[12:36] <krisx> jk no i love that ive converted to kubuntu gutsy
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> ya were scaring me there ;)
[12:39] <krisx> anyone have any tips on getting a 7600 gt going ive got clone running but my resolution is terribly at 800x600 any ideas
[12:39] <krisx> terrible
[12:39] <jhutchins> krisx: gutsy is @ #ubuntu+1
[12:40] <jhutchins> krisx: Is that an Nvidia graphics card?
[12:40] <krisx> ok ty ;)
[12:40] <krisx> yes it is
[12:41] <jhutchins> You will probably need the nvidia drivers.
[12:41] <jhutchins> !nvidia | krisx
[12:41] <ubotu> krisx: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <krisx> yeah im using the glx new
[12:41] <krisx> ty
[12:42] <krisx> see if i can break it again
[12:43] <krisx> thanks folks
[12:43] <solarwaver> is anyone knows adivx player for linux?
[12:44] <runlevelten> mplayer
[12:44] <runlevelten> right. night all
[12:44] <solarwaver> a plyer that u can load subs i mean
[12:46] <drif> which driver would I use for radeon 9800 Pro (R350)?
[12:46] <solarwaver> vbgunz
[12:46] <solarwaver> can u help
[12:46] <solarwaver> ?
[12:47] <vbgunz> sorry :/
[12:47] <solarwaver> no i want a divx player that i can load subs
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> drif: for maximun performance... the fglrx one.
[12:48] <zipper> solarwaver, you can use vlc
[12:48] <drif> nosrednaekim: test gives me just grey & white raster...
[12:48] <solarwaver> zipper what is vlc
[12:48] <solarwaver> ?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> into video and never heard of VLC ?
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> drif: test?
[12:49] <solarwaver> no u can tell me?
[12:49] <drif> nosrednaekim: there's test-button
[12:49] <zipper> solarwaver, an application that can playback video
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> !vlc
[12:49] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[12:50] <solarwaver> yes i have 2 douzines but i can't load subs.
[12:50] <solarwaver> i ll try vlc
[12:50] <zipper> solarwaver, but besides, mplayer DOES, afaik, support subtitles
[12:50] <zipper> it's just easier in vlc
[12:50] <BluesKaj> VideoLan, http://www.videolan.org/
[12:50] <solarwaver> you cant load them with m player
[12:50] <fake> HHE
[12:51] <solarwaver> with vlc u can?
[12:51] <zipper> you might not be able to, but that doesnt mean it isnt possible
[12:51] <zipper> and yes, vlc can
[12:51] <fake> =X
[12:51] <fake> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[12:51] <fake> WY IM HR
[12:51] <fake> ?
[12:51] <fake> AAAAAAAA
[12:52] <zipper> ehrm, you might wanna see the doctor with that thing
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> drif:  in the monitor and settings thing? did you download the fglrx driver?
[12:52] <dthacker-lt> !offtopic | fake
[12:52] <ubotu> fake: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:53] <drif> nosrednaekim: actually not yet - the default one worked with my earlier radeon..9500pro I recall
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> drif: well if you test fglrx and haven't installed it yet.... of course it won't look right :)
[12:54] <drif> nosrednaekim: but I didn't need it earlier either - there must be some version as default on 7.04?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> drif, dunno if this will help , depends what you want to do , but this tutorial provides 3D and DRI for some games and video layered apps like Google Earth etc. : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> drif: what?
[12:55] <drif> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:55] <drif> BluesKaj: reason I'm asking here I don't have a browser at my disposal at the moment
[12:56] <skedar> hmm
[12:56] <skedar> o_o
[12:56] <BluesKaj> drif , just don't pay too much attn to the writer's xorg file cuz he uses alaptop and his configuration and modules and devices will be different of course
[12:57] <BluesKaj> konqueror not working ?
[01:01] <[ifr0g] > My internet speed simply reduced to half its orginal speed, How could i debug this ?
[01:04] <Biovore> [ifr0g] : DSL?
[01:04] <underdog5004> [ifr0g] , your isp may be throttling your bt downloads
[01:04] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, yes DSL.
[01:05] <Biovore> BT is very depending on the swarm.. speeds will very alot..
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, i can understand.. BT but my youtube veoh and google videos stream half the speed..
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > But if i stream two at once i get the whole Bandwidth..
[01:06] <Biovore> ok.. If your on DSL that happens sometimes if the line degrades..
[01:06] <Biovore> I had those problems..
[01:06] <Biovore> Switched to cable
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, so i have to wait and check later ?
[01:07] <Biovore> yup..  It outside of the house probably..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > darn..
[01:07] <Biovore> Some DSL modems will tell you what they are running at..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > It was fine till yesterday..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > yes, i understand that.
[01:07] <Biovore> yup.. did it rain ?
[01:08] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, not, but i notices the cable tv was kinda distorted.
[01:08] <[ifr0g] > nope*
[01:08] <Biovore> well cable and the DSL are differnent systems..  So not sure whats up with that..
[01:09] <[ifr0g] > ok, i will try downloading some file..
[01:10] <Ch1ppy> hey, if I want to resize the ext3 partition I'm running right now, what's the best way?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> GParted Live CD , Ch1ppy
[01:11] <[ifr0g] > ok, i tried downloading google earth and i get around 50 kb / sec.. which 25 on youtube.. :(
[01:11] <Ch1ppy> mkay
[01:12] <[ifr0g] > Weird..
[01:12] <[ifr0g] > I even disabled ipv6
[01:12] <Biovore> if anything ipv6 would speed you up..
[01:13] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, but ipv6 according to ubuntu forums seem to speed the internet up
[01:13] <BluesKaj> a lotta sites aren't IPv6 enabled
[01:13] <[ifr0g] > i meant when disabled.
[01:13] <BluesKaj> hence =slow to load
[01:13] <Biovore> depends..
[01:13] <Biovore> I run ipv6 here..
[01:13] <pollo> alguien ke hable espaol
[01:14] <BluesKaj> !es | pollo
[01:14] <ubotu> pollo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:14] <Biovore> If its setup.. and your ISP supports it.. it better.. more routes.
[01:14] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, I am not worried about the website loading as them seem to load fast. the problem is with file download, streaming... etc...
[01:14] <Biovore> but your application has to support IPV6 for it to mean anything..
[01:14] <BluesKaj> heh, i have no way of knowing if IPv6  is supported by my ISP
[01:15] <Biovore> Its probably not..
[01:15] <Biovore> Most datacenters have it..
[01:15] <zipper> Biovore, more routes? Why? Afaik, IPv4 can use IPv6 routers with a minor "hack" that makes the IPv6 routers invisible to the v4 clients
[01:15] <Biovore> true..
[01:15] <zipper> but still being able to use them
[01:15] <Biovore> but its a hack
[01:16] <BluesKaj> [ifr0g] , that has to do with the connections your DL client is amking and how you have it sertup
[01:16] <zipper> doesnt matter when it works, and it's being used does it?
[01:16] <Biovore> Using that IPv4 Ipv6 encapulation..
[01:16] <BluesKaj> making, setup
[01:16] <zipper> to be honest, it's the only thing to do. It's not like you're going to change the internet from v4 to v6 overnight
[01:16] <Biovore> yup..
[01:17] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, i have used wget firefox, both the same result. also couple of bandwidth tests seem to showhalf my speed.
[01:17] <Biovore> Right now Its ponds of IPv6 in a IPv4 world..
[01:17] <Biovore> Soon it will flip to the other way.. 5 years maybe..
[01:17] <zipper> it's always like that
[01:17] <zipper> just look at php for example
[01:17] <Biovore> yup.. I was like that for decnet..
[01:18] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, Do you know how to monitor where the problem is ? like from ping replays or dns checks ?
[01:18] <BluesKaj> [ifr0g] , maybe you should be thankful for small mercies...my ISP just shuts us down without any warning at all when thy do reapirs to the lines
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, same here :D.. GOes like for 2 hrs or soo..
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > but likeonesin a week..
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > Never expireanced bandwidth drop untill today
[01:19] <zipper> [ifr0g] , you can always run a traceroute in order to find out where the problem lies
[01:20] <[ifr0g] > zipper, traceroute to what host ?
[01:20] <BluesKaj> forgotten , but I think there is a CLI command to check your internet speed
[01:20] <zipper> [ifr0g] , well, the host you're having trouble reaching i guess?
[01:20] <zipper> well, you can use iptraf in the console
[01:20] <zipper> to get detailed information
[01:20] <[ifr0g] > zipper, Problem is with the download speed not browsing ..
[01:21] <zipper> i didnt say anything about browsing? =/
[01:21] <[ifr0g] > well, the host you're having trouble reaching i guess?
[01:21] <[ifr0g] > ^^^
[01:22] <[ifr0g] > zipper, the trouble is with any download, plus streaming from youtube.
[01:23] <zipper> monitor the max bandwidth you can get from a couple of different servers
[01:23] <zipper> if it's not what you're paying for, talk to your ISP
[01:23] <zipper> it really doesnt matter if you find out where the problem is anyway. I mean you dont have access to fix it yourself anyway.
[01:24] <[ifr0g] > zipper, well, that right. But i was here to find out if the problem was with my system. if not.. it would make that call..
[01:25] <zipper> easiest and most secure way to make sure of that is simple
[01:25] <zipper> get another comp, and check bandwidth on the same connection
[01:26] <kazuma_> hello
[01:26] <kazuma_> how can i write in another partition?
[01:26] <ken_> kooonichiwah !
[01:26] <kazuma_> xD
[01:26] <ken_> did you mount it ?
[01:26] <kazuma_> yeah friend
[01:26] <kazuma_> they are visible
[01:26] <kazuma_> but i just can see what they have
[01:26] <[ifr0g] > zipper, :D.. Yes that was the last thing on my list ..
[01:26] <kazuma_> y can't write on them
[01:27] <ken_> you can mount partitions ro = readonly and rw read/write
[01:27] <zipper> [ifr0g] , should be the first
[01:27] <ken_> is ti NTFS your ooold windows partition ??
[01:27] <kazuma_> yeah xD
[01:27] <[ifr0g] > zipper, by the way iptraf is a neat little tool.
[01:27] <kazuma_> but i have two partitions
[01:28] <zipper> [ifr0g] , yeah, it actually is. I like it.
[01:28] <ken_> yes yes  try installing 3g-ntfs
[01:28] <ken_> sudo apt-get install 3g-ntfs
[01:28] <zipper> kazuma_, you do _not_ want to enable write access to a ntfs partition.
[01:28] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g
[01:28] <ken_> yes he wants  ^_^
[01:28] <kazuma_> why
[01:28] <kazuma_> xD
[01:28] <zipper> kazuma_, it is, and always will be, dangerous and experimental. Continue at your own risk.
[01:28] <BluesKaj> and ntfs-config
[01:28] <kazuma_> i want to pass some things:P
[01:29] <BluesKaj> !ntfs
[01:29] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:29] <swhalen> Hello
[01:29] <ken_> ntfs-3g is no more beta anymore ...
[01:29] <[ifr0g] > zipper, BluesKaj, THanks for your time guys..
[01:29] <swhalen> anyone here use ccsm with kubuntu?
[01:29] <[ifr0g] > bbl
[01:29] <BluesKaj> hey NP [ifr0g] 
[01:29] <zipper> ken_, that doesnt mean it's not risky or experimental
[01:29] <kazuma_> ok zipper
[01:29] <kazuma_> but can you tell me? :P
[01:29] <NickPresta> zipper, I undestand that there have been problems in the past but seriously, check the ntfs-3g homepage. They apply more wear and tear in one test than you would in a years worth of use. I think it's safe to at least suggest it...
[01:29] <knowledge25> hello: can anybody help me install looking glass ?
[01:30] <ken_> thx nick
[01:30] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g and ntfs-config work is most cases
[01:30] <BluesKaj> in
[01:30] <kazuma_> so i have to install ntfs-3g?
[01:30] <ken_> itz as safe as chtting in the internet , bweare SOME might lsiten o.0
[01:30] <NickPresta> zipper, I mean, if http://www.ntfs-3g.com/quality.html doesn't convince you that it is safe for home use, then I don't know how you're ever going to access an NTFS partition. :)
[01:30] <ken_> if u wnt towrite on NTFS , yes
[01:30] <zipper> NickPresta, "safe" is being used too freely these days. As long as NTFS remains a closed filesystem, using it will always be experimental and dangerous. Sure, you can go pretty far with reverse-engineering, but that doesnt make it "safe"
[01:31] <BluesKaj> kazuma_, yes and ntfs-config is also recommended
[01:32] <BluesKaj> zipper, a word of caution is always in order , but let's not get too alarmist
[01:32] <kazuma_> o thanks
[01:32] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:32] <ken_> iam running torrents (maaany ) from my kubuntu , the data is written to my bigger NTFS partition iam going out on a limb here  =)
[01:32] <zipper> BluesKaj, i just fear one day that a new (k)ubuntu user is going to come inhere and blame us all for him losing all his data
[01:33] <knowledge25>  hello: can anybody help me install looking glass ?
[01:33] <Branden> after install how to i add the boot flag to a harddrive?
[01:33] <ken_> and we will convinve him , it was for a greter good lol
[01:33] <zipper> ken_, torrents usually isnt crucial data. I mean, it doesnt really matter if you have 5 or 10 gigs of pr0n. I was more thinking of backing up work files, family photos and such
[01:33] <NickPresta> knowledge25, http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ ? That?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> zipper, it's already happened with other apps... what else is new ...ppl aren't perfect and make mistakes...even when given the best advice possible
[01:34] <zipper> i dont get this
[01:34] <zipper> you guys recommend NTFS-3g, but you almost banned me for recommending automatix
[01:35] <BluesKaj> big difference , zipper
[01:35] <Biovore> automatix breaks things..
[01:35] <Biovore> !automatix
[01:35] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:35] <BluesKaj> !automatix | zipper
[01:35] <ubotu> zipper: please see above
[01:35] <zipper> dude, i know
[01:35] <Biovore> :-P
[01:35] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-3g
[01:35] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:35] <zipper> and yes, i do know why it breaks stuff, i've read it all
[01:35] <NickPresta> zipper, http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[01:36] <zipper> =S
[01:36] <BluesKaj> zipper, do you detect a difference there ? :)
[01:36] <zipper> sigh
[01:36] <zipper> too late to take up this argument once again
[01:36] <kazuma_> dudes you are awesome
[01:36] <ken_> looking glasss  , mhh , i thought compiz is far fetched
[01:36] <kazuma_> now i can write on my partitions
[01:36] <kazuma_> thanks a lot for the help
[01:37] <ken_> after reboot it will be gone  normaly
[01:37] <ken_> read about /etc/fstab
[01:37] <ken_> ad urself to the fuse group
[01:37] <zipper> my oppinion boiled down: Newbies are going to fuck up their system. Always. So why not recommend them using automatix, and cross our fingers it works? Sure, it may brick their ubuntu installation, but to be honest, dont you think they would've managed to do that on their own anyway?
[01:38] <zipper> kazuma_, and in a week you can come crying about not taking backup, after you've lost all your data =)
[01:38] <ken_> ^.^
[01:38] <zipper> nah, j/k, i'm just being paranoid
[01:38] <ken_> ah come on
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> that's either extreme irony or extreme irresponsibility ;p
[01:38] <BluesKaj> zipper, believe us ...there are many voices of experience in that botb
[01:39] <zipper> SlimeyPete, me?
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> yes
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> :)
[01:39] <zipper> well, it's not irony, so take your pick
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> not much choice left :)
[01:40] <zipper> well, i didnt expect you to agree with me
[01:40] <zipper> but i'd rather go through the automatix sourcecode, seeing whats actually being done, than ask another newbie "What did you do?" just to get the regular "nothing..." answer
[01:42] <ken_> is the looking galss gyu still around ?
[01:43] <ken_> *glass guy
[01:43] <zipper> thought you were going to say "Gals"
[01:43] <zipper> we all know there are no female on the internet
[01:43] <zipper> whose names doesnt end in .jpg anyway
[01:43] <ken_> whats a female ?
[01:43] <Biovore> Is it a type of connector?
[01:43] <zipper> nevermind =)
[01:43] <zipper> Biovore, yeah... kind of
[01:44] <ken_> is think itz a kind of a demuxer
[01:44] <ken_> jsut more complex , but not THAT complex  ^.^
[01:44] <zipper> doesnt work like the regular kind though, they dont respond very well to electricity
[01:46] <BluesKaj> unless it vibrates and is self contained in a certain shape :)
[01:47] <Biovore> lol
[01:47] <zipper> hehe
[01:51] <ken_> Project Looking Glass ( promotion video on sun.com) -> 11/15/03 this thingy might be outdated i think , https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/  <-  never seen such ugly eye candy
[01:54] <ken_> zzZzzz compizzZzzzz zzz ZZ z  g'nite
[01:56] <Sakkath_> how can i upgrade kubuntu i was trying to use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades but it's for gnome so i don't have update-manager?
[02:01] <rosso_> you can install the update manager anyway ubuntu and Kubuntu use the same repositories
[02:02] <Sakkath_> rosso_: so that would be the solution? just install update-manager?
