[01:15] <arooni> folks when i start up X .... i just get black screen...... (t61 with intel x3100 and intel driver installled (2.10 version backported from gutsy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943) .... ideas?
[01:18] <Arwen> nope, it's beyodn me
[01:19] <arooni> is there a version of the kernel for 7.04 that is newer than 2.6.21 ?  id rather not build the kernal from scratch
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> arooni: yeah, there is a way to get a 2.6.22 from gutsy
[01:20] <arooni> nosrednaekim: can you tell me how
[01:20] <Arwen> you need to build it yourself >_>
[01:21] <arooni> Arwen: which one should i download
[01:21] <arooni> 2.6.22?
[01:21] <arooni> can i backport it somehow
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> arooni: I lost the link... an I forget how... but google it
[01:21] <Arwen> ...
[01:21] <Arwen> backporting = recompiling
[01:22] <Arwen> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu <-- how to compile a kernel
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> no.. you can get it from the gutsy repos somehow
[01:24] <Arwen> eh? and will it work is the question
[01:24] <Arwen> if you want to do that using a series of apt policies, I can try and help you
[01:24] <arooni> how do i remove packages
[01:24] <arooni> that havve been uninstalled
[01:24] <arooni> but are still there
[01:24] <Arwen> o.O
[01:25] <Arwen> if you mean it still has conf files around - apt-get remove --purge package
[01:25] <arooni> basically i try to install buil-essential and i gett errors:  depends: lib6c-dev but it is not going to be installed or libcc6-dev
[01:25] <arooni> how do i fix this
[01:25] <Arwen> try running "apt-get install libc6-dev" and see what's the problem
[01:26] <arooni> Arwen: some packages cannot be installed.... the following packages have unmet dependencies:  libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-0ubuntu14) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed .. E: broken packages
[01:26] <arooni> how do i fix
[01:26] <arooni> i need to recomiple kernal
[01:27] <Arwen> arooni, oh, I'm guessing that you have a mix of gutsy and feisty packages?
[01:27] <arooni> Arwen: exactly
[01:27] <arooni> i tried to do this backporting thing earlier
[01:27] <arooni> to get my video working
[01:27] <arooni> now i realize i have to recomiple kernal
[01:28] <arooni> with a new version
[01:28] <arooni> so how do i fix
[01:28] <Arwen> I need you to pastebin /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:28] <arooni> Arwen: prefernces are here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29
[01:29] <arooni> Arwen: sources.list is too
[01:29] <Arwen> ah, feisty packages have a higher priority than gutsy ones. Try apt-get install libc6-dev=2.6.1-0ubuntu1
[01:29] <arooni> Arwen: should i just delete those preferences & such
[01:30] <Arwen> no, they're important. Without them, gutsy packages would flood your system.
[01:32] <DanaG> Argh, I hate how one core panics upon resume from suspend.
[01:33] <Arwen> one core panics? so your other one doesn't?
[01:34] <Arwen> arooni, you know, you could just install gutsy instead of trying to maintain a franken-build
[01:35] <arooni> Arwen: i know maybe i should?
[01:36] <arooni> how easy is it
[01:36] <arooni> to move from a tribe
[01:36] <arooni> to a release
[01:37] <Arwen> wha?
[01:37] <Arwen> you mean from a release to the tribe, right?
[01:37] <arooni> hmmmm
[01:38] <arooni> well i mean a RTM release
[01:38] <arooni> i mean ... whe the final version comes out
[01:38] <Arwen> dist-upgrading's success rate is inversely proportional to the amount of extra repositories you have
[01:39] <Arwen> so, the more hacking you've done, the less the chance of success
[01:39] <DanaG> That
[01:39] <arooni> so what if i stay at gutsy tribe 4
[01:39] <arooni> until gutsy final comes out
[01:39] <arooni> will i be able to upgrade
[01:39] <DanaG> Yeah, I get a panic on one core, but the other core stays perfectly functional.
[01:39] <arooni> if i havent messed up anything
[01:39] <Arwen> yes, because they're both gutsy
[01:40] <Arwen> in reality, if you install the tribe, it'll more or less upgrade incrementally each day
[01:40] <Arwen> DanaG, that's really weird
[01:40] <DanaG> I even get the caps-lock LED blinking.
[01:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129226
[01:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] 
[01:42] <DanaG> Note that that bug mentions an oops; my dmesg shows a panic.
[01:43] <Arwen> hmm, I wonder if that would apply to a fake dual-core (HyperThreading)
[01:43] <Arwen> perhaps I should go try
[01:44] <arooni> Arwen: i downloaded gutsy at home but  i have: -rw-r--r-- 1 chasetoys chasetoys 726267904 2007-08-04 18:18 gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:44] <ggilbert> arooni: In theory, if you upgrade regularly your system will be pretty close to what the final gutsy will be around Oct 4th
[01:45] <Arwen> arooni, that's a CD image. You're supposed to burn it and then boot from it.
[01:45] <arooni> but when do dc3f9dba1f83fb7e47ddf7e2d377398b  gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:45] <arooni> thats not the same checksum
[01:45] <arooni> from the website
[01:45] <arooni> is that a bad thing?
[01:45] <arooni>  md5sum gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:45] <Arwen> oh wait, wrong checksum? yeah, that's bad. very bad.
[01:45] <arooni> ok so i shouldnt useit
[01:45] <Arwen> nah :-)
[01:46] <ggilbert> You should be able to pretty quickly fix that with bittorrent
[01:46] <Arwen> if it's only broken in a few places, getting the torrent and making it save to that file will repair it
[01:46] <Arwen> if it's totally broken, that's a whole other story
[01:46] <arooni> ahh ok...
[01:46] <arooni> how do i get a torrent ui
[01:46] <arooni> azareus keeps crashing
[01:46] <arooni> i dont want a command line tool
[01:46] <Arwen> hmm? try ktorrent or bittorrent-gui
[01:47] <rsk> or deluge
[01:47] <Arwen> or that
[01:47] <Arwen> speaking of Azureus, it doesn't seem to work under gutsy (stock version).
[01:47] <Arwen> hangs on opening a file
[01:47] <arooni> can i repair a file that was downloaded from HTTP?
[01:47] <arooni> or do i have to start from scratch
[01:48] <Arwen> you can repair it
[01:48] <arooni> how do i launch bittorrent gui
[01:48] <arooni> i already isntalled it
[01:48] <Arwen> dunno, I never installed it
[01:48] <arooni> ktorrent cradshes
[01:48] <arooni> man i'm unlucky
[01:49] <Arwen> lol
[01:49] <ggilbert> arooni: If you just download the torrent file from ubuntu's website, it should launch it for you
[01:49] <arooni> how do i get deluge
[01:49] <Arwen> arooni, type "btdownloadgui.bittorrent"
[01:49] <Arwen> stupid naming scheme..
[01:49] <ggilbert> http://deluge-torrent.org/
[01:50] <Arwen> or yeah, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/index.php?dir=ubuntu/feisty/0.5.4.1/&file=deluge-torrent_0.5.4.1-1_i386.deb
[01:50] <ggilbert> It might be in the ubuntu repository, but it's changing fat enough that I'd rather use the latest
[01:51] <ggilbert> fast
[01:54] <arooni> how do you repair ?
[01:54] <arooni> a torrent file
[01:55] <Arwen> download the .torrent file, open it in your client, when it asks for the save location, point it to the broken file
[01:56] <Arwen> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[02:11] <DanaG> Argh, somehow my fat32 partition became read-only.
[02:11] <DanaG> How do I force it to not be RO?
[02:27] <Arwen> mount -o rw -t vfat /dev/blah /mnt/blah ?
[02:28] <DanaG> I used mount -o remount,rw /dev/whatever
[02:28] <dick-richardson> anyone familiar with a webmin alternative? I'm ashamed to admit my command line skills aren't up to snuff compared with what I was doing in webmin :/
[02:37] <Arwen> hey cool, amarok visualizations
[02:44] <DanaG> ...Until the GLX ones crash Xorg when run on Compiz under NVIDIA.
[02:44] <Arwen> lol
[02:57] <arooni> folks quick q:  is it OK if i use a nightly build of gutsy
[02:57] <arooni> or should i use a tribe on
[02:57] <arooni> one
[02:57] <anon32> you should use a nightly
[02:57] <anon32> cuts down on the number of updates you'll have to install afterwards
[02:58] <arooni> ok good
[02:58] <anon32> oh, but sometimes the nightlies are larger than 700MB. Watch out for that.
[02:58] <arooni> anon32: what speed to run it at?
[02:58] <anon32> run what?
[02:58] <arooni> the burn
[02:58] <arooni> 2x?
[02:59] <arooni> 24x?
[02:59] <anon32> if you only have one CD, as low as possible. Otherwise just try the max.
[02:59] <arooni> what do u mean one cd?
[02:59] <anon32> (if your filesystem/harddrive isn't borked and really slow)
[02:59] <anon32> only one blank
[02:59] <arooni> ahh ok
[02:59] <arooni> is it ok to burn to dvd?
[03:00] <anon32> yes, as long as your computer can boot them
[03:05] <arooni> here comes gutsy
[03:05] <arooni> man i hope this makes it better
[03:05] <arooni> for my t61
[03:05] <anon32> heh
[03:05] <arooni> cua feisty is a nighmare
[03:07] <arooni> anon32: my disk is built on 7/18
[03:07] <arooni> is that ok?
[03:07] <anon32> why not?
[03:07] <arooni> i dont know
[03:07] <arooni> whats the difference between later releases?
[03:07] <arooni> the packages?
[03:07] <anon32> more updated packages
[03:09] <arooni> anon32: its flashing _ on top left
[03:09] <arooni> oh there it goes i supose
[03:09] <anon32> heh, just tell me when there's a problem. Unix philosophy: if it worked, don't waste space saying "it worked".
[03:10] <arooni> ahhh ok
[03:10] <arooni> well color me suprised
[03:10] <arooni> cuz i see a GUI
[03:10] <anon32> yay?
[03:10] <arooni> this is a first for me with this lappy
[03:10] <arooni> ive been in cli hell for days
[03:10] <anon32> heh, command lines are fun. But being stuck on a black/white console for days woulda made my eyes bleed.
[03:11] <anon32> :-\
[03:11] <kavon> yay arooni :)
[03:11] <anon32> oh yeah, time to go play around with the new 2.3 series GIMP
[03:11] <kavon> is anyone else having a problem with flash-nonfree with konqurer or is it fixed in the 186 updates i need
[03:12] <kavon> youtube crashes
[03:12] <arooni> ok so live cd is booted
[03:12] <anon32> hmm, it's got some new shiny icons at least
[03:12] <arooni> but i dont see the place for 'install ubuntu'
[03:12] <arooni> like there normally is
[03:12] <anon32> arooni, oh dear, that's not good
[03:12] <arooni> maybe i burned it too fast?
[03:12] <anon32> can't be
[03:13] <anon32> probably it's just filed under another location
[03:13] <anon32> try system -> admin
[03:13] <arooni> could not launch menu item:  Error reading file: file:///usr/share/applciaiton/ubiquity-tkui;.desktop' unspported operation
[03:13] <arooni> i think i burned it too fast :9
[03:14] <flaccid> anybody got cisco vpn client going in gutsy?
