[05:50] <defendguin> superm1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythtv-process-realtime   enjoy
[05:51] <superm1> looks good :)
[05:52] <defendguin> it doesn't look too involved why can't this get in for gutsy?
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> defendguin, i would suppose that would require discussion
[05:54] <superm1> well discussion and testing
[05:54] <superm1> realtime module isn't available directly right now
[05:54] <superm1> running as root (what i was thinkign when you brought this up) isn't safe
[05:54] <defendguin> right
[05:54] <defendguin> i wouldn't do that
[05:55] <superm1> i'm not positive about rlimits
[05:55] <superm1> defendguin, if you want to do some investigation though to see what the best approach to go about here is
[05:55] <superm1> i mean we can try to get this in gutsy
[05:55] <superm1> but given the other things that are left to be finished yet
[05:55] <superm1> i can't commit the time for it myself
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> can it be done without making it root?
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> although
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> defendguin, http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[05:57] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, are there still two buttons? :P
[05:58] <tgm4883_laptop> two buttons for what?
[05:58] <defendguin> tgm4883_laptop: whats your point?
[05:58] <tgm4883_laptop> I was saying you could always commit the time yourself :)
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> to get it into 7.10
[05:59] <defendguin> tgm4883_laptop: i suppose
[06:00] <defendguin> i don't have the proper access to do it all on my own and i don't think you should probably give me that access
[06:01] <superm1> defendguin, just if you can investigate where things need to be changed
[06:01] <superm1> to make it happen
[06:01] <superm1> we'll be glad to put the changes in the proper places
[06:01] <superm1> i don't have write access the archive myself, i make my changes locally, and then have a sponsor commit them
[06:02] <defendguin> ahh
[06:02] <superm1> so just the same
[06:04] <defendguin> i'll see what i can do on monday
[06:04] <superm1> sweet :)
[06:06] <defendguin> well how do i go ahead and benchmark this
[06:06] <defendguin> people will need to see results
[06:06] <superm1> hm
[06:07] <superm1> that i'm not sure
[06:10] <tgm4883_laptop> heh,, there was talk of a mythbench, but thats back in 03
[06:13] <defendguin> is there some sort of fps OSD i can turn on?
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure, I could see benchmarking the database, but i dont really know what you would do to benchmark the OSD
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> your not really looking for FPS out of it
[06:15] <defendguin> right
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> i guess the only thing you could really do in this situation is to time it with a stopwatch
[06:16] <defendguin> lol
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> on a newer faster system, your not going to see much
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> but on an older system you may be able to see a difference
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> and that is the point in doing it right?  For older hardware?
[06:16] <defendguin> exactly
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> so thats how I would do it
[06:17] <defendguin> the 2.4 ghz box is abotu 5 years old
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> ie stopwatchc
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> if you can get your hands on one, i would try about 1 - 1.5
[06:17] <defendguin> i need the backend on that box?
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> not necessaraly, but you should test multiple combinations
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> FE
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> BE
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> FE/BE
[06:19] <defendguin> i have some slower laptops around but obviously i couldn't put a back end on there
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> and you will want to time lots of different things too
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> you can put a back end on their too, as your looking at how fast it interacts with the FE
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ideally you want a tuner in their, but you do with what you got
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> then, for fun, you also benchmark knoppmyth and mythdora :)
[06:20] <defendguin> no
[06:21] <defendguin> those results  have no bearing on our decision
[06:21] <defendguin> no one is creating work for me
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> while it wouldn't have a bearing on our decision, it would be interesting to see how mythbuntu OOB compared to the other performance wise
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> I may do that one myself :)
[06:23] <defendguin> tgm4883_laptop: if you can set up the tests and figure out exactly what to time i'll  see if i can find an old pos laptop
[06:23] <defendguin> assume i have no tuner card
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well i have a 700mhz 384 ram machine that would work perfectly
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> although i would have to pull a tuner for testing
[06:26] <defendguin> i could get my hands on some older dell C610 laptops
[06:26] <defendguin> about 700 mhz about 256mb
[06:30] <defendguin> "MythTV supports real-time scheduling of the video output thread."   so the only thing we can realtime is that one thread
[06:30] <defendguin> ?
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> I broke my mythbox
[06:42] <defendguin> lol
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> i accidently apt-get upgraded
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> and now my firewire wont prime
[06:58] <superm1> tgm4883, did you commit the change?
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> eh im working on it
[06:59] <superm1> mkay
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> im trying to figure out why it is't changing
[06:59] <superm1> well i'm gonna go to bed in an hour or so, since tomorrow is first day of classes :)
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:59] <superm1> you were using $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[06:59] <superm1> right?
[06:59] <superm1> not just /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:00] <superm1> make sure that sed script works right outside the installer?
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to rerun my tests on it
[07:01] <superm1> k
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> so your school starts tomarrow?
[07:03] <superm1> yea
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> wow
[07:03] <superm1> so my time is going to go away quick
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> WOU does't start until Sept 24th
[07:03] <superm1> i've got a few last changes i'm putting into the control centre
[07:04] <superm1> and why i wanted to get the website up this past weekend
[07:04] <superm1> rather than try to wait for imbrandon to come around
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[07:08] <tgm4883> ARG
[07:08] <tgm4883> IDIOT
[07:08] <superm1> what was it?
