[01:15] folks when i start up X .... i just get black screen...... (t61 with intel x3100 and intel driver installled (2.10 version backported from gutsy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943) .... ideas? [01:18] nope, it's beyodn me [01:19] is there a version of the kernel for 7.04 that is newer than 2.6.21 ? id rather not build the kernal from scratch [01:20] arooni: yeah, there is a way to get a 2.6.22 from gutsy [01:20] nosrednaekim: can you tell me how [01:20] you need to build it yourself >_> [01:21] Arwen: which one should i download [01:21] 2.6.22? [01:21] can i backport it somehow [01:21] arooni: I lost the link... an I forget how... but google it [01:21] ... [01:21] backporting = recompiling [01:22] http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu <-- how to compile a kernel [01:23] no.. you can get it from the gutsy repos somehow [01:24] eh? and will it work is the question [01:24] if you want to do that using a series of apt policies, I can try and help you [01:24] how do i remove packages [01:24] that havve been uninstalled [01:24] but are still there [01:24] o.O [01:25] if you mean it still has conf files around - apt-get remove --purge package [01:25] basically i try to install buil-essential and i gett errors: depends: lib6c-dev but it is not going to be installed or libcc6-dev [01:25] how do i fix this [01:25] try running "apt-get install libc6-dev" and see what's the problem [01:26] Arwen: some packages cannot be installed.... the following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-0ubuntu14) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed .. E: broken packages [01:26] how do i fix [01:26] i need to recomiple kernal [01:27] arooni, oh, I'm guessing that you have a mix of gutsy and feisty packages? [01:27] Arwen: exactly [01:27] i tried to do this backporting thing earlier [01:27] to get my video working [01:27] now i realize i have to recomiple kernal [01:28] with a new version [01:28] so how do i fix [01:28] I need you to pastebin /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list [01:28] Arwen: prefernces are here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29 [01:29] Arwen: sources.list is too [01:29] ah, feisty packages have a higher priority than gutsy ones. Try apt-get install libc6-dev=2.6.1-0ubuntu1 [01:29] Arwen: should i just delete those preferences & such [01:30] no, they're important. Without them, gutsy packages would flood your system. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-092.200.popsite.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Jupiter] [01:32] Argh, I hate how one core panics upon resume from suspend. [01:33] one core panics? so your other one doesn't? [01:34] arooni, you know, you could just install gutsy instead of trying to maintain a franken-build [01:35] Arwen: i know maybe i should? [01:36] how easy is it [01:36] to move from a tribe [01:36] to a release [01:37] wha? [01:37] you mean from a release to the tribe, right? [01:37] hmmmm [01:38] well i mean a RTM release [01:38] i mean ... whe the final version comes out [01:38] dist-upgrading's success rate is inversely proportional to the amount of extra repositories you have [01:39] so, the more hacking you've done, the less the chance of success === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.38.192] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Jacob [n=jacobmp@ubuntu/member/jacob] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:39] That [01:39] so what if i stay at gutsy tribe 4 [01:39] until gutsy final comes out [01:39] will i be able to upgrade [01:39] Yeah, I get a panic on one core, but the other core stays perfectly functional. [01:39] if i havent messed up anything [01:39] yes, because they're both gutsy [01:40] in reality, if you install the tribe, it'll more or less upgrade incrementally each day [01:40] DanaG, that's really weird [01:40] I even get the caps-lock LED blinking. [01:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129226 [01:42] Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] [01:42] Note that that bug mentions an oops; my dmesg shows a panic. [01:43] hmm, I wonder if that would apply to a fake dual-core (HyperThreading) [01:43] perhaps I should go try [01:44] Arwen: i downloaded gutsy at home but i