[03:14] <flaccid> ie. compilation of the binary against kernel headers
[03:14] <anon32> arooni, hmm, maybe.
[03:15] <anon32> try with an alternate cd then? harder to mess those up. Or just burn it again/
[03:15] <arooni> i will reburn
[03:15] <arooni> i want my GUI
[03:15] <anon32> lol
[03:15] <arooni> man
[03:15] <arooni> it looks good
[03:20] <xtknight> is gutsy experiencing breakage now?  my gdm seems to "backtrace"
[03:21] <anon32> doesn't happen here. go file a bug?
[03:21] <xtknight> have you rebooted since the last barrage of updates?
[03:24] <anon32> last barrage?
[03:24] <anon32> I just upgraded today
[03:25] <xtknight> i386 or amd64?
[03:28] <anon32> i386
[03:31] <xtknight> ok it looks like nvidia-glx is a bit on the fritz, that's about the only problem for me
[03:33] <arooni> ioh dear
[03:33] <arooni> looks like i dont get option to install
[03:33] <arooni> :(
[03:33] <xtknight> hey arooni
[03:33] <arooni> must be a bad .iso
[03:33] <arooni> they xtknight
[03:33] <anon32> that can't be good :-\
[03:33] <xtknight> gutsy daily has got to be broken today tho
[03:33] <anon32> try an alternate install?
[03:33] <xtknight> the installer failed for me after python (the alternate noe)
[03:33] <arooni> damn and tribe 4 is taking FOREVER to downkload
[03:33] <anon32> or that
[03:34] <arooni> huh?
[03:34] <arooni> so what should i do?
[03:34] <arooni> safe graphics mode?
[03:34] <arooni> or ditch this iso
[03:34] <arooni> my internets is ridiculously slow :(
[03:34] <anon32> probably you're gonna have to ditch it
[03:35] <anon32> oh, you could try typing "ubiquity" into the terminal. maybe that'll help.
[03:35] <xtknight> what's the problem?
[03:35] <xtknight> and which cd did he try?
[03:35] <arooni> a nightly build
[03:35] <anon32> his install CD (daily live cd) doesn't have a link to the installer
[03:35] <arooni> from 7/16
[03:35] <xtknight> hmm
[03:36] <arooni> man
[03:36] <arooni> i cant launch any apps either
[03:36] <arooni> this is royall messed up :*(
[03:36] <xtknight> ya im done trying dailys
[03:36] <xtknight> arooni, my experience has been just as bad
[03:36] <xtknight> every daily crashes like nuts
[03:36] <xtknight> the Tribes seem ok
[03:36] <arooni> i have tribe 4 coming
[03:36] <arooni> in 3hours!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:36] <xtknight> hehe
[03:36] <kavon> are dailys the updates for tribes?
[03:36] <xtknight> basically
[03:36] <arooni> so
[03:36] <kavon> :o i'm installing 186 of them
[03:37] <arooni> should i not run sudo apt-get update
[03:37] <kavon> from tribe 4 kubun
[03:37] <kavon> lol
[03:37] <anon32> I just upgraded from Feisty, worked out more or less :-\
[03:37] <xtknight> hmm
[03:37] <anon32> had to set a couple of policy rules, but it worked out
[03:37] <kavon> i havn't found any bugs besides this annoying clock problem in KDE
[03:37] <kavon> it won't blend :z
[03:37] <anon32> WILL IT BLEND?
[03:38] <xtknight> where do you place Modelines?
[03:38] <anon32> under the Monitor section I think
[03:39] <xtknight> ah thx
[03:43] <kavon> lol anon32
[03:43] <kavon> just saw it ;D
[03:50] <xtknight> is there a way to disable compiz in gutsy?
[03:50] <xtknight> isn't giving me window decorations :|
[03:51] <anon32> system -> prefs -> appearance -> effects iirc
[03:52] <anon32> lol, I just turned those on... desktop corruption :-\
[03:52] <xtknight> ahhh thank you
[03:52] <anon32> (my desktop res exceeds my 3d texture size)
[03:52] <xtknight> your desktop res=?
[03:53] <anon32> 2560x1024
[03:53] <xtknight> ah same
[03:53] <ameyer> sounds like a (censored) video card
[03:53] <anon32> I'd like 3200x1200 but that's not gonna happen :-\
[03:53] <xtknight> well similar at least 1680x1050+1280x1024
[03:54] <xtknight> if i try to enable or disable Compiz effects my system just hard freezes
[03:54] <xtknight> so im glad for my SysRq key
[03:55] <ameyer> intel graphics?
[03:55] <xtknight> nvidia 7800gt
[03:55] <ameyer> well, the i810 driver likes hosing the system
[03:55] <xtknight> half of the effects work, but no window decorations
[03:56] <ameyer> the newer intel driver seems to not do it so far...
[03:56] <anon32> heh, compositebydefault :-\
[03:56] <xtknight> ya bad idea
[03:56] <anon32> yeah, what will you do when they don't work?
[03:56] <xtknight> composite feels like "testing" to me every time i use it
[03:56] <anon32> and what better way to lose users than to make it broken by default on over half of all installs?
[03:56] <xtknight> ya no doubt
[03:56] <xtknight> but it's a great way to test compiz huh?
[03:56] <anon32> heh
[03:56] <xtknight> at least compiz will get more stable as a result hehe
[03:57] <anon32> real problem is that composite won't ever get anywhere with the current driver mess
[03:57] <xtknight> i wonder if they will use compositebydefault on LTS+1
[03:57] <ameyer> last I tried compiz on my ancient intel 845 graphics chipset, it worked fine
[03:57] <ameyer> actually, compiz worked better than the various non-composite WMs
[03:58] <anon32> but the fact is that it doesn't work on a lot of setups
[03:58] <anon32> you should go with what's most likely to work, not what's most flashy or even fastest
[03:58] <xtknight> well compiz totally crashes with the nvidia-glx driver in the repos. with the ones on nvidia.com it works but with no window decs (this is gutsy stock compiz).  ive gotten compiz fully functional before
[03:58] <xtknight> it's just that they cant get a version out there that works for everyone
[03:58] <anon32> yeah, I had it working earlier too. but then I added my second display
[03:59] <xtknight> anon32, well my 2nd display works but only in separate desktop mode
[03:59] <xtknight> but compiz can do effects over both
[03:59] <anon32> yeah, I don't have that much VRAM, lol
[03:59] <xtknight> hehe
[03:59] <xtknight> so has anyone else tried Gutsy daily alternate today?  def. broken for me
[04:00] <xtknight> the cd that is.  not to mention today's updates
[04:00] <anon32> (thus the beauty of network upgrades)
[04:00] <kavon> SO HOW DOES I REPORT BUG?
[04:00] <anon32> !caps
[04:00] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:01] <kavon> orly?
[04:01] <tehk> kavon, use launchpad.com
[04:01] <kavon> seriously though, i can't find a way to submit kubuntu bug
[04:01] <kavon> :z that only has ubuntu... i think this is a kubuntu bug.
[04:01] <Kousotu> is bug reporting on?
[04:01] <kavon> the kde clock is messed up
[04:01] <kavon> :o lets turn that on
[04:01] <anon32> they use the same launchpad
[04:01] <Kousotu> ol
[04:02] <anon32> file it under the appropriate kde package
[04:02] <Kousotu> anon32: don't mean HE has it on
[04:02] <anon32> hmm?
[04:02] <tehk> kavon, what anon32 said + kubuntu is ubuntu.
[04:03] <kavon> oh, so i can file a bug with the kubuntu clock in kde and its all good?
[04:03] <anon32> yeh
[04:03] <kavon> ok cool, launchpad.com away!
[04:03] <kavon> o it seems to be .net
[04:12] <Kousotu> how do you install beryl?
[04:13] <anon32> you don't, beryl is dead software
[04:14] <Kousotu> lol
[04:14] <Kousotu> then how do I get the fancy efects?
[04:14] <anon32> compiz
[04:14] <anon32> should be under system -> prefs -> appearance -> effects
[04:14] <DanaG> Compiz + 'za' == yum.
[04:14] <DanaG> compizza
[04:14] <anon32> lol
[04:15] <DanaG> I'd like to see somebody make a theme that plays on compiz-pizza.
[04:16] <Kousotu> ?
[04:17] <Paddy_EIRE> anon32: beryl is still faster and more stable than compiz-fusion
[04:18] <Kousotu> lol
[04:18] <anon32> oh? hmm
[04:18] <Paddy_EIRE> anon32: and well compiz is just plain
[04:18] <Kousotu> well how do you install beryl?
[04:18] <anon32> apt-get install beryl probably
[04:18] <Paddy_EIRE> !beryl | Kousotu
[04:18] <ubotu> Kousotu: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:18] <Kousotu> lol
[04:19] <xtknight> cool i guess Gutsy finally has proper DPI support
[04:20] <Kousotu> so I gotta joi another channel to install it?
[04:20] <Kousotu> lol
[04:20] <Kousotu> hy xt
[04:20] <Paddy_EIRE> Kousotu: well to get help with installing it
[04:20] <Kousotu> hey*
[04:20] <Paddy_EIRE> ;)
[04:20] <Kousotu> Paddy_EIRE: same difference
[04:20] <anon32> Kousotu, it looks like there are no maintained beryl packages for gutsy
[04:20] <xtknight> heh
[04:20] <Paddy_EIRE> err no its not
[04:20] <anon32> you have to compile it from source
[04:20] <xtknight> Kousotu, lots of trouble installing gutsy
[04:20] <xtknight> but i did it
[04:21] <Kousotu> lol
[04:21] <Kousotu> you couldn't get gutsy to install?
[04:21] <Kousotu> wow...
[04:21] <Kousotu> I had issues with T3, but not 4
[04:21] <Kousotu> lol
[04:21] <xtknight> not on this pc
[04:22] <Kousotu> I had t use "safe" for tribe 3
[04:22] <xtknight> actually today's updates will break me
[04:22] <xtknight> had to reinstall it after i updated
[04:23] <Kousotu> lol
[04:24] <Kousotu> that sucs
[04:24] <Kousotu> oply clneI had o reinstall after instaling the Mon
[04:24] <Kousotu> I had to reinstall after installing the monoply clone*
[04:25] <Kousotu> broke my Wifi....
[04:27] <Kousotu> !dvd
[04:27] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:27] <Kousotu> sometimes I love bots :)
[04:27] <Kousotu> most of the time I hate them though
[04:27] <Kousotu> lol
[04:29] <arooni> hey friends
[04:29] <arooni> with gutsy
[04:29] <arooni> is it ok to install updates?
[04:29] <arooni> or is it going to break stuff
[04:30] <ameyer> yes?
[04:30] <ameyer> I know, that's not a helpful answer
[04:30] <xtknight> arooni, well it breaks my machine
[04:30] <xtknight> i'd wait if i were you
[04:31] <Kousotu> arooni: tat would depend on the computer you're using
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> arooni: heh.... if things get broken.. its  a bug... that what you are supposed to be testiong for. if no-one upgrades.. then there won't be any bugs reported, and it will never be reported
[04:31] <Kousotu> mine works fine, while xtknight's does not
[04:32] <arooni> um will i be able to install software like eclipse, xmms, beryl etc?
[04:32] <arooni> ruby, irb, etc?
