=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU is mostly back up on an interim server === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by ScottK at Sat Aug 18 21:19:29 2007 === retour [n=wolfenst@adsl-70-228-92-219.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] Hi all! I have a Compaq Proliant 2500 with dual PentiumPro + UltraWide SCSI RAID adapter and 4 SCSI drives (Raid0). Ubuntu 7.04 desktop fails to install with kernel panic. I expect problems with detection of memory amount (280MB). Do I have a better chance with Ubuntu server edition or they are generally same distros with differently preconfigured packages? [06:02] retour, perhaps this is better in #ubuntu? === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-053-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] tgm: I did but no reply so far? This question is not proper here? What Masters of Univers community is all about? Not supergeeks? === dothebart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-247-192.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] retour, its for the universe repo [06:05] packaging and such [06:06] retour, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [06:08] thank you! sorry for bothering wrong channel === retour [n=wolfenst@adsl-70-228-92-219.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:13] Supergeeks?! === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hroo772 [n=hroo772@pool-72-66-24-70.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-106.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73494.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] good morning [07:39] it's dholbach! everybody behave! [07:39] dholbach! === dholbach hugs Hobbsee [07:39] hey LaserJock === Hobbsee hugs dholbach :) [07:40] grrrr === man-di needs a live or repair cd with at least kernel 2.6.22 [07:40] man-di: Tribe 4? [07:41] ^ === LaserJock hugs dholbach [07:41] StevenK: needs to long to download [07:41] I want to boot my main machine [07:42] problem is that my kernel is on / inside LVM which needs lilo [07:42] and lilo broke somehow [07:42] kernel should be on boot outside lvm [07:42] Agreed === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-132.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] it can be on a raid1 but not an lvm [07:43] jmg: yes, I was to lame to think of that on install, I wanted to fix this today [07:43] man-di: ha ha [07:43] it bootet from lvm with lilo okay yesterday [07:43] just grub1 doesnt support kernel on lvm [07:44] quick, someone set up man-di an internet listening tftp server, so he can netboot [07:44] jmg: already tried as a i have netboot here [07:44] man-di: how did it fail? [07:44] but this damn machine rejects to boot with this either [07:45] doh === jmg hands man-di a paddle [07:45] I think its mainly due to the network driver not being in the official kernel yet === man-di likes e1000, grrrr [07:46] man-di: ouch [07:46] man-di: sounds like you've got a real lemony snicket [07:47] yeh [07:47] was fun to install Linux on this machine [07:47] man-di: rebuild kernel? [07:47] man-di: what machine is it? [07:47] I had to put another network card into it for installation [07:48] its Core2Quad with marvell chipset [07:48] was really fun that neither chipset nor ethernet driver are in official kernel yet, only in git of sub-projects [07:49] man-di: so check out the git tree and build it [07:50] gaaa [07:50] I just want it to work [07:50] heh [07:50] jmg: so I need to use a slow machine to build a new kernel to be able to boot that fast machine [07:51] if I want it really slow I could try to build the kernel on the NSLU2... [07:51] man-di: now you're getting somewhere === hroo772 [n=hroo772@pool-72-66-24-70.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] Hobbsee: (re: kde on http://people.debian.org/~lucas/ubuntu-versions/) [08:35] how do I determine which packages to list on that page? [08:35] lucas: section: kde, i thought [08:39] would that pick them all? [08:40] i didnt think so - it wouldnt do the section: gnome, section: utils, etc... [08:40] no I mean: wouldn't it miss interesting packages? [08:41] well, ideallyyou'd do one for every section, i guess [08:41] I mean: interesting packages for you [08:42] oh right. [08:42] lucas: if i'm interested in a particualr package, i normally subscribe thru LP, check the upstream rss feed, etc. [08:42] lucas: i'm thinking for thsoe of us interested in sections [08:42] for example k3b is KDE and Section: otherfs [08:42] otherosfs [08:43] oh, interesting. [08:43] hmmm, then i dont know [08:45] <\sh_away> lucas: fix it === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-84-20.