=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: See our website at http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV " === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Sun Aug 19 19:02:44 2007 [05:50] superm1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythtv-process-realtime enjoy [05:51] looks good :) [05:52] it doesn't look too involved why can't this get in for gutsy? [05:53] defendguin, i would suppose that would require discussion [05:54] well discussion and testing [05:54] realtime module isn't available directly right now [05:54] running as root (what i was thinkign when you brought this up) isn't safe [05:54] right [05:54] i wouldn't do that [05:55] i'm not positive about rlimits [05:55] defendguin, if you want to do some investigation though to see what the best approach to go about here is [05:55] i mean we can try to get this in gutsy [05:55] but given the other things that are left to be finished yet [05:55] i can't commit the time for it myself [05:56] can it be done without making it root? [05:56] although [05:57] defendguin, http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved [05:57] :) [05:57] tgm4883_laptop, are there still two buttons? :P [05:58] two buttons for what? [05:58] tgm4883_laptop: whats your point? [05:58] I was saying you could always commit the time yourself :) [05:59] to get it into 7.10 [05:59] tgm4883_laptop: i suppose [06:00] i don't have the proper access to do it all on my own and i don't think you should probably give me that access [06:01] defendguin, just if you can investigate where things need to be changed [06:01] to make it happen [06:01] we'll be glad to put the changes in the proper places [06:01] i don't have write access the archive myself, i make my changes locally, and then have a sponsor commit them [06:02] ahh [06:02] so just the same [06:04] i'll see what i can do on monday [06:04] sweet :) [06:06] well how do i go ahead and benchmark this [06:06] people will need to see results [06:06] hm [06:07] that i'm not sure [06:10] heh,, there was talk of a mythbench, but thats back in 03 [06:13] is there some sort of fps OSD i can turn on? [06:14] not sure, I could see benchmarking the database, but i dont really know what you would do to benchmark the OSD [06:14] your not really looking for FPS out of it [06:15] right [06:15] i guess the only thing you could really do in this situation is to time it with a stopwatch [06:16] lol [06:16] on a newer faster system, your not going to see much [06:16] but on an older system you may be able to see a difference [06:16] and that is the point in doing it right? For older hardware? [06:16] exactly [06:16] so thats how I would do it [06:17] the 2.4 ghz box is abotu 5 years old [06:17] ie stopwatchc [06:17] if you can get your hands on one, i would try about 1 - 1.5 [06:17] i need the backend on that box? [06:18] not necessaraly, but you should test multiple combinations [06:18] FE [06:18] BE [06:18] FE/BE [06:19] i have some slower laptops around but obviously i couldn't put a back end on there [06:19] and you will want to time lots of different things too [06:19] you can put a back end on their too, as your looking at how fast it interacts with the FE [06:20] ideally you want a tuner in their, but you do with what you got [06:20] then, for fun, you also benchmark knoppmyth and mythdora :) [06:20] no [06:21] those results have no bearing on our decision === tgm4883_laptop likes creating work for people. Just ask superm1 [06:21] no one is creating work for me [06:22] while it wouldn't have a bearing on our decision, it would be interesting to see how mythbuntu OOB compared to the other performance wise [06:23] I may do that one myself :) [06:23] tgm4883_laptop: if you can set up the tests and figure out exactly what to time i'll see if i can find an old pos laptop [06:23] assume i have no tuner card [06:24] well i have a 700mhz 384 ram machine that would work perfectly [06:24] although i would have to pull a tuner for testing [06:26] i could get my hands on some older dell C610 laptops [06:26] about 700 mhz about 256mb [06:30] "MythTV supports real-time scheduling of the video output thread." so the only thing we can realtime is that one thread [06:30] ? [06:41] :( [06:41] I broke my mythbox [06:42] lol [06:42] i accidently apt-get upgraded [06:42] and now my firewire wont prime [06:58] tgm4883, did you commit the change? [06:59] eh im working on it [06:59] mkay [06:59] im trying to figure out why it is't changing [06:59] well i'm gonna go to bed in an hour or so, since tomorrow is first day of classes :) [06:59] ah [06:59] you were using $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf [06:59] right? [06:59] not just /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf [06:59] yep [07:00] make sure that sed script works right outside the installer? [07:01] yep [07:01] im going to rerun my tests on it [07:01] k [07:03] so your school starts tomarrow? [07:03] yea [07:03] wow [07:03] so my time is going to go away quick [07:03] WOU does't start until Sept 24th [07:03] i've got a few last changes i'm putting into the control centre [07:04] and why i wanted to get the website up this past weekend [07:04] rather than try to wait for imbrandon to come around [07:04] ah [07:08] ARG [07:08] IDIOT [07:08] what was it? [07:08] I now know why it doesn't work [07:08] well I was testing it out on my desktop in a test file [07:08] so I couldn't grab the $USER [07:08] so the line reads [07:09] sed '/AutomaticLogin=/ c\AutomaticLogin=mythtv [07:09] /TimedLogin=/ c\TimedLogin=mythtv' $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf | tee $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf.NEW > /dev/null [07:09] which is why it's not working [07:09] wait don't you have that wrong eitehr way [07:09] automatic login should be activated for that $USER [07:09] not for mythtv [07:09] right [07:09] its already =mythtv [07:09] i put mythtv in there because I was testing it on my desktop [07:09] oh i see [07:10] it's been one of those night [07:10] where i break everything I touch [07:10] also broke my master backend [07:11] well get it working then so something goes right tonight :) [07:11] i will, let me make this quick fix and test it again [07:12] hmm, this looks a little funky [07:12] sed '/AutomaticLogin=/ c\AutomaticLogin='$USER' [07:12] /TimedLogin=/ c\TimedLogin='$USER'' $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf | tee $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf.NEW > /dev/null [07:14] looks fine to me [07:14] from wht you said before [07:15] superm1, do I want to drop this into /usr/share/ubiquity or /usr/share/ubiquity/mythbuntu? There is a mythbuntu-apply in both [07:16] tgm4883, there is? [07:16] well that's not good :) [07:16] yep [07:16] all the scripts are in both [07:16] drop it in both for now [07:16] ok [07:16] if they are identical [07:16] let me see if i can figure out why that's happening [07:21] superm1, NO MORE LEARNING! [07:21] huh? [07:22] foxbuntu want you to commit 110% of your time to mythbuntu [07:22] I just learned the atomic properties of Acetone and those effects on adding it to Gas [07:22] what'd you do? [07:22] arg [07:22] it's wrong superm1, the installer just crashed [07:23] tgm4883, okay it appears the ones in /usr/share/ubiquity are the ones that matter [07:23] superm1, I just got to reading a article about how adding 3oz of Acetone (100% Pure Acetone) to 10Gal of gas supposidly can increase fuel mileage by upto 30% [07:23] the ones in /usr/share/ubiquity/mythbuntu/ don't do anything [07:24] ok [07:24] and I got to researching the pluasbility of this and ended up learning all about the atomic properties of Gas and Acetone [07:24] my feable brain is soon gonna start purging important things if I keep learning crap I don't need to know [07:24] foxbuntu, something tells me you are wishing you had your old car to try this with, because you don't have he guts to do it on your new one [07:25] superm1, you got that right === tgm4883 is tired of making stupid mistakes [07:25] superm1, but this is why I have a lawn mower [07:25] :) [07:25] foxbuntu how many MPG do you get on your lawn mower? [07:25] tgm4883 about 473 [07:25] sweet [07:26] lol [07:26] superm1, can I just re run the installer or should I reboot? [07:26] you can rerun it [07:26] tgm4883 reboot [07:26] I dropped in mythbuntu-apply, but didn't make it executable [07:26] well that appears to be a difference in opinion [07:26] rebooting i quickly learned is a waste of time in a VM [07:27] lol [07:28] well lets hope that im wrong and the code is right [07:28] because I have a sneaky suspicion that it isn't going to work [07:28] tgm4883 you and I are never wrong [07:28] thats what im afraid of foxbuntu [07:29] superm1, is usually wrong [07:29] ;) [07:29] cause if im right, that means that I have to figure out the sed command on a single line [07:29] i suppose we will know in a couple minutes [07:30] foxbuntu, what is wrong with my backend :( [07:30] whats the problem? I have probably caused it at least once before === tgm4883 just realized he left himself open to way to many jokes === foxbuntu doesn't do backend jokes...thats what superm1 is for ;) [07:31] I accidently did an apt-get upgrade, then I rebooted and now my firewire wont prime [07:31] did you change kernels? [07:32] dont remember, is there a command to see what was last installed? [07:32] I probably did, as I usually don't upgrade that machine [07:32] do a uname -r and