[04:33] <xtknight> should be able to
[04:33] <arooni> when is gusty final?
[04:33] <xtknight> october something
[04:33] <ggilbert> October 18th, I believe
[04:33] <arooni> anyone rocking a t61 here?
[04:33] <Kousotu> lol
[04:59] <atoponce> i should probably be asking my questions here, rather than #ubuntu
[05:00] <atoponce> in mark shuttleworth's announcement, he made it seem like you could run ubuntu with 100% free software
[05:00] <atoponce> other than disabling the 'restricted' repo, how is this possible?
[05:00] <atoponce> is there another repository? or maybe just more free software drivers for hardware?
[05:01] <atoponce> iirc, he mentioned the dev team working with the gnewsense team?
[05:01] <ameyer> wouldn't surprise me if there would be a seperate gnuisance-style repo...
[05:01] <ameyer> i forget what they're calling the gnewsence clone they're releasing
[05:02] <ameyer> *gnewsense
[05:02] <atoponce> that who is releasing? canonical?
[05:02] <DanaG> I wish the 100.14.11 drivers weren't so damn buggy.
[05:02] <DanaG> They're the first to properly support hotkey display switching on my laptop.
[05:03] <ameyer> there's going to be a gnewsense-style version of gutsy, I just can't remember what it's called
[05:03] <DanaG> "Gobuntu"
[05:03] <DanaG> I think that's a really bad name.
[05:03] <ameyer> that
[05:03] <DanaG> Go == Mobile, right?
[05:03] <DanaG> Well, at least that's what I, and most logical people, would think.
[05:03] <ameyer> gobuntu should be the mobile version
[05:04] <ameyer> freebuntu/
[05:04] <ameyer> s/\//?/
[05:04] <atoponce> gobuntu, eh?
[05:04] <ameyer> I think the FSF said it couldn't be called Gnubuntu...
[05:05] <ameyer> commiebuntu?
[05:05] <ameyer> zealotbuntu?
[05:06] <ameyer> but gobuntu's a bad name
[05:07] <atoponce> i guess the question follows:
[05:07] <ameyer> at least when there's ubuntu mobile, or whatever they're calling it
[05:07] <DanaG> I mean, WTF is "Go", besides Mobile?  I can't see what else it would be.
[05:07] <atoponce> what's the difference between gobuntu and debian proper?
[05:07] <ameyer> wtf does the k in kde stand for?
[05:08] <atoponce> reading mark's blog, he states "It is ... a very strict set of restrictions on the licences of code and content"
[05:08] <atoponce> that sounds like the dfsg to me
[05:09] <ameyer> I think Debian ships not 100% free stuff to support certain types of hardware...
[05:09] <DanaG> Wowzer, dynamictwinview and compiz REEeeally don't get along.
[05:09] <arooni> um why does md5sum say my download of tribe 4 (torrent) is different than what lives on the ubuntu servers?
[05:10] <atoponce> ameyer: nope. the debian main repository is 100% Free Software
[05:10] <atoponce> the reasen GNU doesn't recognize it, is it's 'contrib' and 'nonfree' repos
[05:10] <ameyer> I thought their kernel had firmware and other non-free stuff in it...
[05:10] <atoponce> the 'main' repo, however, is entirely free
[05:10] <atoponce> ameyer: no. they were considering it, but voted against it
[05:11] <ameyer> well, Debian is uglier than Ubuntu by default...
[05:11] <ameyer> that's a massive achievement
[05:11] <atoponce> heh
[05:11] <atoponce> it's just clearlooks
[05:11] <atoponce> and it's not orange/brown... :)
[05:12] <ameyer> I think they're like blue and red, and it's... ugh
[05:12] <DanaG> I like the colors during the installer, but they're not there in the final install.
[05:13] <DanaG> I like the Ubuntu orange; I just wish the Metacity theme weren't so OMG-different from the GTK theme.
[05:14] <ameyer> debian's XFCE is awful by default
[05:14] <arooni> how do i format this: v* 4.7GB DVD+RW media detected.
[05:14] <naksha> hello folks.. I need to run a script when I get off AC power.. I don't know where to trigger it from.. can some one help me please
[05:14] <DanaG> Aieee, my cube is now broken!
[05:14] <naksha> i can't even find relevant documents
[05:15] <DanaG> It's all squished and stretched.
[05:15] <DanaG> Oh, and my water ripples are OVAL!
[05:19] <atoponce> ameyer: thx for answering my questions
[05:19] <ameyer> atoponce: honestly, I'm not sure what the differences are
[05:20] <ameyer> atoponce: I've never run gobuntu or a stock debian install
[05:20] <atoponce> np. i'm getting my new lappy tomorrow, and i'm having a real tough time deciding on the os
[05:20] <arooni> do i need to do anything special....... to get my alptop to boot from a dvd
[05:20] <atoponce> 1) 32-bit or 64-bit?
[05:20] <atoponce> 2) debian or ubuntu?
[05:20] <arooni> i .e. can i put the image of ubuntu on dvdrw disk?
[05:20] <atoponce> those are what are plaguing me atm
[05:24] <ameyer> 1) I'd say 32 bit unless you have a compelling need for 64 bit (as in >3 GB of RAM)
[05:26] <ameyer> 2) I say debian, but I can't really give a reason why
[05:29] <arooni> xtknight: u there?  is there a way to repeal your updates?
[05:29] <ameyer> there should be a question #3 though, what version?
[05:29] <xtknight> arooni, hmm?
[05:30] <xtknight> repeal as in revert them?  i tried installing a few select pkgs from my cd to fix it, nothing really worked.  i just reinstalled
[05:30] <arooni> xtknight: well u said updates screwed up your system..  1) can u elaborate 2) can you repeal them?
[05:30] <arooni> revert them yes
[05:30] <xtknight> arooni, you can revert them but it's not worth the time most likely
[05:30] <xtknight> arooni, my gdm wouldnt start.  it segfaulted even with vesa
[05:30] <arooni> oh noes
[05:31] <ameyer> noice...
[05:31] <xtknight> at least with x86_64
[05:31] <xtknight> didn try 32
[05:31] <arooni> u put on 64 bit os?
[05:31] <xtknight> yea
[05:31] <arooni> is it easy to migrate to 64 bit?
[05:31] <xtknight> for now, at least.  ill see how it goes
[05:31] <arooni> later
[05:32] <arooni> cuz i have core 2 duo
[05:32] <xtknight> arooni, it requires a reinstlal
[05:32] <arooni> hhhhhhhhhhhm
[05:32] <ameyer> I'd honestly go with 32 bit unless you need over about 3 GB of RAM...
[05:32] <arooni> i'm getting:  Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block _________
[05:32] <xtknight> me too
[05:32] <arooni> did i burn it too fastr?
[05:32] <xtknight> i just decided to try 64 again
[05:32] <arooni> when i insert new gutsy
[05:32] <xtknight> arooni, sr0 is some external drive
[05:32] <xtknight> remember you had to wait awhile?
[05:32] <arooni> xtknight: right but 'm scared
[05:33] <arooni> buffer i/o error
[05:33] <xtknight> eh
[05:33] <DanaG> My internal drive is sr0.
[05:33] <arooni> also... md5 checksum didn't match website (i dloaded from bittorrent)
[05:33] <xtknight> it's just cause sr0 doesnt exist i guess
[05:33] <naksha> forgive my language.. I need to know where can I locate the script that triggers events when on battery? I need this to run certain other scripts
[05:33] <DanaG> It's ata_piix.
[05:33] <arooni> what should i do
[05:33] <xtknight> no idea
[05:33] <arooni> reburn the cdrw
[05:33] <arooni> ?
[05:33] <xtknight> yea
[05:34] <naksha> etc/acpi/power.sh don't seem to be doing anything.
[05:34] <arooni> also.....  what speed should i have the dvdrw burned at
[05:35] <naksha> why does ubuntu have scripts lying around just to confuse people?
[05:36] <naksha> where can I find out how ubuntu works?
[05:36] <DanaG> Look in /etc/acpi/events.d
[05:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, here's another thing that 100.14.11 actually does add: hotkey display switching.
[05:37] <naksha> DanaG: there is no events.d is there one in your system? i'm on gutsy
[05:37] <DanaG> Oops, it's events (no .d)
[05:38] <naksha> where can i locate the battery event. I spend some time poking around in feisty untill I gave up.
[05:39] <DanaG> ACtually, ac.d and battery.d may be more what you're looking for.
[05:39] <naksha> I know I just wanna customize it
[05:40] <naksha> but the file named battery just links to power.sh which isn't even doing anything
[05:41] <naksha> power.sh is some leftover from debian or something..
[05:41] <naksha> I don't know
[05:42] <DanaG> Aah, I think when you switch sources, acpid executes things in /etc/acpi/{ac,battery}.d/ in alphabetical order.
[05:43] <DanaG> Perhaps making a new file in there, and chmodding it +x, may be enough.  Use the existing files for reference.
[05:44] <naksha> DanaG: I'll give that a shot.
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[05:46] (naksha/#ubuntu+1) DanaG: nope doesn't work
[05:47] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) Dang.
[05:48] <naksha> Where can I find advanced documents for ubuntu?
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh, another thing that can execute scripts on power-source change is cpufreqd.
[05:50] <arooni> folks i burned a dvdrw with the gutsy gibbon........... BUT when i put in cd ... bios went right passed i
[05:50] <arooni> and didnt try toboot from it
[05:50] <naksha> DanaG: how?
[05:50] <arooni> any ideas?
[05:50] <naksha> DanaG: and where?
[05:50] <DanaG> It's a package.
[05:51] <naksha> arooni: sometimes it takes a while for DVD's to initialize and find the tracks. On my comp, I'll have to pause to wait for the DVD to start spinning and then I let it boot
[05:52] <naksha> just my 2 cents or what ever your local currency is
[05:53] <arooni> naksha: do u disable other boot options
[05:53] <arooni> cuz mine goes right to hard drive
[05:53] <naksha> arooni: no i just choose the boot menu and not the bios. and wait for the DVD to start spinning and then hit enter
[05:54] <arooni> naksha: but boot menu?  by that point its too late isnt it?
[05:54] <naksha> arooni: no the certain bios has a feature to choose to boot from the cd, hdd, floppy etc while by passing the bios settings
[05:54] <arooni> ohok
[05:54] <arooni> not mine
[05:55] <naksha> or you could just hit pause/break key to pause the POST
[05:55] <naksha> assuming the DVD is readable ofcourse
[05:55] <shirish> guys is there a difference between -dbg & -dbgsym files?
[05:57] <naksha> and that you've burned the image as it should be and not as a data DVD
[05:57] <arooni> what does breaing the post mean
[05:58] <arooni> naksha: i burned teh cd image via gnomebaker onto a dvdrw
[05:58] <arooni> is that ok?
[05:58] <naksha> it depends, if you open you cd and you see that you've got an iso in it, you've done it wrong
[05:59] <naksha> but if you have a bunch of folders and files, you are possibly right
[05:59] <arooni> ok it boots now
[06:00] <naksha> ha there ya go
[06:00] <naksha> some bioses are stupid
[06:00] <arooni> now i hope i dont get this buffer i/o error
[06:00] <arooni> i burned at 1x
[06:00] <xtknight> arooni, which one did you get
[06:00] <arooni> xtknight: tribe 4 ?
