[12:35] <aaron> http://pastebin.com/m8076026
[12:35] <ardchoille> Karti: That does sound more efficient
[12:35] <Karti> so I have a bit of redundancy
[12:35] <aaron> I've been using that for a while. I use Acronis True Image for Linux now though.
[12:35] <trekdann1> Jaearess: nvm i figured
[12:37] <Karti> aaron: Very nice, I think I get the drift, I use Acronis for the whole drive, but I back up my documents and emails etc
[12:37] <isthisnickvalid_> Hi. I've downloaded Planeshift and I can't execute the installer. I've changed the permissions and it's the same... it says "can not execute the binary". Does anybody know how to execute it?
[12:38] <aaron> that's where my little script comes in handy. you can an independent backup of each day, without wasting space. so you've got a weeks worth of backups on a single drive, with file revisions.
[12:38] <aaron> I really like KDE except, the panel seems ineffecient of it's space. is it possible to move the trash icon into the little "system menu" ?
[12:38] <runlevelten> aaron: You decide how efficient it is.
[12:39] <runlevelten> It's KDE.
[12:39] <aaron> runlevelten: riddle me this then.
[12:39] <ardchoille> I never even use the trash
[12:39] <Karti> aaron: good point, but I like the ability to check back for deleted items, and for a 10pence cd per month, the cost is coooool
[12:39] <runlevelten> I'm missing what you mean by trash icon?
[12:39] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: Perhaps the download is corrupt, have you checked?
[12:39] <aaron> runlevelten: let me take a screener so we're o nthe same page.
[12:39] <isthisnickvalid_> how can I check that?
[12:40] <runlevelten> I have a dim memory of some weird default KDE setup in Kubuntu, but I change KDE settings without even thinking about it on installation :)
[12:40] <runlevelten> aaron: Good idea. :)
[12:40] <jhutchins> md5sum Plane<tab> and compare to md5sum on the site.
[12:40] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: Did you download the right one for your system?
[12:41] <isthisnickvalid_> Yup
[12:41] <isthisnickvalid_> the 32 bit binary
[12:41] <aaron> runlevelten: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1741/snapshot2kt5.png
[12:41] <aaron> I'm a gnome converter, so bear with me.
[12:41] <aaron> the icons on the right side, it'd be nice if those were smaller, so they'd stack up in two rows.
[12:42] <ardchoille> aaron: That's the notification applet and I don't think you can stack that into two rows
[12:42] <aaron> ha! see! told you so.
[12:42] <runlevelten> OK, well I have my panel at the top, in small size. I replace the taskbar (HUGE waste of screen real estate) with the window list applet  - which is more functional than the gnome one iirc.
[12:43] <aaron> they'll stack if the panel is tall enough
[12:43] <aaron> i have two screens. i like the way gnome handled them
[12:43] <ardchoille> two screens would make my brain melt
[12:43] <aaron> i run 3 at the office.
[12:43] <aaron> :)
[12:43] <aaron> 3x19"
[12:44] <ardchoille> lol
[12:44] <runlevelten> Then I remove the pager (keys and/or mousewheel on desktop to switch)
[12:44] <runlevelten> I too value my screen real estate :)
[12:44] <aaron> window list applet...
[12:44] <aaron> can you post a screenshot of what you've got?
[12:44] <runlevelten> The system tray, I don't know about getting those icons half size
[12:45] <aaron> from what i've found, you cant.
[12:46] <aaron> in gnome, if you've got two application things. one on each screen, if you move an app from screen to screen, it changes which panel it's on
[12:48] <manfred> ???
[12:48] <ubuntu__> i think he means: if you move a window to another deskspace, it doesn't show up in other deskspaces in gnome. right?
[12:49] <aaron> same deskspace, just which monitor.
[12:49] <runlevelten> Do you mean the taskbar aaron?
[12:49] <aaron> monitor 1 and 2 each have thier own panel. and each panel has it's own application thing.
[12:50] <runlevelten> aaron: alt F2  kcontrol  Desktop  Taskbar and uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[12:50] <jeffmitchell> hi all, i've got my apache2 server working. but when i access it I get a directory listing of '/var/www' instead of my main page (index.htm) does anyone know how to fix this?
[12:50] <runlevelten> Og, dunno about multiple heads.
[12:50] <aaron> so if i open firefox and put it into screen one, it's on screen ones panel. if i move it to the second screen, it moves to the second screens panel.
[12:50] <aaron> alt+f2 doesn't work on this box for some reason.
[12:50] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: Shouldn't that be index.html  not .htm ?
[12:51] <janet> hello
[12:51] <runlevelten> run command from k menu does it.
[12:51] <aaron> i know.
[12:51] <aaron> just saying.
[12:51] <ardchoille> hi janet
[12:51] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: i'll try that. wait one...
[12:51] <janet> can anyone tell the best way to delete a program like dreamweaver ... that is installed through wine? can I just delete the folder wine made?
[12:52] <janet> or will the fake windows directory have encrustaions of dreamweaver in hkey etc
[12:52] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: thanks! it works. i think i did this another time but forget about it. ha... that sure is annoying...
[12:52] <runlevelten> there'll be an uninstaller.
[12:52] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: You're welcome
[12:53] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: Sounds like a Windows habit (.htm)
[12:53] <janet> theres no uninstaller in the c:/program folder that wine made for dreamweaver
[12:54] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: damn. i sure wouldn't want to get into windows habbits! :D
[12:54] <ardchoille> lol
[12:54] <aaron> well, i've found the one thing gnome was better at :)
[12:55] <ubuntu__> whats that
[12:55] <janet> wish it had an uninstaller
[12:55] <aaron> the panels thing i've been talking about
[12:55] <aaron> id' have to log into gnome and take a screenshot
[12:55] <ubuntu__> i knows what they are ;D
[12:55] <ubuntu__> i just switched from gnome to kde
[12:55] <ubuntu__> kde is better
[12:55] <aaron> kde doesn't like to do the same thing.
[12:56] <runlevelten> janet, type uninstaller
[12:56] <aaron> i totally agree.
[12:56] <janet> kscreenshot ... the key beside backspace
[12:56] <holycow> i replicated all gnome panels in kde
[12:56] <janet> run : type it where?
[12:56] <holycow> they are indeed a superior idea
[12:56] <FiLeBaRoN> i have a question, i have used kubuntu and ubumtu before, i am now running a 64 bit box and i tried to run the live cd to install the amd 64 bit version and after i choose the start or install option the puter spins up the cd shows that it is starting, but then it stops and goes blank then it stops sending a signal to my display and just sits there, does the newest distro have issues with the geforce 8800 series adapter?
[12:56] <holycow> but kde panels are much more flexible so emulating what gnome does is easy
[12:56] <runlevelten> holycow: I needed cheering up. Thanks.
[12:57] <holycow> lol, well you are welcome
[12:57] <FiLeBaRoN> was curious to see if there was a known issue
[12:57] <holycow> runlevelten: you don't happen to work on kde panels?
[12:58] <runlevelten> holycow: No, sorry.
[12:58] <holycow> no prob
[12:59] <aaron> so, anyone know how to add something to the "system menu"
[12:59] <FiLeBaRoN> does anyone have an idea about that?
[12:59] <runlevelten> what's the system menu?
[12:59] <runlevelten> kmenuedit should be able to... well, edit the kmenu, heh
[12:59] <aaron> "menu of important places"
[01:00] <runlevelten> k menu?
[01:00] <aaron> no
[01:00] <aaron> right next to that.
[01:00] <aaron> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1741/snapshot2kt5.png
[01:00] <aaron> k-menu, trash, system menu.
[01:00] <FiLeBaRoN> this is the adapter i have= Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS
[01:01] <NickPresta> is there any way to get coloured results from apt-* commands?
[01:01] <FiLeBaRoN> if anyone can help i would appreciate it
[01:01] <runlevelten> kmenuedit if it's the real system menu.
[01:01] <aaron> it is
[01:01] <runlevelten> then it's just broken off of kmenu.
[01:01] <runlevelten> :)
[01:01] <janet> dreamweaver mostly works for me under wine but still freezes and is buggy... ive followed many wikis to get to this point
[01:02] <janet> anyone else here sucessfully running dreamweaver 8 through wine?
[01:02] <holycow> janet: dreamweaver has never worked for me, even under crossover office
[01:02] <runlevelten> janet: in a console, in the alt+F2 dialog, wherever :)
[01:02] <media> Guys, how do I install the Nvidia drivers in Kubuntu? Im used to Ubuntu where I go to resistricted drivers.
[01:02] <aaron> bah. not in there.
[01:02] <NickPresta> janet, I'm not sure it can be done bug-free. Why do you want to use DreamWeaver anyways?
[01:02] <runlevelten> I used dreamweaver 8 in wine, it worked fine.
[01:02] <NickPresta> !nvidia | media
[01:02] <ubotu> media: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> media: you can get the resctricted-manager..
[01:03] <NickPresta> restricted-manager
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> can't get that far
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> doesn't complete the live cd loaf
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> *load
[01:03] <janet> nick: its for a friends computer, trying to get them off windows and onto linux... the last 2 programs they "need" for business is dreamweaver and photo shop 7
[01:03] <media> norednaekim : Im using Kubuntu, Can't find the resistricted drivers anywhere
[01:03] <runlevelten> If it's the system menu you've got on there, then you can edit the normal kmenu's system subdivision.
[01:04] <runlevelten> What are the options it provides to you now, aaron?
[01:04] <runlevelten> ie one or two :)
[01:04] <janet> i think i finally just got it! followed a good wiki and apt-getted some needed stuff namely wine-dev and now it works great (so far)
[01:04] <FiLeBaRoN> is there a way to bypass the live cd function and just install the os?
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> media: "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager"
[01:05] <runlevelten> photoshop's fine, too.
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> FiLeBaRoN: get the alternate installer
[01:05] <aaron> runlevelten: the system menu thing has "home folder"
[01:05] <runlevelten> but you have to be doing it out of personal choice if you're working with wine.
[01:05] <janet> finding photo shop 7 without it being a virus is another thing  lol
[01:05] <aaron> storage media, remote places and users folders. that's it'
[01:05] <janet> dang non-free programs.. i should insist she learn the gimp
[01:06] <FiLeBaRoN> k, will it install a generic driver for my video card? i already went and downloaded the linux driver for my card from nvidia
[01:06] <runlevelten> Well if it's not what you want, you can create your own menus and attach them instead :)
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> FiLeBaRoN: yep.. generic.
[01:06] <FiLeBaRoN> k
[01:06] <runlevelten> Oh, that's the system menu applet
[01:07] <FiLeBaRoN> oh, last question
[01:07] <FiLeBaRoN> does the live cd dislike striped raid
[01:07] <media> nosredanekim : says I need Python & Synatic when I try that command
[01:07] <aaron> runlevelten: hang on. i'm going to log into gnome.
[01:08] <media> nosredanekim : Can I install them from Add/Remove? or can I enter a switch on that command to get them as well?
[01:08] <FiLeBaRoN> whats the link i need to download the alternative installer?
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> media: do you have the bandwidth to get them?
[01:08] <media> nosredanekim : Yes, No problems
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> media: oh, you can.. its just a bit easier from the restrcied manager.
[01:09] <runlevelten> aaron, that's in kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:09] <runlevelten> oh, he went.
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> or you coul go test the restrcictedmanager from fiesty ;)
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> *gutsy
[01:09] <FiLeBaRoN> whats the link i need to download the alternative installer?
[01:09] <runlevelten> oh, he came back, heheh
[01:09] <aaron> i'm back.
[01:09] <runlevelten> aaron, that's in kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:09] <aaron> where's that?
[01:09] <runlevelten> so the global settings for the system are in /usr/share/apps/systemview
[01:10] <aaron> oh. i see.
[01:10] <runlevelten> if you wanted a "personal system menu", you'd put the links in a folder named ~/.kde/shaer/apps/systemview/
[01:10] <media> nosredanekim : Ive been using Ubuntu for a few months now. Love it but just putting Kubuntu on my media PC and really could do with the resistricted drivers panel.
[01:10] <runlevelten> s/folder/directory
[01:10] <cjh> hey, my dvdRW shows up in my BIOs, but not my  Hardware manager.  Is this a driver issue?
[01:10] <runlevelten> caveat: if you create a personal one, it will replace the global one, so you'd want to include any links you wanted to keep in there :)
[01:11] <runlevelten> from the global one
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> cjh: most likely
[01:12] <cjh> nosrednaekim: Think the forum would be my best bet?
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> cjh: probably, more people with similar hardware would see it
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> cjh: did you install linux of of this drive?
[01:13] <aaron> runlevelten: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/870/snapshot3fr2.png <- that's how panels should work.
[01:13] <aaron> note the application applets are different, and only show what is in each respective screen
[01:13] <cjh> nosrednaekim: No, I installed it off of the primary.  The slave is the one giving trouble.
[01:13] <runlevelten> I don't really like Microsoft Windows.
[01:14] <aaron> ?
[01:14] <ardchoille> aaron: Keep in mind, that's your opinion.. I can't stand that setup
[01:14] <aaron> :)
[01:14] <runlevelten> Oooooh, it's Gnome. Sorry.
[01:14] <Goats> I'm getting errors about modules and X isn't come up.
[01:14] <kondeDrakul> how format diskette in floppy drive?
[01:14] <aaron> back to kde.
[01:15] <Goats> Can I put the errors here?
[01:15] <Goats> It is only about 17 lines.
[01:15] <ardchoille> !paste | Goats
[01:15] <ubotu> Goats: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <Goats> Okay hold on.
[01:16] <cjh> I am trying to install a mepis version so I could get my drivers to work right...but the drivers I need won't work right until I can install mepis...
[01:16] <ardchoille> Goats: iirc, the rule is "more than 3 lines must go to pastebin#.
[01:16] <cjh> kubuntu is too orange.
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> too what?
[01:16] <ardchoille> cjh: How did you get orange in kubuntu>
[01:16] <ardchoille> ?
[01:16] <ardchoille> default is blue
[01:16] <aaron> installed ubuntu, and then ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <kondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,how format diskette in floppy drive?
[01:17] <Qaira> hello all, does the dvd version of Kubuntu 7.04 come with most of the packages? like for programming and so on?
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> !floppy
[01:17] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[01:17] <ardchoille> cjh: sounds like you're using Ubuntu
[01:18] <runlevelten> I think what you're calling panels are taskbars.
[01:18] <BluesKaj> hehe yep , kubuntu uses kde desktop, ubuntu uses gnome-orange/brown
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Qaira: probably. there is proabably a place that lists all the packages on it
[01:19] <Qaira> nosrednaekim: ok
[01:19] <Goats> Okay, I got it posted now.
[01:19] <Goats> Post the link?
[01:19] <inaety__> are there any Java IDE's written in Qt?  The only feature I really want is the ability to press a button and have it compiled and displayed, like netbeans or whatever
[01:19] <cjh> Yeah, gnome sucks.
[01:19] <Goats> Here are the errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/
[01:20] <runlevelten> and what's "Places"? Why not call it "Other garbage without a name"? The stuff in it is completely arbitrary.
[01:20] <Goats> How am I going to fix X?
[01:20] <runlevelten> Anyway. :)
[01:20] <Goats> Do I need these?
[01:20] <Goats> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/
[01:20] <cjh> 7.04 doesn't have KDE4.  Is the only way to get KDE4 to burn to DVD?
[01:20] <Goats> I started getting the http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/ errors after an apt-get upgrade.
[01:21] <BluesKaj> !ops
[01:21] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[01:21] <Goats> ?
[01:21] <Goats> What is wrong?
[01:21] <PriceChild> BluesKaj, ?
[01:21] <nixternal> BluesKaj: ?
[01:21] <Goats> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/ Why is this X not working?
[01:21] <janet> if you can launch a wine program from terminal with :   wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp   ...  how do you make an icon on the desktop that does that without going to terminal
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/
[01:22] <cjh> actually.  sudo apt-get install kde  ?
[01:22] <nixternal> BluesKaj: thanks!
[01:22] <cjh> for kubuntu equivalent?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> NP
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> ah...be more specific :)
[01:22] <aaron> runlevelten: the clock takes up too much space too :)
[01:22] <BluesKaj> the pic tells it all
[01:22] <PriceChild> Thankyou BluesKaj
[01:22] <PriceChild> lets not spread it though :)
[01:23] <NickPresta> XD @ Goats. I've never seen that before (the attempt). The name should've given it away though.
[01:23] <BluesKaj> no
[01:23] <runlevelten> Not if you configure it right.
[01:23] <janet> how can I make a clickable script that will open the wine program with the command : wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:23] <runlevelten> I'll take a screenie in a sec :)
[01:23] <aaron> runlevelten: thanks.
[01:23] <Biovore> janet: can make a shell script and just click on it..
[01:23] <el_taco> what's the kde equiv of gksu?
[01:23] <NickPresta> el_taco, kdesu
[01:24] <janet> sorry for newbism but how do i make a shell script?
[01:24] <el_taco> NickPresta I feel stupid
[01:24] <kondeDrakul> !floppy
[01:24] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[01:24] <aaron> darnit, where was the systemmenu thing?
[01:24] <aaron> usr/share
[01:24] <cjh> So will KDE added on standard Ubuntu be the equivalent of Kubuntu?
[01:25] <janet> when i say add application to desktop and put wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp under command nothing happens
[01:25] <aaron> you'll have a lot of extra gnome apps.
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> cjh: more or less
[01:25] <Biovore> cjh: yes
[01:25] <janet> if i tye wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp in terminal dreamwaever launches
[01:25] <BluesKaj> el_taco,kdesu
[01:25] <kondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,i mounted the floppy but how format it?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> oops
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> janet: you have to be in the right directory though..
[01:26] <BluesKaj> <-- abit slow tonite
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> !format
[01:26] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:26] <janet> yes in terminal i have to be in the right directory
[01:26] <janet> but i want to make a shortcut that does the wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp command for me
[01:26] <janet> off the desktop
[01:27] <Biovore> you can..
[01:27] <Biovore> cd ~/Desktop/
[01:27] <Biovore> and make a shell script there..  it should show up on the desktop..
[01:28] <janet> do i need more than a text editor to make the script?
[01:28] <Biovore> or make a shell script in put in somewhere in your home directory and create a icon (desktop link) to it..
[01:28] <Biovore> janet: yes..
[01:28] <Biovore> Should be the following 2 lines..
[01:28] <janet> whats a good script editor?
[01:28] <janet> ok
[01:28] <Biovore> #!/bin/bash

[01:28] <Biovore> then make the file as +x (make it executable)
[01:29] <cjh> What is gnomes HD Formater?
[01:29] <Biovore> no clue.. try #ubuntu
[01:29] <cjh> oh sorry, wrong window.
[01:29] <Biovore> :-P
[01:29] <janet> whats the name of an editor for scripts?
[01:29] <janet> thx btw
[01:29] <aaron> nano
[01:30] <el_taco> janet I like jed for console or jedit for a gui
[01:30] <stoned> !w32codecs
[01:30] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[01:30] <el_taco> not same app..
[01:30] <cjh> janet: What kind of script?
[01:30] <janet> to open a wine file
[01:31] <janet> wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp  is the command
[01:31] <janet> when i do that from terminal in the right directory it works perfect
[01:31] <Biovore> I use kate..  any text editor will work..
[01:31] <Biovore> janet: just make a script that has the same line it..
[01:31] <Biovore> should work..
[01:32] <ninhobomba> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:32] <janet> what would the whole script look like ?
[01:32] <stoned> ih
[01:32] <janet> sorry for being a pest
[01:32] <NickPresta> janet, http://pastebin.com/m2ef03c55
[01:32] <aaron> runlevelten: where was that system menu? /usr/share/somethingsoemthign
[01:33] <runlevelten> kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:33] <NickPresta> janet, create a directory called "bin" in your home directory (/home/username/bin). save that script there. Call it startDW (no extension). Then, chmod it (`chmod +x startDW`).
 --^  is all pastebin said
[01:33] <BluesKaj> stoned , actaually the seveas repos has been very slow lately , the medibuntu repos seems a lot more reliable lately
[01:33] <runlevelten> so /usr/share/apps/systemview or ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview
[01:34] <cjh> is it possible to download any fille in a terminal?
[01:34] <aaron> yes
[01:34] <cjh> explain, if you don't mind.
[01:35] <janet> says i cant private message due to unregged user
[01:35] <aaron> what do you want to download?
[01:35] <cjh> Let's say a .flac or .mp4
[01:36] <janet> nickpresta the pastebin addy gave an error and only contained --^  and </div>
[01:36] <stoned> BluesKaj: hmm
[01:36] <NickPresta> janet, I'm creating instructions now. Hold on
[01:36] <stoned> i had to switch to 32bit
[01:37] <stoned> for the time being, but soon as I figure out how to run 32bit mplayer in amd64 i'll be set
[01:37] <stoned> and not with a 32bit chroot env.
[01:37] <cjh> aaron: flac / mp4
[01:37] <aaron> ok
[01:38] <aaron> wget http://server.com/file.mp3
[01:38] <janet> thx presta
[01:38] <ninhobomba> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:38] <cjh> that's it?   Is there a /directory after?
[01:38] <aaron> it will download into your current directory
[01:39] <NickPresta> janet, http://pastebin.ca/663895
[01:40] <BluesKaj> stoned, I've heard others compalin about seveas access probs
[01:40] <stoned> BluesKaj: it worked just fine
[01:40] <cjh> I am sleeping with gnomes sister.
[01:40] <stoned> I just now installed it and it was quite speedy in the download
[01:40] <galathalion> o_O
[01:41] <NickPresta> janet, for step 5, the path should be "/home/YOURUSERNAME/bin/runDW". Sorry about that
[01:41] <BluesKaj> stoned, good ,then they fixed the probs
[01:41] <stoned> BluesKaj: I think so my good man
[01:41] <janet> presta I had to open the link in konqueror ,, now i see it properly, firefox gave an error
[01:42] <ninhobomba_> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: are you running different versions on the two machines?
[01:43] <ninhobomba_> both are kubuntu 7.04
[01:43] <ninhobomba_> up to date
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> different arch? ie one amd 64 and one i386?
[01:44] <cjh> any one know any good Public Access Unix systems?
[01:44] <janet> presta im working on it thanks for the clear instructions
[01:44] <hitmanWilly> cjh: uhh, the internet?
[01:44] <cjh> hitmanWilly: What does that mean?
[01:45] <ninhobomba_> one is amd turionx2, laptop, the other is amd x2 desktop...
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> cjh: the internet runs mostly on unix/linux servers, it was a bad attempt at a joke, sorry
[01:46] <cjh> hitmanWilly: I wish all servers could be accessed like Unix was intended instead of being simply a host. Especially KDE friendly. (Saying so I don't get yelled at)
[01:47] <runlevelten> Right, where was I?
[01:47] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: one is amd turionx2, laptop, the other is amd x2 desktop...
[01:47] <runlevelten> Ah yeah, screenie.
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: hmmm, if you're running the same distro version on both, it should download the same version, did you alter sources.list on either one?
[01:49] <parsnip> hi guys
[01:51] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: only adding repos on the sources.list
[01:51] <janet> presta now when i run runDW it says wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Dreamweaver.exe": Module not found
[01:51] <runlevelten> http://www.mediafire.com/?cene1wyt6sb
[01:51] <janet> sorry for paste
[01:51] <runlevelten> Oh, spot the deliberate mistake btw, heh
[01:51] <janet> in the script do i have to say the ./wine/drivec/programfiles/macromedia  etc
[01:51] <eric_> hi
[01:52] <janet> when executing
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: well, that could be the problem there, if a repo enabled on one machine has a newer version than the default repos, it will download that one, the simplest solution would be to sync sources.list on both machines
[01:52] <doug_> hey, i have kubuntu installed on my hard drive, but every time i run sudo apt-get "package" it asks me to put in the live-cd
[01:52] <parsnip> is there any way of mass renaming files to remove aaaastring from the filenames?
[01:52] <doug_> why does it need it?  it didn't before
[01:52] <runlevelten> Guys - generally with wine shortcuts, change to the directory containing your executables first, mkay?
[01:52] <runlevelten> so cd /path/to/app && wine app.exe
[01:52] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: i'll try that.
[01:52] <parsnip> doug_: try sudo apt-get update
[01:53] <ardchoille> janet: You have to specify the full path unless you "cd" first in a script, yes
[01:53] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: thanks.
[01:53] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: np
[01:53] <janet> so my script so far is this: http://pastebin.ca/663888
[01:53] <runlevelten> aaron ^
[01:53] <parsnip> doug_: any better??
[01:53] <joseph111> i am a newbie at this ubuntu think....does this channel really help me get better?
[01:54] <janet> and iwhen i run it it says cant find C:/ etcso can i ad that to the second line of the script
[01:54] <parsnip> joseph111: If you ask what you are havig difficulty with, yes it will
[01:54] <doug_> parsnip: i think it worked lol
[01:54] <doug_> thanks
[01:54] <joseph111> thanx
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: no worries amn, I always run an update before installing
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: you may want to run sudo apt-get upgrade too
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: to fully update your system
[01:55] <doug_> parsnip: cool thanks
[01:55] <aaron> janet, you're going ot have to give it the whole path to the file
[01:55] <runlevelten> janet: cd /home/you/.wine/drive_c/path/to/dreamweaver && wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp
[01:55] <aaron> like that.
[01:55] <joseph111> im using a vm for my ubuntu...win xp is my host. my wireless adapter isnt supported in ubuntu so i have to bridge network connections. Now, if i wanted to set up a wireless network would i have to do it on win xp or ubuntu?
[01:55] <runlevelten> replace the /home/you/.wine/drive_c/path/to/dreamweaver with the actual directory dreamweaver is in.
[01:56] <runlevelten> Don't use C: and all that jazz, use the real directory name :)
[01:56] <janet> and that goes in the launch script?
[01:56] <runlevelten> yeah
[01:56] <janet> ok brb
[01:57] <runlevelten> joseph111: I'm not a vmware expert, but you shouldn't have to get into what the real hardware is with vmware.
[01:58] <joseph111> ok thanx.
[01:58] <aaron> joseph111: set it up in windows.
[01:58] <runlevelten> provide the network capability in the host OS, then the pretend network card in the guest will be workable :)
[01:58] <aaron> or set it to NAT.
[01:58] <joseph111> ok kool that will work i think'
[01:59] <joseph111> wats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu 7.04
[01:59] <aaron> kde and gnome
[01:59] <joseph111> i have no idea wat kde is and wat gnome is
[02:00] <aaron> then shut your eyes and pick one.
[02:00] <aaron> :)
[02:00] <joseph111> lol
[02:00] <joseph111> and xubuntu is that gnome too?
[02:00] <aaron> no
[02:00] <aaron> that's XFCE
[02:00] <joseph111> ok ill google them
[02:00] <cjh> I have Ubuntu, but KDE is now installed.  How do I switch to the KDE Desktop?
[02:00] <aaron> gnome, kde, or xfce are everything beyond the command line.
[02:00] <janet> i think its getting hung up at the folder name dreamweaver 8  ... is there a way i can write that properly?
[02:00] <aaron> the graphical part.
[02:00] <parsnip> is there anyway to remove a word from the filename a whole bunch of files in a folder?
[02:00] <parsnip> does anyone know at all?
[02:01] <aaron> i do in windows :)
[02:01] <parsnip> aaron: do tell please, it may help
[02:01] <ardchoille> parsnip: You can use a for loop
[02:02] <joseph111> i have another question. i have about 80 gig of hd, should i or shouldnt i run 3 operating systems at once?
[02:02] <janet> is there a way I can write the folder name dreamweaver 8 so that terminal will accept it as a file path?
[02:02] <parsnip> joseph111: you can run as many as you can store on the drive
[02:02] <aaron> i use mass file renamer
[02:03] <parsnip> aaron: I'm using linux unfortunately and the command line is far more powerful, I'm just trying to learn som e new stuff without having to rename it manually
[02:04] <aaron> then you'd better learn awk, and regular expressions
[02:05] <runlevelten> Ah.
[02:05] <runlevelten> Did you get that last comment aaron?
[02:05] <aaron> yup
[02:05] <aaron> where is the trash folder?
[02:05] <ardchoille> trash:/  (in konq)
[02:06] <aaron> naw, the real folder
[02:06] <aaron> the actual location
[02:06] <Biovore> ~/.trash I think..
[02:06] <joseph111> is there any way to change my ubuntu from gnome to xfce or to kde. i want to try all of them out?
[02:06] <Biovore> maybe ~/.kde/trash
[02:06] <parsnip> aaron: yeah im working on it
[02:06] <aaron> ah. big T
[02:06] <ardchoille> ~/.local/share/Trash
[02:06] <Biovore> joseph111: yes.. apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <parsnip> aaron: i can use the gui, I just fancied some command line hints :)
[02:06] <joseph111> that easy?
[02:06] <Biovore> yup
[02:06] <aaron> for that, i'd choose the gui
[02:06] <runlevelten> Yep
[02:07] <Biovore> all the ubuntus are the same except for the front end gui
[02:07] <aaron> joseph111: that just installs them.
[02:07] <joseph111> then to go back i do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop ????
[02:07] <Biovore> yup
[02:07] <aaron> the screen where you put your username and passowrd in, that's where you choose which one you want to use.
[02:07] <joseph111> ok u said that just installs them
[02:07] <joseph111> what do i have to do next?
[02:07] <Biovore> that will install gnome and xface ubuntu setups
[02:08] <runlevelten> joseph111: what aaron said
[02:08] <joseph111> so i install then i get to chose which to use at startup?
[02:08] <Biovore> logout.. and maybe reboot. . (don't need a reboot, just might be the simplest way for someone new to ubuuntu)
[02:08] <ardchoille> You chose which desktop you want to use by selecting it at the login screen
[02:08] <aaron> ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:08] <joseph111> oh ok thanx people. u are all very helpfull unlike other channels
[02:08] <runlevelten> on that screen, you choose your desktop of choice for that sesh from the "session" menu
[02:08] <jerod> ciao
[02:08] <jerod> @lista
[02:09] <jerod> !list
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[02:09] <aaron> !sleep
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[02:09] <parsnip> aaron: got it
[02:09] <runlevelten> That's something I must do.
[02:09] <parsnip> aaron: mv -v "$FILE" `echo $FILE | tr ' ' '_' `
[02:10] <janet> if im in terminal and im trying to write a folder name called dreamweaver 8  , how can i write the folder name without having the space between dreamweaver and 8 ???  thx
[02:10] <joseph111> if i dont like the xubuntu desktop do i unistall it the normal way?
[02:10] <aaron> yes.
[02:11] <ardchoille> janet: You need to escape spaces with a "\"  so "dreamweaver 8" would be "dreamweaver\ 8"
[02:11] <ardchoille> or 'dreamweaver 8'
[02:11] <janet> cheers
[02:11] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: like a cli version of krename ?
[02:12] <hitmanWilly> oh, there's one already, heh...
[02:12] <ardchoille> well, it's a gui, but yeah
[02:12] <hitmanWilly> well, a cli version would be nice too
[02:12] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: Tho, an interactive bash script would be cool
[02:13] <janet> if i was trying to enter /home/janet/.wine/drive_c  etc  should i start witha / before /home?
[02:13] <janet> cd /home/janet/.wine ... is that right?
[02:13] <ardchoille> There are times when I don't even run xorg, just screen+irssi+elinks+mutt. My xorg was broke once and I was like "pfft, I'll fix it next week.
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> it wouldn't even need to be interactive, batch-rn <add or strip> <dir> <string_to_add_remove>
[02:14] <ardchoille> janet: yes, you need "/" before home
[02:14] <ardchoille> janet: That tells the system to start in the /home dir
[02:14] <Biovore> janet: yes..
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> probably with a recursive flag as well
[02:15] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: Well, you'd need to allow the user to specify what they wanted to strip/add no?
[02:15] <ardchoille> Maybe using case in the script?
[02:15] <ardchoille> or return?
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but most cli users could handle that...
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> something along those lines...
[02:16] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39023
[02:16] <BluesKaj> "and I was like"...i guess that expression subs for " I thought" :) , but don't mind me I'm just old and grumpy ,and believe in the best english sentence structure, and grammar possible.
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> oh well, just thinking out loud, more or less
[02:17] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: you could augment the script so that it can also change file extensions
[02:17] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39024
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille: yeah, that was definately something i was planning
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> dang, this script is getting longer by the minute, lol
[02:18] <ardchoille> lol!
[02:18] <runlevelten> batch rename scripts do.
[02:19] <linux_user400354> could someone tell me the command to turn compiz fusion off? compiz --replace emerald turned it on
[02:19] <linux_user400354>  i tried compiz --replace metacity and that didnt work
[02:20] <Biovore> #beryl
[02:20] <Biovore> !beryl
[02:20] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:20] <Biovore> see #ubuntu-effects
[02:22] <runlevelten> night all.
[02:23] <tobias> linux_user400354: you might just want to relog?! :o
[02:23] <joseph> i did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <tobias> or if you find another possibility - tell me please
[02:23] <joseph> then nothing showed on restart
[02:23] <tobias> "nothing" ?
[02:23] <joseph> didnt ask whether i wanted xubuntu or gnome
[02:23] <Biovore> there is an option for session
[02:24] <Biovore> you have to select it when you log in.. its a menu
[02:24] <joseph> it loaded normally onto my gnome but no option for xfce
[02:24] <tobias>  in your loginscreen
[02:24] <tobias> there is menue
[02:24] <tobias> as Biovore said already
[02:24] <tobias> ._.
[02:24] <ardchoille> joseph: You have to choose it from the Session menu item in the login screen
[02:24] <joseph> ok seesion
[02:24] <joseph> wats the session name?
[02:24] <Biovore> xfce
[02:24] <joseph> is it xclient?
[02:24] <Biovore> gnome
[02:24] <Biovore> kde
[02:24] <ardchoille> KDE or gnome or xfce ?
[02:24] <joseph> i did not see any of those when i tried that
[02:25] <linux_user400354> tobias: metacity --replace does the trick
[02:25] <joseph> i will check again. can i just do a log out user then select it or i need restart?
[02:25] <tobias> linux_user400354: kay thanks
[02:25] <Biovore> yeah.. just log out and check..
[02:25] <ardchoille> joseph: don't need a restart
[02:25] <tobias> logout is enough
[02:25] <ardchoille> restart isn't really needed unless you're doing kernel work, is it?
[02:26] <tobias> correct
[02:26] <tobias>  :)
[02:26] <ardchoille> Thought so
[02:31] <janet> thanks a million for all your help creating a script to launch a wine program
[02:32] <janet> very much appreciated
[02:32] <ardchoille> :)
[02:32] <ardchoille> janet: Once you learn how to make your own scripts, the possibilities are endless.
[02:32] <janet> i just needed to get the path to filename all correct (noi easy task)
[02:33] <ardchoille> I made one that sets up the system after a fresh install, requiring me to be in front of the computer for a total of ten minutes after a fresh install.
[02:34] <drew_> i need a little help with bryl
[02:34] <ardchoille> drew_: You might wanna join #ubuntu-effects
[02:34] <drew_> otay'
[02:36] <drew_> it wont connect
[02:36] <drew_> thats great for me
[02:36] <ardchoille> drew_: What won't connect?
[02:37] <drew_> i cant connect to #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <drew_> name lookup fails
[02:37] <drew_> -_-
[02:37] <BluesKaj> drew_, in the server textbox type /join #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <ardchoille> I used "/join #ubuntu-effects" and there's 77 people there
[02:38] <ardchoille> or ctrl+j in konversation
[02:38] <dwidmann> rather than /join blah blah blah, why not just clikc it if you're using a graphical IRC program
[02:39] <dwidmann> blue text = link :)
[02:39] <ardchoille> dwidmann: Ah, never knew konv did that, cool
[02:39] <jhutchins> dwidmann: blue text = YOUR client.
[02:39] <BluesKaj> doesn't always work , dwidmann
[02:39] <joseph> whenever i install something, it says that it will use x amound to hd space.....when i sudo apt-get remove something, it says it will free y amount of space.....why is it that my y amount of freed space is so much less than x....am i only removing the package???
[02:39] <dwidmann> jhutchins: indeed, t hough, Konversation is really common in here I would suppose.
[02:40] <dwidmann> anyhow, brb, gonna switch to my lappy
[02:40] <ardchoille> joseph: Are you also removing any deps and conf files?
[02:40] <jhutchins> Yeah, not surprizing that not a lot of people are using kopete.
[02:40] <joseph> i have no idea im a newb...i just want to completely remove xubuntu-desktop but it said it only freed 41 k  of hd which seems very small
[02:41] <jhutchins> Free space needed includes scripts that are deleted when the install is done, temp files that get removed, etc.
[02:41] <ardchoille> joseph: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove xubuntu-desktop ?   You might look at what that removes before actually hitting the enter key.
[02:42] <joseph> does sudo apt-get remove "something"  actually remove the entire program or is it just equivalent to deleting the install file on windows
[02:42] <ardchoille> "-purge" removes conf files, "--auto-remove" removes deps that are no longer needed.
[02:43] <joseph> so if i install xubuntu desktop and dont want it, wat would i type to completely remove everything to do wiht it?
[02:43] <ardchoille> joseph: remove should remove the package, but, by itself, wont remove conf files and deps
[02:43] <ardchoille> joseph: You want to return to kde?
[02:43] <jhutchins> joseph: remove actually removes most of the installed files and runs a script to remove entries in config files, startup, cronjobs, etc.
[02:43] <joseph> i want to stay on gnome
[02:44] <ardchoille> joseph:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:44] <jhutchins> joseph: If you've modified config files, or if they were automatically modified for your system, or if you have per-user config files, those aren't delted by a standard remove.
[02:44] <dwidmann> okay, I'm back.
[02:44] <tobias> good night everyone
[02:44] <joseph> ok thanx
[02:44] <jhutchins> joseph: Also see #ubuntu, this is support for the kde version.
[02:46] <joseph> ok umm is there a way for me to check how much hd space i have in ubuntu?