[02:02] <rosso_> as long as you dont get upset about a bit of gtk2 libaries
[02:02] <Sakkath_> its ok
[02:02] <rosso_> yep, if you have a how to that says to use the update manager, do so
[02:03] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yeah, it's on help.ubuntu.org. unless someway i can use the kde one, adept?
[02:03] <Cainus> hey... can anyone tell me how to get a better screen rez than kubuntu has defaulted to?  I know my card/monitor can do better
[02:03] <rosso_> be sure you have kubuntu-desktop installes...
[02:03] <rosso_> Cainus:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and follow instructions
[02:04] <rosso_> Sakkath_: yes or use the konsole sudo apt-get install update-manager
[02:04] <Sakkath_> rosso_: was that directed to me? the kubuntu-desktop?
[02:05] <rosso_> Sakkath_: yes i remember that was of importance
[02:05] <Cainus> rosso_: thanks... looking into it
[02:05] <Sakkath_> rosso_: should i do that now?
[02:05] <rosso_> Cainus: it will make a backup of you old xorg.conf as fas as i remember
[02:06] <rosso_> Sakkath_: well, whenever you feel like
[02:06] <Sakkath_> rosso_: would it matter much?
[02:07] <rosso_> Sakkath_: the missing kubuntu-desktop package? i guess, at least i have something in mind that it is of importance to have that package installed while upgrade
[02:07] <rosso_> it is installed by default anyway
[02:08] <Sakkath_> rosso_: well i would think once it's done the updater thingie will find the new version if it exists, it's def. installed atm since i'm on kubuntu
[02:08] <Sakkath_> oh
[02:08] <Sakkath_> erm
[02:08] <Sakkath_> nvm
[02:08] <Sakkath_> oh not nvm >.>
[02:09] <Cainus> rosso_: is there a nice safe easy way to restart x after to try the new config?
[02:09] <rosso_> well, yes update-manager ill find the new version, get new sources.list and upgrade
[02:10] <Sakkath_> ctrl+alt+backspace is safe
[02:10] <rosso_> yes
[02:10] <Sakkath_> or using the initscript
[02:10] <Sakkath_> the former is easier
[02:11] <Sakkath_> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[02:15] <flaccid> !lts
[02:15] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:16] <flaccid> when is next LTS version?
[02:16] <Sakkath_> rosso_: it's failing with that error
[02:17] <rosso_> Sakkath_: else go the kosole way...change your /etc/apt/sources.list. change all "edgy" to "feisty". run: sudo apt-get clean followed by sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade another time and try it even a third time, till theres nothing left to upgrade
[02:17] <rosso_> and thats it
[02:17] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yeah, i can do that; teh guide offers that as an other option.. 'not recommended' though but i can do that
[02:18] <zipper> rosso_, running apt-get dist-upgrade multiple times doesnt make much sense. One should be enough.
[02:18] <flaccid> sometimes one aint enough heh
[02:18] <Sakkath_> i'm on 6.06 i got a few versions to upgrade to ;P
[02:18] <rosso_> if there should be any errors you might be able to fix it with sudo apt-get -f install or sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:19] <rosso_> zipper: actually the system isnt fully upgraded after having it run only one time. dont ask me why, its just like that
[02:19] <rosso_> zipper: insert "sometimes" into my last post
[02:19] <zipper> i would in fact like to ask you about that, since i dont believe it
[02:20] <Sakkath_> can i tell what apt-get install update-manager also installed?
[02:20] <Sakkath_> I guess I don't need it since it doesn't work and I'll just use the apt-get method.
[02:20] <rosso_> zipper: well, than just dont believe it. i dont believe in god you dont believe in doing dist-upgrade a second time
[02:20] <Sakkath_> I don't believe in god either
[02:20] <Sakkath_> :P
[02:20] <zipper> god doesnt have an open and freely available sourcecode where you can check for sure
[02:21] <flaccid> i believe in dog, as in k9, same thing?
[02:21] <level1_> !aptfix
[02:21] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:21] <Sakkath_> 'cause he don't exist ;D
[02:21] <flaccid> :p
[02:21] <Sakkath_> level1_: that wasn't directed to anyone, was it?
[02:21] <level1_> Sakkath_: yeah, me
[02:21] <Sakkath_> level1_: ok, just checking
[02:21] <Sakkath_> Hey, what does an insomniac agnostic dyslexic do?
[02:22] <rosso_> zipper:  good point, i saw it....ive seen it happen. od did speak to me
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: how does that happen?  I don't remember crashing apt before
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: stay up all night wondering if there is a dog?
[02:22] <Sakkath_> level1_: yeah
[02:22] <Sakkath_> haha
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: I'm agnostic and the joke offends me :)
[02:23] <Sakkath_> I'm atheist and I find it funny.  Jokes always offend at least *someone* "learn to take a joke" </cliche>
[02:23] <flaccid> its funny when people get offensive about something that doesn't even exist
[02:23] <Sakkath_> flaccid: *hi-five!!*
[02:24] <flaccid> *hi five!*
[02:24] <Sakkath_> :D
[02:24] <flaccid> (borat stylez)
[02:24] <Sakkath_> ewww
[02:24] <Sakkath_> OK I guess..
[02:24] <level1_> flaccid: but I keep telling mac users that their OS has no utility
[02:24] <Sakkath_> utility for what lol
[02:24] <flaccid> mac has much utilities
[02:24] <level1_> flaccid: they get offended over something that doesn't exsist
[02:24] <Sakkath_> level1_: maybe you're not root? maybe another user or a program is using apt-get?
[02:25] <level1_> Sakkath_: no, and no
[02:25] <flaccid> mac os x has lots of utils wtf
[02:25] <Sakkath_> level1_: maybe a ghost process? :S
[02:25] <flaccid> level1_: can you be specific
[02:25] <level1_> well, if there is another program running, I don't know how it got there
[02:25] <Sakkath_> some kind of updater?
[02:25] <Sakkath_> idk ;x
[02:25] <level1_> flaccid: I'm kidding... mac is a nice computer, I don't like the interface very much
[02:25] <flaccid> ah rightio
[02:26] <level1_> just my opinion
[02:26] <flaccid> fink is good
[02:26] <Sakkath_> fink?
[02:26] <flaccid> its just the closed sourceness of components of os x base that suck
[02:26] <flaccid> yeah
[02:26] <flaccid> like fink update/commander
[02:26] <Sakkath_> err.. i ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop so now all i have to do is edit sources.list from dapper to edgy?
[02:26] <Sakkath_> and apt said kubuntu-desktop is its latest vesion
[02:26] <flaccid> for upgrade yeah
[02:26] <Sakkath_> i guess adept did that for me
[02:27] <flaccid> kubuntu-desktop is only a meta package
[02:27] <rosso_> zipper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[02:27] <flaccid> remove it and add it again for latest packs..
[02:27] <Sakkath_> oh
[02:27] <Sakkath_> ok
[02:27] <rosso_> "NOTE: The first run of dist-upgrade will upgrade everything except for upstart. After this a second dist-upgrade will finish the upgrade."
[02:27] <zipper> "NOTE: The first run of dist-upgrade will upgrade everything except for upstart. After this a second dist-upgrade will finish the upgrade."
[02:27] <flaccid> usually after dist-uprade you do a reinstall/install of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal to ensure you have all the packs in those meta packs
[02:27] <Sakkath_> ahaha
[02:27] <zipper> what exactly do the person who wrote that mean?
[02:27] <Sakkath_> zipper: it's funny that you said that same time rosso_ did?
[02:28] <flaccid> !info upstart
[02:28] <ubotu> upstart: event-based init daemon. In component main, is required. Version 0.3.8-1 (feisty), package size 155 kB, installed size 316 kB
[02:28] <Sakkath_> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades so that guide is completely wrong?
[02:28] <Sakkath_> i can't use the update-manager metod
[02:28] <Sakkath_> flaccid: thanks
[02:28] <zipper> but
[02:28] <zipper> upstart _should_ be affected by the first dist-upgrade afaik?
[02:29] <flaccid> that guide should be fine
[02:29] <Sakkath_> flaccid: it doesn't mention dist-upgrade anywhere
[02:29] <rosso_> zipper: should but isnt as it seems...ask mark shuttleworth, dunno
[02:29] <flaccid> but in theory you should be able to dist-upgrade and not upgrade
[02:29] <zipper> probably is, its just the multiple dist-upgrades that makes me wonder
[02:29] <Sakkath_> flaccid: nor does it mention removing kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal/standard
[02:29] <flaccid> it does it in step 5...
[02:29] <Tabmow> how do i set adept to use a proxy server when downloading packages, or using apt-get?
[02:29] <Sakkath_> they have youdo dist-upgrade at the end
[02:30] <flaccid> Sakkath_: upgrades are rarely smooth.. thats why you remove and add again to be sure. removing a meta package doesn't remove any packages...
[02:30] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i removed kubuntu-desktop and nothing else was removed
[02:30] <flaccid> but yeah that guide is fine
[02:30] <flaccid> it will do whats required
[02:30] <Sakkath_> flaccid: ok..
[02:30] <flaccid> tahts right
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu really needs to get on a rolling upgrade program
[02:30] <Sakkath_> i guess adept did it for me earlier than
[02:31] <flaccid> its in the case where you had problems with packs, had to do something manual due to a conflict or something then you re-add those two meta packages to make sure you didn't miss any crucial packs
[02:31] <rosso_> the update-manager worked fine for me un kubuntu
[02:31] <Sakkath_> rosso_: it crashes with a weird error
[02:32] <flaccid> updates are smoother if you didn't add *any* extra packages after initial install. i usually had at least a few hundred more so upgrading for me is usually a chore.
[02:32] <flaccid> had=add
[02:32] <rosso_> but now i think i remember....it is called with when done via sudo which is not available on  kubuntu so i started it with kdesu probably
[02:32] <Sakkath_> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[02:32] <flaccid> wtf
[02:32] <Sakkath_> rosso_: sudo is of course available, it says to use gksu, so i used kdesu instead
[02:32] <flaccid> what says that Sakkath_
[02:33] <Sakkath_> rosso_: that's the error btw
[02:33] <Sakkath_> flaccid: when i tried to use update-manager to do this
[02:33] <Sakkath_> E: Package kubuntu-desktop has no installation candidate
[02:33] <Sakkath_> err
[02:33] <flaccid> i would try adept if anything - you probably don't have a gnome/gtk dep for it
[02:33] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i'm not sure how to use that to do a dist upgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> Sakkath_: i see...yes that i wa thinking too, missing gtk libs...maybe had them installed coincedentally
[02:34] <Sakkath_> well why wouldn't it have done the deps itself
[02:34] <flaccid> Sakkath_: just use apt-get
[02:34] <Sakkath_> and wtf why can't i get kubuntu-desktop back
[02:34] <flaccid> i would never use a gui frontend to do an upgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> Sakkath_: chance sources lists open adept fetch updates fullupgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> and
[02:34] <rosso_> full upgrade second time lol
[02:34] <Dave__> help, i set my monitor settings to the monitor ihave and now it comes up to a grey screen
[02:35] <flaccid> yeah apt-get update then see if the pkg is available
[02:35] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.32ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[02:35] <flaccid> its in main
[02:35] <Dave__> yes
[02:36] <rosso_> Dave__: start in text mode and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <rosso_> or
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, is it a grey screen with a big black X or just completely blank?
[02:36] <Dave__> just completely black
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, do the reconfigure thing then
[02:37] <Dave__> ok thanks
[02:38] <doug_> would it be advisable to install ati drivers from their website?
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know offhand if the PCSX package works on its own or if it needs the same BIOS image that the Windows version used to require?
[02:38] <hitmanWilly> doug_, no
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> !ati | doug
[02:39] <ubotu> doug: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:39] <Sakkath_> ill brb >..
[02:40] <alirio> buenas
[02:40] <alirio> tengo una pregunta
[02:40] <NickPresta> !es | alirio
[02:40] <ubotu> alirio: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:41] <alirio> ok
[02:41] <Dave__> it says x-server is not installed
[02:41] <rosso_> Dave__: plese copy the line you entered
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, the pkg is xserver-xorg
[02:42] <flaccid> is that from sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:42] <Sakkath_> so how do i install kubuntu-dekstop?
[02:42] <Sakkath_> desktop
[02:43] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <flaccid> in your case sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will work if your sources.list is correct
[02:43] <Dave__> i typed rossos line above
[02:43] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i still get that thingie
[02:43] <flaccid> sources is wrong then
[02:43] <alirio> i have  aquestion
[02:44] <rosso_> Dave__: please copy it here to make sure theres no typo
[02:44] <Sakkath_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:44] <Sakkath_>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: hwdb-client-kde but it is not going to be installed
[02:44] <Sakkath_>                    Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[02:44] <Sakkath_> E: Broken packages
[02:44] <Sakkath_> great
[02:44] <Dave__> im on windows
[02:44] <flaccid> !pastebin > Sakkath_
[02:44] <Sakkath_> yeah.. sorry..
[02:44] <rosso_> Dave__: ????????
[02:44] <flaccid> Sakkath_: i would re-generate your sources.list first
[02:45] <flaccid> !source-o-matic > Sakkath_
[02:45] <Dave__> ill try it again
[02:45] <flaccid> !info hwdb-client-kde
[02:45] <ubotu> hwdb-client-kde: KDE client program for the Ubuntu Hardware Database. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.10.1 (feisty), package size 310 kB, installed size 476 kB
[02:45] <alirio> are there some problem if i update kubuntu  6.06.1 since alternate cd
[02:45] <alirio> ??
[02:45] <Sakkath_> stop pm lol
[02:45] <flaccid> that pack is in main
[02:45] <flaccid> ok
[02:45] <flaccid> i'll just spam the chan instead
[02:46] <Sakkath_> flaccid: ty ;P it's just a one-liner. anyways uh, you want me to set it to edgy, the one i am upgrading to, right?
[02:46] <alirio> right
[02:46] <rosso_> Sakkath_: youre upgrading to edgy?
[02:47] <Dave__> i typed"sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> rosso_, he's upgrading from 6.06 to feisty
[02:47] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yes, i'm on 6.06 and i think i have to go to 6.10 before anything right?
[02:47] <alirio> no i want upgrade to kubuntu feisty fawn
[02:47] <flaccid> Sakkath_: yep
[02:47] <flaccid> don't you want to upgrade to feisty.. set your sources to what you are dist-upgrading to
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, it said not installed again?
[02:47] <Dave__> yes
[02:48] <flaccid> you can upgrade from dapper to feisty - it may not be as smooth however
[02:48] <rosso_> Sakkath_: as soon as your package dependencies are messed DONT upgrade
[02:48] <Sakkath_> flaccid: well i wanna go to the latest ver
[02:48] <Sakkath_> i need to go to edgy first no?
[02:48] <flaccid> ok latest is feisty
[02:48] <Sakkath_> then feisty
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:48] <alirio> but are ther eany problem if i upgrade 6.0.6.1 to 6.10
[02:48] <rosso_> Sakkath_: no first to edgy
[02:48] <flaccid> you don't need to, but it may be easier/less problems
[02:48] <Dave__> ok
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < Sakkath_> i need to go to edgy first no?
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < flaccid> ok latest is feisty
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < Sakkath_> then feisty
[02:49] <flaccid> i've upgraded from dapper to feisty before
[02:49] <Sakkath_> minus your line :P
[02:49] <flaccid> you can go from dapper to gutsy if you really wanted
[02:49] <Sakkath_> so i set sources.list to edgy then try to upgrade right?
[02:49] <alirio> and had some problem
[02:49] <alirio> ?
[02:49] <flaccid> but gutsy is not production
[02:49] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, there's some broken deps for ya :P
[02:49] <flaccid> i can fix broken deps heh
[02:49] <flaccid> you can go to edgy then to feisty or straight to feisty, your choice
[02:50] <Dave__> says couldnt find package
[02:50] <Sakkath_> flaccid: dont wanna chance anythin
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> !info xorg
[02:50] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:50] <rosso_> Sakkath_: run apt-get build-dep for a try
[02:50] <rosso_> before changing sources.list
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, sudo apt-get install xorg
[02:50] <Dave__> ok
[02:51] <flaccid> Sakkath_: you are chancing no matter how you upgrade....
[02:51] <alirio> i have  a alternet cd of 6.10 but i had read to some problems after of upgrade for example dont internet function and oters
[02:51] <Sakkath_> flaccid: err. ok. 'don't want to have an even greater risk' i dont know lol
[02:52] <flaccid> do to edgy then to feisty then. but thats double the d/l and double the time... up to you
[02:52] <alirio> better is clean install??
[02:52] <Sakkath_> we need 'nopaste' the gentoo nopaste ruby script in the packages i love that tool
[02:52] <flaccid> put it this way, i've never done an upgrade on ubuntu that hasn't had problems i've had to fix manual
[02:52] <flaccid> clean install will always be better, but you should not have to do that
[02:53] <alirio> why
[02:53] <alirio> ?