have: -rw-r--r-- 1 chasetoys chasetoys 726267904 2007-08-04 18:18 gutsy-desktop-i386.iso [01:44] arooni: In theory, if you upgrade regularly your system will be pretty close to what the final gutsy will be around Oct 4th [01:45] arooni, that's a CD image. You're supposed to burn it and then boot from it. [01:45] but when do dc3f9dba1f83fb7e47ddf7e2d377398b gutsy-desktop-i386.iso [01:45] thats not the same checksum [01:45] from the website [01:45] is that a bad thing? [01:45] md5sum gutsy-desktop-i386.iso [01:45] oh wait, wrong checksum? yeah, that's bad. very bad. [01:45] ok so i shouldnt useit [01:45] nah :-) [01:46] You should be able to pretty quickly fix that with bittorrent [01:46] if it's only broken in a few places, getting the torrent and making it save to that file will repair it [01:46] if it's totally broken, that's a whole other story [01:46] ahh ok... [01:46] how do i get a torrent ui [01:46] azareus keeps crashing [01:46] i dont want a command line tool [01:46] hmm? try ktorrent or bittorrent-gui [01:47] or deluge [01:47] or that [01:47] speaking of Azureus, it doesn't seem to work under gutsy (stock version). [01:47] hangs on opening a file [01:47] can i repair a file that was downloaded from HTTP? [01:47] or do i have to start from scratch [01:48] you can repair it [01:48] how do i launch bittorrent gui [01:48] i already isntalled it [01:48] dunno, I never installed it [01:48] ktorrent cradshes [01:48] man i'm unlucky [01:49] lol [01:49] arooni: If you just download the torrent file from ubuntu's website, it should launch it for you [01:49] how do i get deluge [01:49] arooni, type "btdownloadgui.bittorrent" [01:49] stupid naming scheme.. [01:49] http://deluge-torrent.org/ [01:50] or yeah, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/index.php?dir=ubuntu/feisty/0.5.4.1/&file=deluge-torrent_0.5.4.1-1_i386.deb [01:50] It might be in the ubuntu repository, but it's changing fat enough that I'd rather use the latest [01:51] fast === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:54] how do you repair ? [01:54] a torrent file [01:55] download the .torrent file, open it in your client, when it asks for the save location, point it to the broken file [01:56] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:11] Argh, somehow my fat32 partition became read-only. [02:11] How do I force it to not be RO? === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-70-104-178-39.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mildsauce [n=mildsauc@ip72-192-181-84.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xotl [n=chatzill@77-101-64-245.cable.ubr04.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dick-richardson [n=joshua@host-97-128-220-24.midco.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:27] mount -o rw -t vfat /dev/blah /mnt/blah ? [02:28] I used mount -o remount,rw /dev/whatever [02:28] anyone familiar with a webmin alternative? I'm ashamed to admit my command line skills aren't up to snuff compared with what I was doing in webmin :/ === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-142-11.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jshaffer [n=john@129.110.196.8] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:37] hey cool, amarok visualizations === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ion [n=ion@71-35-72-43.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:44] ...Until the GLX ones crash Xorg when run on Compiz under NVIDIA. [02:44] lol === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Arwen is now known as anon32 [02:57] folks quick q: is it OK if i use a nightly build of gutsy [02:57] or should i use a tribe on [02:57] one [02:57] you should use a nightly [02:57] cuts down on the number of updates you'll have to install afterwards [02:58] ok good [02:58] oh, but sometimes the nightlies are larger than 700MB. Watch out for that. [02:58] anon32: what speed to run it at? [02:58] run what? [02:58] the burn [02:58] 2x? [02:59] 24x? [02:59] if you only have one CD, as low as possible. Otherwise just try the max. [02:59] what do u mean one cd? [02:59] (if your filesystem/harddrive isn't borked and really slow) [02:59] only one blank [02:59] ahh ok [02:59] is it ok to burn to dvd? [03:00] yes, as long as your computer can boot them === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xotl_ [n=chatzill@77.101.64.245] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:05] here comes gutsy [03:05] man i hope this makes it better [03:05] for my t61 [03:05] heh [03:05] cua feisty is a nighmare === anon32 preferred the name "Gusty Gibbon" to be honest === kavon [n=kavon@pool-72-81-2-98.