[06:00] <xtknight> are you asking me? :P
[06:00] <arooni> no im not sure about what the subject is
[06:00] <arooni> 'which one'
[06:00] <xtknight> oh
[06:01] <xtknight> which iso
[06:01] <arooni> tribe 4 32 bit
[06:01] <xtknight> tribe 4 im assuming :)
[06:01] <arooni> even though i have core 2 duo yah
[06:01] <xtknight> let me know if it works
[06:01] <arooni> are u on feisty still>?
[06:01] <xtknight> i nuked all my OSes except for XP, redid all my partitions,  then i installed gutsy 64
[06:01] <xtknight> i have no feisty anymore
[06:02] <arooni> oh wowsers
[06:02] <xtknight> im counting on gutsy for now
[06:02] <arooni> me too
[06:02] <xtknight> but sort of in limbo tbh
[06:02] <arooni> my t61 pukes on fesity
[06:02] <xtknight> thought it would be more stable than it is now =/
[06:02] <arooni> does it crash often?
[06:02] <naksha> arooni: gutsy is much better than dapper and edgy during release IMo
[06:02] <arooni> oh my gosh
[06:02] <xtknight> i cant agree
[06:03] <arooni> is it ok if i dont have my cmp plugged into network
[06:03] <arooni> can this be done later?
[06:03] <xtknight> well im having problems with everything, like vmware, X, nvidia drivers, updates.  apport will start in infinite loops and slow down my CPU.  so i disabled apport, it was the only way to get X to start
[06:03] <arooni> instead o fhaivng it auto configured
[06:04] <xtknight> arooni, your network should work later on if that's what you mean
[06:04] <arooni> yeah
[06:04] <naksha> xtkingt: I was having hell lots of trouble when everyone was raving about the ease of use of ubuntu.
[06:04] <arooni> thats what i mean
[06:04] <xtknight> oh compiz (by-default) doesnt work either.  window decoratios missing
[06:04] <naksha> goes to show that opinions can be very biased
[06:04] <xtknight> well
[06:04] <xtknight> not really.  it works for most people
[06:04] <xtknight> if you have any special needs then throw "ease of use" out of the window for any distro :)
[06:05] <naksha> well and good
[06:06] <naksha> My hardware has nicely matured and that is possibly why I'm having relatively less troubles
[06:07] <xtknight> ya
[06:07] <naksha> arooni: how's it going?
[06:07] <xtknight> well my geforce 7800gt has had issues since Dapper that haev not been fixed
[06:07] <arooni> whats the name of setup program
[06:07] <xtknight> arooni, ubiquity
[06:08] <arooni> zomg it launches
[06:08] <xtknight> :;
[06:08] <xtknight> :p
[06:08] <naksha> xtknight: tell me about it.. ATI here :-P I don't run too much 3D so i'm kinda ok
[06:09] <xtknight> ubuntu has a hell of a time with video stuff
[06:09] <xtknight> everything else, actually decent to graet
[06:09] <xtknight> well wireless is mixed of course
[06:09] <arooni> wow
[06:09] <arooni> it got my montiro figured out
[06:09] <arooni> 1440x900
[06:09] <xtknight> arooni, lol ya me too.
[06:09] <xtknight> i was so happy when i saw 1680x1050
[06:09] <naksha> mine works flawlessly from day one. ipw2200
[06:10] <naksha> I'm the lucky few who's got no serious problems
[06:10] <xtknight> intel wireless adapters have good support
[06:10] <xtknight> my laptop's 3945abg is good.  broadcom bcm43xx w/ firmware is good too
[06:10] <arooni> yeah
[06:10] <arooni> this is defienitley the way to go
[06:10] <arooni> instead of a frankenstein os
[06:11] <arooni> with packages from two releases
[06:11] <arooni> folks should my /home partition be primary or logical?
[06:11] <xtknight> doesnt matter.  i always do primary until i cant anymore
[06:11] <naksha> have you guys noticed that it's really difficult to find documents on advanced stuff?
[06:11] <xtknight> naksha, ua
[06:11] <xtknight> naksha, ya
[06:11] <xtknight> but advanced stuff, such as?
[06:12] <naksha> I've been searching around for how to hook a custom script to power events with no luck
[06:12] <xtknight> oh boy
[06:12] <xtknight> ya debian stuff can be a pain
[06:13] <xtknight> docs are mostly outdated
[06:13] <xtknight> for other apps.  like they say do this and that, but this is for some really old version of debian, not the current stable one/sec
[06:13] <xtknight> etc*
[06:13] <naksha> there's like a ton of useless scripts scattered around that seem to do nothing. just there to confuse noobs
[06:13] <xtknight> lol
[06:13] <arooni> here it comes!
[06:14] <naksha> noobs like me that is
[06:14] <naksha> how do the devs know what they are doing?
[06:14] <xtknight> naksha, great question
[06:15] <xtknight> i view it like the ancient tribes.  just passed down thru word of mouth
[06:15] <arooni> oh noes
[06:15] <arooni> [errno 5]  input/outpu terror] 
[06:15] <xtknight> cuz there really is a lack of docs on a ton of things
[06:15] <arooni> faulty cd/dvd disk /drive/ et....
[06:15] <arooni> man its not easy
[06:15] <naksha> arooni: get the alternate CD.. thats easier and less buggy
[06:16] <xtknight> today's alt. doesnt work though
[06:16] <arooni> nakasha it takes me forever to dload
[06:16] <naksha> i've stopped using the live since edgy
[06:17] <naksha> I mean when ever they introduced it that is.. I've just tried it once and the partioner crapped out and died
[06:17] <naksha> arooni: how fast is your line?
[06:18] <arooni> naksha: something stupid like 1.5Mbit down
[06:18] <arooni> shard with 3 people
[06:18] <arooni> ugh
[06:18] <arooni> cant wait till my new 6Mbits all for myself comes thursday
[06:18] <xtknight> nice
[06:19] <naksha> you could download it overnight. 1.5 mbit will give u atleast 40 KB/sec real life
[06:19] <xtknight> it should be 175k/sec
[06:19] <xtknight> ive had good luck with ubuntu's servers
[06:19] <arooni> i want it now
[06:19] <xtknight> they have always maxed mine
[06:19] <xtknight> 6mbps~=768k/sec ;)
[06:19] <naksha> I've got an 8Mbit but througput is around half that and a bit more
[06:20] <naksha> broadband speed claims are in your face lies
[06:20] <xtknight> well i dunno, but ive had good luck with my isp's (comcast) claimed speeds
[06:21] <naksha> broadband in the UK sucks then
[06:21] <xtknight> comcast cant do anything about it if the web server is slow
[06:21] <xtknight> ah
[06:21] <naksha> logical conclusion
[06:21] <xtknight> maybe
[06:22] <naksha> comcast started throttling bittorrent
[06:22] <naksha> was on digg
[06:22] <arooni> bastards
[06:22] <xtknight> ya at least for some ppl
[06:22] <naksha> no body gives a fsck in the UK
[06:22] <naksha> download as much as you want, it's practically legal
[06:23] <naksha> although some ISPs throttle, azureus wiki has a good list of ISPs to stay away from.
[06:24] <naksha> bittorrent is legal as always I was reffering to questionable content that is :-)
[06:25] <naksha> anyways, I'll leave you guys at that, I've to go now.. TC
[06:48] <arooni> i used; dvd+rw-format -force /dev/dvd ... to format  my dvdrw... but now ubuntu doesnt see this disk anymore.... help!
[07:04] <d4rkmonkey> anyone know if the Xbox Live Vision camera works in Gutsy?
[07:04] <d4rkmonkey> or how to use it?
[07:16] <hylje> apparently no
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Anyone else lost Konqueror mouse gestures after upgrading to Gutsy?
[07:41] <arooni> folks ive burned the same tribe 4 cd several times, and had it fail in the same each time when installing.... does this mean its a bad disk?  or a bad ISO?  for instance, the md5sum is different than on the website
[07:41] <malnilion> That's odd
[07:41] <arooni> folks ive burned the same tribe 4 cd several times, and had it fail in the same each time when installing.... does this mean its a bad disk?  or a bad ISO?  for instance, the md5sum is different than on the website ... i'm downloading the alternate cd.... should i just this one instead?
[07:41] <arooni> OOPS
[07:41] <arooni> double post ;(
[07:47] <ubuntu> hey
[07:48] <ubuntu> make for gutsi to work brother mfc 820 cw
[07:48] <ubuntu> that is shame
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> This isn't the place for bug reports either.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> !bugs
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[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: If the md5 is different, the download is corrupted
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Burning it multiple times wont cure that, you need to download it again
[07:51] <arooni> understand
[07:51] <benanz1> anyone know why I don't get a bootsplash anymore?
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> benanz1: If there are errors during boot, usplash will shut down, so you can see them. And it's not unlikely to have errors in alpha software
[07:53] <benanz1> that's it.  It always drops to text boot at the point where the iSight webcam firmware loads (with an error)
[07:58] <benanz1> the brightness control keys on my MacBook broke with Gutsy, they get stuck at the lowest levels instead of going all the way up/down.  Is this common for others?
[08:15] <arooni> does 64 bit version of ubuntu speed anhything up?
[08:16] <tehk> Well
[08:16] <DanaG> I have 256 kilobit up, but if I try to use 20 kiloBYTES up, my downstream chokes.
[08:16] <DanaG> I have to drop back to 13 or 16 kilobytes up.
[08:17] <tehk> arooni, It does yet it will not be noticed by you. The extra bits lets some things (like timing) perform better
[08:22] <Eq|laptop> DanaG: that's about right..
[08:24] <arooni> help !  the alternate cd is messed up :(  it was intsaling fine then went dark for a second
[08:24] <arooni> and then screen redrew and now i see this random box which is garbled
[08:24] <arooni> bu tlooks like installation is continuing
[08:49] <arooni> fokls
[08:49] <arooni> i ran the xserver reconfig
[08:49] <arooni> but i can only get max resolution 1024x7689
[08:49] <arooni> 768
[08:49] <ameyer> that's like the ultimate non-widescreen
[08:50] <arooni> i know its killer bad
[08:50] <ameyer> something along the lines of 1x7
[08:50] <arooni> i want 1440 x 900
[08:50] <ameyer> arooni: are you sure your monitor, and to a lesser extent, video card can do anything above 1024x768?
[08:51] <arooni> ameyer: definitely; lcd supports 1440x900
[08:51] <arooni> ameyer: i was getting it on vista
[08:51] <ameyer> (and xorg configuration can be a real b**** sometimes)
[08:51] <arooni> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_%28Gutsy_Gibbon%29_Tribe_4_on_a_ThinkPad_T61
[08:53] <ameyer> it's the one time I've wished I was still running Windows...
[08:53] <arooni> ameyer: any suggestions?
[08:53] <ameyer> arooni: not really
[08:57] <ameyer> I wish I could help, but I have no idea about coaxing linux into doing widescreen
[08:57] <Hobbsee> you didnt mention which video card, or anything..
[08:58] <ameyer> if it's intel, it might require 915resolution
[08:58] <ameyer> (Although allegedly the new intel driver doesn't need that)
[09:06] <Kousotu> anyone able to have with VMware?
