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[01:35] <manchicken> Is there a konq plugin for stumbleupon?
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[02:41] <coreymon77> theres a firefox plugin for it
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[03:13] <manchicken> coreymon77: Yeah, but I'm specifically wanting one for Konq.
[03:14] <manchicken> I think I may start helping the clamav folks out by submitting some of these viruses I keep getting in spam.
[03:14] <ScottK> Ones that clamav doesn't find?
[03:15] <manchicken> I'm installing clamav now to see if they're detected.
[03:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:15] <manchicken> Don't want to bother them with duplicates.
[03:15] <manchicken> Does klamav integrate with kontact?
[03:15] <ScottK> Dunno.
[03:15] <ScottK> Actually, it does, but I dunno how you set it up.
[03:15] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:16] <manchicken> Virus scanning isn't something we tend to do, is it.  heh
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[03:59] <nosrednaekim> anyways... there was once a hacker who came up on IRC and bragged that he could hack anyone.
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> but noone would give himtheir IP address.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> (and he was too stupid to figure it out.)
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[04:00] <nosrednaekim> finally someone gave him an IP adress to try to hack.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> 127.0.0.1
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> CRAP! WRONG CHANNEL!
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> sorry guys!
[04:04] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:05] <ryanakca> Anybody on gutsy mind helping me test bzflag? looks like it built, but, instead of installing the libs/depends (/usr/share/bzflag/), it installed the Makefiles
[04:05] <nixternal> hhahaha
[04:05] <nixternal> well that can't be good
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> ever heard that one before?
[04:05] <ryanakca> nope
[04:05] <nixternal> I will help you test that one ryanakca
[04:05] <ryanakca> thanks
[04:05] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: a long long time ago :)
[04:06] <ryanakca> just run 'bzflag' from konsole... it'll tell you it can't find fonts, -directory may help... anyways, that's how I found /usr/share/bzflag/*
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> ah... how is good old bzflag doing these days?
[04:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: nevermind, bug 132587
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132587
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[04:08] <nixternal> ahh
[04:08] <nixternal> nobody ran 'dpkg -c bzflag*.deb'
[04:09] <ryanakca> nope.
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> any chance restricted-manager could be backported to fiesty?
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> it works just fine here simply installing the debs.
[04:21] <ScottK> I vote for getting it working just fine in Gutsy first.
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> oh.. its not working?
[04:24] <ScottK> Not on my laptop, no.
[04:24] <ScottK> There are a fair number of bugs yet that I think should be dealt with before a backport.
[04:24] <ScottK> Not a lot mind you, but I wouldn't say it's ready yet.
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> alright.
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[06:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking back at my notes, my problems started in X and even deeper, so AFAIK, I didn't turn up anything Kubuntu specific in my Dapper --> Gutsy adventure.
[06:10] <ScottK> Riddell: There's something wrong with the file system that I'm not experienced enough to even describe, so I'm nuking it and doing a fresh Gutsy install.
[06:11] <ScottK> The Live CD install appears much improved since the last time I tried it (I think it was Edgy).
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[06:44] <calc> anyone awake?
[06:44] <calc> Riddell: ping
[06:44] <calc> Riddell: you are probably asleep, but leaving you this note
[06:44] <calc> Riddell: kubuntu meta shouldn't need the dep on openoffice.org-gtk/-gnome anymore, but should be tested to verify
[06:45] <calc> Riddell: i uploaded openoffice with a fix for the hang that shouldn't require those extra packages any more :)
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | FF, UVF Thursday, anything we need updated?
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 16 09:11:43 2007
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[11:19] <Tonio_> hi
[11:21] <Riddell> rebonjour
[11:22] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
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[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a meeting planned soon, so that we can discuss dolphin again due to project advancement
[11:49] <Tonio_> ?
[11:49] <Riddell> first wednesday of the month
[11:50] <Riddell> the system menu needs fixed for dolphin
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw I jjust received an email from d3lphin upstream concerning a new version, I'll look at that now
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: no complains concerning the name change, which is a good thing :)
[11:52] <Riddell> oh good
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: also do we want the hplip tools in the kmenu by default ?