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N949P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] it was just an example, there are probably other packages in the same case === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] I could use apt-rdepends to find all the interesting packages, but not as long as it's on gluck.d.o === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-02ec325e11177803] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] Hobbsee, what would be the best way to address a question to the motu-uvf team, since there doesn't appear to be a mailing list? Should i just post to the normal motu mailing list? [08:59] superm1: yeah [09:00] ok [09:00] superm1: of course, you could CC all the members of the team,b ut that doesnt do well for privacy [09:00] er, for public-nature of mail [09:00] that's what i assumed === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-226.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] hence i wanted to double check what you thought would be better === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] superm1: depends on the tone of the mail, i expect. [09:06] superm1: and what wider things are in MOTU [09:07] Hobbsee, I'll fire it off later on and you'll see i guess :) Bed time for me now. nn [09:07] man-di: So, what's happening with sear? :-) [09:07] night! [09:07] StevenK: current I package sear CVS [09:07] but it needs libwfut (which is not in Debian yet) [09:08] sear cvs is the only version supporting guichan 0.6.1 [09:08] I'm talking on sponsoring with the libwfut maintainer [09:09] man-di: Will libwfut also build in Ubuntu? [09:11] yes [09:11] its a pretty simple lib [09:11] no strange dependecies [09:12] I just need to teach its maintainer not to use automake when he dont needs to [09:12] how do I sign my package source? [09:12] elmargol: with debsign [09:13] man-di: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -sa? and then debsign? [09:16] you can specify with -k and it will let you sign it too [09:17] Hobbsee: How can I disable the build process? I just need the signed source [09:18] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S [09:19] use -S [09:19] thx === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-84-20.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] siretart: what's the new address for http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] (or isnt there one yet?) [09:30] Since we cannot assume, that tiber was in fact not compromised, all the [09:30] previously uploaded packages were not imported into the new instance. Also [09:30] the database started completely empty. [09:30] \o/ [09:30] excellent! [09:31] well, that makes reviewing easier for a start [09:33] yep! :) === ajmitch sees by his mail that dholbach is already back attacking his inbox :) [09:35] hehe, yeah [09:35] ajmitch: ~30000 mails when I got back [09:36] dholbach: that's impressive. a lot of that would be -bugs? [09:36] yeah [09:36] select all, delete [09:36] exactly === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-68-167-206-223.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony [n=harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] o/c [09:50] ugh [09:51] Well, at least my workflow will be changing for good soon... [09:51] No more eratic kvm+crappy screen reader output. === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@137.201-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] I have a question about a init.d file. On debian they use {} around variables. Why doesn't this work on ubuntu feisty fawn? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] elmargol: bash vs dash === POX_ [n=pox@156.17.236.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] Hobbsee: Do we use dash or bash on feisty? [10:11] elmargol: [10:11] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ls -lh /bin/sh [10:11] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-06-22 04:11 /bin/sh -> dash [10:14] Hobbsee: how do I fix this? use /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh? [10:14] no, you remove the bashism, so it works on all POSIX-compliant shells. === revilodraw [n=sexgod@220-253-56-187.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] is there a way to see non working lines? [10:15] dash -n script [10:15] big thx [10:15] foo{bar1, bar2}'s are bashisms, definetly [10:15] use foobar1, foobar2 instead [10:15] etc [10:16] does anyone know how i can make my laptop audio buttons work in kde, because they work in gnome but not kde [10:17] revilodraw: which model laptop, and which ones? [10:18] Hobbsee: its a dell inspiron 6400 and i would like to be able to get the volume up/down and mute buttons to work [10:19] revilodraw: ahhh. and they dont work in amarok? [10:19] revilodraw: set the global shortcuts in amarok. they do work, except there's something in amarok stopping them. they're set correctly in kmilo [10:20] Hobbsee: they used to work in amarok, but i dont use amarok because it performs terribly in both environments (it used to work beautifully though, and i have tried reinstalling) [10:20] hobbsee: its not just amarok, they dont work at all in the kde environemnt [10:20] no, but htey usually work once you set them in amarok. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] regardless of whether you use amarok again [10:21] at least, that's what i've found. === fredix [n=fred@88.141.110.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] hobbsee: ok thats weird, it shouldnt be like that; kde shouldnt rely on amarok at all...but thanks a lot for the info [10:21] revilodraw: i don thitnk it does - i think amarok ends up screwing it up [10:21] revilodraw: like i say, those are correctly coded into kmilo [10:22] hobbsee: wow u are right changing them in amarok helped thank you!! but what is kmilo? [10:23] it's the kde daemon thing for keyboard shortcuts [10:23] hobbsee: ooh ok how can i access it by itself? === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] revilodraw: i suspect /usr/share/hotkey-setup/dell.hk === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] Hobbsee: ok thanks! actually the buttons arent turning my speaker volume up/down they r turning the volume bar up and down in amarok === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] and if you close amarok? [10:25] that's weird though. it "just works" here [10:25] ill try [10:26] hmm yeh when amarok is closed the buttons dont respond to being pushed... ill try configuring the keyboard shortcuts in kde === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host129-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cain_ [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] Hi all === norsetto [n=cesare@host56-195-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:57] hiya all [11:58] hey norsetto [11:59] daniel \o/ === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F75A2E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] norsetto: you've been quite busy, when I was not around [12:00] whats up mate? safe and well I hope !? wading through those 2546748 emails I guess .... === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] exactly :) === hroo772 [n=hroo772@pool-72-66-24-70.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] dholbach: hey, I'm only responsible for 10% of that ..... [12:01] hehehe :) === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] norsetto: at some stage, highvoltage, you and I should discuss how we can speed up the mentoring [12:06] norsetto: we should make it absolutely clear that our mentoring is just supposed to help with the initial steps and not guiding contributors up until they become MOTUs [12:06] helping with getting the first upload done via the normal review process should be the number one task for mentors [12:07] after that people should be able to cope with the regular processes which work quite well now [12:07] but maybe we should take some more time to discuss this properly [12:08] also having some kind of ongoing QA of our documentation would be something we should make easier [12:08] the faster the process, the more contributors we can take on [12:09] dholbach: yes, I think we should discuss this properly [12:10] do you think my ideas roughly make sense? [12:12] dholbach: not sure actually; I mean, do we need mentors to tell where to finds bugs and how do we upload to REVU? [12:13] I just think that the sponsoring teams should take care of reviews and helping out with that [12:14] dholbach: definetively [12:14] I sometimes feel that there are only a few MOTUs who help process the Ubuntu universe Sponsors queue in Launchpad. [12:14] mentors should probably be more on the "hand holding" side regarding processes, documentation links, who to talk to, where to look for answers and so on [12:14] TheMuso: I'll put more efforts into that again once I'm through my mail backlog [12:15] dholbach: seems a bit diminutive to me (but then, I look at it from the other side of the fence) [12:15] and make sure that some canonical people take care of them as well [12:15] dholbach: Not asking you specifically to have a look, but it seems that not many active MOTUs help with sponsoring... Or thats how it seems to me anyway. [12:15] TheMuso: Hi Luke, any feedback on that email of mine? [12:16] TheMuso: i suspect that's accurate [12:16] norsetto: not yet. [12:16] norsetto: what I see at the moment is that we have lots of people sitting on the mentoring slots and they don't make use of the 'official processes' we have [12:16] norsetto: like 1) using sponsoring bugs, 2) asking the motu mentors list for help, 3) asking for more, better, fixed documentation and so on [12:17] dholbach: yes thats correct [12:17] norsetto: I think that motu mentors is a valuable addition, but they shouldn't try to do everything === Hobbsee stays away from this mentoring discussion === norsetto tries to drag hobbsee back [12:18] dholbach: please tell her to stop biting :-) === apachelogger [n=me@N949P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] norsetto: I tried that for ages now [12:19] norsetto: me? bite? [12:20] dholbach: you know better than that. i dont bite, i poke people in the ribs. === TheMuso can attest to that. [12:20] dholbach: I have mixed feeling about this now; I have the impression that the program is actually making us loose contributors instead of gaining them [12:20] dholbach: indeed. it wasn't clear to me in the beginning either, I can see how people can think that mentoring is for more than the initial steps [12:21] (sorry for lag, at work atm) [12:21] highvoltage: hi mate! [12:21] i get the feeling that hopefulls feel that they hvae to have a mentor to get anywhere [12:21] and hwile that helps... [12:21] highvoltage, norsetto - maybe we should discuss this on ubuntu-motu-mentors@ [12:22] highvoltage, norsetto: I'll try to write that up properly [12:22] dholbach: that would be convenient [12:22] oh meh, that would require me subscribing to the thing, to read it [12:23] dholbach: I have the impression that hobbsee is volunteering as a mentor (mentrice?), should I add a slot for her? === Hobbsee snorts [12:23] dream on [12:24] i dont have the patience for it, havent you seen me in here enough to know? === TheMuso pokes Hobbsee in the ribs. You know you want to. [12:24] hobbsee: I have a contributor ready for you ;-) === Hobbsee pokes TheMuso in the ribs in return. I know i *dont* want to, yes. [12:24] norsetto: oh, who? [12:24] norsetto: if you say kmos, i'm going to kill you... [12:24] very, very painfully [12:24] :-X [12:25] yeah Hobbsee is evil [12:25] zul: do you sponsor people? [12:25] *snicker* i sponsored you ;) === Hobbsee thinks on that [12:26] zul: er, make that mentoring. [12:26] you are still evil though [12:26] again *snicker* === Hobbsee pokes zul sharply in the ribs too [12:26] i dont hvae the patience [12:26] zul: you just wait until i meet you at UDS [12:27] if i go ;) [12:27] well, whichever one you go to [12:27] zul: you cant use that reason, because i've already used it. [12:27] probably at gutsy+2 when I can get time off of work [12:28] that'd be cool [12:28] Hobbsee: er...I dont have the stamina? [12:28] zul: tryand get that one past dholbach [12:28] heh [12:29] By mistake I dput a _i386.changes file to REVU. Can someone here nuke it please? [12:29] Its called btk-core-0.8.1 === Hobbsee wonders who has shell acounts there === TheMuso knows he has an account on sparky, but doubts he can do anything revu related. === mok0 thinks revu runs on sparky [12:32] It does. [12:32] at the moment. [12:32] [11:24] norsetto: if you say kmos, i'm going to kill you... [12:32] LOL [12:33] TheMuso: ah, i have a shell there, but am not in hte revu group [12:33] Kmos: :) [12:34] Thanks for looking. I'll ask again later. [12:34] Hobbsee: Some of us regulars around here should be added to the group, so we can help admin. [12:34] I was actually going to ask for revu admin rights until it went down. [12:34] TheMuso: true, but siretart's rethinking security, etc [12:34] riht [12:34] right [12:34] Uploaders should be able to nuke their own uploads. [12:35] then again, any MOTU should be able to have permission, theoretically speaking [12:35] mok0: requires a shell to do the removing. [12:35] mok0: maybe in the next version of revu website. [12:35] if anyone ever codes it [12:35] yeah [12:36] Hobbsee: I am thinking of revising revu so it could be done without shell acess [12:36] that will be a easy one =) [12:36] that'd be nice [12:36] the authentication is in place [12:37] alternatively, they should give support for dget [12:37] it had support for dget [12:37] Hobbsee: and... ? [12:38] so i'm not sure why you'd be trying to add it :) [12:38] Hobbsee: Why was it removed? [12:38] i dont think it was. i'm fairly sure that it still exists [12:39] although i've not tried on the interim server [12:39] I'll try it === zul goes be a cow [12:40] anyone know what is the status for REVU passwords? Can we use the old one? Do we have to require a new one? [12:40] norsetto: recover it [12:40] norsetto: i think that was said in the revu mail from siretart [12:40] Hobbsee: tried but doesn't work :-( [12:40] norsetto: it got comprimised, so all the packages on there got ditched, and all the passwords got changed [12:41] Hobbsee: recover works only for MOTUs, contributors need a new upload [12:41] norsetto: it may not all be working yet. [12:41] geser: ahhhh.... [12:41] thanks [12:41] siretart imported only the ubuntu-dev group [12:41] Hobbsee: yeah, I get None as a result (which I even tried, its not a good password :-)) [12:42] hehe [12:42] geser: ahhh, right, yes [12:42] this is what happens when i only skim ~40 emails in one hit [12:43] oh, yummy hilights [12:43] siretart: indeed! [12:43] I read help offers in the backlog? [12:44] geser: thx [12:44] we (sistpoty and me) could really