[02:53] <rosso_> alirio: no upgrade is fine, you should be more precise about the errors tat occured in case you want someone to be able to help you
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> alirio, the best way ive always found is to have /home on a seperate partition and clean install, at least on buntu boxes
[02:53] <flaccid> because its clean
[02:53] <Sakkath_> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/G37I5G31.html
[02:53] <Sakkath_> rosso_: rather, that as to you, you otld me to do build-dep
[02:53] <Sakkath_> :\
[02:54] <alirio> ok
[02:54] <flaccid> i didn't suggest that command, Sakkath_. but it doesn't look like your sources.list is healthy...
[02:54] <flaccid> pastebin sources.list Sakkath_
[02:54] <rosso_> You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[02:54] <Sakkath_> flaccid: rosso_ suggested build-dep
[02:54] <rosso_> Sakkath_: for christs sake read what the konsole tells you
[02:54] <flaccid> it doesn't matter Sakkath_... fix the sources.list
[02:54] <flaccid> read what it says lol
[02:55] <alirio> for exmaple dont internet function or some programs dont function after upgrade
[02:55] <Sakkath_> god is there anything like nopaste script for gentoo
[02:55] <Sakkath_> rosso_: i had used the source-o-matic or whatever
[02:56] <rosso_> Sakkath_: well, just make it work. theres a dozen web pages you can copy paste a clean source list from
[02:56] <Sakkath_> flaccid: there ya go http://rafb.net/p/3FBq6z52.html
[02:56] <Dave__> grrr...it forced a autocheck
[02:57] <flaccid> i gtg
[02:59] <rosso_> Sakkath_: ok. make a source list for you CURRENT version. apt-get update and upgrade and see if it brings any errors
[02:59] <Sakkath_> rosso_: ok
[03:00] <rosso_> Sakkath_: then just TRY to install kubuntu-dektop, it PROPABLY will tell you its already installed. then just follow instructions on the link ive posted above in case apt-get gives no error messages
[03:01] <Sakkath_> rosso_: i had removed kubuntu-desktop since flaccid or you told me i should uninstall then install
[03:01] <Sakkath_> so let's see.
[03:01] <rosso_> Sakkath_: not me for sure ...
[03:01] <Sakkath_> ok it installed this time
[03:01] <Sakkath_> kubuntu-desktop installed fine
[03:02] <Sakkath_> rosso_: you wanted me to update and 'upgrade'
[03:02] <Sakkath_> did you mean dist-upgrade?
[03:02] <rosso_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[03:03] <Sakkath_> rosso_: don't i want to upgrade to edgy before feisty?
[03:04] <rosso_>   sudo sed -e 's/\dapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:04] <rosso_> to change source list
[03:04] <rosso_> than do update
[03:04] <rosso_> than dist-upgrade (two times)
[03:06] <rosso_> Sakkath_: basically this routine works for all upgrades. if something should be weird. you might fiy it with the standart apt-get tools. man apt-get tells you a lot about that. i gotta go. nite
[03:06] <Sakkath_> rosso_: good night, ty buddy
[03:07] <smile> ?
[03:07] <smile> 
[03:07] <Sakkath_> O_o
[03:07] <Sakkath_> i didn't know this suppored that
[03:07] <Sakkath_> lol
[03:07] <smile> chinese.........
[03:07] <Sakkath_> ya
[03:07] <Sakkath_> what does it say? ;X
[03:08] <Dragnslcr> !cn
[03:08] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:08] <smile> thank you...
[03:08] <Dave__> i got it.. thanks everybody
[03:09] <smile> Sakkath form  ?
[03:10] <Sakkath_> smile: what are you talking about?
[03:10] <alirio> l
[03:10] <Sakkath_> l
[03:10] <smile> @_@
[03:12] <smile> 
[03:12] <smile> 
[03:14] <NickPresta> !cn | smile
[03:14] <ubotu> smile: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:14] <smile> hi~
[03:15] <smile> thank you, ubotu
[03:15] <smile> 
[03:15] <smile>  D
[03:16] <NickPresta> smile, this is the English Kubuntu support channel.
[03:16] <smile> 
[03:20] <Sakkath_> smile: what's with you
[03:20] <smile> NickPresta, Thank you,tell me.....
[03:20] <Sakkath_> um
[03:20] <NickPresta> sigh
[03:20] <Sakkath_> ...
[03:20] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: troll/
[03:21] <Sakkath_> ?*
[03:21] <NickPresta> I don't know. He has typed with chinese characters so I would imagine this person legitimately wants helps, but who knows. It isn't hard to bring up a character table...
[03:21] <smile> i am , bad english ........   -____________-!
[03:22] <Sakkath_> smile: so join #ubuntu-cn
[03:22] <NickPresta> smile, type: /join #ubuntu-cn
[03:22] <smile> i down...
[03:22] <smile> Thank you..
[03:22] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: but he said thank you twice for giving him the right channel
[03:22] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: then he just keeps asking weird stuff, he said to me Sakkath: form?
[03:26] <smile> form = 
[03:26] <smile> Where you from?
[03:26] <smile> form ..
[03:27] <NickPresta> !cn | smile
[03:27] <ubotu> smile: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:27] <Sakkath_> smile: USA
[03:28] <smile> in china
[03:28] <Sakkath_> yes
[03:29] <smile> china , HuBei, WuHan
[03:29] <smile> I would like to share with you, but language is a barrier, we think that I need help, is not, thank you for the kindness
[03:30] <Sakkath_> i'm assuming he's using a cheap translater
[03:30] <smile> This is the translation software translation, we can read?
[03:30] <Sakkath_> :S
[03:30] <Sakkath_> smile: have you tried #ubuntu-cn
[03:30] <dwidmann> Sakkath: I think that was a yes.
[03:30] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: yeah lol
[03:32] <dwidmann> I'm beginning to think that I need(want) a kvm.
[03:32] <smile> 
[03:32] <smile> I know that the Chinese community, and I just want to share that
[03:33] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: heh, they sure are useful
[03:33] <Sakkath_> smile: do you need help?
[03:33] <smile> 
[03:33] <smile> You are from which country?
[03:33] <smile> yes
[03:34] <smile> no..
[03:34] <smile> no.
[03:34] <Sakkath_> I am from USA
[03:34] <smile> no help
[03:34] <smile> : D
[03:34] <dwidmann> I'm also from the Beurocratic States of America :\
[03:34] <Sakkath_> Ok
[03:34] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: ?
[03:35] <dwidmann> The more I read about our countries state of affairs the more I'm bothered by it :\ Nevermind.
[03:35] <smile> 
[03:35] <smile> You know very pleased
[03:35] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: me too. i'm off to canada when i'm old enough
[03:36] <smile> 
[03:36] <smile> How old are you?
[03:37] <smile> : D
[03:37] <newzen> hi all, how can i see tv that requiere window media player??
[03:37] <smile> i am 26,
[03:38] <dwidmann> newzen: will vlc play it? how about mplayer? Worth a try
[03:38] <smile> 
[03:38] <Sakkath_> I am 16.
[03:39] <smile> Sakkath ,,
[03:39] <newzen> im going to try, but one by default is there on a brand new install??
[03:40] <smile> 
[03:40] <smile> Here is the place to learn Ubuntu?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> smile: this is the kubuntu support channel
 I'm also from the Beurocratic States of America :\
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> where users ask questions.
[03:40] <smile> 
[03:40] <zipper> name me one country from the 1st world that isnt beucratic =S
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> zipper: where the education is so bad, people can't spell beaurocratic.
[03:41] <smile> 
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:41] <zipper> nosrednaekim, also, name me a country where anyone would care about that
[03:41] <newzen> smile: is not good etiquette write in other language
[03:41] <Chippy> hey, does someone want to help me out with resizing a partition?
[03:41] <smile> Sattath ,You are a legend in computer genius?
[03:41] <zipper> nosrednaekim, you're just playing mr. fancypants cus' you use xchat's dictionary =)
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> zipper: nope.. using konversation here without spell checking :)
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: sure.. what do you want to do?
[03:42] <zipper> heh, i use xchat, i just dont care too much about those red lines under every word =P
[03:42] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: well I have a bunch of free space before my partition, and I want to use it
[03:43] <zipper> everyone online is so horrible at typing a proper sentence anyway, so i stand out as a perfectionist anyway =P
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: was this old windows space or something?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> zipper: I know.. I was just kiddin ya..
[03:43] <zipper> i know
[03:43] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: I'm on a livecd and I'm trying to resize it but gparted is a <insert word here>
[03:43] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: yeah, just resized my ntfs partition
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: awesome program?
[03:43] <zipper> but it's 4am.... i'm allowed to go on a talk-to-yourself rage by now
[03:44] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: insulting word :)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> zipper: heh... if you've been aroun here at all you know I am horrific at sentences.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: well you can't add that partition space to your existing installation you know..
[03:44] <zipper> nosrednaekim, No, you're not. Being horrible is "Can sum1 help me pleezorz?!?!!!!111"
[03:44] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: done it before
[03:45] <BluesKaj> bureaucratic ?  .. nosrednaekim :)
[03:45] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: why can't I do it?
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> zipper: no,i'm like "gop to the enf of the line edit prefernces"
[03:45] <zipper> lol
[03:45] <zipper> it's "bureaucratic" actually
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: AHHHH!
[03:45] <zipper> not "beaurocratic" as you said =S
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> see what I said about our education?
[03:46] <smile> 
[03:46] <zipper> heh
[03:46] <smile> 
[03:46] <zipper> i wouldn't take an education that focused on me spelling "bureaucratic" correct
[03:46] <smile> 
[03:46] <Chippy> so no ideas on the partition?
[03:46] <zipper> smile, we do not understand you
[03:47] <zipper> or at least, i dont
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> !partitions
[03:47] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:48] <BluesKaj> yup, wifey is a retired teacher ...the cirriculum was toyally devastated by the silly bureaucrats in the dept of education back in the 70s and made it almost impossible for "english" to have any respect or stature in the system after that
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: depending on the amount of space you can muster, you can torn it into your /home folder
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> zipper: lol
[03:48] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: ...I've resized my root partition before, never had any problems...
[03:48] <sheldonc> why does kubuntu have wickedly different branding?
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: but no doubt you have either added to the end of it, or made it smaller
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> sheldonc: like it?
[03:49] <zipper> BluesKaj, hmm? I would say english has very much respect and stature. It's far from being the mostly spoken language and still, it's a de facto standard in the IT business
[03:49] <smile> 
[03:49] <smile> We Manmanliao, I first, the wait for the next return, my translation software is not bad. . Oh
[03:50] <smile> 
[03:50] <smile> We continue to chat, I first, the wait for the next return, my translation software is not bad. . Oh
[03:50] <smile> : D
[03:50] <sheldonc> nosrednaekim: not really, i find it kind of distracting
[03:50] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: nope, last time I did it I actually made my windows partition (first partition) smaller, moved my swap partition to the end (from the middle) and moved my main partition backwards and resized it
[03:50] <BluesKaj> well in Ontario, grammar and spelling are fianlly getting some much needed attention again
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> sheldonc: yeah I don't like the default either.so I made it look like Vista..lol
[03:50] <zipper> not saying your translation software is bad smile, it just... makes wierd sentences sometimes, making it hard for us to understand what you want
[03:50] <BluesKaj> oops finally
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I can tell ;)
[03:51] <Chippy> BluesKaj: I find your typo ironic and humorous
[03:51] <zipper> BluesKaj, i have no idea where or what Ontario is to be honest
[03:51] <sheldonc> nosrednaekim: me too! i made my kicker have a vista taskbar bg too :)
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> and there were SEVERAL grammar errors in that sentence as well
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: well cool.. i didn't think you could do that :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> it's meant to be ...I'm old and grumpy ..a little humour ...and see geography is lacking in other places as well :)
[03:52] <zipper> nosrednaekim, there always is. Have you ever tried reading something that was 100% proper grammar usage? It's horrible
[03:52] <Chippy> zipper: Ontario is a province in Canada
[03:52] <smile> Thank you, you can read my translation, the language is a big obstacle, I ubuntu is the primary learners, I am glad to know you
[03:53] <BluesKaj> Ontario = 12 million Canadians live here
[03:53] <zipper> Chippy, i see
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: who care about canadians ;)
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> *cares
[03:53] <zipper> oh well, i guess i can always excuse my ignorance with me living what? 5.000km away? =P
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> zipper: YEP... I feel your pain
[03:53] <Chippy> zipper: where do you live?
[03:54] <zipper> smile, we're happy to have you here
[03:54] <smile> zipper,
[03:54] <smile> 
[03:54] <smile> You are a warm person,
[03:54] <zipper> Chippy, denmark... small country in scandinavia, europe. Right on top of germany
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, those who count do ...we Canadians do :)
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: what's Germany?
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: and where?
[03:54] <zipper> you know... nazi's?
[03:54] <zipper> =P
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: nope, they were 5,000km away
[03:55] <smile> 
[03:55] <smile> Friendly people
[03:55] <Chippy> zipper: I guess I can be excused.
[03:55] <zipper> pfff
[03:55] <zipper> okay
[03:55] <Chippy> zipper: :)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> <---born in Finland to Swedish ancestry ...moved to Canada 60 yrs ago
[03:55] <zipper> then i expect you to know rhus as well
[03:55] <zipper> one of the largest cities in denmark, you must know of it =P
[03:56] <BluesKaj> my grandmother was danish , from copenhagen :)
[03:56] <Chippy> zipper: I hope you get that I was making a point
[03:56] <zipper> BluesKaj, sure... once ice-country can be as good as the next one i guess
[03:56] <zipper> Chippy, i do, just being silly
[03:56] <Chippy> zipper: ah, good.  Excuse me, it's hard to tell on IRC, what with the large indigenous noob population and whatnot
[03:57] <BluesKaj> bah , you guys are wimps ...can't take a lil cold weather
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> HELP ME WITH MY KUBUNTU! ITS CRASHING WHEN I HIT CERTAIN KEY COMBINATIONS!
[03:57] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: hit it more, it'll fix itself sooner or later
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> CTRL+ALT+DEL for instance
[03:57] <zipper> Chippy, hehe, i know i'm not making it easier. I should really get to bed... have a nasty habit of going mental in the wee hours
[03:57] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: hm, try ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[03:58] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: if that doesn't work, type that remove command with the recursive and force options on the root folder
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> haha ever heard the story of the idot hacker? I'll tell it over on #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:58] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: (I think it's a bad idea to actually post the command anywhere)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> its actually not allowed
[03:59] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: bash ;)
[03:59] <Chippy> anyways, I be off
[03:59] <Chippy> cheers
[03:59] <zipper> heh
[03:59] <zipper> rm -rf........ reminds me of something i did once. Figured it was a good idea to 'chmod 666 -R /'
[04:00] <zipper> cant recommend it
[04:01] <zipper> damn you nosrednaekim
[04:01] <zipper> you promised me a bedtime story
[04:01] <zipper> =/
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> zipper: yeah.. I was typing it into #kubuntu-devel
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> I mixed up channels
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> :(
[04:01] <zipper> =)
[04:02] <zipper> well i hope they appreciated it
[04:03] <smile> goodbye....zipper !
[04:04] <zipper> cya
[04:04] <smkn> alooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:04] <zipper> hope we helped you somehow =P
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> hello
[04:06] <smile> hi.........
[04:06] <smile> :  D
[04:09] <BluesKaj> hey NickPresta., some ppl here are so well educated in linux they have no time for geography and don't care ... especially about Ontario. I'll give 1 guess where they reside. :)
[04:11] <zipper> BluesKaj, let me guess... they live in Ontario?
[04:11] <Sakkath_> smile: no, i'm not great with computers, but i'm good i guess
[04:12] <bryce_> Good evening folks!
[04:12] <BluesKaj> hey bryce_ . you in BC ?
[04:12] <bryce_> BluesKaj: Hello again... nope, from Grande Prairie, Alberta.
[04:13] <bryce_> BluesKaj: you know much about external hard drives connected thru a USB?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> aha , the province that has to pay americans to deliver babies :)
[04:13] <bryce_> lol Smart ass, you
[04:13] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:13] <bryce_> .... you are the second to say that to me :P
[04:13] <smile>   =  Good morning, everyone!
[04:13] <BluesKaj> 200K for that ...unreal
[04:14] <smile> sudo apt-get install stardict
[04:14] <BluesKaj> bryce_, not real good at external HDD stuff I'm afraid
[04:14] <smile> byebye ................
[04:15] <bryce_> OK... question... I've got an external hard drive hooked up thru USB... I had to run a pmount command to get it to work... is there any way to get the external hard drive to always remain on my desktop rather than always having to open it up thru terminal?
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: doesn't it automount?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> gotta be a script you can use to open it in fstab
[04:16] <bryce_> the process everytime I wanna listen to music is... pmount /dev/sda1.... cd /media/sda1 and it always shows up on the desktop afterwards.
[04:16] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: no it doesn't :( I wish it did
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: well go into system settings -> advanced-> disks and partitions
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> an configure that device label to mount to that place.
[04:18] <Soulwarp> hello, im having trouble changing my screen size, im trying to get 1280x1024, but it is still 1024x768. i went into system settings>monitor display>harware>administrator mode>monitor/configure...
[04:18] <Soulwarp> and changed it
[04:18] <Soulwarp> restarted X
[04:18] <Soulwarp> and no change
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, did you edit xorg.conf?