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd hide them imho
[11:54] <Riddell> why?
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: duplication
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also not everyone uses hp printers :)
[11:54] <Riddell> it provides funcations that kprinter doesn't
[11:55] <Tonio_> sure, but btw that should be in system, and not in the same section OOo is
[11:55] <Tonio_> no ?
[11:55] <Riddell> it is in system
[11:55] <Tonio_> hu ?
[11:55] <Riddell> although I see an hplip fax thing in office
[11:55] <Riddell> is that what you're talking about?
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: this one yes
[11:56] <Tonio_> but look in the "Desktop suite" section
[11:56] <Tonio_> you have 2 other entries
[11:56] <Riddell> I see no "Desktop suite" section
[11:56] <Tonio_> "HPlip fax utilities", and "fax adress book"
[11:56] <Riddell> yes, in Office
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno for english, but that's the one OOo tools are
[11:57] <Tonio_> those should at least be in system
[11:57] <Riddell> I'd say utils
[11:57] <Riddell> although they don't seem to run for me
[11:57] <Tonio_> and I'm not sure that hp fax utils doesn't only duplicate kfax
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: have an hp printer ?
[11:59] <Riddell> I do yes
[11:59] <Riddell> it doesn't have a fax in it
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect it works, but btw that should be optionnaly installed....
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok to patch for utils section ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> I'll do that now if you agree
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it run for you?
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a brother printer in fact :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd be interested to know if it only works....
[12:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: what if you run /usr/bin/hp-fab on the command line?
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works
[12:03] <Riddell> ok
[12:03] <Riddell> ask till before changing it
[12:03] <Tonio_> sure
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's his nick ?.
[12:04] <Riddell> tkamppeter
[12:04] <Tonio_> oki
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ian's nick is ijackson right ?
[12:05] <\sh> yeah...till is the right man for printers ,-)
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: iwj
[12:05] <Tonio_> hum, stupid of me..... :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, I forgot that one :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> \sh: hey ;)
[12:05] <\sh> moins Tonio_
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[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: hey.. I couldn't get any useful info out of paired devices for bluetooth (kcm_btpaired).. any ideas?
[12:56] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: I also searched a bit, but nothing else comes to my mind....
[12:56] <_StefanS_> uhm wierd..
[12:56] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: no way to trace this for me too
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: the last thing i see is dbus related, but i'm not sure that means anything
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: bugger.
[12:57] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: hum that's possible
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[02:09] <apachelogger> kwwii_: ahoy, do you have any cool kubuntu presentation template at hand?
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[02:49] <kwwii_> apachelogger: nope, not sure if there is one
[02:51] <Riddell> I just use the KDE oxygen one
[02:55] <apachelogger> hm
[02:55] <apachelogger> yeah, gotta use that as well then
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[04:11] <manchicken> Crap, I installed updates, and kontact keeps segfaulting now.
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[04:20] <manchicken> Okay, so is anybody aware of what's going on with kontact's crashing?
[04:21] <manchicken> kmail seems to run fine independently.
[04:21] <ScottK> What did you do to make it crash?
[04:21] <manchicken> ScottK: I ran it.
[04:21] <ScottK> OK.  It didn't do that for me.
[04:21] <manchicken> ScottK: I just installed upgrades, and it is now crashing every time I start it.
[04:22] <ScottK> What arch are you on?
[04:22] <manchicken> amd64
[04:23] <ScottK> OK.  I'm on i386, so it may be an arch specific problem.
[04:26] <manchicken> Doesn't seem like a kontact config issue.
[04:26] <manchicken> It's probably one of the plugins or something.
[04:28] <manchicken> heh, there's a whole new set of updates.
[04:28] <manchicken> Nothing like looking like an idiot to start off a great day!
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[04:37] <manchicken_> I guess I don't look like too much of an idiot... it's still crashing.
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[04:42] <manchicken_> Interesting.
[04:42] <manchicken_> ScottK: What's your version number for kontact?
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[04:43] <manchicken_> I've got: ii  kontact  4:3.5.7enterprise20070810-0ubuntu2     KDE pim application
[04:44] <manchicken_> What a strange version number....