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:07] anon32: my disk is built on 7/18 [03:07] is that ok? [03:07] why not? [03:07] i dont know [03:07] whats the difference between later releases? [03:07] the packages? [03:07] more updated packages === chrisle [n=chris@e178111116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:09] anon32: its flashing _ on top left [03:09] oh there it goes i supose [03:09] heh, just tell me when there's a problem. Unix philosophy: if it worked, don't waste space saying "it worked". [03:10] ahhh ok [03:10] well color me suprised [03:10] cuz i see a GUI [03:10] yay? [03:10] this is a first for me with this lappy [03:10] ive been in cli hell for days [03:10] heh, command lines are fun. But being stuck on a black/white console for days woulda made my eyes bleed. [03:11] :-\ [03:11] yay arooni :) [03:11] oh yeah, time to go play around with the new 2.3 series GIMP [03:11] is anyone else having a problem with flash-nonfree with konqurer or is it fixed in the 186 updates i need [03:12] youtube crashes [03:12] ok so live cd is booted [03:12] hmm, it's got some new shiny icons at least [03:12] but i dont see the place for 'install ubuntu' [03:12] like there normally is [03:12] arooni, oh dear, that's not good [03:12] maybe i burned it too fast? [03:12] can't be [03:13] probably it's just filed under another location [03:13] try system -> admin [03:13] could not launch menu item: Error reading file: file:///usr/share/applciaiton/ubiquity-tkui;.desktop' unspported operation === flaccid [n=bob_sinc@dev.ionata.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:13] i think i burned it too fast :9 [03:14] anybody got cisco vpn client going in gutsy? [03:14] ie. compilation of the binary against kernel headers [03:14] arooni, hmm, maybe. [03:15] try with an alternate cd then? harder to mess those up. Or just burn it again/ [03:15] i will reburn [03:15] i want my GUI [03:15] lol [03:15] man [03:15] it looks good === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] is gutsy experiencing breakage now? my gdm seems to "backtrace" [03:21] doesn't happen here. go file a bug? [03:21] have you rebooted since the last barrage of updates? [03:24] last barrage? [03:24] I just upgraded today [03:25] i386 or amd64? [03:28] i386 === tomsku [n=tomsku@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe54fa00-250.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:31] ok it looks like nvidia-glx is a bit on the fritz, that's about the only problem for me === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:33] ioh dear [03:33] looks like i dont get option to install [03:33] :( [03:33] hey arooni [03:33] must be a bad .iso [03:33] they xtknight [03:33] that can't be good :-\ [03:33] gutsy daily has got to be broken today tho [03:33] try an alternate install? === allbert [n=allberto@60.52.12.249] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:33] the installer failed for me after python (the alternate noe) [03:33] damn and tribe 4 is taking FOREVER to downkload [03:33] or that [03:34] huh? [03:34] so what should i do? [03:34] safe graphics mode? [03:34] or ditch this iso [03:34] my internets is ridiculously slow :( [03:34] probably you're gonna have to ditch it [03:35] oh, you could try typing "ubiquity" into the terminal. maybe that'll help. [03:35] what's the problem? [03:35] and which cd did he try? [03:35] a nightly build [03:35] his install CD (daily live cd) doesn't have a link to the installer [03:35] from 7/16 [03:35] hmm [03:36] man [03:36] i cant launch any apps either [03:36] this is royall messed up :*( [03:36] ya im done trying dailys [03:36] arooni, my experience has been just as bad [03:36] every daily crashes like nuts [03:36] the Tribes seem ok [03:36] i have tribe 4 coming [03:36] in 3hours!!!!!!!!!!1 [03:36] hehe [03:36] are dailys the updates for tribes? [03:36] basically [03:36] so [03:36] :o i'm installing 186 of them [03:37] should i