[04:18] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: I cannot found disks and partitions
[04:18] <bryce_> disks and filesystems?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah sorry
[04:18] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly no i used the system settings utility, i can check
[04:19] <BluesKaj> Soulwarp, did you check your graphics drivers as well, in sys settings ?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, that util won't go past the max res set in xorg.conf
[04:19] <bryce_> OK... now I need to let you know... I just installed Kubuntu yesterday... how do I configure that device to mount to the desktop? lol
[04:19] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly it was 1280x1024 before i changed it to 1024x768, then i wanted to go back to the higher res
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, set it to mount at /media/cdrom and link the device on the desktop
[04:20] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj it says 1280x1024 but it's actually 1024x768
[04:20] <bryce_> Gotcha, give me a second, will see if I can do it :)
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> hitmanWilly: this is external HD
[04:20] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj i've even rebooted the pc
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> oh, thought it was a cd, heh, that's the usual issue :P
[04:21] <BluesKaj> Soulwarp, which graphics card ?
[04:21] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: it gives me no option to link it to desktop, it's a light gray.
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> are you in admin mode?
[04:21] <bryce_> maybe? lol
[04:21] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj nvidia
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:21] <bryce_> lol I am now ;)
[04:21] <bryce_> I figured it out lol
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> !paste | Soulwarp
[04:22] <ubotu> Soulwarp: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:22] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly ya sec
[04:22] <bryce_> So where would the mount point be for the desktop?
[04:23] <bryce_> nevermind, under home lol
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: so you are mounting it in your /home/Desktop?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: thats not such a good idea.
[04:23] <Sakkath> firefox? mozilla-firefox?
[04:23] <Sakkath> what should i install
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> firefox
[04:24] <bryce_> I was going to... why is that a bad idea?
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Sakkath, firefox, IIRC
[04:24] <Sakkath> nosrednaekim: ty
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> one of them is just a dummy package anyway
[04:24] <Sakkath> XD
[04:24] <Sakkath> two answers
[04:24] <Sakkath> Mozilla Firefox says Transition package for firefox rename
[04:24] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34479/
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Sakkath, that's the dummy, then
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: because then other users won't be able to see it. Mount it to /media/sda1 and it should automatically show up on the desktop.
[04:25] <bryce_> Oh... OK... thanks!
[04:25] <Sakkath> hitmanWilly: ok
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, ok, you see the line under Section "Screen" at the end where it says modes?
[04:26] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly yea
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, move the 1280x1024@60 to the beginning of that line
[04:26] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly ok i'll try that and restart X
[04:27] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: Thanks a lot, that worked perfect!
[04:27] <Soulwarp> brb
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, k
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: NP
[04:30] <Soulwarp> thanks a lot, it worked!
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:31] <Soulwarp> l8er
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> nice to see the old slack skills still have some uses
[04:31] <Sakkath> why didn't ubuntu firefox pkg install icons and such
[04:32] <c1|freaky> doesn't like to
[04:32] <c1|freaky> ;D
[04:32] <c1|freaky> i have installed other, better icons
[04:32] <c1|freaky> from kde-look.org
[04:32] <Sakkath> lame
[04:32] <Sakkath> not even in the K menu?
[04:34] <scrubb> Help?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[04:34] <scrubb> Stuff keeps crashing on me.
[04:34] <scrubb> Power center crashes at login.
[04:34] <scrubb> Adept crashed a minute ago.
[04:35] <scrubb> Gave me the same error...something like SIGSEV code 11 or something like that.
[04:36] <scrubb> I'd like to just upgrade everything and see if it repairs the problem.
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, it may actually be a hw problem
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, have you run a memtest at all lately?
[04:37] <scrubb> No, but I"d be happy to.  Any flags I should feed it?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> sacktime here ...nite all
[04:37] <scrubb> Or are you talking about the one from the GRUB menu?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, the grub one
[04:38] <scrubb> What exactly does that do?
[04:38] <scrubb> I've never run it before.
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, it makes sure all the memory registers are acting properly
[04:38] <stoned> hi I have a ktorrent error on two torrents and I can't find any info about it online.  Error:  Cannot open index file /home/stoned/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/tor2/index : Too many open files
[04:39] <scrubb> hitman, is it quick to run?  I have 2GB of RAM.
[04:39] <stoned> they work for a while, and then stop with this error
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, if its a major error it usually finds it pretty quick
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, but to do a full test can take awhile
[04:39] <scrubb> I didn't used to get the errors.
[04:40] <mneptok> stoned: are you using Tor?
[04:40] <scrubb> They started showing up after I installed either the NVIDIA driver or Myth-TV.  I don't recall which one triggered it.
[04:40] <stoned> mneptok: what?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, multiple segfaults does seem to indicate a hw issue
[04:40] <mneptok> stoned: are. you. running. Tor?
[04:41] <stoned> mneptok: obviously. you. can't. help. me.
[04:41] <mneptok> TOR. The Onion Router.
[04:41] <mneptok> stoned: lol. classic.
[04:41] <scrubb> What would be the issue?  Bad memory bits?
[04:41] <stoned> mneptok: its the default location of where ktorrent stores torrents until they are done.  Torrents are numbered by tor0 tor1 tor2 instead of by name
[04:41] <scrubb> I get no errors in windows.
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, hmm, either that or a corrupted library somewhere
[04:42] <scrubb> That sounds more likely to me.
[04:42] <mneptok> stoned: and this dir. its permissions? the file?
[04:42] <scrubb> Which is why I was interested in updating everything.
[04:42] <stoned> mneptok: how you gather I am using TOR is beyond me.  Obviously you know jack.
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, id say do the memtest first, then try the upgrade
[04:42] <stoned> mneptok: ktorrent creates the files, so yes, obviously it has write permissions
[04:43] <mneptok> stoned: not necessarily
[04:43] <scrubb> *sigh*  I was hoping for a quicker fix.
[04:43] <scrubb> I really don't see how it could be a HW problem.
[04:43] <mneptok> stoned: another process could get forked to write. that process may get forked incorrectly.
[04:43] <scrubb> I'd think it would show up in windows too if it were.
[04:44] <scrubb> POST never reports any problems.
[04:44] <scrubb> Course I don't have it to a full memtest...
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, if you can figure out what deps the segfaulting apps have in common, you may be able to reinstall the offending culprit
[04:44] <mneptok> stoned: and seeing that that string "tor2" shows up in your error, it's not rocket science to wonder if TOR factors into things.
[04:45] <stoned> yes and you would know it has nothing to do with TOR if you'd ever used ktorrent before
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: i'm a GNOME person
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> bye all! have fun hackin!
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: doesn't mean i "don't know jack"
[04:45] <stoned> whatever, thanks for nothing.
[04:45] <angelus> :o
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: dude, lighten up
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> !attitude
[04:46] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:46] <stoned> I'm grand ;)
[04:46] <mneptok> people are trying to help you. for free.
[04:46] <angelus> stoned: that nick doest suit you, your not relaxed like you should be :p
[04:46] <stoned> you need not tell me that.  don't attack my attitude if you were unable to provide anything useful.
[04:46] <scrubb> lemme log out and back and see if I can get the backtrace again...
[04:46] <scrubb> brb
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:47] <Angelus> :o
[04:47] <Angelus> this guy is a gangsta
[04:47] <Angelus> :/
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> FATALITY!!!
[04:47] <Angelus> lol!! @ fatality
[04:47] <scrubb> OK.
[04:47] <Angelus> good night guys, peace.
[04:47] <p3bkac> yo.sup all
[04:48] <scrubb> Hitman, the backtrace lists three libs.
[04:48] <p3bkac> hoping someone can help...any reason why the system doesn't execute rc.local on system start?
[04:48] <p3bkac> I've googled but I can't figure out why
[04:48] <scrubb> libthread_db.so.1, libXrandr.so.2, and libX11.so.6
[04:48] <p3bkac> it's listed in the rcX.d's
[04:49] <p3bkac> but it just is not executing the script
[04:49] <scrubb> The last two appear in the [KCrash handler]  block at the bottom.
[04:49] <hydrogen> command-not-found is segfaulting whenever It gets run.. any ideas why?
[04:49] <p3bkac> I can execute it manually after system boot but its driving me crazy
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, well, if you can figure out which pkgs those come with, you may be able to reinstall them
[04:50] <scrubb> There is a way to make apt tell you that, right?
[04:50] <jhutchins> !find libthread_db.so.1
[04:50] <ubotu> File libthread_db.so.1 found in libc6, libc6-amd64, libc6-dbg, libc6-i686, libc6-xen
[04:50] <jhutchins> scrubb: Yes.
[04:50] <dwidmann> use dpkg -S filename
[04:50] <hayami> hi
[04:50] <hydrogen> !find command-not-found
[04:50] <ubotu> Found: command-not-found, command-not-found-data
[04:50] <scrubb> lol Thanks.
[04:50] <hayami> jhutchins hi!! i'm kazuma_ xD
[04:51] <scrubb> !find libXrandr.so.2
[04:51] <hayami> do you remember me? xD
[04:51] <ubotu> Package/file libxrandr.so.2 does not exist in feisty
[04:51] <p3bkac> anyone here familiar with rc.local?
[04:51] <scrubb> I think that one is part of the NVIDIA package...
[04:51] <scrubb> Or was it MythTV...
[04:51] <jhutchins> scrubb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[04:52] <hayami> jhutchins
[04:52] <hayami> how do i install mp3 format xD
[04:52] <scrubb> yay! a howto
[04:52] <jhutchins> scrubb: I'd reinstall libc6 and go from there.
[04:52] <jhutchins> hayami: Most people seem to need libxine-extracodecs.
[04:52] <klobster> kbfx slows down my boot up _bad_
[04:52] <hayami> =o and how do i install them?
[04:52] <jhutchins> aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[04:53] <jhutchins> hayami: More detailed info here, but you have to actually follow the links: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <hayami> is it a code called like ffmpg or something like that?
[04:54] <Zombie> Hello.
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> hayami, that's one app
[04:55] <Zombie> I'm having an issue with Kubuntu flat out ignoring changes to my Xorg configuration/
[04:55] <jhutchins> hayami: ffmpeg is a media utility.
[04:55] <hayami> =o
[04:55] <hayami> thanks
[04:55] <leemiller> I am having trouble with Compiz-Fusion on Kubuntu.  Has anyone had any luck with this?
[04:56] <jhutchins> hayami: Give the aptitude command a try, see if it works.
[04:56] <leemiller> I had it working perfectly in Gnome,  but I personally would rather use KDE
[04:56] <jhutchins> leemiller: #ubuntu-effects should have some.
[04:56] <leemiller> the IRC channel #ubuntu-effects?
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, ignoring how?
[04:57] <leemiller> Thanks
[04:58] <Zombie> As in I make changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <Zombie> and restart
[04:58] <Zombie> An Xorg ignores me.
[04:58] <jhutchins> leemiller: Yeah, officially we don't do compiz/beryl here.
[04:59] <leemiller> ok
[04:59] <jhutchins> leemiller: Not that there aren't people here sometimes who know their way around it.
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, are you sure you're changing the right section?
[04:59] <Zombie> Very.
[04:59] <leemiller> I am new to the IRC chatting,  sorry for the inconvinence
[04:59] <jhutchins> Zombie: What are you changing?
[04:59] <jhutchins> leemiller: Well, I didn't want you to feel like you were being booted.
[05:00] <leemiller> thanks much
[05:00] <Zombie> Adding screen resolutions 400x300, and 320x240
[05:00] <jhutchins> leemiller: Some chat clients like konversation will highlight a channel name and you can just doubleclick it instead of /join #ubuntu-effects.
[05:00] <leemiller> cool
[05:00] <leemiller> I will have to remember that
[05:00] <jhutchins> Zombie: Start x from a console and see what it says about those modes.
[05:00] <leemiller> Konversation seems to be a decent client
[05:01] <scrubb> So after I reinstall/uninstall a package, do I need to do anything special like logout or reboot?
[05:01] <leemiller> what are you guys working on this evening?
[05:01] <Zombie> I don't think you understand the dispiarity here.
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, for those, probably not
[05:01] <jhutchins> leemiller: I used to use xchat but it started crashing on me (gtk problem or something), so I got used to konversation.
[05:01] <scrubb> Ok.  I reinstalled Libc6 and uninstalled mythTV.
[05:01] <scrubb> Let's see what happens...
[05:01] <scrubb> brb
[05:01] <leemiller> (does not seem like anyone is talking on ubuntu-effects)
[05:01] <Zombie> My xorg.conf has a configuration completely unlike my xrandr reports
[05:02] <Zombie> in Xorg.conf, the only reported configuration is 1200x800
[05:02] <jhutchins> leemiller: Well, it's like 3am in Western Europe.
[05:02] <leemiller> oh
[05:02] <leemiller> good point
[05:02] <scrubb> k, that didn't get it...
[05:02] <Zombie> When I run XRandr, I see 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480
[05:02] <scrubb> zombie, what's Xrandr?
[05:02] <jawee> I asked on #kde first, but not as many people seem to be around.
[05:02] <jawee> anyway, how do I set two different panels to have different transparency settings?
[05:03] <jhutchins> Zombie: Do all three of those work?
[05:03] <Zombie> and thats what logs it reports it processes.
[05:03] <Zombie> Yes.
[05:03] <scrubb> Is that part of the nvidia driver?
[05:03] <jhutchins> jawee: compiz/beryl?
[05:03] <jawee> jhutchins: kwin
[05:03] <Zombie> But they are not part of the xorg.cconf file.
[05:03] <Zombie> They aren't even listed!
[05:03] <jhutchins> jawee: Dunno, I only have the one panel.
[05:04] <jhutchins> jawee: Kicker/panel thingy at the bottom of the screen, known in windows as taskbar/system tray.
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, you are editing xorg.conf with root privs, correct? (sudo)
[05:04] <jawee> jhutchins: I have two, but the same. My friend who is trying to switch from GNOME wanted to known how
[05:04] <jawee> jhutchins: Yes, I know. I have used KDE for a while. I'm just trying to get someone to use KDE. :D
[05:05] <Zombie> Yes.
[05:05] <flaccid> Sakkath: how did you go
[05:05] <Zombie> I could maybe delete the damn file and it would do the same thing.
[05:06] <scrubb> What's the key combo to restard X? CTRL+ALT+BKSP?
[05:06] <scrubb> er restart
[05:06] <jhutchins> Zombie: x will usually report diagnostics when it reads that file either to screen or log.
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, yup
[05:06] <scrubb> k
[05:06] <flaccid> ctrl + alt + bkspc kills X
[05:06] <jhutchins> Zombie: Which is why I recommended that you start it from a console and see if you can catch what it says about modelines and resolutions.
[05:07] <Zombie> I could shovel it into a Pastebin
[05:09] <jhutchins> jawee: Sorry, I don't even know why you'd have two panels, so having two panels with different configs is beyond me.
[05:09] <jhutchins> jawee: Either you can or you can't.
[05:10] <jawee> jhutchins: for him, he likes to set up a sort of OS X panel with his. for me, I just prefer to have my system tray and pager on a seperate one
[05:12] <jawee> Anyway, any other ideas for customizing two panels seperately?
[05:13] <jhutchins> jawee: If changing settings in one of them affects both panels, then you're probably out of luck, but change the settings in one and see if the other one changes.
[05:14] <jawee> jhutchins: there seems to be no way to change settings for just one panel.
[05:14] <jawee> jhutchins: the settings seem to be generic to kicker
[05:16] <ardchoille> jawee: If you have more than one panel, you can customise each one via the drop down menu
[05:16] <jawee> ardchoille: not for the transparency tab
[05:17] <jawee> ardchoille: Only for the arrangement and hiding tabs
[05:17] <ardchoille> Ah, true.. that sucks
[05:17] <jawee> ardchoille: I think I'll try to snoop around in .kde and see what I can kind.
[05:18] <hayami> how do i uninstall a package
[05:18] <jawee> hayami: GUI or no GUI?
[05:18] <jawee> GUI or console rather
[05:19] <hayami> explain me friend cuz im new xD
[05:19] <hayami> i have this problem, can you send me the pastebin?
[05:19] <jawee> hayami: Are you using the add/remove programs in the k menu?
[05:19] <hayami> to show you my friend?
[05:19] <ardchoille> !paste
[05:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:19] <hayami> thanks
[05:19] <jhutchins> !paste | hayami
[05:19] <ubotu> hayami: please see above
[05:21] <jhutchins> Hm, only 12 nicks in #kubuntu-es
[05:21] <hayami> check budies
[05:21] <hayami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34482/
[05:22] <jawee> hmm
[05:22] <ardchoille> hayami: If you're looking for libdvdcss2, you may want to add the Seveas repo
[05:22] <ardchoille> !seveas
[05:22] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:23] <adam_> Hi eveyone. Just installed Kubuntu 7.04. Something went wrong in the update after install and now I cant update - its saying another process is using the package DB but I cant find it in TOP process list. And if I reboot its the same
[05:23] <hayami> =o
[05:23] <hayami> how do i add it?
[05:23] <hayami> well
[05:23] <hayami> i know how
[05:23] <hayami> but what is the link xD
[05:23] <jhutchins> !aptfix | adam_
[05:23] <ardchoille> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:23] <ubotu> adam_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:24] <ardchoille> hayami: Read that page ^
[05:24] <hayami> i put it in /etc/apt/source.list right?
