[01:24] <beuno> jenda: ping
[03:36] <L1pe> hey guys, sunday's date in the topic is wrong, sunday is the 19th
[08:52] <jenda> beuno: pong
[01:12] <Watersevenub> Susana, hey ... just sent the email to Corey about the Free Schools Project in Portugal ;)
[01:12] <Watersevenub> Susana, was there any other page where UWN accepts submissions rather than by email?
[02:06] <Susana> Watersevenub: just saw your email 
[02:06] <Susana> nice :)
[02:07] <Susana> the correct place seems to be ubuntu-marketing-submissions 
[02:08] <Watersevenub> Susana, where?
[02:08] <Susana> its a mailling list
[02:09] <Susana> ubuntu-marketing-submissions at lists ubuntu com 
[02:28] <Watersevenub> Susana, hhhmmm ... I have to leave now, can you forward it there please?
[02:32] <Susana> Watersevenub: sure
[07:26] <dergringo> Hi
[07:26] <dergringo> What is the status of the DIY project?
[07:28] <jenda> hello dergringo 
[07:28] <jenda> status bad
[07:28] <jenda> you pung me a few days ago
[07:29] <jenda> the team has fallen apart and no progress is happening.
[07:29] <jenda> Besides, the server is down and Mitch Mahan is nowhere to be found.
[07:29] <dergringo> jenda: oh that sounds bad. :-(
[07:29] <dergringo> Well is there still some interest in this project?
[07:30] <jenda> I've started working in parallell bits, with Canonical and shop.canonical.com, but it's not much.
[07:30] <juliux> jenda, lets call a team meeting;)
[07:30] <jenda> dergringo: I'm always interested in ti.
[07:30] <jenda> juliux: I think one was planned :D
[07:30] <jenda> gerry will be able to come after the weekend
[07:30] <jenda> And I'd like him to be there.
[07:31] <dergringo> Because my full time job will be finished in the end of august
[07:31] <dergringo> This means that I'll have some time left to support the project
[07:31] <dergringo> I was very busy the last few months so I wasn't able to to anything for DIY
[07:32] <dergringo> So maybe we can set up a new team?
[07:32] <dergringo> I have a server that I can offer
[07:34] <dergringo> (a patched one) SCNR ;)
[07:41] <jenda> dergringo: the project would probably take some restructuring.
[07:41] <jenda> shouldn't be too much of a problem though
[07:41] <jenda> dergringo: there's a chance we could include the community-supplied materials in shop.canonical.com in some way.
[07:41] <jenda> dergringo: which would be totally cool ;)
[07:42] <jenda> all we'd need to make DIY into is a resource for creating DIY material, and that would be a lot easier.
[07:43] <jenda> basically, I'd chop off the howto section plan for now, and focus on creating a database of downloadable material
[07:43] <dergringo> I don't like the aura of shop.canonical.com :) The url sounds like all the money goes to canonical not to the people
[07:43] <jenda> along with some basic guidelines on how to create new marketing material.
[07:43] <jenda> dergringo: that's why there'd be a community section.
[07:43] <jenda> dergringo: perhaps we could even win a forward to that section from shop.ubuntu.com :)
[07:44] <dergringo> shop.ubuntu.com would sound much better
[07:44] <dergringo> :)
[07:44] <jenda> well, no - not for what there is right now
[07:44] <jenda> the money is all canonical's
[07:44] <dergringo> or even ubuntushop.com
[07:44] <jenda> but gerry and I talked about a section for stuff people like julius or I produce.
[07:44] <jenda> (I don't plan to produce any more anytime soon)
[07:45] <dergringo> well that is the idea of the DIY project isn't it?
[07:45] <jenda> yes
[07:45] <jenda> 1/4 of it ;)
[07:45] <dergringo> :)
[07:45] <dergringo> So you 
[07:45] <dergringo> want to take this part off?
[07:45] <dergringo> Or have I misunderstood you?
[07:45] <jenda> no - I want to use Canonical's help.
[07:45] <jenda> to achieve it, by fusing it into shop.canonical.com in some way.