not run sudo apt-get update [03:37] from tribe 4 kubun [03:37] lol [03:37] I just upgraded from Feisty, worked out more or less :-\ [03:37] hmm [03:37] had to set a couple of policy rules, but it worked out [03:37] i havn't found any bugs besides this annoying clock problem in KDE [03:37] it won't blend :z [03:37] WILL IT BLEND? === anon32 ducks [03:38] where do you place Modelines? === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:38] under the Monitor section I think [03:39] ah thx === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:43] lol anon32 [03:43] just saw it ;D === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === iblicf [n=iblicf@123.114.114.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:50] is there a way to disable compiz in gutsy? [03:50] isn't giving me window decorations :| [03:51] system -> prefs -> appearance -> effects iirc === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:52] lol, I just turned those on... desktop corruption :-\ [03:52] ahhh thank you [03:52] (my desktop res exceeds my 3d texture size) [03:52] your desktop res=? [03:53] 2560x1024 [03:53] ah same [03:53] sounds like a (censored) video card [03:53] I'd like 3200x1200 but that's not gonna happen :-\ [03:53] well similar at least 1680x1050+1280x1024 [03:54] if i try to enable or disable Compiz effects my system just hard freezes [03:54] so im glad for my SysRq key [03:55] intel graphics? [03:55] nvidia 7800gt [03:55] well, the i810 driver likes hosing the system [03:55] half of the effects work, but no window decorations [03:56] the newer intel driver seems to not do it so far... [03:56] heh, compositebydefault :-\ [03:56] ya bad idea [03:56] yeah, what will you do when they don't work? [03:56] composite feels like "testing" to me every time i use it [03:56] and what better way to lose users than to make it broken by default on over half of all installs? [03:56] ya no doubt [03:56] but it's a great way to test compiz huh? [03:56] heh [03:56] at least compiz will get more stable as a result hehe [03:57] real problem is that composite won't ever get anywhere with the current driver mess [03:57] i wonder if they will use compositebydefault on LTS+1 [03:57] last I tried compiz on my ancient intel 845 graphics chipset, it worked fine [03:57] actually, compiz worked better than the various non-composite WMs [03:58] but the fact is that it doesn't work on a lot of setups [03:58] you should go with what's most likely to work, not what's most flashy or even fastest [03:58] well compiz totally crashes with the nvidia-glx driver in the repos. with the ones on nvidia.com it works but with no window decs (this is gutsy stock compiz). ive gotten compiz fully functional before [03:58] it's just that they cant get a version out there that works for everyone [03:58] yeah, I had it working earlier too. but then I added my second display [03:59] anon32, well my 2nd display works but only in separate desktop mode [03:59] but compiz can do effects over both [03:59] yeah, I don't have that much VRAM, lol [03:59] hehe [03:59] so has anyone else tried Gutsy daily alternate today? def. broken for me [04:00] the cd that is. not to mention today's updates === Kousotu [i=Invincib@adsl-68-79-30-188.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:00] (thus the beauty of network upgrades) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:00] SO HOW DOES I REPORT BUG? === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-249-71-134.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:00] !caps [04:00] PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too. [04:01] orly? [04:01] kavon, use launchpad.com [04:01] seriously though, i can't find a way to submit kubuntu bug [04:01] :z that only has ubuntu... i think this is a kubuntu bug. [04:01] is bug reporting on? [04:01] the kde clock is messed up [04:01] :o lets turn that on [04:01] they use the same launchpad [04:01] ol [04:02] file it under the appropriate kde package [04:02] anon32: don't mean HE has it on [04:02] hmm? [04:02] kavon, what anon32 said + kubuntu is ubuntu. [04:03] oh, so i can file a bug with the kubuntu clock in kde and its all good? [04:03] yeh [04:03] ok cool, launchpad.com away! [04:03] o it seems to be .net [04:12] how do you install beryl? [04:13] you don't, beryl