[05:24] <ardchoille> hayami: Read that page ^
[05:25] <adam_> <3 ubotu! Many thanks mate legend
[05:25] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[05:25] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:25] <ardchoille> !bot | adam_
[05:25] <ubotu> adam_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:25] <adam_> lolz the bot that knows all
[05:26] <adam_> Ty jhutchins
[05:27] <phoenixz> Hi all, I can use ctrl-ins to copy anywhere in KDE except the shell console.. How or where can I configure this correctly?
[05:27] <namol> phoenixz: in an actual console or in the console while running X?
[05:27] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can hilight in konsole and right click to get some choices
[05:27] <hayami> can you give me a link to paste it? cuz i don't understand that friend :p
[05:28] <ardchoille> !paste | hayami
[05:28] <ubotu> hayami: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:28] <phoenixz> namol, console while running kde yeah
[05:28] <phoenixz> ardchoille, I know I can do it that way but I like the keyboard, its much more efficient and faster.. so I'd like a keyboard shortcut, which works everywhere in KDE, but not in the console
[05:29] <namol> try ctrl+c?
[05:29] <namol> it tells you the shortcut when you right click though, so then you'll know for future use
[05:31] <phoenixz> namol, thats the deal, there is NO shortcut displayed in console either.. paste has shift+insert, but copy does not show anything
[05:31] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can set a keyboard shortcut for copy and another one for paste.  Settings -> Configure Shorcuts
[05:31] <hayami> any repositorie that contains the package i'm looking for?
[05:31] <hayami> it's hard for me to understand xD
[05:32] <vsudilov> anyone know the default hotkey for hibernate?
[05:32] <namol> phoenixz: I think in konsole, just selecting the text copies it
[05:32] <namol> try it
[05:33] <phoenixz> ardchoille, again, its specified there as CTRL-INS.. but not in console.. dunno why not.. its as if console ignores the setting
[05:33] <phoenixz> namol, yeah, I know the select-autocopy feature but Id like to copy to the clipboard
[05:33] <namol> phoenixz: there's special ctrl + functions in the console
[05:33] <hayami> can someone can send me the list of the repositories
[05:33] <hayami> that i should have? :p
[05:33] <namol> which is why i think it doesn't want to work for you
[05:34] <hayami> please that would be very kind
[05:34] <ardchoille> hayami: Which package are you looking for?
[05:34] <phoenixz> namol, gottit! thanks! :)
[05:35] <namol> hayami: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[05:35] <Sakkath> flaccid: adept is upgrading a lot of things, i was gonna do a normal adept update but it offered to upgrade to feisty for me so i figured why not :P ty buddy
[05:35] <dga> how do i disable the system beep in kubuntu?
[05:35] <hayami> the one it's missing man
[05:35] <ardchoille> hayami: libdvdcss2 ?
[05:36] <hayami> yeah dude
[05:36] <hayami> sorry
[05:36] <hayami> and thanks
[05:36] <hayami> for the page
[05:36] <hayami> but
[05:36] <hayami> i don't understand a lot of repositories
[05:36] <namol> what package are you trying to install?
[05:36] <hayami> i just see links a links
[05:36] <ardchoille> hayami: Go to this page and read, it explains how to add this repo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:36] <hayami> libdvdcss2
[05:37] <flaccid> Sakkath: sweet now you just have to wait for it fail
[05:37] <flaccid> :p
[05:38] <namol> aptitude search libdvdcss2 :\
[05:38] <ardchoille> namol: It won't find it until he adds a repo cuz libdvdcss2 isn't in the main repos
[05:39] <franko24> I have this problem when I make "make modules modules_install". Can someone please help me?             http://pastebin.com/m170d93ae
[05:39] <hayami> namol
[05:39] <hayami> see what appeared
[05:40] <hayami> hayami@hayamilap:~$ sudo aptitude search libdvdcss2
[05:40] <hayami> BB  libdvdcss2-dev                  - development files for libdvdcss2
[05:40] <hayami> hayami@hayamilap:~$
[05:40] <namol> hayami: what version are you running?
[05:41] <hayami> from?
[05:41] <hayami> feisty
[05:41] <hayami> xD
[05:42] <namol> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-mplayer-and-multimedia-codecs-libdvdcss2w32codecs-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html
[05:42] <namol> there's a walk through on how to do it
[05:43] <ardchoille> It seems all he has to do is  "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2" and he's done
[05:44] <hayami> thanks namol
[05:44] <phoenixz> Anybody with some experience with automatix? Does it use .deb packages that will also automatically be updated with the apt-get updater??
[05:44] <ardchoille> !automatix | phoenixz
[05:44] <ubotu> phoenixz: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:45] <ardchoille> phoenixz: automatix is very bad, don't use it.
[05:45] <namol> I don't care too much for automatix
[05:45] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Do I even dare to ask why it is so bad? :)
[05:45] <phoenixz> I mean, basically it does sound nice...
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Too many people come in here after having their systems trashed by automatix.. it's quite dangerous
[05:46] <phoenixz> Though I would prefer a nice .deb repo and use adept manager...
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz:  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[05:46] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Im readin already
[05:46] <namol> phoenixz: use apt
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can easily do anything automatix can do with a little reading
[05:46] <namol> or something
[05:47] <namol> apt and dpkg
[05:47] <phoenixz> ardchoille, I know.. its just that I keep having quite a few problems, with -for example- video and audio..
[05:47] <ardchoille> phoenixz: What are your video problems? I can try and help with that. I don't use audio.
[05:48] <Sakkath> flaccid: lol
[05:49] <phoenixz> ardchoille, audio is more related to an external USB and ALSA being a bit.. eh.. not mature enough... :) About video: Its like a progressively worse situation.. mplayer on any video file will show me the first frame and its stops.. xine simply crashed after xine-config had its way with it (I'll reinstall xine completely, still have to do that) and right now, I can sometimes play wmv files with only kaffeine (only one left) but wmv files show massive codec
[05:49] <phoenixz>  errors (you know, the bright blue -green-yellow colors over the screen)
[05:50] <ardchoille> phoenixz: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:50] <Sakkath> how should i install plugins for firefox for video
[05:50] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You might also want to add the seveas repo and install w32codecs
[05:50] <ardchoille> !seveas
[05:50] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:51] <ardchoille> That'll help with wmv files
[05:53] <phoenixz> ardchoille, seveas repo?
[05:53] <ardchoille> Yes, it's a nice repo
[05:53] <phoenixz> ardchoille, where do I find that one?
[05:53] <ardchoille> !seveas | phoenixz
[05:53] <ubotu> phoenixz: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:54] <phoenixz> ardchoille, mmmm... I just continued reading.. this package indeed sucks hairy balls -pardon my french-  but as I read it, even starting it, without installing anything yet, is dangerous.. is that correct?
[05:54] <ardchoille> Not sure, I haven't used it since it trashed my box last year.. best to stay away from it, though.
[05:54] <jhutchins> phoenixz: dcss?
[05:55] <phoenixz> jhutchins, excuse me?
[05:55] <jhutchins> phoenixz: Which package is dangerous?
[05:55] <namol> automatix
[05:55] <ardchoille> automatix
[05:56] <jhutchins> Ah, yes.
[05:56] <phoenixz> jhutchins, ardchoille, too late for that.. :) I have not installed anything, but I have started it already
[05:56] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You might be still ok, uninstall it and check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:56] <phoenixz> You might want to place some big BIG warning somewhere about this crap.. I heard lots of people about it like woah and oooohhh!! great!
[05:56] <phoenixz> then I read this crap.. :(
[05:56] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Do I even want to know? :)
[05:56] <jhutchins> phoenixz: We keep trying to tell people.
[05:57] <namol> phoenixz: which is why you should read about packages/software before you download them :D
[05:57] <phoenixz> ardchoille, the only nice thing about it is that it shows a great list of software..  let me copy paste (with a pencil) which packages I want to install after this with apt get :)
[05:57] <jhutchins> phoenixz: Especially if they are from outside the main repositories, which are pretty thorough.
[05:57] <Sakkath> !w32codecs
[05:57] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:57] <Sakkath> eh?
[05:58] <Sakkath> !codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Yes, I know, but all that "nice list" of software can be had simply by adding repos and doing it manually.. and it's safer.
[05:58] <phoenixz> namol, I usually do, and I do know about package management.. its just that I figured that something like it would be... okay.. I mean it looks reasonably professional and all..
[05:58] <phoenixz> ardchoille, don't worry, you got me convinced :)
[05:59] <jhutchins> Yeah, and what do you do about that?  It's well-intentioned, but it just isn't safe.
[05:59] <jhutchins> phoenixz: for some people, the ones who advise using it, it works great.
[05:59] <ardchoille> phoenixz: My reasoning is that if you do things the right way, you will end up learning quite a bit and can trobuleshoot/fix any problems that might arise later. Problems caused by automatix are often hard to track and fix.
[05:59] <jhutchins> phoenixz: It's one thing if something either works or just fails, but when it either works or it trashes your system...
[06:00] <jhutchins> ardchoille: True of many quick fixes.
[06:00] <mooman> what's the line for getting ndiswrapper?
[06:01] <ardchoille> !ndiswrapper
[06:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:01] <mooman> thankyou
[06:01] <Sakkath> i'm not on gnome so how do i get to the "Resticted extras" sectino
[06:01] <Sakkath> in Add/Remove
[06:02] <ardchoille> Sakkath: That is a gnome app, if you have itstalled you may be able to run it, but I don't think there is an equivalent for kde
[06:02] <ardchoille> Oh, sorry, I misread you.. I thought you said Restricted Drivers
[06:02] <phoenixz> ardchoille, What I read here is that the trash it creates on your system is close to impossible to fix... specialy with package management..
[06:02] <mooman> I meant downloading ndiswrapper.  sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper  ?
[06:02] <Sakkath> ardchoille: it's still a gnome thing and i'm not sure what to do
[06:03] <ardchoille> phoenixz: True. But on my system it completely broke sudo, so I was screwed.
[06:03] <ardchoille> Sakkath: What are you looking for? Restricted repos?
[06:03] <blueregard> hello all
[06:04] <ardchoille> hi blueregard
[06:04] <blueregard> how is everyone tonight?
[06:04] <Sakkath> ardchoille: Click Applications  Add/Remove. In the top right, change the setting to All available applications. Then select Other in the left panel and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK.   <-- From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <hayami> dude
[06:05] <ardchoille> Sakkath: That looks like the url you need to read right there
[06:05] <hayami> i have another problem
[06:06] <phoenixz> ardchoille, well, with the CD you could reboot.. but still, that would be the easy part
[06:06] <hayami> the repos that i installed doesn't work with libdvdcss2
[06:06] <Sakkath> ardchoille: yes.. but that Applications - Add/remove thingie is part of gnome, and i'm on kubuntu
[06:07] <ardchoille> hayami: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please? use pastebin
[06:07] <jhutchins> hayami: https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems
[06:07] <hayami> ok
[06:07] <jhutchins> ?
[06:07] <hayami> !pastebin
[06:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:08] <ardchoille> Sakkath: kmenu > System > Add/Remove Programs  ?
[06:08] <jhutchins> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:08] <Sakkath> ardchoille: oh..
[06:08] <blueregard> I'm setting up one of our Kubuntu servers with several Windows VMware guest OS's to do some Windows repair training and I need to find somewhere that I can get a few different virii and spyware samples to intentionally infect the guest OS's.
[06:08] <blueregard> anyone know where I might find something like that?
[06:09] <jhutchins> blueregard: Leave an un-patched un-firewalled windows box connected to the net for an hour?
[06:09] <ardchoille> blueregard: I doubt you're going to find help with that here
[06:09] <jhutchins> blueregard: Maybe #windows
[06:09] <Sakkath> ardchoille: oh.. i can't open it because adept is upgrading stuff atm
[06:09] <ardchoille> Sakkath: You'll have to wait until adept is done
[06:10] <hayami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34488/
[06:10] <hayami> see friend
[06:10] <hayami> cuz i don't know what to do
[06:10] <hayami> or how i can fix that error
[06:10] <blueregard> jhutchins: I was thinking I might have to do that.
[06:11] <ardchoille> hayami: I've told you this several times, add the seveas repo and try again
[06:11] <blueregard> I don't need anything major, I just need to get some of these morons HR hired to the point where they can fix a machine without calling me 20 times.
[06:12] <blueregard> and I figured virtual machines were the safest way to go about training them.
[06:12] <Sakkath> ardchoille: ya. does it have the restircted extras thingie like gnome does?
[06:12] <ardchoille> Sakkath: I don't know, I don't use gnome.
[06:13] <Sakkath> ardchoille: neither do i that's why this guide is confusing me
[06:13] <ardchoille> and I don't use gui's either, so I'm not the best one to ask.
[06:14] <jrenato> aonde possa baixar o frostwire
[06:14] <hayami> can you give me the deb http?
[06:14] <hayami> cuz i got confussed with lot's of links
[06:14] <ardchoille> hayami: I've given you this link several times, can you write it down this time please? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:15] <ardchoille> hayami: You can't just add a deb line, you have to add keys and there is other info you need to know.
[06:17] <hayami> i'm new, it's that why i don't understand lot's of things
[06:17] <jhutchins> hayami: Plan to read a lot.
[06:21] <phoenixz> ardchoille, one of the little jokes Id had to pull to start automatix was kill off kio_file (that really should have been a warning). How do I get that back up?
[06:23] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Not sure, never had to do that.. but, you're right, that should have been a warning. Never kill something unless you know what is is and why you're doing it.
[06:23] <user15> ll
[06:23] <phoenixz> im baadd.. Im baaaadd. Im baaddd Im baaaadd Im baaaadd x 10000
[06:24] <jhutchins> phoenixz: I'd think you could just re-start kde.
[06:24] <jhutchins> phoenixz: maybe dcop kio_file?
[06:25] <phoenixz> jhutchins, I could yeah but then again, Id like to hunt-down-and-squish-like-a-bug anything that has to do anything with automatix before I restart anything at all.. :)
[06:26] <flaccid> if its dead, its dead!
[06:26] <flaccid> unless its in ps ..
[06:27] <phoenixz> ardchoille, already problem one: adept manager gives an error on startup.. "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"
[06:27] <phoenixz> ardchoille, But then again, Ive had this one before after an adept manager crash so... somebody gave me a (quite comoplex I remember) solution for it..
[06:27] <jhutchins> !aptfix | phoenixz
[06:27] <ubotu> phoenixz: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:28] <phoenixz> jhutchins, That one yeah!
[06:29] <jhutchins> Night, all.
[06:30] <soulrider> hello
[06:30] <phoenixz> ardchoille, jhutchins, nothing :(  I dont understand.. I only opened and closed the app... if this is so dangerous, then why the hell are these guys giving it away with pride?!?
[06:43] <Sakkath> is there a way to install all the packages that would come with feisty? does kubuntu come with compiz or do i need a nice howto?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Id avoide compwiz at this time.
[06:43] <carlos-e> hola amigos
[06:44] <Dr_willis>  what packages are you refering to?
[06:44] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: not sure, never used feisty, i've upgraded from dapper. and why would you avoid compiz
[06:44] <Dr_willis> its very very much a work in progress. :)
[06:44] <carlos-e> hola amigos alguien abla espaol
[06:45] <Dr_willis> if you MUST see the fancy gui-eye-candy. try a live cd with it allready enabled.
[06:45] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: pfft it's been working fine for a while
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  go for it then.. good luck..
[06:45] <Dr_willis> you will not BELIVE the # of people ive seen asking how to isntall that stuff.. then the next day they ask how to remove it.
[06:45] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: everyone uses it, i've even used it :p
[06:45] <Dr_willis> I dont use it. :) thats why i said to avoide it.. now in say   4 Months.. perhaps..
[06:46] <Dr_willis> that Sabayon Live cd. had the compwiz, and Mettiss, and other eye candy stuff on it. neat to test out.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> too bad it dident work very well for me.
[06:47] <Sakkath> anyways.. the RestrictedFormatshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats <-- the section that says applications - Add/Remove and then go to ubuntu restricted extras . . . that's gnome, i'm on kde, i'm not sure what to use. and ya, sabayon didn't work great for me either, but i think the dvd was screwed up 'cause my dvd burner is dying i think
[06:48] <Dr_willis> My KDE menus have an add/remove - thats just another front end for the package manager, adept or synaptic.
[06:48] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: yeah, i'm not seeing a 'restricted extras' thingie though
[06:49] <Dr_willis> that meand enable the other restricted repositories.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> I always do that by editng the sources.list
[06:49] <Dr_willis> or use easysource site
[06:49] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[06:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Its proberly been moved somewhere.  in the menus
[06:49] <Sakkath> oh
[06:49] <Sakkath> yeah this is adept, i'm guessing the wiki page is for the synaptic thing
[06:50] <Dr_willis> i always enable that stuff right off - on a new install . never use the gui.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Yep - wiki pages tend to be for synaptic
[06:50] <Dr_willis> You could always install synaptic
[06:50] <Sakkath> eh
[06:50] <Sakkath> could
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I would much perfer the wiki pages to have 3 'parts' one for synaptic, one for adept. and one for the shell. :)
[06:50] <Sakkath> that would be nice
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Then again. one fo the first things i isntall is synaptic
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I dont find adept's interface that  likeable. :)
[06:51] <Sakkath> should i use amarok and kde packages? and also i'm not sure which to use for the media plugins i'm looking for
[06:51] <Dr_willis> I belive theres a specific repo for the 'latest' amarok.  but it depends on your needs.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> what do you mean by 'use' them? vs using what?