paste results here [07:33] 2.6.20-15-generic [07:33] prob a kernel update but the same one [07:33] it's not even that it wont prime as usual. It sits there and says P2P: Testing... [07:33] hmm [07:33] usually when it wont prime it just fails all the tests [07:34] so its hanging now rather than failing [07:34] vm is rebooting now [07:34] yes [07:34] oh this is in a VM? [07:34] no [07:34] oh [07:34] sorry, doing 2 things at once [07:35] the vm is for mythbuntu [07:35] gotcha [07:35] the firewire is my main system [07:35] if it was a vm, i'd have no problem wiping it and starting from scratch [07:36] yes!!!! Sweet vindication!!!!! Superm1, it works [07:36] :) [07:36] okay commit the change [07:36] im logged into the jelly-desktop [07:36] and then i'll commit mine and leave the note for the installer team to sync us [07:37] superm1, any thoughts on this firewire thing? [07:37] foxbuntu, i haven't used firewire for more than a year now, things have changed with how its done [07:37] oh [07:37] and I have never used it [07:38] wheres majoridiot when we need him? (he helped me setup the firewire many months ago [07:38] lol [07:38] he said earlier this summer he'll be back around august-september or so [07:38] am I supposed to do anything when bzrlog pops up? [07:39] bzrlog? [07:39] because I think I put my changes in their last time [07:39] mine comes up way different [07:39] i dont know why you and foxbuntu get a different bzr thing [07:39] well after I bzr commit, nano pops up with .../mythbuntu/mythbuntu-ubiquity/bzr_log.t70Dn- [07:39] oh right [07:39] that's normal [07:39] okay [07:39] yea put your message in [07:40] ok [07:40] you did it right before === foxbuntu just breaks stuff in strange ways to make superm1 wonder how I accomplished such a great breakage [07:41] and done [07:42] im committed superm1 [07:42] okay great [07:42] really? [07:42] yep [07:42] where to? [07:42] bellvue [07:43] really, thats funny, I am watching Smallville right now [07:43] lol [07:43] I hope its not a long drive to Kansas to visit superm1 there [07:43] lol [07:44] superm1, do they have Wifi there for you? [07:44] huh? [07:44] kansas? [07:44] i'm very confused [07:44] lmao [07:44] I made a joke and you missed it [07:44] read back up like 10 lines [07:45] hmm, interesting, now it made it though 7 P2P: Testing....failed until it hung [07:45] right but i dont get it [07:45] i've never watched smallville [07:45] why would i be in kansas? [07:45] it's about this ville thats kinda small [07:46] tgm4883 said he commited you, I asked where he said Bellvue which is the funny farm in the show Smallville [07:46] which is based in Kansas [07:46] ARG, IDIOT [07:46] I fixed my firewire problem [07:46] GOD! [07:46] oh? [07:46] plug it in? [07:46] see, one of those nights [07:46] nope [07:46] power it on? [07:46] helps if the STB is tuned to a valid channel [07:46] lmao [07:47] I usually prime on 703, not today though. Today I try on 806 [07:47] oops [07:47] see what scripts do to me superm1 [07:47] well tgm4883 welcome to my world :) === tgm4883 taps his heels together [07:48] theres no place like home [07:48] superm1, what time is your first class in the morning? [07:48] theres no place like home [07:48] theres no place like home [07:48] eh i should look that up [07:48] early i bet [07:48] earlier than i want to get up [07:48] lol [07:48] now comn...thats slacker talk...only room for one of those here...and I am the best [07:49] superm1, how many credits do you have to take this semester?? [07:50] well i'm in 19 right now [07:50] but will be auditing one course i believe [07:50] 19! === tgm4883 is registered in like 14 right now [07:50] you are crzy [07:50] so probably closer to 15 or 16 [07:50] like i said, i wanted to get the big stuff for mythbuntu done while i had the time :) [07:51] indeed [07:51] I found out I will prob be workin alot of overtime in the near future === tgm4883 installed drupal on his webspace so he can play with it [07:52] that client I have been working for...well...I am going to be rebuilding their network from the ground up [07:52] now its a pain to get files from there [07:52] foxbuntu, thats always fun [07:52] I have to "aquire" a Win 2K server disk for a client [07:52] one that works with their CD key [07:52] yea espically when it has to be done seamless, and they have 200+ servers and 2000+ users to deal with [07:53] what type of key do they have? [07:53] Open License VLK? [07:53] or Retail? [07:53] tgm4883, if you want a local copy of the backup for mythbuntu.org to play on, i can point you at the backup for it [07:53] its a regular window 2000 server key, thats on the side of their dell server [07:54] oh that blows [07:54] yea [07:54] you will have to get a dell OEM disk [07:54] especially