[07:08] <tgm4883> I now know why it doesn't work
[07:08] <tgm4883> well I was testing it out on my desktop in a test file
[07:08] <tgm4883> so I couldn't grab the $USER
[07:08] <tgm4883> so the line reads
[07:09] <tgm4883> sed '/AutomaticLogin=/ c\AutomaticLogin=mythtv
[07:09] <tgm4883> 	/TimedLogin=/ c\TimedLogin=mythtv' $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf | tee $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf.NEW > /dev/null
[07:09] <tgm4883> which is why it's not working
[07:09] <superm1> wait don't you have that wrong eitehr way
[07:09] <superm1> automatic login should be activated for that $USER
[07:09] <superm1> not for mythtv
[07:09] <tgm4883> right
[07:09] <superm1> its already =mythtv
[07:09] <tgm4883> i put mythtv in there because I was testing it on my desktop
[07:09] <superm1> oh i see
[07:10] <tgm4883> it's been one of those night
[07:10] <tgm4883> where i break everything I touch
[07:10] <tgm4883> also broke my master backend
[07:11] <superm1> well get it working then so something goes right tonight :)
[07:11] <tgm4883> i will, let me make this quick fix and test it again
[07:12] <tgm4883> hmm, this looks a little funky
[07:12] <tgm4883> 	sed '/AutomaticLogin=/ c\AutomaticLogin='$USER'
[07:12] <tgm4883> 	/TimedLogin=/ c\TimedLogin='$USER'' $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf | tee $ROOT/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf.NEW > /dev/null
[07:14] <superm1> looks fine to me
[07:14] <superm1> from wht you said before
[07:15] <tgm4883> superm1, do I want to drop this into /usr/share/ubiquity or /usr/share/ubiquity/mythbuntu?  There is a mythbuntu-apply in both
[07:16] <superm1> tgm4883, there is?
[07:16] <superm1> well that's not good :)
[07:16] <tgm4883> yep
[07:16] <tgm4883> all the scripts are in both
[07:16] <superm1> drop it in both for now
[07:16] <tgm4883> ok
[07:16] <superm1> if they are identical
[07:16] <superm1> let me see if i can figure out why that's happening
[07:21] <foxbuntu> superm1, NO MORE LEARNING!
[07:21] <superm1> huh?
[07:22] <tgm4883> foxbuntu want you to commit 110% of your time to mythbuntu
[07:22] <foxbuntu> I just learned the atomic properties of Acetone and those effects on adding it to Gas
[07:22] <superm1> what'd you do?
[07:22] <tgm4883> arg
[07:22] <tgm4883> it's wrong superm1, the installer just crashed
[07:23] <superm1> tgm4883, okay it appears the ones in /usr/share/ubiquity are the ones that matter
[07:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, I just got to reading a article about how adding 3oz of Acetone (100% Pure Acetone) to 10Gal of gas supposidly can increase fuel mileage by upto 30%
[07:23] <superm1> the ones in /usr/share/ubiquity/mythbuntu/ don't do anything
[07:24] <tgm4883> ok
[07:24] <foxbuntu> and I got to researching the pluasbility of this and ended up learning all about the atomic properties of Gas and Acetone
[07:24] <foxbuntu> my feable brain is soon gonna start purging important things if I keep learning crap I don't need to know
[07:24] <superm1> foxbuntu, something tells me you are wishing you had your old car to try this with, because you don't have he guts to do it on your new one
[07:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, you got that right
[07:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, but this is why I have a lawn mower
[07:25] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:25] <tgm4883> foxbuntu how many MPG do you get on your lawn mower?
[07:25] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 about 473
[07:25] <tgm4883> sweet
[07:26] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:26] <tgm4883> superm1, can I just re run the installer or should I reboot?
[07:26] <superm1> you can rerun it
[07:26] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 reboot
[07:26] <tgm4883> I dropped in mythbuntu-apply, but didn't make it executable
[07:26] <tgm4883> well that appears to be a difference in opinion
[07:26] <superm1> rebooting i quickly learned is a waste of time in a VM
[07:27] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:28] <tgm4883> well lets hope that im wrong and the code is right
[07:28] <tgm4883> because I have a sneaky suspicion that it isn't going to work
[07:28] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 you and I are never wrong
[07:28] <tgm4883> thats what im afraid of foxbuntu
[07:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, is usually wrong
[07:29] <foxbuntu> ;)
[07:29] <tgm4883> cause if im right, that means that I have to figure out the sed command on a  single line
[07:29] <tgm4883> i suppose we will know in a couple minutes
[07:30] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, what is wrong with my backend :(
[07:30] <foxbuntu> whats the problem? I have probably caused it at least once before
[07:31] <tgm4883> I accidently did an apt-get upgrade, then I rebooted and now my firewire wont prime
[07:31] <foxbuntu> did you change kernels?
[07:32] <tgm4883> dont remember, is there a command to see what was last installed?
[07:32] <tgm4883> I probably did, as I usually don't upgrade that machine
[07:32] <foxbuntu> do a uname -r and paste results here
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2.6.20-15-generic
[07:33] <foxbuntu> prob a kernel update but the same one
[07:33] <tgm4883> it's not even that it wont prime as usual.  It sits there and says P2P:  Testing...