[06:52] <Sakkath> well i just want compatibility with the most formats
[06:52] <Dr_willis> depends on what yopu are playing. :)
[06:52] <Sakkath> so i wonder if i should install latest amarok
[06:52] <Sakkath> i just wanna get streamin videos workin
[06:52] <Sakkath> wmv videos, real, etc., anything to work in firefox
[06:52] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive trtied streaming video in amarok
[06:53] <Dr_willis> for the video stuff - you will need that w32codec package.
[06:53] <Sakkath> eh that was just a side question, jif i should bother getting latest amarok thing
[06:53] <Dr_willis> then whatever players ya like.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I doubt if the version of amarok will matter much.
[06:53] <Sakkath> this howto says to download it from this site.. but is it in any of these repos?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I dont see much need for the latest amarok.
[06:53] <Sakkath> ok
[06:53] <Dr_willis> you can always install it later.
[06:53] <Sakkath> yea
[06:54] <Sakkath> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxStreamingVideo
[06:54] <Sakkath> is the w32codecs avail in any repo?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Yes it is.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[06:54] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:54] <Sakkath> seveas?
[06:54] <Sakkath> k
[06:54] <mooman> has anyone tried kubuntu on an old IBM p3 laptop?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Yep. That easysource site - lets you easially add his repos.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> mooman,  thats rather vague. :)  it should work.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Ive ran kubuntu on a Pent 1 laptop.
[06:55] <Sakkath> mooman: especially if it's coppermine
[06:55] <Sakkath> i would advise a compiled os rather than binary, might notice some speed diffs
[06:55] <Sakkath> gentoo ;P
[06:55] <mooman> freeBSD?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  seen too many arguments on that topic. :) i dont think he would gain much.
[06:55] <Sakkath> no
[06:56] <Sakkath> that's not linux
[06:56] <mooman> I know
[06:56] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: i've tried it on an old system and it CRAWLED along
[06:56] <Dr_willis> WHat Speed P3 and how much ram.
[06:56] <Sakkath> it was awful
[06:56] <Sakkath> >.>
[06:56] <mooman> it's unix, but probably very compatible.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> and what tasks will the thing be doing.
[06:56] <Sakkath> mooman: no matter what i like linux better..
[06:56] <mooman> Text proccessing / Web Transfer (HTTP Only)
[06:57] <Sakkath> do you need a gui?
[06:57] <mooman> and maybe irc or bsflite.
[06:57] <mooman> nah, no gui
[06:57] <Sakkath> i'd still advise gentoo
[06:57] <ubuntu_> eeks
[06:57] <mooman> if I were to go with gentoo, i'd go with MEPIS.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> with no gui. the ubuntu server installs should be fine.
[06:57] <Sakkath> MEPIS?
[06:57] <underdog5004> you can compile from source on kubuntu
[06:57] <mooman> basically built for IBM
[06:57] <underdog5004> instead of apt-get install, you do apt-get source
[06:58] <Sakkath> underdog5004: so? what's wrong with gentoo :(
[06:58] <Dr_willis> whats right with gentoo.. (please lets NOT start this argument again) :)
[06:58] <underdog5004> Sakkath, lol, it takes a long time to compile anything with a p3
[06:58] <Sakkath> so
[06:58] <underdog5004> I mean, nothing, there's nothing wrong with gentoo
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Little gain, lot of pain.. use what you like...
[06:58] <Sakkath> if he dont have a gui that's fine
[06:58] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: i beg to differ
[06:58] <Dr_willis> This is Linux. Use what you like.
[06:58] <underdog5004> all about choice
[06:59] <Sakkath> indeed and i would suggest gentoo for something that minimalistic
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  ive seen this debated to death..    and very little gets said.
[06:59] <Sakkath> so he can start bare bones and add what he likes easily
[06:59] <mooman> I am using Kubuntu on a P3 995mhz
[06:59] <Dr_willis> slax, puppulinux, featherlinux, dsl, 100+ others.....
[06:59] <mooman> It works every thing fine.
[06:59] <Sakkath> i personally like gentoo a lot more, to be honest
[06:59] <Dr_willis> depends on his needs.
[07:00] <Sakkath> if i wanted an "easy os" i'd proly use sabayon or maybe i'd try out fedora. opensuse ain't bad
[07:00] <Dr_willis> sabayon lasted 2 days here.. it had.. issues.. BIG issues...
[07:00] <underdog5004> or, he could try what he wants.
[07:01] <Sakkath> underdog5004: yes.. just saying if i want a "ready-to-go" os i'd try those 3, ubuntu would come after them though
[07:01] <Sakkath> but if i want a hobby os, gentoo for me! ;p lol
[07:01] <Sakkath> anyways
[07:01] <underdog5004> indeed; anyways
[07:01] <Sakkath> is http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ an ok mirror?
[07:01] <mooman> so what's the advantage of say...Linux Kubuntu over Unix freeBSD?  simply the interface and the what it lines up proccess data?
[07:02] <underdog5004> no idea
[07:02] <Sakkath> i like gnu tools
[07:02] <Sakkath> ;)
[07:02] <Sakkath> and iptables
[07:02] <underdog5004> although, I do know that the BSD's are supposed to be way more secure than anything else on the market
[07:02] <Sakkath> fbsd is tiny and i'd say good for a small shell server
[07:02] <Sakkath> underdog5004: i've always heard linux was me secure
[07:02] <underdog5004> lol
[07:02] <Dr_willis> mooman,  for bsd vs linux, theres a lot of Fundamental/core differances.. the GUI/Interface is one of the more trivial differances. :)
[07:02] <Sakkath> s/me/more/
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Ive always heard BSD was more secure. :)
[07:02] <Sakkath> i'd say there's more linux support
[07:02] <Sakkath> and more things available
[07:03] <underdog5004> I read somewhere that BSD has only had 1 zero day vulnerability in the kernel. I prefer linux for the hardware support though
[07:03] <mooman> Well, in terms of being a user...the differences are less seen.  Unless you're doing programming eh?
[07:03] <Sakkath> seeing as the bsd's, there's only one major, fbsd, whereas there's a lot of linux distros
[07:03] <Sakkath> mooman: well.. for a user, the ports are really nice (me being a gentoo user)
[07:03] <Sakkath> but it's less for a desktop
[07:03] <underdog5004> mooman, trust me, you'll see a difference if you use BSD...use linux to get started...a lot of the commands will work on the bsd's as well.
[07:03] <Sakkath> more for a server
[07:03] <Sakkath> the damn thing comes with pico
[07:04] <Sakkath> haha
[07:04] <mooman> I used to use freeBSD on a 1.3ghz IBM Thinkpad.
[07:04] <Sakkath> and vi
[07:04] <Sakkath> >.>
[07:04] <Sakkath> nano/vim please
[07:04] <underdog5004> vim ftw
[07:04] <Sakkath> i used it for a while but way too many things were available for linux
[07:04] <mooman> Worked great for Text, but the CPU was never used over 600mhz.
[07:04] <Sakkath> everything i wanted "linux linux linux" nothing for fbsd :(
[07:04] <Sakkath> i'd say you have less options
[07:04] <mooman> Yeah, definitely.  But I am not a very needy man.
[07:05] <Sakkath> i'd say there's more development for linux
[07:06] <mooman> How about the file system compatibility?  Is it perfect?
[07:06] <underdog5004> and code gets out faster...of course, that's because there's less security scrutiny...
[07:09] <Sakkath> what section for seveas do i want? there's backports custom drivers extras freenx seveas-meta all... i just want w23codecs atm
[07:11] <Sakkath> ok w32codecs is in extras
[07:12] <driverman> kubuntu did not install a bootloader for some reason.
[07:13] <kubuntunomad> hello?
[07:13] <driverman> wait, maybe it did, and it hid it on my other drive
[07:14] <driverman> yep. nevermind
[07:14] <kubuntunomad> I tried booting kubuntu 7.04 live and got a failed xfermode error
[07:18] <kubuntunomad> is there anything i can do to stop it
[07:25] <kewlsolutions> lo
[07:25] <kubuntunomad> hi
[07:26] <kewlsolutions> asl mo?
[07:26] <kubuntunomad> im sorry im not fluent in advanced internet abreviations
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> ok.
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> from were a u?
[07:27] <kubuntunomad> new york
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> hw old r u ?
[07:27] <Sakkath> lol asl is 'not' advanced
[07:28] <Sakkath> it's very old and used by 13 year olds on aim
[07:28] <kubuntunomad> i dont chat alot
[07:28] <Sakkath> or at least when i was 13
[07:28] <Sakkath> (3 years ago)
[07:28] <kewlsolutions> r u boy o gurl?
[07:28] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: it's not that hard to say 'are you a boy or a girl?'
[07:28] <kubuntunomad> im uncomfortable
[07:28] <Lynoure> Sakkath: even when I was 15...
[07:28] <Lynoure> Sakkath: 16 years ago.
[07:28] <kewlsolutions> wat u min ?
[07:29] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: in fact it takes more time to think of an abbreviation for everything, instead you could type normal and slowly improve your typing skills and type faster
[07:29] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: i bet i type faster than you typing normal than you do with abbreviations.
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> idk uwtt
[07:29] <Sakkath> and it just makes you look like a complete idiot.
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> lol
[07:29] <Lynoure> The reason why there is not much 'chatting' here is that this is the support channel
[07:29] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: ?
[07:29] <kewlsolutions> okey..
[07:29] <Lynoure> #ubuntu-offtopic is the chat spot
[07:29] <kewlsolutions> sorry
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> can anyone help me with my problem
[07:30] <kewlsolutions> yes?
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: what is it? ask it, don't ask to ask
[07:30] <kubuntunomad> i typed it before
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: sorry, i wasn't around, mind restating it?
[07:30] <Sakkath> nevermind
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: i saw it
[07:30] <Sakkath> but i haven't a clue :(
[07:30] <Sakkath> google was no help?
[07:30] <kubuntunomad> ah
[07:31] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: "failed" or some error message? I mean, how did it fail?
[07:31] <kubuntunomad> well i actually went first to the kubuntu forums rather than google
[07:31] <kubuntunomad> well it gives me some error about tty
[07:31] <Lynoure> It would help to hear exactly what the error is.
[07:32] <kubuntunomad> and then loops this message ata2.01: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4)
[07:34] <kubuntunomad> (initramfs)
[07:34] <kubuntunomad> "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[07:34] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: http://fak3r.com/2007/06/22/failed-to-set-xfermode-solved/ looks promising. I cannot remember if the normal livecd takes boot options, though
[07:35] <kubuntunomad> its not a live cd, its full thing
[07:35] <kubuntunomad> but i was testing boot first
[07:35] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: oh, then you can just follow those instructions.
[07:35] <Lynoure> I mean, if you have kubuntu already installed.
[07:36] <kubuntunomad> i dont
[07:36] <kubuntunomad> but i figure that it would have these errors even installed.
[07:36] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: the livecd is the same as the installation cd...
[07:37] <Lynoure> What are you using for booting with if not 7.04 live cd?  the alternate cd? something else?
[07:37] <Sakkath> is there a way i can get all pkgs that come with feisty? does totem come with it? i dont' have totem.. maybe cause i use kde!! so it's kaffeine isntead?
[07:37] <kubuntunomad> im using dvd
[07:38] <Lynoure> Sakkath: all packages is very many... thousands.
[07:38] <Sakkath> i'm gonna need more repos or somethin... i don't see any for kaffine, only a totem xine plugin...
[07:39] <Sakkath> Lynoure: well i had 6.06 and i would like everything 7.04 has
[07:39] <Sakkath> Lynoure: everything 7.04 comes with with a default installation, that is
[07:39] <kubuntunomad> ty, ill try this out now
[07:40] <Lynoure> Sakkath: on your own risk you can just use the current repositories (see source-o-matic), but it's risky
[07:40] <Lynoure> Sakkath: likely to break your system, even
[07:40] <Sakkath> Lynoure: i've upgraded to feisty via dist-upgrade and my sources say feisty
[07:40] <Sakkath> and i reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <Sakkath> but does that mean i have everything that comes with a feisty install?
[07:41] <Lynoure> Sakkath: oh, I thought you meant you are still running 6.06 :)
[07:42] <Sakkath> Lynoure: what do you suggest i do to play wmv stream in my firefox on kbuntu
[07:42] <Sakkath> kubuntu*
[07:42] <Lynoure> Sakkath: it should, yes. But as direct ugrade from 6.06 to 7.04 is not supported, who knows
[07:42] <Sakkath> i went to edgy first
[07:42] <Lynoure> Sakkath: I don't do wmv at all, cannot have bothered to, as I have never needed it
[07:43] <Lynoure> Then you should be fine. Can make sense to recheck the sources.list
[07:43] <Lynoure> !source-o-matic
[07:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:43] <Sakkath> i have
[07:43] <Sakkath> and i've added seveas to get w32condecs
[07:43] <Sakkath> w32codecs*
[07:43] <Sakkath> but does that give me all that comes with 7.04?
[07:44] <Lynoure> Sakkath: the "give" and "all" are both a bit vague. It gives you the choice of the packages that are available from standard repos for 7.04
[07:45] <Sakkath> eh
[07:45] <Sakkath> i wouldn't know what comes with a fresh feisty install
[07:45] <Lynoure> If you have removed some of the stardard packages yourself, before upgrading, you might be missing some
[07:45] <Sakkath> i haven't
[07:45] <Lynoure> there are more unofficial sources for 7.04 than just Seveas.
[07:46] <Sakkath> indeed
[07:46] <Lynoure> What makes you feel you are missing something? and what do you feel you are missing? :)
[07:46] <Sakkath> i donno, i'm just not sure if i am or not
[07:46] <Sakkath> does feisty come with compiz? or do i need to install that on feisty too
[07:47] <Lynoure> I vaguely think it does
[07:47] <Sakkath> well that's certainly one thing i don't have
[07:47] <Sakkath> so i'm assuming i'm missing a lot?
[07:47] <Lynoure> it's another thing I don't use, as having a cube is not any more handy for me than having multiple desktops
[07:47] <Sakkath> but it sure is sexy
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> no sir, compiz is not sexy, margaret thatcher is sexy.
[07:48] <Lynoure> Sakkath: it needs to be activated, I think, and the choice is there just for ubuntu (guesswork and vague memories, you can check for yourself)
[07:48] <Sakkath> XD
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> and since i am quite obviously delusional, i need to go to bed.
[07:48] <Sakkath> Daisuke_Ido: 'night
[07:48] <Lynoure> and just for the cards that support it well
[07:50] <Sakkath> what does gnome call when i do 'Applications -> Add/Remove'
[07:50] <Sakkath> i do have synaptic but when i open it i don't see anything about 'All available applications' and i dont see ano Other in the let pane.. containing ubuntu restricted extras?
[07:52] <Soulwarp> i'm unable to play my dvd videos...
[07:52] <Sakkath> aw i wish the gxineplugin worked in-window as the wmv one does
[07:53] <stdin> Soulwarp: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/DVD
[07:54] <Soulwarp> stdin thx
[07:55] <ardchoille> Sakkath: If you're using the gnome desktop, you might be better off in #ubuntu. This channel is usually for kde stuff.
[07:56] <Sakkath> ardchoille: i am on kubuntu, that's why asked what does gnome call when that is pressed. the ubuntu wiki guide 'RestrictedFormats' says to do taht and i dont know what i should do instead for i am on kubuntu
[07:56] <Sakkath> and ahahaha, gxlineplugin, what the hell.. the sound is slow, this girl sounds manly!
[08:08] <Zombie> Adding screen resolutions 400x300, and 320x240
[08:08] <Zombie> ttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34495/ Original Xorg config
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34494/
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34493/
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34492/
[08:09] <kubuntunomad> didnt work :(
[08:11] <ardchoille> Sakkath: Ok.
[08:13] <Sakkath> adept_installer doesn't find everything syanptic does...
[08:14] <stdin> Sakkath: it does, it uses the same sources..
[08:14] <Sakkath> stdin: it didn't find all the same xine thingies
[08:14] <stdin> Sakkath: make sure you're using the adept manager
[08:14] <Sakkath> ya
[08:14] <Sakkath> that finds it
[08:14] <Sakkath> but apept_installer doesn't
[08:14] <Sakkath> why?
[08:15] <stdin> because "adept_installer" is the add/remove app, it's not supposed to have all the packages on it
[08:15] <stdin> it's only for the main/popular packages
[08:15] <Sakkath> stdin: what is the add/remove app for gnome
[08:15] <Sakkath> because i'm on kubuntu and i wanna be able to pick the "ubuntu restricted extras" thingie that the wiki RestrictedFormats guide says to do in Applications -> Add/Remove and i'm not on gnome so i can't do that
[08:16] <stdin> it's not in kubuntu (yet)
[09:05] (phoenixz/#kubuntu) flaccid, adept manager then?