[09:11] <Kousotu> anyone able to have with VMware?
[09:26] <Kousotu> anyone able to help with VMware?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> what about it?
[09:31] <Assid> hahaaa
[09:32] <Assid> Hobbsee: you ever mapped your linux ext3  as vmware partition available to windows?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> still absolutely nowhere near useful enough to start answering decently, but....
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Assid: nope, i tend to use explore2fs for that kind of thing
[09:33] <Assid> probably a good way to tell someone .. find your vmware books.. and keep it ready. here comes my quesition
[09:33] <Hobbsee> although i know there's a windows driver for it too
[09:33] <Hobbsee> may be more suited to #vmware
[09:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: is there a way to see what values are in $LD_LIBRARY_PATH as one can see in $PATH by doing echo $PATH
[09:35] <Hobbsee> shirish: no idea, id' google
[09:35] <shirish> Hobbsee: I tried doing echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH but that does not give anything :(
[09:44] <Jazon> hihi
[09:44] <Jazon> so, just to report....
[09:45] <Jazon> after upgrading via sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I am very very pleased to say that Gutsy is working wonderfully on my Nec i-Select Laptop :-)
[09:47] <Jazon> I had to apt-get -f install a few times, and there wan a bit of a glitch re: korganizer (I had to: dpkg -r korganizer || apt-get -f install) but other than that, things went surprisingly well
[09:48] <Kousotu> wb Hobbsee
[09:48] <Kousotu> wow, a min on the dot lol
[09:49] <Hobbsee> ty
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Jazon: what was up with korganiser?  that should work now, i thought
[09:50] <Kousotu> Hobbsee you ever used VMware?
[09:50] <Jazon> Hobbsee: there was a conflict with a dependancy  (I did this last night)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> only virtualbox
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Jazon: more info?
[09:50] <Jazon> looking back to see if i still have it.
[09:50] <Jazon> is this channel logged?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:51] <Hobbsee> !logs
[09:51] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[09:51] <AhDiCt3D> Can someone help me real quick i think i found a bug in the wifi of Kubuntu Gutsy, if not can someone assist? I seem to get fast speed then have wifi drop down to something like baud speed then go back up, anything anyone knows how to fix?
[09:51] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: for some reasonmine wants to hate me. it won't stay in oe window
[09:51] <Kousotu> not unless I use the F11 one
[09:52] <Kousotu> any known way to fix that?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: weird.  like i say, i use virtualbox instead
[09:52] <Hobbsee> so i dont know on vmware
[09:52] <Kousotu> what's the difference between the two?
[09:53] <Jazon> heh
[09:53] <Jazon> good grief - are the logs served off a dial up connection??? :s
[09:53] <Kousotu> lol
[09:54] <Kousotu> logs are an invasion of privacy
[09:54] <Kousotu> lol
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: all ubuntu channels are logged.
[09:54] <Hobbsee> it should say that in the irc guidelines
[09:55] <Hobbsee> besides, it's a public channel - do you *really* expect every user here to never publish any record of anything that goes on here, forever?
[09:56] <Kousotu> lol
[09:57] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: I was kidding
[09:57] <Kousotu> mandriva has 148 updates? geeze....
[09:57] <Kousotu> oh..
[09:58] <Kousotu> is 5GB good enough for Ubuntu?
[10:00] <AhDiCt3D> Kousotu, 2GB minimum
[10:00] <Kousotu> good
[10:00] <Kousotu> I'm giving it 5
[10:00] <Kousotu> lol
[10:04] <Do``> hm :/
[10:04] <Do``> connection refused when updating :/
[10:07] <Jazon> Hobbsee: well the log for yesterday seems to be blank.  dunno dude, its in there somwhere (look for arkygeek)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Jazon: irc logs dont make good bugtrackers.
[10:07] <Kousotu> lol
[10:07] <Hobbsee> oh well, i'll hope that someone else picks it up, or that we do in our testing, and files it.
[10:08] <Kousotu> what bug?
[10:08] <Jazon> Kousotu: do you remember last night, talking to me about that conflict with korganizer?
[10:09] <Kousotu> um... I don't remember talking to you last night
[10:09] <Kousotu> lol
[10:09] <Hobbsee> if someone else finds it, i'd be interested in seeing it
[10:09] <Hobbsee> but someoen else can pull up those logs for me
[10:11] <Jazon> Kousotu: i was arkygeek last night
[10:12] <Kousotu> oh yea
[10:12] <Kousotu> lol
[10:12] <Kousotu> that helps
[10:12] <Kousotu> bear with me, I'm doing 10 things at once
[10:16] <Kousotu> last night we were talking bout NDISwrapper
[10:16] <Kousotu> lol
[10:16] <Jazon> Hobbsee: thats weird.... the 18th and the 19th in the logs are both size 0K
[10:17] <Kousotu> lol
[10:17] <Hobbsee> yes, fabbione was upgrading his machine that day
[10:17] <Hobbsee> well, around then
[10:18] <Jazon> heh
[10:18] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: ok to flood a bit?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: use a pastebin.
[10:18] <Jazon> rafb.net/paste
[10:19] <Jazon> for somw reason all my local logs are gone too... i must have deleted them by accident :s
[10:19] <Jazon> have them reactivated now though
[10:20] <Kousotu> [14:05:08]  Kousotu : arkygeek: well, my atheros (built in) never worked. but I use a zd1211rw driver
[10:20] <Kousotu> [14:05:24]  arkygeek : eh? did you try madwifi-ng
[10:21] <Jazon> arkygeek == me !
[10:21] <Kousotu> ext
[10:21] <Kousotu> etc*
[10:21] <Jazon> i gave a url to errors at rafb.net
[10:21] <Kousotu> that's wht we were talkin bout last night
[10:21] <Jazon> yes
[10:21] <Jazon> so in there somewhere....
[10:22] <Kousotu> [14:39:19]  arkygeek : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828
[10:22] <Jazon> Hobbsee: http://rafb.net/p/uy2S6m56.html
[10:22] <Kousotu> [14:51:23]  arkygeek : http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[10:22] <Kousotu> [14:51:45]  arkygeek : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/
[10:23] <Kousotu> that's all the URLs I saw
[10:23] <Kousotu> oh.. hobb's got ya covered
[10:23] <Kousotu> lol
[10:23] <Kousotu> e.. nvm
[10:23] <Kousotu> er*
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Jazon: oh, hmm.  and this was yesterday?
[10:25] <Jazon> Kousotu: thx though - i thought of checking in the history of my browser
[10:25] <Kousotu> I don't have it from yesterday
[10:25] <Kousotu> but I might no havebeen ere
[10:26] <Jazon> Hobbsee: yes, 16:22
[10:26] <Jazon> http://rafb.net/p/vdc2Xr16.html
[10:26] <Hobbsee> darn, ok
[10:26] <Jazon> 08/19/2007 16:22
[10:27] <Kousotu> 9am there? Where are you?
[10:27] <Kousotu> lol
[10:30] <Jazon> liverpool uk
[10:30] <Jazon> you?
[10:30] <Kousotu> Indiana USA
[10:30] <Kousotu> lol
[10:30] <Jazon> heh - you are up late
[10:30] <Jazon> :P
[10:30] <Kousotu> 03:30:39 20/08/2007
[10:30] <Kousotu> you know it :)
[10:31] <Kousotu> I'll be up till 4 or 5
[10:31] <Kousotu> lol
[10:31] <Kousotu> Mandriva needs to update..
[10:31] <Kousotu> oh.
[10:32] <Kousotu> anyone know what distro it's based off of? (courious)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: i expect google would, if it's based off one at all.
[10:39] <Jazon> Hobbsee: was that enough info to be of use?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Jazon: yeah, thanks
[10:39] <Jazon> (I have to get to work)  -- I put gutsy on my prodn box :P
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Jazon: if you could file a bug on it, it'd be even better.  *g*
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Jazon: ah yes, brave person
[10:39] <Jazon> np.  what is the url for the bug reporrting?
[10:40] <Jazon> !bugs
[10:40] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:40] <Jazon> heh
[10:40] <Hobbsee> the source package is kdepim
[10:44] <Kousotu> brave? lol
[10:44] <Jazon> Hobbsee: it is reported as fixed #119664  do i make a new one?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> bug 119664
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119664 in kdepim "Kubuntu upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy failed due to conflicting file in kdepimlibs" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119664
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Jazon: oh, hmmm.  nah, it's OK
[10:44] <Jazon> so just leave it then Hobbsee?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Jazon: yeah
[10:45] <Jazon> Hobbsee: ok mate.
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: for running only gutsy?  yes.
[10:46] <Kousotu> I've been runing gutst a while now lol
[10:46] <Hobbsee> but as your only machine?
[10:46] <Kousotu> dual with XP
[10:46] <Hobbsee> oh, meh
[10:46] <Jazon> Hobbsee: you got it reported alread lol
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Jazon: hm?
[10:46] <Kousotu> lol
[10:47] <Jazon> It appears that this is not fixed - another user has found this......
[10:47] <Jazon> ;)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Jazon: i just marked it as reopened.
[10:47] <Jazon> yeah, i see
[10:47] <Hobbsee> it was supposed to be fixed in ubuntu7 which is what you just upgraded to
[10:49] <Jazon> ok, well, thx for everything!
[10:50] <Hobbsee> ?
[10:52] <AhDiCt3D> How do i stop kdm  XWindows?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:52] <Kousotu> Jazon: how can you be up at 9am?
[10:52] <Kousotu> lol
[10:52] <hylje> why not?
[10:52] <Jazon> i was up at 7am   why?
[10:52] <hylje> i got up at sometime after six
[10:57] <Kousotu> I never wake up till after 1pm
[10:57] <Kousotu> lol
[10:57] <mukiex> My installer crashes and then doesn't run anymore.
[10:57] <mukiex> It crashes when I try to set up my partitions manually.
[10:57] <AhDiCt3D> How would i use envy under Gutsy?
[10:57] <mukiex> Is there a way around this?
[10:57] <mukiex> AhDiCt3D : There's a workaround, gimme a sec.
[10:57] <Kousotu> mukiex: try using the "safe" option
[10:57] <mukiex> Kousotu : The livecd runs just fine, I'm using it now.
[10:57] <mukiex> But the install prog crashes and doesn't run a 2nd time.
[10:57] <mukiex> And I am in safe mode, if you meant the graphics one.
[10:57] <Kousotu> yea
[10:57] <mukiex> Yeah, I'm in it. No luck.
[10:57] <mukiex> I even removed a drive. No go.
[10:57] <Jordan_U> !envy | AhDiCt3D
[10:57] <ubotu> AhDiCt3D: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:57] <mukiex> The installer is still there, just hung.
[10:57] <Kousotu> ok... have you reboted the system since your last attempt?
[10:57] <Jordan_U> mukiex, mukiex, Have you checked to see if there is a bug already filed ?
[10:57] <mukiex> Jordan_U : The restricted manager didn't work with the GeForce 86/5/4/3xx series, so envy is generally the only option we have.
[10:58] <mukiex> Can I download a text installer?
[10:58] <AhDiCt3D> Jordan_U, How do i install the driver then?
[10:58] <mukiex> You mean bug 118853?