[02:46] <ardchoille> joseph: df   (or man df)
[02:46] <joseph> thanx
[02:47] <dwidmann> another good way is with filelight
[02:47] <joseph> is dev/hda1 the main hard drive?
[02:47] <ardchoille> joseph: normally
[02:48] <ardchoille> joseph: hda1 is the first partiton on the master drive on the first IDE channel
[02:48] <jhutchins> joseph: mount will tell you what partition is what
[02:48] <dwidmann> normally on older systems ... not so much so on newer ones ...
[02:48] <jhutchins> joseph: fdisk -l will show you all the partitions.
[02:50] <joseph> i did a test, fore install xchat then i removed xchat and now its up to 3113416k     usi had used up 3107904 k  beed up hd .....how do i get it back to 3107904
[02:50] <joseph> damn i cant type let me rephrase that
[02:50] <ardchoille> lol
[02:51] <ardchoille> joseph: Did you also remove deps, conf files and ~/.xchat  ?
[02:51] <joseph> before installing xchat, i had 3107904 hd used up, after sudo apt-get remove xchat  i have 3113416k   why am i not back down to 3107904k
[02:52] <joseph> im a newb just started lkinux 3 days ago
[02:52] <ardchoille> joseph: What was installed along with xchat?
[02:52] <joseph> just give me the command to totaly wipe the files
[02:52] <joseph> not sure
[02:52] <mrksbrd> jhutchins....I found out what that problem was earlier
[02:53] <mrksbrd> when i have it set to burn right after downloading somehow some way it screws up the iso
[02:53] <dwidmann> joseph: it probably had loads of dependencies to install along with ...
[02:53] <ardchoille> joseph: Try this, see how much hd space you have, the,  "sudo apt-get install xchat" see how much it uses. Then "sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove xchat" and see how much you have.
[02:54] <joseph> so that should work right?
[02:54] <ardchoille> That's what I do, has been good for me for a while.
[02:54] <joseph> ok ill try
[02:54] <ardchoille> joseph: Also, "rm -r ~/.xchat" if you won't be using it any longer.
[02:55] <joseph> wats that rm thing do
[02:55] <joseph> ur sudo apt-get remove--purge--auto-remove xchat doesnt work
[02:56] <joseph> invalid operation
[02:56] <BluesKaj> rm = remove
[02:57] <ardchoille> joseph: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove   (mind the spaces)
[02:57] <joseph> so that "rm -r ~/.xchat    removes the folders?
[02:57] <joseph> oh ok thanx didnt seethose spaces
[02:57] <BluesKaj> from you home folder
[02:57] <ardchoille> joseph: That removes any xchat files you have in your $HOME
[02:58] <ardchoille> joseph: Keep in mind that most people have 200+gb hard drives and will never fill them up. Mine are 250gb x 2 (hda and hdb) and I have never used more than 25% of either drive.
[02:59] <dwidmann> ardchoille: I'd say that only really effects people who have gotten computers in the last couple of years really
[02:59] <joseph> nice. i got a lousy 80 gig
[02:59] <dedi> my video playback has a lot of small hangs, stops for about an half second. tried ati and fglrx drivers, tried also diffrent output modules. amd 3200+ 64bit with ati x800 on kubuntu feisty
[02:59] <joseph> and im running double os
[03:00] <ardchoille> dwidmann: Well, I have never usedmore than 20 gb on any of my boxes and I have been with Linux since 2001
[03:00] <joseph> i have an external with 250 gb but its only ntfs
[03:00] <dwidmann> I've been known to fill hard drives when I put my mind to it. Virtual machines take up a lot of space.
[03:01] <ardchoille> joseph: Would be cool to buy a 250+gb and use it as your main drive and use that 80gb as a storage device for backups or something :)
[03:01] <ardchoille> I use hdb to store daily backups
[03:01] <dwidmann> Could probably get a 500gb hdd on tiger direct if it's on sale.
[03:01] <joseph> ya tru but im on a laptop so external would be slow
[03:01] <ardchoille> true
[03:01] <dwidmann> **for $100
[03:01] <ardchoille> joseph: Ah, lappy? Didn't know that.
[03:02] <joseph> externals are slow and unfortunately i have one that cant be reformatted
[03:02] <dwidmann> ack, laptop hdds are expensive and always have lower capacity ... they also tend to be slow.
[03:02] <dwidmann> I've got a 160gb 5400rpm ...
[03:02] <ardchoille> joseph: I've never heard of a drive that can't be formatted
[03:03] <joseph> i have one of those 250 gb fantom drives with ntfs and on the box it said wont work with linux...ubuntu can get files from it though, but it cant write files to it.....i also right clicked the drive on windows and clicked format but only one choice showed up, "ntfs"
[03:05] <ardchoille> Won't work with Linux? I don't think that's possible.. it's just a device. Yeah, Windows doesn't want you using anything but their setup, so it won't show anything else. I bet that device can be formatted to ext3 easily.
[03:05] <dwidmann> joseph: it can, but it will take a bit of work
[03:05] <dwidmann> !ntfs | joseph
[03:05] <ubotu> joseph: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:05] <Biovore> ardchoille: yes it can :-)
[03:06] <joseph> ok how would i go about reformating this evil drive
[03:06] <BluesKaj> joseph, do you have a partition editor live cd like GParted ...you could try it to reformat the drive
[03:06] <dwidmann> !ntfs-3g | joseph
[03:06] <ubotu> joseph: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:06] <joseph> thanx ubotu ill look it up
[03:06] <dwidmann> I vote for nuking the drive the good old fashioned way, with fdisk.
[03:06] <ardchoille> !bot | joseph
[03:06] <ubotu> joseph: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:06] <Biovore> joseph: if its a standard usb mastorage device.. you can reformat like any other disk..
[03:07] <ardchoille> Biovore: That's what I thought
[03:07] <joseph> so its just windows being a bitch thats making it hard for me?
[03:07] <ardchoille> joseph: Don't let Microshaft limit you :)
[03:07] <Biovore> yes..
[03:07] <joseph> lol
[03:07] <Biovore> actualy.. you can read ext2/3 in windows with the extfsd program..
[03:07] <joseph> wat program u guys reccomend so that i can reformat it
[03:08] <Biovore> I use mkfs.ext3 /dev/<whatever it is>
[03:08] <Biovore> from the command line..
[03:08] <joseph> ill figure it out lol
[03:08] <ardchoille> He might be better off using a gui being that he is new to Linux.
[03:08] <joseph> it cant be too hard
[03:09] <Biovore> ardchoille: will qparted do?
[03:09] <ardchoille> YEah, I use that
[03:09] <Biovore> I that will work.. I have never tried it though..
[03:09] <dwidmann> ardchoille: easier though it may be, that's typically not as reliable.
[03:09] <ardchoille> gparted is good too
[03:09] <joseph> yes give me something with a gui its easier for now
[03:09] <joseph> ok ill get gparted
[03:09] <Biovore> qparted should be installed
[03:09] <ardchoille> joseph: If you're running gnome, look into using gparted.
[03:09] <dwidmann> qtparted is on the live cd
[03:10] <ardchoille> atparted for kde
[03:10] <Biovore> I know it will do USB devices..  I use the live cd to install ubuntu onto a USB hardisk.. and then boot from the usb hardisk..
[03:10] <joseph> gnome here <<<<<<
[03:10] <ardchoille> gparted
[03:10] <ardchoille> Is gparted on the ubuntu livecd?
[03:10] <Biovore> yup
[03:11] <ardchoille> Ah, cool.. saves him work
[03:11] <Biovore> he could just install linux on the usb harddisk.. if his bios support USB boot..
[03:11] <joseph> ok where is gparted, i just installed it and tried alt+f2 but it said i needed root access or something
[03:11] <ardchoille> joseph: gksudo gparted
[03:11] <joseph> wat does the gk do?
[03:12] <ardchoille> !gksudo
[03:12] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[03:12] <ardchoille> that is a graphical "sudo"
[03:12] <joseph> ok thanx ill plug in my hd
[03:13] <ardchoille> joseph: And, if you're planning on sticking with gnome, you might want to also join #ubuntu
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Biovore, qtparted is on the ubuntu live cd , not GParted '
[03:14] <joseph> oh ok lol i didnt know i was on kubuntu lol
[03:14] <intelikey> i want to use xmessage from a console    what has to change for that to work ?
[03:14] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: A qt admin app on the Ubuntu live cd?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> check your kubuntu live cd
[03:15] <flaccid> anyone got cisco vpn client going under gutsy
[03:15] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: We we referring to the Ubuntu live cd, not Kubuntu
[03:15] <BluesKaj> GParted is on the Ubuntu live cd ...sorry
[03:15] <joseph> i dont know why they need ubuntu xubuntu and kubuntu channels....they are all the same..only the look is different
[03:16] <ardchoille> YEah, that has confused me a time or two also
[03:16] <BluesKaj> ok , my mistake ...I'l go back ti the Kubuntu Corner :)
[03:16] <ardchoille> joseph: Well, it's good to separate the desktop envs, I've seen over a thousand folks in #ubuntu
[03:16] <BluesKaj> I usually assume ppl are talking Kubuntu stuff in here :)
[03:17] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I was a bit ot I think, sorry
[03:17] <joseph> ok umm my gparted cant find the external hd...any of u know a good windows partitioner
[03:17] <intelikey> anyone  ?
[03:17] <kavon> Hoe do I get rid of the " ? " button at the top of windows. I don't like it.
[03:17] <kavon> How*
[03:18] <intelikey> this is a kde question,      Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server  \n Xlib: No protocol specified
[03:18] <intelikey> Error: Can't open display: :0
[03:18] <ardchoille> kavon: You can remove that button in the window manager config, hold on, I'll find it..
[03:18] <BluesKaj> but GParted is a good app , nontheless...use it frequently
[03:18] <kavon> yay, thanks ardchoille
[03:18] <joseph> any of u know a god windows partition program . gparted cant find my external
[03:18] <joseph> good*
[03:18] <kavon> i've been lookin all over to get rid of it
[03:18] <ardchoille> kavon: open kcontrol, then go to Apprearance & Themes > Window Decorations and look in the "Buttons" tab
[03:19] <flaccid> joseph: qtparted
[03:19] <joseph> thats for windows or linux?
[03:19] <flaccid> if gparted can't find, then there is probably a problem
[03:19] <ardchoille> kavon: You can drag and drop those buttons
[03:19] <flaccid> for windows, go buy partition magic
[03:19] <joseph> lol ill pirate it
[03:19] <ardchoille> lol
[03:19] <flaccid> joseph: we don't codone pirating software
[03:20] <kavon> I'm at System Settings, I only see Look & Feel
[03:20] <flaccid> parition logic is the free alternative
[03:20] <joseph> lol
[03:20] <kavon> inside that catagory is Apperance, Desktop, Splash Screen, Window Behavior
[03:20] <joseph> it may not recognize my external because im on virtal machine but im not sure
[03:20] <ardchoille> kavon: open kcontrol
[03:20] <BluesKaj> flaccid ...that's bad advice , partition magic is nso magic ...it breaks ppls systems unstable even in windoiws
[03:21] <kavon> ok
[03:21] <flaccid> BluesKaj: please provide evidence. partitioning software is risky no matter which you are using
[03:21] <kavon> got i!
[03:21] <BluesKaj> I bought it ...regret it ever since
[03:21] <kavon> got it! thanks
[03:21] <ardchoille> kavon: Ah, you can also go to Appearance and then Window Decorations (I hate that system settings gui)
[03:21] <joseph> so i shouldnt use this partition magic?
[03:21] <flaccid> qtparted has broke many installs. usually the user's fault.
[03:21] <intelikey> what has to be changed to allow xmessage to connect to kde ?
[03:22] <flaccid> joseph: you can use whatever you like. we support ubuntu here.
[03:22] <BluesKaj> if GParted can't find the drive partitions then partition magic won't either
[03:22] <joseph> ill be bck in a bit im going on windows
[03:23] <intelikey> BluesKaj not too fast    he said "vertual machine"
[03:24] <flaccid> BluesKaj: yep thats why i said its likely some other problem. joseph you should look manually with fdisk command
[03:24] <intelikey> if partition magic is ran in the root env rather than a virt  it probably will find it
[03:24] <BluesKaj> well, that "partition magic" word  scares the life outta me , is all
[03:24] <ardchoille> lol
[03:24] <BluesKaj> ruined a a perfectly good setup
[03:24] <intelikey> also if *parted were ran from the root env it would probably find it...
[03:24] <flaccid> pqmagic has been more reliable to me than gtparted/qtparted....
[03:25] <flaccid> usually the user is the problem or there is an error or problem on the disk/parts...
[03:25] <flaccid> can't blame the software for such things
[03:25] <BluesKaj> flaccid , then you're lucky
[03:25] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah i'm not advocating it's use i'm just saying   the problem may be the virtual machine setup
[03:25] <flaccid> i would never run a partitioning program through virtualisation.
[03:26] <flaccid> :)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> yup, no doubt
[03:26] <intelikey> ^   yeah that
[03:26] <BluesKaj> agreed on the t for sure
[03:26] <ardchoille> intelikey: Never used xmessage.. is it anything like kdialog ?
[03:26] <intelikey> ardchoille it's like echo for the gui   but kde blockes all outside contact    somehow
[03:27] <ardchoille> oh
[03:27] <ardchoille> intelikey: Would kdialog work for you?
[03:27] <intelikey> like even if you run   sudo xmessage 'testing'   in a konsole it errors out
[03:28] <intelikey> ardchoille i'll look but i doubt it
[03:28] <joseph> can linux read and write on fat32?
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> joseph, yup
[03:28] <coreymon77> joseph: yup
[03:28] <ardchoille> intelikey: kdialog --msgbox Testing
[03:28] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: wow, that was odd
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> yeah...esp? lol
[03:29] <Schuenemann> hi, I changed my motherboard and processor, and now I can't start kubuntu (using windows now)
[03:29] <Schuenemann> I get a black screen and if I use recovery mode, I can't start X
[03:29] <ardchoille> intelikey: Here are some examples for kdialog:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39025
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, did you change architecture? ie amd to i386?
[03:30] <Schuenemann> nope, both are pentium 4
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, vid card change?
[03:30] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:30] <coreymon77> that could be it
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, that may be the issue right there
[03:30] <Schuenemann> yes, I think so
[03:30] <Schuenemann> how do I get the default xorg.conf^?
[03:31] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: There may be a backup of it before it was edited
[03:31] <Schuenemann> I have edited it many times
[03:31] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, if you have a live-cd, you can chroot into your current install and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:31] <Schuenemann> ahh, I was looking for that command
[03:32] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: look in   /etc/X11  and see if there's a backup
[03:32] <coreymon77> shouldnt a running a hardware probe fix that
[03:32] <Schuenemann> how will I know the correct setting for this card?
[03:32] <intelikey> ardchoille  no.   kdialog: cannot connect to X server
[03:32] <ardchoille> intelikey: Ah, ok
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, what card is it?
[03:32] <intelikey> ardchoille same reason.   of course.  i just don't know what to do to it to change that.
[03:33] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: couldn running a vid card hadware prob set it up properly
[03:33] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, that's what I don't know :p
[03:33] <ardchoille> intelikey: I have kdialog here and it pops up nice gui message boxes.
[03:33] <Schuenemann> I only know it's onboard and the motherboard is intel
[03:33] <intelikey> ardchoille test in a konsole.    sudo kdialog 'testing'
[03:33] <joseph> u guys said partition magic is dangerous. if i use it on my external hd then can it harm anything on my internal hd?
[03:33] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, lspci should show it
[03:33] <Schuenemann> pci?
[03:33] <Schuenemann> but it's onboard
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, most onboard cards use the pci bus
[03:34] <ardchoille> intelikey: Works here
[03:34] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:34] <chupie> i am trying to install kubuntu on my imac ( the bondi one ) but its freezing when booting from the cd
[03:34] <coreymon77> joseph: realistically, no, but PM would find a way to do it
[03:34] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try it later, thank you
[03:34] <joseph> lol
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or if that doesn't work, lshw should
[03:34] <intelikey> ardchoille ok,  your setup and mine are not alike.   now if we can determine what has changed...
[03:34] <Schuenemann> k
[03:34] <coreymon77> chupie: is the mac intel based or ppc?
[03:34] <chupie> ppc
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, do you have the mobo manual around, it should list it in there as well
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: well then are you sure you are using the ppc version?
[03:35] <chupie> yes
[03:35] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, mobo?
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: if the cd is the intel version, of course its not going to work
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> motherboard
[03:35] <ardchoille> intelikey: I use nvidia on a DELL P793 monitor and have vga=791 on the end of my kernel lines.. does that help?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> nol, I don't have any manual
[03:35] <dcosson> HALP - I felt like trying Gnome again, so I installed ubuntu-desktop, and then I remembered all the reasons I don't like it... is there a quick way to remove all these crazy Gnome apps?
[03:35] <chupie> yeah, its the ppc version
[03:35] <joseph> ok i have partition magic running and it seems to be able to convert my external hd to ext2 ext3 and ntfs...im mainly patitioning because i want windows and linux to be able to access the drive....if i convert to ext2 or 3 will windows be able to access it?
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: maybe its a bad cd?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, my previous motherboard got messed and someone gave me this
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, well, if you know the model, you could google it
[03:36] <chupie> burned two cds
[03:36] <chupie> i am downloading the alternate install cd
[03:36] <Schuenemann> yeah, seems reasonable
[03:36] <chupie> to see if it will work
[03:36] <coreymon77> joseph: are you trying to change the fs without loosing any data on the drive?
[03:36] <joseph> fs?
[03:37] <coreymon77> joseph: filesystem
[03:37] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, you think it could run well (glx and stuff), not being nvidia?
[03:37] <joseph> i can storre the data on my internal hd while i change fs so no
[03:37] <intelikey> ardchoille heh  no   :)
[03:37] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, maybe, maybe not, nvidia seems to run the best on nix machines
[03:37] <coreymon77> joseph: okay then, yes windows will be able to probably access it
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: but you would need to download the drivers
[03:38] <Schuenemann> yeah... =(
[03:38] <Schuenemann> I had nvidia
[03:38] <joseph> so windows recognzes the ext3 filesystem?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, plug in card or built in?
[03:38] <intelikey> ardchoille i'm searching for things to compair   give me just a sec.
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: not out of the box no
[03:38] <joseph> i just wanna be sure
[03:38] <Schuenemann> plugin
[03:38] <joseph> damn
[03:38] <chupie> well i was able to install debian, but i was having problems w/ Xorg.. prolly kubuntu is going to do the same thing, X would start, but would freeze at the login screen
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: but there are plugins that do it
[03:38] <Schuenemann> but this motherboard doesn't have agp
[03:38] <ardchoille> intelikey: with sudo I get an error stating cannot connect to x server but the messagebox pops up anyway. Try it without sudo?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, why not just pull the card from the old machine and plug it into this one?
[03:38] <joseph> why dont i get the option to convert to fat32?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok :P
[03:39] <joseph> do i need a different partitioner?
[03:39] <joseph> or will all partitioners show only ext3 and ntfs?
[03:39] <ardchoille> intelikey: Maybe you need "env=DISPLAY:0." ?
[03:39] <coreymon77> joseph: fat32 is also called vfat sometimes
[03:39] <intelikey> display is set.
[03:39] <ardchoille> ok
[03:40] <intelikey> ardchoille would you  ps -A x | grep '/usr/bin/X' | grep -v grep       for me please ?
[03:40] <joseph> u guys think that putting in a windows 98 disk will give me the option to partition with fat32?
[03:40] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may want to invest in a pci-e vid card, if you want to do any heavy opengl stuff
[03:40] <ardchoille> intelikey: I only mentioned env=DISPLAY:0. because I had to add that to a cronjob to get a gui to work in crontab
[03:40] <intelikey> yes  i know it has to know what display to output too.
[03:41] <ardchoille> intelikey:  Returns:  5171 tty7     SLs+   5:51 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-ym3kL0
[03:41] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, yeah, but I wanted to buy a better computer (dual core) and didn't want to spend any money with this old one
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: you can partition with fat32
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: what partitioner
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> heh, ok, probably a crappy intel card tho...
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: PM?
[03:41] <joseph> im using partition magic but it wont give me the option
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: well pm is shit
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: qtparted can do it
[03:42] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, if it can run blender, it's ok for me
[03:42] <joseph> i once read that fat32 i think is for hd's up to 60 gig or somewhere around there, above that, it will become ntfs
[03:42] <joseph> ok thanx ill try qtparted.
[03:42] <ardchoille> intelikey: I'm thinking that the reason xmessage isn't working is the same reason kdialog isn't working for you
[03:42] <joseph> is it windows or linux, this qtparted?
[03:42] <coreymon77> lin
[03:42] <ardchoille> Linux
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may try swapping X to vesa mode and running the restricted manager, it seems to do a decent job of vid card detection
[03:43] <Schuenemann> I'll try dpkg-reconfigure
[03:43] <Schuenemann> thanks
[03:43] <intelikey> ardchoille ok i think i found     i have an   " -audit 0 "   in that string.  that's probably what's doing it.
[03:43] <intelikey> maybe anyway.
[03:44] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure what that does, but it sounds like it's worth checking out
[03:46] <Rick_Kisser> aew povo!
[03:46] <Rick_Kisser> hey all!
[03:47] <intelikey> nothing else different in the two processes  except the location of the auth file  and that's not it.
[03:51] <intelikey> -audit int             set audit trail level
[03:51] <intelikey> not sure what that does...
[03:52] <ardchoille> intelikey: This is a failry new (3 days?) install and I don't usually change anything other than installing nvidia drivers.
[03:54] <intelikey> yeah wasn't expecting you to have changed anything.   this is dapper(6.6)  and that's feisty(7.4) ?      i was expecting the dev's to have changed things.
[03:55] <ardchoille> intelikey: Yes, Feisty here
[03:55] <ardchoille> intelikey: I never used kdialog in dapper, I was a gnome user then.
[03:55] <intelikey> dev's can mess a lot of things up in 10 months   :)
[03:55] <ardchoille> But, Zenity worked great too
[03:55] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:56] <intelikey> well the primary user to the box i'm wanting to communicate arbitrarrily with is a kde fan    so i need to know how to force a message onto a kde system.
[03:57] <intelikey> and so far i'm 0 for 5   :)
[03:57] <intelikey> in baseball that would end the series
[03:57] <intelikey> 0 for 4 would actually
[03:59] <ardchoille> intelikey: This is being done over a network? I don't recall if kdialog can even do that.
[03:59] <intelikey> i could use things like   eject   and  echo -e "\a" > /dev/dsp    to get their attention  but they'd freek.   and that's not the desired end.
[03:59] <ardchoille> lol
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> heh
[04:00] <intelikey> ardchoille yes and yes.   it's over a network  and it can cause it's local to the ssh account running it.
[04:00] <ardchoille> Ah, fair point
[04:02] <reaper> Oi
[04:03] <intelikey> reaper
[04:03] <intelikey> i scared him off...
[04:04] <joseph> anyone here ever have to deal with bcm4318?
[04:04] <intelikey> that;s witr
[04:04] <intelikey> wireless ?
[04:04] <joseph> yes
[04:04] <intelikey> not i.
[04:05] <intelikey> did you try the docs ?
[04:05] <intelikey> !wifi | joseph
[04:05] <ubotu> joseph: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:05] <WaltzingAlong> joseph: with bcm43xx or with ndiswrapper?
[04:05] <joseph> both
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> oh, broadcom, ok...heh
[04:06] <joseph> nvm wasnt something to be concerned about now that i bridge connections
[04:06] <joseph> was a problem when i used to dual boot
[04:10] <intelikey> i think the mig welder would sow the seem up on this box...
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, heh, find a way to pull off the heat, and braise vice weld, and you may have an idea
[04:10] <stoned> hi
[04:10] <stoned> whats a good docker for kde
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> stoned, maybe kooldock?
[04:11] <intelikey> kdocker ?
[04:11] <intelikey> it's not in the repos  but sourceforge has it
[04:12] <intelikey> hmmm heat sync...     ummm weld it in a water tank ?
[04:13] <intelikey> not sure what emersion will do to the hd tho
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> that's another issue, unless its DI water
[04:14] <intelikey> could use heavy water...  :)
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> id say pull out the mobo first, but that'd kinda defeat the purpose XD
[04:14] <intelikey> :)
[04:14] <intelikey> tob
[04:14] <spectre256> hi all, i've got a laptop here i'm installing kubuntu on. it's got a VIA rhine ethernet adapter and while it worked great with the gentoo installation that was on it previously, and with most live cds, kubuntu just doesn't like it. any thoughts?
[04:15] <jmichaelx> joseph: you need to use fwcutter
[04:15] <jmichaelx> to get your broadcom card working
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, sounds like a kernel driver issue, you may need to compile your own module
[04:16] <intelikey> jmichaelx know anything about setting kde/sorg to accept outside appe ?
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, do you have build-essential and the kernel source installed?
[04:17] <spectre256> hitmanWilly, no this is just using the install cd. kubuntu isn't actually installed yet
[04:18] <jmichaelx> intelikey: hmmm i don't think i do...
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, ahh, kinda hard to recompile then :)
[04:18] <intelikey> jmichaelx k thanks any way
[04:18] <jmichaelx> yw
[04:18] <spectre256> hitmanWilly, yeah and why do i have a feeling that in order to compile anything i'd have to download the source from the internet which requires ethernet...oops
[04:19] <stdin> spectre256: have you tried doing "sudo modprobe via-rhine" ?
[04:20] <spectre256> stdin, no, but the interface is detected, and actually sometimes it even gets an IP from DHCP, but then it doesn't work consistently
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, oh yeah, but there may be a workaround for that too, you can install build-essential off the cd IIRC, and use a live-cd of gentoo or something to chroot into the hd install
[04:20] <spectre256> stdin, and actually, if i try to manually enable and then disable the interface, the entire machien locks up
[04:21] <spectre256> my first thought was a hardware problem but like i said it worked fine with the previous gentoo install and other livecds
[04:22] <logankoester> Anyone got a minute to help me figure out why my fresh kubuntu installation has no audio?
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, ubu does kernel stuff somewhat different than most distros
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, did you unmute in the mixer?
[04:23] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, It is unmuted, yes
[04:23] <kavon> hey ArTo
[04:23] <logankoester> and last.fm acts as though it is playing
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, try disabling the kde sound system in kcontrol
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, sometimes it conflicts with alsa
[04:24] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, Same result
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, make sure the correct sound device is selected in kmix?
[04:26] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, It appears to be
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> not sure then...
[04:26] <logankoester> "HDA Intel" is selected, and I have an intel motherboard. The other option is a webcam with builtin mic
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> all the volume selectors are up?
[04:27] <logankoester> yup
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> and you're sure its unmuted?
[04:27] <logankoester> absolutely
[04:27] <logankoester> also, "Test sound" in kcontrol produced nothing
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, ok, try echo eeeeee > /dev/dsp in a konsole, see if that produces anything
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, it should just produce some random noise
[04:30] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[04:31] <snowdonkey> hey guys.  not exactly a linux question, but what does it mean if a red light turned on at the front of my case, and the computer doesn't get to the POST screen?  is a specific component failing?
[04:31] <intelikey> arts ?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, ok, that means something is locking the sound system...
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> has anyone ever seen the desktop distortion style xscreensavers actually take a screenshot to use for the distortions? i am i imagining that they do this?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, depends on the mobo model
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, but yeah, sounds like an error code of some type
[04:32] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, how can I find out what is locking it?
[04:32] <Jmanfoo> logankoester look in /var/lock for a pid file maybe?
[04:32] <snowdonkey> hitmanWillly, thanks, I see.  So I should contact Asus who made my motherboard about the red light on the Antec case?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, id say try a reboot and see if that fixes it, should clear out any system locks
[04:32] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, Jmanfoo, /var/lock is empty
[04:32] <stdin> it's probably artsd that's locking dsp
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, id say that would be reasonable
[04:33] <logankoester> this is a fresh boot
[04:33] <logankoester> artsd is running
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> ugh, silly arts
[04:33] <snowdonkey> hitmanwilly, alright, thanks a lot.  I appreciate it.
[04:33] <logankoester> should I kill it?
[04:33] <intelikey> i guess i'm trolling #debian        silent troll ???  what a concept.
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> kil lthat process logankoester
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, or look on google for specific error codes
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> everyone should be on alsa now
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, did you get kicked?
[04:34] <intelikey> no but i sure got messaged about using irc-user=root
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> bow to my leetness
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> my LFS system is almost compelte
[04:34] <intelikey> by several
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, heh, yeah, they don't know you over there :)
[04:34] <intelikey> :)
[04:34] <intelikey> i know.
[04:34] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, hitmanWilly: I killed artsd and ran "Test sound" from the kde control center, and it started artsd back up again! :<
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> irc-user=init, lol
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, what is kde set to use in the control center? automatic?
[04:35] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, yes
[04:35] <logankoester> wait no, sorry, it's set to use alsa
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, check to make sure you have ALSA installed, and set the control center to use that or OSS
[04:35] <logankoester> It was automatic originally but that wasn't working
[04:35] <stoned> http://obtown.com/2007/06/15/how-to-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-ati/ <-- can anyone take a look at this.  There is a script at the end which is supposed to launch xgl, however it contains exec gnome-session, but I use kde.  What should I modify this to in order to get kde running
[04:35] <stdin> kde will use arts to communicate with the sound system via alsa
[04:36] <stoned> stdin: maybe you could advise
[04:36] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i set it one time to   irc-user='No, i am not root !     i am init ."
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i bet that went over well :)
[04:36] <intelikey> oh yeah...  they really paniced.
[04:37] <stdin> stoned: change it to "exec startkde"
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> stoned, change gnome-session to startkde iirc
[04:37] <logankoester> well, this is frustrating as hell
[04:37] <intelikey> seems only a script kiddy can do such things...   heh
[04:37] <stoned> ok
[04:37] <logankoester> I can't think straight in a silent room
[04:37] <Jmanfoo> i dunno why its insisting on using arts
[04:37] <Jmanfoo> i dont have arts installed and my alsa works just fine under kde
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> try setting it to use OSS logankoester
[04:38] <stdin> Jmanfoo: if you installed KDE, then you have arts. most of kde is compiled with arts in it
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> i don't even have it compiled in to kde on this box :)
[04:38] <intelikey> people in #debian  don't seem very patient or nice...   they will diss on ya for naught.
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> intelikey you should see the LFS support channel
[04:39] <stoned> intelikey: not really, intelligent questions are always appreciated
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, debian: the distro for the elitist :P
[04:39] <stoned> nonsense
[04:39] <intelikey> stoned i haven't said a word in there,
[04:39] <Mr_Sonoma> lol i have a debian machine and im no elitist
[04:39] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, doesn't seem to be any different with oss
[04:39] <intelikey> not one word.
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> that was just a joke, relax people :P
[04:40] <Jmanfoo> yeah i've found gentoo developers to be far snobbier than debian
[04:40] <Jmanfoo> logankoester try restarting X
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, yeah, but gentoo lets you pretty much ignore the developers way of doing things anyway :)
[04:40] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, with it set to OSS?
[04:40] <_aaa> hoe does gentoo compare to ubuntu7.04?
[04:40] <nosredna_ekim> Jmanfoo: thats my brother you are talking about ;)
[04:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly well it really is for zealots and elitests   as far as the channel is conxerned.  but the distro is good.
[04:41] <Jmanfoo> logankoester try that and see what happens
[04:41] <SilentDis> 'lo :)
[04:41] <logankoester> k, be right back then
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> _aaa, opposite ends of the spectrum
[04:41] <_aaa> ?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu is easy to use, gentoo is infinately more customizable, but a lot harder to use/set up
[04:42] <_aaa> ok
[04:42] <_aaa> , thanks...
[04:42] <Jmanfoo> ubuntu is very customizeable if you know what you're doing
[04:42] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, no difference
[04:42] <Jmanfoo> i take the edison approach, break everything in every way possible, and you're left with the right way to do things
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, yeah, but getting into the guts of ubuntu is even more difficult than doing it on gentoo
[04:43] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, this is correct
[04:43] <SilentDis> Jmanfoo: i like that approach :D
[04:43] <stoned> stdin: how would I launch xgl now?
[04:43] <stoned> im a bit confused
[04:43] <_aaa> I'm just a lowly 60 year high school hairy,heh heh
[04:43] <Jmanfoo> i've given up on trying to build a kernel under buntu
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, its possible (ive done it before) but its a major pita
 if i was to stop using debian (which i doubt) i would go for gentoo  <robboplus:#debian> and NEVER for ubuntu..   <<<<  heh.  can't say i would blame anyone for having that attitude but.  thought i'd share it just for the "offtopic" sake of sharing  :)
[04:44] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, yeah, and in comparison it took me all of 30 minutes to build a brand new kernel for this LFS system
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> they should really just change #kubuntu-offtopic to redirect into here :P
[04:45] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, any other ideas?
[04:45] <logankoester> perhaps it's a driver problem?
[04:45] <intelikey> hitmanWilly lol
[04:45] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, find a .wav file, open a terminal there, and type "artsplay wave.wav" but using the name of the wav file, and see what happens
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, same way for gentoo, unless you use genkernel, which kinda defeats the point :)
[04:46] <Jmanfoo> don't get me wrong, i love kubuntu, it does exactly what it's designed for very well
[04:46] <stoned> http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable?
[04:46] <stoned> intelikey: ^^
[04:46] <Jmanfoo> brb
[04:46] <intelikey> why you want more material ?
[04:49] <nosredna_ekim> haha... the fable :)
[04:49] <intelikey> hmm who ever wrote that shows a great deal of the  #debian  attitude afore mentioned.
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> yeah...
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> Imean really.. Ubuntu popularized the .deb
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> imho, we were all babies at one point, so it doesn't hurt to help one once in a while :)
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> .debs were dying
[04:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly good answer.   and i couldn't agree more.
[04:51] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, nothin
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> heh, try this: http://bandcamp.tv/linux-demotivators/
[04:52] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, was I supposed to change it back to alsa first? It's still using OSS
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> well, in reality, oss and alsa are really the same thing in ubuntu these days, alsa just emulates it
[04:53] <stoned> hey
[04:53] <stoned> does direct rendering get turned off when you start xgl?
[04:55] <stdin> stoned: yes
[04:55] <stoned> man
[04:55] <stoned> something is not right here
[04:55] <stoned> my desktop is very slow in drawing windows and menus and updating them
[04:55] <stoned> im on xgl atm
[04:56] <logankoester> So how should I proceed, hitmanWilly?
[04:56] <stoned> man why the fsck did I buy an ati card :(
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, not sure, reconfigure alsa maybe?
[04:57] <logankoester> I'm not too impressed that kubuntu can't properly detect my monitors or soundcard, after so many years you'd think this sort of thing would be figured out
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> unless ubu compiles it into the kernel, but i doubt that
[04:57] <logankoester> how would I go about doing that?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa, maybe?
[04:58] <intelikey> logankoester it would if the hardware wasn't always changing..
[04:58] <logankoester> ah-ha!
[04:59] <logankoester> "Package `alsa' is not installed and no info is available."
[04:59] <logankoester> Might that mean something?
[04:59] <dwidmann> logankoester: which sound card and how many monitors at a time?
[04:59] <intelikey> alsa support is in the kernel   the alsa utils  may be what you want.
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> most hw drivers in nix have to be reverse engineered since the manufacturers don't generally release linux versions of them
[04:59] <logankoester> dwidmann, It's an onboard intel soundcard - laptop, only the external CRT monitor works
[04:59] <dwidmann> Weird.
[05:00] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, yeah, I understand how it works... I just wish we were through this by now
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> talk to the hw manufacturers :)
[05:00] <intelikey> we'll never be through it
[05:00] <logankoester> So what is it I need to install?
[05:00] <intelikey> it's the reason linux exists in the first place.
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, maybe try it on alsautils?
[05:01] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, alsa-utils is already the newest version
[05:02] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils alsa-tools
[05:02] <intelikey> start with base
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, thanx, couldn't remember all the ubu pkgs for it :)
[05:02] <intelikey> but im still not sure you are working on the right end of the donkey
[05:03] <logankoester> intelikey, base has no output
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, probably not, know where the alsa startup script is on buntu?
[05:03] <intelikey> should always check and see which end has teeth
[05:03] <logankoester> utils also has no output - the other two are not installed
[05:03] <intelikey> hitmanWilly /etc/init.d/alsa* stop/start
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, never did see it in there on my box, maybe i just overlooked them...
[05:04] <logankoester> okay, I just installed alsa-tools and alsa-oss, dunno if that will help?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, the buntu one anyway :P
[05:05] <intelikey> ls /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[05:05] <logankoester> intelikey, it's there
[05:06] <ekrengel> does anyone know why I would be able to get a full 1920x1080 resolution at the login screen, but it then crops it back down to 1280x1024 after I log in?
[05:07] <intelikey> they also are "not" g rated in #debian     it's not like i'm going to see bad words i don't know how to pronounce,  it's just that i don't like to see them.
[05:07] <intelikey> just like i don't like to hear them
[05:08] <logankoester> drifting offtopic.... how can a word be bad or good?
[05:08] <logankoester> It's just a word
[05:08] <logankoester> a sound you make with your mouth or some lines in the sand
[05:09] <logankoester> that is just the most ridiculous concept
[05:09] <stdin> logankoester: words are neither good nor bad, it's the intent behind them...
[05:09] <intelikey> logankoester it it has only one usage and that usage is banned form some circles   then the word is considered a "bad" word.
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> same thing that makes it rude to chew with your mouth open or pass gas in public
[05:10] <intelikey> or pupe on the sidewalk
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> good one :)
[05:10] <intelikey> poop
[05:10] <logankoester> If it's the intent behind them, then why object when they're used interjectionally?
[05:10] <logankoester> with no intent to offend
[05:10] <Level15> b/c this place intends to be family friendly...
[05:10] <stdin> logankoester: because that's hardly ever the case
[05:10] <intelikey> logankoester manors
[05:11] <logankoester> I wish I could get audio working :(
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> calling someone a f&@king r-tard seems pretty well intended to offend to me.
