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=== Topic for #ubuntu-server: Ubuntu Server discussion and support | for general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu | Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
=== Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by nealmcb at Sat Jul 7 23:04:50 2007
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dho_ragusanybody in here ever set up lithium-core in ubuntu?08:34
dho_ragusi tried it once and it b0rked, so i'm trying from scratch in a vm... just want reassurance that there's hope of getting this to work.08:34
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krautmoin09:57
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AnRkeyHow can I completely remove apache2 and php with all config files and reinstall from scratch with fresh configs?10:35
AnRkeyI have tried deleting my /etc/apache210:35
AnRkeyand I have also tried dpkg -P apache210:36
krautAnRkey: apt-get remove --purge $packagename11:34
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juliuxmorning11:55
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AnRkeykraut will that remove everything?12:01
AnRkeydamn i just realised that I can't get into the box from work12:01
AnRkeywill have to try later today12:01
krautAnRkey: man apt-get12:05
AnRkeykraut, thats not funny mate, would not be here if i had not tried that12:25
krautAnRkey: you can't open the man-page and search the section, where --purge is described?!12:25
AnRkeyi have purged using dpkg already12:27
AnRkeyi think it's a package problem12:27
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krautanyone has got a good sudo+ldap howto?01:23
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rbrunhubercan anybody help me with a locale problem on ubuntu-server?01:49
rbrunhuberThere are no LC and LANG related variables and update complained about this. So how can I configure them correctly?01:50
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ScottKrbrunhuber: You have to set the locale.  I don't recall the exact command (it's not hard, but I'm on my first cup of coffee still).  I expect it you Google locale LC LANG set you'll get it.02:16
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sommermorning all02:36
mathiazhi sommer 02:37
infinityScottK: What was he asking how to do?  It's long since left my scrollback.02:38
ScottKYes.02:39
ScottK[07:49]  <rbrunhuber> can anybody help me with a locale problem on ubuntu-server?02:39
ScottK[07:50]  <rbrunhuber> There are no LC and LANG related variables and update complained about this. So how can I configure them correctly?02:39
infinityErr.02:39
infinityA fresh install should reall have some reasonably happy locales going on already.02:40
infinityreally*02:40
ScottKIt should, I agree.  IIRC there's a bug about that somewhere.02:41
infinityI meant "should" as in "it does".02:42
infinityUnless the problem here is, as I suspect, that it doesn't have HIS locale configured out of the box.  When you ssh from A to B, ssh takes the locale with it.02:42
ScottKRight.  That would do it too.02:42
infinityadconrad@cthulhu:~$ LANG=jp_JP ssh lucifer02:43
infinityLinux lucifer 2.6.15.4 #1 Fri Feb 10 23:07:22 EST 2006 ppc02:43
infinityLast login: Mon Aug 20 22:42:47 2007 from cthulhu.0c3.net02:43
infinity(base)adconrad@lucifer:~$ locale 2>/dev/null02:43
infinityLANG=jp_JP02:43
infinityLC_CTYPE="jp_JP"02:43
infinity...02:43
infinityWe can't "fix" that, that's not a bug.02:43
infinityAnd installing all locales by default on a fresh install ain't gonna happen. :)02:43
ScottKAgreed.02:44
ScottKBTW, have you gotten to the "Failed to upload" e-mail I sent you last week yet?02:44
infinity...02:44
infinityWhen last week?02:44
ScottKYes.02:45
infinityI haven't checked my mail yet today (or all weekend), and I was sick on Friday.02:45
ScottKSent on Friday.02:45
ScottKOK.02:45
infinityThat was "when last week", not "when, last week?" :)02:45
ScottKRight.02:45
ScottKFri, 17 Aug 2007 09:19:52 -0400 to be specific.02:46
infinityLet me go argue with mutt right now about how 3 days away from email really shouldn't mean 1300 new messages, so it's clearly mistaken.02:46
ScottKOK.  It's not any kind of a crisis, so whenever you can get to it.  02:47
infinityThe argument needed to happen anyway.02:47
infinityWe have it every morning, really.02:47
ScottKThe package has a pending revision, so if something needs to be done in the package, it'd be good to get it into it rather than have another problem.02:47