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[04:46] <manchicken_> I can keep functioning just using kmail, but it's kinda irritating not having all of my stuff in one place.
[04:49] <manchicken_> And of course launchpad is being cantankerous.
[04:50] <manchicken_> I'll report this one on lp
[04:52] <Riddell> that enterprise branch is new in so new crashes are possible
[04:53] <Riddell> Czessi: ping?
[04:54] <manchicken_> Why are we on that branch?
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[04:54] <manchicken_> Riddell: I'm not noticing random crashes, I'm noticing 100% crashing at startup on kontact.
[04:55] <manchicken_> Reported bug #133857
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133857 in kdepim "In gutsy, kontact now crashes on startup (SIGSEGV)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133857
[05:01] <stdin> manchicken_: I have the same version, no crashes here. but I never use it so I _could_ be some configuration thing that changed
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[05:02] <ScottK2> manchicken_: My Kontact version is Version 1.2.4 (enterprise 0.20070508.662491)
[05:04] <manchicken_> stdin: At which point it becomes a question of what config.
[05:05] <manchicken_> I've tried moving kontactrc and kontact_summaryrc out of the way, but that didn't help.
[05:05] <manchicken_> stdin: Are you on amd64?
[05:05] <stdin> no x86
[05:07] <manchicken_> Hmm.
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[05:26] <v01d> Hi, i'm trying to install feisty completely offline, since I'm behind a proxy and I already have a local ubuntu repository
[05:26] <v01d> the installer insists on going to official repos even after changing /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:26] <v01d> is there anyway to do this?
[05:27] <v01d> it would suffice to just install from cd, I can update later from the local repo once it is installed
[05:27] <Riddell> yes
[05:28] <v01d> would you tell me? =b
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[05:30] <Riddell> install from cd and update later
[05:30] <v01d> ...
[05:31] <Riddell> or use the alternate CD in expert mode and set the proxy
[05:31] <v01d> the problem is that when installing from cd it tries to access the internet
[05:32] <v01d> I wan't to avoid that
[05:32] <Riddell> unplug your network connection
[05:32] <v01d> ok, I thought it would hang doing the same thing
[05:32] <v01d> but i'll try
[05:32] <v01d> thanks
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[06:06] <Czessi> Riddell: pong
[06:06] <Riddell> Czessi: too late
[06:06] <Czessi> sorry
[06:06] <Riddell> we're sending them whether you like it or not
[06:08] <Czessi> what do you send?
[06:11] <Riddell> kubuntu t-shirts
[06:11] <Riddell> to froscon
[06:11] <Czessi> cool
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[06:12] <Czessi> to neverfelde, to me or directly?
[06:13] <Riddell> to danimo
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[06:14] <Czessi> that's good
[06:14] <Czessi> thanks
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[06:35] <manchicken_> YAY!
[06:35] <manchicken_> kontact is back
[06:35] <manchicken_> What the hell changed though.
[06:36] <manchicken_> Nope, not anymore.
[06:36] <ryanakca> hmm. for gutsy+1, would it be worth removing 'su'? Since there's "sudo -u <username>" that does the same thing?
[06:36] <manchicken_> Ooh, I found a pattern!!!
[06:37] <ryanakca> ooh?
[06:37] <manchicken_> It seems as though baskets is the culprit on this kontact crash issue.
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[06:37] <ryanakca> hmm. I don't have baskets... but I can test it :)
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[06:39] <manchicken_> If I start basket before kontact, it doesn't crash.
[06:39] <manchicken_> It only crashes if i then close basket and then click the baskets link.
[06:41] <manchicken_> kpilotDaemon seems hosed, too.
[06:42] <ryanakca> hmm *tries to figure out `reportbug`*
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[06:44] <manchicken_> ryanakca: Can you confirm this crash?
[06:46] <manchicken_> Bug #133857 is updated.
[06:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133857 in kdepim "In gutsy, kontact now crashes on startup (SIGSEGV)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133857
[06:46] <ryanakca> nope
[06:47] <ryanakca> so, start up basket, start up kontact, close basket, go to kontact, click 'Baskets' link in sidebar?
