[06:42] <cynics> @schedule shanghai
[06:42] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 21 Aug 06:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 23:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 23 Aug 04:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Aug 23:00: Screencast Team
[08:30] <blindrav1n> @scedule sydney
[08:30] <blindrav1n> @schedule sydney
[08:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 21 Aug 08:00: Forum Council meeting | 22 Aug 01:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 23 Aug 06:00: Xubuntu Developers | 24 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 28 Aug 01:00: Screencast Team
[09:57] <kraut> moin
[11:49] <PriceChild> @now
[11:49] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 20 2007, 21:49:47 - Next meeting: Forum Council meeting in 10 minutes
[11:50] <jdong> @arewethereyet
[11:50] <PriceChild> @no
[11:51] <PriceChild> steady!
[11:52] <jdong> @now
[11:52] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 20 2007, 21:52:40 - Current meeting: Forum Council meeting
[11:53] <jdong> gonna go get coffee... brb
[12:00] <Vorian> hello
[12:00] <Vorian> :)
[12:00] <MikeB> greets
[12:00] <bapoumba> hey
[12:00] <Vorian> short short agenda today :)
[12:01] <jdong> yes it is
[12:01] <jdong> MikeB and I are going to be the only two FC members present
[12:01] <jdong> is darkog present for the Ubuntu Partners Lounge?
[12:01] <Vorian> ok
[12:02] <Vorian> I haven't been able to get a response from him since the last meeting
[12:02] <jdong> @now
[12:02] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 20 2007, 22:02:11 - Current meeting: Forum Council meeting
[12:02] <Vorian> the agenda is as follows :)
[12:02] <Vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[12:02] <jdong> ok
[12:02] <Vorian> I say we remove that item until he turns up again :)
[12:02] <jdong> alright, agreed
[12:02] <MikeB> agreed
[12:02] <jdong> if anyone has his e-mail information
[12:02] <Vorian> I do
[12:02] <jdong> might be a good idea to hit him up via email
[12:03] <jdong> ok well, that was easy (tm)
[12:03] <Vorian> I have sent him 3 emails
[12:03] <jdong> I agree that we should take it off the agenda until he is reachable again
[12:03] <Vorian> done
[12:04] <jdong> ok, next item
[12:04] <Vorian> Loco Team Administrator
[12:04] <jdong> Loco Team Administrator
[12:04] <HymnToLife> Vorian wins
[12:04] <popey> jdong wins here
[12:04] <jdong> :)
[12:05] <Vorian> quote
[12:05] <Vorian> The forum council has created a new position of LoCo Team Administrator. This person will handle all LoCo requests on the UbuntuForums. This is a 1 year term that can be renewed. To start this off the FC has elected Vorian since he was already heading up the LoCo section of the forums.
[12:05] <jdong> I'm all for it :)
[12:05] <Vorian> lol
[12:05] <MikeB> +1:)
[12:05] <HymnToLife> same here
[12:06] <bapoumba> +1
[12:06] <Vorian> :)
[12:06] <Rinchen> I can't vote but +1. He's done a good job for Colorado
[12:06] <Vorian> thanks Rinchen :)
[12:06] <Rinchen> I'm just telling it like it is :-)
[12:06] <jdong> this topic has come up on the FC mailing list and all councilmembers voted in favor, to my memory
[12:07] <jdong> so I think we can call it done and move forward?
[12:07] <Vorian> k
[12:07] <MikeB> yup, +1 across the board
[12:07] <Vorian> last item
[12:07] <bapoumba> congrats Vorian :)
[12:07] <Vorian> :)
[12:07] <Vorian> thanks bapoumba :)
[12:07] <Vorian> Members Signatures
[12:08] <Vorian> in response to this thread
[12:08] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=520487
[12:08] <bapoumba> images in signatures ?
[12:08] <Vorian> yes
[12:08] <jdong> ubuntu-geek had a comment to make about this:
[12:08] <jdong> >
[12:08] <jdong> > Regarding the member signatures and the use of images. The reason no
[12:08] <jdong> > images were never allowed is because we have enough to moderate and
[12:08] <jdong> > trying to clean up after children who decide to use unprofessional
[12:08] <jdong> > images will be a nightmare. Secondly, our server is taxed anyways
[12:08] <jdong> > serving up useless images is pointless and only causes slower load
[12:08] <jdong> > times.