[07:33] <foxbuntu> hmm
[07:33] <tgm4883> usually when it wont prime it just fails all the tests
[07:34] <foxbuntu> so its hanging now rather than failing
[07:34] <tgm4883> vm is rebooting now
[07:34] <tgm4883> yes
[07:34] <foxbuntu> oh this is in a VM?
[07:34] <tgm4883> no
[07:34] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:34] <tgm4883> sorry, doing 2 things at once
[07:35] <tgm4883> the vm is for mythbuntu
[07:35] <foxbuntu> gotcha
[07:35] <tgm4883> the firewire is my main system
[07:35] <tgm4883> if it was a vm, i'd have no problem wiping it and starting from scratch
[07:36] <tgm4883> yes!!!! Sweet vindication!!!!!  Superm1, it works
[07:36] <superm1> :)
[07:36] <superm1> okay commit the change
[07:36] <tgm4883> im logged into the jelly-desktop
[07:36] <superm1> and then i'll commit mine and leave the note for the installer team to sync us
[07:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, any thoughts on this firewire thing?
[07:37] <superm1> foxbuntu, i haven't used firewire for more than a year now, things have changed with how its done
[07:37] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:37] <foxbuntu> and I have never used it
[07:38] <tgm4883> wheres majoridiot when we need him?  (he helped me setup the firewire many months ago
[07:38] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:38] <superm1> he said earlier this summer he'll be back around august-september or so
[07:38] <tgm4883> am I supposed to do anything when bzrlog pops up?
[07:39] <superm1> bzrlog?
[07:39] <tgm4883> because I think I put my changes in their last time
[07:39] <superm1> mine comes up way different
[07:39] <superm1> i dont know why you and foxbuntu get a different bzr thing
[07:39] <tgm4883> well after I bzr commit, nano pops up with .../mythbuntu/mythbuntu-ubiquity/bzr_log.t70Dn-
[07:39] <superm1> oh right
[07:39] <superm1> that's normal
[07:39] <superm1> okay
[07:39] <superm1> yea put your message in
[07:40] <tgm4883> ok
[07:40] <superm1> you did it right before
[07:41] <tgm4883> and done
[07:42] <tgm4883> im committed superm1
[07:42] <superm1> okay great
[07:42] <foxbuntu> really?
[07:42] <tgm4883> yep
[07:42] <foxbuntu> where to?
[07:42] <tgm4883> bellvue
[07:43] <foxbuntu> really, thats funny, I am watching Smallville right now
[07:43] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:43] <foxbuntu> I hope its not a long drive to Kansas to visit superm1 there
[07:43] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:44] <foxbuntu> superm1, do they have Wifi there for you?
[07:44] <superm1> huh?
[07:44] <superm1> kansas?
[07:44] <superm1> i'm very confused
[07:44] <foxbuntu> lmao
[07:44] <foxbuntu> I made a joke and you missed it
[07:44] <foxbuntu> read back up like 10 lines
[07:45] <tgm4883> hmm, interesting, now it made it though 7 P2P: Testing....failed until it hung
[07:45] <superm1> right but i dont get it
[07:45] <superm1> i've never watched smallville
[07:45] <superm1> why would i be in kansas?
[07:45] <tgm4883> it's about this ville thats kinda small
[07:46] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 said he commited you, I asked where he said Bellvue which is the funny farm in the show Smallville
[07:46] <foxbuntu> which is based in Kansas
[07:46] <tgm4883> ARG, IDIOT
[07:46] <tgm4883> I fixed my firewire problem
[07:46] <foxbuntu> GOD!
[07:46] <foxbuntu> oh?
[07:46] <foxbuntu> plug it in?
[07:46] <tgm4883> see, one of those nights
[07:46] <tgm4883> nope
[07:46] <foxbuntu> power it on?
[07:46] <tgm4883> helps if the STB is tuned to a valid channel
[07:46] <foxbuntu> lmao
[07:47] <tgm4883> I usually prime on 703, not today though.  Today I try on 806
[07:47] <foxbuntu> oops
[07:47] <tgm4883> see what scripts do to me superm1
[07:47] <superm1> well tgm4883 welcome to my world :)
[07:48] <tgm4883> theres no place like home
[07:48] <foxbuntu> superm1, what time is your first class in the morning?
[07:48] <tgm4883> theres no place like home
[07:48] <tgm4883> theres no place like home
[07:48] <superm1> eh i should look that up
[07:48] <superm1> early i bet
[07:48] <superm1> earlier than i want to get up
[07:48] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:48] <foxbuntu> now comn...thats slacker talk...only room for one of those here...and I am the best
[07:49] <foxbuntu> superm1, how many credits do you have to take this semester??
[07:50] <superm1> well i'm in 19 right now
[07:50] <superm1> but will be auditing one course i believe
[07:50] <tgm4883> 19!
[07:50] <foxbuntu> you are crzy
[07:50] <superm1> so probably closer to 15 or 16
[07:50] <superm1> like i said, i wanted to get the big stuff for mythbuntu done while i had the time :)
[07:51] <foxbuntu> indeed
[07:51] <foxbuntu> I found out I will prob be workin alot of overtime in the near future
[07:52] <foxbuntu> that client I have been working for...well...I am going to be rebuilding their network from the ground up
[07:52] <tgm4883> now its a pain to get files from there
[07:52] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, thats always fun
[07:52] <tgm4883> I have to "aquire" a Win 2K server disk for a client
[07:52] <tgm4883> one that works with their CD key
[07:52] <foxbuntu> yea espically when it has to be done seamless, and they have 200+ servers and 2000+ users to deal with
[07:53] <foxbuntu> what type of key do they have?