ScottKWho usually wins?02:48
infinityIt always wins, by pointing out that I have a highly-publicised email address and, hey, procmail already filtered several thousand more to other folders, and spamassassin deleted a few million, so what am I complaining about really?02:48
ScottKAh, that kind of argument.  I understand.02:48
ScottKI'm coming up on 10 years with the same e-mail address, so stuff does pile up.02:49
infinityI've had this domain since 1995 or something, but the real killer is the publicity of Debian/Apache/Freedesktop/Ubuntu/ARGH.02:50
infinityMy email address just exists in too many very well-indexed places.02:50
infinityWell, and the secondary problem where, once I run my visual spam filter over the day's mail, I still realise that I have several hundred real messages that weren't easily procmailable (ie: not lists, bugs, etc, but real, honest-to-god, personal communication)02:52
infinityCoworkers, community, Debian developers, blah blah blah.02:52
infinityNot enough hours in the day anymore.02:52
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cloviswhi, i installed the Ubuntu Server 7.04 for AMD64 on a IBM System x3105, and on boot get the message "ck804xrom_init_one(): Unable to register resource 0x00000000ffb00000-0x00000000ffffffff - kernel bug?" how to find the reason or solution for this message?02:57
infinityScottK2: Okay, I was expecting that to be a binary reject due to something you broke in the package.. But it looks like you've tickled a soyuz bug.  Lucky you.03:00
ScottK2Yeah.03:00
infinityclovisw: Does it affect the system at all, or does the message just scare you03:01
infinity?03:01
ScottK2infinity: So what to do?  Upload the revision and hope?03:01
infinityScottK2: A new source upload should be fine.  I still want to figure this out.03:02
ScottK2OK.  We still have a few questions for the packager (who isn't a MOTU) so it'll be a bit.  Good luck.03:02
sommeranyone work for a College?  If so I'm wondering if you let retired professors keep their email accounts?03:03
cloviswinfinity: its my first install of Ubuntu to test, and i dont like to see this message on boot, i'm installing the server to run as a MaxDB server for developement03:03
cloviswinfinity: install of MaxDB are ok03:03
cloviswinfinity: but that message let me think if the installation are ok, or not, then i'm scare about that03:04
nealmcbclovisw: is this relevant?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40475103:05
infinity>ck804xrom ck804xrom_init_one(): Unable to register resource 0x00000000ffc00000-0x00000000ffffffff - kernel bug?03:06
infinityThis doesn't break anything. It's just a warning, we could remove it03:06
infinitycompletely. Did you see real breakage?03:06
infinity^-- from the upstream maintainer of that bit of code.03:06
infinitynealmcb: That forum post isn't helpful at all. :)03:07
nealmcbi.e. are you seeing any networking speed issues?03:08
infinityclovisw: The maintainer of that driver at Intel claims that the above isn't a bug at all, and it would be changed to a warning.03:08
infinityclovisw: In other words -- Just ignore it.03:08
cloviswinfinity: intel? but that machine have an AMD processor, what intel have with that?03:09
infinityclovisw: One of the driver developers is at Intel.03:10
infinityclovisw: We don't have much in the way of loyalties about this sort of thing.03:10
infinity(Oddly enough, a lot of my software ships with RedHat!)03:11
cloviswinfinity: you know what is the resource that the ck804xrom want to init?03:12
infinityNope, not my driver.  If I had to guess, though, I'd say it wants some extra PCI-E address space, and it's not getting any.03:12
infinityWhich is hardly the end of the world.03:12
cloviswinfinity: doing a lspci shows that nVidia Corporation CK804 in many devices, but its a IBM System, that dont have ny nVidea component, maybe the ubuntu get the wrong drivers?03:19
infinityclovisw: No, it uses an nvidia motherboard chipset.03:20
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nealmcbif apache2ctl causes problems like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/131632  should we disable it or add warnings?  Or change it so it calls the init scripts so things are configured properly?04:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131632 in apache2 "apache2.2-common: mod_cgid fills error.log with [error]  lines" [Undecided,Invalid]  04:23