[12:08] <jdong> >
[12:08] <jdong> > So my vote is -1
[12:08] <jdong> >
[12:08] <jdong> > Ryan
[12:08] <bapoumba> -1 here too
[12:09] <jdong> my feelings are mixed on this
[12:09] <PriceChild> They will be abused. We have avatars to express ourselves... why would images in sigs be needed too?
[12:09] <jdong> at the forums I am a part of that allow sigs, it is WIDELY ABUSED
[12:09] <jdong> gigantic images, ugly long banners
[12:09] <MikeB> I agree with UG, more graphics will use up forum server resource (disk space and bandwidth)
[12:09] <MikeB> people would abuse it
[12:10] <jdong> I am -1 on users uploading images to display on the signature
[12:10] <Rinchen> again, I don't think I can vote (Just a sub-forum mod) but I also say -1 for the resource and moderation issues already listed.
[12:10] <jdong> and I am much more -1 on users linking to other external images
[12:10] <jdong> because that can be catastrophic on page load times if their external host is down or slow
[12:10] <popey> but cant users switch off visibility of sigs in their profile?
[12:10] <MikeB> plus it could cause security issues for our friends visiting the forums froma Windows box
[12:10] <popey> (just a question)
[12:10] <popey> I am sure my profile has it turned off IIRC
[12:10] <PriceChild> popey, yes?
[12:11] <jdong> popey: yes, but users might want to be able to see some text sigs, and not image based ones
[12:11] <popey> ahh, its "all or nothing
[12:11] <popey> "show signatures"
[12:11] <jdong> right
[12:11] <bapoumba> popey, the regular text only sigs already get abused !
[12:11] <popey> i can imagine
[12:11] <bapoumba> and we do moderate them
[12:11] <jdong> there is one use case I can see...
[12:12] <jdong> some users like linking to some "Ubuntu User" tiny gif, or a linux user counter
[12:12] <popey> what about that new bug image thing from ubuntustats
[12:12] <popey> that might be popular to link to
[12:12] <PriceChild> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
[12:12] <jdong> one proposal is to have a whitelist of allowed image URL's
[12:12] <jdong> for sigs
[12:13] <bapoumba> I have my numbers txt mode ;)
[12:13] <popey> couldnt this go under the avatar?
[12:13] <popey> i find sigs (of any kind) interrupt the flow
[12:13] <jdong> either an avatar or just a text
[12:14] <bapoumba> would those be hosted on the servers ?
[12:14] <jdong> is anyone here in favor of allowing image sigs?
[12:14] <jdong> and has an argument as to why?
[12:14] <MikeB> -1 here
[12:14] <bapoumba> still -1
[12:15] <MikeB> the only reason would be to allow people to be more individualistic on the forums, but it is not worth the cost of time and potential for abuse
[12:15] <jdong> the OP's idea is to "moderate" images, which I disagree with
[12:15] <jdong> it would be too much work on our part
[12:15] <jdong> and still doesn't resolve the technical problems with load time and server resources
[12:16] <jdong> so, let's just call this -1?
[12:16] <MikeB> sounds good
[12:16] <HymnToLife> -1 for me too
[12:17] <Vorian> agreed
[12:17] <jdong> wow, that was fast
[12:18] <Vorian> anything to address that's not on the agenda jdong or MikeB?
[12:18] <MikeB> nope, been fairly calm recently on the forums
[12:18] <jdong> One unclosed matter for me is the Launchpad integration stuff
[12:19] <jdong> what is the latest status update on that?
[12:19] <bapoumba> who knows ?
[12:19] <MikeB> Matt R. wants to meeting with the FC/admin with some launchpad people
[12:19] <jdong> yep, that's the last e-mail I've seen on it
[12:20] <jdong> so then it's hung on our side, pending a meeting date
[12:20] <bapoumba> how many registered users on LP as to now ,
[12:20] <bapoumba> ?
[12:20] <Vorian> 3
[12:20] <MikeB> I never heard back if anyone wanted to meet with them (LP guys)
[12:21] <bapoumba> Vorian, :D
[12:21] <Vorian> :)
[12:21] <jdong> I sent back an e-mail on this... I'm interested in meeting to ask a few more questions
[12:22] <bapoumba> usernames ?