[05:11] <intelikey> logankoester have you tried the trubble shooting wiki ?
[05:11] <intelikey> !sound | logankoester
[05:11] <ubotu> logankoester: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:11] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, can't disagree with you there
[05:11] <Level15> !players
[05:12] <Level15> hmmm
[05:12] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:12] <Level15> that was slow...
[05:12] <intelikey> Level15 the bot lags from usage in the other channel      a lot.
[05:13] <Level15> i see...
[05:13] <intelikey> and if a script kiddy tries to crack it,  i have seen it lag over a minute...
[05:13] <Level15> lol, really?
[05:14] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:14] <Level15> i wish i could do something like that with ssh over here...
[05:14] <NickPresta> Level15, do something like what?
[05:14] <Level15> altough apparently it's possible to do something to slow down brute force atacks on the iptables layer, but i'm not sure how
[05:14] <stdin> and then Seveas gets mad and kills you
[05:14] <Level15> NickPresta: make ssh become slower to a given connection after unsuccessful login attempts
[05:14] <intelikey> yeah k line
[05:15] <intelikey> or  g line
[05:15] <jhutchins> Level15: $IPTABLES -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 3 -j ACCEPT
[05:15] <intelikey> level15 you can make it wait longer each time the login is unsuccessful  in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
[05:15] <Level15> intelikey: really? which param?
[05:16] <Level15> jhutchins: thanks ;)
[05:16] <intelikey> it's commented
[05:16] <Biovore> there is also a script that detects ssh login failuers and adds the IP to a shitlist.. (gets blocked)
[05:16] <intelikey> you'll find it
[05:16] <intelikey> FailTimeOut   i think  but not sure.
[05:16] <jhutchins> Biovore: That command effectively does that with pretty rapid rollover.  The ssh attacks don't tend to re-use IP's.
[05:17] <Biovore> true..  but on most unix systems you need to know an username to even try..
[05:17] <intelikey> jhutchins they will if the time out isn't increesing
[05:17] <jhutchins> What's funny is if you catch an attack and take your ssh daemon down for like three minutes, the attack won't come back.
[05:17] <Level15> ok, just went through sshd_config... didn't find anything like that
[05:17] <Biovore> yup. that iptables trick is nice too
[05:18] <intelikey> Biovore a brute force ssh attack will try root nobody and other "common" accounts.
[05:18] <logankoester> intelikey, there was a dead link on SoundTroubleshooting, preventing me from finding the name of the driver for my onboard soundcard
[05:18] <stdin> and "test"
[05:18] <intelikey> yes it is.
[05:18] <intelikey> logankoester eeek
[05:18] <intelikey> i wonder if crimsun is around ?
[05:19] <logankoester> If I can't get this, and my monitor problem fixed tonight, I'll have no choice but to return to Vista :'(
[05:20] <NickPresta> logankoester, which monitor problem?
[05:20] <Level15> logankoester: which sound card is it?
[05:20] <intelikey> logankoester ooh yuch   that's worse than commiting suicide with fether.
[05:21] <intelikey> feather
[05:21] <logankoester> NickPresta, I'm trying to focus on the soundcard problem first
[05:21] <logankoester> Level15, it's an onboard (laptop, intel mobo)
[05:21] <NickPresta> logankoester, what seems to be the problem? Not detected?
[05:22] <Level15> logankoester: what's PCI id for it?
[05:22] <logankoester> NickPresta, It seems to be detected correctly, but I hear nothing
[05:22] <logankoester> Level15, How can I find that?
[05:22] <NickPresta> logankoester, and information about your soundcard?
[05:22] <Level15> NickPresta: have you played with the volume control? (just asking)
[05:22] <Level15> logankoester: lspci
[05:23] <NickPresta> Level15, I'm not having problems with my sound. ;)
[05:23] <Level15> lol
[05:23] <Level15> sorry
[05:23] <intelikey> lshw -C audio
[05:23] <Level15> logankoester: have you played with the volume control?
[05:23] <logankoester> NickPresta, Level15: http://pastebin.ca/664031 <- lspci
[05:24] <arun> i just added a black background image for the panel, but it shows a light grey border around it. how do i disable the border/change the colour of the border?
[05:24] <logankoester> Level15, volume controls are all up and unmuted
[05:24] <klobster> anyone know how to restart my panels?  they all disappeared...
[05:24] <jhutchins> logankoester: Move the ballance off center, see if that does anything.
[05:25] <jhutchins> klobster: Stock kde?
[05:25] <klobster> yeah
[05:25] <intelikey> 82801G
[05:25] <jhutchins> dcop kicker --default restart (I think)
[05:25] <Level15> lol, looks like my own sound card, except for the revision
[05:26] <Level15> logankoester: lspci -n please
[05:26] <hv> hi all
[05:26] <logankoester> Level15, http://pastebin.ca/664034
[05:26] <jhutchins> dunno why, my office pc will often not have any sound if the ballance is centered.
 Generally you want to refer to a release by its codename rather than its release name  <<< ?
[05:27] <jhutchins> Sometimes just moving it off-center and back will recover, sometimes I have to leave it off center.
[05:27] <logankoester> jhutchins, thanks, no luck however
[05:27] <klobster> jhutchins: call failed?
[05:27] <intelikey> jhutchins that sounds like a "lost ground"
[05:27] <jhutchins> klobster: bother...
[05:27] <Level15> what modules are loaded?
[05:28] <jhutchins> klobster: dcop kicker kicker restart
[05:28] <logankoester> Maybe if I drink the cough syrup on my desk, I'll simply hallucinate working audio?
[05:28] <arun> anyone? i cant find any option to disable the border..
[05:28] <Level15> HAHAHA
[05:28] <Level15> logankoester: what modules are loaded?
[05:28] <klobster> jhutchins: nevermind, I just ran kicker from right click > run
[05:28] <Level15> lsmod|grep snd
[05:28] <klobster> jhutchins: ty
[05:28] <jhutchins> klobster: whatever works man.
[05:29] <jhutchins> 'Night all.
[05:29] <intelikey> klobster also    alt+f2
[05:29] <logankoester> Level15, http://pastebin.ca/664035
[05:30] <Level15> logankoester: hmmm, weirdo, same drivers here and they work... maybe your revision is not yet supported...
[05:30] <Level15> logankoester: but u might want to try to get audio from outside kde, just to test...
[05:31] <logankoester> So... I'm doomed to a silent ubuntu?
[05:31] <Level15> it seems so :(
[05:31] <Level15> are you using 7.04?
[05:31] <intelikey> logankoester simple test.   switch to a console and issue  /etc/init.d/kdm stop      &&   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:31] <Level15> lol!
[05:32] <logankoester> God bless the linux community :<
[05:32] <intelikey> youe can     /etc/init.d/kdm start   to regain gui
[05:32] <logankoester> Level15, yes, I am
[05:32] <logankoester> intelikey, be right back then
[05:33] <intelikey> don't you go hide while he's gone.
[05:33] <intelikey> that's what i do...
[05:33] <intelikey> :)
[05:34] <logankoester> Nope
[05:34] <logankoester> :(
[05:34] <logankoester> heard nothin
[05:34] <logankoester> I listened as hard as I could
[05:35] <logankoester> wish I had one of those giant electronic ears they make for kids
[05:35] <intelikey> just cause i'm hard to get along with and think i know something,    while in the console run    alsamixer   and make sure that wasn't muted.
[05:35] <intelikey> if not   then i give up.
[05:36] <logankoester> I should do that without kde running?
[05:36] <intelikey> no doesn't matter
[05:36] <logankoester> nope
[05:37] <logankoester> 100%
[05:37] <intelikey> Okapi: i'll fade out then
[05:37] <intelikey> ok <
[05:37] <intelikey> nick completion caught that
[05:37] <logankoester> I guess my next question is, is this problem likely to exist also in gnome ubuntu, or another distribution?
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu  yes  other distros   not near as likely
[05:38] <logankoester> Hmm
[05:38] <logankoester> I only like ubuntu though :p
[05:38] <logankoester> This sucks
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu is ubuntu  with or without kde
[05:38] <intelikey> you are more than welcome to test the ubuntu live cd and find out.
[05:39] <logankoester> I guess I could live with Fedora Core, if they've improved any in the last few years
[05:39] <intelikey> tried mandriva  or  suse  lately ?
[05:39] <ardchoille> I have a question. Why is the ubuntu and kubuntu live cd's much slower than other live cd's like MEPIX and knoppix?
[05:39] <logankoester> intelikey: I haven't, nope
[05:39] <logankoester> I've never used suse
[05:40] <intelikey> logankoester i reccomend
[05:40] <logankoester> Mandriva is the one made by Fisher Price, right?
[05:40] <intelikey> ardchoille than knoppix cause knoppix is da bomb on da live.   as for mepix    idk
[05:40] <ardchoille> lol
[05:41] <intelikey> logankoester is that french ?
[05:41] <logankoester> Is what french?
[05:41] <intelikey> fisher price
[05:41] <intelikey> :)
[05:41] <logankoester> http://www.fisher-price.com/us/default.asp
[05:42] <intelikey> i know mandriva is.
[05:45] (intelikey/#kubuntu) or not.
[05:46] (intelikey/#kubuntu) who's the new bot ?
[05:46] (intelikey/#kubuntu) -:- ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog]  has joined #kubuntu <<<
[05:46] (stdin/#kubuntu) new?
[05:46] (Jmanfoo/#kubuntu) anyone know where .xscreensaver is by default in kubuntu? it's not in my home directory
[05:46] (stdin/#kubuntu) it's the log bot
[05:46] (dwidmann/#kubuntu) logankoester: in that case, you could try ubuntu again in a couple months, 7.10 should be released by then.
[05:47] <intelikey> Jmanfoo ~/.kde/something/something
[05:48] <intelikey> stdin don't know off hand the easy way to make kde accept xmessages or kdialogs from other local users do you /
[05:48] <intelikey> ?
[05:48] <intelikey> ???
[05:48] <stdin> intelikey: yep: xhost +LOCAL:
[05:48] <Jmanfoo> no dice intelikey
[05:49] <Jmanfoo> searched the whole home directory and came up with nothing
[05:49] <intelikey> i said the 'easy way'
[05:49] <intelikey> Jmanfoo if you have configured the screensaver it should be there somewhere
[05:49] <intelikey> if you haven't it doesn't exist
[05:51] <intelikey> and all your personla settings will be in ~/  some place      exception of the display manager you can save to /etc/gdm/gdm.comf* or /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.conf   i think
[05:51] <Jmanfoo> well i configured it with the control panel
[05:52] <intelikey> stdin i guess i could slip that in a script in ease it into their ~/.kde/Autostart/    :)
[05:52] <intelikey> then i can message them   heh  should work.
[05:53] <stdin> intelikey: there is a global autostart dir ;)
[05:53] <intelikey> stdin in /usr ?
[05:53] <stdin> /usr/share/autostart/
[05:53] <intelikey> or /etc/X11/  too
[05:54] <intelikey> stdin will it run executables if i put one in the /usr/share  ?
[05:54] <logankoester> dwidmann, I'll certainly try 7.10
[05:55] <intelikey> logankoester 7.10 is beta
[05:55] <logankoester> I've been using ubuntu as my dev environment for just about forever, I'm not about to stop ;)
[05:55] <logankoester> But I haven't used x11/kde and all that crap
[05:55] <stdin> intelikey: if it's in /usr/share/autostart/ and +x, it'll start when kde does
[05:55] <intelikey> releases in the 10'th month of 007
[05:55] <stdin> 7.10 is alpha sctually
[05:55] <stdin> *actually
[05:56] <intelikey> stdin ok.   then i'll drop a sleep command in it and make sure it's the last thing to finish
[05:56] <intelikey> still alpha ?  thought beta testing started this month ?
[05:57] <intelikey> guess i'm wrong again,     how is it the french say that ?   "i decieve my self"  isn't it...
[05:57] <stdin> intelikey: beta freeze today, beta release on the 27th
[05:58] <Jmanfoo> the only directory i see in my home folder that even comes close is /home/josh/.kde/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers
[05:59] <Jmanfoo> and its empty!
[05:59] <Jmanfoo> but i just went through a minute ago and configured the xscreensaver settings
[05:59] <Tiago_Hartigan> ?
[06:04] <intelikey> yes that was an isp side connection reset.   they do that about every four hours like it or not.
[06:04] <intelikey> tic's me off
[06:09] <intelikey> oh yuch   x is running on vt7 now   that's not right.   i set it to vt5    what's the deal.
[06:12] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39028
[06:14] <Jmanfoo> ARG this makes no sense
[06:14] <Jmanfoo> i have GrabDesktopImages set to true, yet it xscreensaver refuses to do it!
[06:15] <intelikey> i knew i wasn't loony.   i did set gdm.conf to vt5    FirstVT=5
[06:15] <intelikey> VTAllocation=true
[06:16] <intelikey> stdin   i don't think it worked.
[06:16] <magicalmoose> hey, i'm using kubuntu, and im new, can somone help me?
[06:17] <sanzanric> how?
[06:17] <stdin> intelikey: huh?
[06:17] <magicalmoose> well, it asks me for the root password a lot, but I never made one, so anything I write, it says something like 'wrong password' i was just wondering if anyone could help me with that
[06:18] <sanzanric> have you try your own password?
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yes
[06:18] <magicalmoose> it said the same thing,
[06:18] <sanzanric> your using kde?
[06:18] <stdin> magicalmoose: I'm guessing your trying to use su?
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yep
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yes.
[06:18] <intelikey> magicalmoose try your password.
[06:19] <stdin> magicalmoose: use "sudo -i" or "sudo su"
[06:19] <intelikey> oh   sudo and try your password
[06:19] <magicalmoose> okay ill try. one second.
[06:19] <sanzanric> okay, open up konsole "sudo passwd root"
[06:19] <GuHhH> how do i know if clamav scanned a file/mail attach?
[06:19] <stdin> no, don't
[06:19] <stdin> sanzanric: there is no need to do that.
[06:19] <magicalmoose> okay
[06:19] <intelikey> stdin in /usr/share/autostart/zlast.sh  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39029
[06:19] <sanzanric> but, if he wants to..
[06:20] <stdin> magicalmoose: use sudo for all you root needs
[06:20] <intelikey> stdin no joy.  can't message them.
[06:20] <stdin> !root
[06:20] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:20] <intelikey> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:20] <intelikey> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: you missed the ':' at the end
[06:20] <intelikey> did i ?
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: xhost +LOCAL:
[06:20] <intelikey> oh  yeah i did.
[06:20] <magicalmoose> okay, so now im in root@(mycomputername), how can i change my root password?
[06:21] <stdin> magicalmoose: why do you need to?
[06:21] <sanzanric> how are you root? sudo, su, etc,
[06:21] <magicalmoose> sudo -i, is what i put in.
[06:21] <magicalmoose> and i put in my user password.
[06:21] <sanzanric> okay type,  passwd root
[06:21] <intelikey> ok i'll test it again.     and take my pebcak some where else...   </blush>
[06:21] <stdin> magicalmoose: you are root now, sudo gave you root. you don't need a root password
[06:22] <magicalmoose> oooh.
[06:22] <magicalmoose> okay. thank you.
[06:22] <stdin> magicalmoose: before you change anything, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:22] <magicalmoose> okay.
[06:22] <magicalmoose> thanks, its nice to know that theres an irc with people that actually frickin help :)
[06:22] <intelikey> magicalmoose and if you don't like it then you can change it.
[06:22] <intelikey> it is your software on your box you know.
[06:23] <intelikey> magicalmoose yeah stdin is cool that way.
[06:24] <sanzanric> you have to change some kdm file if you want to login to kde
[06:24] <_MaX_> hola
[06:24] <intelikey> sanzanric me ?
[06:25] <magicalmoose> hey, just curious, when i put in 'sudo -i' it let me use my user password instead of the default locked one, what does the '-i' mean?
[06:25] <sanzanric> what?
[06:25] <_MaX_> alguien de sudamerica
[06:25] <stdin> logging in to X as root = not a good idea
[06:25] <stdin> !es
[06:25] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
 you have to change some kdm file if you want to login to kde <<<  i asked if you addressed me with that ?
[06:26] <intelikey> i should leave
[06:26] <intelikey> i should leave #debian    enter gets in the way
[06:27] <sanzanric> it was a gernal dose any body know what file that is?
[06:27] <intelikey> sanzanric yes   /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.conf  iirc
[06:27] <intelikey> sanzanric but you can do it through kcontrol
[06:28] <intelikey> if you like the pointy clicky thingy
[06:28] <magicalmoose> hey, just curious, when i put in 'sudo -i' it let me use my user password instead of the default locked one, what does the '-i' mean? does anyone know?
[06:28] <ardchoille> -i  The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the command is being run as.
[06:28] <sanzanric> what dose sudo --help print?
[06:29] <intelikey> magicalmoose yes   but i'd rather teach you how to answer your own questions about switches.      man sudo     and hit /-i
[06:29] <sanzanric> thanks
[06:29] <sanzanric> kcontrol, nice
[06:29] <intelikey> yep
[06:30] <intelikey> for everything kde    just use kcontrol
[06:30] <intelikey> simple as that
[06:30] <magicalmoose> okay
[06:31] <intelikey> and for most things    you can just right click them..
[06:31] <ardchoille> magicalmoose:  konqueror --profile filemanagement man:sudo
[06:31] <ardchoille> :)
[06:31] <sanzanric> cant you do man:/sudo
[06:31] <sanzanric> ?
[06:32] <intelikey> any konq window   #sudo
[06:32] <intelikey> or is it    !sudo
[06:32] <intelikey> one is info the other man  ???
[06:32] <ardchoille> !usod returns an error
[06:32] <ardchoille> !sudo
[06:32] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:33] <intelikey> hmm    well ok   so   i  don't use kde   sue me.
[06:33] <intelikey> :)
[06:33] <sanzanric> #sudo maps to the manual page
[06:33] <ardchoille> Well, I had to test it cuz I didn't know if it worked that way
[06:33] <botnot> hiiiiiiiii
[06:33] <ardchoille> sanzanric: Indeed it does
[06:33] <botnot> I don't know Ron, but I guarantee you that Ron has never said "allow us to provide you with excellent customer service." In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Ron provides satisfactory, but not excellent customer service, jerks it to manga, gets in heated arguments over Battlestar Galactica, and hates his job because his boss doesn't appreciate him enough. But some day Ron will get his degree...
[06:33] <botnot> 9 things I learned about the world according to anonymous
[06:33] <botnot> stock photo models.
[06:33] <botnot> I was searching for shitty telecom companies the other day and Qwest came up as the first result (the 2nd through 6th results linked to Verizon). So I clicked the top link and saw this:
[06:33] <botnot> "Finally," I thought to myself, "a site that sells chubby black women." Unfortunately, after hours of searching there were no black women to be found; only DSL and local phone service. Here are some other photos I found on corporate websites, and what I learned about the world based on the images:
[06:33] <intelikey> there is a key for manpages and infopages  i just don't recall them both
[06:33] <botnot> 1. Attempts to portray sincere parent/child relationships always seem creepy.
[06:33] <botnot> There aren't many things I don't want to experience in life, but the sensual caress of a parent going through mid-life crisis is one of them.
[06:34] <botnot> 2. Hot curly haired black women go moist for wireless broadband routers and mainframes.
[06:34] <botnot> Possibly the first and only cliche in history I've wanted to bang, curly-haired black women are the preferred marketing tool to sell obscure telecom products and telephone services so long as their skin tone isn't too dark. She should be dark enough to score that hip diversity dollar, but not so dark as to scare away that heartland racist dollar.
[06:34] <botnot> Microsoft also tried to employ use of the hot black woman for marketing Vista recently, but as usual, they got it wrong:
[06:34] <botnot> "Fuck it." -Microsoft's advertising agency
[06:34] <botnot> 3. People who sit in cramped cubicles answering customer service calls in drab corporate callcenters are overjoyed to help fix your DSL modem.
[06:34] <underdog5004> botnot, not here, please
[06:34] <botnot> Meet Ron:
[06:34] <botnot> ...in computer science, quit his job, and then his boss will be sorry for not paying Ron more! Until then, he's an undersexed shill. Unless the beefy, goateed computer programmer look is making a comeback, and based on personal experience, it hasn't.
[06:34] <ardchoille> I love my ignore list :)
[06:34] <botnot> Here's another gem. Can you guess why this man is smiling?
[06:34] <botnot> There are only three reasons you should ever be this delighted about anything, and all of them involve you being a hot chick, meeting me, and lube.
[06:34] <sanzanric> can someone (x)kill botnot
[06:34] <underdog5004> wow...that article was really old...
[06:34] <underdog5004> lol
[06:35] <hagabaka> :)
[06:35] <ardchoille> stdin: Thanks
[06:36] <stdin> darn bots :p
[06:36] <ardchoille> It's not the bot's fault, we need to find that person who did that and cut their fingers off one at a time and soak their hands in alcohol and salt
[06:37] <sanzanric> i vote for that!
[06:38] <intelikey> alcohol and salt ?    nah.   jsut let them get infected.
[06:38] <sanzanric> Medieval Europe, i... wish... i... was... there...
[06:41] <intelikey> i'm going to add a touch ~/testfile to the script to see if it's being called....
[06:43] <kalorin`> thanks a lot there godaddy
[06:43] <kalorin`> way to forget my MX record for me
[06:43] <kalorin`> :(
[06:43] <ardchoille> :(
[06:43] <intelikey> ):
[06:43] <kalorin`> yeah just going along fine for about 4 months or whatever, then all the sudden no email today, log on and find that they sort of misplaced my CNAME that the MX record pointed to
[06:44] <kalorin`> all the sudden all the domains point their mail at a host that doesn't exist
[06:44] <kalorin`> nicely done
[06:44] <kalorin`> :(
[06:44] <kalorin`> man it's like you gotta watch them constantly
[06:46] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having a bit of toruble with akregator and I was wondering if someone could help me out or point me in the right direction
[06:47] <intelikey> akregator: RSS feed aggregator for KDE.
[06:47] <intelikey> that's all i know about it.
[06:48] <Ch1ppy> hehe
[06:48] <intelikey> and it doesn't help chippy one yud
[06:48] <Ch1ppy> anyone else?
[06:48] <sanzanric> ch1ppy, name your issue
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> basically, it's not counting some news items
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> for example, I have 40 news items in a folder
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> the feed display says 40 new, the folder says 40, but the "All Items" (And hence the icon in my statusbar) says 37
[06:50] <sanzanric> have you clicked on the fetch all feeds button
[06:50] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: sure have, same issue
[06:50] <sanzanric> have you read some of the feeds?
[06:50] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it's a new issue, so I suppose it may be a bug
[06:51] <kalorin`> can someone send an email to kalorin@kalorin.com please, just anything not too spammy lookin'
[06:51] <sanzanric> each time i read a feed it goes down a num
[06:52] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: that happens too, but the All Feeds is still three too low
[06:52] <sanzanric> oh, now i see
[06:52] <kalorin`> thanks
[06:52] <bryce_> Hello all!
[06:52] <kalorin`> well at least email is moving again
[06:52] <sanzanric> the all feeds shouldn't change
[06:52] <kalorin`> welp, off to work
[06:53] <sanzanric> Okay, here is an interesting fix
[06:53] <bryce_> I'm new to Kubuntu, just finished installing it.  I've a question about an external hard drive I've got hooked up with all my music on it and I would like to play the songs on Amarok, but I don't know where the external hard drive is to browse and load the songs into the music program.
[06:53] <sanzanric> right click on the all feeds
[06:54] <sanzanric> press f2
[06:54] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ look under the media folder
[06:54] <sanzanric> rename All New Feeds
[06:54] <sanzanric> lol
[06:54] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: still displays the wrong number :S
[06:54] <bryce_> jman, I did look in there but all I find is... Cdrom with nothing in it.
[06:55] <Jmanfoo> how is the hard drive connected?
[06:55] <bryce_> usb port
[06:55] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: "All New Feeds (35)", "News (37)"
[06:55] <Jmanfoo> when you plug it in, does a window pop up asking what you want to do with the files?
[06:55] <bryce_> yes, but I haven't been able to figure that out either LOL
[06:56] <Jmanfoo> plug it in and when that window comes up, select "open folder to view files", or something to that effect
[06:56] <bryce_> i always click open in new window, but nothing ever happens.  Could it be because I'm using adept installer at the moment installing updates?
[06:56] <Jmanfoo> it should open konqueror and give you a location
[06:56] <bryce_> OK... give me a second and I'll see what happens... will unplug and reconnect.
[06:58] <bryce_> jman ---  "A new medium has been detected.  What do you want to do?..... Medium type: Unmounted Removable Medium".... options available are "Open in New Window", "Download Photos with digikam", and "Do Nothing"
[06:59] <Jmanfoo> open in new window
[06:59] <sanzanric> Ch1ppy, sorry, i can't seem to reproduce this glitch, give me a sec
[06:59] <bryce_> OK... I did that but nothing opens up :-S
[06:59] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: sure
[06:59] <Jmanfoo> ok try this
[06:59] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it seems to happen randomly
[07:00] <bryce_> <<<< listens attentively :)
[07:00] <Jmanfoo> open up a terminal and type "sudo mount /dev/psaux -t auto /media/disk"
[07:00] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: I just got it with a folder, I have a feed with one new item, but the folder (doesn't even get to the "All Feeds" top level) doesn't show it
[07:00] <bryce_> OK... give me a second :) I'm new and slow lol
[07:00] <Jmanfoo> np :)
[07:01] <intelikey> :)
[07:01] <Jmanfoo> hey there intelikey, didn't see you lurking
[07:01] <Jmanfoo> :-p
[07:01] <intelikey> Jmanfoo
[07:01] <bryce_> it says.... "mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist.
[07:02] <intelikey> Jmanfoo saw your comment  :)   "sudo mount /dev/psaux -t auto /media/disk"  :)
[07:02] <intelikey> so can you execute files on the mouse ?
[07:03] <bryce_> you talking to me intelikey?
[07:03] <Jmanfoo> arg !%!#$ i just noticed that
[07:03] <stdin> can you mount a character device? :p
[07:03] <Jmanfoo> should be /dev/sdb1
[07:03] <intelikey> bryce_ no  to Jmanfoo
[07:03] <bryce_> lol ok... thanks :)
[07:03] <bryce_> will try that
[07:04] <Jmanfoo> the /media/disk mount point should be there by default in kubuntu yes?
[07:04] <intelikey> stdin ummm   mount /dev/null -t none /media  ?
[07:04] <intelikey> lol
[07:04] <bryce_> "mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist
[07:04] <sanzanric> Ch1ppy, dose it just seem delayed or dose it just never refreshes
[07:05] <Jmanfoo> eh, i dont remember the command to create a new mount point...
[07:05] <stdin> intelikey: mount: unknown filesystem type 'none'
[07:05] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: the feed refreshes, and I can see the feed itself
[07:05] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it just displays the wrong number of new feeds for some folders
[07:05] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ try this: "sudo mkdir /media/disk
[07:05] <stdin> bryce_: try just "pmount /dev/sdb1 disk"
[07:05] <intelikey> Jmanfoo no.  default in media is nothing   if you have a cdrom drive  it will add  cdrom0 and symlink cdrom    if you have floppys it adds and if it auto mounts any partitions it makes dirs there for them.
[07:05] <bryce_> geez... I have a bad feeling learning this linux is going to be like the first time i came to the computer years ago lol
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> ahhhh
[07:06] <intelikey> stdin really ?
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> i didnt know, it mounted my USB flash drive to /media/disk automagically
[07:06] <bryce_> so should I still do that one jman?
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> try what stdin just posted
[07:06] <el_isma> Hello! I  kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of.
[07:06] <stdin> Jmanfoo: that's because pmount made it
[07:06] <stdin> bryce_: try just "pmount /dev/sdb1 disk" first
[07:07] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it occurred to me that it may have been an issue that was fixed before, since I haven't restarted akregator in ~3 weeks
[07:07] <stdin> intelikey: without -t none i get "mount: /dev/null is not a block device" :)
[07:07] <intelikey> i guess i forgot the joke then.   there i a type the will mount nothing on a dir   but it's actually ignoring the device arg   so it can be anything    then people think they have /dev/null mounted.
[07:07] <intelikey> i/is/
[07:07] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: hm, since I haven't restarted it, it may have been a memory leak (although I have no idea how a memory leak would cause that) or something similar
[07:07] <bryce_> stdin ---  it says "error: devis /dev/sdb1 does not exist"
[07:08] <intelikey> but i forgot the type.
[07:08] <bryce_> device*
[07:08] <intelikey> thought it was none.
[07:08] <intelikey> bryce_ if you need to find a partition    cat /proc/partitions
[07:08] <stdin> bryce_: what does "ls /dev/sd?" show ?
[07:09] <intelikey> don't flood. !
[07:09] <sanzanric> a friend of mine is a kde dev, i think this is a common problem, i'll talk to him, sorry i don't think i can help
[07:10] <intelikey> stdin shows 26 devices here.
[07:10] <bryce_> stdin it showed me /dev/sda
[07:10] <Jmanfoo> bryce_: pmount/dev/sda disk
[07:10] <intelikey> space    ^
[07:10] <Jmanfoo> ah, put a space between pmount and /dev/sda
[07:10] <stdin> intelikey: do you even have udev mounted :p
[07:10] <bryce_> trying it
[07:11] <intelikey> stdin no
[07:11] <stdin> intelikey: that would be why then
[07:11] <Jmanfoo> gee folks, i haven't been happier since i installed my linux version of norton
[07:11] <intelikey> yes.  i know that.
[07:11] <bryce_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:11] <bryce_>        missing codepage or other error
[07:11] <bryce_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:11] <bryce_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:11] <intelikey> Jmanfoo mc ?
[07:11] <stdin> bryce_: "pmount /dev/sda1"
[07:12] <Jmanfoo> norton internet firewall, email scanner, and network headache generator
[07:12] <bryce_> k, that brought me down a command line and nothing showed up
[07:12] <Jmanfoo> ok now try cd /media/disk
[07:12] <intelikey> Jmanfoo lol "network headache generator"   nice .
[07:12] <stdin> it will probably be in /media/sda1
[07:12] <intelikey> yes.
[07:13] <bryce_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:13] <bryce_>        missing codepage or other error
[07:13] <bryce_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:13] <bryce_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:13] <Jmanfoo> i got an app i use a work that blows all norton libraries, binaries, and registry entries away in 30 seconds flat
[07:13] <bryce_> oops
[07:13] <bryce_> sorry
[07:13] <intelikey> i illuded to that eariler.
[07:13] <bryce_> wrong copy and paste lol
[07:13] <intelikey> and that.
[07:13] <magicalmoose> hey, its me again, emm im having a problem with kbe, kubuntu, and my sound card. if anyone thinks they can help, please say something.
[07:13] <bryce_> bash: cd: /media/disk: No such file or directory
[07:13] <Jmanfoo> cd /media/sda1
[07:13] <bryce_> that worked :)
[07:13] <stdin> ls /media could have helped there :p
[07:14] <Jmanfoo> thats odd, because my sata hdd mounts as /dev/sda1
[07:14] <intelikey> or the tab key
[07:14] <intelikey> scsi emulation
[07:14] <intelikey> maybe.
[07:14] <bryce_> now the command line says "bryce@bryce:/media/sda1$"
[07:14] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ type ls
[07:14] <stdin> usb disks always use scsi
[07:15] <intelikey> that's an L
[07:15] <intelikey> yeah but he said sata
[07:15] <bryce_> lol thanks intelikey ;)
[07:15] <stdin> sata is scsi too
[07:15] <Jmanfoo> yeah its an internal SATA drive, and all 3 partitions mount as /dev/sda*
[07:15] <bryce_> OK jman, I can see the folder names on the command lines now.  What next? lol
[07:15] <Jmanfoo> but my usb devices mount as /dev/sdb
[07:16] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ go into amarok and browse to /media/sda1 and find your music :)
[07:16] <intelikey> stdin ummm i think not.   i think it can use scsi emulation or ide
[07:16] <stdin> intelikey: I mean in linux, with libata
[07:16] <stdin> linux meaning the kernel
[07:16] <intelikey> oh ok.   then i'll defer
[07:17] <Jmanfoo> !info rtfm
[07:17] <ubotu> rtfm: RT FAQ Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.3-1.1 (feisty), package size 68 kB, installed size 800 kB
[07:17] <raylu> LOL
[07:19] <Jmanfoo> i think norton's approach to internet security is to turn the internet off, thereby making you absolutely secure
[07:19] <raylu> lol. mcafee decided that irc was unsafe
[07:19] <Jmanfoo> or eating up so many resources that your system is unusable
[07:19] <intelikey> dapper doesn't call this sata an scsi disk.  it calls it an ide disk  but edgy called everything scsi didn't it ?
[07:19] <raylu> so it blocked 6667. before realizing mcafee was at fault, i got on freenode from 6665
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty started calling everything scsi then didn't
[07:20] <stdin> intelikey: feisty did, any kernel at or above 2.6.20
[07:20] <Jmanfoo> hmm, so in theory, a true scsi disk and a sata disk might appear the same to linux?
[07:20] <el_isma> I  kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of.and 74 script
[07:20] <raylu> if by "might," you mean "do" (at least to me), yes
[07:20] <intelikey> oh feisty   yeah   but didn't they fix that
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: it calls my hdd sda and my dvd-rw hda on my laptop
[07:20] <Jmanfoo> in that case, is there a linux-based hard drive cloning app?
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Jmanfoo: yeah, dd
[07:21] <bryce_> Yippie!  Only problem now, is that Amarok wants me to download a plugin for playing mp3's, clicked yes and now waiting for hopefully what will be good results :)
[07:21] <jhutchins> el_isma: How did you manage to do that?
[07:21] <raylu> bryce_, that codec install script is buggy
[07:21] <intelikey> Jmanfoo you bet.   dd   even cat can.   but dd is the tool of choice
[07:21] <Jmanfoo> i've always used Ghost but it doesn't like going from scsi to sata
[07:21] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, some IDE devices will still be hdX, depends on the type. my cd/dvd is /dev/scd0
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> but so far, i'm loving ubuntu dells :D
[07:22] <intelikey> el_isma that's a permissions issue    sudo ping ununtu.com
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i only have two problems, and they're both minor
[07:22] <el_isma> intelikey: Nop, I'm in root
[07:22] <Jmanfoo> !info mp3
[07:22] <ubotu> Package mp3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:22] <vip3rousmango> Anyone know how to solve aRts serversound error? I just installed kde-multimedia pkg and when I try to run Noatun, I keep getting "Connecting/starting aRts soundserver faild. Make sure that artsd is configured properly."
[07:22] <raylu> Jmanfoo, libxine-extracodecs
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> el_isma: that's pretty not-smart, donchathink?
[07:23] <Jmanfoo> aha, bryce_ install that package raylu just posted
[07:23] <intelikey> el_isma hmm i get that error for users but not root.      what did you do to it ?
[07:23] <raylu> bryce_, if you do that, i'd recommend amarok is closed first
[07:23] <Jmanfoo> sorry folks, i had a few too many beers in my youth and my memory is bad
[07:23] <el_isma> jhutchins: I tried to bridge two ifaces and failed. When they were bridged they told me the same error. I destroyed the bridge and tried connecting, same error. Rebooting didn't help.
[07:23] <el_isma> Daisuke_Ido: not in this case. I know of the dangers, thank you
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[07:24] <jhutchins> vip3rousmango: set it to use alsa.
[07:24] <bryce_> So what should I download for a package?  Sorry, missed that.
[07:24] <raylu> bryce_, libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <raylu> i'm assuming amarok failed?
[07:24] <jhutchins> el_isma: virtualbox?
[07:24] <ardchoille> If you know of the dangers, and have been using Linux for any long length of time, you wouldn't run in root and be irc'ing ;)
[07:24] <bryce_> Yes it did fail
[07:24] <vip3rousmango> jhutchins: set what? Noatun doesn't run, that error pops up before it loads
[07:24] <bryce_> So how do I download that package?
[07:24] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ use adept manager
[07:25] <el_isma> jhutchins: nop, an atheros card and wired eth2 (for some strange reason, my only eth card is named eth2)
[07:25] <raylu> bryce_, adept. kmenu > system...i think. unless you want to try the konsole?
[07:25] <bryce_> K, thanks, looking now :)
[07:25] <Daisuke_Ido> if my touchpad were recognized as a touchpad, and my svideo were configured by default, i would be very very happy
[07:25] <intelikey> !info  libxine-extracodecs | bryce_
[07:25] <ubotu> bryce_: libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:25] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ its under system on the kmenu if you don't find it
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> !info Jmanfoo
[07:26] <ubotu> Package jmanfoo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:26] <raylu> ...
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> lol
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> it should!
[07:26] <jhutchins> !botabuse | Jmanfoo
[07:26] <ubotu> Jmanfoo: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:27] <jhutchins> vip3rousmango: Not sure what to suggest then, noatun is filed under "broken" in my notes.
[07:27] <jhutchins> xine, amarok, vlc, mplayer all usually work.
[07:28] <bryce_> OK... I'm seriously lost... I'm suppose to go to Adept Installer, I searched the package and it doesn't come up :(
[07:28] <Jmanfoo> yes thank you i know that the package does not exist
[07:28] <vip3rousmango> jhutchins: serious eh. Hmm.. i have amarok but I don't like it too much..
[07:28] <el_isma> jhutchins, intelikey: I restarted again now and it's working. I don't have a clue...
[07:28] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ try just searching for libxine and looking through the list
[07:28] <jhutchins> bryce_: Which package/
[07:28] <jhutchins> ?
[07:28] <intelikey> el_isma oh,  that's normal for me,
[07:28] <jhutchins> !find libxine
[07:28] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: That package will probably exist right after they start keeping libpatience.so.0 in the repos, lol
[07:28] <ubotu> Found: libxine-dev, libxine1, libxine1-dbg, libxine1-kde, libxinerama-dev (and 8 others)
[07:28] <el_isma> intelikey: Just restarting is one of the things I learnt not to rely on for linux...