[07:53] <foxbuntu> Open License VLK?
[07:53] <foxbuntu> or Retail?
[07:53] <superm1> tgm4883, if you want a local copy of the backup for mythbuntu.org to play on, i can point you at the backup for it
[07:53] <tgm4883> its a regular window 2000 server key, thats on the side of their dell server
[07:54] <foxbuntu> oh that blows
[07:54] <tgm4883> yea
[07:54] <foxbuntu> you will have to get a dell OEM disk
[07:54] <tgm4883> especially as I have to also figure out which SP it is for
[07:54] <foxbuntu> SP doesnt matter
[07:54] <foxbuntu> not for the key
[07:54] <tgm4883> I suppose I could just make it so it doesn't need a key :)
[07:54] <tgm4883> No?  Did that change for XP?
[07:55] <tgm4883> I get MSDN XP disks and my SP1 key wont work with my SP2 disk and vice versa
[07:55] <foxbuntu> nope, it never mattered, MS got sued over selling it for more $$ just for the free SP on the CD
[07:55] <tgm4883> one of the many reasons I don't use windows
[07:55] <foxbuntu> thats becuase the MSDN keys changed
[07:55] <tgm4883> ah
[07:56] <tgm4883> I have like 6 XP keys and use 1
[07:56] <tgm4883> all valid licenses
[07:56] <foxbuntu> I have the one that came on my lappy for my wife...and thats it
[07:56] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:57] <tgm4883> I have 1 for each lappy (2) and like 4 from the school
[07:57] <foxbuntu> ah
[07:57] <tgm4883> not to mention all the windows server licenses and the vista license from the school
[07:57] <tgm4883> vista 64 and I did not agree
[07:57] <foxbuntu> vista...ewwww
[07:58] <tgm4883> I agree
[07:58] <foxbuntu> I work for a MS shop and vista blows
[07:58] <tgm4883> I have a win 2k VM for the few things I need windows for
[07:58] <tgm4883> stupid printer
[07:58] <foxbuntu> you didn't set it up with CUPS?
[07:59] <tgm4883> its works great in 32-bit but for some reason not so well in 64-bit (doesn't print at all)
[07:59] <tgm4883> even though it should
[07:59] <foxbuntu> hmm
[07:59] <foxbuntu> thats odd
[07:59] <tgm4883> i'm going to try hooking it up with usb and trying that, but im doubting that will work either
[08:00] <tgm4883> (its a network MFC)
[08:00] <tgm4883> the scanner works in 64-bit though
[08:00] <foxbuntu> thats odd
[08:00] <foxbuntu> well, I need to sleep...back to that wonderful client in the morning catch you later tgm4883 and superm1
[08:00] <superm1>  cya foxbuntu
[08:00] <tgm4883> bye
[08:01] <tgm4883> superm1, wheres that backup at?
[08:11] <cann> morning
[08:17] <tgm4883> morning
[08:17] <tgm4883> superm1, how is that http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com
[08:17] <superm1> tgm4883, it's almost as though..... you've got the source for the website or something :)
[08:17] <superm1> that was *quick*
[08:18] <tgm4883> it's good to know that if the site ever goes down again, we can rebuild in < 10 minutes
[08:18] <superm1> yea that was pretty easy
[08:18] <tgm4883> yea it was
[08:18] <superm1> well wait a sec
[08:18] <tgm4883> even to a different host
[08:18] <superm1> there was a lot of things i ran into though
[08:18] <superm1> when i installed drupal
[08:18] <superm1> like extra packages  ineeded
[08:18] <superm1> how did you not....