mathiaznealmcb: apache2ctl is a script from upstream.04:27
mathiaznealmcb: IIRC.04:27
mathiaznealmcb: so I wouldn't change its default behavior.04:28
cloviswhi, anyone have the start script for maxdb on ubuntu?04:28
infinityWe've changed apache2ctl in Debian unstable to create the /var/run stuff itself, and moved the logic out of the init script.04:29
infinityStill, a user calling apache2ctl themselves is asking for whatever pain they get.04:30
infinityWe don't get bug reports about people trying to call mysqld_safe by themselves.04:30
infinity(We would if anyone tried, there's no way it would work)04:30
nealmcbmathiaz: I know it is a tricky issue, but I'm concerned that we would ship a command in /usr/sbin that fills up the logs with error messages when used as people are used to using it.  04:30
infinitynealmcb: Yes, we should ship it there, that's where it belongs.04:31
nealmcbinfinity: cool - sounds like a good fix04:31
mathiazthen it's in ubuntu too.04:31
infinitynealmcb: /usr/sbin/apache2 exists too, do people call that directly? :)04:31
infinity(Well, I do, all the time, as "apache2 -X" for debugging, but most people really shouldn't)04:31
nealmcbinfinity: I haven't studied this one in depth, but the person reporting this used a method in upstream that is supported by them, so I'm glad it will be supported in ubuntu also - "principle of least surprise"04:33
infinityThe upstream docs also refer to compiling from source...04:33
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infinityI'm not entirely sure that means "you should ignore your distro's init scripts, if you didn't install from source".04:33
nealmcbinfinity: I'm not suggesting that they should....04:34
infinityStill, I'm a heavy apachectl user too, hence why it's been fixed.04:34
nealmcb:-)04:34
nealmcbShould I dig out the debian bug # and update the ubuntu bug?  Or has someone already started doing that?04:34
infinityhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=41849904:35
ubotuDebian bug 418499 in apache2.2-common "apache2ctl does not work if NO_START=1 is set" [Important,Fixed]  04:35
infinityErr, not really the right bug report, but that's the one we closed! ;)04:36
infinity  * Create run and lock directores in apache2ctl to make it work on fresh04:36
infinity    installations before the first call of the init script. Together with04:36
infinity    the previous item, this closes: #41849904:36
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nealmcbinfinity:  Thanks.  I attached the bug.  So looks like it is in gutsy already.05:13
nealmcbBefore I say something like "fix released" (which I already did...) in a case like this, should I do my own testing rather than relying on hearsay?  I should have asked the bug reporter to test it also....05:15
mathiaznealmcb: Are you talking about bug 131632 ?05:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131632 in apache2 "apache2.2-common: mod_cgid fills error.log with [error]  lines" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13163205:15
nealmcbyup05:16
nealmcbI should have agreed with you in my comment also....05:16
mathiazhum... I marked it as Invalid this morning I think05:16
nealmcbright - but it has been fixed, according to infinity05:16
mathiazyeah... I see your point.05:17
nealmcbI just don't have time to test on gutsy05:17
mathiazusually I rely on the changelogs...05:19
nealmcbgood05:19
mathiazbut if you have time to do test you can..05:19
mathiazbut this seems like an obvious case05:20
nealmcbhopefully the reporter will test it05:20
infinityI'm inclined to agree that it's both "invalid" and "fix released", shame you can't do that in launchpad. :)05:20
nealmcband as you've pointed out, it isn't the biggest priority out there :-)05:20
infinityIn other words, it wasn't a bug, it was user error, but we fixed it anyway.05:20
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nealmcbI think it is a valid bug though - it isn't nice to take working upstream use cases and make them quietly eat up disk space05:21
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nealmcbbut we do want to get people using proper init procedures, since other "bugs" will crop up, so I see your point05:23
infinityTo be honest, I'm not even sure how one manages to trigger this.05:24
infinityYou'd have to KNOW that the init script exists, so you blatantly disable it, and then use apache2ctl.05:24
infinityWhich is, very much, user error.05:24
