[12:38] <mhb> hi folks
[01:51] <RadiantFire> hi mhb
[03:51] <ScottK> Who was asking about the splash screen being off center on non-wide screen displays?  Whoever it was, it is.
[04:01] <ScottK> mhb: You did restricted manager for KDE, right?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> oh i love bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/133478
[07:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133478 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu package manager (wishlist)" [Undecided,Won't fix] 
[09:05] <Riddell> ScottK: erk
[09:05] <Hobbsee> mornign Riddell
[09:10] <Riddell> greetings Hobbsee
[09:38] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[10:09] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: heyy :)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you fresh?
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yop :)
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah I'm okay
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm working on the problems with obexftp
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh yep.. kdebluetooth..
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not very good code, is it ? :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no problem with it
[10:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: do you have problems with the code ? :)
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: didn't fdoving complain about speed and stuff ?
[10:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wasn't there for 2 weeks, so I don't know
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I just discovered that uploading a mp3 file using bluetooth is _very_ slow when you're used to regular wireless hehe
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's just bluetooth
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but I guess it has always been slow :)
[10:14] <_StefanS_> yes.
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bluetooth is slow
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, I was wondering why some of my machines use kdesu instead of kdesudo for adept packagemanagement?
[10:15] <_StefanS_> kinda odd.
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum...... have any adept*.Desktop file in your profile ?
[10:15] <_StefanS_> checking
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: weird.....
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: only in /usr/share/applications
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is the dpkg-divert applied ?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how would you apply that?
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: dpkg-divert --list | grep kdesu
[10:18] <_StefanS_> ah..
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: on the machine that does use kdesudo there's a diversion present :)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: on my laptop I havent got it.
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then purge and reinstall kdesudo
[10:18] <_StefanS_> righto.
[10:18] <Tonio_> and check for the divertion again
[10:19] <_StefanS_> gotcha.
[10:19] <_StefanS_> yes :) - now its there.
[10:19] <_StefanS_> thanks alot
[10:20] <Tonio_> oki :)
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so anything I could help out with ? I've been compiling lpia / kde while you were away
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its almost done now :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is a segfault with the "paired devices" kdebluetooth tool afaik
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: would be nice fixing this one
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: alright, I see it.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: will compile with debug and fix.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any freeze at the moment or is that just the feature freeze ?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> FF I think.
[10:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee:  ?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: UVF
[10:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is it still there ?
[10:25] <Tonio_> s/still/already ?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:25] <Hobbsee> has been since thursday
[10:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's annoying for kdebluetooth
[10:25] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/p/uy2S6m56.html  hmm, drat
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there are UVFe's
[10:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so we need an exception for every svn sync with kdebluetooth........
[10:25] <Tonio_> damn....
[10:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: depends how sensible the release team is
[10:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Riddell's the head, so...
[10:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, indeed :)
[10:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: person needs kicking in #ubuntu
[10:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, ihave a !ops highlight
[10:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: if there's no more features going into kdebluetooth I'm happy to give it a general UVF exception
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded obexftp with a removed universe builddep, now I'm checking at the security problems ian poited out
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is just bugfixes atm
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: but as there are commits every day.... :)
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also notices there isa problem with the ksplash, as the background isn't centered, is that known issue ? should I fix ?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: known issue; please fix.
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point is that the image is the same size as the login box, dunno if that's wanted.....
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_, Riddell shouldn't that box be smaller btw ?
[10:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's a known issue, fix welcome (needs working out which figure in mooding to change)
[10:29] <Riddell> it's best if it's the same size
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you notice that if you select that the bluetooth icon should only appear when there's a connection; there's just an empty space where it would sit in the tray bar.
[10:30] <Riddell> reminds me, ken did a new version I should upload
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but the content isn't the same....
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks for uploading rpm btw.
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: centering this will result a box "full of empty" space :)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I'll wait for your upload to fix then :)
[10:31] <Riddell> the upload won't fix anything
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we can center this, but that'll be strange as the 5 only icons will be in a hudge box no ?
[10:33] <Riddell> no stranger than the box resizing itself
[10:34] <Riddell> hmm, kwwii has committed a smaller dialog for ksplash
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll test this
[10:36] <Tonio_> sorry for the stupid question but as I didn't touch the computer for 2 weeks..... any news concerning the nspluginviewer issue ?
[10:36] <Riddell> none
[10:36] <Tonio_> ok
[10:36] <Riddell> although openoffice got a fix
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what fix it that ? :)
[10:44] <Riddell> whatever is needed to properly initialise glib/gtk
[10:44] <Riddell> which obviously can't be done to flah, acroread, opera etc
[10:44] <_StefanS_> argh..
[10:44] <_StefanS_> so who changed the api ? :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> I thought those things were supposed to be stable
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/119664 isnt actually fixed.