[08:19] <tgm4883> your backup provided everything I needed
[08:19] <tgm4883> I didn't have to install drupal
[08:19] <superm1> i mean apt packages that were missing
[08:19] <tgm4883> what were they for?  Perhaps some functionality is missing
[08:19] <superm1> well http://mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com/admin/logs/status comes up clean
[08:20] <superm1> so your system must have had all that was needed
[08:20] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:20] <tgm4883> interesting
[08:20] <tgm4883> yea cause linux.weilanhomes.com and mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com are seperate directories each with their own installation of drupal
[08:21] <tgm4883> the mythbuntu dir was completely empty when I started
[08:21] <superm1> i bet some of the packages i installed have native variants available
[08:21] <superm1> in the drupal install
[08:21] <superm1> or in apt packaging
[08:21] <superm1> but the apt version is just faster
[08:21] <superm1> or something
[08:21] <superm1> like the python GD toolkit
[08:21] <superm1> and thigns like that
[08:21] <tgm4883> could be
[08:22] <tgm4883> perhaps the python gd toolkit is already installed on my host
[08:22] <superm1> well awesome
[08:22] <superm1> yea you used the drupal package for your other drupal install
[08:22] <superm1> so it probably pulled that for you
[08:22] <superm1> i installed from that tar.gz on the webiste
[08:22] <superm1> since it was on dapper
[08:22] <tgm4883> this is the list of installed software on my host
[08:23] <tgm4883> PHP4 (more info)  	4.4.7  	-
[08:23] <tgm4883> PHP5 (more info) 	5.2.3 50203 	-
[08:23] <tgm4883> PERL 5.6 (more info) 	5.6.1 	/usr/bin/perl
[08:23] <tgm4883> PERL 5.8 (more info) 	5.8.8 	/usr/bin/perl5.8
[08:23] <tgm4883> Ruby 	1.8.6 	/usr/local/bin/ruby
[08:23] <tgm4883> Python 	2.4.3 	/usr/local/bin/python
[08:23] <tgm4883> MySQL 4 	4.0.27 	-
[08:23] <tgm4883> MySQL 5 	5.0.41 	-
[08:23] <tgm4883> ImageMagick 	- 	/usr/local/bin
[08:23] <tgm4883> NetPBM 	- 	/usr/local/netpbm/bin
[08:23] <tgm4883> Zend Optimizer 		/usr/local/Zend/bin
[08:23] <tgm4883> Sendmail 	- 	/usr/lib/sendmail
[08:23] <tgm4883> whoa,
[08:23] <superm1> your imagemagick is in an odd place
[08:23] <tgm4883> that was longer than i thought
[08:23] <superm1> but as long as it was found
[08:23] <superm1> that is one of the big ones
[08:23] <tgm4883> yea i dont know what OS this runs
[08:24] <superm1> well here let me mark your user as administrator if i can on this install
[08:24] <superm1> on your other server
[08:24] <superm1> so you can see what other stuff i get as permissions
[08:24] <superm1> that you didn't have
[08:25] <superm1> there now all authenticated users on your install can do anything
[08:25] <tgm4883> sweet
[08:25] <superm1> it feels weird that i'm able to login to your install :)
[08:25] <superm1> and administer it...
[08:25] <superm1> haha
[08:26] <tgm4883> I can fix that if you like
[08:27] <tgm4883> ah
[08:27] <tgm4883> All our servers are running under highly customized RedHat Linux
[08:27] <tgm4883> I wonder if that means Fedora :)
[08:28] <superm1> well i just got my third +1 on my MOTU app
[08:29] <tgm4883> sweet
[08:29] <superm1> I think that means that as of tomorrow i'm a MOTU :)
[08:29] <tgm4883> right on :)
[08:29] <tgm4883> now I can bug you to look at packages :)
[08:29] <superm1> yup :)
[08:31] <tgm4883> alright, well its late and im going to bed.  Good luck in your classes tomarrow and congradulations on becoming MOTU superm1
[08:32] <superm1> thanks!
[08:32] <superm1> i should get to bed soon too :)
[08:32] <tgm4883> at least on mythbuntu.weilandhomes.com
[08:32] <superm1> hehe
[09:01] <tgm4883_laptop> If you use mytharchive, does that increase the likelyhood of a show being deleted?  Even if the show is set to never expire?
[09:11] <OpenMedia> If it is set to never expire it should never get deleted.
[10:11] <DaveMorris> I see gentoo ebuilds are moving to svn for mythtv now
[11:50] <Rimers> hi guys, anyone here that can tell me how to get LCDd to start before mythtv-backend at system startup?
[11:51] <laga> Rimers: you need to adjust the order in /etc/rcX.d/ where X is your runlevel
[11:51] <Rimers> okay, thanks
[11:51] <laga> Rimers: if lcdd is indeed started before mythtv-backend, please file a bug against the mythtv packages
[11:52] <Rimers> ill have a look in a minute, waiting for a package to finish installing here
[11:54] <DaveMorris> whats lcdd?
[11:55] <Rimers> LCD display server
[11:55] <Rimers> or deamon
[11:55] <DaveMorris> this is instead of gdm/kdm/xdm or ontop?
[11:56] <DaveMorris> oh, its those 16x4 lcd displays
[11:56] <DaveMorris> I was thinking like an LCD monitor/tv
[11:58] <laga> heh
[12:02] <Rimers> yup, got a silverstone case with a 16*2 display, got it working correctly yesterday, but after a reboot its just showing the LCDproc server status and not the status of the mythlcdserver as it did when i shutdown the system last night
[12:08] <Rimers> hmm need to reboot, got a compiz problem on my laptop :S
[12:30] <Rimers> hmm problem not solved with compiz on laptop, so removed it
[12:32] <Rimers> im looking at the rc*.d now and i see LCDd as S60 but Mythbackend as S20,, should i make LCDd S18 then?
[12:32] <laga> yes
[12:32] <Rimers> okay :)
[12:35] <DaveMorris> Whats the difference between K and S ones?
[12:35] <Rimers> K is kill and S is start
[12:35] <Rimers> as far as i found out
[12:36] <Rimers> read somthing about it on the ubuntu site just now, and found a nice app to keep track of them, sysvconfig
[12:37] <DaveMorris> I should create one to restart my buildbot on a machine restart but I've been too busy
[12:38] <DaveMorris> btw there is a mythbuntu group now on facebook if you wanna join.  mythbuntu is sooooo web 2.0 :)
[12:39] <Rimers> yay problem solved :) LCD is working as intended now :D
[12:39] <laga> Rimers: plz file a bug report kthx
[12:40] <Rimers> will do,, have a bit to learn here with bug reports and all :D
[12:40] <Rimers> DaveMorris: what is this facebook? never heard about it before.
