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| sbalneav | Evening all | 05:10 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | gutsy (7.10) Tribe-4 released ! test the development iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/ | ||
| === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Thu Aug 9 16:05:26 2007 | ||
| sbalneav | LaserJock: Hey, you around, dude? | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | sure am | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | Cool. | 05:56 |
| sbalneav | I'm starting to get to the point where I'm going to start adding a lot to the handbook over the next few weeks. | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | Now that the main development cycle's done. | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | Anything you'd like me to keep in mind while I'm adding content? | 05:57 |
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| LaserJock | hmm | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | not entirely sure | 05:59 |
| sbalneav | ok. | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | it'd be nice to be able to do things as topics | 05:59 |
| sbalneav | Right, that's what I was thinking of, but I don't know what that means in practical terms. I.e., I add things to THIS file instead of THAT one, etc. | 06:00 |
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| tidalbobo | hay. i have a problem with edubuntu installation on a p3 PC | 06:03 |
| tidalbobo | after installing any Educational applicvations will not start. i get message saying that "your computer type is not recognised(i386)" | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't think that's a big deal right now | 06:04 |
| tidalbobo | has any one got this experiance? need some help pls | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | I think it's more keeping it mind while you're writing | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | that we need logical chunks | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | that seems like a 64bit/32bit mismatch or something | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: I was thinking the other day of having an Edubuntu Bug Squashing Day sometime soon | 06:08 |
| sbalneav | It was today. | 06:08 |
| sbalneav | I've killed 3 :) | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | I noticed | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | we've got a lot of LTSP bugs too though | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | I'd really like to have our edu apps in good shape for release | 06:09 |
| sbalneav | I'm certainly happy to help with any edu apps I can. Any particularly thorny ones sticking in your craw? | 06:10 |
| sbalneav | tidalbobo: What's the output of "uname -a" on your box? | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | Gcompris seems to have a lot of bugs. | 06:12 |
| sbalneav | "use gcompris on logout". Man, THAT one needs a bit more info. | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:13 |
| sbalneav | tidalbobo: Still with us? | 06:16 |
| tidalbobo | sbalneav: it was installed from the CD i got from SHIPIT service. | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | OK, so, what version did you get? An 64 bit version, or an i386 version? | 06:17 |
| tidalbobo | sorry right now i dont have access to the system, but all i did was simple install the CD i got. i presume its the correct one, as the CD says its for x86 intel boxes | 06:17 |
| tidalbobo | definityly 32 bit. the cd casing says its for intel pentium. Also my cpu is detected correcly as P3 coppermine i686. | 06:19 |
| sbalneav | OK, so what's the exact error message you're getting, when you try to click on which application? | 06:20 |
| tidalbobo | but what makes me wonder is that GNOME is the window manager. for GCompris and Educational suits dont you need to have KDE running? is this the reaon? | 06:20 |
| tidalbobo | sbalneav: let me give u a discription of the situation. | 06:20 |
| sbalneav | Please do. | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: you don't need KDE | 06:22 |
| tidalbobo | The installation is successful. I can login and do most of the things. Openoffice runs, all games work etc. How ever the "educational" menu is missing. | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: did you use the Desktop CD? | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | or wait, nevermind | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: you'll need to get the Classroom Server Addon CD for the educational apps | 06:23 |
| tidalbobo | When i go to "add applications", and try to add GCompris or some educational application, i get the error saying that my computer (i386) is not supported. This happens only for certain applications. Others work fine | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | ok, I know the problem then | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | easy fix :-) | 06:23 |
| tidalbobo | i used the stanalone version. yes, it should be the desk top CD. | 06:23 |
| tidalbobo | ;) u do? wonderfuk | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | it's actual the Server CD | 06:24 |
| tidalbobo | wonderful. pardon the typo | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | but you did the Workstation install I'm guessing | 06:24 |
| tidalbobo | yes. | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | OK, and did you have it hooked to the internet while installing? | 06:25 |
| tidalbobo | no. i couldnt get the modem to work. so no internet | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | ok, that's the problem | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | so is it possible for you to download an .iso somewhere? | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: the problem is that the educational apps aren't shipped on the 1st CD anymore | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: so you need to either download them or get the Classroom Server Addon CD | 06:29 |
| sbalneav | tidalbobo: What kind of modem do you have? | 06:29 |
| tidalbobo | its a rockwel | 06:34 |
| tidalbobo | ok. if thats the case, can i get the addon CD and install that on top of the existing installation? then i should ba able to get the applications to work? | 06:35 |
| sbalneav | Ah, a winmodem. | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: yes, the Addon CD is for just that | 06:36 |
| tidalbobo | grate. i can do that. what got me misled was the error message saying that "my computer was not suppotred" i think ill suggest the error message be changed to refelect the true nature | 06:37 |
| tidalbobo | my contribution to edubuntu development | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: yes, I have no idea why that does that | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | it's an odd message | 06:37 |
