[01:00] <troy_s> kwwii: Nice to see that you published some bits to the gutsy incoming page.
[01:00] <kwwii> troy_s: there will be more coming soon
[01:01] <troy_s> wholly crappers
[01:01] <troy_s> have you tried the new melt / etc mode in inkscape?
[01:01] <kwwii> if nothing else, it might show people what kind of colors we want
[01:01] <troy_s> all i can say is _wow_
[01:02] <kwwii> troy_s: no, but I saw the function - i used something similar in illustrator before
[01:02] <troy_s> kwwii: Actually, that was a question -- what are the odds that you could wrestle for some colour into it?  As in pump a pinch of those triplets we worked out decades ago.
[01:02] <kwwii> really handy for just drawing
[01:02] <troy_s> kwwii: It has roughen too.  Very amazing.
[01:02] <kwwii> hehe, funny enough I was just looking at the mail you sent me with the color palettes ;-)
[01:03] <troy_s> kwwii: I really think that in terms of the minute 'increments' (if you can call them that) that might be a very valuable one.
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: One further step towards something akin to a palette.
[01:04] <kwwii> yepp, that was what I was thinking too
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Also, what are the bits you are going to require for an included optional theme?
[01:04] <kwwii> no requirements at all
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: GDM / Wallpaper?
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Elements I was speaking.
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry.
[01:05] <kwwii> we need to get people contributing - I'll include anything that is halfway decent
[01:06] <kwwii> we need to reassure people that their work is appreciated
[01:06] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm... so where will this end up?
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: And people contributing is relatively easy if you can spec something up to the discreet componentry.
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: For example, with the wallpaper, to prevent the scattering of effort you could perhaps spec up several details that you want included and stamp a palette onto the requirements.
[01:07] <kwwii> anything that is not a "full" theme (gdm and wallpaper or more) will end up in an extra package called something like "community themes/artwork"
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: With that very clear 'don't step outside of this palette' rules.
[01:08] <troy_s> kwwii: So the question then turns to 'what is a full theme'?
[01:08] <troy_s> kwwii: As there isn't really a good 'artwork' gui to handle all of the bits.
[01:08] <kwwii> a full theme would be at least gdm, wallpaper and color scheme, I guess
[01:09] <kwwii> yes, giving a palette to stick to would make things harder at first for people, but better in the long run
[01:09] <kwwii> the missing gui functionality is the worst part of all
[01:09] <kwwii> because something that is not a total theme would only end up in the list of possible parts
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: I was also quite impressed that you took that particle smasher idea from ages ago.  It works well and COULD appeal to shuttlebutt.
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: He seems into that space / tech thing.
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: If I had to loosely describe it.
[01:11] <kwwii> yeah, he found my version a bit too reddish but I am still working on it
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: And if you provide say, three colours for the guys to work with you at least eliminate all the rubbish that people tend to poop out.
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: How the hell is it too reddish?  Jeebus h christ.
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: The palette is almost a must-have considering the ultimate judge.
[01:14] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt - he knows exactly what he wants - if only we all could understand that better
[01:14] <kwwii> I'll add some color stuff to the wiki page tomorrow
[01:15] <kwwii> time for sleep soon
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: he has no clue exactly what he wants
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: In fact, he tends to be closer to an amoeba than anything else.
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: When it comes to him weighing in on styles.
[01:16] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: Oh crappers
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: I forgot to mention, perhaps attach the breezy/hoary walls to show the people what you are talking about.
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: On the wiki page -- pretty sure they have no clue.
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: iirc bersace put them in the archives on the wiki
[01:23] <troy_s> kwwii: or at least one of them
[01:23] <troy_s> kwwii: probably a good 'update' to your original email.
[01:23] <kwwii> good idea, I was wondering if anyone even looked at them
[01:24] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't think so :)
[01:24] <troy_s> kwwii: But it certainly would help to steer towards something usable or generate decent ideas as 'spins' on that implementation
[01:25] <troy_s> kwwii: I wonder who did those earlier walls.
[01:26] <kwwii> one of them was a guy we paid to do feisty work, but he got somehow just disappeared after offering random crap
[01:26] <kwwii> and the other one was a guy who worked for the advertising agency we used to use (now we have a new one)
[01:27] <kwwii> well, I should be more on the ball with this stuff, but I am also working on several other projects at the same time
[01:27] <kwwii> I've talked to them about that though and in the future I will do almost nothing but desktop work
[01:29] <kwwii> I've got my eyes open for a few new people - artists, usablity, interface design, etc.
[01:31] <kwwii> anyway...time for sleep - see you soon
[12:11] <lapo> hi
[08:35] <lapo> hi
[09:29] <alex-weej> bonjour