[06:47] <manchicken_> Yup
[06:48] <ryanakca> no go here :/
[06:48] <manchicken_> What's your version & arch?
[06:49] <manchicken_> And what's your basket version?
[06:50] <ryanakca> x86 ... 2.6.22-9-generic . and Kontact version Version 1.2.5 , BasketVersion 1.0.2
[06:50] <ryanakca> i386
[06:58] <manchicken_> Okay, so we're on different versions.
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[06:58] <manchicken_> Wait, how are you on 1.2.5?  I thought I was on the latest kontact, and it says that I'm version 1.2.4
[06:59] <ryanakca> Kontact Container is 1.2.5 here
[06:59] <ryanakca> at least according to about
[06:59] <manchicken_> Yeah, I've got Version 1.2.4 (enterprise 0.20070508.662491)
[07:00] <manchicken_> And we're on the same version of baskets.
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[07:00] <ryanakca> hmm.
[07:00] <ryanakca> gutsy?
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[07:00] <ryanakca> where do you see enterprise?
[07:01] <manchicken_> It's in the version string.
[07:02] <manchicken_> In about->kontact container->directly under the bold "Kontact"
[07:02] <ryanakca> wow.
[07:02] <manchicken_> Crazy, no?
[07:02] <ryanakca> I'll get you a screenie of mine, I don't see anything of the sort. Wierd
[07:03] <manchicken_> Are you on the latest updates for gutsy?
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[07:05] <manchicken_> It's amazing how dependent we can be on software.
[07:05] <ryanakca> http://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/kontact.png
[07:05] <ryanakca> incredible
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[07:07] <manchicken_> What is yakuake?
[07:07] <ryanakca> pitty the tabs can't be set up to show the host ssh is connected to, like konsole does in it's title bar
[07:07] <manchicken_> I've heard much of it but never used it.
[07:07] <manchicken_> Is it like tilda/
[07:07] <ryanakca> it's a drop down konsole... quite usefull
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[07:07] <manchicken_> Ah, so it's like tilda.
[07:08] <manchicken_> I always just have a terminal open on virtual desktop #2.
[07:08] <ryanakca> http://yakuake.uv.ro/wp-images/yakuake.jpg
[07:08] <manchicken_> Am I the only one who names their virtual desktops?
[07:08] <manchicken_> "Eenie", "Meenie", "Mynee", and "Mo"
[07:08] <ryanakca> I used to... "School"... "Kubuntu"... "Web"... "Misc"... but I never followed it
[07:09] <Jannex> manchicken_: I can confirm the crash after installing basket
[07:09] <manchicken_> Yeah, I used to do that, but it never really seemed to make much of a difference.
[07:09] <ryanakca> wow. never went that far though :)
[07:09] <manchicken_> Jannex: Please confirm the bug :)
[07:09] <manchicken_> Jannex: I need someone to confirm before I have to commit myself.
[07:09] <manchicken_> And can you confirm my work-around?
[07:10] <manchicken_> kpilotDaemon seems to have some weird system tray icon issue, but it is functioning quite well.
[07:10] <manchicken_> That's a pleasant surprise.
[07:11] <Jannex> manchicken_: Yes, the workaround works
[07:11] <manchicken_> YAY!
[07:12] <manchicken_> Yeah, I think kpilotDaemon has a cosmetic issue where its systray icon doesn't show up.
[07:13] <ryanakca> still need me to confirm?
[07:13] <manchicken_> ryanakca: It'd be nice if you could.
=== ryanakca nods
[07:14] <manchicken_> Jannex: What's your arch?
[07:27] <manchicken_> ryanakca: Any luck?
[07:28] <manchicken_> stdin: Could you take a look at bug #133857 and see if you can confirm on your i386?
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133857 in kdepim "In gutsy, kontact now crashes on startup (SIGSEGV)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133857
[07:30] <stdin> manchicken_: kontact doesn't crash here, same version (4:3.5.7enterprise20070810-0ubuntu1)
[07:30] <manchicken_> stdin: Could you try using the replication instructions I put on the bug?
[07:30] <stdin> manchicken_: heh, guess I should read the bug report first :p
[07:32] <manchicken_> heh
[07:34] <stdin> manchicken_: confirmed
[07:34] <manchicken_> w00ty goodness is mine.