[09:05] (flaccid/#kubuntu) yeah. you are pretty much right
[09:06] (stdin/#kubuntu) phoenixz: for most things, they are in the repos, for others that automatix installs we can't make a repo, as it's illegal to redistribute some of these things
[09:06] (flaccid/#kubuntu) all that is needed is frontend that calls routines to add that repos of nonfree to the sources.list
[09:06] <stdin> but supporting unofficial packages is difficult anyway
[09:07] <phoenixz> stdin, if they want to do it legal or not is their business.. at least they should NOT kill the users computers..
[09:07] <stdin> bit of a catch22
[09:08] <kraut> moin
[09:08] <intelikey> kraut
[09:08] <phoenixz> phoenixz just loads the minigun.. screw aiming, lets just spray.. :)
[09:08] <flaccid> its just a matter of someone hosting a nonfree repos that hosts software which breaks licenses
[09:08] <intelikey> lead rain
[09:08] <flaccid> but thats what we need
[09:10] <kraut> intelikey?
[09:11] <phoenixz> cd ..
[09:11] <phoenixz> oops
[09:11] <intelikey> well    enough joking around about it.   i'll give my openion     what we (actually you, not i) need is to break ourselvs of wanting to use/access/play with/install/pay for/touch   restricted/non-free formats.
[09:11] <phoenixz> intelikey, okay, and now in a way 6 year olds (and people with 50 hours without sleep) can also understand it? :)
[09:11] <flaccid> if you do that in its entirity, you loose experience and accessibility
[09:12] <phoenixz> what flaccid says..
[09:12] <intelikey> phoenixz if it aint FOSS leave it alone.
[09:12] <ardchoille> phoenixz: 50 hours without sleep? That's one of the quickest ways to break things.
[09:12] <phoenixz> intelikey, sorry, FOSS?
[09:12] <flaccid> boss' don't like to here, i can't do my work because its not FOSS
[09:12] <intelikey> !foss
[09:12] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[09:12] <flaccid> i would get fired...
[09:13] <ardchoille> Free/Open Source Software (FOSS)
[09:13] <phoenixz> ardchoille, it usually is, specially me myself :)
[09:13] <flaccid> its superflous to say that you can all you need to do on FOSS only when file formats and other factors force you to use nonfree/de facto standards
[09:13] <phoenixz> intelikey, that was a big DOH! :) But well.. okay, only use FOSS.. But what about if I want to see this uber cool movie that needs non-FOSS stuff to play?
[09:14] <flaccid> what do you do when someone sends you a nonfree format. ask them for a free one, and they wtf??
[09:14] <flaccid> you don't ask someone to drive a car if they can't drive :)
[09:14] <intelikey> then you have looped to the first post phoenixz     stop the "want"   and you stop the problem.
[09:14] <phoenixz> intelikey, and then, what about when we are not talking abuot me but about these 500 million other computer noobs that just want to use their compu? If we want to get linux big, and want to get the options, it needs to be stong
[09:15] <phoenixz> intelikey, which would require us that linux will always and only be for the geeks.. no noob could ever touch it..
[09:15] <intelikey> """If we want to get linux big"""   <<< ?
[09:15] <stdin> flaccid: what do you do when you send a someone a .odf and they say, we want a .doc? you send a .doc or say wtf?
[09:16] <flaccid> stdin: depending on who it is i either ask them to get openoffice or i will send the .doc
[09:16] <intelikey> phoenixz methinks that that argument is based on circular reasoning.
[09:16] <ardchoille> phoenixz: For some of us, Linux is already "big". IMHO, Microsoft products died out in 2001, when I switched to Linux and haven't touched a M$ product since.
[09:16] <stdin> flaccid: then you have different rules for yourself than your friends
[09:16] <phoenixz> intelikey, If you want linux to be widely accepted as a mainstream OS.. right now, the only mainstream desktop OS'es are all prefixed with "Windows".. Id like that to change..
[09:16] <intelikey> phoenixz i.e.   linux is not the most used because less people use it...
[09:16] <flaccid> stdin: no i wouldn't ask a ceo to install Ooo
[09:17] <stdin> anyway, this is all a bit -ot :p
[09:17] <flaccid> i will ask my friends/non-business people
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz in the first place   i could hardly care any less whether anyone else uses linux or not.    so like i said.  you are basing your argument on a loop back.
[09:18] <phoenixz> intelikey, ardchoille: Ask your mother to use linux for a week.. See if she tries to kill you after that or not..  :) The problem is that where I am from (well, live), central mexico, people dont even know what linux is..
[09:18] <flaccid> our arguments are practical and address how people actually behave
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz my mother uses only FOSS   any other args ?
[09:18] <chupie> i am trying to get my wireless card to work, its a broadcom 4318 chipset, and i am trying ndiswrapper but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it is saying that the module doesn't exist
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz and she is near 70 now.
[09:19] <phoenixz> intelikey, not really.. If you need to support half your family, and you need to reinstall the same @*#( computers every month because XP died again, then suddenly you will care :()
[09:19] <phoenixz> intelikey, If your mom only uses FOSS, I'd like to switch moms ;)
[09:19] <intelikey> phoenixz no M# here mate.
[09:19] <ardchoille> phoenixz: mom and dad both use CentOS, sis uses Fedora and my 8 year old niece uses Ubuntu.
[09:19] <intelikey> no M$   ooops
[09:20] <phoenixz> intelikey, The thing for me is that I see this GREAT system, linux, and it keeps loosing from the biggest pile of shit possible.. that cant be..
[09:20] <stdin> !language | phoenixz
[09:20] <ubotu> phoenixz: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:20] <stdin> not to mention..
[09:20] <stdin> !ot
[09:20] <phoenixz> stdin, you are very right, Im sorry
[09:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:20] <intelikey> the only people that think linux is "hard" are the ones that used M$ for *years  and linux for one day...
[09:21] <flaccid-> intelikey: you do realise that you just broke your own argument
[09:21] <phoenixz> intelikey, and those who try kubuntu for the first day and find it hard, drop back to their old addiction again :)
[09:21] <flaccid-> thats right people are used to m$ and they think linux is hard...
[09:21] <intelikey> flaccid-   which argument ?
[09:21] <flaccid-> this only people is millions upon millions
[09:21] <flaccid-> the argument for linux use
[09:22] <intelikey> phoenixz and.     like i said before.    i don't care what they use...
[09:22] <stdin> this is all a very nice discussion, but take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:22] <phoenixz> Anybody cares to go to the offtopic channel?
[09:22] <flaccid-> im done.
[09:23] <intelikey> yeah me to....    for a change.
[09:23] <phoenixz> sure sure..
[09:23] <phoenixz> done
[09:24] <stdin> chupie: what model of broadcom?
[09:24] <intelikey> actually i will go   O T
[09:25] <jeffm> hi all, when i run "ps -e" in the command line there's too much output for me to read. how can i view the output page by page?
[09:26] <stdin> jeffm: ps -e | less
[09:26] <flaccid-> ps -e | more
[09:26] <stdin> or | more
[09:26] <flaccid-> more or less heh
[09:26] <flaccid-> excuse the pun
[09:26] <Zombie> Anyone here with Xorg experience?
[09:26] <flaccid-> yep
[09:26] <flaccid-> !ask
[09:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:26] <jeffm> ok thanks. but errrr, how do i type in the "|" character?
[09:27] <stdin> jeffm: didn't you just do it?
[09:27] <jeffm> no, i copied.
[09:27] <stdin> jeffm: for me it's Shift+\
[09:27] <flaccid-> its usually above the enter key (shift + \)
[09:27] <_buz> usually, when you hit ctrl-alt-esc i got the skull to kill apps, but in gutsy i just get a pointing cross (which does the same)
[09:27] <stdin> Alt-Gr+` too (for me)
[09:27] <jeffm> flaccid: oh cool. lol. i didn't know that. crazy stuff...
[09:28] <jeffm> thanks all
[09:31] <intelikey> stdin did you look in  o t
[09:32] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I just read what you said there
[09:33] <alakhia> !apt build source
[09:34] <alakhia> !apt build
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt build - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34498/
[09:34] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34499/
[09:34] <intelikey> ircops ... hmmm
[09:34] <alakhia> !apt compile
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt compile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <flaccid-> im off
[09:35] <intelikey> @ ompaul :)
[09:35] <alakhia> does anyone know what I need to tell apt so it setup source code for me to compile for a package?
[09:36] <intelikey> apt-get source package
[09:36] <intelikey> apt-get source <package>
[09:36] <Zombie> Any help?
[09:37] <alakhia> ah, cool. Thanks, intelikey
[09:41] <alakhia> intelikey: configure doesn't find libz .... but I show zliblg already installed. So, then I try to install zlib1g-dev. But I get unmet dependencies
[09:42] <intelikey> libz != zlib
[09:42] <alakhia> zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:42] <alakhia> what to make of this?
[09:42] <ompaul> intelikey, moin
[09:42] <alakhia> oh!
[09:42] <intelikey> hey how are ya.
[09:43] <ompaul> intelikey, -offtopic or pm ;-)
[09:43] <intelikey> usually      yeah....
[09:43] <intelikey> :)
[09:43] <ompaul> haha
[09:43] <alakhia> I can't find libz ... under a different name?
[09:45] <intelikey> alakhia hmmm what is the exact error ?
[09:46] <alakhia> intelikey: I am trying to build digikam locally. configure says:  checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure pics outdated version from XFree86. Remove it
[09:47] <alakhia> er, configure "picks"
[09:49] <stdin> alakhia: have you tried "sudo apt-get build-dep digikam" ?
[09:49] <alakhia> I looked in config.log.  conftest.c can't find "zlib.h"
[09:50] <alakhia> stdin: no, tried build-dep just now. Just gave me an error: Build-dependencies for digikam could not be satisfied.
[09:52] <alakhia> is my apt database hosed in some way?
[09:52] <stdin> alakhia: zlib.h is in the package zlib1g-dev
[09:53] <alakhia> If I install that package, I get this error: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:53] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Looks like installing kdemultimedia solved the problem
[09:53] <alakhia> stdin: What does that mean?
[09:54] <stdin> alakhia: that installing zlib1g-dev should install the file configure is looking for
[09:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: I wonder what it installed that the other packages needed to work...
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: I understand that. But I can't install the package.
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: apt-get complains about unmet dependencies.
[09:55] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: There were some libs which I did not have installed yet, probably one of those did the trick... I will uninstall the unneeded apps from the metapackage one by one and see if it still works...
[09:55] <stdin> alakhia: post it to pastebin
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: that's it ...
[09:56] <stdin> alakhia: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[09:56] <alakhia> stdin: feisty
[09:56] <stdin> alakhia: post your sources.list to pastebin
[09:56] <alakhia> stdin: I did an update and upgrade a while back
[09:59] <dotz> hi i remember a way to rsync to a local computer without being prompt a password..its some kind of ssh key but i forgot how..can anyone guide me?
[10:00] <alakhia> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d1b78a407
[10:02] <llutz> dotz like this: http://www.linux.com/articles/113847
[10:02] <ardchoille> stdin: You might like line 55 in that pastebin link
[10:02] <stdin> I had notices that...
[10:03] <alakhia> stdin: I decided not to use automatix. It was going to pull megs of stuff.
[10:04] <ardchoille> alakhia: Why are you compiling digikam when it's in the repos?
[10:04] <harmental> i know it is not a Kubuntu question...but OO channel is not really responsive....is there a way to fully embed pictures in OO files? (i dont want to send the pictures along with the main file)
[10:04] <stdin> alakhia: post the output of "apt-cache policy zlib1g" and, as a "btw" never use automatix, ever, ever, ever
[10:04] <alakhia> ardchoille: I want the latest and greatest version! And if I have time, hack the code
[10:04] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[10:05] <alakhia> stdin: hahaha! Sure, I found ubuntuguide.org much better anyway.
[10:05] <alakhia> zlib1g:
[10:05] <alakhia>   Installed: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2
[10:05] <alakhia>   Candidate: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2
[10:06] <alakhia>   Version table:
[10:06] <alakhia>  *** 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2 0
[10:06] <alakhia>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:06] <stdin> !paste
[10:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:06] <alakhia> stdin: sorry
[10:07] <alakhia> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d7fc63f78
[10:07] <stdin> 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-5ubuntu2 seem to either be a version you installed manually, or something the unspeakable thing installed
[10:07] <alephnaught> I have a question. I need to remove any directories in my music directory that are either empty or contain no music files. I presume this should be easy with a shell command, but I can't quite figure it out. Anyone?
[10:08] <alakhia> stdin: i didn't have autom#@^!& install anything
[10:08] <stdin> alakhia: try: sudo aptitude install zlib1g=1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4
[10:10] <alakhia> stdin: cool, that worked.
[10:10] <stdin> alephnaught: you can try "find /path/to/music -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \; " to remove empty directories
[10:11] <alephnaught> cool, thanks. Any way to have it remove directories that don't contain *.mp3, *.ogg, *.aac, etc?
[10:11] <alakhia> stdin: thanks guys
[10:11] <stdin> alakhia: no problem
[10:12] <alephnaught> (that is, directories that have random junk in them like .nfo files and so on)
[10:12] <stdin> alephnaught: that's a little more difficult, I'll need to think about that
[10:12] <alephnaught> thanks :)
[10:13] <llutz> alephnaught: combine find with a "-not -name *.ogg...."
[10:13] <alephnaught> aha, cunning :)
[10:14] <stdin> alephnaught: that will only check directory names, not file names
[10:14] <alephnaught> ah
[10:14] <llutz> stdin: alephnaught 2nd find-cmd then
[10:14] <alakhia> alephnaught: another option would find be: find . -type f | grep -v mp3 | grep -v ogg | grep -v  .... | xargs rm
[10:15] <intelikey> yeah careful there.    when you start adding -o -a in find you loose tests pretty quiclky
[10:15] <ardchoille> What menu is this?  http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/mint-3.0-kde.png
[10:15] <ardchoille> That looks quite nice.
[10:15] <alephnaught> thanks chaps, I think I have some idea of what to do now
[10:15] <seanpcrowe> hey guys...
[10:15] <seanpcrowe> is there something wrong with the automatix servers atm???
[10:16] <ardchoille> !automatix | seanpcrowe
[10:16] <ubotu> seanpcrowe: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[10:16] <seanpcrowe> i cant seem to download and install codecs...
[10:16] <ardchoille> seanpcrowe: automatix is very bad and we don't support it, if your system is still running you're lucky
[10:16] <alakhia> seanpcrowe: try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Getting_Started
[10:17] <seanpcrowe> ok dudes... thanks...
[10:17] <intelikey> alephnaught i would sujest generating a list of dirs to "not" rm  and then rm'ing the rest.       and  file is a good util  to detect the type of files you are playing with.      remember linux doesn't much care about file names .blah means nothing really.
[10:19] <intelikey> one might do something like     find /base/dir/ -type d | sort -u > list   and then use the "list" in a test of some sort.    while loop maybe.
[10:20] <stdin> alephnaught: probably what I would do is something like "find /path/to/search/ -type f -not -name "*.ogg" -not -name "*.aac" -not -name "*.mp3" -exec rm {} \;" then run the 1st find command again to then remove those now empty dirs
[10:20] <llutz> alephnaught:or           find /path/to/music \( -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \) , \(-type f | grep -v mp3 | grep -v ogg  -exec rm {} \) \;
[10:21] <runlevelten> grep -e "\.mp3$" -e "\.ogg$"  etc. by the way :)
[10:21] <llutz>  not -exec, ^^|xargs rm ^^
[10:21] <intelikey> stdin -iname   could be caps in them
[10:21] <alakhia> one can also do the rm in two steps ... pipe the output to a file and make sure it is not going to remove any files you don't want. Then do the real remove.
[10:23] <runlevelten> If you're working by extensions, first, I'd make a script that lists the available file extensions in the system, then decide which ones to delete.
[10:23] <runlevelten> Safer.
[10:23] <emja> I just ran 'apt-get update' on my laptop (kubuntu 7.04, amd64), now compiz is dead. is anyone else experiencing this? does anyone have any pointers for further information? google didn't turn up anything of value.
[10:24] <intelikey> apt-get update  ???    not  upgrade ?
[10:24] <runlevelten> because it's going to such for someone who's early on in their bash development if they set their script running, then remember those flac or wma files tucked away in their music collection :)
[10:25] <intelikey> runlevelten that's why i said  "file"   look for file type media
[10:26] <emja> intelikey: err, that too. :-}
[10:27] <runlevelten> Yeah - that wouldn't be doing it by extensions.
[10:27] <runlevelten> :)
[10:27] <voln> good morning, I need gtk fronted archive manager . I'm use xarchiver, but when I try open a password protected rar archive I got eroor...
[10:28] <intelikey> !rar
[10:28] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:31] <intelikey> uhhh    i have no sound.    been on this box for three days  and just noticed.
[10:32] <stdin> btw, my  POSIX compliant find commands to do what alephnaught wanted http://pastebin.com/d1672abab
[10:34] <intelikey> stdin with upper and lower case ?