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118853 in ubiquity "installer crashes during partitioning" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118853
[10:58] <Jordan_U> mukiex, No, you can install the driver from Nvidia.com the normal way
[10:58] <Kousotu> mukiexL yes
[10:58] <mukiex> AhDiCt3D : Which video card do you have?
[10:58] <Kousotu> I'll get you a link if you want it onw
[10:58] <Kousotu> now*
[10:59] <AhDiCt3D> mukiex it has a sticker on it saying GeForce 8600MGT 256MB its a laptop card
[10:59] <mukiex> Whoopty do, no workaround, no information whatsoever except for a CONFIRMATION of the bug. Yay, it exists. Isn't that terribly helpful?
[10:59] <Jordan_U> mukiex, AhDiCt3D https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[11:00] <Jordan_U> mukiex, Can you link to the bug? Has it been set as confirmed yet and if not can you confirm it?
[11:01] <mukiex> Mine is different; all I did was reassign a partition, the whole installer crashes, and it doesn't restart ever again.
[11:01] <Kousotu> mukiex: [03:56:42]  Kousotu : ok... have you reboted the system since your last attempt?
[11:02] <Kousotu> you never answered me
[11:02] <mukiex> Yes.
[11:02] <mukiex> Sorry, missed it.
[11:02] <mukiex> I have.
[11:03] <Kousotu> hm...
[11:03] <Kousotu> odd..
[11:03] <Kousotu> mine usually had a few issues but cleared up after a few boots
[11:04] <mukiex> If I try re-running it with the terminal, I get "Ubiquity is already running"
[11:04] <Kousotu> use the oposite commeand on it?
[11:04] <Jordan_U> mukiex, Try running "sudo killall ubiqity"
[11:04] <Kousotu> tell it to stop
[11:05] <Kousotu> Jordan_U: I'm glad you know the system
[11:05] <mukiex> coo =3
[11:05] <Kousotu> I sure don't
[11:05] <Kousotu> lol
[11:05] <mukiex> Thanks =3
[11:05] <Kousotu> :@
[11:05] <Kousotu> ok, 'll stop spamming now
[11:05] <Jordan_U> mukiex, Np, You still might want to start it from a terminal so you can see any errors as they happen
[11:05] <Kousotu> lol
[11:06] <mukiex> Cool, doing so
[11:07] <mukiex> It's hanging, no error messages
[11:07] <mukiex> I'm updating ubiquity
[11:11] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: rpm is Redat, right?
[11:11] <Jordan_U> mukiex, I assume you started it with gksu ?
[11:11] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, Yes
[11:11] <Kousotu> ok, looks like it'sredhat based then
[11:11] <Kousotu> lol
[11:11] <Kousotu> it's downloading rpms
[11:11] <mukiex> Same as the desktop shortcut =3
[11:11] <mukiex> Seems to be working now
[11:11] <Jordan_U> Kousotu, What is ?
[11:11] <Kousotu> Madriva
[11:12] <Kousotu> mandriva*
[11:12] <Kousotu> so much easier to manage
[11:13] <kakaruto> whats new in "Gutsy Gibbon"?
[11:13] <mukiex> better res detection =3
[11:14] <Eq|work> a lot of stuff.
[11:14] <kakaruto> is there a website that list the new features for "Gutsy Gibbon"?
[11:14] <Jordan_U> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[11:14] <kakaruto> ok
[11:15] <Jordan_U> There is also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy but know that most of the things ( even the high importance ones ) will *NOT* make it into the release in general
[11:16] <Hobbsee> well, the statuses make that kind of obvious
[11:17] <Hobbsee> as in, a whole lot of them are already there
[11:22] <AhDiCt3D> !nvidia
[11:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:24] <mukiex> Actually, Jordan_U, even if you don't run envy, it's usually a good idea to install it, because its dependencies happen to be the same as the packages needed to manually install the Nvidia driver in the first place ;)
[11:26] <Jordan_U> mukiex, But if you follow the official howto it tells you exactly what packages you need :)
[11:26] <mukiex> But installing envy's easier ;)
[11:26] <mukiex> 'cause guides rarely give you a single apt-get for reasons I'll never understand ^_^
[11:26] <Jordan_U> Than copying and pasting one line ?
[11:26] <Kousotu> lol
[11:27] <mukiex> Or they're usually missing that one building/kernel/whatever package that has me pulling me hair. =3
[11:27] <Jordan_U> mukiex, That is because you are following instructions from joe idiots blog most likely :)
[11:27] <Jordan_U> mukiex, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[11:27] <mukiex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[11:28] <mukiex> More than one line ;)
[11:28] <Jordan_U> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` one line to get the dependencies :)
[11:28] <mukiex> In fact, there's 3 apt-get lines in that guide when they only needed one =3
[11:29] <Jordan_U> No, there aren't
[11:29] <mukiex> Plus I'm not sure editing xorg.conf is as, umm, stable in gutsy as it was in feisty.
[11:29] <mukiex> Maybe it's the xandr 1.2 stuff, but I've been really wary about touching that file.
[11:30] <mukiex> If envy is really that bad, I think I'll just wait 'till restricted is compatible w/ it
[11:30] <Jordan_U> mukiex, The linux-source is almost never needed, so why should they put it in the same line and have everyone install it?
[11:31] <Jordan_U> mukiex, I don't know if envy is really that bad or not, but doing it "manually" is really not that hard.
[11:31] <Kousotu> jordan: effects
[11:32] <Kousotu> when you get a chance
[11:32] <mukiex> I've heard that manually is not that hard, several times.
[11:32] <mukiex> And in most scenarios, I agree.
[11:32] <mukiex> I build a lot of stuff.
[11:33] <mukiex> But graphics card driver land is a really scary place.
[11:33] <mukiex> The main dangers I've dealt with in Envy happen to also show up by manually installing the driver.
[11:33] <mukiex> That is, that it's really hard to *uninstall* the driver and get my integrated card working again.
[11:34] <mukiex> You make one mistake in graphics driver land, and you'll never see hardware accellerated mesa ever again.
[11:35] <mukiex> It's really agrivating how bad for open source closed drivers are >_<
[11:35] <mukiex> They're too deeply embedded for something system devs have ZERO access to.
[11:44] <mukiex> CRAP, restricted manager STILL doesn't recognize my vid card. The driver's been out for *two months* >_<
[11:45] <MacSlow> mukiex, what card?
[11:45] <mukiex> GeForce 8600
[11:45] <kylem> did you file a bug?
[11:46] <mukiex> brb
[12:04] <MukiEX> choco rain! =3
[12:36] <Jazon> hihi
[12:37] <Jazon> quick question... i know about uname command, but what do i type in to see all the details of the ubuntu version i am currently running?  (I saw it somewhere, but be damned if i can find it again! :s)
[12:37] <Jazon> cat something or other
[12:37] <Jazon> ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> lsb_release -a
[12:37] <Jazon> :D
[12:38] <Jazon> Hobbsee: you're a fountain of knowledge!
[12:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:38] <Jazon> thx Hobbsee (I wanted to prove to a mate I upgraded)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:39] <Jazon> Hobbsee: where can I rave about my success with gutsy?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> the forums
[12:39] <Jazon> ok, will do
[12:39] <Jazon> ttyl
[12:40] <Assid> hrmm
[12:40] <Assid> any of you guys played with the likes of ext4 ?
[12:42] <Kousotu> it exists?
[12:42] <Kousotu> where?
[12:45] <Trewas> "The ext4 development branch has now been integrated into the mainline since kernel 2.6.19."
[12:46] <Trewas> but afaik it is still quite incomplete and the supported features may change
[01:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:28] <Do``> how can i install new daily builds of the flash(non-free) plugins?
[01:28] <Do``> to hopefully solved the browser freeze issues
[02:06] <rbrunhuber> Can anybody confirm bug 133394 please?
[02:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133394 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[kubuntu gutsy]  dpi resolution for screen is no longer recognised" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133394
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> thats the Open source driver right?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> rbrunhuber: ^^
[02:51] <khoa> ok so on gutsy, i'm having this weird problem, all local connections are blocked
[02:52] <khoa> i run a ventrilo server, and for some reason if you are outside my local network its fine, but on here, i can't connect to it
[02:52] <khoa> then just trying my router, 192.168.1.1... i get unable to connect, nor will it ping
[02:52] <khoa> not even sure how to begin troubleshooting this =\
[02:53] <Pici> khoa: sounds like your routing table might be messed up
[02:54] <khoa> hmm how do i start to fix that? or even figure out if thats the problem
[02:55] <Pici> khoa: The command is `route` You'll have to check the manpage on how to change it, I dont know off the top of my head.  Your default gateway should be your router's ip address.
[02:56] <khoa> it is
[02:56] <khoa> says default 192.168.1.1
[02:56] <khoa> even though i am unable to ping it even
[02:57] <khoa> however there is 2 defaults
[02:57] <khoa> 1 is eth1 the other is eth0
[02:57] <khoa> everything else is the same
[03:15] <kondeDrakul> hello
[03:17] <kondeDrakul> when in october will be Gutsy how i upgrade from feisty ?
[03:31] <Do``> kondeDrakul: there will be very detailed and easily to follow-through guides
[03:31] <Do``> easy*
[03:31] <Do``> they are available now, and you can upgrade now, too, but it's not recommended
[03:34] <loufoque> it is normal that gutsy is so unstable, only one month before beta?
[03:35] <roe> anyone else having trouble mounting an nfs filesystem since the last couple updates?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> loufoque: probably.  of course, depends on what your'e doing
[03:37] <Do``> i wouldnt call it unstable tbh
[03:37] <loufoque> Hobbsee: clicking on icons on the desktop
[03:37] <kondeDrakul> thanks at all
[03:37] <loufoque> Hobbsee: that seems to completely freeze nautilus
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hmm
[03:51] <xtknight> why doesnt autoremove remove other pkgs
[03:52] <xtknight> The following extra packages will be installed:  amaya-data libcurl3 libraptor1 libwww-ssl0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0..
[03:52] <xtknight> but autoremove gives only this.  The following packages will be REMOVED:  amaya
[03:52] <xtknight> gutsy amd64
[03:59] <miturburu> hi all
[03:59] <miturburu> I'm upgrading right now
[03:59] <miturburu> I think it broke, debconf and python
[04:00] <miturburu> it didn't finished but I hope I could fix it, shall I run apt-get -f install after reboot?
[04:01] <xtknight> ya python broke for me yesterday also i think
[04:01] <xtknight> right after that in my install it stopped and couldnt continue
[04:01] <miturburu> well, it hasn't stopped
[04:01] <xtknight> not sure what to do i dont think -f will fix it.  may have to wait for an update
[04:02] <miturburu> well, we'll see after I reboot
[04:02] <miturburu> what is debconf for?
[04:02] <miturburu> !debconf
[04:02] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[04:02] <miturburu> thanks you ubotu, :P
[04:03] <miturburu> is empathy working in gutsy?
[04:04] <Zdra> miturburu: yes
[04:04] <miturburu> cool
[04:08] <miturburu> another one, anyone tried epyphany with webkit?
[04:12] <miturburu> well, there goes dbus and half of gnome and x11
[04:13] <miturburu> all broken :P
[04:13] <miturburu> damn, the upgrade stopped suddenly
[04:14] <miturburu> update manager just closed, Shall I run it again?