[10:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119664 in kdepim "Kubuntu upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy failed due to conflicting file in kdepimlibs" [High,Confirmed] 
[10:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: well quite.  however its arguably not an API change but that those programmes were never using glib correctly in the first place which means upstream don't care
[10:46] <Riddell> they closed with bug with NOTGNOME, so nice to know that interoperability has such a priority
[10:46] <_StefanS_> uhm thats great... so screw the users.
[10:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok
[10:47] <_StefanS_> jeeez.
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload latest kds including kwwii's changes
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested here, works, even if that doesn't seem to be the final version (ken comment on upload). I just uploaded
[11:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kdebluetooth, I must say I don't know what to say to ian concerning the potential security issues....
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a matter of code, would you please have a quick look ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportObexftp
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: no isue concerning the builddep, I removed it (obsolete), and I'll ping debian concerning this
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks to me that obewftp is used within the ioslave obex2:/ and therefore should cause any big trouble reguarding to security
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've no idea, I've never used bluetooth, maybe upstream could give a good answer
[11:51] <Tonio_> yup
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, grep ftp on the source gives a good idea too :)
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping ian this afternoon
[02:14] <ScottK> Riddell: What was the "Urk"?  For attempting Dapper --> Gutsy?  It almost worked.
[02:34] <Riddell> ScottK: really?
[02:34] <Riddell> ScottK: did you keep a list of problems?
[02:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I have a lot of notes.
[02:35] <ScottK> The biggest one (as yet unresolved) is the no tty problem that people who tried Dapper -> Feisty reported.
[02:35] <ScottK> I only found one KDE related issue that didn't clearly have it's origin in a lower level problem.
[02:36] <ScottK> Switching from sys v init to Upstart was exciting.
[02:36] <ScottK> I'll research the one thing that looked KDE related and give you a report.
[02:39] <Riddell> what problem is that?
[02:40] <ScottK> libqt-mt couldn't be upgraded.  I really need to get through my notes and sort it out.  I mostly just wrote stuff down as I was doing it.
[02:41] <ScottK> I ended up having to get down to a very minimal system, so I'm not sure that wasn't the fault of another package.
[05:52] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionKvKbd
[05:53] <nixternal> Riddell: I just ran the commands he used and it built fine
[05:54] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: I replied to your comment on my blog :)
[05:54] <Riddell> nixternal: does it run "make -f Makefile.cvs"?
[05:55] <nixternal> yes it does
[05:55] <Riddell> nixternal: it needs to build-dep on autoconf I guess
[05:58] <nixternal> OK, test building and then I will upload the new revision
[06:24] <Riddell> jimbi jambi http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/jambi.png
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe
[06:26] <nixternal> so does that mean you are working on getting it packaged? :)
[06:30] <Riddell> yes
[06:30] <nixternal> I start up my advanced java courses this week, and I want to show them how much better Java is with Qt :)
[06:31] <nixternal> and advanced c++...this is the class I really want to do to knock my c++ rust off
[06:31] <nixternal> sucks that we have to use the STL, but hey, learning C++ properly is a good thing right now
[07:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: did we lose kio-sysinfo packaging in the revu move?
[08:02] <Riddell> mhb: ping, last day of SoC?
[08:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: considering I have it my HD, no... gotta reupload as soon as I fixed your last comments
[10:46] <nixternal> ScottK: I got word that I might have the possibility of doing a small tour of duty
[10:54] <ScottK> nixternal: Great (I assume)!
[11:17] <mhb> Riddell: hi, yes
[11:18] <mhb> Riddell: I didnt get much coding done these last few days :o|
[11:19] <coreymon77> there we go
[11:20] <coreymon77> i sent my answers to the questions and concerns
[11:20] <mhb> ScottK: yes
[11:20] <ScottK> mhb: How about one of these http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/gsoc-ubuntu-bootloader-manager-02/ for KDE for Gutsy +1?
[11:22] <ScottK> mhb: Also I've got a restricted-manager problem that there's already a bug on, so I thought I'd check and see if you needed any data for triaging.
[11:22] <mhb> ScottK: which one?
[11:22] <ScottK> Let me look.
[11:23] <ScottK> mhb Bug #133218
[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133218 in restricted-manager "restricted-manager-kde crashed with TypeError in description()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133218
[11:24] <mhb> ScottK: is it a kde only bug?
[11:25] <ScottK> mhb: Dunno.  I only run KDE.
[11:34] <mhb> ScottK: and the bootloader-manager is actually using a backend that was written by me
[11:34] <ScottK> mhb: Cool.  When is the KDE front end going to be ready?
[11:35] <mhb> ScottK: xerosis wanted to help with the KDE frontend but he left
[11:35] <mhb> ScottK: and I was busy with SoC
[11:35] <mhb> ScottK: but yes, gutsy+1 could be the one
[11:35] <ScottK> That would be great.
[11:35] <ScottK> It's going to miss Gutsy for Ubuntu, so we could both have it at the same time for Gutsy +1.