[07:28] <bryce_> where do I type that jhut?
[07:29] <jhutchins> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:29] <raylu> bryce_, do you have adept open yet?
[07:29] <bryce_> yes, I just typed in the search and it came up with no results
[07:29] <el_isma> intelikey, jhutchins: thanks for your help!
[07:29] <jhutchins> bryce_: You may need to enable universe and multiverse, then update your sources.
[07:29] <intelikey> el_isma yeah i would NOT have sujested it...    i mean "not having a clue"  is normal for me.   sorry for the extrea confussion seeing you had sufficient already
[07:30] <bryce_> I just installed kubuntu tonight jhut... I'm totally new... waht does that mean?
[07:30] <notv> hello, does anyone know of a program that will convert daa to iso?
[07:30] <intelikey> el_isma and you is sho' welcome
[07:30] <Jmanfoo> notv, not in linux
[07:30] <Jmanfoo> daa is a proprietary format
[07:30] <notv> drats
[07:30] <jhutchins> bryce_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[07:30] <el_isma> intelikey: Lol. Indeed, I had enough for a couple of days! The weirdest thing is that I got this bridge working yesterday, and I even wrote down the steps... Bridges don't get along with me :(
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> what's daa?
[07:31] <Jmanfoo> poweriso will do it, even the trial version
[07:31] <notv> screw those propreitaries
[07:31] <ardchoille> bryce_: Yeah, check that link jhutchinsjust posted, good info there
[07:31] <Jmanfoo> daa is the proprietary filesystem image format used by PowerISO
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> uh-huh
[07:31] <jhutchins> el_isma: What is the actual goal of the bridge?
[07:31] <notv> yes poweriso says it works for linux on their site, but i dl it and it is an executable file
[07:31] <notv> it doesnt want to install for me
[07:31] <bryce_> OK, thank you jhut!
[07:31] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> when i left windows, alcohol 120% was the most awesome kid on the block, so... :\
[07:31] <raylu> bryce_, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu <--bottom of that page
[07:31] <bryce_> BRB... going to dive into this information :)
[07:32] <stdin> notv: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion < take a look there
[07:32] <Jmanfoo> notv make sure you dl'ed the right version
[07:32] <bryce_> Thanks Raylu :D
[07:32] <notv> it was the only dl option for linux
[07:33] <stdin> bryce_: kubuntu actually means something else to ubuntu
[07:33] <el_isma> jhutchins: providing LAN wifi side. I had NATed before, and I just don't like that solution. A bridge it's much better (ie: I can play games without problem)
[07:33] <stdin> bryce_: kubuntu means "Humanity Towards Others"
[07:33] <bryce_> ah too much information for first nnight lol
[07:33] <raylu> + KDE :D
[07:33] <bryce_> *writes down some more*
[07:33] <el_isma> stdin: "ubuntu", not "Kubuntu" ;)
[07:33] <intelikey> stdin without the K
[07:33] <jhutchins> stdin: Yes, but in which of the many "african languages"?
[07:34] <Jmanfoo> jhutchins, french
[07:34] <intelikey> africanees
[07:34] <raylu> ...
[07:34] <jhutchins> But of course!
[07:34] <ardchoille> Isn't it Swahili ?
[07:34] <jhutchins> I suspect that it's a steaming pile of kawabunga myself.
[07:34] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#kubuntumeaning
[07:34] <notv> what about IsoBuster?
[07:34] <intelikey> maybe zolu for all i know
[07:34] <jhutchins> "an african language"
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> did someone say cowabunga?
[07:35] <notv> it is zulu
[07:35] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[07:35] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, I think someone stepped insome on their way in.
[07:35] <Jmanfoo> as far as i know, poweriso is the only prog that can handle .daa files
[07:35] <Jmanfoo> which is why people who seed torrents in that format should be strung up by the short and curlies
[07:35] <intelikey> you guys are a hoot
[07:35] <intelikey> :)
[07:35] <notv> i guess ill just get poweriso for the windows box
[07:35] <stdin> notv: isobuster should convert just about anything
[07:35] <bryce_> Why do I have to "request install"?  Why can't I just install it?
[07:36] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ you request to install all the apps you want, then hit apply at the top
[07:36] <Jmanfoo> its so you can install more than one thing at a time
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: stepped in some radioactive ooze? i want some :D
[07:36] <bryce_> ooooh, thanks :) lol I would have been waiting to receive a reply LOL
[07:37] <Jmanfoo> anyone here ever built X.org from source?
[07:37] <bryce_> it's a whole new world for me
[07:37] <ardchoille> bryce_: cuz you're using a gui when cli is much easier?
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> plus your install has to go through six different departments at Canonical, and any one can deny your install request for any reason
[07:37] <bryce_> been windows for so long LOL
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> makes it an adventure trying to get anything :D
[07:37] <ardchoille> bryce_: What are you trying to install?
[07:37] <Jmanfoo> ardchoille, i definately don't recommend the CL for a new linux user
[07:37] <bryce_> i'm lost again :P
[07:37] <notv> stdin is isobuster on any repositories?
[07:37] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: Ah, new linux user? Good point
[07:37] <stdin> notv: no, it's a windows app, but it runs in wine well
[07:37] <ardchoille> !isobuster
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isobuster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Jmanfoo: then when they have to use the CLI for something, they get flustered and go back to windows?
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i dun think so
[07:38] <intelikey> stdin !   i think it worked as a symlink.
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> introduce it early
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> but keep it limited
[07:38] <Jmanfoo> sure, but gently Daisuke_Ido
[07:38] <notv> stdin how can i install it? directly from the site and run in terminal?
[07:38] <Jmanfoo> we did just have bryce mount an external drive from the CLI
[07:38] <stdin> intelikey: so now you can make your users think they've been hax0rd :p
[07:39] <Jmanfoo> and then we had him whip up a python-ncurses script to do it automatically from now on
[07:39] <intelikey> stdin no i can tell them i'm doing something on the server so they don't power it off.
[07:39] <Jmanfoo> so he's learning fast
[07:39] <intelikey> stdin has happened twice in 24
[07:39] <stdin> notv: install wine, then download the exe and run is from konsole with "wine filename.exe"
[07:40] <notv> i have wine
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> servers being powered off twice in 24 hours?
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> craptacular uptime there.
[07:40] <notv> oh yea thats right
[07:40] <Jmanfoo> in fact, i might dump KDE altogether for an all-ncurses interface
[07:40] <stdin> intelikey: DISPLAY=:1 xmessage "Turn is server off and I'll get you" :p
[07:40] <intelikey> stdin we use the zero use zero power theory,   if it's not being it gets no juice
[07:41] <intelikey> being used  ^
[07:41] <jhutchins> I tick therefore I am?
[07:41] <Jmanfoo> hmmm...someone is a mudder
[07:41] <intelikey> two that.
[07:41] <stdin> [ [ 2b ]  || ![ 2b]  ] 
[07:42] <stdin> ^ too be, or not too be, that is the question ^
[07:42] <Jmanfoo> if (!tobe) {suicide}
[07:42] <intelikey> we all got it.    you didn't have to decode it
[07:42] <stdin> intelikey: you got it, but I expected you to :p
[07:42] <intelikey> lol   well    duh
[07:42] <intelikey> :)
[07:42] <Jmanfoo> while (beer) {visionx2}
[07:43] <intelikey> that too
[07:43] <jhutchins> stdin: But where do we get "that is the question"?
[07:43] <el_isma> jhutchins: in the docs
[07:43] <Jmanfoo> ok serious stuff now
[07:43] <stdin> jhutchins: it's inside [ ] , so it's a test (question)
[07:43] <intelikey> jhutchins it's a test string
[07:43] <jhutchins> Good enough.
[07:43] <Jmanfoo> does anyone know of any issues with X.org 6.9.0 and FreeType 2?
[07:43] <intelikey> jhutchins the first and last [ ] 
[07:44] <jhutchins> got it.
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> xorg 6.9?
[07:44] <Jmanfoo> specifically while building x against the ft2 libraries
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[07:44] <notv> stdin does isobuster do daa? i dont see it listed in supported files but someone mentioned it on a forum
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> no clue
[07:44] <stdin> notv: you'll have to try it and see...
[07:44] <intelikey> anything within  [  ]   is a question/tested for true/false return.
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Did someone notice that you get a Debian desktop background when you install kde-core instead of a full-blown Kubuntu?
[07:45] <notv> stdin i am trying it...i doesnt seem to work, i wasnt sure if there was something i was missing
[07:45] <intelikey> :)
[07:45] <Jmanfoo> stupid .daa files
[07:46] <bryce_> wooohooo all 9000+ songs loaded :D  Thank you so much everyone for your help with this!  I was really beginning to get frustrated until I found out about this chatroom!  Thanks so much jman, jhut, raylu, stdin, everyone else!
[07:46] <intelikey> bryce_ irc calls these  CHANNELS  not rooms.
[07:46] <Jmanfoo> ftfuncs.c:57:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>
[07:47] <jhutchins> bryce_: In any case, you're welcome, thanks for letting us know it worked.
[07:47] <bryce_> ohhh... Channels!  New lingo ;)
[07:47] <intelikey> :)
[07:47] <Jmanfoo> np bryce_ any time
[07:47] <Jmanfoo> :)
[07:47] <bryce_> I would have said so sooner, I was just writting down all these steps so I can remember them :D  Got myself a new notebook and it's already got about 5 pages full in a couple hrs lol
[07:47] <intelikey> and i'm allways for a rebuke.  or a laugh  and if you ask the right Q i'll even answer. :)
[07:48] <bryce_> lol
[07:48] <intelikey> welcome.
[07:48] <jhutchins> bryce_: Listen, if you get around to it, go ahead and write up the step-by-step things and post 'em somewhere, a blog or a web page.  THere are always other people who need to know.
[07:48] <notv> ah, apparently isobuster wants my money
[07:48] <bryce_> how do you guys get different colors when you write?
[07:48] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ when we say your name konversation automatically highlights our text
[07:49] <jhutchins> It's an extract of rye ergot...
[07:49] <Jmanfoo> so when you say Jmanfoo it shows up red on my screen
[07:49] <bryce_> True enough, I've got a livejournal account (paid user lol) and I always write in there, so I'll create some new tags just for my new kubuntu experiences :)
[07:49] <stdin> bryce_: and konversation decides the other "random" colors
[07:49] <intelikey> bryce_ several ways.  but your irc client will highlight when it sees your name.  you know.
[07:49] <jhutchins> Jmanfoo: The effect varies depending on what iRC client you're running.
[07:49] <bryce_> cool, thanks :)
[07:50] <Jmanfoo> very true Jhutchins, my client actually reaches out and taps my shoulder
[07:50] <Jmanfoo> and plays Dixie
[07:50] <intelikey> bryce_ that's the reason anything not general to the channel.  you should address the person you want to notice it.
[07:50] <jhutchins> Mine used to step on the cat's tail, but that wasn't working so well.
[07:51] <bryce_> K... now what about this Konqueror browser... How do I get my good ol' FireFox up and running instead? lol
[07:51] <bryce_> Awesome, thanks for the advice intelikey :)
[07:51] <intelikey> in pm mine still barks at the dog.
[07:51] <intelikey> np bryce_
[07:51] <ardchoille> intelikey: dog? You using mutt?
[07:51] <intelikey> no bx  :)
[07:52] <intelikey> bitch x  ...
[07:52] <Jmanfoo> !info firefox | bryce_
[07:52] <ubotu> bryce_: firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9045 kB, installed size 28668 kB
[07:52] <intelikey> barks at the dog...  never mind.
[07:52] <stdin> bryce_: if you want firefox, open adept and install it :)
[07:53] <notv> stdin whats the best way to uninstall isobuster?
[07:53] <bryce_> what do I do with that !info firefox command? where do I write that? in adept manager?
[07:53] <Jmanfoo> although to be fair, i'd take konqueror over firefox any day if they had the same add-ons
[07:53] <bryce_> thanks stdin!
[07:53] <el_isma> FF lightweight? wtf??
[07:53] <bryce_> thanks ubotu
[07:53] <intelikey> !bot | bryce_
[07:53] <ubotu> bryce_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:53] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ ignore what i typed :)
[07:53] <jhutchins> Firefox is lightweight compared to full-blown mozilla.
[07:53] <Jmanfoo> does anyone still use full mozilla?
[07:54] <jhutchins> Yes.
[07:54] <intelikey> bryce_  ! is a signal to the bot to answer the next string and it can pipe to a user name or redirrect to a pm
[07:54] <stdin> notv: deleting the ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/ folder it's in
[07:54] <intelikey> !botsnack > bryce_
[07:54] <bryce_> LOL
[07:54] <bryce_> that's awesome!!!
[07:54] <intelikey> aint linux fun
[07:54] <intelikey> :)
[07:55] <Jmanfoo> not as fun as living on the edge and running bitchx as root :-p
[07:55] <intelikey> who would be that stupid ?
[07:55] <bryce_> lol
[07:55] <Jmanfoo> gee i dunno
[07:55] <Jmanfoo> probably the same person who would install norton under linux
[07:55] <intelikey> that's right Jmanfoo you dont
[07:56] <bryce_> wow, there are so many commands to learn!  No wonder everyone enjoys being lazy with windows... but so far I am liking all this :D
[07:56] <intelikey> !cli | bryce_
[07:56] <ubotu> bryce_: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:56] <bryce_> good question... do I need a virus protection?  does one come with this or no?
[07:56] <intelikey> !virus | bryce_
[07:56] <ubotu> bryce_: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[07:56] <stdin> !virus | bryce_
[07:57] <bryce_> Thanks intelikey!
[07:57] <intelikey> :)
[07:57] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ if you want an antivirus, look into avast, and then ask me for a key, i've got hundreds
[07:57] <stdin> !antivirus | bryce_
[07:57] <ubotu> bryce_: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[07:58] <bryce_> Thanks stdin, jman!
[07:58] <bryce_> I've got plenty of bookmarks to read now :D
[07:58] <bryce_> I love avast, it's what I used on windows, I've already got a key tho, thanks :D
[07:59] <stdin> bryce_: basically, when your windows friends say "Aww, I got a virus on my PC!" you can say "Virus? what's that?"
[07:59] <bryce_> is there a way to create an IRC friends list or no?
[07:59] <bryce_> lol
[07:59] <NickPresta> stdin, I respond with "What's Windows" ;)
[07:59] <intelikey> first few days may overwhelm the cognicience facility   but as soon as you get acustom to the learning curve it's like finding out what a computer is really for.
[07:59] <stdin> NickPresta: that's simple, it's a glass covered hole in the wall :)
[08:00] <bryce_> I'm looking forward to it!
[08:00] <NickPresta> stdin, indeed!
[08:00] <bryce_> Awesome, well, I should jet... I've got to work in 5 hrs, need some sleep lol
[08:00] <bryce_> Thanks a lot guys, really appreciate the help.  I'm sure I'll be back on this channel tomorrow :D
[08:00] <bryce_> Take care!
[08:00] <intelikey> shalom bryce_
[08:01] <NickPresta> My favourite thing to do is to take pictures of my desktop in "Mac OS X Clone" mode and then switch to something else every 5 minutes and send it to my friends who are using Windows. They think I'm amazing. haha
[08:01] <intelikey> ah the super ego at play
[08:01] <intelikey> :)
[08:02] <NickPresta> is there any other kind? ;)
[08:02] <intelikey> always fun for a day.
[08:02] <intelikey> NickPresta it was a referance to fruid
[08:02] <Jmanfoo> my friend went to great lengths to make his XP machine look like a mac, and i ask WHY?!
[08:03] <NickPresta> intelikey, I know of Dr. Freud =)
[08:04] <intelikey> heh
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah   /me can't even spell "i" correctly   what do you expect.
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a "meta-package" or something with the default looks of Kubuntu? I installed kde-core to not get all the clutter but now I have a default KDE, no Kubuntu look'n'feel...
[08:05] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock maybe kubuntu-artwork   ?
[08:05] <intelikey> !info kubuntu-artwork
[08:05] <ubotu> Package kubuntu-artwork does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:05] <intelikey> oops guess not
[08:05] <stdin> kubuntu-default-settings
[08:05] <intelikey> is that it ?
[08:05] <stdin> maybe
[08:06] <stdin> yep, that's it
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Looks like it could be "kubuntu-default-settings"
[08:06] <intelikey> i know you can go the other way   kubuntu > gnome  and add ubuntu-artwork
[08:06] <Jmanfoo> dual-core or athlon?
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh, stdin ninja'ed me...
[08:06] <stdin> "This package contains the default settings used by Kubuntu.  It also includes artwork and Kubuntu branding."
[08:06] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock yeah he's tricky that way.
[08:06] <Jmanfoo> whoops wrong chan
[08:07] <intelikey> k8
[08:08] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: That's still only partial though...
[08:08] <NickPresta> you might just want to install kwin-style-crystal and ksplash-engine-moodin.
[08:08] <MilhousePunkRock> NickPresta: I have those two already
[08:08] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock   kubuntu-desktop   but i dont like to reccomend it
[08:08] <Jmanfoo> is there a security setting in ubuntu that blocks grabDesktopImage?
[08:08] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Well, I took the detour along kde-core to stay away from that...
[08:09] <intelikey> yeah   i would avoid it.
[08:09] <notv> ive seen that other people have used poweriso but i dl it with wget yet the terminal says poweriso:command not found
[08:09] <intelikey> but  it will do what you asked.
[08:09] <Jmanfoo> notv whereis poweriso
[08:09] <intelikey> notv   ./ is not in the path by default.
[08:10] <notv> jmanfoo do i have to move it to usr/bin
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: On my previous installs I had to remove all that stuff I don't need, this time I will just add what I need instead... It's probably the same amount of work though...
[08:10] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: take a look at the depends and recommends of kubuntu-desktop, try the ones that look like it could br
[08:10] <Jmanfoo> notv you can type ./poweriso if you'rein the same directory as the executable
[08:10] <intelikey> notv   just specify path    ./filename
[08:10] <notv> i am unsure of where it dl to
[08:11] <notv> whats the command for locate?
[08:11] <ardchoille> locate
[08:11] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock only if you "think" you need the look and feel of default.
[08:11] <ardchoille> But you should do sudo updatedb first
[08:11] <stdin> find is quicker
[08:11] <Jmanfoo> oh god, yeah and after you type ubdatebd forget about using your machine for a couple hours
[08:11] <ardchoille> indeed, find is quicker
[08:11] <intelikey> notv   ls     find    locate   but you have to updatabase before locate is any good
[08:12] <intelikey> oh and the tab key
[08:12] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: What? updatedb takes 2 minutes at most here
[08:12] <Jmanfoo> depends on how much is on the machine
[08:12] <ardchoille> True
[08:12] <notv> whats the command for updatabase
[08:12] <Jmanfoo> an updatedb for me takes around 30 minutes
[08:12] <notv> 30G
[08:12] <ardchoille> notv: sudo updatedb
[08:12] <intelikey> ardchoille ha  i have one box that thirty minutes wont updatedb
[08:13] <notv> what does that do? rescan recently added files?
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Since I will customize it to my needs anyway, I can go without most of it, probably...
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> notv: That updates the database for locate
[08:13] <Jmanfoo> one of our interns at work ran updatedb on a 750GB shared file/web hosting server, killed it within 3 minutes
[08:13] <ardchoille> notv: it updates the slocate database
[08:14] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock preaching to the chiour
[08:14] <NickPresta> bye stdin
[08:14] <Jmanfoo> cat MyHeartBleedsForThee > stdin
[08:14] <ardchoille> my 250gb hd is about 6gb full
[08:14] <stdin> later people
[08:14] <ardchoille> have fun stdin
[08:14] <intelikey> stdin shalom
[08:14] <intelikey> and well be sure and get offtopic while you're gone.
[08:15] <ardchoille> Kind of a waste to buy 250gb hd's and then only use less than 10gb of it ever
[08:15] <stdin> you won't know when I'm gone, I'm just going /away :p
[08:15] <Jmanfoo> ardchoille, you're welcome to donate some of that space to me :-D
[08:15] <intelikey> i'll know.
[08:15] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: lol
[08:15] <intelikey> :)
[08:15] <Jmanfoo> i need to upgrade the hdd in this laptop
[08:15] <Jmanfoo> 80GB isn't cutting it
[08:16] <Jmanfoo> i'm dual-booting kubuntu and vista
[08:16] <Jmanfoo> and unfortunately kubuntu got the short end of that stick....for now
[08:16] <ardchoille> Vista? That's why 80gb isn't cutting it ;)
[08:16] <Jmanfoo> exactly
[08:16] <intelikey> wash your mouth out with soap.     vesta is a dirty word.
[08:16] <ardchoille> Can't you just get rid of windows? I haven't touched windows since 2001
[08:16] <Jmanfoo> but all my music is on the vista partition, so until i can find another machine with 35GBs free, it stays
[08:17] <ardchoille> Ah, good point
[08:17] <NickPresta> ardchoille, if I could play all my games on GNU+Linux, I would be Windows free too. =(
[08:17] <Jmanfoo> who needs games when you can build software from source?
[08:17] <Jmanfoo> its just as fun!
[08:17] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: Transfer to external hd, then format the internal, install kubuntu and bring the music back?
[08:17] <intelikey> NickPresta you have a wintendo boxen eeh ?
[08:17] <NickPresta> intelikey, I dual boot exclusively for games I cannot play via Wine.
[08:17] <Jmanfoo> that would work adchoille except i dont have an external
[08:18] <ardchoille> :(
[08:18] <intelikey> that's what that means
[08:18] <Jmanfoo> and i have everything in kubuntu exactly how i want it
[08:18] <intelikey> Jmanfoo you should never do that
[08:18] <Jmanfoo> i havent booted into vista in two months
[08:18] <Assid> vista?
[08:19] <Assid> people actually use that thing
[08:19] <ardchoille> Unfortunately, yes
[08:19] <flaccid> yes millions do
[08:19] <notv> aha! so it can be done
[08:20] <intelikey> Jmanfoo  always have some little something to adjust/add/remove/reconfigure/improve    if the pinguin ever gets the idea you don't want to play with it anymore it will go for a long cold swim on you....
[08:20] <Jmanfoo> rip on it all you like, i'll take vista over win98 any day
[08:20] <NickPresta> I upgraded to Vista to experience Aero and such. Do I regret it? Not really. I don't use Vista enough to notice how bad it may be.
[08:20] <Assid> is that the numbers microsoft gave you flaccid ?
[08:20] <flaccid> Assid: i don't talk to microsoft wtf
[08:20] <ardchoille> People complain that Linux is too hard to use. I have an 8 year old niece who uses kubuntu daily (she dumped windows last year), if that doesn't yell easy, nothing does.
[08:20] <Jmanfoo> intelikey if i had more space on this partition i'd tinker with the kernel, but alas such is not the case
[08:21] <Jmanfoo> archoille my wife thought XP was hard, she loves linux
[08:21] <Assid> NickPresta: broken backward support compatibility, driver issues, high hardware requirements
[08:21] <Jmanfoo> in fact she runs CentOS
[08:21] <ardchoille> Nice :)
[08:21] <Jmanfoo> she thought kubuntu was too "kid gloves" for her
[08:21] <Jmanfoo> lol
[08:21] <intelikey> well as long as you keep telling linux there is one more thing to do,  you'll probably be ok.
[08:21] <ardchoille> lol
[08:21] <NickPresta> Assid, there was nothing broken for my system and my hardware is fairly new, so it wasn't an issue.
[08:21] <notv> kubuntu seems like it should bury windows
[08:21] <idw> hey
[08:21] <Jmanfoo> notv, i think the installation still needs work
[08:22] <NickPresta> !hi | idw
[08:22] <ubotu> idw: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:22] <ardchoille> notv: It will, just not as fast as we'd like.
[08:22] <Assid> i mean im tired of the whole ms bashing., but seriously. how do you release a new os and not have proper software backward compatibility and stuff
[08:22] <flaccid> vista sold 20mil in first month. and thats an official stat for retail, not from m$
[08:22] <idw> can somone help me with somthing i've only just moved to ubutnu from windows lol
[08:22] <Assid> ardchoille: its not as easy as you think
[08:22] <notv> has anyone tried out ubuntu-studio?
[08:22] <Jmanfoo> the install process still requires a bit more knowledge than the average user has, but after that point i've had several computer newbs use kubuntu with no problem
[08:22] <Assid> flaccid: those are the number of licensed copies distributed.. not actually in use
[08:22] <flaccid> Assid: your point being?
[08:22] <idw> so anyone want to help me ?
[08:22] <Assid> its like this.. just because you have firefox installed on windows.. doesnt mean your actually using it
[08:23] <NickPresta> !ask | idw
[08:23] <ubotu> idw: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:23] <Jmanfoo> idw whats up?
[08:23] <idw> im having trouble with a hard drive being recognised
[08:23] <intelikey> external ?
[08:23] <flaccid> there is no doubt there are more than 1 million vista users active since it was released... why is this hard to believe?
[08:23] <Assid> my bro's office got a new core2 laptop.. they complain its super slow.. setting up a network on it is  pita
[08:23] <idw> it wont let me change to owner from root to me. so i need to log in as root to change the properties all the time
[08:23] <idw> and when i reboot admin blocks the hdd anyway
[08:23] <notv> can you buy a new laptop without windows already on it?
[08:24] <notv> i hate to waste the extra reformatting
[08:24] <Assid> flaccid: weird.. everyone i know who touched it. gets pissed off that you need a super high requirements
[08:24] <Assid> notv: dell actually gives you ubuntu
[08:24] <intelikey> idw ntfs ?    there is no ownership permissions bits
[08:24] <solid_liq> notv: yes, from dell you can get them with ubuntu preinstalled
[08:24] <flaccid> Assid: yes, but we are not talking about requirements. we are talking about uptake.
[08:24] <ardchoille> notv: You can buy a new laptop from Dell with ubuntu on it :)
[08:24] <flaccid> this is not #os-war
[08:24] <solid_liq> notv: and very soon you'll be able to get them that way from hp, acer and lenovo too
[08:24] <Jmanfoo> i didn't see what the big hype was about vista
[08:24] <Assid> requirements and uptake pretty much go hand in hand
[08:24] <Jmanfoo> it has a couple nice new features
[08:24] <Jmanfoo> but it doesn't have a quarter of the neat stuff that linux has had for over a decade
[08:24] <idw> its fat32 now
[08:24] <notv> are you serious?
[08:25] <solid_liq> Jmanfoo: but overall it sucks doesn't it?
[08:25] <notv> are they cheaper?
[08:25] <intelikey> idw you have to use a psyudo owner/perms bit in the mount command.   either through the fstab file or on the command line
[08:25] <flaccid> Assid: thats a massive generalisation and not one that gets you out of this hole
[08:25] <notv> than the ones with windows
[08:25] <idw> i had to remount it to make it let me acesss it in g parted
[08:25] <solid_liq> it's still ntfs
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> solid_liq it isn't bad i dont think
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> its bloated
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> as usual
[08:25] <Assid> hehe
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> but not as bad as win98
[08:25] <solid_liq> Jmanfoo: oh man, it has so many bugs it's pathetic
[08:25] <notv> which version of ubuntu
[08:25] <NickPresta> idw, you have to mount the HDD/partition so you can write to it
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> win98 is the bane of my existence
[08:25] <flaccid> you don't have to come in here and say crap about winbloze.. we already know
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> solid_liq i never had any bugs with it
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> i hear everyoen say how buggy it was
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> and incompatible
[08:25] <idw> i mounted it its mine im the owner it works fine
[08:25] <notv> and all this time ithought dell was evil
[08:25] <solid_liq> Jmanfoo: try it on a laptop heheh
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> i stress my systems pretty had
[08:25] <Jmanfoo> hard*
[08:26] <Jmanfoo> and never had a problem with vista
[08:26] <idw> but every time i acess it i need tp put in the admin password
[08:26] <Jmanfoo> solid_liq, i did
[08:26] <Jmanfoo> it came on my new HP laptop
[08:26] <intelikey> idw you want   something along this line.      sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/hda1
[08:26] <Jmanfoo> preloaded
[08:26] <flaccid> brb
[08:26] <NickPresta> idw, access it how? how did you mount it?
[08:26] <intelikey> idw the manual page for the mount command can explain that     man mount
[08:27] <Jmanfoo> but i run all sorts of GNU software ported to windows, that used to break XP and win98 all the time
[08:27] <Jmanfoo> vista never flinched on it
[08:27] <Jmanfoo> yes UAC is annoying
[08:27] <idw> i just mounted it i have no trouble using the drive or its data. just every time i login i need to put in the admin pasword to use the drive.
[08:27] <Jmanfoo> but other than that i had no problems whatsoever with it
[08:27] <idw> i want to use use it without having to.
[08:27] <Jmanfoo> beyond its intent to eat my whole hard drive with nothing
[08:27] <intelikey> idw i'm telling you,  but you are not listening.
[08:28] <ardchoille> idw: You can chown the mount point to your user, that will keep you from having to intput a pw every time.
[08:28] <intelikey> you need to adjust the ownership or permissions in the fstab file for the drive
[08:28] <notv> daa to iso yay ubuntu never fails to come through
[08:28] <Jmanfoo> yeah dont be mounting that sucker as suid
[08:28] <intelikey> ardchoille ?
[08:28] <Assid> i actually got to  scan my friends drive later.. he got a virus on it
[08:28] <Assid> lol
[08:28] <intelikey> ardchoille i don't think so
[08:28] <idw> ok so the command intelikey put as to mount it under my user
[08:29] <idw> did the tab thing still does it.
[08:29] <intelikey> idw what is the device and the mountpoint ?
[08:29] <ardchoille> intelikey: if you sudo chown user:user /mountpoint  that will keep you from having to input a password everytime.
[08:29] <idw> i havent got a clue how to worjk that out
[08:29] <intelikey> ardchoille you can't run that on the mounted fs and it's worth nothing on the mountpoint
[08:30] <intelikey> idw ok do this.   mount    and pastebin the output
[08:30] <ardchoille> intelikey: Ok, that's how I did it and it works great.. what is the proper way?
[08:30] <intelikey> ardchoille on vfat ?
[08:30] <idw> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:30] <Assid> see.. the main issue people have with adopting linux is that they have to go through hell to get 3d acceleration..  play with xorg to get the right resolution and refresh rates.
[08:30] <intelikey> that's not it
[08:30] <idw> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[08:30] <idw> /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[08:30] <intelikey> nor that
[08:30] <ardchoille> oh, vfat? no, I don't use vfat.. I thought he was talking about ext2/3
[08:30] <idw> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
[08:31] <idw> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[08:31] <idw> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[08:31] <idw> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[08:31] <idw> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[08:31] <idw> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[08:31] <idw> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[08:31] <idw> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
[08:31] <idw> /dev/hdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077)
[08:31] <intelikey> ardchoille he did specify fat32 before the flood
[08:31] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste | idw
[08:31] <ubotu> idw: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:31] <Jmanfoo> Assid, i agree
[08:31] <ardchoille> intelikey: Oh, my bad, sorry
[08:31] <Jmanfoo> Assid, the initial partition and package selection trips most people up too
[08:31] <intelikey> idw ok.    you need to run    kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[08:32] <Assid> Jmanfoo: well.. that part is ok.. atleast in the likes of kubuntu
[08:32] <Jmanfoo> i mean, i've been using linux for over 10 years, and going through a fedora core install, i still dont know what 70% of those packages do
[08:32] <Assid> Jmanfoo: and then all those dependencies
[08:33] <idw> intelikey what ?
[08:33] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: Well, you have to admit that the Fedora installer is much more complicated than the kubuntu installer.
[08:33] <intelikey> idw you need to add this line,>>>     /dev/hdb1 /media/disk vfat fmask=111,dmask=000 0 0       <<<    are you with me ?
[08:33] <Jmanfoo> even kubuntu isn't there quite yet, like i said most of the questions i get are during the install and initial configuration stage
[08:33] <Jmanfoo> after that even the most computer illiterate person can usually fly on their own
[08:33] <NickPresta> idw, open up Konsole. Type in "kdesu kate /etc/fstab". Add that line intelikey just told you.
[08:34] <Assid> the way i see it, even the average schmoe if he wants to use kubuntu and have commercial support.. thats gonna cost him
[08:34] <Assid> but commercial suport is on a yearly basis.. and cost almost as much as a copy of XP
[08:34] <Jmanfoo> archoille actually the latest fedora gui installer dumbs it down too much, so no matter what you end up installing way more junk than you really need
[08:35] <intelikey>     /dev/hdb1 /media/disk vfat defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000 0 0
[08:35] <Assid> Jmanfoo: and therefore we are back on windows?
[08:35] <ardchoille> Well, Fedora has always installed a lot of junk, IMHO
[08:35] <Jmanfoo> for what its worth, i do tech support as part of my job at an ISP, and i unofficially support linux for end-users
[08:35] <intelikey> idw   so you can copy and paset it    ^
[08:35] <Jmanfoo> except for configuring dial-up modems, i wont touch that lol
[08:35] <intelikey> paste that is.
[08:35] <intelikey> Jmanfoo yeah.
[08:36] <idw> give me a second its telling me to install kdesu
[08:36] <Jmanfoo> do what?!
[08:36] <intelikey> he has gnome
[08:36] <ardchoille> Huh?
[08:36] <Jmanfoo> oh
[08:36] <intelikey> idw wait.
[08:37] <ardchoille> idw: What?
[08:37] <idw> yes
[08:37] <intelikey> idw use this command       gksudo gedit
[08:37] <intelikey> idw use this command       gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:37] <ardchoille> yeah, good catch intelikey
[08:37] <Assid> Jmanfoo:  see thats another problem
[08:37] <Assid> too many damn choices
[08:37] <Jmanfoo> haha that's never a problem in my book
[08:37] <intelikey> Assid you mean not enough
[08:37] <ardchoille> Choice is a good thing.
[08:37] <Assid> yeah but too many damn distros
[08:37] <intelikey> we want more options
[08:38] <ardchoille> I don't want an OS telling me which app I have to sue for a certain task
[08:38] <intelikey> we want more options
[08:38] <intelikey> we want more options
[08:38] <ardchoille> *use
[08:38] <NickPresta> Not meant to sound rude, but if you have Gnome, you should be in Ubuntu or state that you're using Gnome.
[08:38] <Assid> you rather get 1-2 less applications.. but more support for those apps
[08:38] <intelikey> ardchoille the freudian slip there might have been more accurate
[08:38] <intelikey> :)
[08:38] <Jmanfoo> i dunno about more support, maybe just a more prominent google search tool lol
[08:38] <ardchoille> :)
[08:38] <idw> what was the lnik to the paste bin
[08:39] <Assid> and damn,. god bless you if your a mac user
[08:39] <intelikey>     /dev/hdb1 /media/disk vfat defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000 0 0
[08:39] <Assid> hehehe.. there you go
[08:39] <intelikey> it's not a link,  but ok.
[08:39] <idw> mac's are good for what i do.
[08:39] <ardchoille> intelikey: Sorry, my keyboard has no DWIM feature
[08:39] <idw> i wouldnt use pro tools on anything else.
[08:39] <intelikey> lol
[08:39] <Assid> theres just tooo much bad blood between every damn os type
[08:40] <Jmanfoo> does anyone know a good speech recognition library for *nix?
[08:40] <Assid> Jmanfoo: festival
[08:40] <Jmanfoo> i did happen to like my voice commands on vista
[08:40] <Assid> wait. speech recognition
[08:40] <intelikey> idw did you get it ?
[08:40] <Assid> hrmm not sure
[08:40] <Assid> Jmanfoo: sphinx ?
[08:40] <Jmanfoo> !info sphinx
[08:40] <ubotu> Package sphinx does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:41] <Assid> !info sphinx2
[08:41] <ubotu> Package sphinx2 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:41] <Assid> hrmm apparently only on gutsy
[08:41] <Assid> or  compile it
[08:42] <sanzanric> here's a question, when will google  start supporting Ubuntu, like firefox
[08:42] <flaccid> !info sphinx2-bin
[08:42] <ubotu> sphinx2-bin: speech recognition utilities. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-2 (feisty), package size 138 kB, installed size 480 kB
[08:42] <Assid> sanzanric: probably never
[08:42] <Assid> there is no reason for it to do so
[08:42] <Assid> sanzanric: besides. ubuntu isnt the only distro out there.. so they rather have a simple linux support
[08:42] <Jmanfoo> ugh, if they do that then google will port their nasty little tools to linux too
[08:43] <sanzanric> what if google desktop was included by default
[08:43] <Assid> sanzanric: google.com/linux
[08:43] <Jmanfoo> and then even us *nix users will have our entire lives documented in the database of TIC that is google
[08:43] <Assid> sanzanric: you could get the deb repositories that would work for you atm
[08:43] <Jmanfoo> alright, gotta work soon
[08:43] <Jmanfoo> later folks
[08:43] <sanzanric> i'm mean, like giving free money to Ubuntu
[08:44] <sanzanric> not software support
[08:44] <Assid> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free
[08:44] <intelikey> idw you save and exit gedit ?     then you should now be able to issue this command, for an "all fixed" state.      sudo umount /dev/hdb1 && mount -a       and that assumes that you don't have anything like a gnome-terminal or file manager accessing the drive at the time. (if it gives errors that's probably why)
[08:44] <Assid> hrmm.. probably never
[08:45] <Assid> alrite bbl
[08:45] <intelikey> and i'm gonna step out for a few,  back in ten.
[08:45] <idw2> says only root can do it
[08:45] <sanzanric> yet, firefox corp makes some 20mil a years from google alone
[08:45] <intelikey> !root
[08:45] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:45] <Assid> through advertisements
[08:46] <intelikey> sudo mount -a
[08:46] <Assid> get kubuntu to bundle advertisements .. but then it could loose user loyalty
[08:46] <Assid> sanzanric: they make money cause firefox default page is google
[08:46] <raylu> no, it *WILL* lose user loyalty
[08:46] <raylu> kubuntu doesn't need ads.