[04:15] <miturburu> mmm
[04:15] <miturburu> I can't
[04:15] <miturburu> what do I do?
[04:15] <miturburu> I have a half finished upgrade
[04:15] <Assid> hrmm
[04:15] <SeveredCross> You already downloaded all the packages?
[04:15] <Assid> compiz + vmware = bad !
[04:15] <SeveredCross> If so, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:15] <miturburu> ok
[04:16] <SeveredCross> That should try and finish the rest of the setup.
[04:16] <miturburu> SeveredCross: I will do
[04:18] <miturburu> It remembers me depeche mode, "things get damage, things get broken"
[04:20] <SeveredCross> I thought we'd manage but words left unspoken, left us too brittle, there was too little left to give...
[04:20] <SeveredCross> Good song.
[04:20] <miturburu> yes
[04:20] <miturburu> I never liked depeche mode that much
[04:20] <miturburu> but that song is amazing
[04:22] <Lin> where can I download gutsy I cannot find anything in cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/
[04:22] <rsk> Lin: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[04:22] <rsk> u was not looking so much? :F
[04:23] <Lin> am I blind?
[04:23] <Lin> OMG.. yes there is
[04:23] <miturburu> severedCross: I can't run dpkg --configure, becouse debconf is broken
[04:23] <miturburu> It gives lots of sintax errors
[04:24] <Lin> ... damn.. I need more coffe
[04:25] <miturburu> says something about, too much errors and !quelan failed
[04:25] <miturburu> shall I force it?
[04:25] <SeveredCross> Bleh.
[04:25] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[04:25] <SeveredCross> I really don't know now.
[04:25] <SeveredCross> How did it manage to break debconf?
[04:25] <miturburu> I didn't update-manager did :P
[04:28] <miturburu> was the first thing it broke
[04:31] <miturburu> !quelan
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quelan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <miturburu> !queuelan
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about queuelan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <miturburu> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:35] <miturburu> it is a vicious circle
[04:38] <miturburu> it has no sens, when I try to reinstall debconf python fails complaining about archgenxml
[04:38] <miturburu> wich is a tool for uml
[04:46] <miturburu> well, I believe I need a new debconf package
[04:46] <miturburu> I think I will trow it all and reinstall
[04:50] <miturburu> can you get me the url to the iso so I can wget it I don't have firefox and don't even lynx
[04:50] <miturburu> and I don't have another machine right now
[04:52] <seezer> which one do you want?
[04:52] <miturburu> wll I really want to try gutsy, so tribe 4 will be nice, thanks
[04:53] <miturburu> ohh
[04:53] <miturburu> nevermind
[04:53] <miturburu> firefox is running suddenly
[04:53] <seezer> hmkay. :)
[04:53] <miturburu> Computers are amazing they just fix them selves
[04:54] <seezer> if only it would be always true.. :)
[04:55] <miturburu> which one is working I read about tribe 4 wasn't installing
[04:56] <seezer> can't say. installed my notebook with tribe1 and did a upgrade from feisty on laptop (also around tribe1 releasetime)
[04:56] <seezer> ermn.
[04:56] <seezer> s/laptop/desktop/
[04:56] <seezer> ..
[04:56] <miturburu> lol
[04:56] <miturburu> Well I'm downloading alternate
[04:57] <miturburu> I will try to upgrade from the cd
[05:00] <miturburu> damn ETA 22 hours :(
[05:00] <miturburu> I can't find the mirror list
[05:04] <roe> anyone else have problems mounting nfs partitions recently?
[05:06] <TheInfinity> roe: portmap installed?
[05:07] <roe> yup
[05:07] <roe> it was working fine about 10days ago, then I get a "wrong fs type" error
[05:08] <roe> I tried mounting it manually and using my fstab entry, the same share works fine on other computers so it isn't the server
[05:09] <roe> the only odd thing in dmesg is: http://www.pastebin.ca/664439
[05:39] <AhDiCt3D> Can someone walk me through installing the Nvidia drivers for my GeForce 8600MGT, Every time i install them it seems to crash and "cant open display" etc it worked on Feisty but not on Gutsy can someone help me?
[05:43] <ggilbert> AhDiCt3D: Do you have compiz enabled?
[05:43] <AhDiCt3D> ggilbert, no
[05:43] <ggilbert> Ok, then that'd rule out the problem I'm thinking of :)
[05:44] <AhDiCt3D> ggilbert, yeah ive had too many problems with compiz ill wait till it goes past stable hehe
[05:44] <miturburu> AhDiCt3D: check the display output number on xorg.conf, the installer geves me some problems with it. It should be 0
[05:45] <AhDiCt3D> where is xorg.conf i keep forgetting
[05:45] <miturburu> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:45] <miturburu> I'm looking the line for it
[05:46] <miturburu> lol, I think it's gone :P,
[05:46] <miturburu> I think this has changed from the last time I checked
[05:47] <AhDiCt3D> i see a BUS ID
[05:47] <AhDiCt3D> nothing else
[05:47] <miturburu> what's the output that xorg gives you?
[05:48] <miturburu> when you try to boot or run it?
[05:48] <AhDiCt3D> huh?
[05:48] <miturburu> "cant open display"
[05:48] <AhDiCt3D> i was in the text file treat me like a noob plz :P
[05:48] <miturburu> what else?
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> thats after i install the prop. driver for my card
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> it drops to the term
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> console..whatever u wanna call it
[05:49] <miturburu> it should give an error dialog
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> and kdm cant start
[05:49] <miturburu> before drop you to term
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> nope
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> u have to restart x
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> for it to work
[05:49] <miturburu> :S
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> then u do
[05:49] <AhDiCt3D> and it screws up
[05:50] <miturburu> paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[05:50] <miturburu> and drop the url here
[05:50] <miturburu> !pastebin
[05:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:51] <AhDiCt3D> pastebin.com/d11d07c86 i was doing it while u were tlkin thats my xorg.conf ill look for the log now
[05:52] <miturburu> ack
[05:52] <AhDiCt3D> http://pastebin.com/d4f4023eb
[05:53] <miturburu> well
[05:54] <AhDiCt3D> its trying to load glx and nv i think
[05:54] <miturburu> you should change the driver back to nvidia, wait for xorg to break, and copy that log
[05:54] <AhDiCt3D> lines 308-341
[05:55] <miturburu> have you configured xorg by hand??
[05:55] <AhDiCt3D> miturburu, no i havent i installed nvidia glx new and then did the cmd in the thing
[05:56] <miturburu> ack
[05:56] <miturburu> you have glx with nv driver, nv doesn't requieres it, nvidia does.
[05:56] <AhDiCt3D> i tried running the .run from nvidia but it needed to compile stuff and it didnt say what i need etc
[05:57] <AhDiCt3D> so i go gfx card "nv" drivier "nvidia"
[05:57] <AhDiCt3D> right?
[05:58] <miturburu> try to comment out dri module on your xorg, change nv to nvidia, restart X (sudo /etc/init.d {g,k}dm restart) and after it drops you to the term cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~/Desktop
[05:58] <miturburu> go back to nv and give me that log
[05:58] <miturburu> I'll go to eat something
[05:58] <AhDiCt3D> whats dri?
[06:18] <miturburu> look at the modules section on you xorg.conf
[06:18] <miturburu> there should be a module caled dri
[06:18] <AhDiCt3D> nothin dri
[06:18] <AhDiCt3D> and it hosed my system changing nv to nvidia
[06:18] <miturburu> ok, nv needs it, nvidia no
[06:18] <AhDiCt3D> now it wont even boot
[06:19] <miturburu> mmm
[06:23] <AhDiCt3D> You know its amazing what one word can do to muck up a comp :P
[06:23] <miturburu> jes
[06:23] <miturburu> yes
[06:23] <miturburu> to chars
[06:23] <AhDiCt3D> i changed back to nv
[06:24] <ccooke> So...
[06:24] <ccooke> What's the status of hotplug displays in xorg?
[06:24] <AhDiCt3D> ?
[06:25] <AhDiCt3D> How do i tell? :P
[06:25] <miturburu> I think it hasn't implemented completly
[06:25] <miturburu> It should be on the final xorg release
[06:25] <AhDiCt3D> miturburu, any idea when gutsy is offically released
[06:26] <miturburu> on october
[06:26] <Eq|work> it's in 7.3, or so we're told.
[06:26] <Eq|work> George Ilko has now left CFX - we are not to accept any change requests from him anymore.
[06:26] <Eq|work> People permitted to request FW changes: Pete Guyan, Chris Green, Matthew Knight, and John Bennet.
[06:26] <Eq|work> Changes by Niklas - accepted until October, but Pete/Chris need to be notified. gah
[06:26] <AhDiCt3D> I need it by Sept :(
[06:26] <Eq|work> damned clipboard
[06:26] <Eq|work> George Ilko has now left CFX - we are not to accept any change requests from him anymore.
[06:26] <Eq|work> People permitted to request FW changes: Pete Guyan, Chris Green, Matthew Knight, and John Bennet.
[06:26] <Eq|work> argjhfioaghdfuegh
[06:26] <AhDiCt3D> lolz~!!!!
[06:26] <Pici> paste....
[06:26] <Eq|work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:26] <Eq|work> god damned malfunctioning clipboard.
[06:27] <Pici> Well, as long as you didnt do it on purpose ;)
[06:27] <AhDiCt3D> lol
[06:27] <AhDiCt3D> :P
[06:27] <Eq|work> nope. it decided it wasn't going to copy the url to the clipboard. grrrr.
[06:28] <johnficca> hey I can't get Limewire to run
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D> OMFG Read this hahahahhaha https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze "    *
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>       ReleaseCriticalBug
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>     *
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>       SecurityCriticalBug
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>     *
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>       Exceptional circumstances
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>     *
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D>       Acts of God
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D> "
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D> woops srry
[06:29] <Pici> !paste
[06:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D> I meant to paste as one line
[06:29] <AhDiCt3D> in Linux it usually pastes as one like as Kchat or whatever that kde irc thing is
[06:30] <johnficca> I have all the java 6 packages installed but it says maybe I still need java
[06:31] <johnficca> I'm going to past bin it
[06:32] <johnficca> I just pasted it under johnficca
[07:22] <miturburu> hi all
[07:22] <miturburu> anyone knows how to fix a brocken debconf?
[07:24] <miturburu> I will have to wait 21hours to reinstall and in the middle I want to try to fix it
[07:27] <miturburu> !queuelen
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about queuelen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <Regel> any1 experiencing problems with msn-protocol?
[07:40] <Marco> does ubuntu have any firewall setup by default.  For some reason I can't run a server on port 6667
[07:40] <Marco> only localhost can access it
[07:41] <finalbeta> you are sure you are not just running it for the localhost?
[07:41] <finalbeta> you don't have firestarter installed?