nealmcblike that person yesterday who complained that ubuntu wasn't starting up apache at all, because he wasn't even using our packages....05:24
infinityThis isn't about "following upstream docs, and having them screw up"05:24
infinityBecause the init script runs on postinst, and it runs on boot, so apache2ctl would work fine for a user who didn't disable the init script.05:25
infinityAt the point where you intentionally circumvent a working package, I refuse to call it a bug.05:25
nealmcbgood point - wonder what the original reported did...05:27
nealmcbs/reported/reporter05:28
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ScottKinfinity: I don't know if it's relevant to the Soyuz upload problem or not, but FYI, the subsequent upload of zekr was uploaded to the archive (NEW specifically) with no problem.05:38
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bdmurraymathiaz: do you remember that installer bug I mentioned last week?06:18
bdmurrayre lamp, lvm and var?06:18
bdmurrayeh, I found it06:20
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ConfidentiaLI wanna set up server for downloading, and I figured I would write a simple web interface in php for adding torrents and checking their status. Is this hard to set up, and which torrent client would you recommend?06:36
nealmcbConfidentiaL: you might want to ask on a torrent channel06:36
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mralphabetConfidentiaL: you could use torrentflux, it's even in the repos I believe06:38
mralphabetConfidentiaL: apt-cache search torrent06:38
ConfidentiaLok thanks. But, the web interface part? I haven't really programmed php to control a program before. Do you have any links to guides or something?06:39
ConfidentiaLoh, I see now when I search on torrentflux:P06:41
nealmcbConfidentiaL: yeah - you can read the source and see how hard it is :P06:42
mralphabetConfidentiaL: keep in mind this has nothing to do with ubuntu server ;)06:42
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tckanyone know how to save a function to memory for next bootup ?06:58
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rbrunhuberAfter updating today my cronjobs start complaining about misconfigured locales.08:13
rbrunhuberThe detailled error can be found here: http://pastebin.com/m6208276308:15
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noahIs cryptsetup available in gutsy -current server CD?08:16
noah..during the install i mean. I downloaded alternate-amd64.iso but it wasn't available there, and neither were the required crypto modules (aes, sha256)08:17
mralphabetrbrunhuber: dpkg-reconfigure locales08:28
mralphabetrbrunhuber: ^^ use sudo08:29
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rbrunhubermralphabet, that does not work.08:38
rbrunhubermralphabet: output: http://pastebin.com/m68d376b108:40
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mralphabetrbrunhuber: sudo apt-install locales08:43
rbrunhubermralphabet: it is already installed. I'm wondering why there is no /var/lib/locales/supported.d/en file08:45
mralphabetrbrunhuber: odd08:46
rbrunhubermralphabet: one thing is why is perl complaining about this? my scripts are purely bash08:47
rbrunhuberthis is a server so i don't want to install language-pack-en. 08:47
rbrunhubermralphabet: still there?08:56
mralphabetrbrunhuber: yes, but I don't have any other suggestions, I was looking in launchpad but didn't fid anything09:01
rbrunhubermralphabet: i just copied the content of /var/lib/locales/supported.d/en from another machine. it now works.09:03
rbrunhubermralphabet: but i do not know if i have to worry about other things. because my auth.log is truncated and everything feels a bit strange. i hope i have not been hacked.09:03
mralphabetrbrunhuber: are you sure it was installed?09:04
rbrunhubermralphabet: what was installed?09:04
mralphabet13:41 < mralphabet> rbrunhuber: sudo apt-install locales09:06
mralphabet13:43 < rbrunhuber> mralphabet: it is already installed.09:06
rbrunhubermralphabet: yes i'm sure it was installed09:06
mralphabetrbrunhuber: very odd, anyway, glad you got it working.09:07
rbrunhubermralphabet: auth.log is ok too it got rotated, phew...09:08
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sommermathiaz: question about the Ubuntu wikis.  Is wiki.ubuntu.com a different wiki than help.ubuntu.com/community?09:31
sommerjust wondering because the DovecotLDAP wiki link I tried adding to the ServerRoadmap page wouldn't work.09:32