[07:46] <jenda> so that people who want swag will go to either that or shop.ubuntu.com, and click their way through clearly separated canonical/community sections
[07:46] <dergringo> I don't see the advantages of this plan
[07:46] <jenda> 1) it gets done
[07:46] <jenda> 2) it fulfills the purpose
[07:47] <jenda> ad 1) - DIY is never gonna get done. It's been in the works for over a year, and there is simply not enough dedicated manpower.
[07:47] <jenda> ad 2) the purpose is that there is _one_ place to go to if you want to buy swag.
[07:48] <jenda> This place could be a joint effort by the community and canonical, at shop.canonical.com and shop.ubuntu.com, with two separate sections, one provided by Canonical, and one provided by the community.
[07:48] <jenda> This would leave DIY itself a much simpler task to complete.
[07:48] <dergringo> I see you have some ideas :)
[07:49] <jenda> hell yeah, I've been the leader of the project for over a year, and it was never finished - I have _TONS_ of ideas :D
[07:49] <dergringo> :D
[07:49] <dergringo> ideas are good
[07:49] <dergringo> Ok let me tell you this
[07:50] <jenda> It was never finished, because although I could have given it a lot of time, I don't have the skills to create it technically, so I needed people to do it for me, and although I did have a lot of very good workers over the course of time, they were never good enough (and my leadership never good enough) to actually complete it.
[07:50] <jenda> ^_^
[07:50] <dergringo> I offer you my work as a backend dev as long as the code is beeing used for a community project
[07:50] <jenda> dergringo: I would gladly accept, if I didn't know you'd be the fourth or fifth backend dev who has wasted their time on work that would never be used.
[07:51] <jenda> so, what I prefer to do now is to focus on getting the community-swag-shop up, and I'm hoping to get Canonical's help there.
[07:52] <jenda> And once that's done, we could move on to what's left of the original plan, and that is a database of downloadable (printable) swag-to-be.
[07:53] <jenda> And when that is done, the last step is the howtos section, which focuses on all the experiences of locos to be collected so that other locos could use them.
[07:53] <dergringo> jenda: You are the project leader. And me as a dev I think that the plans look very weird. Where is the list with the detailed requirements?
[07:54] <dergringo> I am missing some project documentation
[07:54] <jenda> dergringo: erm,... the wiki? :)
[07:54] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[07:54] <dergringo> Yes I read the wiki but this is not what a dev is looking for :D
[07:55] <dergringo> We need technical specifications (look at the mail that I wrote some months ago with the questions)
[07:55] <jenda> I answered them as best I could.
[07:56] <dergringo> I know jenda and you answered them well! So why don't we publish it?
[07:56] <jenda> Feel free :D
[07:56] <jenda> I'm still looking for the emails
[07:56] <jenda> what name do you send under?
[07:57] <dergringo> Why don't we define exactly what this project is all about? :)
[07:57] <jenda> gotcha
[07:57] <dergringo> jenda: dergringo " aht" gmail "doht" com
[07:57] <jenda> got it
[07:57] <jenda> erm
[07:57] <jenda> I've been trying to for a year.
[07:59] <jenda> dergringo: and yeah, looking over that, it would be outdated if the above plan with canonical worked out.
[07:59] <jenda> I'll know more about that in the next 3 days
[07:59] <jenda> (talk with gerry)
[07:59] <jenda> After we know where that's headed, we will have to think of restructuring (or not) the current plan.
[08:00] <jenda> dergringo: I believe there is a _lot_ of backend work already done, except it's scattered in various places I don't see :
[08:00] <jenda> :(
[08:00] <jenda> I think only Dan Buch would know that, and he hasn't been overly communicative lately.
[08:00] <jenda> However, I have some urgent work to do in the next 2 hours... and it's about 6 hours of work... dammit :D
[08:23] <dergringo> jenda: allright just contact me by mail or by jabber (dergringo@swissjabber.org)
[08:23] <dergringo> I'm looking forward to hear from you
[08:24] <dergringo> I have a lot of time in the first two september weeks
[08:24] <dergringo> So maybe you got it until then ;)
[08:25] <jenda> dergringo: I'll do my best.