[08:46] <ardchoille> Assid: And very quickly. I hate ads and go out of my way to give my business to the competitors of the companies who's ads I see.
[08:47] <sanzanric> firefox doesn't have ads, the default search engine is google
[08:47] <raylu> there are plenty of alternatives to ubuntu. worse than user loyalty, it will loser developer loyalty
[08:47] <Assid> ardchoille: i had satellite provider that used to add more logos on the damn screen.. ended up throwing it out.. lost some money cause of that
[08:47] <Assid> alrite brb
[08:47] <Assid> need to head for shower
[08:48] <idw2> now what?
[08:49] <raylu> idw2, ? what are you trying to do?
[08:49] <Ch1ppy> hey, does anyone know a decent WYSIWYG editor?
[08:49] <sanzanric> hey, Ch1ppy
[08:49] <idw2>  i havent got a clue anymore.
[08:50] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: hello again :)
[08:50] <flaccid> !info qanta
[08:50] <sanzanric> for HTML?
[08:50] <ubotu> Package qanta does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:50] <NickPresta> !quanta
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <flaccid> !info bluefish
[08:50] <Ch1ppy> for HTML, sorry
[08:50] <ubotu> bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-1 (feisty), package size 1570 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[08:50] <Ch1ppy> IIRC it's Quanta Plus
[08:50] <sanzanric> aptana
[08:50] <flaccid> !find quanta
[08:50] <ubotu> Found: quanta, quanta-data
[08:50] <flaccid> !info quanta
[08:50] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[08:50] <Ch1ppy> or not :P
[08:51] <NickPresta> sanzanric, aptana really isn't a WYSIWYG editor though
[08:51] <flaccid> bluefish is promising
[08:51] <sanzanric> Yes, bluefish is good
[08:51] <flaccid> it depends what you looking for
[08:51] <flaccid> actually i don't know if bluefish does wysiwyg
[08:51] <NickPresta> of course, writing markup, styling and behavior by hand is best. =)
[08:51] <Ch1ppy> I'm gonna be using it for doing rough layout work
[08:51] <flaccid> http://w3.org is where you really want to start
[08:52] <Ch1ppy> so pretty much anything will do
[08:52] <Ch1ppy> won't actually be used for anything other than documentation :P
[08:52] <Ch1ppy> and even then, only two people (including myself) will ever see it
[08:52] <sanzanric> Aptana is very nice if you like eclipse, i think its great
[08:52] <sanzanric> screem
[08:53] <sanzanric> scream
[08:53] <magicalmoose> Hey, I need help with my sound card working with kubuntu. I'm using kde. Anyone that can help me, talk to me please
[08:53] <intelikey> what did i miss here      -:- SignOff idw2: #kubuntu ("going to find help that works"    ???
[08:53] <Ch1ppy> rofl
[08:53] <flaccid> !info screem
[08:53] <ubotu> screem: A GNOME website development environment. In component main, is optional. Version 0.16.1-4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2073 kB, installed size 7700 kB
[08:54] <flaccid> yeah thats the otehr one there
[08:54] <flaccid> idw2 had root problems
[08:54] <intelikey> what the poor guy didn't know he had fixed it ???
[08:54] <intelikey> flaccid no he had a mount problem
[08:55] <intelikey> i talked him all the way through it.
[08:55] <flaccid> [16:45]  <idw2> says only root can do it
[08:55] <flaccid> and that
[08:55] <intelikey> and just below that... <intelikey> sudo mount -a
[08:55] <magicalmoose> Can anyone help me with my sound card working with kubuntu?
[08:55] <intelikey> then the    "now what"  and he left with that quit message
[08:56] <flaccid> you get that...
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[08:56] <flaccid> the problem being we are human
[08:56] <intelikey> yeah.    well he'll figure it out.
[08:57] <intelikey> magicalmoose didn't you and i go over that eariler and i was useless to you ?
[08:57] <intelikey> if not i'll do that now...  :)
[08:57] <magicalmoose> no, that was about root passwords
[08:58] <intelikey> JohanSalim:  ok what is the sound issue.   have you tried the trubble shooting wiki ?
[08:58] <intelikey> !sound | magicalmoose
[08:58] <ubotu> magicalmoose: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:58] <intelikey> that first was for magicalmoose
[08:58] <intelikey> i don't know how that nick completion happened.
[08:59] <intelikey> magicalmoose  repost.    ok what is the sound issue.   have you tried the trubble shooting wiki ?
[09:00] <magicalmoose> intelikey im going to do that right now, thanks
[09:00] <intelikey> k let me know how it turns out.
[09:00] <el_isma> How do I completely remove all iptables rules?
[09:00] <magicalmoose> okay
[09:00] <intelikey> sudo iptables -F
[09:00] <intelikey> i think
[09:01] <intelikey> you can check the man page on it
[09:01] <intelikey> el_isma man iptables    i think it's  -F
[09:01] <el_isma> jhutchins, intelikey: I got the bridge to work! the "ping: sendmsg: operation not permitted" got away after I grabbed Guarddog (a gui for iptables, i think) and told it to disable the firewall.
[09:01] <intelikey> flush all rules.
[09:02] <intelikey> el_isma yes guarddog is a frontend to iptables.
[09:02] <intelikey> !firewall
[09:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:02] <el_isma> intelikey: tried that, and -X, either I'm wrong in respect as what Guarddog is doing (ie: killing something else besides iptables?) or Guarddog is doing something different
[09:03] <sanzanric> bye
[09:03] <intelikey> el_isma venella   iptables    should show what is set
[09:03] <intelikey> may need root
[09:04] <el_isma> intelikey: venella?
[09:04] <intelikey> no flavouring added
[09:04] <el_isma> intelikey: vanilla!
[09:04] <NickPresta> el_isma, vanilla
[09:04] <el_isma> intelikey: iptables -L , in any case. Shows all empty (but it's lying! I'm sure of it!)
[09:05] <intelikey> i don't tell you how to spell your name, do dont tell me....
[09:05] <intelikey> el_isma no.   this is not windows.   it lies to you.   linux isn't bad to do that.
[09:06] <el_isma> intelikey: Ok. So, what does Guarddog do that iptables -F doesn't?
[09:06] <NickPresta> when putting in duplicate entries into your input chain, does iptables sort that out? what about domain name? will iptables resolve that?
[09:06] <intelikey> it may setup ipforwarding ?   idk.
[09:06] <intelikey> dnsmasq ?
[09:06] <intelikey> idk.
[09:06] <el_isma> what's idk?
[09:07] <intelikey> i'm still networking illiterate
[09:07] <intelikey> idk=i don't know
[09:07] <el_isma> ok
[09:07] <intelikey> and some of you think "spelling illiterate too"
[09:08] <intelikey> it's not that i can't spell    it's just that the rest of you cant read what i spell...
[09:08] <el_isma> sit? :P
[09:08] <intelikey> lol  yeah  sit too
[09:10] <kazuma_> hi
[09:10] <intelikey> kazuma_
[09:10] <kazuma_> how do i kill a process? xD
[09:10] <intelikey> kill the process id   or killall the process name
[09:10] <kazuma_> my firefox doesn't respond and i want to finish it :P
[09:10] <el_isma> kazuma_: if it's in a gui, ctrl-alt-esc and click on it
[09:11] <kazuma_> thanks
[09:11] <el_isma> kazuma_: process manager could do it too
[09:11] <intelikey> you can use the command line or the pointy clicky thingy     alt+esc   i think
[09:11] <el_isma> (sometimes, ctrl-alt-esc doesn't completly kill a program)
[09:11] <intelikey> or   ctrl+alt+esc
[09:11] <kazuma_> thanks
[09:11] <el_isma> ctrl+esc
[09:11] <intelikey> but   alt+esc  should open ksysguard   no?
[09:11] <el_isma> ctrl+esc, intelikey
[09:11] <intelikey> oh ctrl    my bad
[09:12] <el_isma> I really like htop for managing processes from the console
[09:12] <el_isma> do you know htop, intelikey?
[09:12] <intelikey> heh.    i could start a gui and install kde and check before i type but i'm too lazy
[09:12] <kazuma_> thanks friends
[09:12] <kazuma_> it worked!!
[09:12] <intelikey> el_isma no
[09:12] <el_isma> kazuma_: :)
[09:12] <intelikey> kazuma_ welcome
[09:12] <el_isma> intelikey: try it, you might like it :)
[09:13] <intelikey> !info htop
[09:13] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (feisty), package size 43 kB, installed size 172 kB
[09:13] <Ch1ppy> it's basically an easier to use top
[09:13] <el_isma> with pretty colours and all :P
[09:13] <kazuma_> anyone here uses beryl? :P
[09:13] <intelikey> !beryl
[09:13] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:14] <el_isma> kazuma_: does "I ran it for 5 min" count?
[09:14] <intelikey> help is in                      ^
[09:14] <ardchoille> el_isma: lol
[09:14] <kazuma_> xD
[09:14] <kazuma_> hahah well, i guess you don't use it a lot
[09:14] <kazuma_> i have a problem with a plugin :P
[09:14] <intelikey> he uses it a lot more than me.
[09:14] <el_isma> kazuma_: tell me, maybe I'll be able to help you
[09:15] <kazuma_> well it's the plugin called screensaver
[09:15] <kazuma_> :P
[09:15] <el_isma> the flying windows one, yes
[09:15] <kazuma_> flying windows one? =O
[09:15] <Ch1ppy> hm, I want to turn down my mouse sensitivity, any tips?
[09:15] <intelikey> Ch1ppy kcontrol
[09:15] <el_isma> Ch1ppy: dig in the misteries of Xorg.conf?
[09:16] <kazuma_> well i have one that makes the screensavers like background
[09:16] <el_isma> kazuma_: there are two modes, the dancing cube and the flying windows
[09:16] <el_isma> kazuma_: afaik
[09:16] <intelikey> well you could set it in xorg  but kcontrol  is easier
[09:16] <kazuma_> aaa sorry
[09:16] <kazuma_> it's one called
[09:16] <kazuma_> something with wrap
[09:16] <Ch1ppy> intelikey: kcontrol only have acceleration, and that's cranked down
[09:16] <kazuma_> xd
[09:17] <kazuma_> wraper or something like that
[09:17] <Ch1ppy> el_isma: I don't remember seeing sensitivity stuff in xorg.conf, let me look again
[09:17] <kazuma_> that makes the screensavers look like background?
[09:17] <intelikey> Ch1ppy it used to have...    sorry then.
[09:17] <el_isma> intelikey: I kinda lost hope any k* touching my xorg.conf. Everytime I did, it broke something
[09:17] <OutsiderNZ> could someone please help me install spca5xx
[09:17] <el_isma> Ch1ppy: probably in some option in the mouse section
[09:17] <Ch1ppy> intelikey: there's nothing other than acceleration though, which is stupid as hell :S
[09:17] <el_isma> kazuma_: Um, don't know about that one
[09:18] <intelikey> el_isma but kcontrol doesn't use xorg to control the mouse      or at least didn't
[09:18] <Ch1ppy> it doesn't
[09:18] <el_isma> ok. Didn't know that
[09:18] <kazuma_> xD
[09:18] <Ch1ppy> el_isma: there's nothing there
[09:18] <kazuma_> thanks friend
[09:18] <intelikey> i mean xoeg.conf    you both know that
[09:18] <el_isma> All I know is that changing resolution using the kde gui is suicidal for my xorg.conf
[09:18] <kazuma_> what is better, beryl or that compiz thing =o
[09:18] <intelikey> yes the does and it can break things
[09:19] <Ch1ppy> el_isma: kcontrol won't let me change mine, but that's my own fault :P
[09:19] <Ch1ppy> kazuma_: they're one and the same now :P
[09:19] <el_isma> Ch1ppy: one of my pcs lets me change it, and when you do, you realize that was a mistake
[09:19] <Ch1ppy> el_isma: heh
[09:19] <kazuma_> =o
[09:19] <kazuma_> i'm really new my friends :P
[09:20] <el_isma> kazuma_: Beryl was a fork of Compiz (beryl derived from Compiz). Now they got together again and they're called Compiz Fusion
[09:20] <OutsiderNZ> could someone please help me install spca5xx driver?
[09:20] <kazuma_> but you know, i feel my computer allready functional xD
[09:20] <intelikey> Ch1ppy well at anyrate there should be good documentation on the web about configuring the mouse sensitivity in xorg.conf   or xfree86.conf    should be the same.
[09:20] <Ch1ppy> ah, okay
[09:20] <kazuma_> anything you recommend me to do with kubuntu? :P
[09:20] <Ch1ppy> thanks
[09:20] <kazuma_> something cool?
[09:21] <kazuma_> i installed the yukuake or something like that, it's owesome
[09:21] <intelikey> Ch1ppy that's about all i can do for you,  maybe poing you to    ##linux   and  #xorg   channels here.
[09:22] <el_isma> kazuma_: use it :)
[09:22] <el_isma> kazuma_: I really like yakuake too
[09:22] <intelikey> i did adjust the mouse back in slackware 4  but that's been a while and i don't think i could remember how if i really tried
[09:22] <kazuma_> yeah you save time
[09:22] <kazuma_> and easy to do things
[09:22] <kazuma_> kubuntu it's making me lazy hahaha :P
[09:22] <Ch1ppy> figured out my problem
[09:23] <Ch1ppy> the default config has accel at 2x and pointer accel at 2px
[09:23] <Ch1ppy> with 800dpi, that is far too high
[09:23] <Ch1ppy> accel down to 1x is too high too
[09:23] <kazuma_> friends can i install compiz fusion?
[09:23] <Ch1ppy> but "Pointer threshold", whatever the heck that is, controls it much better, and a value of 0px is exactly what I want
[09:24] <intelikey> Ch1ppy you know you have to restart x for thing in xorg.conf to be applied...
[09:24] <Assid> damn
[09:24] <Assid> konqueror is acting like IE now
[09:24] <spawn57> did they change the way the [homes]  works on samba?
[09:25] <intelikey> kazuma_ Y sure.    but don't ask me to help you.
[09:25] <kazuma_> hhaha
[09:25] <kazuma_> ok let me check in the net:P
[09:25] <kazuma_> i can help anyone with usb modems that's my thing hahahah xD!!!
[09:25] <intelikey> !compiz
[09:25] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:25] <intelikey> again the help is in  #ubuntu-effects
[09:26] <kazuma_> thanks intelikey
[09:26] <Ch1ppy> intelikey: didn't get to xorg
[09:26] <Ch1ppy> intelikey: used kcontrol
[09:26] <intelikey> Ch1ppy :)
[09:26] <intelikey> lol
[09:26] <Ch1ppy> :)
[09:26] <intelikey> ok.
[09:26] <Ch1ppy> now, does anyone have a good window decoration that they recommend?
[09:26] <kazuma_> so i have to uninstall beryl ?:P
[09:26] <intelikey> imagine that
[09:27] <kazuma_> yeah that's another one
[09:27] <kazuma_> where do i get window decoration xD
[09:27] <intelikey> !theme
[09:27] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:28] <el_isma> kazuma_: you have both installed
[09:28] <el_isma> you can* have both installed
[09:28] <AhDiCt3D> Whats the libdecss thing called in repos?
[09:28] <AhDiCt3D> !dvd
[09:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:28] <kazuma_> yeah?
[09:28] <kazuma_> owesome
[09:28] <intelikey> "libdvdcss2"
[09:29] <kazuma_> thanks friends!
[09:29] <AhDiCt3D> i cant find libdvdcss2 in repos...i have universe enabled too
[09:29] <kazuma_> can i add you like friends? xD
[09:29] <intelikey> reak the link
[09:29] <intelikey> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:30] <intelikey> can't beleave it's this late.  sun's already up
[09:35] <el_isma> intelikey: Close the blinds and go on like nothing happened
[09:35] <intelikey> lol   (:
[09:36] <el_isma> It's quiet today, no?
[09:36] <el_isma> must be a sunday or something :P
[09:36] <el_isma> well, monday at this hour
[09:37] <Mo0oSaH> I'm bored...
[09:37] <intelikey> " [ 2b -o !2b ]  " *shakespear*        improvement on stdin's post eariler
[09:38] <el_isma> bash != geek
[09:38] <NickPresta> gah. I love to tinker but sometimes I should just leave well enough alone =(
[09:38] <intelikey> no    bash = bloat     sh = geek
[09:38] <intelikey> :)
[09:38] <NickPresta> zsh = geek ;)
[09:39] <intelikey> indeed
[09:39] <intelikey> kcsh too
[09:39] <NickPresta> anyways, I was playing around with iptables and just set a bunch of stuff to drop bots that try to exploit my webserver. I did something that ultimately would not allow any outgoing connections
[09:40] <NickPresta> I had to remove --purge iptables and then restart just so I could get online.
[09:40] <el_isma> NickPresta: iptables -F ?
[09:40] <intelikey> and you gotta love the old     "there are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binarry and those that don't"
[09:40] <NickPresta> I tried -Z INPUT/OUTPUT, -F INPUT/OUTPUT to no avail
[09:40] <NickPresta> (yes, I iptables-save afterwards)
[09:40] <OutsiderNZ> could someone please help me get my usb webcam working on kubuntu?
[09:41] <NickPresta> at any rate, I'm going to install iptables (which should have a fresh ruleset, right?) and see if everything is fine now.
[09:41] <intelikey> !webcam
[09:41] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:41] <OutsiderNZ> tried that
[09:41] <OutsiderNZ> didn't work
[09:41] <OutsiderNZ> lots of errors
[09:41] <el_isma> NickPresta: How can it be that iptables is above root? :S
[09:41] <NickPresta> el_isma, what do you mean?
[09:42] <el_isma> NickPresta: That you can't delete the rules without wiping it out entirely
[09:42] <intelikey> iptables support is in the kernel.  if that's what you are asking
[09:43] <intelikey> to remove iptables support you have to remove the kernel.
[09:43] <el_isma> intelikey: no. I'm saying that NickPresta had to remove iptables so that it would clean the rules
[09:43] <el_isma> intelikey: iptables support != iptables. no?
[09:43] <NickPresta> intelikey, I just wanted to remove the rules to get a "vanilla" iptables
[09:43] <raylu> er...clearing iptables rules and removing the whole thing are vastly different
[09:44] <raylu> on the other hand, to remove it, you'd only need to recompile the kernel
[09:44] <el_isma> raylu: how do you completly clean iptables?
[09:44] <intelikey> el_isma correct  but uninstalling "iptables"  will not flush the rules
[09:44] <raylu> i have no idea :P
[09:44] <NickPresta> intelikey, well, I don't know what I did since I can now connect fine.
[09:44] <raylu> i think it's iptables -F
[09:45] <NickPresta> raylu, I tried that, and it didn't work, in my case.
[09:45] <raylu> what did it do?
[09:45] <NickPresta> I had ~1100 rules in the INPUT chain
[09:45] <NickPresta> raylu, it wiped the chain of all rules but I could not connect still.
[09:45] <raylu> oh; that just means the problem isn't there
[09:45] <intelikey> doesn't matter how many    (well there is a limit but)
[09:46] <NickPresta> raylu, okay. I just inserted about 1100 rules. I'm going to iptables-save and see if I am fine
[09:46] <NickPresta> wish me luck
[09:46] <el_isma> raylu: do you know guarddog?
[09:46] <raylu> gl :P g'night
[09:46] <NickPresta> heh. I'm here!
[09:46] <raylu> i've used guarddog; i didn't like it
[09:46] <raylu> firewalls seem like a band-aid solution to me
[09:46] <raylu> especially when i have full control over my services
[09:47] <el_isma> raylu: I disabled the firewall using guarddog. Somehow, it is different from doing iptables -F or -X . Do you know what's the difference?
[09:47] <ardchoille> raylu: A fresh install needs no firewall anyway
[09:47] <raylu> no, sorry el_isma
[09:47] <intelikey> raylu but it depends on how you set the thing up   if you want to server public web pages/email/ftp you kinda need some filtering.
[09:48] <intelikey> but i agree with the "desktop" idea of "what firewall"
[09:49] <magicalmoose> I finally got my soundcard to work :D
[09:49] <magicalmoose> I'm so happy.
[09:49] <intelikey> magicalmoose good on ya mate
[09:50] <magicalmoose> It was so simple, I was reading about alsamixer, only to find out that the alsamixer program is actually muted by default
[09:50] <magicalmoose> So it was really simple, I just needed to look harder.
[09:50] <intelikey> i told you do run it in a console   didn't i and check that ?
[09:50] <el_isma> magicalmoose: that seems like a very dumb default :S
[09:51] <intelikey> wasn't that you ?
[09:51] <intelikey> el_isma better than a 100% all dials default   no?
[09:51] <magicalmoose> yeah, it is. but it said it in the wiki about it, and it was right,
[09:51] <dexter_> magicalmoose
[09:52] <magicalmoose> yes?
[09:52] <dexter_> can i ask something
[09:52] <magicalmoose> sure
[09:52] <magicalmoose> what?
[09:52] <dexter_> iam using kubuntu ver 7. something
[09:52] <intelikey> 4
[09:52] <magicalmoose> fiesty fawn, yes?
[09:52] <dexter_> i lost my konqueror how do i get back the konqueror
[09:53] <intelikey> lost ?      kmenu > network > konq*   ?   not there ?
[09:53] <c1|freaky> 04
[09:54] <c1|freaky> im on gutsy almost no new packagessince a few days
[09:54] <intelikey> c1|freaky the fourth month is the fourth month whether you say 04 or 4
[09:54] <Karti> Hi all, any ideas why my Konqueror explorer always stalls on my home folder?
[09:54] <magicalmoose> it really should be there. But I suppose you should download it from somewhere else, dexter.
[09:54] <c1|freaky> intelikey: the versions called 7.04 not 7.4
[09:54] <intelikey> c1|freaky ah yes there wont be sense the freeze until th ebeta release
[09:54] <intelikey> c1|freaky it's  yeah.month
[09:55] <magicalmoose> dexter: try downloading it online elsewhere?
[09:55] <c1|freaky> i know was just telling
[09:55] <dexter_> thanks i will try
[09:57] <intelikey> the reason they use the zero is to keep people that are to lazy to read the home page from thinking that 5.4 is later than 5.10    ;/
[09:57] <kraut> moin
[09:57] <intelikey> yo
[09:59] <intelikey> they should make a new james bond movie   this is  007 after all
[10:01] <intelikey> ok my other self takes over now.    gooday guys
[10:02] <el_isma> It seems ubuntu will delay Xorg7.3 till Gutsy+1
[10:02] <c1|freaky> thats good else ati drivers break again
[10:03] <el_isma> it ain't good! Xorg7.3 has (in theory) automatic hardware detection and true XRandr support
[10:07] <slougi> and ati drivers are pretty borked in any case...
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone again!
[10:13] <NickPresta> !hi | MilhousePunkRock
[10:14] <ubotu> MilhousePunkRock: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:14] <NickPresta> =)
[10:14] <MilhousePunkRock> I finally installed Kubuntu on my desktop too yesterday, I made a backup of ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ and ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc in order to be able to keep my mails
[10:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Now I copied that back, buy KMail complains it can't create the folder ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail due to some permission problems... Any ideas how to fix that (probably chown or so), already tried that in Konqueror, that did not help...
[10:16] <NickPresta> I should be getting to sleep. 4:15am is just past my bedtime. Goodnight #kubuntu
[10:16] <el_isma> bye, NickPresta
[10:17] <ardchoille> nn NickPresta
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: BTW, Amarok 1.4.7 also runs fine on Feisty here...
[10:21] <Riddell> MilhousePunkRock: great
[10:21] <mecannotread> guys do someone a better prgram then  gdesklets
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: There must have been some issues though, it received a small update already, huh?
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> mecannotread: Like Superkaramba?
[10:22] <mecannotread> yes
[10:22] <joseph111> hi all
[10:22] <mecannotread> milhouse : yes
[10:23] <joseph111> i have samba installed and need to share a folder with windows how do i do it?
[10:23] <MilhousePunkRock> mecannotread: It's mil<tab-key> for my complete name, that would be highlighted then... I have never tried that though. If you can still wait a few month, there is Plasma in KDE4, which does the same IIRC...
[10:23] <franko34> hi
[10:24] <franko34> I have a problem with "make modules modules_install", it returns some errors I can't find anything on them. error is here:        http://pastebin.com/m392aae1f
[10:24] <kazuma_> kalarm can reproduce mp3? xD
[10:24] <kazuma_> or is any way to do that xD
[10:24] <mecannotread> MilhousePunkRock,: yes its work thanks for the trick
[10:26] <mecannotread> MilhousePunkRock,  but do you know a better program then gdesklets
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> mecannotread: Did you look at superkaramba?
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> mecannotread: You are looking what is called "widgets" (is it called like that anyway?) in MacOS, right?
[10:27] <mecannotread> MilhousePunkRock, ooh sorry thanks...
[10:28] <mecannotread> MilhousePunkRock,  yes i was seaching for widget in the hope there were better program
[10:28] <MilhousePunkRock> mecannotread: I have never used any of those, so I don't really know. I only know there is SuperKaramba. You should look if that is what you want...
[10:29] <mecannotread> MilhousePunkRock,  ok thanks for the info  i have to check it out
[10:32] <joseph111> i have samba but when i try to access a shared folder from windows, it asks for a password and account
[10:32] <joseph111> can someone help me
[10:51] <linopil> !root
[10:51] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[10:51] <linopil> !sudo
[10:51] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:00] <roni_> help me  for install printer
[11:01] <roni_> help
[11:09] <MilhousePunkRock> roni_: You would have to be a little more descriptive to receive help
[11:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Is it possible to have the simple clock in kicker with the same glossy overlay background kubuntu's kicker has by default?
[11:16] <ardchoille> MilhousePunkRock: I think so, but you may need to restart kicker for the clock to match
[11:17] <MilhousePunkRock> ardchoille: That might explain why it would not work yet, thanks
[11:17] <swiftnomad> !Hello
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <swiftnomad> I'm having some trouble with compiz-fusion
[11:17] <MilhousePunkRock> swiftnomad: #ubuntu-effects
[11:17] <ardchoille> MilhousePunkRock: You can restart kicker with: cdop kicker default restart
[11:18] <ardchoille> MilhousePunkRock: dcop I meant
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> ardchoille: dcop, huh?
[11:18] <ardchoille> MilhousePunkRock: You can restart kicker with: cdop kicker default restart
[11:18] <ardchoille> but it's dcop, not cdop
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> ardchoille: Great, there goes the clock without background! Thanks!
[11:18] <root> please someone help me with a network problem
[11:19] <ardchoille> MilhousePunkRock: you're welcome :)
[11:19] <joseph111> can someone help me with samba
[11:19] <joseph111> i have a big problem
[11:19] <joseph111> anyone there?
[11:20] <joseph111> i need help with samba
[11:20] <ardchoille> There are lots of folks here, but not any that know samba or they may not be lookign at their screen
[11:21] <joseph111> anyone
[11:23] <MilhousePunkRock> NFS >> SMB ;)
[11:24] <kgx> !mp3
[11:24] <kgx> hey...what's the quickest way of converting wav to mp3?
[11:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:24] <MilhousePunkRock> kgx: KAudioCreator might be what you are looking for
[11:24] <MilhousePunkRock> !info kaudiocreator | kgx
[11:24] <ubotu> kgx: kaudiocreator: CD ripper and audio encoder frontend for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 907 kB, installed size 1488 kB
[11:24] <ardchoille> kgx: there's an app called grip that can do that iirc. it normally rips a music cd to wav's and then converts to mp3
[11:25] <kgx> thanks
[11:25] <ardchoille> kgx: never mind, see what MilhousePunkRock posted, grip is a gnome app.
[11:38] <deville> elo
[11:38] <deville> hehehe
[11:39] <deville> umm..
[11:39] <deville> may i ask somthing?
[11:39] <deville> can anyone teach me how to connect to DAL net??
[11:40] <esra_> hey i'm esin
[11:41] <deville> hi im jesar
[11:41] <deville> :P
[11:41] <deville> :)
[11:42] <SlimeyPe1e>  /connect <server address>
[11:42] <esra_> wat'sup?
[11:42] <deville> nothin' much
[11:42] <deville> hw bout u?
[11:43] <esra_> same
[11:43] <deville> a..
[11:43] <deville> asl pls?
[11:44] <deville> i suppose ur a gurl..am i ryt? :P
[11:44] <esra_> yep u re ryt
[11:44] <esra_> :)
[11:44] <deville> asl pls?
[11:44] <deville> :D
[11:44] <esra_> i m a gril
[11:44] <esra_> girl
[11:45] <esra_> :)
[11:45] <deville> age/sex/lodation?
[11:45] <deville> hehe
[11:45] <esra_> 18
[11:45] <esra_> girl
[11:45] <esra_> from turkey
[11:45] <esra_> u?
[11:46] <deville> 22 boi philippines
[11:47] <esra_> name?
[11:47] <deville> gax
[11:48] <OutsiderNZ> hi
[11:48] <chx> hi. I have a Panasonic Y5. if I boot into init=/bin/bash , then both s2ram (with -f -a 1) and hibernate works fine. If I boot into recovery mode , both just hangs. Where should I start eliminating? For example, how can I stop this or that kernel module from loading?
[11:49] <esra_> nice to meet u gax!
[11:49] <OutsiderNZ> looking for WaaWaa
[11:49] <esra_> :)
[11:49] <deville> nice to meet you too esin! :D
[11:51] <esra_> thnksss
[11:51] <esra_> :)
[11:51] <esra_> gax
[11:52] <OutsiderNZ> Looking for WaaWaa
[11:53] <deville> so..
[11:53] <deville> umm..
[11:53] <deville> studyng?
[11:53] <esra_> yep
[11:53] <esra_> u?
[11:54] <OutsiderNZ> Looking for Guy who helped me earlier
[11:54] <deville> nope
[11:54] <esra_> workin?
[11:54] <deville> up
[11:54] <deville> yup
[11:54] <esra_> ok
[11:55] <esra_> good
[11:55] <deville> i graduated 2 years ago
[11:55] <esra_> wat s ur job now?
[11:58] <deville> im a PHP programmer
[11:58] <deville> hehehe
[11:59] <esra_> ok
[11:59] <esra_> good
[11:59] <esra_> do u have msn adress?
[12:00] <richi_> Hi. I'm pretty sure this is one of the most asked questions, but how can I get the bloody ATI direct rendering in Kubuntu Feisty?
[12:00] <richi_> I achieved to make it work, but it faded away, and now I'm pretty lost.
[12:01] <richi_> And that
[12:01] <richi_> was a few months ago.
[12:02] <ardchoille> !ati
[12:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:03] <esra_> gax
[12:03] <richi_> Thanks, ardchoille & ubotu :)
[12:03] <esra_> r u there?
[12:03] <deville> yup
[12:03] <deville> im a PHP programmer
[12:03] <deville> hehehe
[12:04] <deville> i replied a while ago
[12:04] <deville> hehe
[12:05] <esra_> i ve asked whether u have a msn adress or not
[12:05] <esra_> :)
[12:05] <deville> aw..
[12:05] <deville> sorry
[12:05] <ardchoille> esra_: This is the kubuntu support channel. Do you have a kubuntu question?
[12:05] <deville> no..i dnt hav
[12:06] <deville> but i have a YM account
[12:06] <deville> hehehe
[12:06] <richi_> Open the restricted drivers manager included in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". where is that for Kubuntu??
[12:07] <ardchoille> richi_: No, that manager is a gnome app.
[12:07] <richi_> I see
[12:08] <richi_> How can I configure the ATI driver from KDE?
[12:08] <ardchoille> richi_:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:08] <richi_> Thats the web I'm surfing.
[12:09] <deville> esra..?
[12:09] <richi_> Oh, sorry
[12:09] <richi_> I missed the paragraph --Note: If you use Kubuntu then follow the instructions for 6.10 (Edgy)--
[12:09] <richi_> xD
[12:12] <fearl> richi_: That experience will be much better when they release 7.10 (gutsy)
[12:12] <Kennnn> HI, ive done a fresh install of Kubuntu feisty 7.04, and i cannot get any sound from my creative audigy platnium soundcard. counld anyone help please?
[12:12] <richi_> Nice to know that. But I hope I can get it running before that.
[12:13] <richi_> :P
[12:14] <esra_> esra is my sister's name gax
[12:14] <deville> aw..sori
[12:14] <deville> hehehe
[12:16] <esra_> not matter
[12:16] <esra_> gax
[12:16] <esra_> hehehhehe
[12:17] <deville> so..
[12:17] <deville> wat r u doin now?
[12:18] <deville> i min..r u bc?
[12:18] <esra_> nop
[12:20] <maverick_> i guess esra is an arabic name...
[12:21] <esra_> yep
[12:22] <esra_> im a mslim
[12:22] <deville> a..
[12:22] <deville> nice
[12:22] <deville> so..wat does ur name mean?
[12:23] <esra_> esin or esra?
[12:23] <deville> esin
[12:23] <esra_> inspriation
[12:23] <esra_> it means
[12:23] <deville> a..
[12:23] <esra_> so
[12:24] <deville> & esra?
[12:24] <esra_> i dont know
[12:24] <esra_> becoz
[12:24] <esra_> esra is arabic
[12:24] <esra_> name
[12:24] <Gwall> You have been promoted to Swindler. Your family provided you with a promotion money of $531,284
[12:24] <esra_> my name is turkish
[12:25] <deville> a..
[12:25] <deville> hehehe
[12:25] <deville> okies
[12:25] <esra_> r u mslim
[12:25] <esra_> or cristian
[12:25] <esra_> ?
[12:25] <deville> me..
[12:26] <deville> catholic
[12:26] <deville> umm..christian catholic, to be specific
[12:26] <deville> hehehe
[12:26] <esra_> well
[12:26] <esra_> good
[12:26] <esra_> :)
[12:28] <CJari> hi
[12:28] <deville> so..how's life der in turkey?
[12:28] <deville> hi CJari
[12:28] <esra_> oohh sper
[12:28] <deville> age/sex/location/
[12:28] <CJari> I was wondering how to reset the settings of KNetwork manager? because I cant figure why the wireless doesnt work anymore
[12:29] <esra_> turker is perfect country
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> deville, 18 *wink wink*/yes please/your house?
[12:33] <ardchoille> is archive.ubuntu.com down?
[12:34] <esra_> gax
[12:34] <ubuntu_> how can i acces my harddrive when i am in a live session with kubuntu, i dont want to instal kubuntu yet but i want to read some files from my disk, like music and documents in live mode, can someone tell me how i get this done?
[12:34] (deville/#kubuntu) nice
[12:34] (deville/#kubuntu) umm..
[12:34] (deville/#kubuntu) wat makes it perfect
[12:34] <SlimeyPe1e> ubuntu_: look into the "mount" command
[12:37] <ubuntu_> i can see the disk in the configurations tab but it say's disabled and it say's: this filesystem is curantly unabailable on the running kernel
[12:38] <esra_> clima
[12:38] <esra_> and nice place
[12:39] <Gwall> Success, you bought 396 bullets for $ 189,200
[12:39] <SlimeyPe1e> ubuntu_: you'll need to load the module for your filesystem then, if it's available on the livecd (it might not be)
[12:40] <CJari> hi, again
[12:41] <ubuntu_> from where do i have to load that?
[12:42] <SlimeyPe1e> ubuntu_: you need to use "modprobe" to load it.
[12:43] <deville> a...nice
[12:43] <Gwall> heist ?
[12:47] <CJari> anyone, know how to reset knetwork manager settings? are the settings stored in some dir?
[12:48] <MilhousePunkRock> CJari: Probably ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc or similar
[12:48] <Gwall> Pierce-Arrow 7W Sedan  	 0%  	$ 6,000  	 New York <-- heist pm me
[12:48] <ubuntu_> i cant find modprobe in the applications, can i download it somewhere?
[12:49] <MilhousePunkRock> ubuntu_: That a command that you run on the command line
[12:49] <SlimeyPe1e> ubuntu_: use it from a terminal. "sudo modprobe <module name>"
[12:49] <MilhousePunkRock> "That IS" even
[12:52] <greenkobold> is there a command that shows my path to the kernel?
[12:52] <CJari> MilhousePunkRock : thanks, that was the right location
[12:54] <Maxdamantus>  <greenkobold> is there a command that shows my path to the kernel?
[12:55] <Maxdamantus> The kernel will most likely be in /boot
[12:59] <Maxdamantus> You could try: $ grep -E "kernel(.*)vmlinuz" | /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:59] <Maxdamantus> And look at the first line without a #
[01:00] <Maxdamantus> It's probably listed in proc somewhere though.
[01:00] <maverick_> .ogg files were playing fine..suddenly they don't play anymore...any ideas ?!!
[01:00] <maverick_> i have all the codecs packages installed....i.e: gstreamer...etc
[01:02] <yellow_chicken> how to install kde start up manager instead of using the gnome-login manager?
[01:04] <Assid> yellow_chicken: apt-get install kdm
[01:04] <yellow_chicken> thanks i am installing
[01:10] <alyssa_> evening kubuntu peeples
[01:11] <Assid> no no..
[01:11] <SlimeyPe1e> g'dafternoon
[01:11] <alyssa_> still trying to make a mwave modem work in my lappy 9000 supercomputer
[01:11] <Assid> supercomputer ?
[01:11] <alyssa_> sarchasm its a thinkpad 770
[01:12] <Assid> hrmm
[01:12] <Assid> was wondering if you arleady got your hands on the quantum mechanics super computer or something
[01:12] <yellow_chicken> i just install kdm, i like that swirly back ground, where's it located?
[01:12] <alyssa_> debian default I think
[01:12] <Assid> does a yellow chicken lay a yellow egg ?
[01:13] <yellow_chicken> alyssa_: yes, but where is it?
[01:13] <alyssa_> uno momento
[01:13] <greenkobold> is this my kernel?: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic
[01:13] <Assid> i think /usr/share/backgrounds
[01:13] <Assid> or something
[01:13] <yellow_chicken> Assid: i don't know, i never lay one before. but i certainly got laid many times =)
[01:13] <Assid> by hen ?
