is right now07:44
jendathe money is all canonical's07:44
dergringoor even ubuntushop.com07:44
jendabut gerry and I talked about a section for stuff people like julius or I produce.07:44
jenda(I don't plan to produce any more anytime soon)07:44
dergringowell that is the idea of the DIY project isn't it?07:45
jendayes07:45
jenda1/4 of it ;)07:45
dergringo:)07:45
dergringoSo you 07:45
dergringowant to take this part off?07:45
dergringoOr have I misunderstood you?07:45
jendano - I want to use Canonical's help.07:45
jendato achieve it, by fusing it into shop.canonical.com in some way.07:45
jendaso that people who want swag will go to either that or shop.ubuntu.com, and click their way through clearly separated canonical/community sections07:46
dergringoI don't see the advantages of this plan07:46
jenda1) it gets done07:46
jenda2) it fulfills the purpose07:46
jendaad 1) - DIY is never gonna get done. It's been in the works for over a year, and there is simply not enough dedicated manpower.07:47
jendaad 2) the purpose is that there is _one_ place to go to if you want to buy swag.07:47
jendaThis place could be a joint effort by the community and canonical, at shop.canonical.com and shop.ubuntu.com, with two separate sections, one provided by Canonical, and one provided by the community.07:48
jendaThis would leave DIY itself a much simpler task to complete.07:48
dergringoI see you have some ideas :)07:48
jendahell yeah, I've been the leader of the project for over a year, and it was never finished - I have _TONS_ of ideas :D07:49
dergringo:D07:49
dergringoideas are good07:49
dergringoOk let me tell you this07:49
jendaIt was never finished, because although I could have given it a lot of time, I don't have the skills to create it technically, so I needed people to do it for me, and although I did have a lot of very good workers over the course of time, they were never good enough (and my leadership never good enough) to actually complete it.07:50
jenda^_^07:50
dergringoI offer you my work as a backend dev as long as the code is beeing used for a community project07:50
jendadergringo: I would gladly accept, if I didn't know you'd be the fourth or fifth backend dev who has wasted their time on work that would never be used.07:50
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jendaso, what I prefer to do now is to focus on getting the community-swag-shop up, and I'm hoping to get Canonical's help there.07:51
jendaAnd once that's done, we could move on to what's left of the original plan, and that is a database of downloadable (printable) swag-to-be.07:52
jendaAnd when that is done, the last step is the howtos section, which focuses on all the experiences of locos to be collected so that other locos could use them.07:53
dergringojenda: You are the project leader. And me as a dev I think that the plans look very weird. Where is the list with the detailed requirements?07:53
dergringoI am missing some project documentation07:54
jendadergringo: erm,... the wiki? :)07:54
jendahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite07:54
dergringoYes I read the wiki but this is not what a dev is looking for :D07:54
dergringoWe need technical specifications (look at the mail that I wrote some months ago with the questions)07:55
jendaI answered them as best I could.07:55
dergringoI know jenda and you answered them well! So why don't we publish it?07:56
jendaFeel free :D07:56
jendaI'm still looking for the emails07:56
jendawhat name do you send under?07:56
dergringoWhy don't we define exactly what this project is all about? :)07:57
jendagotcha07:57
dergringojenda: dergringo " aht" gmail "doht" com07:57
jendagot it07:57
jendaerm07:57
jendaI've been trying to for a year.07:57
jendadergringo: and yeah, looking over that, it would be outdated if the above plan with canonical worked out.07:59
jendaI'll know more about that in the next 3 days07:59
jenda(talk with gerry)07:59
jendaAfter we know where that's headed, we will have to think of restructuring (or not) the current plan.07:59
jendadergringo: I believe there is a _lot_ of backend work already done, except it's scattered in various places I don't see :08:00
jenda:(08:00
jendaI think only Dan Buch would know that, and he hasn't been overly communicative lately.08:00
jendaHowever, I have some urgent work to do in the next 2 hours... and it's about 6 hours of work... dammit :D08:00
dergringojenda: allright just contact me by mail or by jabber (dergringo@swissjabber.org)08:23
dergringoI'm looking forward to hear from you08:23
dergringoI have a lot of time in the first two september weeks08:24
dergringoSo maybe you got it until then ;)08:24
jendadergringo: I'll do my best.08:25

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