[12:22] <MikeB> I will mail the rest of the FC see if we could arrange a time
[12:22] <jdong> ok
[12:23] <Vorian> excellent
[12:23] <Vorian> anything else?
[12:23] <jdong> not that I can think of
[12:23] <MikeB> Vorian: Till January, I can not meeting on Monday or Wednesday afternoon from 3:00PM till 5:00PM EST
[12:24] <jdong> as far as a next meeting date... I am doing calss scheduling the day after labo(u)r day
[12:24] <jdong> so by the end of the first week of sept I'll be more clear on my free timeslots
[12:24] <jdong> perhaps we should delay scheduling till then
[12:24] <Vorian> MikeB, ok
[12:24] <MikeB> jdong: sounds good
[12:24] <Vorian> jdong, ok
[12:25] <jdong> MikeB: shall we make formal decision on the PM topic here?
[12:25] <jdong> I just got to my PM inbox a second ago
[12:26] <MikeB> the Ubuntu user map?
[12:27] <jdong> no, the staff member
[12:27] <MikeB> jdong: sure
[12:28] <jdong> for everyone out there, Artificial Intelligence has offered to rejoin the staff
[12:28] <Vorian> great
[12:28] <bapoumba> cool
[12:28] <jdong> prior, he left due to personal reasons (not enough time)
[12:28] <jdong> I am +1 for welcoming him back on the staff
[12:28] <MikeB> +1 here also
[12:28] <bapoumba> +1
[12:28] <HymnToLife> +1
[12:28] <Vorian> +1 \o/
[12:29] <jdong> alright, then welcome back, AI :)
[12:29] <bapoumba> W00t
[12:29] <jdong> now that Mike's brought up the map thing....
[12:29] <jdong> might as well get that done
[12:29] <jdong> nickburns
[12:30] <jdong> PM'ed us about a map that he created
[12:30] <jdong> the URL is : http://www.flippinsweetdude.com/maps/
[12:30] <jdong> apparently you can pin your location on a Google Map
[12:30] <jdong> and he wants to make it a sticky to attract more attention
[12:30] <MikeB> phone brb
[12:30] <jdong> IMO the map is cool, but I don't think it's sticky material
[12:31] <HymnToLife> yep
[12:31] <HymnToLife> he can put something about it in his sig or hatever
[12:31] <jdong> historically we have only granted "advertising stickies" for official Ubuntu endeavors or official forum projects
[12:31] <jdong> he is welcome to make a thread or put it in his sig
[12:31] <jdong> but I'm -1 on sticky
[12:31] <HymnToLife> -1 too
[12:32] <MikeB> back
[12:32] <HymnToLife> otherwise we'll have tons of people requesting a sticky for their personal stuff
[12:32] <bapoumba> 350 000 users, that will be crowded :D
[12:32] <jdong> agreed
[12:32] <bapoumba> -1 on the sticky
[12:33] <jdong> advertising personal projects on the forum is already on the border...
[12:33] <jdong> sticky is a definite no
[12:33] <MikeB> -1 here
[12:33] <Vorian> agreed, Je suis la carte
[12:34] <jdong> ok
[12:34] <PriceChild> Isn't there already one on the wiki or something?
[12:35] <bapoumba> Yea, I think so PriceChild
[12:35] <jdong> Vorian: you're what?
[12:35] <Vorian> yes, link is also on the planet
[12:35] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[12:37] <Vorian> ok
[12:37] <Vorian> anything else?
[12:37] <jdong> alright, I think we're done
[12:37] <jdong> I want food
[12:37] <Vorian> great
[12:37] <Vorian> thanks for coming everyone :)
[12:37] <jdong> Vorian: large pepperoni and mushroom pizza
[12:37] <jdong> Vorian: and a 2 liter of coke too
[12:37] <Vorian> jdong, on the way :)
[12:37] <MikeB> Thanks
[12:37] <jdong> thanks!
[12:37] <MikeB> see you guys later
[12:37] <bapoumba> See ya !
[12:38] <Vorian> ha
[12:38] <jdong> alright, thanks for coming
[12:38] <jdong> and all that stuff
[12:38] <jdong> bye.