[07:34] <manchicken_> Much thanks.
[07:34] <manchicken_> stdin: Do you not use baskets or something?
[07:35] <manchicken_> I'm betting that's why I have more trouble than some folks on this one.
[07:35] <manchicken_> Half of my life exists in baskets.
[07:35] <stdin> no, I don't even use kontact, I like randomness :p
[07:35] <manchicken_> If I don't put it in there I forget it.
[07:35] <manchicken_> Ah..
[07:35] <ScottK> manchicken_: Mine is a default Kubuntu install with no extra packages.
[07:35] <manchicken_> I'm a kontact fanboy.
[07:36] <manchicken_> ScottK: I don't know what that is anymore.  heh
[07:36] <manchicken_> ScottK: The last time I did a default install was Dapper
=== ScottK neither as a rule, but I'm recovering from a dead hard drive for my developmental hard drive and so it's very fresh.
[07:36] <stdin> if something's really important, I set a couple alarms/reminders. eg: my phone and kalarm
[07:37] <ryanakca> hmm. kontact downgraded
[07:38] <ryanakca> confirmed
[07:38] <ryanakca> bug #? 133857?
[07:43] <manchicken_> Yes
[07:44] <manchicken_> stdin: Do you use kalarm a lot?
[07:45] <Jannex> manchicken_: AMD64
[07:45] <stdin> manchicken_: somewhat, I use it to start amarok playing (via dcop) as a wakeup call
[07:45] <manchicken_> Jannex: Thanks.
[07:45] <manchicken_> stdin: I like kteatime for a timer.
[07:46] <manchicken_> It's great for when I've got something cooking or a can of pop in the freezer, and I don't want to forget it.
[07:46] <manchicken_> And sometimes I use it for tea.
[07:47] <stdin> heh, yeah, I use that when cooking. I've cremated many a pizza while distracted :p
[07:47] <manchicken_> Yes.
[07:47] <manchicken_> kteatime is just such a simple program.
[07:48] <manchicken_> The author really seems to get that simplicity is a good thing.
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[08:21] <manchicken_> Riddell: What's that xserver emulator you keep running?
[08:23] <ryanakca> xephyr?
[08:23] <manchicken_> that's probably it.
[08:23] <manchicken_> Is that in the repos?
=== ryanakca nods
[08:24] <ryanakca> xserver-xephyr
[08:24] <ryanakca> then start it with 'xephyr --display :1' or something of the sort
[08:24] <manchicken_> Cool
[08:25] <Riddell> Xephyr :1
[08:25] <Riddell> export DISPLAY=:1
[08:25] <Riddell> startkde
[08:25] <Riddell> but it seems to crash a lot for me
[08:25] <Riddell> on amd64
[08:27] <manchicken_> Do you use a script for this?
[08:28] <Riddell> no
[08:29] <manchicken_> Ooh, this is simple.  Takes me back though.
[08:33] <nixternal> Riddell: it crashes for me on i386 as well
[08:45] <nixternal> does anyone know a user/dev/irc channel that I might be able to get a little bit of help with a Hebrew setup of Ubuntu?
[08:46] <nixternal> I got this really touching email from an 85 year old professor in Chicago who is partially blind and needs help getting Ubuntu running on his new laptop, but needs to be able to write right to left with Hebrew characters and such
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[08:54] <Riddell> #ubuntu-il ?
[08:55] <manchicken_> KDE4 is looking so much better.
[08:55] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, thanks, exactly what I wanted
[08:56] <nixternal> cool...this email he sent me, his name and address is in Arabic, and it is right aligned in KMail...I have never noticed that before
[08:56] <nixternal> maybe we can get him on Kubuntu instead, this would be an awesome user story
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[09:25] <ScottK> nixternal: You could make it an assignment for I'm forgetting his name that just applied to be a Kubuntu member.
[09:25] <ScottK> He just moved to Canada from Israel.
[09:25] <Riddell> mm, yes
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77?
[09:26] <ScottK> Yeah.  Him.
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[09:31] <nixternal> ScottK: good idea
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