[01:13] <Assid> roosters?
[01:14] <Assid> k
[01:14] <muimota> hello
[01:15] <muimota> just trying my new kubuntu distro
[01:15] <joseph111> are there widgets for ubuntu feisty?
[01:15] <muimota> works great!
[01:15] <alyssa_> right click the desktop, configure desktop,, change the picture to debian desktop
[01:15] <yellow_chicken> Assid: no, it's not at file:///usr/share/backgrounds/
[01:15] <alyssa_> apply ok
[01:15] <Assid> yellow_chicken: thats what i said
[01:15] <yellow_chicken> Assid: no, it's not at file:///usr/share/backgrounds/
[01:15] <alyssa_> or did he want instructions how to put it up
[01:15] <Assid> okay then i dont know
[01:16] <joseph111> are there widgetsfor ubuntu feisty?
[01:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:16] <joseph111> how do i get them
[01:16] <Assid> !karamba | joseph111
[01:16] <ubotu> joseph111: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[01:16] <joseph111> thanx
[01:16] <joseph111> so i sudo apt-get install karamba
[01:17] <alyssa_> its located at /usr/share/wallpapers/debian-kde_default.png
[01:17] <Assid> damit
[01:17] <Assid> i was right
[01:17] <alyssa_> whats this beryl I keep hearing about
[01:17] <Assid> it was /usr/share/wallpapers
[01:18] <Assid> alyssa_: compiz-fusion .. use that instead..
[01:18] <Assid> !cf
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <Assid> !compiz-fusion
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz-fusion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <Assid> stupid bot
[01:18] <joseph111> how do i use karamba
[01:18] <alyssa_> I saw the fun thumbnails desktop on osx and want something like that
[01:19] <Assid> alyssa_: #ubuntu-effects
[01:19] <Assid> its part of the topic
[01:19] <alyssa_> thankie
[01:19] <Assid> joseph111: apt-get install superkaramba
[01:19] <Assid> or something
[01:19] <Assid> okay .. im outta here
[01:19] <alyssa_> assid sent me to a room by myself
[01:20] <alyssa_> I see he loves me
[01:20] <Assid> yeah
[01:20] <Assid> wanted you all to myself
[01:20] <alyssa_> :P
[01:20] <Assid> and that room is full
[01:20] <Assid> 71 people there
[01:21] <alyssa_> guess it'd help if I could spell
[01:22] <Assid> hrmm
[01:22] <Assid> double click on it
[01:23] <alyssa_> nope, I typed in effeccs
[01:23] <alyssa_> der dee der
[01:23] <use-> hello im trying to make the internet work on kubuntu but cant seem to figure out how my connection req a username and a pass to connect how can make it work
[01:24] <joseph111> im using superkaramba  i clicked install but it only puts a check next to wat i install???how do i actually install it
[01:24] <MilhousePunkRock> use-: Like dial-up/PPPoE?
[01:25] <use-> yes pppoe
[01:25] <Lunis> anyone know of any problems with the kde-latest and amarok-latest repos for feisty? i'm getting a 404 with aptitude, but I can browse the repo with firefox no problem
[01:25] <use-> i tried rp-pppoe
[01:25] <use-> didnnt work
[01:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !pppoe
[01:26] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[01:26] <MilhousePunkRock> use-: That might help
[01:26] <use-> okay thanx :)
[01:31] <greenkobold> does anyone know what is this error in using bootcdmkinitrd : http://paste.milk-it.net/570
[01:32] <greenkobold> i simply dont have a clue, but i am a newbie anyway
[01:35] <slougi> greenkobold: what are you trying to do?
[01:53] <richi_> wowow,  what a split!!!!
[01:53] <vistakiller> try to remove it
[01:53] <yeniklasorr> :D
[01:53] <use-> how can i change the mac address?
[01:55] <sxr> why bother to change it..?
[01:55] <use-> cause my connection is setup on a mac address which is used by my pc
[01:56] <use-> and i wanna setup the mac address to use the con on my laptop
[01:56] <yeniklasorr> can you go this website www.yeniklasor.com
[01:57] <fandeholly> hey, any ideas why a burned kubuntu dvd would not boot? dvd image md5 is ok, k3b is saying burn is ok and ubuntu livecd is booting well
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: hey, I've got a favor to ask of you.
[02:08] <malqos> how can i instal new styles in amrok?
[02:08] <malqos> i download them
[02:08] <malqos> and have no idea what next
[02:08] <malqos> because i  dont see them
[02:08] <malqos> what can i do?
[02:09] <richi_> Hi again. No way  with the wiki method: I'm still unable of turning on the ATI. I think the problem is that I installed previously the Mesa Driver, that still stands as the OpenGL renderer. How can I make a clean config. for my window system, and turn on the right drivers?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> richi_: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:18] <aos101> @malqos: Does Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Appearance -> Install New Style do what you want?
[02:21] <richi_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:21] <richi_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> richi_: what di you select as your driver?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> fglrx?
[02:22] <richi_> In what config file?
[02:22] <richi_> Or during the wizard?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> in the wizARD
[02:24] <richi_> Yes
[02:24] <richi_> Let's restart x...
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> you know how?
[02:32] <ilia> i just installed kubuntu 7.04... all the repositories are enabled, but apt-cache search flashplugin returns no results
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[02:33] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> thats your package ^^
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ilia: you might have to do an "apt-get upgrade" first
[02:34] <malqos> i dont see new styles when i clikc on instal new style
[02:35] <ilia> nosrednaekim: did apt-get upgrade, have the multiverse repo, still no results
[02:35] <richi_> !fglx
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <ilia> have done apt-get update too
[02:35] <richi_> !glx
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <aos101> @malqos:  You mean it doesn't show up after you've pointed it at the file you downloaded?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> try this command "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> !fglrx | richi_
[02:36] <ubotu> richi_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:36] <ilia> nosrednaekim: tried that, won't install
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ilia: hmm.odd
[02:36] <ilia> nosrednaekim: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package
[02:36] <richi_> Yes, I already tried that. And a few methods more.
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> richi_: whats you video card?
[02:37] <richi_> ATI 9550
[02:37] <Opencan> Hello
[02:37] <ilia> nosrednaekim: is it because i have restricted extras installed?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ok... so did you try the resctricted-manager yet?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ilia: no.
[02:38] <richi_> That restricted manager is for gnome, ain't it?
[02:39] <Opencan> How can I disable programs that starts automaticly with Kubuntu? (My Ark does, its disturbing)
[02:39] <ubunturos> have you put it in .Autostart
[02:39] <ubunturos> ?
[02:39] <Opencan> No clue, I'll check, sec
[02:39] <malqos> aos:yes
[02:39] <malqos> i dont see it
[02:40] <malqos> maybe its because i have amrok 1.4.5?
[02:41] <ilia> what's the proposed updates repo?
[02:41] <Opencan> Where is the .Autostart folder?
[02:41] <ilia> proposed-updates ?
[02:41] <ubunturos> Opencan: under you home directory inside .kde
[02:41] <ubunturos> open a console
[02:41] <ubunturos> Opencan: and type cd .kde
[02:41] <aos101> @malqos: Hmm, I don't know then.  I'm running 1.4.5 also and I just managed to install a style from a  .tar.gz from kde-look.org and it worked fine.
[02:41] <ubunturos> Opencan: and then type cd Auostart
[02:42] <Opencan> Theres a file names .directory in it
[02:42] <ubunturos> Opencan: well, it isn't there, so it probably has something to do with Ark configs
[02:42] <ubunturos> Opencan: fire the app and find out its settings
[02:42] <Opencan> OK, I'll try, thank you :)
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> richi_: yeah restricted manager is for gnome, but it works... and its pretty eay
[02:43] <malqos> aos101 and where you find them?
[02:43] <malqos> on which location?
[02:43] <aos101> From here: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=55  I installed the top one fine.
[02:44] <Opencan> Everything in there is as defult. :S
[02:44] <ubunturos> umm ... :-?
[02:45] <greenkobold> reconstructor is not in standard apt repositories... strange
[02:45] <ilia> so no ideas why flashplugin-nonfree can't be found?
[02:46] <user19> wasabiii
[02:46] <SlimeyPete> ilia: do you have universe/multiverse enabled?
[02:46] <ilia> yes
[02:47] <malqos> aos: ok thanks
[02:47] <SlimeyPete> ilia: and you've updated your package list?
[02:47] <ilia> SlimeyPete: yes
[02:47] <malqos> and maybe you know how to load whole themes to my kubuntu?
[02:48] <SlimeyPete> ilia: hmm, not sure. I can see it just fine.
[02:49] <otalivan> hi everybody
[02:49] <otalivan> I am a first-time user on kubuntu
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> hello
[02:50] <otalivan> I would like to know how to install an application, in this case mozilla firefox
[02:50] <otalivan> is this the most appropriate channel for this discussion?
[02:50] <Bertram> Hello!
[02:50] <pag> otalivan, open konsole and type: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> otalivan: ok.. in linux you use a package manager which with one click you can install anything you want
[02:50] <Bertram> I'm actually a first timer too.
[02:50] <pag> otalivan, there's also a graphical way...
[02:50] <pag> !software | otalivan
[02:50] <ubotu> otalivan: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[02:50] <Bertram> I'd love to know wether Kubuntu uses GRUB or LILO.
[02:51] <pag> Bertram, grub
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: GRUB
[02:51] <Bertram> Thank you.
[02:51] <otalivan> thank you for all the answers!
[02:51] <otalivan> I already have downloaded the tar.gz firefox file from their website
[02:51] <Bertram> Also another question: I currently have a borken elive linux distro on hda1
[02:51] <Bertram> i'd like to replace that with kubuntu.
[02:51] <otalivan> but I guess it won't be necessary
[02:52] <Bertram> my question is, will kubuntu change grub so taht it'll work with kubuntu?
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> otalivan: that is usually the hard way of doing it in Kubuntu
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: you mean with the other install?
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: o you already have kubuntu installed?
[02:52] <Bertram> not yet installedd.
[02:53] <pag> otalivan, it isn't.. you can of course use it, but it's not really reccomended.. try to use apt/adept as much as you van...
[02:53] <otalivan> thank you!!
[02:53] <Bertram> i'm considering installation, but am a noob with GRUB.
[02:53] <otalivan> ok
[02:53] <pag> s/van/can
[02:53] <Bertram> so will kubuntu automatically set up GRUb to work?
[02:53] <otalivan> where do I get a list of software I can install from the "sudo apt-get install" command?
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: don't worry, Brub will autodetect your partitions and add them to the menu.
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> otalivan: in a package manager such as adept.
[02:53] <Bertram> Even if there used to be the other distro?
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: yeah.
[02:54] <Bertram> won't i have to do anything?
[02:54] <slougi> nosrednaekim: where can I get Brub? ;-)
[02:54] <pag> otalivan, use Adept - it's graphical, so it's easier to use.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> if everything works, no
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> slougi: what?
[02:54] <Bertram> than you for your help, i'll try installing now.
[02:54] <Opencan> How can I install a l2tp internet connection in Kubuntu?
[02:54] <slougi> nosrednaekim: was trying to be funny... you typoed Grub earlier
[02:54] <pag> otalivan, but if you *want* to do it from the command line, then " apt-cache search somethingYouWant " works for that purpose
[02:55] <mumificirani> guys, question 1 : where do I check the free space on my hda0 partition?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> oh :)
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> slougi: I do that so much.........
[02:56] <mumificirani> and 2: I installed yubuntu desktop on kubuntu, how do I remove it?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> mumificirani: "df"
[02:56] <mumificirani> xubuntu*
[02:57] <otalivan> I just tried to write "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox" in a console, but it replies that the package "mozilla-firefox" does not exist... any idea on how itshould be spelled??
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> otalivan: try just plain "firefox"
[02:57] <SlimeyPete> otalivan: do "apt-cache search firefox" and look through the list for the right package
[02:57] <anryko> just firefox
[02:57] <kondeDrakul> nosrednaekim ,hello ,i have 3 partition in linux ( swap & 2 ext3 ) 1 ext3 i called home ,do toy know what folder are there ?
[02:57] <Bertram> One more thing: What is the deafult root passwd?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> kondeDrakul: eh? what folders?
[02:58] <mumificirani> oh, and what is the package to get Java for the browsers?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: there is none... root login is disabled
[02:58] <Bertram> ouch.
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> !java | mumificirani
[02:58] <ubotu> mumificirani: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:58] <Bertram> But you do have some in the installed version, do you?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Bertram: you can enable it very easily, yes
[02:58] <mumificirani> kk thanks :)
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> but everything in kubuntu is by default done with sudo
[02:58] <Bertram> only in the installed one?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> you can do it in the liveCD too...
[02:59] <wckdkl0wn> what would i use in kubuntu to scan ports on a remote ip?
[02:59] <Bertram> yes i know, i'm just used to it.
[02:59] <mumificirani> oh, how do I enable all the repositories on kubuntu
[02:59] <mumificirani> :\
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> wckdkl0wn: nmap
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> mumificirani: use adept-> adept manager repositories
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> *manage
[03:00] <mumificirani> kk
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> bye all!
[03:01] <otalivan> hmmm
[03:02] <otalivan> I still can't find the package for mozilla firefox
[03:02] <otalivan> just typed apt-cache search mozilla, apt-cache search firefox, and it has found nothing of relevance...
[03:02] <pag> otalivan, try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:03] <wckdkl0wn> what about a gui port scanner?
[03:04] <aos101> otalivan: You could just try searching for firefox in Add/Remove Programs?
[03:04] <Bertram> okay i'm off to install now.
[03:05] <nitesh_> hello everybody
[03:05] <martijn81> otalivan: you probably need to enable the universe repositories
[03:05] <nitesh_> never tried IRC earlier
[03:05] <mumificirani> how di I enable those :\
[03:05] <mumificirani> I got the same problem
[03:05] <mumificirani> I know it has something to do with sources.list
[03:05] <pag> !universe
[03:05] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:05] <pag> !easysources
[03:05] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:06] <otalivan> asd
[03:06] <pag> but iirc firefox *should* be in main, so I can't see why Universe should be enabled
[03:07] <martijn81> otalivan: mumificirani: see those two lines pag gave you
[03:08] <martijn81> pag: apt-cache policy firefox shows so yes, main
[03:09] <wckdkl0wn> 113/tcp closed auth... thats what port scan showed on the remote system.. is that something to worry about?
[03:09] <pag> martijn81, yup. checked that from the bot afterwards :)
[03:09] <otalivan> just typed apt-cache search mozilla, apt-cache search firefox, and it has found nothing of relevance...
[03:10] <otalivan> I'm going through the comunity ubuntu documentation anyway
[03:10] <pag> otalivan, ok.. try to enable all repos, as told in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:10] <wckdkl0wn> 113/tcp closed auth... thats what port scan showed on the remote system.. is that something to worry about?
[03:11] <pag> !repeat | wckdkl0wn
[03:11] <ubotu> wckdkl0wn: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[03:14] <martijn81> anyone with a linksys wrt54g here?
[03:19] <ilia> update about the flashplugin-nonfree unavailable issue
[03:19] <Bertram> I have a little problem with the installation.
[03:19] <ilia> it looks like i have the x86_64 kernel even tho i installed kubuntu i386
[03:20] <Bertram> It's telling me that i have no root filesystem, though i surely have picked one
[03:20] <Bertram> do i have to reformat it manually?
[03:22] <Bertram> Does anybody ahve a hint for me?
[03:24] <greenkobold> have anyone succesfully used bootcdwrite with kubuntu?
[03:26] <otalivan> well I'm now running the command "sudo apt-get update"
[03:26] <otalivan> ok, it looks like "sudo apt-get update" solved the problem!!
[03:26] <otalivan> many thanks!!
[03:31] <utnubuk> Hi guys. I'm wondering what program I can use to send a desktop message to my children upstairs. I mean trough the local network, not trough the www. Is there something like this?
[03:36] <afaith> hello there you Kubuntu users ... any amaroK fans/users logged on now ?
[03:37] <pag> afaith, probably... ask the question and find out? :)
[03:37] <jimmacdonald> I have an interesting problem, when ever I leave my laptop on for a long time on battery. rather than shutting down I get errors for ACPI and USB... any ideas?
[03:37] <utnubuk> Because tunneling a txt.file trough fish is a bit over the top, don't you think? We could use Kopete, but I always feel somehow using a commericial web server to tell the children that dinner is ready
[03:38] <pag> utnubuk, Jabber is Free and Kopete supports it just fine ;)
[03:39] <pag> afaith, but in case you're just doing a survey: I use Amarok all the time, and I simply love it :)
[03:39] <utnubuk> But does Jabber work on the LAN, or does it also go trough the www?
[03:39] <afaith> pag: it's not a problem. i've discovered a bug in amaroK 1.4.6 and i want someone willing to help, to confirm it
[03:40] <afaith> pag: have you got amaroK 1.4.7 installed?
[03:40] <jimmacdonald> you could do a Shutdown -k
[03:40] <pag> utnubuk, I think it can be configured to use LAN - I'm not sure...
[03:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:40] <pag> afaith, .7 = newest? then yes
[03:40] <jimmacdonald> that will send a shutdown message of your choosing and disable future logins until you stop it.
[03:40] <utnubuk> OK pag, I'll find out, thanks.
[03:40] <afaith> pag: yes!
[03:41] <afaith> BluesKaj: hello there!
[03:41] <afaith> pag: check this out : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149004
[03:41] <BluesKaj> hi afaith
[03:41] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: do a man on Shutdown
[03:41] <afaith> anyone else interested to help amaroK, please, check this bug out : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149004
[03:42] <utnubuk> OK
[03:44] <utnubuk> jimmacdonald, I think you tripped the line:-) I'm the one who was looking for a small, LAN desktop messaging thingy. Got no problems with shutdown:-))
[03:45] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: I understand that... if you do a shutdown -k that might be the functionality your looking for to message all machines on the network... assume they are clients of the machine your on.
[03:46] <squashball> utnubuk: maybe he meant "shutdown" == "kids! diner is ready" ;-)
[03:47] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: Shutdown -k gives you the option to send a system wide message, disable logins but not actually shut the system down.
[03:47] <utnubuk> Ah I see. No they're not clients. We're just 4 desktop behind a router.
[03:47] <jimmacdonald> all Ubuntu?
[03:47] <utnubuk> yes, kubuntu
[03:47] <martijn81> afaith: always willing to help out, but that one is marked as fixed
[03:48] <jimmacdonald> interesting....... everyone familiar with a command prompt, enough to keep one open all the time?
[03:48] <utnubuk> well, yes. we're not comman line freaks, but aren't scared of it either.
[03:49] <utnubuk> hehe
[03:49] <afaith> martijn81: it's marked as fixed because a person advised me to upgrade to 1.4.7 and i can't really do that now. that is why i'm asking you kubuntu users, that i supose you use the latest version, to try to confirm or infirm the bug i've submitted.
[03:50] <jimmacdonald> I am Unix admin by trade.. I know there is a way in Unix to do a system message... just looking for the like command in Linux... gimme a minute
[03:50] <squashball> wall?
[03:50] <SlimeyPete> jimmacdonald: "wall"?
[03:50] <martijn81> afaith: myeah, but if it's fixed in 1.4.7 there is nothing to fix anymore
[03:51] <utnubuk> sure
[03:51] <pag> afaith, looked like everything works fine in .7... I didn't test much though
[03:51] <afaith> martijn81: if it's fixe in 1.4.7 i'll be more than glad to recieve that news :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> 147 amarok is working fine so far , but i don't bother with playlists, so can't comment on that aspect
[03:52] <afaith> pag: you should try to save more than 4 playlists. also, after saving a playlist, you have to completly close amarok
[03:52] <afaith> BluesKaj: even if i don't use that feature too much, it's pretty annoying to see that something is not working well
[03:52] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: if they are logged into your machine... you use wall... man that...
[03:53] <pag> afaith, iirc I saved 5-6 named like "67578--" and restarted the amarok - they were still shown
[03:54] <afaith> pag: if you want to do something for me, please, save one by this name : 19 august - chillout seara
[03:54] <afaith> and then restart amarok
[03:54] <afaith> and tell me if it's already in there
[03:54] <martijn81> afaith: fixed here
[03:54] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: I believe you can use write across multiple machines on an IP network.
[03:55] <BluesKaj> afaith, i guess it could be worse ..amarok is sooo much less annoying than wmp or even winamp
[03:55] <pag> afaith, worked fine... (it was the only saved playlist at that monent though)
[03:55] <SlimeyPete> depends what you want it to do. I still prefer winamp/beep, personally
[03:56] <afaith> BluesKaj: i know. amarok was another reason to me to switch to linux :)
[03:56] <BluesKaj> xmms SlimeyPete
[03:56] <afaith> pag: try saving a few more
[03:56] <The_Machine> amarok a reason?  wow..
[03:57] <The_Machine> that's cool for you, but i'm surprised that it would be that big of a draw.
[03:57] <The_Machine> I mean, i use it.  I think it's .. alright..
[03:57] <afaith> The_Machine: i said a reason, not *the* reason
[03:58] <jimmacdonald> utnubuk: if that doesn't work the way I think it will you can ssh over to their boxes and send a wall message.
[03:58] <pag> afaith, I saved 6 - worked fine after the restart... maybe it *really* is fixed? :)
[03:58] <BluesKaj> well music is very important to some ppl , have a pc challenged friend who also DJs ,and when WMP doesn't work he's in apanic
[03:58] <bryce_> Good morning folks!
[03:58] <afaith> among amaroK i can tell you a lot more
[03:58] <afaith> pag: then... i shall upgrade to 1.4.6 though i tried to do that a few weeks ago and failed...
[03:58] <utnubuk> jimmacdonald, hm, I don't think anyone is logged into any of the other machine, we're not a host/client setup, meaning we've not got a family server. It's just 4 machines sharing one DSL router for web access. But I'll look into both wall and write to see how I can implement it.
[03:58] <afaith> thanks anyway guys
[03:59] <utnubuk> thanks
[03:59] <pag> afaith, did you mean 1.4.7?
[03:59] <bryce_> Can anyone recommend the best blogger plugin... I use livejournal and hate visiting the website, would like to use something similar to ScribeFire but was wondering if anyone else had better experiences with other programs?
[03:59] <arun> i have a problem configuring my ipod on amarok..can someone help me out?
[04:00] <pag> !best | bryce_
[04:00] <ubotu> bryce_: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:00] <pag> !info kicker-kblogger | bryce_
[04:00] <ubotu> bryce_: kicker-kblogger: KDE applet to post weblog entries. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 310 kB, installed size 844 kB
[04:00] <bryce_> Thank you Pag, I love how you guys are so precise with that bot :D  Very helpful!
[04:01] <afaith> pag: yep! misstyped. my bad
[04:01] <arun> i have a problem configuring my ipod on amarok..can someone help me out?
[04:01] <martijn81> afaith: that bug looks fixed here in 1.4.7 (gutsy)
[04:01] <afaith> now, i've got another question.. what about (k)ubuntu 7.10 ? any news ?
[04:02] <pag> !gutsy
[04:02] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:03] <bryce_> << Wants to say thank you to the Kubuntu channel -  My second day using this O.S and I've never found more helpful ( and very friendly ) assistance anywhere else.  Thanks so much for making me feel "smart" and "welcomed" :D
[04:04] <afaith> pag: i know, i've red a few blogs. but can you tell me more ? i only know it will be released in October, it won't have so much proprietary code included and it will have a version for mobile devices such as laptops, pda & so on
[04:04] <pag> bryce_, you're very welcome :)  This community surely is one of the best :)
[04:05] <bryce_> One more question for the moment... How do I change my username from "bryce_" to just "bryce" or something?
[04:05] <pag> bryce_, just as a hint: you can achieve * $nick does something -type of line by sarting it with /me  ie. /me sleeps
[04:05] <SlimeyPete> bryce_: /nick bryce
[04:06] <pag> bryce_, /nick desirednick
[04:06] <bryce_> pag, what do you mean by the achieve * $nick comment?
[04:07] <Assid> smart ?
[04:07] <brycew> whoo hoo lol thanks :D
[04:08] <pag> Assid, the /me ? no it's not, but it's good to know the basic commands, even if their usage isn't encouraged in here
[04:09] <Assid> hehe.. i wasnt referring to that
[04:09] <brycew> It's not encouraged?  Why, if you don't mind explaining.
[04:10] <bonzai> hi
[04:10] <pag> brycew, well.. I pretty much made that up, but in fact I think it's annoying to read text, when it's mostly /me's... but afaik the official rules say pretty much nothing about that
[04:11] <brycew> K... so it's a personal thing then :P
[04:11] <pag> yup :)
[04:11] <brycew> I love this Adept Installer and Manager stuff... Makes adding things so easy lol  I don't think I'm ever going to miss windows
[04:12] <pag> brycew, though there is one thing about /me's in the rules:  /me is away, /me goes to shower  and things like that aren't aloowed... see !away for more info :)
[04:12] <The_Machine> brycew, you'll miss some stuff eventually
[04:12] <The_Machine> just wait :)
[04:13] <genefitz> Brycew, Adept if great, though I did have a problem with it, compared to using terminal. programs that have a licensing agreement, I never could select to approve in Adept.
[04:13] <genefitz> So for those programs I just do terminal style
[04:13] <brycew> lol I'm probably going to miss my old programs, I can tell you that... such as Photoshop, I was told I can't have that on here :(
[04:13] <brycew> genefitz, thanks for scaring me now :P
[04:14] <brycew> pag, thank you!
[04:14] <brycew> !away
[04:14] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[04:14] <The_Machine> the gimp is pretty good.
[04:14] <The_Machine> it isn't photoshop, but you aren't a graphic design artist
[04:14] <pag> brycew, Gimp is enough for most of the users - you just need to get used to it
[04:14] <The_Machine> besides
[04:14] <BluesKaj> scanning old photos etc does work too well in linux , hence my daul boot setup , but otherwise so far i have no urge to back to windows, altho
[04:14] <The_Machine> i just use VMWare
[04:14] <The_Machine> and run windows in linux
[04:14] <The_Machine> :P
[04:14] <genefitz> bryce, no need to be scared. Using the terminal isn't that bad. No to mention there are only a few programs I have had to do that with.
[04:14] <brycew> lol I'd better get use to using it I guess ;)
[04:15] <brycew> I had a hell of a time mounting my external hard drive last night lol
[04:15] <Assid> The_Machine: thats what most of us do :P .. actually a good graphics card can help too
[04:15] <genefitz> There are other options though for installing. I just installed the CNR plugin for my system. It makes installing a snap.
[04:15] <genefitz> BUt that is just a personal prefrence
[04:15] <BluesKaj> The_Machine, vmware isn't worth the trouble ... sooner dual boot
[04:16] <BluesKaj> IMO of course :)
[04:16] <brycew> I'm writing down more tips lol
[04:16] <genefitz> bryce, how long have you been using Kubuntu?
[04:17] <brycew> Since last night, 9pm LOL
[04:17] <pag> personally I prefer aliased apt commands... it's easy to just type "install programm" or "find thing" (those word probably shouldn't be used as aliased though)
[04:17] <Assid> damn.. i really should be working
[04:17] <pag> I make way too many grammar mistakes today :)
[04:17] <brycew> Assid, I called in sick lol
[04:18] <Assid> i cant do that
[04:18] <genefitz> Brycew, it is just the beginning, trying to figure out the ins and outs that it is the hardest. After you get everything set up how you like it, the transition is almost transparent.
[04:18] <genefitz> YOu learn quickly that most programs you had in windows have either a clone for linux, or something toat works even better.
[04:18] <brycew> Neither can I usually, but I got away with it today lol
[04:19] <genefitz> toat = that by the way..
[04:19] <genefitz> <~~ terrible for typos
[04:19] <brycew> genefitz, yes, I noticed that last night.  There's a lot of similar programs, some (with little time to play with thus far) I like better right away!
[04:19] <The_Machine> BluesKaj, it's way worth the trouble for me..  if you need Outlook all day, etc.
[04:20] <brycew> I hated outlook
[04:20] <BluesKaj> ahh, the evil outlook
[04:20] <Assid> hrmm.. anyone here managed to use the divx6.1 codec?
[04:20] <pag> which one should be used for afterline comments in .bash_aliases  " or # ?
[04:20] <Assid> outlook ?!?!?
[04:20] <Assid> whats wrong with evolution? thunderbird? .... ?
[04:21] <genefitz> Assid: the non-free codecs aren't playing your videos?
[04:21] <Assid> genefitz: err.. iw anna be able to encode with divx6.1
[04:21] <Assid> much faster.. higher compression
[04:21] <genefitz> Oh, encoding... I'm not sure about that one...
[04:22] <brycew> I love thunderbird!  Hey, good question about email... Is there a way to remove the Kontact email service from the toolbar and put up a different client?
[04:22] <genefitz> brycew, yes, right click on the icon, and you can remove it...
[04:22] <brycew> never mind... right click does wonders lol
[04:22] <brycew> genefitz, thanks, guess I should have tried it before I spoke lol
[04:23] <genefitz> Then right click, and under panel menu, "add program to panel"
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Assid, http://www.divx-digest.com/software/divxcodec_linux.html
[04:23] <brycew> genefitz, thanks
[04:23] <genefitz> bryce, no worries, friend.
[04:23] <pag> never mind... # worked great :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> higher cpmpression=less resolution, Assid
[04:24] <Assid> err.. nah.. some algorithm changed
[04:24] <rc-1> hi, how do i restart firefox without losign my tabs
[04:24] <Assid> BluesKaj: doesnt mention HOW to use the codecs
[04:24] <brycew> you can't that I know of
[04:24] <Assid> i already have them.. just dont know how to use them
[04:25] <BluesKaj> dunno why you wanna use it ...just cuz it's new
[04:25] <genefitz> rc-1, the only time I have seen firefox restore tabs on it's onw is when it is shut down in an odd say. Then it asks of you would like to re-store last session
[04:26] <genefitz> say = way
[04:26] <rc-1> yeah how do i get that normall?
[04:26] <rc-1> normally
[04:26] <squashball> rc-1: in the options: "show windows and tabs from last time"
[04:26] <BluesKaj> tovid and devede for making dvds are the way to go , unless yer feeding video to a tv or HT system
[04:26] <genefitz> rc-1, I don't know if it will
[04:27] <Assid> BluesKaj: ive used it on windows.. it IS much faster and gives better compression
[04:27] <brycew> What's a "kicker applet"?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> faster>
[04:27] <Assid> or just clearer.. either which way.. its nicer
[04:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:27] <rc-1> squashball: thanks! wheres that option?
[04:27] <rc-1> brycew: its the pannel
[04:27] <rc-1> things that you put on it like clock, desktops, launchers
[04:27] <brycew> rc-1, what panel? lol Sorry, n00b (newbie) here lol
[04:27] <brycew> lol k thanks
[04:28] <brycew> should have read before I typed :P
[04:28] <BluesKaj> Assid, perhaps there's a 'video' chat that may have some info
[04:28] <squashball> rc-1 should be the first one on the settings, right above the startpage setting
[04:28] <BluesKaj> !Divx
[04:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:29] <brycew> Any folks here use any specific weblog clients??  any recommendations (pag gave me kblogger)
[04:30] <rc-1> squashball: got it thanks
[04:32] <brycew> anyone have any imput about KMail?
[04:32] <Dou1> Hi I'm having a kde network manager problem.  It used to show me available networks, but now it doesn't it just lists "wired connections (there are none)" and manual configuration.  How do I get it to relist available wireless in my vicinity?
[04:34] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get rid of X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[04:34] <brycew> Dou1, wish I could help but I'm new, sorry.
[04:34] <pag> !baddevice
[04:34] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[04:34] <Dou1> brycew: thanks
[04:34] <pag> bot knows (almost) all :)
[04:34] <Dou1> Hi I'm having a kde network manager problem.  It used to show me available networks, but now it doesn't it just lists "wired connections (there are none)" and manual configuration.  How do I get it to relist available wireless in my vicinity?
[04:34] <chen> hey
[04:35] <pag> !wireless | Dou1
[04:35] <ubotu> Dou1: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:35] <brycew> geez pag, you and the bot have a thing going on LOL You seem to know all those commands :P
[04:35] <pag> !ubotu
[04:35] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:36] <pag> brycew, there's the page, where you can learn the command too ;)
[04:36] <brycew> pag, lol thank you!
[04:37] <pag> hmm.. that hug thing is -offtopic only.. :P  (which is actually pretty smart move)
[04:37] <Dou1> pag: is it only for edgy eft?  didn't see anything regarding feisty fawn
[04:38] <Dou1> so no one in here has any quick fix?
[04:38] <pag> Dou1, they should be version independed... but I'm not sure - I never used wireless in my life :)
[04:39] <Dou1> oih lol ok
[04:45] <brycew> Obviously there are other IRC channels... how do I find a list of them... is there a way by interests?
[04:46] <brycew> !channels
[04:46] <brycew> darg
[04:46] <brycew> lol
[04:46] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:47] <brycew> Good day everyone... I'm off to play around some more :)
[04:50] <aaron> i need help getting the kde4 beta installed.
[04:50] <aaron> i installed kde4base-dev and all of it's stuff installed, now how do i get to it?
[04:51] <Bauldrick> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[04:52] <aaron> i did the exports.
[04:53] <aaron> just run them in the console, correct?
[04:53] <Bauldrick> i did the bottom note aswell
[04:53] <aaron> which one?
[04:53] <Bauldrick>     * To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the four export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4.
[04:55] <aaron> so rename kde4.desktop to "KDE 4"
[04:55] <Bauldrick> no
[04:55] <genii> aaron: Make also a dir in ~ called .kde4    Also remember to choose from the session manager in kdm kde4 instead of kde
[04:56] <Bauldrick> pico /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop and change KDE to KDE 4
[04:56] <bryce_> Can someone help me with a weblog client real quick?
[04:57] <bryce_> Everytime I try and open BloGTK it says it's loading, but after a few seconds of it appearing in the toolbar, it then disappears... Any ideas whats going on?
[04:57] <Dou1> sometimes i wish things wouldn't just disappear in linux
[04:57] <bryce_> lol @ Dou1, having the same problem with "disappearances", just mine is minor probably lol
[04:58] <scheater5> Try running it in a terminal.
[04:59] <bryce_> talking to me scheater?
[04:59] <scheater5> bryce: yes.  That should give you more of an idea of why it is crashing
[04:59] <Dou1> bryce: yeah i uninstalled knetwork manager but can't get anything now because my wireless didn't work in the first place
[05:00] <bryce_> I just installed Kubuntu last night, so I'm SUPER new... How would I do that, scheater5?
[05:00] <scheater5> In Linux, most of them time when something "disappeares" it has crashed.  Most programs are designed to "crash gracefully," which most people think is "disappearing"
[05:00] <bryce_> Wish I could help you out Dou1... I know jmann would be of help, but he's not here now.
[05:00] <bryce_> Thanks for that useful tip ** jots some more down in his notebook **
[05:01] <scheater5> bryce: alright, click on the K-menu, highlight System and then select Konsole.
[05:01] <aaron> kde4 isn't showing up in KDM
[05:01] <bryce_> scheater5: k, there
[05:01] <scheater5> at the prompt, type in BloGTK and press enter
[05:02] <bryce_> It tells me....
[05:03] <bryce_> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/BloGTK", line 14, in ?, import gtkhtml2.  Import Error: no module named gtkhtml2.
[05:03] <aaron> bah. i'll jfgi.
[05:03] <aaron> this thing needs a rebuild anywho
[05:03] <Bauldrick> aaron did you put the export lines in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[05:03] <aaron> yes
[05:04] <aaron> and they're still there. :)
[05:04] <scheater5> bryce: hmmm...that seems to be a missing dependency.  Try installing gtkhtml2.  in Konsole, run "sudo apt-get install gtkhtml2" and put in your password when it asks for it.
[05:04] <Bauldrick> KDE 4 into /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[05:05] <bryce_> couldn't find package it says :-S
[05:05] <scheater5> bryce: are you connected to the internet?
[05:06] <bryce_> I was just on the browser :D  I at least think I am lol Don't I need the internet to be on here?
[05:06] <scheater5> bryce: yes, just checking.  You could have been on another computer.  (but mostly a "duh" moment on my part)
[05:06] <aaron> Bauldrick: i copied kde4.desktop there, and then renamed it to "KDE 4"
[05:07] <bryce_> scheater5: roflmao!!  No worries, I'm having lots of those this morning ;)
[05:08] <Bauldrick> aaron > so in /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop you have
[05:08] <scheater5> bryce: try "sudo apt-get install python-gtkhtml2"
[05:08] <Bauldrick> aaron>
[05:08] <Bauldrick> Name=KDE 4
[05:08] <aaron> please hold. i think i know what i did
[05:08] <aaron> didn't realize i needed to edit that thign
[05:09] <bryce_> scheater5: just found that too from Adept Manager search :P Trying it now
[05:09] <Bauldrick> aaron > did you rename the file?
[05:09] <BluesKaj> bryce_, the install is : sudo apt-get install python-gtkhtml2  ...try that , it should work
[05:09] <aaron> Bauldrick: yes.
[05:10] <bryce_> Thanks guys... Going to try the weblog client now :D
[05:10] <BluesKaj> oops wan't reading wahile i was typing :)
[05:10] <aaron> i changed it back. i see inside of it, what i need to change.
[05:10] <scheater5> BluesKaj: so it's correct that he is looking for the python binding for gtkhtml?
[05:10] <Bauldrick> cp /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[05:10] <BluesKaj> sure looks that way scheater5
[05:10] <bryce_> woooooooooooooo hoooooooooo you guys ROCK :D
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, for the life of me, i can't find my XP cd :\
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's got to be around somewhere.
[05:11] <yukino> ayuda en espaol
[05:11] <scheater5> Blueskaj: well then for my own knowledge, why did it kick out a message about "no module named gtkhtml2"?
[05:11] <BluesKaj> !es | yukino
[05:11] <ubotu> yukino: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:11] <bryce_> OK... stupid question here... So if I find myself having a problem with a program crashing, all I have to do is open the terminal, type the program name, and if there's a problem loading it will display it... Then search that lost package or such?