[12:41] <DaveMorris> its a social networking site
[12:42] <Rimers> ah okay, facebook.com?
[12:42] <DaveMorris> yeah, different sites are popular in different countries, and Facebook is the popular one in the UK
[12:43] <laga> i never know why i would wanna socialize on the internet. i already spend too much time there, i'd rather go out to meet people
[12:43] <DaveMorris> laga: same, mine just pulls in my blog/google shared items/dugg details/twitter
[12:46] <Rimers> ah nice, well ppl should be on linked in too, now that i find usefull
[12:46] <DaveMorris> url?
[12:46] <Rimers> linkedin.com i think
[12:47] <Rimers> yup thats it
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I googled for ' linked in too'
[12:47] <Rimers> aah :)
[12:47] <Rimers> so my fault :D
[12:47] <DaveMorris> These sites all need to break the walls down so you can link to friends on other sites etc
[12:47] <Rimers> i can invite you if you want, got a nice network inthere allready
[12:48] <Rimers> well linked in can be used as a work related thing too, so ppl can find the right programmer og entrepanur for the job
[12:49] <Rimers> not sure of that last spelling, but if its wrong ill go patent it :)
[12:49] <laga> entrepreneur?
[12:49] <Rimers> make it mine :S hmmm i must be tired
[12:49] <Rimers> yup
[12:52] <Rimers> hmm laga i might need some help on the bug report thing,,,,, if nothing else a site where to report it
[12:53] <Rimers> thought you would have a link to it from the mythbuntu site, but so far i have not been able to locate it
[12:54] <laga> Rimers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythtv/
[12:54] <Rimers> allright, thanks
[12:55] <Rimers> so i guess its same as when posting on forums, search first, if nothing found report,,, right?
[01:00] <DaveMorris> I've not seen it on the bug reports
[01:00] <Rimers> okay, i just made a search to check before i went further, but now im waiting for a mail to arive
[01:18] <Rimers> yay, i have reported my first bug :)
[01:18] <Rimers> not realy a bug, but anyway
[01:25] <Rimers> DaveMorris: im on the facebook now, but cant find the mythbuntu group
[01:30] <cornell-w> Morning DaveMorris, hope you had a good weekend.
[01:31] <cornell-w> Mine wasn't has productive as I'd hoped...  I'd spent much more time working the tables than I'd wanted to.  But they seem to be working.
[01:55] <Rimers> hmm a nice little netsplit
[02:26] <cornell-work> Sorry... seem to've gotten lost
[02:37] <DaveMorris> yeah irc had a net split
[02:39] <laga> yeah
[02:39] <laga> mircsplit..
[02:45] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 or superm1.  For me to download the backup's can I simply just get everyfile in the backup dir and you guys do the housekeeping, or do I need to get each file.  I'd rather have a script do it for me each night, so the 1st method would be prefered
[03:23] <cornell-work> Did I miss an answer about the directory structure?  (I don't even know for what phrase to google)
[03:23] <DaveMorris> I didn't see the question
[03:51] <DaveMorris>  tgm4883 or superm1.  For me to download the backup's can I simply just get everyfile in the backup dir and you guys do the housekeeping, or do I need to get each file.  I'd rather have a script do it for me each night, so the 1st method would be prefered
[03:51] <superm1> morning DaveMorris
[03:51] <laga> morning superm1
[03:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, they are weekly backups
[03:51] <superm1> and put into tgz's for the date
[03:51] <laga> <- afk, gotta buy some parts at our local electronics store (yay!)
[03:52] <DaveMorris> ok, so I just need to produce the date in my script
[03:52] <laga> BTW, can someone create an account on mythbuntu.org for me? username: laga, email: laga@laga.ath.cx
[03:52] <DaveMorris> cheers
[03:52] <laga> bye
[03:52] <superm1> DaveMorris, I pm'ed you the cron job that I use
[03:52] <superm1> you can adjust to make it work for yours
[03:54] <superm1> laga sure
[04:05] <cornell-work> DaveMorris: To skip the gory details... My recollection is that, on the knoppmyth, I'd specify a default path in the settings, /mythtv.  Under that path would be created many directories, including /mythtv/tv which held the recorded tv files.
[04:06] <DaveMorris> so the paths all needed changing
[04:06] <cornell-work> When I installed mythbuntu, I accepted the default of /var/lib/myth/recordings/ and mounted my old directories under same, so I have a /var/lib/myt/recordings/tv.
[04:07] <cornell-work> Well... it seems the paths aren't kept in the database, just the file names, and it's looking under /var/lib/myth/recordings for my tv files,  not .../recordings/tv.
[04:08] <DaveMorris> so you just needed to move them up a dir then
[04:08] <cornell-work> So... if /var/lib/myth/recordings is the default path, and the tv recordings go there, where do video, music, whatever recordings go?  Do they get mixed up with the tv files, or are there other default path settings I need to make that I haven't found?
[04:08] <DaveMorris> superm1: ^^
[04:09] <cornell-work> So I'd asked about what the directory structure was supposed to look like.
[04:17] <DaveMorris> did you get the answer?