need help with revu's new home [12:46] btw, since sparky is part of the ubuntuwire network, all ubuntu-dev people can login on tiber and look how it works [12:46] siretart: we dont have permission, not being in the revu team to delete, though [12:46] delete? [12:47] siretart: or move, etc. [12:47] siretart: things from incomming or whatever [12:47] ah, the incomine queue, true [12:47] the queue seems to be 777 now, no need for the group AFAISI === Hobbsee just got a permission denied, when attempting to remove from /srv/... [12:50] Hobbsee: ok, I'll add you to the revu group [12:50] sistpoty is standing next to me [12:50] cool [12:50] Adding user `hobbsee' to group `revu' ... [12:50] Done. === Hobbsee waves to sistpoty [12:51] he waves back [12:51] there we go, removed. 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[n=chris@e178075067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] Good morning all. === badders [n=tom@86.154.72.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] Hey ScottK. [02:13] hi ScottK [02:14] hey ScottK [02:14] Hi ScottK [02:15] Hello TheMuso, Hobbsee, zul, and geser === lmr_ [n=lmr@32.104.18.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] Hey persia. Long time no see. [02:16] TheMuso: Hey. [02:16] Hi persia [02:17] hi geser. Thanks for watching for gaphas. [02:17] persia: what problems did you have with the gaphas package? [02:18] I changed debian/pyversions to 2.5 to get it build with python2.5 === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] geser: pyversions << 2.,4. ezinstall builds nose egg info on clean:, etc. [02:19] geser: You could build a package after removing pyversions? For me, debian/clean wasn't. === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@201.56.109.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] importing the gaphas module build for python2.5 worked [02:20] mornin' people [02:20] :) [02:20] persia: Depends: python (>= 2.5), python (<< 2.6), python-support (>= 0.2), python-decorator, python-gtk2 [02:20] after changing debian/pyversions to 2.5 [02:21] geser: Hmm... I wonder why I get nose-0.10.0b1-py2.5.egg/ [02:21] had you have python-setuptools installed? [02:22] geser: Yes. [02:22] without it fetched some eggs from the internet === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] geser: I get eggs from the internet even with python-setuptools installed. I suspect it's because I didn't have python-nose installed on the host (only in the build chroot). [02:24] geser: More generally, if I build everything in gaphas & gaphor (using cheeseshop eggs), I run into problems with zope. I think I can get it working with gaphor 0.10.4, but I'm not sure if I want gaphas 0.1.4, 0.2.0, or 0.3.x yet. [02:24] looking on it again I guess I build the source package with dpkg-source -b as I don't have a changes file (didn't generate it yet) [02:24] geser: The other thing is that if you have to make a change (e.g. python 2.4 -> 2.5) then you don't need to request a sync. Just modify the package and upload it like you would for a merge. [02:24] geser: Hmm. Do you have python-nose installed locally? [02:25] ScottK: sync request is already gone :) [02:25] ScottK: I know, persia mentioned the needed change in my sync request [02:25] OK. [02:26] I was under the impression you knew about it before you requested. Nevermind. [02:26] persia: not in my dev chroot [02:26] ScottK: What's your opinion of ezinstall use in debian/rules? [02:26] Bad. [02:27] geser: Interesting. I get "unrepresentable changes to source" when trying `debuild -S -sa`. Perhaps it makes binaries, but not source. [02:27] That's the one that grabs modules and downloads the from the net, right? [02:27] ScottK: That's the feeling I had. Thanks for the confirmation. [02:27] ScottK: Yep. [02:28] persia: I had those at first too, therefore I redid my change and build the source package with dpkg-source -b [02:28] It is a pretty sigificant breach of the pakcaging system. [02:28] ScottK: You'll find the upstream solution for http://gaphor.devjavu.com/projects/gaphor/ticket/36 amusing then :) [02:29] geser: Ah. That makes sense. I'm not happy about dpkg-source -b, as it makes life hard for people making patches. I'm hoping to find a solution that doesn't involve randomly installing things from the internet (although I only have 10 days left :)) [02:29] As an upstream, that's a reasonable response. Debian packaging problems aren't their problem. [02:29] persia: There are new package freeze exceptions too. [02:29] ScottK: I guess. I still prefer exception handling for missing libraries, etc. [02:30] Agreed. [02:30] For gaphas, I'd be supportive of an exception if needed. [02:30] ScottK: I don't think I can make a convincing argument for a freeze exception for gaphor: it's been broken since Breezy/ [02:30] Actually, I think that makes it easier. [02:30] No regression risk which is the