sommeras an internal link anyway.09:34
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mathiazsommer: they're different09:47
sommermathiaz: gotcha09:48
mathiazsommer: in the case of the Dovecot wiki, it used to be a page on wiki.ubuntu.com that has been migrated to help.ubuntu.com09:49
mathiazsommer: and there's a refresh setup in the page on wiki.ubuntu.com.09:49
sommerokay...so is it okay to post external links in the ServerRoadmap Page?09:49
mathiazsommer: once in a while the doc team goes through wiki.ubuntu.com and migrate some pages to help.ubuntu.com/community/.09:49
mathiazsommer: definetly.09:50
sommermathiaz: thanks just wanted to make sure I'm not making a mess of things.09:50
mathiazsommer: don't worry about messing things up... It's all wiki pages, so there's always the history.09:51
sommercool, I'll start looking for another server doc page to update.09:52
sommerhave any suggestions?09:52
mathiazI think there is a category on help.ubuntu.com09:53
mathiazsommer: CategoryCleanup09:53
sommerah...I've seen it.  I'll start there09:54
mathiazsommer: you may wanna have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup09:54
mathiazsommer: and see if there are any server related pages.09:54
sommerall over it.09:54
mathiazsommer: you've asked for some feedback on your updated pages.09:54
mathiazsommer: may it's an item that could be added to the documentor section.09:55
mathiazsommer: review wiki pages.09:55
sommermathiaz: so do you think the links I added should be moved into another section called Review?09:56
mathiazsommer: well - it could be seen as another simple task.09:57
mathiazsommer: but it may clutter the wiki page09:57
sommerIs there a formal place to ask for review?  for wiki pages?09:58
mathiazsommer: I don't think so.09:58
mathiazsommer: the doc team is too small to have a review process...09:58
sommergotcha09:59
mathiazsommer: the RoadMap is there so that people that wanna get involved in the ServerTeam can have concrete task they can choose...09:59
sommerah...so is there really a need to list the pages that need updating?10:00
sommeror should we just link to the CategoryCleanup page?10:00
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sommeris there a CategoryServer type page?10:01
sommerif there was it'd be pretty simple to create a task to review those docs for each release.10:01
mathiazsommer: I don't think so.10:01
mathiazsommer: well the original idea was to track which wiki pages need some love.10:02
mathiazsommer: and list them somewhere so that other people can work on them10:03
mathiazsommer: it seems that another task would be to review them.10:03
sommerya, but I'm thinking that the list may be quite large.10:03
sommerbut then it may not either.10:04
mathiazsommer: for now, you've just asked for review...10:04
sommerI updated the Dovecot page and wrote up the DovecotLDAP page.10:05
sommerthe DovecotLDAP page is new so I thought it may be a good idea for some one to double check me.10:05
mathiazsommer: yop. Thanks for that.10:05
mathiazsommer: yes. It would actually be part of an ongoing effort to update the documentation.10:05
mathiazMay be a new task could be added - review community documentation10:06
mathiazwith a link to the CategoryCleanup page10:06
mathiazand a list of specific pages for which feedback has been asked (like you DovecotLDAP page)10:07
sommersounds good.  I'll list what pages I'm working on in the ServerRoadmap page.10:08
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mathiazsommer: excellent. Thanks for your help.10:08
sommernp10:08
mathiazsommer: may be you could also update the KnowledgeBase with some basic facts about the wikis.10:09
mathiazsommer: like, there a two wikis, etc...10:09
sommerah...sure I can do that.10:09
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sommermathiaz: when you say KnowledgeBase which one do you mean?10:13
mathiazsommer: wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase10:13
sommermathiaz: thanks10:13
mathiazsommer: this is the place where we store content that explains how to get involved in the team.10:13
mathiazsommer: which processes we follow, etc...10:13
sommerheh...I was looking right at the link, but didn't see it.10:14
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stiv2khi10:18
stiv2ki am having some extremely annoying issues with CUPS10:19
stiv2kfor some reason10:19
stiv2kmy printer is disappearing by itself10:19