[04:57] <cornell-work> Did I get the answer?  Moving them up a level?  That'll solve the current problem of accessing them but leaves hanging the question of where do videos, etc. go?  Same  recordings directory, or are there other settings I'm missing?
[05:01] <DaveMorris> as far as I know they are set in the mythvideo/mythmusic settings part
[05:01] <DaveMorris> which are frontend specfic
[05:02] <DaveMorris> there is a default place for them set by mythbuntu, but I changed it can can't remember
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> OpenMediaSupport, thats what I thought, but they got deleted anyway.  I'm wondering if archiving them sticks them at the bottom of the auto expire list
[05:03] <cornell-work> Ah... ok... cool.
[05:03] <cornell-work> Thanks DaveMorris :-)
[05:03] <DaveMorris> np
[05:05] <DaveMorris> we should prob provide a meta package to move someone from ubuntu+mythtv to mythbuntu thinking about it
[05:07] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, doesn't the control centre do that automatically?
[05:07] <DaveMorris> not sure
[05:07] <tgm4883> i think it does
[05:08] <tgm4883> although it would have to be a gutsy system
[08:44] <tgm4883> superm1 how is class?
[08:44] <superm1> just got back
[08:45] <superm1> not too bad today
[08:45] <tgm4883> thats good
[08:45] <superm1> tgm4883, did you see my post on unofficial mythbuntu.org :)
[08:46] <tgm4883> nice
[08:46] <tgm4883> i just saw it
[08:48] <superm1> tgm4883, play with the image uploading that's in place on your test site
[08:48] <superm1> it's a pretty neat function
[08:49] <superm1> especially since it's configured right now
[08:49] <superm1> you can do massive uploads of lots of images
[08:49] <superm1> by ftp/scp them in, and then import them into a gallery
[08:49] <tgm4883> nice
[08:50] <tgm4883> that could prove beneficial as right now its a pain to upload pictures to www.weilandhomes.com
[08:50] <tgm4883> cause the jave applet doesn't work right
[08:50] <superm1> there is a nicer version too
[08:50] <superm1> that you can do batch uploads
[08:50] <tgm4883> currently I use gallery 1
[08:50] <superm1> the 'gallery2' module
[08:51] <tgm4883> lol
[08:51] <superm1> haha
[08:51] <tgm4883> i never got around to getting G2 to work right with the site theme
[08:51] <tgm4883> G2 doesn't have html_wrap
[08:54] <superm1> well G2 integrates right into drupal
[08:54] <superm1> so it follows your theme
[08:54] <superm1> for drupal
[08:54] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet, now I just have to fix the theme so it works i drupal
[08:55] <superm1> you'll have to play with it to make sure you don't hit any oddities with it, but its "supposed" to work :)
[08:55] <superm1> i didn't setup gallery2 on mythbuntu.org since it seemed like overkill
[08:55] <superm1> when the image module can handle so much
[08:56] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, probably is overkill
[08:56] <tgm4883_laptop> but since i now know about drupal, it may help me out :)
[08:56] <superm1> if you find any nice plugins for drupal
[08:56] <superm1> in your experimentation
[08:57] <superm1> let me know
[08:57] <superm1> or even install them on the test site
[08:57] <superm1> and see how well they work
[09:07] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, is there a way to see why a package is being held back?
[09:07] <superm1> sure there is
[09:07] <tgm4883_laptop> and I need to woo the answer out of you?
[09:07] <superm1> haha
[09:07] <tgm4883_laptop> supem1, you rock
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> your the bomb diggity no doubt
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> your my favorite MOTu
[09:08] <superm1> do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:08] <superm1> and it will try harder
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> nope, still didn't work
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> didn't look like it tried harder either
[09:09] <superm1> you can try with aptitude then
[09:09] <superm1> or just try to install it
[09:09] <superm1> its also possible dependencies for it aren't out yet
[09:09] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[09:09] <tgm4883_laptop> synaptic tells me
[09:10] <tgm4883_laptop> Depends: libwnck18 (>=2.15.90) but it is not installable
[09:10] <tgm4883_laptop> there should be a  way to see that in the command line though
[09:12] <superm1> okay i've got some other errands to run today.  i'll be back around later on or so
[09:21] <seabag> hey guys, i've got something interesting
[09:22] <laga> ORLY?
[09:22] <seabag> yarly! :D
[09:22] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: do you know where i can login on mythbuntu.org?
[09:23] <tgm4883> its right on the front page
[09:23] <seabag> i've got senior citizens cable, which means i only get about 20 channels (10 Jesus channels, 10 shopping channels, that's it!). i run a channel scan and it works fine, but every time i run mythfilldatabase, it overwrites the channel scan and re-adds all channels.
[09:23] <tgm4883> laga, http://www.mythbuntu.org/user
[09:24] <laga> thx
[09:27] <troy_s> superm1: You in my brother?
[09:30] <laga> seabag: have you chedk mythfilldatabase --help?
[09:31] <laga> checked*
[09:31] <seabag> no.. it just seems strange that it would do this by default. i'll read more on it.
[09:47] <seabag> laga, ok i read the --help, they mentioned doing a "nondestructive update", which is --update... except it still destroyed my lineup
[09:47] <laga> seabag: can't you deactive those channels in the zap2it lineup?