as I have to also figure out which SP it is for [07:54] SP doesnt matter [07:54] not for the key [07:54] I suppose I could just make it so it doesn't need a key :) [07:54] No? Did that change for XP? [07:55] I get MSDN XP disks and my SP1 key wont work with my SP2 disk and vice versa [07:55] nope, it never mattered, MS got sued over selling it for more $$ just for the free SP on the CD [07:55] one of the many reasons I don't use windows [07:55] thats becuase the MSDN keys changed [07:55] ah [07:56] I have like 6 XP keys and use 1 [07:56] all valid licenses [07:56] I have the one that came on my lappy for my wife...and thats it [07:56] lol [07:57] I have 1 for each lappy (2) and like 4 from the school [07:57] ah [07:57] not to mention all the windows server licenses and the vista license from the school [07:57] vista 64 and I did not agree [07:57] vista...ewwww [07:58] I agree [07:58] I work for a MS shop and vista blows [07:58] I have a win 2k VM for the few things I need windows for [07:58] stupid printer [07:58] you didn't set it up with CUPS? [07:59] its works great in 32-bit but for some reason not so well in 64-bit (doesn't print at all) [07:59] even though it should [07:59] hmm [07:59] thats odd [07:59] i'm going to try hooking it up with usb and trying that, but im doubting that will work either [08:00] (its a network MFC) [08:00] the scanner works in 64-bit though [08:00] thats odd [08:00] well, I need to sleep...back to that wonderful client in the morning catch you later tgm4883 and superm1 [08:00] cya foxbuntu [08:00] bye [08:01] superm1, wheres that backup at? [08:11] morning [08:17] morning [08:17] superm1, how is that http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com [08:17] tgm4883, it's almost as though..... you've got the source for the website or something :) [08:17] that was *quick* [08:18] it's good to know that if the site ever goes down again, we can rebuild in < 10 minutes [08:18] yea that was pretty easy [08:18] yea it was [08:18] well wait a sec [08:18] even to a different host [08:18] there was a lot of things i ran into though [08:18] when i installed drupal [08:18] like extra packages ineeded [08:18] how did you not.... [08:19] your backup provided everything I needed [08:19] I didn't have to install drupal [08:19] i mean apt packages that were missing [08:19] what were they for? Perhaps some functionality is missing [08:19] well http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/admin/logs/status comes up clean [08:20] so your system must have had all that was needed [08:20] hmm [08:20] interesting [08:20] yea cause linux.weilanhomes.com and mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com are seperate directories each with their own installation of drupal [08:21] the mythbuntu dir was completely empty when I started [08:21] i bet some of the packages i installed have native variants available [08:21] in the drupal install [08:21] or in apt packaging [08:21] but the apt version is just faster [08:21] or something [08:21] like the python GD toolkit [08:21] and thigns like that [08:21] could be [08:22] perhaps the python gd toolkit is already installed on my host [08:22] well awesome [08:22] yea you used the drupal package for your other drupal install [08:22] so it probably pulled that for you [08:22] i installed from that tar.gz on the webiste [08:22] since it was on dapper [08:22] this is the list of installed software on my host [08:23] PHP4 (more info) 4.4.7 - [08:23] PHP5 (more info) 5.2.3 50203 - [08:23] PERL 5.6 (more info) 5.6.1 /usr/bin/perl [08:23] PERL 5.8 (more info) 5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl5.8 [08:23] Ruby 1.8.6 /usr/local/bin/ruby [08:23] Python 2.4.3 /usr/local/bin/python [08:23] MySQL 4 4.0.27 - [08:23] MySQL 5 5.0.41 - [08:23] ImageMagick - /usr/local/bin [08:23] NetPBM - /usr/local/netpbm/bin [08:23] Zend Optimizer /usr/local/Zend/bin [08:23] Sendmail - /usr/lib/sendmail [08:23] whoa, [08:23] your imagemagick is in an odd place [08:23] that was longer than i thought [08:23] but as long as it was found [08:23] that is one of the big ones [08:23] yea i dont know what OS this runs [08:24] well here let me mark your user as administrator if i can on this install [08:24] on your other server [08:24] so you can see what other stuff i get as permissions [08:24] that you didn't have [08:25] there now all authenticated users on your install can do anything [08:25] sweet [08:25] it feels weird that i'm able to login to your install :) [08:25] and administer it... [08:25] haha [08:26] I can fix that if you like [08:27] ah [08:27] All our servers are running under highly customized RedHat Linux [08:27] I wonder if that means Fedora :) [08:28] well i just got my third +1 on my MOTU app [08:29]