stiv2kevery few hours10:19
stiv2kand i have to constantly re-add it10:19
stiv2kand i can't even seem to find any log info explaining it10:19
stiv2kI really need to get it working properly10:19
sommerstiv2k: are you running feisty?10:23
stiv2ksommer: yes10:23
sommerI had a similar issue (I forget the bug number), but there was an update to libdus that solved it.10:23
stiv2klibdus?10:23
sommerstiv2k: have you tried updating?10:24
stiv2ksommer: yes my system is up to date10:24
stiv2kits still doing it though10:24
sommerwhat version of dbus do you have?10:24
stiv2ksommer: how can i check?10:24
sommerdpkg -l libdubs10:25
sommersorry try: dpkg -l libdbus-1-310:25
stiv2kii  libdbus-1-3    1.0.2-1ubuntu4 simple interprocess messaging system10:25
sommermust be a different issue than what I had.10:26
stiv2keh10:26
sommerstiv2k: there's nothing in the log file if you set cups to debug?10:26
stiv2ksommer: well i'm not sure10:26
stiv2ki tried looking but theres so much stuff in there i'm not sure what i'm looking for10:27
sommeryou might start lookging at about the time the printer disapeared.10:29
stiv2kwell i dont know when it disappeared10:29
stiv2ki added it last night10:29
stiv2kand it was tehre for a few hours10:29
stiv2ki came back from school today10:29
stiv2kand its goen10:29
sommerhave you readded it yet?10:31
stiv2ksommer: not yet10:31
stiv2khey10:31
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stiv2kcould this be it?10:31
stiv2kD [20/Aug/2007:06:30:36 -0400]  Discarding unused printer-deleted event...10:31
stiv2kD [20/Aug/2007:06:30:36 -0400]  Remote destination "Lexmark_Printer" has timed out; deleting it...10:31
sommerpossible10:31
razer-server2ok... i nead som help to config my smtp server... im using postfix. cane somone help me?10:32
stiv2kwhy would it be doing that10:32
sommerstiv2k: the printer is probably going to a "sleep" mode.10:32
stiv2kinteresting10:32
stiv2kit NEVER used to do that to me before10:32
stiv2kjust recently when i reformatted the server's hard drive10:33
mathiazrazer-server2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix10:33
stiv2ksommer: perhaps a setting to make it not do that?10:33
razer-server2tx10:33
mathiazrazer-server2: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/postfix.html10:33
mathiaz!postfix10:33
ubotupostfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto10:33
sommerstiv2k: Probably...I'm not sure what'd be though.  You might try google.  Also the printers manual may tell you if there's anything hardware wise you can do.10:34
stiv2kright10:34
stiv2kdammit10:34
stiv2ki was hoping it was a known issue or sometihng10:34
stiv2ki kinda need this working... and fast.10:34
stiv2ki keep hitting dead ends10:35
sommerstiv2k: can you try a different printer?10:35
stiv2kthis is a different printer10:35
sommerah10:35
stiv2kit was doing teh same exact thing with my HP psc 131010:35
stiv2k;)10:35
stiv2kso im pretty sure its a server-side thing10:35
sommerhow is it connected?10:36
stiv2knot printer-side10:36
stiv2kUSB10:36
sommercan you connect it any other way?10:36
stiv2knope10:36
sommerstiv2k: I've pretty much exhausted my ideas then.  Unless someone knows if there's some kind of power setting that's affecting the USB ports?10:37
stiv2ki dont know....10:38
stiv2kit all happened as soon as i reformatted the drive10:38
stiv2kand reinstalled ubuntu10:38
stiv2kso, im pretty sure it HAS to be some software setting10:38
stiv2kperhaps HAL10:38
stiv2kor udev or some crap10:38
stiv2kor even some arbitrary CUPS setting10:38
razer-server2i dont get it... why dosent the email send... this is in my mail.log11:03
razer-server2Aug 20 21:54:55 razer-web postfix/smtp[6972] : F3480BC58A: to=<aslund_@hotmail.com>, relay=mx2.hotmail.com[65.54.245.40] :25, delay=1.2, delays=0.06/0/0.55/0.57, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 mail from IP 89.253.84.59 soft failed sender ID check Please ensure this IP is authorized to send mail on behalf of [hotmail.com] )11:03
Nickerazer-server2: From what address are you sending? (the From: field)11:19
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stiv2kone more thing11:37
stiv2khow can i make cups advertise its printers using its LAN ip11:37
stiv2krather than the external hostname (which isnt reachable on port 631 from the outside anyway)11:37
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stiv2k............?12:02
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