[05:12] <BluesKaj> it exists as a python lib i guess , scheater5
[05:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's not the only reason a program would have a problem with crashes, but running from a terminal is a good place to start diagnosing the problem
[05:12] <scheater5> bryce: mostly correct.  There are times when it won't simply be a missing dependency.  In fact, the beauty of APT is that rarely happens.  But that's the basic idea - running something in a terminal will give you more information about what is going on.
[05:12] <bryce_> Thank you Daisuke_Laptop.
[05:13] <scheater5> Blueskaj: thanks for the info.
[05:13] <BluesKaj> that's the error i got in the terminal scheater5" missing python-gtkhtml2
[05:13] <bryce_> Thanks scheater5!  What does APT stand for?  And by dependency, you mean a program that requires plugins or such?  Sorry, my lingo is new.
[05:14] <doug_> I'm getting some X errors, could someone look at a pastebin for me?
[05:14] <doug_> http://pastebin.com/m68b63724
[05:14] <scheater5> bryce: apt stands for advanced package took, and it's what Ubuntu (and many other distributions) use to manage "packages" - that is, program installs.
[05:15] <scheater5> *tool
[05:15] <bryce_> thanks for the explanation :)
[05:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> now i was gonna say, took?  sounds like some hobbit mom got creative in naming her child...
[05:16] <bryce_> lol
[05:16] <malqos> how to  instal new  screensaver on kubuntu7.04? i download file from kde-look kglwatersaver-0.6-ebuild.tar.gz and what should  i do next?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> bryce_, a hint ...searching on http://www.google.com/linux, can be very informative
[05:17] <leo__> ....
[05:17] <scheater5> I second BluesKaj's advice - google is your friend.
[05:17] <dhq_> how do i open .dwg file in linux
[05:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwg...
[05:17] <bryce_> Ooohh... didn't know google had linux!  Google is my whore lol  I love google!!
[05:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's some sort of graphics file
[05:17] <dhq_> yes
[05:18] <dhq_> autocad file
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> eek
[05:18] <dhq_> Daisuke_Laptop, ???
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> um...  i don't know, last i checked, there wasn't anything, but that was quite a while ago
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's bound to be something that can handle it though
[05:19] <dhq_> Daisuke_Laptop, no idea you guys make be able to help me
[05:20] <genii> dhq_: Maybe try qcad
[05:20] <genii> !qcad
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qcad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <genii> !info qcad
[05:20] <ubotu> qcad: A professional CAD System. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.5.0-1-2 (feisty), package size 2950 kB, installed size 12596 kB
[05:20] <scheater5> "Qcad reads Autocad dxf files" not dwg.
[05:21] <dhq_> genii, is it there in repos
[05:21] <bryce_> Ah crap... I don't think BloGTK works with my darn journal!  After all that work :-S
[05:21] <genii> scheater5: Damn :)
[05:22] <scheater5> dhq: a quick google search indicates you may be out of luck, but it also indicates that you may want to consider switching to dxf format anyway - but I know nothing of autocad, this is just from reading a few forum postings.
[05:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> found qcad, looks like it works with dxf only though :\
[05:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> wow am i late
[05:23] <dhq_> Daisuke_Laptop, :(
[05:23] <dhq_> thanks guys anyways will search more
[05:23] <malqos> how to  instal new  screensaver on kubuntu7.04? i download file from kde-look kglwatersaver-0.6-ebuild.tar.gz and what should  i do next?
[05:24] <scheater5> Malqos: I do believe Kcontrol, or System Settings is what you're after.
[05:24] <genii> Hmm apt-cache search dwg produces:  pythoncad - Computer Aided Drafting (CAD) program
[05:26] <dobo> my wineserver isn't letting me swap CDs during an installation! how do i make it let go?? :(
[05:26] <bryce_> so to remove a package / install I just remove the X in the adept installer / remover?
[05:26] <d00dle> hello
[05:27] <leo__> .......
[05:28] <scheater5> bryce: if I remember correctly (since I use the command line to manage packages, not adept) you highlight a package, right click and "request removal" and then "Apply changes"
[05:29] <malqos> scheater5: sorry but everything is new for me and i ask about everything
[05:29] <malqos> :)
[05:29] <genii> bryce_: Yes
[05:30] <jlinares> ubuntu.es
[05:30] <jlinares> prrofavor el enlace
[05:30] <_Shade_> hi
[05:30] <_Shade_> what can i do to make kaffeine show subtitles?
[05:31] <bryce_> genii thanks
[05:31] <_Shade_> i mean where can i set a path to the subtitles file?
[05:31] <bryce_> sorry, was getting frustrated with amarok lol
[05:31] <RurouniJones> Is it just me or does Amarok have a tendency to crash like a meteorite a lot?
[05:31] <scheater5> malqos: no worries.  Everyone was once a newbie.  You'll get no grief for asking questions here.  Occasionally you won't get an answer, but such is the beast of community help.
[05:32] <bryce_> LOL @ ruro... just had the same frustration
[05:32] <Ace2016> amarok feels slow, i like juk
[05:32] <malqos> exacly
[05:32] <malqos> so
[05:32] <malqos> :)
[05:32] <dobo> how do i unmount a busy drive (when it isn't actually busy!)
[05:32] <bryce_> I don't like Juk
[05:32] <scheater5> malqos: so did you get that screensaver installed, or where are you in the process?
[05:33] <bryce_> Why do I always have to mount my external hard drive... (that almost sounds dirty lol)
[05:33] <_Shade_> what about playing a movie without subtitles in kaffeine? How can i enable these?
[05:33] <RurouniJones> It just crashes a lot for no apparent reason, mid-song with nothing happening
[05:34] <RurouniJones> I stopped sendin crash logs because they probably thought I was spamming them
[05:34] <scheater5> rurounijones: try running it in a terminal.  When it crashes you'll see the error message
[05:34] <bryce_> lol
[05:35] <malqos> scheater: i just download it from kde-look and saved on desktop
[05:35] <scheater5> So, yea, apparently the tip of the day is that running  something in a terminal give you error messages.
[05:35] <bryce_> Hey scheater5... had to uninstall BloGTK... installed Drivel, had the same problem but resolved it myself from what you helped me with before :)  Thanks a lot!
[05:35] <bryce_> lol and it's a good tip!
[05:35] <Timsen> dobo: you should check which process makes the drive busy by lsof /media/drivename
[05:35] <scheater5> bryce: yay for lateral thinking.  You'll go far with Linux and that attitude.
[05:35] <RurouniJones> scheater5: Heheheh, ok, I suppose that means I can then bitch with a bit more technical authority and quoting some memory addresses ;)
[05:36] <bryce_> lol
[05:36] <dobo> in case anyone was wondering, wine eject in the console ejects a CD for swaps >_>
[05:37] <bryce_> Ahhh... finally got Amarok working... now for some calm music... Was in the mood for rock, but now I need something like Enya LOL
[05:37] <scheater5> malqos: alright, I...apparently don't know how to do that.  I thought it was under system settings, but apparently not.
[05:37] <leo__> ...
[05:38] <malqos> ok thanks
[05:39] <scheater5> I'm guessing you have to extract it to the folder where your screensavers are stored.  If you downloaded it of kde-look, try finding the page you downloaded it from and see if the person who posted it left instructions.  Or perhaps there is a readme file in the archive.
[05:39] <RurouniJones> For some reason when I think of Linux I sometimes have "Fox on the Run" by Mannfred Mann goign through my head
[05:39] <RurouniJones> (Google the lyrics, you will understand)
[05:41] <AhDiCt3D> Can someone walk me through installing the Nvidia drivers for my GeForce 8600MGT, Every time i install them it seems to crash and "cant open display" etc it worked on Feisty but not on Gutsy can someone help me?
[05:41] <vsudilov> anyone know what the program that shows the desktop is called in KDE?
[05:41] <stamen> hi
[05:41] <vsudilov> ...so that I can run it from the command line
[05:42] <stamen> does anybody know how to burn a data dvd in k3b over 4.0g
[05:42] <scheater5> stamen: if it's over 4Gb you have to have dual-layer, right?  Doesn't k3b do that automatically?
[05:42] <scheater5> (detech and burn to dual-layer, that is)
[05:42] <scheater5> *detect
[05:43] <scheater5> (can't type today)
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> AhDiCt3D: if you are on gutsy, go to #ubuntu+1
[05:43] <stamen> I have a file which is 4.3g
[05:43] <stamen> and I want to burn it, it is HDTV movie
[05:44] <stamen> scheater5: so what to do
[05:45] <malqos> ok scheater5 so i will try this
[05:45] <malqos> thanks
[05:45] <scheater5> stamen: I'm pretty sure that if you pop a dual-layer dvd into your dvd burner that k3b will do all the work for you, but I've never done it myself.
[05:45] <ChanShe> kubuntu.de
[05:46] <stamen> scheater5: maybe, but tghe dvd disk is 4.7g
[05:46] <stamen> why it can't write disk which is 4.3?
[05:46] <ChanShe> kann one give me the name for the german channel?
[05:46] <llutz> !de
[05:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:47] <leoX> 
[05:49] <scheater5> stamen: then I don't know, and that's disappointing  because I was going to  do something similar myself in the near future.  I'm afraid I don't know.
[05:50] <stamen> scheater5: ok
[05:51] <genii> stamen: I dunno but I'm having similar issue with my Pioneer dual layer DVD burner and k3b also
[05:52] <stamen> but my dvd recorder is not dual layer
[05:55] <genii> stamen: You say 4 Gb seems to be the limit? Are you making this iso or so on a fat32 formatted fs? If so that might explain it
[05:56] <genii> fat32 filesize limit =4Gb exactly
[06:04] <stamen> genii: but in the new session list in the k3b the limit there is 4.4g
[06:04] <stamen> genii: on the disk is written 4.7g
[06:04] <stamen> why k3b limits the disk
[06:04] <llutz> stamen: 4.4GB is maximum usable space on dvd
[06:04] <stamen> ok
[06:04] <llutz> raw 4.7GB
[06:05] <llutz> (video with bigger sector-size)
[06:05] <stamen> ok, lets say the 4.4 is the maximum, so why I can;t write a file which is exactly 4.3g
[06:05] <llutz> stamen: dunno
[06:05] <stamen> :)
[06:05] <stamen> thats the question :)
[06:06] <scheater5> Could it be a problem of the definition of a gigabyte?  Maybe your dvd burner uses the old school, power of 2, definition, and the dvd-r company uses the newer, multiple of 10, definition.
[06:07] <ubuntu__> I am in a huge deal of trouble, anyone help me?
[06:07] <genii> stamen: You still didn't answer the question of whether this data is on a fat32 drive, if it wants to make an image on there to create the disk from it explains nicely the exact 4Gb limit you are having
[06:07] <stamen> genii: its on ext3 partition
[06:07] <slougi> ubuntu__: just ask and see if you get answers
[06:08] <stamen> the file is hdtv movi and the extension is .mkv
[06:08] <stamen> *movie
[06:11] <ubuntu__> I have been running a dual boot between Vista and Ubuntu, now I have deleted the Ubuntu partition on my second hdd <in vista>.. and now i can\t get past the boot thingy.
[06:11] <ubuntu__> i\m currenty booting ubuntu from disc
[06:12] <ubuntu__> anyone able to help me?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> well under XP ya would boot the XP cd and use the 'fixmbr' and 'fixboot' commands from the rescue shell
[06:12] <Dr_willis> NO idea how to do it under vista
[06:12] <slougi> Dr_willis: you need to reinstall the vista bootloader
[06:12] <slougi> whoops
[06:13] <slougi> meant to say that to ubuntu__
[06:13] <stamen> genii: with nero for linux, all is ok
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu__: #windows
[06:13] <stamen> genii: now I am writing it, and no problems
[06:13] <stamen> genii: but why k3b can'r I still don't know?:(
[06:13] <ubuntu__> how do i reinstall the vista bootloader?
[06:14] <llutz> ubuntu__: ask in a win-channel or M$
[06:14] <genii> stamen: Beats me
[06:15] <stamen> genii: :)
[06:15] <stamen> genii: maybe this is a bug
[06:16] <ubuntu__> i don\t have an installation disc, as my laptop was delivered with it in an own installation part on one of the hdd
[06:17] <Dr_willis> so the company saved $5 and  made your life harder.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> what company was this? i want to avoide them.
[06:17] <ubuntu__> hp
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu__: wel now... go give an angry call to your manufacturer or M$
[06:18] <Dr_willis> or ask in #windows they may have a better idea
[06:18] <squashball> ubuntu__ or install linux again and be happy :)
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah angry calls don't do much good
[06:18] <ubuntu__> thanks, i\ll try that
[06:18] <Dr_willis> odd. My compaq laptop came with  a xp cd (full) and a driver cd.
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> HP now makes CDs optional
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> like $20 extra
[06:18] <nn_> when i press alt-F2 , what do i type in to open a file and edit it as root user?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  well.. looks like i avoide them in the future. :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> sudo editoryoulike /path/to/file
[06:19] <nosrednaekim> "kdesu kate <your file>
[06:19] <runlevelten> kdesu kate <filename>
[06:19] <ManiDhillon> Hello Everyone
[06:19] <nosrednaekim> as long as its plain text.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> kdesu/kate for a gui editor. :) sudo nano for a console editor.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> but i always got a terminal or 2 open. so i rarely use alt-f2
[06:20] <ManiDhillon> ! Firefox
[06:20] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:20] <frax> I timed starting vista the first time.. I took longer than to burn the Kubuntu cd partition the hdd install and start it >.<
[06:21] <ManiDhillon> !Firefox
[06:24] <bryce_> omg... is there any peace??  Since installing this OS, I've done nothing but explore like a kid in a candy shop... I cannot stop downloading and installing all these neat little nifty features LOL
[06:25] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, i feel the same i love linux so much
[06:26] <bryce_> ahDiCt3D... you need an easier name lol  I just installed linux last night, been a windows user all my life... I thought this would be HARD... it's hard, just not overly hard lol... but I'm loving it!!  I cannot stop!  I've turned into a machine! lol
[06:26] <RurouniJones> Right, one game of Defcon then sleep
[06:27] <RurouniJones> Nothing like mass destruction to lull you off
[06:27] <bryce_> lol
[06:29] <spiroo> hello I need help with mounting. How do I create a mounting point with UID?
[06:29] <spiroo> not manually
[06:29] <spiroo> I know hot to mount, but without UID
[06:31] <genii> spiroo: Find the UUID by: blkid    command, then use that in fstab where before was /dev/something  use UUID=<here goes UUID from blkid>
[06:31] <spiroo> could you explai more detailed. Did not exactly understand
[06:36] <spiroo> blkid did not view my unoumted drive
[06:36] <brokenthorn> Does anyone know what is the name of the Qt3 theme used on the kdenlive screenshots?
[06:37] <spiroo> How do I figure out the UID of my unmounted partition?
[06:38] <brokenthorn> spiroo: uuidgen might be what you are looking for...
[06:38] <nn_> does anyone know of a cdrom emulator like daemon tools? i can download directly from the adept manager?
[06:38] <bendice> @spiroo de_info device
[06:38] <bendice> sorry, ide_info <device>
[06:39] <spiroo> nn_: That is what I wanna know too :)
[06:39] <brokenthorn> nn_: you need more than mounting iso images?
[06:39] <genii> Doesn't anyone just loopmount iso files anymore?
[06:39] <Lynoure>   yes...
[06:39] <brokenthorn> yes
[06:40] <Lynoure> some people do.
[06:40] <kalorin`> has anyone noticed a deal where if you enable the AMD cool and quiet stuff in the bios, then the system seems to run at a pretty constant 0.20 load and get sluggish when you flip from one app to another or open a new app?
[06:40] <llutz> spiroo: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:40] <nn_> well, i am new to linux , but if there is an alternative, please let me know
[06:40] <kalorin`> almost like it can't ramp up the chip speed fast enough so it just seems laggy
[06:40] <spiroo> llutz? w00t?
[06:41] <brokenthorn> nn_: sudo modprobe loop; sudo mount -o loop,ro -t auto /path/to/iso/file /path/to/mount/point
[06:41] <spiroo> you mean ls -l /dev/sda10/by-uuid/ ?
[06:41] <llutz> spiroo: no, i wrote what i meant
[06:41] <spiroo> do I get UUI then from that?
[06:42] <brokenthorn> nn_: there was somthing similar to daemon tools for linux but I didn't use it and I looked it up a long time ago
[06:42] <llutz> spiroo: try and see
[06:42] <nn_> thank you!
[06:43] <edulix> hi!
[06:43] <savetheWorld> Hi all - does anyone know how to get an lm_sensors cpu temperature readout on Kubuntu?
[06:43] <brokenthorn> nn_: It was something to do with mouting cue/bin files under linux and converting bin files to iso files and then loop mounting them like I wrote before
[06:43] <spiroo> llutz, thank you. Do I then just use that to type in fstab? Or is it not any config GUI?
[06:43] <edulix> how can I make the power manager to use s2ram to suspend to ram instead of using what it uses by default?
[06:43] <brokenthorn> nn_: perhaps do a google search on "linux, cue, bin, iso, convert, mount" :P
[06:43] <llutz> spiroo: just use an editor of your choice (in root-mode)
[06:43] <edulix> (default = acpi-support package)
[06:43] <spiroo> llutz, nano is my favorutie :P
[06:43] <spiroo> *favourite
[06:44] <kalorin`> vim >>
[06:44] <kalorin`> (gotta have an editor war)
[06:44] <kalorin`> :)
[06:44] <brokenthorn> edulix: just a note: first enable S2RAM (S2) in the BIOS as the default standby mode
[06:44] <spiroo> llutz: BTW do I need to edit /etc/mtab also
[06:44] <llutz> spiroo: never
[06:44] <savetheWorld> spiroo I'm curious about nano - is there nay good summarry of its feature set any where? or a good cheatsheet?
[06:44] <savetheWorld> s/nay/any/ :-)
[06:45] <edulix> brokenthorn: well, is that needed? the s2ram command works already
[06:45] <brokenthorn> nano needs no cheatsheet :D
[06:45] <edulix> brokenthorn: so I can suspend via command line, but not via power manager (because it uses other way to suspend)
[06:45] <brokenthorn> edulix: I believe it is. you can't fool with the BIOS can you? :P
[06:46] <savetheWorld> brokenthorn: you miss the point I dont want to use nano, I jus twant to read about what it can do
[06:46] <edulix> brokenthorn: I can touch the bios, but I don't really understand what efect it will have
[06:46] <brokenthorn> nn_: Try installing cuetool ;)
[06:46] <brokenthorn> nn_: *cuetools
[06:46] <micha_> hiho
[06:46] <spiroo> nano is just nano ;P
[06:47] <martijn81> where should i put the option for ram for my video card in xorg.conf?
[06:47] <edulix> brokenthorn: by the way, suspending from within the powermanager worked some weeks ago, but somehow it stopped working. now I've installed uswsusp package and run s2ram...and it worked!
[06:47] <brokenthorn> savetheWorld: just laughed for myself, nothing else :)
[06:47] <martijn81> and how do i know how much ram it has?
[06:47] <savetheWorld> %ed For people who want to become advanced users, using traditional editors, vi or emacs, will teach you things useful in the shell, awk, sed, perl, and other shell tools that speed your way up the learning curve. You may want to avoid other editors.
[06:47] <edulix> brokenthorn: so what do you recommend me to do? in the workst case scenario, I can just suspend from within the cmd, but it's not that cool :P
[06:48] <brokenthorn> edulix: either way it's a matter of powernowd's or what your're using configuration file
[06:48] <brokenthorn> edulix: I just pointed out you might need to enable S2 in the BIOS, I haven't actually done any suspend modes :D
[06:49] <edulix> brokenthorn: ok I'll try that
[06:50] <fkm> Hmmm..., Is there a problem with the ubuntu.beryl-project.org server? Or is the problem (I can't connect anymore) on my end?
[06:50] <fkm> oops
[06:50] <fkm> sorry, wrong channel
[06:52] <martijn81> howto get xorg.conf aware of all my ram in my videocard?
[06:53] <spiroo> Do I have to change anything else in fstab or is it just reboot?
[06:56] <spiroo> ?
[06:57] <llutz> spiroo: reboot why?
[06:58] <spiroo> to get it mounted and added everywhere
[06:58] <spiroo> I cuold mount myself but path does not exist
[06:58] <spiroo> I need to reboot anyway, cya
[07:00] <drewcipher_> spiroo:   sudo mount -a
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> hey guys...
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> how do i get the task manager up in kubuntu??
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> (i need to kill an app)
[07:02] <llutz> ctrl-esc
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> thx llutz =)
[07:07] <spiroo> Hello again. I mounted but the disk does not appear in storage media
[07:08] <nn_> why cant i change my display to a higher resolution?
[07:12] <bryce_> Hiya folks... quick question... Just noticed an icon pop up on my toolbar... what is KDE Wallet and why is it Open?
[07:12] <AhDiCt3D> oh
[07:13] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, thats your password manager for kde
[07:13] <bryce_> Ok... thanks a lot ahdict3d!
[07:13] <drewcipher_> spiroo:  did you see my message regarding:  sudo mount -a    (to load fstab changes vs. rebooting?)
[07:14] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, No problem ill help u as much as i can and if you wanna listen to a helpful podcast try linuxreality.com they might be able to give u a few hints tips and if u need anything lemme know :)
[07:15] <bryce_> Awesome, checking out that right now :D  I'll be back :)
[07:16] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, ok ill be here prolly all day :P
[07:16] <_claire> I've just got a Radeon 9800. Which is the best driver to use? The official one from ati.com, the "FGLRX" driver, or another?
[07:16] <bryce_> lol Yeh, me too!  Called in sick this morning ;) Was up late playing with my new OS :D  Luckily enough, my brother owns the business LOL
[07:18] <bryce_> Can I get a response from a few:  What is your prefered choice for email POP3... example: Thundarbird, Kmail, etc....
[07:19] <trekdanne> bryce_: gmail :P
[07:19] <bryce_> I use gmail as well... but I want to use a desktop client for my email services... just not sure which one to use lol
[07:19] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, Well i like Kmail because it looks better in KDE but thunderbird 2 i like so much more in windows although if they can port the gui over to linux so it doesnt look horrible i prefer it over kmail but ihavent tested enigmail in linux.
[07:19] <bryce_> linux has so many of them lol
[07:20] <trekdanne> bryce_: seriosuly tho i used mutt before gmail come into existance
[07:20] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, but i havent tried thunderbird 2 in linux.
[07:20] <trekdanne> never used kmail but people say it's good
[07:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> thunderbird looks a bit better in gnome, but you'll never see a QT version of thunderbird, sorry.
[07:21] <bryce_> Hmmm... maybe I'll try them all LOL I've got my own website, so I'll create a couple email addresses and use them and see which I like best ;)
[07:21] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, what website? what do you do?
[07:21] <bryce_> trekdanne, never heard of mutt, what's that?
[07:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> for kde integration, you can't really beat kmail.  and then there's pine
[07:22] <genii> hah, pine
[07:22] <bryce_> It's down at the moment, but I do web design for a sideline money maker :)  wisebryce.com but now that I'm on linux, things are going to slow down until I can learn what programs I can use on here and now I have to learn a whole new image program lol
[07:22] <llutz> pine still exists? odd
[07:22] <bryce_> Well maybe I'll try Kmail first then :D
[07:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> bryce_: there's always photoshop under wine, and the gimp, and krita's making strides now
[07:22] <bryce_> wisebryce.com is down at the moment, I was doing updates until I crashed my windows OS yesterday and then installed this lol
[07:23] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, PS under wine is horrible to get setup CS2&3 Dont work under wine ive tried it.
[07:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> ouch, i wasn't aware cs 2 and 3 didn't work at all
[07:23] <bryce_> awwww!!  I've got ps c3 too :(
[07:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> looks like the gimp or krita
[07:23] <bryce_> shitty thing is, I JUST bought it... no, I didn't rip it, I actually bought it LOL
[07:23] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Laptop, Ive tried them all i cant get them to run under wine they run under VirtualBox tho!
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> not bad
[07:24] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, it may work if you install via windows and port it over to linux and run via wine
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i need desperately to find my XP cd...
[07:24] <bryce_> what the heck is wine and virtualbox?
[07:24] <jhutchins> bryce_: ImageMagick
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> !wine
[07:24] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> !virtualbox
[07:24] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[07:24] <bryce_> Cool, thanks Daisuke!
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> np
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> wine is getting better all the time
[07:24] <bryce_> what about ImageMagick, you saying try that one?
[07:24] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, yeah it runs WoW :)
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it still has a way to go
[07:25] <bryce_> lol I hate that game :P My brother plays that day in and day out.
[07:25] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, What dev enviroment do you use in windows?
[07:25] <jhutchins> bryce_: You'll be amazed by it.  It's a suite of command-line image manipulation/creation tools.
[07:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're a masochist, there's always vi
[07:25] <bryce_> cool, thanks jhut, will look into it!
[07:25] <bryce_> what do you mean ahdict3d?
[07:26] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Laptop: I end up using ImageMagick just about every time I do graphics for a web page.
[07:26] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, You do web design right? btw you do know about tab auto completion in konsole/konversation right?
[07:26] <jhutchins> vi is not that hard once you get the hang of it.
[07:27] <bryce_> Yes, amateur tho... I've been doing it since I was younger, as a hobby, until last year the radio station wanted me to build them a site, I did, and then business started flowing my way :)
[07:27] <bryce_> No I don't ahdict3d.... do tell
[07:28] <genii> jhutchins: Yes, ImageMagick rocks
[07:28] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, well type ah or Ah then hit tab in konversation im not sure if names are case sensitive for auto complete.
[07:28] <seanpcrowe> hey all... how do i set VLC to be the default player for media files??
[07:28] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: that's cool, thanks :D
[07:29] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, i have your name on paste hehe
[07:29] <bryce_> lol I'm copying and pasting too much from the conversations to be able to keep your name handy LOL
[07:29] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: Although I do love the Ah tab deal... thanks for telling me!
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, hehe thats what auto-complete is for if i was on linux i wouldnt have to copy paste you name :P, What IDE/Development enviorment do you use in windows for your dev?
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, psh no prob took me about a month or two to figure that out :
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, maybe closer to a year haha
[07:31] <blackflag> HEllo all :)
[07:31] <bryce_> I opened "Adept Manager" and searched "ImageMagick", which one am I suppose to download?  There's tons of them there, should I grab the one that says just "imagemagick"... are the others plugins or something?
[07:32] <blackflag> How can I find out which programs are "eating" my RAM ?
[07:32] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: one sec, trying to figure something out lol
[07:32] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, I personally prefer Synaptic package manager btw.imagemagick the name of it is the tool all the rest should be plugins or things that use it
[07:33] <AhDiCt3D> look for the package name "imagemagick"
[07:34] <blackflag> I have a server with 4GB Ram in it. When I use free then I see that 3,5 GB are used but now at tis time no one is working on that machine
[07:35] <blackflag> So how can I the programms that are using the RAM?
[07:35] <AhDiCt3D> Blackflag, usually linux uses all ram all the time until a prog needs it then it leases it to that program
[07:35] <blackflag> okay
[07:36] <blackflag> how can I see which programms are filling the RAM
[07:36] <AhDiCt3D> Blackflag i speak from personal exp. i learned that recently.
[07:36] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag ctrl+alt escape but lemme check dont use till i check
[07:36] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: sorry about that... was on the phone and trying to download ImageMagick and started playing with it right away lol  I use two... mainly MSV and NetBeans.
[07:37] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: ah brb, doorbell
[07:37] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag its either ctrl+escape or ctrl+alt+escape i think its ctrl escape but if u see a skull hit it again and use other combo
[07:37] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag, i forget the konsole app but u should be able to see from that
[07:38] <blackflag> hmm, I have only ssh connection to that machine locallly is ctrl + alt+esc
[07:39] <blackflag> cool! :)
[07:39] <blackflag> but how can I do that remote with console?
[07:39] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag you can login its in file or sumtin to your server with that app
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: ps ax
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: top
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: free
[07:47] <bryce_> Ok... I installed ImageMagick and all it's components, ALL lol... But now ImageMagick has disappeared... Where the heck can I find it?
[07:48] (root/#kubuntu) [alt] -wick-1577
[07:48] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_,  isnt it a konsole app? lolz
[07:49] <bryce_> That's weird... it was uninstalled but I didn't do it... had to reinstall it again... let's see what happens :-S
[07:50] <bryce_> OK... how the heck do I open ImageMagick?
[07:51] <bryce_> and all this <root> scrolling is irritating me!
[07:51] <llutz> bryce_: imagemagick is a collection of tools, not "one app"
[07:51] <bryce_> Oh!  Well then what the hell did I download a second ago LOL
[07:52] <bryce_> it was a app... and then it disappeared... maybe wrong thing :-S
[07:52] <llutz> bryce_: convert, montage, display ...
[07:52] <bryce_> So how do I use imagemagick?
[07:52] <llutz> bryce_: http://imagemagick.org/script/index.php
[07:53] <bryce_> Ahh, thank you kind person :D
[07:53] <BluesKaj> imagemagick is used in conjunction with video transcoding and editing/burning apps like devede and tovid
[07:54] <bryce_> Cool... thanks!
[07:54] <bryce_> BRB... I've gotta test this out now ;)  and of course read that useful link, thanks llutz!
[07:54] <genii> I like that imagemagick can convert raw g3 fax files into pdf :) I use that to convert em before they get emailed out from our fax server at the office
[07:55] <llutz> bryce_: it will take some time to get used to it. but it is awsome once you learned to use
[07:56] <bryce_> I hope so, because I just blew off being able to use my beloved Photoshop CS3 for Linux lol
[07:56] <BluesKaj> cool, genii ..see , with linux, you learn something new everyday :)
[07:56] <llutz> bryce_: cs is something completely different i guess
[07:56] <genii> gimp might be something you could try
[07:57] <Karti> Hi all, really quick one does anyone think that I could put the 32bit edition on a 64bit AMD PC? I previously tried and failed with the 32bit disk, but didn't know if there was a setting that I could select on boot? All ideas are welcome
[07:57] <bryce_> Going to try them all ;) Have to find something that will make up for the loss lol
[07:57] <bryce_> llutz, you never used Photoshop or you mean the CS3 version?
[07:57] <llutz> bryce_: i never used photoshop/cs
[07:57] <rc-1> oh no i lost my lower pannel how do i get it back
[07:58] <Assid> hrmm photoshop cs working through wine now ?
[07:58] <BluesKaj> Karti, I'm running x86 32bit kubuntu on an AMD 64 Athlon Venice 3200+ CPU ...works great
[07:58] <bryce_> It's awesome!  A windows program tho :(  I wish I could use it here because I purchased the full program CS3 and it rocks!  Never been easier to deal with graphics than when CS3!
[07:59] <llutz> use win then :)
[07:59] <bryce_> CS3 is simply the new name for Photoshop, rather than being Photoshop 11..12...13...etc, they converged it all together.
[07:59] <wilman> when i play music via firefox, like youtube. i can't play music with amarok. what to do?
[07:59] <Karti> BluesKaj: when you installed did you select any special settings? MY disk alsways kept frezzing
[07:59] <bryce_> I hate windows lol
[07:59] <BluesKaj> Karti, which disc are you trying ?
[07:59] <llutz> bryce_: i hate working, but i have to :)
[07:59] <bryce_> Assid: there was a conversation about wine earlier, someone was saying virtualbox is the way to go lol
[08:00] <Karti> its the normal 32bit one x86 I believe
[08:00] <bryce_> llutz: don't we all
[08:00] <BluesKaj> no special settings at all Karti
[08:00] <bryce_> llutz: I called in sick so I could play with my new OS today LOL
[08:00] <Karti> would have to look at my wifes downstairs as that is where the details are
[08:00] <llutz> bryce_: an OS/app is not a question of love or hate
[08:00] <Karti> WOuld you recommend the alternative install disk?
[08:01] <Assid> bryce_: virtualbox would be something like vmware.. NOT  running the app on linux
[08:01] <BluesKaj> dunno Karti , have no experience with it so I can't say :(
[08:01] <bryce_> No clue Assid, I just know that was part of the conversation earlier lol
[08:01] <bryce_> I just installed Kmail but it's not showing up in Kmenu, any ideas?
[08:01] <Karti> Its a pity as the 32 bit is ace, I have just had issues with Konqueror and stuff........I may try it again
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, that happens to me go run kmail
[08:02] <llutz> bryce_: use kontact
[08:02] <llutz> or use alt-f2: kmail
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> bryce_: kontact includes kmail, plus calendars etc
[08:02] <Karti> just my motherboard died and the only other one I had was 64bit
[08:02] <BluesKaj> type kmail in the terminal , see if it shows up
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, you can edit your menu to include it but i have it run in taskbar
[08:02] <bryce_> arg... so I should install kontact instead of kmail? LOL
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, no. lolz
[08:02] <llutz> nobody knows why they hide kmail behind kontact in kubuntu :(
[08:03] <bryce_> so should I install kontact too or no, cos I deleted it earlier lol
[08:03] <BluesKaj> Karti, shouldn't matter ...but you may have issues with graphics and Xorg
[08:03] <Assid> bryce_: if you intend to use kmail.. you may wanna retain kontact
[08:03] <KondeDrakul> where i get fluxbox?
[08:03] <Dou1> how do i check to see which event my mouse is connected to?
[08:03] <bryce_> K, installing again :)
[08:04] <rc-1> oh no i lost my lower pannel how do i get it back
[08:04] <rc-1> i ran kicker from f2
[08:04] <rc-1> but still nothing
[08:04] <llutz> bryce_:  alt-f2: kmail
[08:05] <Karti> BluesKaj: MAny thanks, I'll give it another go
[08:05] <bryce_> llutz: oooooooooohhhhhhhhh thank you thank you thank you lol
[08:06] <llutz> bryce_: you can add it to the k-menue using kmenuedit
[08:06] <bryce_> how do I find kmenuedit?
[08:06] <llutz> bryce_:  alt-f2: kmenuedit :)
[08:07] <bryce_> lol thanks
[08:07] <BluesKaj> rightclick on the k-menu icon
[08:07] <Dou1> how do i apply the ALPS kernel patch?
[08:08] <Bauldrick> why does my cursor disappear when I switch user?
[08:08] <bryce_> llutz: awesome, thanks, that did it :)
[08:08] <bryce_> OK... I need to give my small brain a break guys... I'll be back in like 30 seconds LOl
[08:08] <bryce_> more like 30 mins in reality :P
[08:09] <AhDiCt3D> lolz kk
[08:09] <BluesKaj> lotta lols there ...must be a happy guy :)
[08:09] <bryce_> Totally a HAPPY go-getter ;)
[08:09] <AhDiCt3D> :|
[08:09] <bryce_> shhh... I'm on my break lol
[08:10] <AhDiCt3D> iz not "lawling"
[08:10] <bryce_> ;) BRB
[08:10] <rc-1> guys how do i get kicker back :(
[08:11] <rc-1> alt f2 kicker does nothing
[08:14] <Schuenemann> I can't start X
[08:14] <Schuenemann> I have changed my videocard
[08:15] <Schuenemann> hmm is someone actually reading this? :p never used bitchx before
[08:16] <BluesKaj> yeah , we see your text Schuenemann
[08:16] <Schuenemann> good... I think
[08:16] <BluesKaj> irssi works well too
[08:16] <zecke1989> wie heist den der deutsche kanal
[08:16] <Schuenemann> I can only start it with 8-bit depth color
[08:16] <BluesKaj> !de | zecke1989
[08:16] <ubotu> zecke1989: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:16] <zecke1989> danke
[08:20] <rc-1> guys i rebooted and kicker is still gone :(
[08:20] <rc-1> i have no pannels (the one with clock and apps
[08:21] <rc-1> please help
[08:22] <AhDiCt3D> rc-1 qunu.com try that lol
[08:22] <BluesKaj> rc-1, hold the mousekey down and drg the page to see if the panel is hidden
[08:23] <rc-1> nope
[08:23] <rc-1> (i have a unhide pannel button too, which isnt there)
[08:24] <rc-1> ktorrent crashed right before it disappeared too btw if thats any help
[08:24] <pag> rc-1, tried " dcop kicker default restart " already?
[08:24] <intelikey> !sound
[08:24] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:25] <rc-1> pag ah thanks! in the past just kicker worked
[08:26] <pag> rc-1, usually just "kicker" doesn't work, since process is still somewhere in the background and system thinks that it's already running
[08:28] <rc-1> i see
[08:38] <venik> I lost the icon for my USB hard drive!
[08:39] <intelikey> unplug / replug it ?
[08:39] <venik> I tried that-- no good
[08:39] <intelikey> or do you mena you configured the desktop to not display it ?
[08:40] <intelikey> or did you install beryl or something   and not using kde anymore ?
[08:40] <venik> None of the above
[08:41] <venik> every time I plugged in my usb flash drive, the USB hard drive menu showed up,
[08:41] <venik> but now it is gone
[08:42] <venik> in fact, now my flash drive does not show up either
[08:42] <venik> I have none of these issues with XP on the same machine
[08:43] <venik> so I know the hardware is OK
[08:44] <intelikey> seeing that i don't know any way to hot swap a ps2 mouse the was a reboot
[08:44] <intelikey> the that
[08:45] <venik> I tried rebooting-- no good
[08:45] <Berzerker> anyone here?
[08:45] <intelikey> no that shouldn't help your situation.    was there an update just prior to the condition ?
[08:46] <Berzerker> I'm having trouble with my wireless
[08:46] <Berzerker> I got it to work, but after I reboot, it doesn't work
[08:46] <intelikey> !wifi | Berzerker been here ?
[08:46] <ubotu> Berzerker been here ?: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:48] <venik> rebooting revived the flash USB drive, but not the usb hard drive
[08:51] <intelikey> venik    sudo fdisk -l
[08:51] <intelikey> is the usb drive listed ?