| tidalbobo | yes. ill try you recomendation. then will put a bug/issue on the dev list so that someone can look in to it. Since edbuntu is targetted at educators, who might not be gurus in linux, some problem like that can easliy defeat them during the installation itself.. | 06:39 |
| tidalbobo | not a good way to start | 06:40 |
| tidalbobo | sbalneav: thank you | 06:40 |
| sbalneav | np | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | tidalbobo: it works fine unless you don't have internet available during install | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | but I kinda think this *has* to be a general Ubuntu issue | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | I don't see why it would be edubuntu-specific | 06:42 |
| tidalbobo | i think the warning is from the pakage-manager. 1st of all, it does not seem to recongnise my syste. hence the message identifing it as a i386. Am i correct? | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | no, I don't think it's really anything like that | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | that's the weird part | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | It knows your system just fine and that it is i386 | 06:44 |
| tidalbobo | oh.. then im lost. if thats corerct, why does the message say "not supported" ? mysterious | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | yes, that's what I'm saying | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | the message doesn't say anything that correct :-) | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | the real problem is that you don't have the repositories enabled | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | and it's looking for your CD to install the apps | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | but a lot of the edu apps aren't on the CD | 06:47 |
| tidalbobo | i see. | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | but it shouldn't show you apps that you can't install | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | I think we need to stick some documentation somewhere about that | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | I've seen it at least 3 times in here | 06:50 |
| tidalbobo | well if its a thing that keeps on repeating, better to address the issue once and for all. | 06:51 |
| tidalbobo | i agree with you. | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | I'll have a chat with the Add/Remove Applications guy when I get a chance | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | and see what's going on with that | 06:52 |
| tidalbobo | sbalneav: thanks | 06:54 |
| tidalbobo | will update you on what happens on my box | 06:54 |
| sbalneav | Well, late here, and my holidays are over. | 06:55 |
| sbalneav | Back to work tomorrow :( | 06:55 |
| sbalneav | I'm off to bed. | 06:55 |
| sbalneav | Night all! | 06:55 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 03:09 |
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| LaserJock | ogra, RichEd-1: my CMPC arrived this morning :-) | 09:33 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav: around? | 09:41 |
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| sbalneav | LaserJock: Yessir! | 09:43 |
| sbalneav | What for can I do you? | 09:43 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav: ok, so what are your ideas for documentation | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | I was a bit preoccupied the other day | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing first thing is to go through the Handbook and "fix" anything | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | I know I need to put in new shots for the Addon CD | 09:48 |
| sbalneav | Cool. | 09:50 |
| sbalneav | Well, I need to add a TON of documentation on LTSP, on all the new features, i.e. scalability support, etc. | 09:51 |
| sbalneav | I'd like to have a section on lockdown and desktops using Sabayon and Pessellus | 09:51 |
| sbalneav | Maybe list some different network topology strategies for Edubuntu classroom setups. With pictures. | 09:52 |
| sbalneav | What's a good package for drawing network diagrams? I usually use Dia. That good enough quality for the handbook? | 09:53 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav: that'd probably work fine | 10:00 |
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| sbalneav | I know we'd like to get some more edu apps documentation in there. | 10:01 |
| sbalneav | Is Will still around? | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | kinda'ish I think | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | he was off surfing for a while ;-) | 10:02 |
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| sbalneav | Who else is contributing to the handbook these days besides you, me and Will? | 10:02 |
| ogra | sbalneav, it can get annoying at times | 10:03 |
| sbalneav | I love it! | 10:03 |
| sbalneav | Meeting now, afk. | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: umm, nobody much | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | ogra: is there a way to like save the Windows XP image on the CMPC? | 10:09 |
| ogra | boot it as ltsp client and dd the disk to an image from commandline ? | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | have you tried that before? that sounds that might work ok | 10:10 |
| ogra | i actually never tried it with XP | 10:11 |
| ogra | but it worked with the metasys image i have | 10:11 |
| ogra | (didnt try to restore any of the others yet) | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I've got my CMPC here at the lab connected to the uni VPN, quite interesting | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | but of course I want to blow away Windows and get something better on there | 10:12 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: do you dd images over to get *buntu on there? | 10:27 |
| ogra | yes | 10:27 |
| ogra | even thoug i could just cp them on a partition as well | 10:28 |
| ogra | as image files | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | so do you boot it as a thin client over a patch cable? | 10:28 |
| ogra | right | 10:28 |
| ogra | then i log in on console and fiddle with what i like | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | stupid LTSP question, but how do you tell it where the "hard drive" is? | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | since you're working on the server | 10:29 |
| ogra | i'm not | 10:41 |
| ogra | i'm logging in locally :) | 10:41 |
| ogra | and use /dev/sdb :) | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | ohhhh | 10:41 |
| ogra | or was it sdc ? | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | not sda? | 10:42 |
| ogra | not here afair | 10:44 |
| ogra | i must admit i havent booted the thing since some weeks now | 10:44 |
| ogra | anyway, i was gone already ... damned nightly ad-hoc meetings ... | 10:45 |
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