is dead software [04:14] lol [04:14] then how do I get the fancy efects? [04:14] compiz [04:14] should be under system -> prefs -> appearance -> effects [04:14] Compiz + 'za' == yum. [04:14] compizza [04:14] lol [04:15] I'd like to see somebody make a theme that plays on compiz-pizza. [04:16] ? === arooni_ [n=chatzill@168.103.150.1] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:17] anon32: beryl is still faster and more stable than compiz-fusion [04:18] lol [04:18] oh? hmm [04:18] anon32: and well compiz is just plain [04:18] well how do you install beryl? [04:18] apt-get install beryl probably [04:18] !beryl | Kousotu [04:18] Kousotu: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects [04:18] lol [04:19] cool i guess Gutsy finally has proper DPI support [04:20] so I gotta joi another channel to install it? [04:20] lol [04:20] hy xt [04:20] Kousotu: well to get help with installing it [04:20] hey* [04:20] ;) [04:20] Paddy_EIRE: same difference [04:20] Kousotu, it looks like there are no maintained beryl packages for gutsy [04:20] heh [04:20] err no its not [04:20] you have to compile it from source [04:20] Kousotu, lots of trouble installing gutsy [04:20] but i did it [04:21] lol [04:21] you couldn't get gutsy to install? [04:21] wow... [04:21] I had issues with T3, but not 4 [04:21] lol [04:21] not on this pc [04:22] I had t use "safe" for tribe 3 [04:22] actually today's updates will break me [04:22] had to reinstall it after i updated [04:23] lol [04:24] that sucs === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-064.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:24] oply clneI had o reinstall after instaling the Mon [04:24] I had to reinstall after installing the monoply clone* [04:25] broke my Wifi.... [04:27] !dvd [04:27] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [04:27] sometimes I love bots :) [04:27] most of the time I hate them though [04:27] lol [04:29] hey friends [04:29] with gutsy [04:29] is it ok to install updates? [04:29] or is it going to break stuff [04:30] yes? [04:30] I know, that's not a helpful answer [04:30] arooni, well it breaks my machine [04:30] i'd wait if i were you [04:31] arooni: tat would depend on the computer you're using [04:31] arooni: heh.... if things get broken.. its a bug... that what you are supposed to be testiong for. if no-one upgrades.. then there won't be any bugs reported, and it will never be reported [04:31] mine works fine, while xtknight's does not [04:32] um will i be able to install software like eclipse, xmms, beryl etc? [04:32] ruby, irb, etc? [04:33] should be able to [04:33] when is gusty final? === roe [n=roe___@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:33] october something [04:33] October 18th, I believe [04:33] anyone rocking a t61 here? [04:33] lol === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-249-71-134.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nosredna_ekim [n=michael@03-149.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Frost^- [n=sweiss@89-138-161-69.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === atoponce [n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:59] i should probably be asking my questions here, rather than #ubuntu === allbert [n=allberto@124.82.119.235] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:00] in mark shuttleworth's announcement, he made it seem like you could run ubuntu with 100% free software [05:00] other than disabling the 'restricted' repo, how is this possible? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:00] is there another repository? or maybe just more free software drivers for hardware? [05:01] iirc, he mentioned the dev team working with the gnewsense team? [05:01] wouldn't surprise me if there would be a seperate gnuisance-style repo... [05:01] i forget what they're calling the gnewsence clone they're releasing [05:02] *gnewsense [05:02] that who is releasing? canonical? [05:02] I wish the 100.14.11 drivers weren't so damn buggy. [05:02] They're the first to properly support hotkey display switching on my laptop. [05:03] there's going to be a gnewsense-style version of gutsy, I just can't remember what it's called [05:03] "Gobuntu" [05:03] I think that's a really bad name. [05:03] that [05:03] Go == Mobile, right? [05:03]