[08:52] <venik> it is
[08:52] <venik> sdd
[08:52] <intelikey> hmmm this computer requires mor ram to run than the one i'm used too..
[08:53] <bryce_> OK... that was way longer than 15 minutes but I'm back :)
[08:53] <intelikey> venik ok is it listed in     cat /etc/fstab
[08:53] <intelikey> bryce_ welcome back.
[08:53] <bryce_> intelikey: Thanks :)
[08:54] <venik> it is listed this way: /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto nouser,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[08:55] <intelikey> you ran some kind of file system setup/config tool ?
[08:55] <venik> no
[08:55] <intelikey> i mean eariler
[08:55] <venik> I did try to use the SystemSettings tool of KDE
[08:56] <venik> but it was too kryptic
[08:56] <venik> at least for a newbie like me
[08:57] <venik> I hope I don't have to re-install Kubuntu just because of this.
[08:59] <jhutchins> venik: No, you won't.
[08:59] <intelikey> k.   well two things in general.   the fstab(file system table) file is a system configuration file that tells the system how to mount things, and usb addresses change.  so anything configured in fstab should either have a static device node or be using the blkid(block id)    secondly some of those options i would not want on a non-system fs  suid and dev  for example.
[08:59] <jhutchins> venik: You could probably just remove the line from your fstab and let it autoconfigure again.
[09:00] <jhutchins> venik: You probably want user, as opposed to nouser.
[09:00] <venik> that sounds good-- let me try that
[09:00] <intelikey> simple solution comment out the line in /etc/fstab and issue sudo umount /devsdd1    unplug/replug the drive
[09:01] <bryce_> Can I borrow some assistance from someone to help me setup Kmail real quickly?
[09:01] <intelikey> jhutchins i think that still assumes to much on usb connections
[09:01] <intelikey> bryce_ just ask
[09:02] <bryce_> intelikey: I'm trying to setup the send and receive, my question is "HOST" is that where I put, pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com?
[09:03] <BluesKaj> bryce_, uhmm why are you using kmail to acces gmail ?
[09:03] <bryce_> pop3 :)
[09:03] <intelikey> BluesKaj why not ?    what would you use ?
[09:03] <bryce_> i set up all my accounts in pop3... my own domain addresses, gmail...
[09:03] <BluesKaj> what email provider do you use in windows?
[09:03] <bryce_> Thundarbird
[09:04] <intelikey> :)
[09:04] <BluesKaj> then whynot use it i kubuntu
[09:04] <BluesKaj> in
[09:04] <bryce_> Because I wanted to try this one :P lol See if it were better
[09:04] <intelikey> email provider =  Thundarbird ???  :)
[09:04] <BluesKaj> also i mean provider not client
[09:04] <intelikey> yeah...
[09:04] <bryce_> oh lol
[09:05] <venik> thanks, folks.  Changing the NOUSER to USER fixed the problem on my USB hard drive. All is well
[09:05] <BluesKaj> I use sympatico here in ontario..what do you use ..telus /
[09:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[09:05] <bryce_> Yes, telus, sorry.
[09:05] <NickPresta> Rogers here in Ontario :)
[09:05] <intelikey> venik k   but keep in mind what i said about the blkid -vs- device node
[09:06] <bryce_> I figured it out anyways ;)
[09:06] <venik> it sounds like Chinese to me....
[09:06] <bryce_> Host is where I stick the smtp and pop addresses
[09:06] <venik> I saw something like that in the System Settings, though
[09:06] <intelikey> venik :)     no it's geek
[09:06] <BluesKaj> ok, that's the provider , so whynot setup the telus account instead , gmail is webmail
[09:07] <jhutchins> bryce_: Pay attention to the tabs at the top that define the sending and receiving hosts.
[09:07] <venik> shoulds I change the line in the /etc/fstab?
[09:07] <bryce_> because I like gmail... I've always used that account address, I hate using the browser to check my mail.
[09:07] <llutz> BluesKaj: gmail offers pop3 too
[09:07] <bryce_> Thanks jhut!
[09:07] <venik> it reads now: /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[09:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, if ya want too, that's yer choice , bryce_ :)
[09:08] <venik> why does auto appear twice?
[09:08] <BluesKaj> to
[09:08] <bryce_> As they say.... "Gmail's da bomb!" lol
[09:08] <KondeDrakul> anyone install ATI drivers with automatix ?
[09:08] <intelikey> venik if it stops working   yes.     simple test; unplug the drive plug anything usb in and replug the drive in another plug   if it still works, i'll eat my hat.
[09:08] <BluesKaj> I use gmail for text filing
[09:08] <bryce_> See, using POP3, I can setup all my emails, then I don't have to run around from site to site to check my emails... I can do it all at once into one inbox folder and don't have to fool around :)
[09:09] <intelikey> first is fstype  second is auto mount
[09:09] <venik> so how do I make it robust so it will work in any usb port?
[09:09] <llutz> "auto" for automount is obsolete
[09:10] <intelikey> venik issue   sudo blkid    and find the block id string for that fs   and then put that string where /dev/sdd1 is now
[09:10] <BluesKaj> !automatix | KondeDrakul
[09:10] <ubotu> KondeDrakul: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[09:10] <intelikey> llutz not obsolete, just default.
[09:10] <intelikey> llutz the opposite  noauto  still keeps it from mounting at boot
[09:10] <jhutchins> llutz: auto means mount at boot.
[09:11] <llutz> jhutchins: any entry without "noauto" will be mounted at boot
[09:12] <intelikey> llutz ubt suppose you don't want any options   what do you put ?    auto   maybe ?
[09:12] <intelikey> but
[09:12] <llutz> intelikey: defaults
[09:12] <venik> is the blkid something that looks like: 4672-F93E
[09:12] <intelikey> same thing
[09:12] <intelikey> venik yes
[09:13] <intelikey> venik this is an example.   UUID="39a3645c-d681-4e63-8131-59198ea7fdf7"
[09:13] <venik> will that replacement allow me to plug this usb hard drive in any usb port?
[09:13] <intelikey> you put that where  /dev/sdd1 is       yes using the  UUID=
[09:13] <venik> ok, thank.  Let me try that
[09:14] <gene> Hey folks, got a ups question, apc-350-ES, show in an lsusb but apctest can't find it, any ideas?
[09:14] <venik> ERROR: Communication problem with kio_uiserver, it probably crashed.
[09:15] <gene> the DEVICE is blank, as shown on the manpage, which should make it autodetect
[09:15] <venik> do I have to say UUID before that weird string?
[09:15] <intelikey> yes
[09:15] <venik> in the fstab file?
[09:15] <intelikey> yes
[09:15] <venik> ok
[09:16] <intelikey> venik this is an example.   UUID="39a3645c-d681-4e63-8131-59198ea7fdf7"
[09:16] <venik> ok
[09:16] <venik> geek can be fun
[09:16] <intelikey> :)
[09:16] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt45g here?
[09:17] <intelikey> gene if no responce here you can ask in #ubuntu   might get lucky...     but if you mention kde/kubuntu they will just point you at us.
[09:18] <intelikey> gene next stop on the list would be   ##linux  or  ##linuxhelp   both are 'unofficial' linux support channels
[09:19] <mike4> Hello
[09:19] <intelikey> meaning general chatter, lax rules and open discussions, but with some pretty knowledgable folks lurking around.
[09:20] <intelikey> and some GPA's too
[09:22] <intelikey> gene and a repost of your Q after someone like me burries it,   never hurt.    just don't repete very many times or the opps get touchy.
[09:23] <voidmage> ugh.
[09:23] <voidmage> my computer won't boot.
[09:23] <voidmage> the hard drive light just flashes slowly
[09:23] <intelikey> ugh
[09:23] <voidmage> i think it's having a kernel panic on boot
[09:23] <intelikey> voidmage how far does it get ?
[09:23] <voidmage> nothing on screen but a cursor
[09:23] <voidmage> well
[09:23] <voidmage> text cursor
[09:23] <drewcipher_> voidmage: any 'clicking?'
[09:23] <intelikey> before or after grub ?
[09:24] <voidmage> after grub
[09:24] <voidmage> clicking?
[09:24] <voidmage> i don't hear any
[09:24] <voidmage> just the cursor blinking and the hard drive light flashing slowly
[09:24] <intelikey> drewcipher_ covered that with the grub Q
[09:24] <voidmage> it might need to cool down
[09:25] <voidmage> apparently it was on the entire bus ride back here
[09:26] <intelikey> voidmage you can change the splash to nosplash   and the silent to vga=normal    and should see what is hanging it.
[09:26] <voidmage> hmm
[09:26] <intelikey> in grub that is
[09:26] <intelikey> voidmage you know how to edit boot options in grub ?
[09:27] <voidmage> yeah
[09:27] <intelikey> k
[09:28] <voidmage> nothing
[09:28] <voidmage> same thing happens
[09:28] <intelikey> doesn't say booting the kernel    loading the initrd    or anything ?
[09:28] <voidmage> nope
[09:28] <root> f
[09:28] <voidmage> nothing
[09:29] <voidmage> i tried booting into recovery mode
[09:29] <voidmage> but same thing there
[09:29] <voidmage> there's no quiet setting on that one either
[09:29] <intelikey> then it sounds like a grub problem    trying to load the kernel and not finding it.  then not being able to chainload back to grub
[09:29] <joseph1110216> why is my volume low on my guast compared to my host...im running a virtual machine
[09:29] <voidmage> hmm
[09:29] <voidmage> trying to remember how to fix grub
[09:29] <voidmage> !grub
[09:29] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:29] <intelikey> !grub
[09:29] <intelikey> yeah
[09:34] <intelikey> it's just too limited.
[09:34] <venik> how do I remove (delete, erase) directories (or mount points)?
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> rm
[09:35] <AhDiCt3D> venik rmdir
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> rm -r or rmdir
[09:35] <trekdanne> venik: be careful tho
[09:35] <trekdanne> venik: especially with rm -r
[09:35] <venik> what can happen?
[09:35] <intelikey> anything mounted gets eraced too
[09:36] <trekdanne> venik: "rm -rf /" delete everything
[09:36] <venik> ok
[09:36] <intelikey> s
[09:36] <intelikey> trekdanne almost as bad as cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda     :)
[09:37] <intelikey> almost   i say.
[09:37] <voidmage> that didn't fix it
[09:37] <trekdanne> intelikey: touche
[09:38] <voidmage> system still won't boot
[09:38] <AhDiCt3D> voidimage try to reset your xorg?
[09:38] <intelikey> AhDiCt3D it's not loading his kernel
[09:38] <AhDiCt3D> intelikey, oh kk
[09:38] <voidmage> i also am having trouble working with the drives on the livecd
[09:39] <voidmage> apparently it's setup in LVM
[09:39] <intelikey> voidmage scsi emulation ?   try /dev/sd?#
[09:39] <voidmage> i tried that and it gave an error
[09:40] <intelikey> heh and try is not a command...  :)
[09:40] <voidmage> as soon as the thing comes back up
[09:40] <intelikey> please define "thing"
[09:40] <voidmage> livecd
[09:42] <intelikey> voidmage you are aware of    /proc/partitions    and     sudo fdisk -l        for accessing information from the system
[09:43] <intelikey> to a beginner that is geek to an old hand at linux it's a foolish Q    but i don't know where you stand in the penguin assembly
[09:43] <voidmage> mount: unknown filesystem type "LVM2_member"
[09:43] <jhutchins> lvm is evil
[09:43] <voidmage> i know
[09:43] <voidmage> didn't set it up that way
[09:44] <voidmage> and i have no idea why it was that way either
[09:44] <intelikey> see also    e2fstune    for fs info
[09:45] <AhDiCt3D> !lvm
[09:45] <intelikey> can save the day in some cases
[09:45] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:45] <intelikey> err  tune2fs    sorry
[09:46] <intelikey> my thinker and my typer are not not connected.
[09:46] <intelikey> not not ....    ?   see
[09:49] <voidmage> I have no idea what i'm doing with my lvm here
[09:53] <spiroo> hello, could someone explain why qtparted cannot manipulate ext3 partitions? :S wtf
[09:54] <spiroo> I can delete NTFS and ext2 but not ext3
[09:54] <spiroo> I know there is GParted, but I wanna know
[09:55] <jhutchins> spiroo: Yeah, everybody's been keeping that secret.
[09:56] <spiroo> what do you mean?
[09:57] <spiroo> I do not wanna use GParted in KDE, or I would really use it in KDE, but is to damn slow :P
[09:58] <voidmage> now i get error 15: file not found
[09:58] <jhutchins> spiroo: Is the ext3 partition you're trying to work with mounted by any chance?
[09:58] <spiroo> no I have unmounted it to 100%
[09:58] <killermach> ok.. I added some smbfs mounts to fstab and I have them mounting to /media .     the problem is each mount is getting an icon on the desktop.. how do I prevent the icons from /media mounts being created on the desktop
[09:59] <spiroo> I just wanna delete and resize, but I cannot. One more thing i cannot move any partition either. In any application
[10:00] <llutz> why should one want to move partitions?
[10:00] <jhutchins> spiroo: are you running from a different drive then?
[10:00] <llutz> spiroo: if you need to resize partitions, use lvm
[10:00] <spiroo> no I am not.
[10:00] <jhutchins> llutz: lvm is evil.
[10:00] <llutz> blah blah
[10:00] <voidmage> i know
[10:00] <killermach> spiroo, are you trying to delete all the partitions from a drive?
[10:00] <voidmage> i HATE lvm
[10:00] <jhutchins> spiroo: Then something's mounted.  You can't mess with the partition table of the drive you booted from.
[10:01] <voidmage> is there any way to delete lvm stuff?
[10:01] <voidmage> because i HATE it
[10:01] <spiroo> I wanna restructure my f******cking partition table. I am sorry, for language, but I am sick of it.
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: Boot from the live CD.
[10:01] <intelikey> killermach right click configure the desktop    show device icons tab   uncheck what you don't want
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: back up any data you want to keep.
[10:01] <spiroo> Why, would LiveCD do it?
[10:01] <spiroo> because no is mounted?
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: because you can't boot from the drive you want to change.
[10:01] <voidmage> is there any way to remove lvm?
[10:02] <spiroo> uhm, I have done that before? :S
[10:02] <spiroo> I mean I have been working with a disk which is booted
[10:02] <killermach> intelikey, thanks
[10:02] <spiroo> Or I mean I have another partitions except where linux is installed
[10:02] <intelikey> jhutchins errumm you can edit the partition table of the root fs drive
[10:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: Well, then, there should be no problem.
[10:03] <spiroo> The thing is that qtparted sucks, in my opinion. Should it be so hard to manipulate partitions in linux?
[10:03] <killermach> spiroo, if you want the the partition table of a drive empty fast, you can use dd to write /dev/zero to the first 512 count on the drive
[10:03] <intelikey> well heh  partitions tables are the problem   imo.
[10:04] <intelikey> i don't have any
[10:04] <spiroo> I dont wanna empty a whole iptable. I wanna move around partitions in it
[10:04] <spiroo> One another annoying thing. I only can have 4 partitions so I also use an extended partition. LOL :D
[10:04] <jhutchins> spiroo: I suggest you try booting from a cd or different drive and doing it.
[10:05] <spiroo> hmm I guess so. But it should work without complicate it like that
[10:05] <intelikey> spiroo you can only have 4 primary   you can have one of the primary be an extended and then have several logical's within it.
[10:05] <spiroo> I know, check my previous posts intelikey :P
[10:06] <killermach> intelikey, didn't work, I did configure desktop -> behavior-> device icons tab, uncheck Mounted Samba Share, icons are still there
[10:06] <killermach> I did right-click Refresh Desktop
[10:06] <jhutchins> intelikey: Doesn't linux handle more than four primaries?
[10:06] <llutz> jhutchins: thats not os.dependend
[10:06] <intelikey> jhutchins i think linux can but i don't think *parted can
[10:07] <spiroo> w00t, like llutz, said it is not OS dependent
[10:07] <jhutchins> I could've sworn I had more than four primaries on a linux system...
[10:07] <spiroo> In windows I can delete and do almost everything that I want. But the thing is that I only have ext3 now, LOL
[10:07] <spiroo> Except the one that have Windows Vista, of course :P
[10:07] <llutz> jhutchins: only with a severe patched hdd-driver
[10:08] <jhutchins> spiroo: Is there some reason NOT to try booting from the CD?
[10:08] <llutz> out of any sepc
[10:08] <llutz> spec
[10:08] <intelikey> llutz hdd driver ?
[10:08] <intelikey> :)
[10:08] <llutz> that part of the kernel, managing hdds
[10:09] <intelikey> llutz i don't use partitions     don't have any does that mean i don't need an hdd driver ?
[10:09] <spiroo> jhutchins: not really, but the CD is quite annoying. It reads cd a several times and say. HD sense_error buffer error something like that. I think my cad has tom many scratches on it :P
[10:09] <llutz> intelikey: how do you access your drive?
[10:09] <spiroo> intelikey: I guess he meant only one partition
[10:09] <intelikey> spiroo i meant none.
[10:10] <spiroo> It is a smart move to have different if someone crashes
[10:10] <intelikey> llutz same way the rest of you do.   i mount the fs
[10:10] <llutz> even with none partition on a drive, you need some piece of software to handle that
[10:10] <llutz> and that pieces allows you to use no partition, but not to use more than 4 primaries
[10:11] <spiroo> anyway, is there any other way to fix my partition problem?
[10:11] <spiroo> !kubuntu tribe 4 download
[10:11] <intelikey> llutz you need two moduls  one for the hardware and one for the fs   i.e.  ide-disk  and  ext2     and that matters not if there are 0 or 40 primary(or extended) partitions
[10:12] <llutz> intelikey: use an unpatched ide-disk and try to handle more than 4 primaries
[10:12] <spiroo> why bother to complicate like that? Not that I do not have any problem, but still :P
[10:13] <voidmage> this is REALLY ANNOYING
[10:13] <voidmage> it's not booting at all now.
[10:14] <voidmage> and the crazy lvm setup is making this really really difficult
[10:14] <spiroo> anyway I will try to boot from LiveCD, what is the download/mirror link to Kubuntu Gutsy Tribe 4?
[10:14] <llutz> intelikey: btw, the reason is that theres no space in the 512 byte of the MBR to fit more than 4 partition-entries. so every OS has to live with that restriction
[10:15] <jhutchins> spiroo: There's a dedicated parted CD available.
[10:15] <spiroo> really, where? Or btw, lol what is a dedicated parted CD?
[10:16] <yellow_chicken> when i click the shutdown button, the menu pops out, but the shutdown optio n is gone. how to fix?
[10:16] <voidmage> I'm running out of patience with this computer and how to fix it.
[10:16] <intelikey> voidmage it's still grub.    i don't know what all you have tried  but;  1. either the information in /boot/grub/devices.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst  don't jive   or....  well there is no 2.
[10:16] <voidmage> what can I do to fix it?
[10:16] <dragon> hi guyz
[10:16] <jhutchins> voidmage: As far as I know, the only way to convert from LVM back to normal partitions is to transfer the data.
[10:16] <dragon> need some help with amarok
[10:16] <spiroo> what is problem with grub?
[10:17] <spiroo> amarok, what about it?
[10:17] <dragon> where can i find a codec for mp3s
[10:17] <spiroo> I have the solution
[10:17] <dragon> there is none in the repos
[10:17] <spiroo> install libxine-extracodecs ;P
[10:17] <voidmage> oh.
[10:17] <voidmage> i see what's happening.
[10:17] <voidmage> i tried doing it manually
[10:17] <spiroo> Go to adept if you are using that and check every 3rd-party-software
[10:17] <voidmage> it freaks out at the kernel part
[10:18] <voidmage> grub> kernel /vmlinux-2.6.20-16-generic
[10:18] <intelikey> voidmage pastebin me information form the file created by       cat /proc/partitions /mounted/boot/grub/devices.map /mounted/grub/menu.lst > ~/information
[10:18] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[10:18] <voidmage> (stops, hard drive light blinks)
[10:18] <voidmage> I can't paste anything because i can't boot.
[10:18] <intelikey> voidmage livecd
[10:18] <dragon> ok tnx
[10:18] <spiroo> intelikey: why?
[10:19] <intelikey> voidmage and /mounted/  means mount the root fs for the system some place and substitute that dir
[10:19] <voidmage> I have trouble mounting the root fs because it's lvm
[10:19] <intelikey> spiroo why what ?
[10:19] <voidmage> and mount doesn't like taking that
[10:19] <voidmage> and it doesn't bring up an entry in /dev
[10:19] <voidmage> which is how it usually mounts
[10:19] <spiroo>  <intelikey> voidmage livecd
[10:20] <voidmage> you don't understand
[10:20] <voidmage> i can't mount the root filesystem because it's in lvm
[10:20] <voidmage> and don't know how to mount lvm
[10:20] <spiroo> ah haha sorry. I thought you meant avoid image liveCD :D
[10:20] <spiroo> did not think about the user, sorry voidmimage :P
[10:20] <Assid> stupid nfs
[10:21] <spiroo> btw: How to backup then, Keep is not doing the job
[10:21] <spiroo> I need to backup to DVD
[10:21] <jhutchins> voidmage: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[10:21] <spiroo> no application for that or lib thata I know anyway
[10:21] <Assid> anyanyone here using sshfs?
[10:22] <llutz> spiroo: use growisofs
[10:22] <voidmage> okay
[10:22] <voidmage> but that doesn't tell me how to mount it.
[10:22] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Backup/DVD-Backup-9701.shtml
[10:23] <spiroo> growisofs? what is that?
[10:23] <llutz> growisofs (1)        - combined genisoimage frontend/DVD recording program.
[10:24] <spiroo> cool, never found that package before
[10:24] <Assid> hrmm hanyone here played with sshfs?
[10:24] <llutz> spiroo: you won't like it, it's CLI
[10:24] <voidmage> intelikey: i don't have a devices.map in /boot
[10:24] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://www.bluehaze.com.au/unix/cdbkup.html
[10:24] <spiroo> llutz, what do you mean?
[10:24] <voidmage> oh, /boot/gru
[10:24] <voidmage> b
[10:25] <jhutchins> Assid: I use the fish:// protocol in konqueor.
[10:25] <llutz> spiroo: it has no GUI, nothing to click at
[10:25] <Assid> fish ?
[10:25] <spiroo> Could you unite with one package please, get very confused over here :D
[10:25] <spiroo> llutz: I do not need GUI but I prefer that
[10:25] <Karti> Hi, all - Any ideas why Konqueror comes up as Stalled when I open it and it tries to view my Home Drive? Cheers
[10:26] <drewcipher_> Assid:  I have sshfs running / works well.   but, set up a while ago so not fresh in my mind
[10:27] <Assid> drewcipher_: can you get sshfs to get you root on the other box?
[10:27] <Assid> so you can access all the files
[10:27] <Assid> nfs is just unstable for me
[10:27] <drewcipher_> assid: haven't done that yet.  mounting as my user account
[10:27] <voidmage> great.
[10:27] <voidmage> i can't even GET the files to paste.
[10:27] <voidmage> because i think my wireless is down
[10:29] <spiroo> llutz, jhutchins: anything?
[10:29] <llutz> Assid: enable rootlogin at remote-sshd
[10:29] <intelikey> voidmage oh sorry  no s in device.map
[10:29] <llutz> Assid: remote-pc needs to have a root-account, no *ubuntu-sudo-cripple
[10:30] <intelikey> all linux boxen have a root account by default
[10:30] <llutz> blah blah
[10:31] <llutz> try  root-login on default ubuntu and see what i mean
[10:31] <intelikey> i know that the password is locked  that doesn't mean the account is not there or usable
[10:31] <spiroo> Is there any good GUI like Nero BackItup anywhere?
[10:32] <llutz> intelikey: you are right, but not in this context (ssh access)
[10:32] <spiroo> To bad Nero does not include that in package.
[10:32] <llutz> intelikey: and excuse me for not being native-english
[10:33] <intelikey> llutz two things affect that   root password or auth-key  and /etc/ssh/sshd_conf   settings    AllowRoot=
[10:33] <jhutchins> Assid: nfs is plenty stable, but it might be difficult to figure out.
[10:33] <Assid> llutz: how about servers that require certificate logins?
[10:33] <voidmage> ugh.
[10:33] <voidmage> i can't get wireless to work
[10:33] <Assid> jhutchins: it just dies on me,.. im working and wham. hung
[10:33] <voidmage> so i can't get a pastebin.
[10:33] <drewcipher_> sshfs is great when there is no nfs export.
[10:33] <jhutchins> llutz: Rather than allow root logins with password, the remote system should be set up with a shared key.
[10:33] <spiroo> btw, is there any possibility to always be sudo, not ever have to type in password in Kubuntu?
[10:34] <jhutchins> Assid: Ah.
[10:34] <jhutchins> Assid: Possibly a time-out or a dropped connection.
[10:34] <Assid> i open a new session.. and ls the mounted nfs.. i see the files.. even the new ones i made ont he other box
[10:34] <Assid> so it does get updated info
[10:34] <Assid> it just hangs on simple cp and stuff
[10:34] <intelikey> voidmage ok.   i'll have to go in about three minuts anyway.    maybe someone else can help you.
[10:34] <voidmage> it must be this lvm shit.
[10:35] <jhutchins> !language
[10:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:35] <intelikey> google grub and lvm
[10:35] <intelikey> or grub on lvm
[10:35] <Assid> can i get sshfs to work with certificate ? id_dsa ?
[10:35] <Assid> and id_rsa
[10:35] <jhutchins> Assid: Needless to say, it's probably a pain to get that worked out.
[10:35] <Assid> yeah im just tired
[10:35] <intelikey> Assid yes  it can be done.
[10:37] <killermach> intelikey, logout login removed the icons
[10:37] <Assid> intelikey: how?
[10:38] <intelikey> killermach cool.    but that sounds like a bug    it shouldn't have required that for it to affect the desktop\
[10:38] <voidmage> okay
[10:38] <intelikey> Assid script it.    but i have to go for a few hours.
[10:38] <voidmage> i got devmapper working
[10:38] <jtmoney> no one likes kubuntu anymore
[10:38] <voidmage> on my system the drives mount as /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root
[10:38] <jtmoney> too many problems
[10:38] <voidmage> and /dev/mapper/swap
[10:39] <waylandbill_> I would think the id_rsa would work by just setting up the authorized_keys on the server end.
[10:39] <spiroo> lol. Kubuntu is gonna release a new very good one and KDe 4 is on its way
[10:39] <Assid> hrmm
[10:39] <spiroo> Kubuntu is the greatest
[10:40] <spiroo> almost anyway. Looking forward to stable release
[10:42] <voidmage> oh
[10:42] <voidmage> here's the problem
[10:42] <voidmage> maybe
[10:42] <spiroo> any tips for burn an OS cd?
[10:43] <magicalmoose> like, you want to burn kubuntu onto a cd?
[10:43] <underdog5004> I'm here, if anyone has any questions
[10:48] <waylandbill_> magicalmoose: if you are running windows ATM, google for a free download called "ISORecorder" .. it will burn you a CD (assuming you don't have Nero or the like)
[10:49] <waylandbill_> underdog5004: I'd like to know the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.
[10:49] <underdog5004> 42
[10:50] <Karti> underdog5004: Go on then - Any ideas why Konqueror comes up as Stalled when I open it and it tries to view my Home Drive? Cheers
[10:50] <waylandbill_> You're amazing! ;-)
[10:50] <underdog5004> Karti, do you mean when you try to view your home directory?
[10:51] <magicalmoose> waylandbill: im not the one looking for a way to make an os cd.
[10:51] <voidmage> I fixed the root (it was on hd0,0 instead of 0,4)
[10:51] <Karti> Yes when I go through the System Menu on the task bar, to view my Home, it says its stalled then comes up about 1 minute later
[10:51] <voidmage> and now it gives error 17
[10:51] <Assid> great
[10:51] <Assid> it dont work
[10:52] <Assid> crap
[10:52] <waylandbill_> spiroo: : if you are running windows ATM, google for a free download called "ISORecorder" .. it will burn you a CD (assuming you don't have Nero or the like)
[10:53] <waylandbill_> Karti: how many entries are in the home directory?
[10:54] <Karti> waylandbill_: I have only had this image for about 8 days, it has about 10 folders inside
[10:54] <Karti> + the hidden .kde etc
[10:55] <dragon> hi guyz
[10:55] <jhutchins> Karti: I would suggest running fsck to check the disk.
[10:55] <underdog5004> adios
[10:55] <waylandbill_> Karti: I was just curious if it had many files in that directory that konq would need to use plugins for, like thumbnailing images and the like.
[10:55] <dragon> any ideas how to make amarok play mp3s?i installed the ubuntu-restricted-extras but it was no good
[10:56] <jhutchins> dragon: Have you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[10:56] <Karti> waylandbill_: It was fine until last night then it sort of went funny lol
[10:56] <ninhobomba> why is it that everytime i do a lspci command on konsole it just stays blank
[10:57] <ninhobomba> ?
[10:57] <jhutchins> ninhobomba: try sudo lspci
[10:57] <ninhobomba> thanks
[10:57] <Karti> jhutchins: with fsck it comes up with some strong warnings for a mounted disk, should that be OK?
[10:58] <jhutchins> Karti: What I would do is reboot with the command sudo shutdown -F -r now
[10:58] <jhutchins> Karti: the -F tells the system to check the disks before mounting them on reboot.
[10:58] <Karti> jhutchins: many thanks, will try that now
[10:59] <jhutchins> Karti: Come back and let us know if it helped!
[10:59] <Karti> no probs ;)
[10:59] <curtis_> hi all.  has anyone had any luck getting dvd's to backup with Kubuntu?
[11:01] <ninhobomba> curtis: have you tried k9copy?
[11:01] <spiroo> waylandbill: I mean any special settings or CD/DVD to burn LiveCD in K3B
[11:01] <curtis_> nonhobomba : no I haven't.  Any packages I need to rip with css protrection
[11:02] <llutz> curtis_: libdvdcss2
[11:02] <jhutchins> spiroo: as opposed to what?
[11:02] <curtis_> llutz : got that.  OK.  I'll give it a shot.  I installed DVDFab under Wine but it came out REALLY bad.
[11:02] <voidmage> how do I mount a lvm module under /dev/mapper?
[11:02] <voidmage> er
[11:03] <voidmage> how do i mount a lvm filesystem under /dev/mapper?
[11:03] <spiroo> jhutchins: To burn a clean an nice none scratched erorr or anything like it.
[11:03] <jhutchins> spiroo: Make sure you click the "noscratch" button.
[11:03] <spiroo> lol
[11:04] <spiroo> Okay, sorry, I mean no errors while burning or the data to get any error
[11:05] <voidmage> on a livecd, how do i setup my lvm filesystem to access it?
[11:05] <jhutchins> spiroo: Just burn it already.  You can have k3b verify it when complete, that may be the option you're looking for.
[11:06] <spiroo> I have checked verify but It did not process it so I had to kill k3b process. Hope it got correct
[11:06] <Karti> jhutchins: Looks like that cleared it up
[11:06] <spiroo> cya, going to boot livecd and fix the ****** partitions :D
[11:07] <jhutchins> Karti: Great!
[11:08] <Karti> jhutchins: can you recommend any tools that report back on disks or smart drives?
[11:08] <voidmage> my lvm drives aren't mounting on my livecd.
[11:08] <voidmage> can anyone help?
[11:09] <mattia> buonasera
[11:09] <mattia> scusate, a chi posso chiedere ?
[11:09] <mattia>  abbastanza imporatnte .. ho problemi con kubuntu
[11:09] <mattia> -.
[11:09] <llutz> !it | mattia
[11:09] <Karti> !es
[11:09] <jhutchins> Karti: Report back?  smartmontools might be what you're after.
[11:09] <ubotu> mattia: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:09] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:10] <mattia> non mi copia piu le cose del dekstop
[11:10] <Karti> jhutchins: cheers will have a look
[11:12] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt54g willing to test something for me?
[11:16] <Karti> what does **Currently only for gtk** mean? cheers
[11:17] <jhutchins> Karti: gtk is a graphics library ... what context?
[11:17] <jhutchins> !info smartmontools
[11:17] <ubotu> smartmontools: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.36-8ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 256 kB, installed size 624 kB
[11:18] <Karti> downloade smartmontools and its gui smart-notifier, and when i searched for smart notifier, it said that on the website
[11:18] <jhutchins> Karti: btw I think that was portuguese.
[11:19] <Karti> na! thats my one hand typing!
[11:19] <jhutchins> I mean mattia.
[11:20] <Karti> lol ahhhh
[11:20] <llutz> jhutchins: italian
[11:21] <Karti> I had a quick quess with spannish :)
[11:22] <jhutchins> Yeah, it does look like italian I guess.
[11:24] <Karti> Just watching Street Wars on TV.....lol kids and drinks!
[11:27] <compilerwriter> I have this usb stick drive that I am not sure if it is good or bad.  It does not automount when I connect it to my machine.  I know at one time the thing was formatted so that Demi-Sized Linux go be booted from it.  I am not sure if that would prevent it being automounted or not.  So how would I try to mount the thing manually to see if the drive is crap or if it needs to be reformatted?
[11:28] <llutz> compilerwriter: sudo fdisk -l
[11:28] <llutz> compilerwriter: if it is recognized: pmount /dev/<partition>
[11:28] <compilerwriter> llutz I do that with it connected?
[11:28] <llutz> sure
[11:30] <compilerwriter> llutz All the fdisk does is show me /dev/sda1 linux /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 swap
[11:31] <llutz> compilerwriter: thats the internal hdd?
[11:31] <Karti> nite all, thanks for the help
[11:31] <compilerwriter> I believe that is the internal hd yes llutz
[11:31] <llutz> compilerwriter: more output with "cat /proc/partitions" ?
[11:33] <yeniklasorr> Do you know port number of an adsl modem's login page (like 192.168.2.1 or 10.0.0.2)
[11:33] <compilerwriter> llutz http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34456/
[11:33] <llutz> compilerwriter: one more: lsusb
[11:36] <voidmage> grub> root (hd0,4)
[11:36] <voidmage> grub> find /
[11:36] <voidmage> error 17: cannot mount selected partition
[11:36] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: Depends on the modem.
[11:37] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : airties
[11:37] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : or do you know some
[11:38] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You'll have to search for your particular model on the net.
[11:39] <Stygian> Anyone know of any issues with installing Kubuntu to a VMware GSX virtual server?
[11:39] <[ifr0g] > any idea why video streaming only goes half my actual speed ?
[11:39] <[ifr0g] > How could i trouble shoot this ?
[11:41] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins: for "airties port number" ?
[11:42] <jhutchins> Stygian: #vmware maybe.
[11:43] <compilerwriter> llutz you still on.  Evidently the battery in my ups has crapped out and I need to get a new.  Power outtage took me offline.
[11:43] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: The IP should be the same as the gateway.
[11:43] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You may not be able to access it internally.
[11:43] <AhDiCt3D> AhDiCt3D: test
[11:44] <llutz> compilerwriter: yep
[11:44] <llutz> yeniklasorr: try 192.168.2.1
[11:44] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: Personally, I've never heard of "airties", and you would need a model number to find anything useful.
[11:44] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : I want to learn its port (like for http 80 )
[11:44] <AhDiCt3D> !nvidia | AhDiCt3D
[11:44] <NickPresta> Any idea how to make KDE use medium hinting for everything except bold fonts (Where I want to use full hinting)
[11:44] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: nmap it.
[11:44] <yeniklasorr> how
[11:45] <llutz> compilerwriter: is the stick listed by lsusb?
[11:45] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : can you teach
[11:46] <compilerwriter> llutz:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34458/
[11:46] <compilerwriter> llutz By the looks of things I don't think so.
[11:47] <llutz> compilerwriter: looks not like an usb-stick :) have you tried to re-plugin it?
[11:48] <compilerwriter> I just plugged it in to my usb2 card
[11:49] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt54g willing to test something for me?
[11:50] <compilerwriter> I also just hooked up a working usb stick that automounted nicely to the same card llutz.
[11:51] <llutz> compilerwriter: sounds like a damaged stick.
[11:51] <compilerwriter> ok I will just chuck it then
[11:52] <llutz> compilerwriter: >4GB?
[11:52] <compilerwriter> Yes llutz it is less than 4GB
[11:52] <llutz> compilerwriter: cheap enough
[11:54] <compilerwriter> Kind of upsetting nevertheless.   I will just have to spend another $10.00 to get one so I will have one if I need it.  I only have a 32 meg one left now llutz.
[11:54] <llutz> 32... not that much
[11:55] <compilerwriter> No makes it kind of hard to carry installation files from pc to pc.
[12:09] <ninhobomba> iwconfig only lists lo and eth0... but in the livecd it lists wlan0... it must be something i did.. how do i get it back to original state without needing to format and reinstall kubuntu?
[12:12] <speaker219> I need some help very badly. I just accidently deleted the windows entry in my /boot/grub/menu.lst. can somebody tell me what i should put back in there? Or a command i could run? Please!
[12:14] <underdog5004> !grub
[12:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:15] <dga> Hello
[12:16] <dga> where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[12:21] <docta_v> who can i speak with regarding having the siteban removed for my site for #ubuntu?
[12:22] <docta_v> could someone ping the folks in #ubuntu for me please?
[12:24] <NickPresta> docta_v, why were you banned?
[12:25] <docta_v> i don't know... nothing i did
[12:25] <docta_v> it's a major university so a lot of people connect from there
[12:25] <docta_v> the ban has been in place for several weeks, it seems reasonable to remove it at this point
[12:27] <NickPresta> docta_v, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators I would contact one of the operators of #ubuntu and explain your case. They will find a solution, I'm sure.
[12:29] <docta_v> NickPresta: cool, thanks for your help.
[12:33] <jhutchins> docta_v: Sounds like maybe someone was a bit sloppy, or maybe it was an extreme problem, but you should be able to get the U un-blocked.
[12:33] <jhutchins> Berkeley?  Sheesh!
[12:36] <krisx> windows rules lol
[12:36] <NickPresta> krisx, ?