[09:48] <seabag> possibly, but why is there a channel scan in mythtv? :-\
[09:52] <seabag> ok laga , yes you can deactivate them. i'm going to report a bug about it letting mythfilldatabase destroy (and thus negate) your scanned channel functionality, though
[09:59] <laga> seabag: i'm installing mythtv to take a look at mfdb myself
[10:00] <seabag> :)
[10:00] <seabag> neat
[10:01] <laga> takes some time, though
[10:01] <laga> 40s left..
[10:06] <seabag> k
[10:08] <laga> --remove-new-channels When using DataDirect, ask mythfilldatabase to remove new channels (those not in the database) from the DataDirect lineup.  These channels are removed from the lineup as if you had done so via the DataDirect website's Lineup Wizard, but may be re-added manually and incorporated into MythTV by running mythfilldatabase without this option.  New channels are automatically removed
[10:08] <laga>  fr DVmB and HDTV sources that use DataDirect.
[10:19] <seabag> hmm.... the plot thickens: i updated my channels on zap2it labs' site, went back, did a channel scan, ran mythfilldatabase, and it still destroys my channel lineup. i'm going to try removenewchannels and see what it does now
[11:04] <seabag> laga, still same thing :(
[11:22] <seabag> ok laga, well i'm going to format or something and try again... i tried everything on mythfilldatabase
[11:22] <seabag> maybe there's some kind of a conf file i need to delete?
[11:23] <seabag> i'll check back tomorrow... take care and thanks a lot!
[11:25] <seabag> :D
[11:25] <superm1> keescook, you here?
[11:33] <keescook> superm1: yawp
[11:33] <keescook> (though delayed)
[11:33] <superm1> keescook, i just got an invite to schedules direct, so i'm going to do some test builds with the patches
[11:33] <keescook> oooh!
[11:33] <superm1> it looks like some of them are dependent on old patches
[11:33] <superm1> though
[11:34] <superm1> so as for the SRU's, might have to bring them all up to current versions
[11:34] <superm1> (invite in the sense that i can sign up early: i've still gotta pay :S)
[11:34] <keescook> whoa.  that's .... very scary
[11:35] <superm1> i'll see how cleanly things really will be applying after i test on the gutsy version.
[11:36] <superm1> the other problem is how long will it typically take to process an SRU?
[11:36] <superm1> the final patches aren't done yet (mythtv bug 3482 is still open)
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3482 in kernel-package "Usb null pointer (dup-of: 3115)" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3482
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3115 in linux-source-2.6.12 "Kernel oops when unplugging USB device" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3115
[11:45] <superm1> keescook, a problem is that it appears that they want to bump the myth binary version number, and it's dependent on changes from the current  protocol version
[11:46] <keescook> SRU verification takes 7 days....
[11:46] <keescook> whoa, seriously?  That's madness
[11:47] <keescook> isn't it just another fetching tool?
[11:47] <keescook> why the need for insano protocol changes?
[11:48] <superm1> well i just poked in #mythtv, they said it won't apply to anything but recent code
[11:49] <keescook> can you explain our needs to them?  i.e. a pre-existing stable installation base.  I worry they will be ... not helpful.
[11:54] <superm1> keescook, it appears that it's not going to be possible
[11:54] <superm1> they will be announcing a 0.20.2 release next week
[11:54] <keescook> wow, that's ... going to be difficult for us.
[11:55] <keescook> SRUs are expected to be "minimal patches" too...
[11:55] <superm1> then backports might be the only way to go
[11:56] <keescook> or perhaps mythtv becomes a new exception to the SRU process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[11:56] <superm1> well do mind that these are only backported fixes
[11:56] <superm1> no new features
[11:56] <superm1> in the 0.major.X revisions
[11:56] <keescook> that's true.
[11:57] <keescook> so no new database or anything?
[11:57] <keescook> but they said the protocol version is changing?
[11:57] <superm1> well the protocol version bumped some time back
[11:57] <keescook> that's not a very "minor" fix.
[11:57] <superm1> around feisty
[11:57] <superm1> so edgy packages would then be affected by that
[11:58] <keescook> I think what we need then is: a diff between feisty and current, ask the TB for an exception, and go from there...
[11:58] <superm1> well i'll get this set of patches tested on gutsy with my newly made SD account and see how things are looking first.
[11:58] <keescook> cool.  let me know if I can help test feisty.
[11:58] <superm1> and then put off making the SRU's until 0.20.2 is actually announced
[11:59] <superm1> they said sometime next week
[11:59] <superm1> possibly end of this week
[12:00] <keescook> we're cutting it close to sept 1.  :P
[12:00] <superm1> you know this really brings to my mind the whole thought sabdfl brought up at ULive about how projects need to learn to collaborate releases better
[12:00] <superm1> the only way this could have been worse timing is if it came out after sept 1 :)
[12:10] <superm1> there is at least 14 days of data after sept 1st though
[12:32] <cornell> Um...  I've a vg mounted as /var/lib/mythtv/recordings.  I want it to be /var/lib/mythtv.  I'm thinking, umount /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and then mount it, but the umount doesn't work... "device is busy"
[12:32] <cornell> Now I'm thinking, change /etc/fstab from /dev/vg/myth    /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ext3    defaults  to /dev/vg/myth    /var/lib/mythtv ext3    defaults
[12:32] <cornell> Sound right?