big thing to avoid. [02:31] Lots of people complain about it too. [02:31] ScottK: Hmmm.. Interesting viewpoint. I'd think rather that it wasn't a feature that was sufficiently important for such a late change. [02:31] What $SOMONE should do is write a debianized replacement for ezinstall that works within the packaging system. [02:32] persia: I installed now also python-nose and run dpkg-buildpackage -S and the debdiff shows no extra eggs [02:32] $SOMONE/SOMEONE [02:32] persia: I view the freeze process as a risk management excercise. In the case of gaphor, there is no downside risk. [02:33] geser: Hmm.. I don't think there is Pre-Build-Depends. I still don't think that the package is right, but I wouldn't object to an upload with the base changes, as long as it results in a working gaphor (which really needs zope investigation). [02:34] persia: are we talking now about gaphor or gaphas? [02:34] ScottK: That makes quite a bit of sense. I'm certainly reevaluating. [02:34] geser: They are related. I don't see any point to adding gaphas unless it makes gaphor work. If there's another client, either 0.2.0 or 0.3.x would be a reasonable candidate. [02:35] persia: ok, but currently gaphor has an unmet dep on python-gaphas [02:36] geser: Right. gaphor hasn't worked since breezy, for a variety of reasons. In my tests with gaphas 0.1.4 and gaphas 0.2.0, I was not able to get gaphor working. Unless there is another program that depends on python-gaphas, it doesn't really matter if it's an unmetdep or a segfault, as I see it. [02:37] hey persia, ScottK, TheMuso === miles [n=miles@12.178.108.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] On the other hand, if I still don't have something working in another week, I'll probably upload 0.2.0, just to get the package in, with additional efforts to get it clean afterwards. [02:37] hello all [02:37] xxxxx1: Hey. [02:37] Hello xxxxx1. [02:39] persia: does gaphor in Debian the same problems? [02:40] geser: Yep. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423515 is the root. I've been exchanging email with Cdric, but with UVF, and UNF approaching, I uploaded gaphor so as not to need a UVF exception. [02:40] Debian bug 423515 in gaphor "gaphor segfaults after upgrading python-diacanvas2" [Normal,Open] === pygi [n=mario@155-134.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] That's the same as bug 30344 [02:41] Launchpad bug 30344 in gaphor "Gaphor doesn't start" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30344 [02:41] persia: I'd prefer to have python-gaphas in the archive. That way one could fix gaphor (if a fix gets found) after the release through -updates (or -backports) === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] geser: OK. Feel free to upload if you think it's important. My main reason for wanting another week is UVF: I don't know if I want to grab gaphas 0.3.x, but most of the necessary changes can probably be done in a patch. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] persia: you should be able to still get a UVF for most thigns, at this point [02:44] grrr...must kill [02:44] Hobbsee: Yes, but given my current time committments, it's easier to do things in a way that doesn't require approval :) [02:45] persia: I can wait with uploading gaphas till short before NPFU if that helps you [02:45] persia: :) === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.98.179] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] geser: Thanks. I'm hoping to have a bit of time this week to chase it, but will definitely upload some version of gaphas this coming weekend, whether I find a final solution or not. [02:46] ok [02:46] geser: Do you have any pending changes other than the python 2.5 dependencies? [02:47] geser: Also, why python (<< 2.6)? [02:52] Hobbsee: pong? re: swfdec-mozilla, i didn't notice that uvf was in effect already... i thought it is tomorrow [02:52] slomo: that's main freeze for tribe 5 [02:53] slomo: Are you subscribed to the MOTU mailing list? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Hobbsee: i'll care for proper uvf exception stuff later, thanks for noticing ;) [02:54] bbl [02:54] ScottK: sure [02:54] slomo: no problem, and thank geser [02:54] OK. I was just wondering because Hobbsee forwarded the UVF announcement there. That's all. [02:56] ScottK: About zekr: do you know why the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME check was trimmed so agressively? [02:56] persia: No. I know he got some comments from the upstream about the package, but not if that's related. [02:57] Let me see if I can find his e-mail and forward it to you. [02:57] ScottK2: Thanks. It doesn't seem to break anything, but I generally don't like to sponsor things I don't understand :) [02:58] I can understand that. [02:59] persia: I thought he'd sent me mail that talked about the changes, but I can't find it. [03:00]