[07:42] <Marco> no
[07:43] <Marco> I don't
[07:47] <Marco> finalbeta, hell, if I do "telnet 192.168.2.5 6667" it says connection refused
[07:47] <Marco> from the same machine
[07:47] <Marco> >_>
[07:47] <Marco> (192.168.2.5 is my local IP)
[07:48] <TheInfinity> Marco: nmap your own maschine ;)
[07:48] <Marco> I did
[07:48] <TheInfinity> and then fix your config (i think) ;)
[07:48] <Marco> 80/tcp   open  http
[07:48] <Marco> 631/tcp  open  ipp
[07:48] <Marco> 6667/tcp open  irc
[07:49] <Marco> my httpd is available from anywhere
[07:49] <Marco> it works perfectly
[07:50] <finalbeta> The server binds to 127.0.0.1 while it should bind to 0.0.0.0 or 192.168.2.5 or you have a firewall rule keeping access from it
[07:50] <Marco> ah, that's it
[07:51] <Marco> I'll make it bind to 0.0.0.0
[07:51] <Marco> did the trick
[07:51] <Marco> thanks a bunch
[07:51] <finalbeta> whooptie dooo
[07:51] <finalbeta> I'm off. have fun
[08:08] <instabin|work> is 7.10 going to have cnr
[08:14] <noah> I've downloaded the alternate-amd64.iso from cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current and have been having some problems.
[08:14] <noah> Where should bugs be reported?
[08:15] <noah> I also noticed cryptsetup wasn't available in the alternate CD. Any chance it's available in the -current server CD?
[08:25] <miturburu> well I think I fixed it
[08:26] <miturburu> I removed archgenXML from python/site-packgages and as far as it goes debconf is running fine
[08:35] <jkimball4> In network-manager-openvpn, is anyone finding that the cipher list is empty?
[08:36] <jkimball4> For me, it's been empty for some months, thus I can't connect to my corporate VPN with the front-end; I must use the command line openvpn client.
[09:24] <shirish> hi all, I put up this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/133684 can somebody look at it & lemme know what tag should I've used for it, its a new package which needs syncing, I guess from debian
[09:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133684 in openoffice.org2 "Add Sun Report Builder to OpenOffice.org " [Undecided,New] 
[09:31] <Pici> shirish: uvf was a few days ago
[09:32] <shirish> ubotu uvf
[09:32] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[09:33] <shirish> Pici: This I saw today in a mailing list today itself, hence came to know apparently debian has been packaging that report builder for sometime now
[09:35] <shirish> Pici: and actually my main interest is knowing what tag should be put to the bug-report, if we have the report-builder in ubuntu+1 that's ok, but atleast it should be in a proper queue
[09:35] <Assid> err something is wrong here
[09:35] <Assid> all of a sudden my machine starts hanging
[09:36] <Assid> then it works after 5-10 seconds
[09:36] <Assid> maybemore
[09:42] <pawalls> So init script output is being dev-nulled now? Is this a bug or a 'feature'?
[10:20] <Assid> stupid nfs
[10:29] <khoa> any idea why 7.10 would block off all local connections?
[10:29] <khoa> since installing, i can't even ping my router (192.168.1.1) and my ventrilo server works fine for anyone outside my local network, yet i can't connect
[10:30] <khoa> i think maybe its a routing table problem... but i can't seem to make any progress
[10:35] <Vorbote> khoa: first things first. Check /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, the output of ifconfig and route. If you want anyone in the channel to check the data, please put it ina pastebin somewhere.
[10:35] <khoa> ok will do
[10:37] <khoa> vorb: /etc/network/interfaces: http://rafb.net/p/fpKUIs57.html
[10:38] <khoa> Vorbote: /etc/resolv.conf: http://rafb.net/p/rRwdZz52.html
[10:39] <tretle> anyone know where i can find tribe 4 dvd .iso?
[10:40] <khoa> i think maybe having an eth0 and an eth1 is a conflict? previously on 7.04 i only used eth0 statically
[10:40] <khoa> tretle: you can find the cd here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[10:40] <khoa> i'm not sure about dvd...
[10:41] <Lin> there is any caveat to install tribe4 on qemu?
[10:42] <Vorbote> khoa: You may edit /etc/network/interfaces to comment out the second interface, if you don't use it.
[10:42] <tretle> i dont understand why its always so difficult to find dvd .iso's for ubuntu releases
[10:43] <Vorbote> then do a "ifdown eth1 ; ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" That should be enough if you are using DHCP
[10:43] <tehk> tretle, dvd iso? A cd sized iso can go onto a dvd
[10:43] <khoa> i'm not using dhcp
[10:43] <tretle> and boot?
[10:43] <khoa> statically
[10:44] <tretle> all i have is dvd's
[10:44] <tehk> tretle, if you burn it to a dvd it will work
[10:44] <tehk> tretle, it is no different. I have never used a CD for burning install disc
[10:45] <Lin> tehk: but nero didn't write CD images on DVD.
[10:45] <Lin> its a damn ugly program ;-)
[10:46] <tretle> so double click on the .iso as usuall to burn the dvd even though its a cd .iso or should I do something else
[10:46] <Lin> tretle: do you want burn it using nero, right?
[10:46] <tehk> tretle, yup
 tehk: but nero didn't write CD images on DVD. "this would be why i thought you couldnt"
[10:46] <tehk> You are not using ubuntu or some gnu/linux variant?
[10:47] <tretle> im using gutsy right now but want a fresh install
[10:47] <tehk> ok
[10:47] <tehk> so just click on it and use the standard burning system
[10:47] <tretle> tracker isnt working on the deskbar for instance
[10:47] <tehk> it will work fine with a DVD
[10:47] <Lin> nautilus write then very well.
[10:47] <tretle> and beagle traces stay in the deskbar even though its been completely removed
[10:47] <tehk> tretle, trackers deskbar plugin needs to be rewritten for the new deskbar APIs
[10:48] <tretle> i dont really like the new one
[10:48] <tretle> the old one was better if you ask me
[10:48] <khoa> Vorbote: ok well i commented eth1 and eth2 out, and re-enabled eth0, but i'm still getting Destination Host Unreachable when trying to ping my routher
[10:48] <tehk> Well I do not like that it had to be done -but it had to be done
[10:48] <tretle> integration into the panel was better, dont like another window popping up to search
[10:49] <khoa> router* ... its weird cause somehow i am hardwired into it, connecting to the internet with through it... yet i can't ping it
[10:49] <tehk> tretle, It was better looking is all - it was such bad code that it would be impossible to have a future with it in that state
[10:49] <tretle> eh, i blame the panel code
[10:49] <tehk> Panel code has nothing to do with it
[10:50] <tretle> something like a search api should be easillly integrated with the panel without any problems
[10:50] <tehk> It has nothing to do with the panel. It was the code in deskbar.
[10:50] <tretle> so if it was a matter of cleaning up code why redesign the interface
[10:51] <tehk> Because the interface was the reason for the bad code
[10:51] <tretle> if the code was bad then find a better way of achieving your goal
[10:51] <tehk> They did
[10:51] <tretle> new interface is a step doen if you ask me
[10:52] <tehk> They took a temporary fix with the window. Fixed the code. Now they need to find a way to replicate some of the old interface with working code
[10:52] <tretle> ah
[10:52] <tretle> temporary
[10:52] <tretle> that makes sense
[10:52] <tehk> Well hopefully
[10:53] <tehk> There are no plans for the next few release to try to regain some of the interface. There are still bigger issues.
[10:53] <tehk> It just sucks that it was done now instead of long before or after gnomes freeze
[10:55] <tretle> hmmmm now I have to find an app that compares to pidgin when it comes to features and uses the telepathy api
[10:56] <tehk> Yes! so do I
[10:57] <tehk> Pidgin needs a complete rewrite.
[10:58] <tretle> wh, they should just base it off telepathy
[10:58] <tretle> its a lot cleaner and better
[10:58] <tehk> Switch to telepathy - Sip and libjingle
[10:58] <tretle> been waiting for something like it for a long time
[10:58] <tehk> Voice and video
[10:58] <tretle> but there are no good telepathy frontends from what i can find
[10:58] <tretle> which is a shame
[10:59] <tehk> Hopefully skype dies and people move to googletalk or any other jabber/libjingle system
[10:59] <tehk> Banter
[10:59] <tehk> is ok
[10:59] <tehk> ugly
[10:59] <tehk> but looking good
[11:03] <tretle> iv been keeping track of banter alright
[11:03] <tretle> cant find a .deb
[11:03] <tretle> the mockups look nice
[11:06] <voidmage> on a livecd, how do i setup my lvm filesystem to access it?
[11:10] <khoa> how do i disable eth1 completely
[11:11] <khoa> its completely commented out of /etc/network/interfaces, yet its still starting
[11:13] <Kousotu> can anyone help with WMware?
[12:04] <rsk> how do u upgrade to gutsy the sane way?
[12:07] <Tm_T> by waiting the release
[12:07] <rsk> oh lemme rephrase
[12:07] <Pici> I was going to say that upgrading to gutsy isnt sane.
[12:08] <rsk> how do u update to gutsy the most sane way right now
[12:08] <Tm_T> rsk: by doing the way you know you don't brake it yourself
[12:08] <rsk> well i know there are a few ways of upgrading
[12:08] <Tm_T> I mean, if you have to ask it, I wonder why you like to have it ;)
[12:09] <rsk> cause i dont know what approach is the best
[12:09] <Tm_T> usually changing sources and then praying dpkg doesn't break
[12:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Question: Does enabling the broadcom restricted driver for wireless require internet access currently in Gutsy?
[12:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm trying to help my friend get ubuntu running on his laptop and he has broadcom wireless, whenever he checks the box and clicks apply it does nothing.
[12:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm thinking it's because he cannot retrieve the package files from the necessary resources
[12:44] <DanaG> I think it's broken.  Instead, you can install bcm43xx-fwcutter from the repos, while on the internet.
[12:45] <DanaG> Even if I have the file locally, apply still does nothing.
[12:45] <DanaG> But 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter' may work.
[12:45] <DanaG> (in console.)
[12:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok...  I'll see if I can submit a bug report to get those files installed on a system by default from the LiveCD.
[12:45] <FunnyLookinHat> right right.
[12:45] <FunnyLookinHat> I know it's probably not doable because of licensing
[12:46] <DanaG> But they should at least fix the script / app.
[12:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Definitely.  It's one of the better features that is touted by Gutsy
[12:46] <FunnyLookinHat> And strangely, feisty doesn't even load the LiveCD due to X problems on my friends Dell 5150 but it works fine in Gutsy...   he's the only case I can find with that though on the net.  Go figure.
[12:55] <alex_mayorga> hello there, what's the "official way" to get bluetooth GUI on gutsy?
[12:58] <alex_mayorga> anyone using bluetooth on 7.10?
[12:58] <DanaG> Look into packages with "bluez" in the name.
[12:59] <DanaG> I don't have any bluetooth devices, however.  Not even a receiver.
[01:00] <FunnyLookinHat> alex_mayorga, I used kbluetoothclient or something like that...  works pretty well.
[01:01] <alex_mayorga> Dana, Funny, thanks
[01:01] <alex_mayorga> is there a gnome way?
[01:01] <DanaG> !info bluez-gnome
[01:01] <ubotu> bluez-gnome: Bluetooth utilities for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 77 kB, installed size 392 kB
[01:01] <DanaG> http://bluez.sourceforge.net/
[01:03] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, thanks you know the bot better :)
[01:05] <DanaG> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:09] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, isn't bluez deprecated in favor of bluetooth?
[01:09] <DanaG> I don't know, actually.
[01:10] <DanaG> I wonder which will give me better performance on a Linux guest: qemu or virtualbox?