[10:34] <stdin> intelikey: yep
[10:34] <intelikey> :)
[10:35] <intelikey> ah yes.    and we hope there were no .wav .flac .wmv .blah .blah .blah ...
[10:35] <stdin> well, it can of course be added to
[10:36] <intelikey> yeah i know.   just razing ya  :)
[10:38] <dotz> llutz: hi are u there?
[10:39] <intelikey> i wonder why i don't have sound...      0000:00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)       with modules  loaded    snd                    55268  10 snd_mpu401,snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[10:39] <dotz> i've tried the site for root .. i can sucessfully ssh in using ssh -i ~/rsync-key
[10:39] <dotz> however i try the same steps for a user eg: dotz
[10:39] <dotz> it doesn't work
[10:39] <intelikey> does sis   use ac97 module ?
[10:42] <intelikey> dotz in the sshd_conf  the section called  "# Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files "     check it out.
[10:46] <carsten> Hi...
[10:48] <intelikey> carsten
[10:51] <dotz> ohhhhhhhhh i got it
[10:51] <dotz> i modified the wrong authorized_keys
[10:59] <Sevenhill> Hi there
[11:00] <{__main__> i've got some troubles runnning userconfig, when I run it from konsole, it retries an error importing qtxml from kdeui, instead if i change it by 'from PyQt4 import QtXml' it works, but it conflicts with kdeui
[11:00] <carsten> hI Sevenhill...
[11:00] <Sevenhill> is there any bug entry which is releated to icons for .asc extention ?
[11:00] <{__main__> someone knows something?
[11:00] <dotz> in a #!/bin/sh script, how can i modify a input $1 eg: video123.avi  into video.avi  ?
[11:01] <Sevenhill> dotz:  you wantto make video123.avi to video.avi ?
[11:02] <Sevenhill> dotz:  use regex for that
[11:07] <intelikey> simplest    echo "$1" | tr -d '1234567890'
[11:08] <TBZ> anyone awake that has knowledge with dual booting 2 linux distros?
[11:08] <Sevenhill> TBZ it is really mess
[11:10] <TBZ> I basically need to know, how to list my drives/partition or whatever for mounting
[11:10] <Sevenhill> TBZ:  you mean in Grub list ?
[11:11] <TBZ> mm I'm trying to setup grub, yes
[11:11] <jussi01> grrr, can someone remind me how to put a background colour in in html?
[11:11] <llutz> TBZ: when installint 2ns distro, write grub into partition-BR (not MBR) and use chainload
[11:11] <TBZ> for some reason, my root and home partitions I just made in gparted are showing up as /target and /targethome
[11:11] <Sevenhill> jussi01:  at body tag use bgcolor="yellow"
[11:12] <jussi01> Sevenhill: thanks
[11:12] <SlimeyPete> jussi01: "<body bgcolor="blue">" iir
[11:12] <TBZ> and I can't mount for some reason to find the kernel version and such that I need to add to grub line
[11:12] <Sevenhill> SlimeyPete: it is wrong it must be yellow not blue :D
[11:12] <SlimeyPete> nah, yellow sucks
[11:13] <mike__> Greets, everyone...
[11:13] <jussi01> lol, anyone know the code for ubuntu brown?
[11:13] <Sevenhill> jussi01:  use gimp to take color code of an area
[11:13] <Sevenhill> are there any kubuntu devel in here ?
[11:14] <intelikey> TBZ you in the grub shell ?
[11:14] <TBZ> no, I'm on live fiesty cd atm
[11:14] <intelikey> oh.
[11:14] <intelikey> !grub | TBZ
[11:14] <ubotu> TBZ: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:14] <TBZ> everyone else in other channells were passed out or didn't know..
[11:14] <mike__> I'm having a very strange problem with the proprietary nVidia driver. It works fine right after I install it, but upon rebooting, it won't work at all (i.e., X won't start). Any ideas?
[11:14] <TBZ> I already have ubuntu setup, I resized disk, made new / and /home partition
[11:15] <TBZ> installed another copy of fiesty (to test and play with, soon to be kubuntu) at grub install, wrote to /dev, failed, (which is what I wanted, i don't want to overwrite my grub)
[11:16] <TBZ> and I'm trying to mount the install that I just made, find the kernel version info I need for grub config, and fix it
[11:17] <dotz> Sevenhill: how do i make the script delete 3 characters from 4th characters from end of $1?
[11:17] <_Shade_> hi there
[11:17] <TBZ> I can't figure out how to mount it
[11:17] <dotz> Sevenhill: eg video123.avi to video.avi
[11:17] <Sevenhill> mike__: download and install this one : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[11:17] <_Shade_> could anyone help me to set up a linux -> windows LAN please?
[11:17] <TBZ> It's showing up in gparted as /target and /target/home
[11:18] <Sevenhill> dotz: i'm not good at regex but
[11:18] <_Shade_> the knetworkmanager says there is a connection but i cannot access any windows resources
[11:18] <mike__> Sevenhill: I'm installing Kubuntu for my aunt's computer, who has 0 experience with Linux. Don't think she's ready for a test release. Thanks anyway though. :-)
[11:18] <Sevenhill> dotz:  you can ask it in #bash or #regex channel
[11:18] <dotz> ohh thanks
[11:18] <jussi01> TBZ: why not just reinstall grub and it will auto detect it?
[11:18] <mike__> Sevenhill: Are prop. drivers installed by default in Gutsy?
[11:19] <Sevenhill> mike__: testing or stable is not important for a newbie
[11:19] <mike__> Sevenhill: But stability is. :-\
[11:19] <Sevenhill> it is important if you think to use it as server
[11:19] <Sevenhill> i don't think he/she might get interest if one or two times more updates system
[11:20] <TBZ> jussi01: If I loose my original install I'm going to be back, and mad...but ok>:o
[11:20] <Sevenhill> on the other hand he/she will love it to be live with lastest versions of applications
[11:20] <mike__> Sevenhill: I take it you're using Gutsy?
[11:20] <Sevenhill> mike__: yes
[11:20] <Sevenhill> Sysinfo for 'mycmptr': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMDAthlon643800+ at 1000 MHz (1996 bogomips), , RAM: 873/883MB, 107 proc's, 1.50h up
[11:21] <stdin> the version of nvidia-glx in feisty and gutsy is the same
[11:21] <mike__> Sevenhill: When's the last time you ran into *any* problem on it?
[11:21] <stdin> just built against different kernels
[11:21] <mike__> stdin: I'm installing via the installer from nVidia's website.
[11:21] <stdin> mike__: any reason for doing that?
[11:22] <Sevenhill> hmm about gutsy tribe 1
[11:22] <mike__> stdin: Installing via the package gave me hard locks.
[11:22] <Sevenhill> but it is far and far away from today
[11:23] <jussi01> Sevenhill: I am suprised, I run gutsy and it seems to be breaking often...
[11:23] <jussi01> Sysinfo for 'jussi': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMDSempron2800+ at 1602 MHz (3208 bogomips), , RAM: 456/503MB, 102 proc's, 57.28min up
[11:23] <Sevenhill> jussi01: :) so i'm lucky
[11:23] <mike__> Sevenhill: Honestly, c'mon... I've run into problems in the past two weeks with Gutsy, and it wasn't from me borking stuff. I've had to run "apt-get -f install" practically every other time I dist-upgrade.
[11:24] <jussi01> Sevenhill: Im with mike here.
[11:24] <Sevenhill> mike__: there was a problem about apt-get i mean dpkg
[11:24] <Sevenhill> but luckly i never download that broken update :D
[11:25] <jussi01> but we should really be over in +1 - here is for feisty support.
[11:25] <TBZ> Sysinfo for 'TBZ': Windex A+1.0 Intel QX6700 @ 3.3Ghz, RAM: 4096, livecd
[11:25] <llutz> dotz use bash-string-handling like: newname=${$1: -4:3}
[11:25] <Sevenhill> llutz: thanks to you i learn a new thing today
[11:26] <mike__> One of Linux's biggest "selling" points is how easy it is to upgrade all the software on the system. Having that not go smoothly with someone's first impression of Linux would be umm... bad.
[11:26] <TBZ> Sysinfo cont. current status = br0ken
[11:27] <llutz> Seven_away: reading here daily teaches a lot (more or less usefull) ;)
[11:29] <mike__> TBZ: I'm guessing you had a high-end dual-core processor before getting that quad?
[11:30] <TBZ> nope
[11:30] <mike__> dual-core at all?
[11:30] <TBZ> had a pIII
[11:30] <mike__> oh, wow. big jump. :-P
[11:30] <TBZ> Indeed =D
[11:30] <TBZ> Decided to splurge
[11:31] <mike__> i'm trying to decide whether a quad is worth the extra dough over a dual
[11:31] <TBZ> is for me, I love to multitask, and it's great for rendering
[11:32] <mike__> cool
[11:32] <mike__> so, no one here has any ideas on my strange prop. nvidia driver problem?
[11:32] <TBZ> I was testing my C-F setup other day.... I had 90 some windows, spread on 4 desktops, 13 firefoxes with 8 tabs each, 2 movies playing, and I duno what else, trying to crash or black window bug it, and I was only at 20% cpu or so =(
[11:33] <mike__> christ
[11:33] <mike__> lol
[11:33] <mike__> what video card do you have?
[11:33] <TBZ> 8800gts
[11:34] <drif> TBZ: normal divx/xvid/dvd or HD-quality movies? just curious
[11:34] <drif> mine can barely handle one :D
[11:34] <TBZ> meh, just normal, divx or mpg, I forget
[11:35] <TBZ> but, brb.. maybe not, I have a bad feeling I'm about to screw up
[11:36] <mike__> nice... i just bought an 8600 gt oc a few days ago, but ended up taking it back because i couldn't get a good resolution out of it - i use my tv as a monitor and can't seem to find a way to use the whole screen. :-\
[11:37] <TBZ> mike__: that can be a pain... I've been through a few setups like that for MAME machines
[11:38] <mike__> well, i'm off. peace out, everyone.
[11:44] <sektant>    ?
[11:45] <stdin> !ru | sektant
[11:45] <ubotu> sektant:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:58] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39050
[12:02] <sille> beg for assist... anyone know dos commands to clear/unlock adept installer database?
[12:02] <stdin> !aptfix
[12:02] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:02] <stdin> sille: ^
[12:02] <Zombie> Does the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?
[12:02] <drif> dos?
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> sille: I can't remember the command but for future reference, calling it "dos" will raise eyebrows ;)
[12:02] <drif> sille: I beg you for not to curse :D
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> sille: it's no dos, you see, it's the bash shell / CLI / terminal. :)
[12:03] <sille> ok no dos...
[12:04] <sille> anyone know terminal commands to clear an instal that went bad...
[12:04] <drif> ;)
[12:04] <stdin> sille:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:07] <intelikey> stdin i made a "public" version    incase anyone needs it.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39053
[12:08] <intelikey> chattr is kinda tricky about testing for.   so it took me a minute.
[12:09] <intelikey> probably should also have tested for $1  but i'm getting lazy.
[12:10] <intelikey> added.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39054
[12:11] <Seven_away> I'm back
[12:12] <stdin> intelikey: did you mean "... sudo echo "" && || exit 1" ? shouldn't it be "... sudo echo "" || exit 1
[12:13] <intelikey> is it not ?
[12:14] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39055
[12:14] <intelikey> good eye.   :)
[12:17] <opencan_> Can anyone help me set a 'l2tp' internet connection?
[12:20] <Zombie> Do you mean a VPN Connection?
[12:25] <anthony_> sup
[12:27] <jobbe_> hey, I'm trying  to install a local Samsung ML-2010 printer (supported by splix, which is installed) on gutsy tribe 4 but I can't select the "local printer" choice in the printer admin panel. Also, the cups web interface won't show the drivers. The printer is recognised by the system (dmesg shows the appropriate messages). Any idea on where the problem might be?
[12:37] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39058
[12:51] <ref> hi friends, it is the last time i try to get help here for this issue on bootwritecd, i am stuck with it, and i have received no anwsers..
[12:52] <ref> how could /sys/module/sbs/parameters/capacity_mode (and others) not be accessible to mkisofs while running bootcdwrite as root???
[12:53] <intelikey> ref those things are not on the fs  they are in ram
[12:54] <dhq__> how do i lock my hardisk
[12:54] <intelikey>  lock  ?
[12:55] <intelikey> what do you mean lock my hd ?
[12:56] <germanjew> When I try and use gcc it gives this error in the Konsole: "error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory" can anyone please tell me how I can fix this?
[12:56] <ref> intelikey: ok, so how do i make it accessible at least for reading while running bootcdwrite??
[12:57] <germanjew> how can gcc not have <stdio.h>????????????????????????
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> germanjew: it should do.
[12:57] <intelikey> !b-e
[12:58] <SlimeyPete> make sure you have libc6-dev installed.
[12:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:58] <ref> germanjew: yeah.. try to reinstall with synaptic or adept or plai apt-get
[12:58] <dhq__> intelikey, i have a portable hdd its on fat32 i need to lock it so that no one else can access it
[12:59] <trekdanne> dhq__: encryption?
[01:00] <intelikey> dhq__ sudo mount -o remount,uuid=$UID,dmask=077,fmask=177 <mountpoint of the drive>
[01:00] <dhq__> trekdanne, well not encryption as i will need to dcrypt when i use it
[01:00] <ref> intelikey: are files on RAM not accesible to root?? but i do a chmod a+rwx and it seems to access it, but this file gets stuck, no matter what chmod i do: /sys/module/eisa_bus/parameters/disable_dev
[01:00] <dhq__> intelikey, but when i put it in others pc it will mount rite
[01:01] <germanjew> I don't know why, but for some reason libc6-dev was not installed!
[01:01] <germanjew> thanks peopla
[01:01] <germanjew> people
[01:01] <nefta> i need some help, please, i'm just installed kubuntu, everything is ok, but i can't write on sda2, only if i type "sudo ......." in konsole. what can i do?
[01:01] <intelikey> dhq__ yes   that's only a one-off command.
[01:01] <intelikey> ref i don't know.   i don't play around in /sys    sorry.
[01:02] <intelikey> don't even have a /sys dir here
[01:02] <ref> intelikey, what is sys about, and why would bootcdwrite want to access it so bad??
[01:03] <intelikey> nefta what is the fs type ?
[01:03] <intelikey> ref  i don't know.    never used bootcdwrite either...
[01:04] <ref> nefta, i think you want to use 'chmod', type 'man chmod' in terminal. if you want it to be always acessible just with boot, google for 'fstab' file
[01:04] <intelikey> i've made a few bootable cd's   but just used xcdroast,  can't really help ya there
[01:04] <nefta> thanks
[01:04] <intelikey> nefta what is the fs type ?
[01:05] <intelikey> can't chmod M$ crap
[01:05] <intelikey> err excuse me.  not crap,  stuff.
[01:05] <ubuntu_aqua> what?
[01:06] <Bauldrick> How can I stop my cursor disappearing when I log out?
[01:06] <nefta> intelikey i don understand you
[01:06] <ubuntu_aqua> oh
[01:06] <ref> intelikey, cant you chmod a hard disk?
[01:06] <intelikey> ref what do you mean ?
[01:07] <ref> nefta, ntfs or ext3 or reiserfs on the harddisk you cant access
[01:07] <nefta> ext3
[01:07] <nefta> sorry fs = file system
[01:08] <ubuntu_aqua> oh! thx
[01:08] <ref> ok, so it is native to linux
[01:08] <nefta> yes
[01:08] <intelikey> then you probably don't want to chmod it anyway    especally if it's a system partition    if it's just storage you might rather own it.    sudo chown <yourname> <mountpoint> -R
[01:09] <ref> intelikey, thanks :-)
[01:09] <nefta> it just for storage
[01:10] <nefta> but i want it to be accesible when i reboot
[01:10] <ref> nefta, the right way to do this is changing your fstab file
[01:10] <intelikey> nope
[01:11] <ref> ???
[01:11] <ref> really
[01:11] <intelikey> that would be true if it was vfat or ntfs
[01:11] <intelikey> not ext#
[01:11] <ref> hum, what then?
[01:12] <nefta> any suggestion to change my fstab?
[01:12] <intelikey> if you want everyone to be able to access it   you chmod it   if you want a group to have access  you chown :groupname   and  also chmod     if you want a user to have access you chown
[01:12] <intelikey> nefta yeah    dont.
[01:13] <ref> intelikey, and that will remain for next boots?
[01:13] <intelikey> yes.
[01:13] <intelikey> it's permanant.
[01:15] <ref> intelikey, well, at boot time, doesnt ubuntu check what is in fstab to know where to mount each device and what permissions to give?
[01:16] <intelikey> in real file systems  the permissions bit is on the disk for each inode  so every inode(file dirrectory socket link...) has it's own ownership and permissions    but M$ file systems don't have those bits    linux uses a psyudo permissions bit that is  fs wide for that mount.
[01:16] <intelikey> ref  youe linux checks the fstab   but you can't set a psyudo permission for a real file system.
[01:17] <intelikey>  youe  ==  yes
[01:17] <sreejith> sdfsdf
[01:18] <intelikey> ref that's also why you cant change ownership or permissions for a file on an ms fs.
[01:19] <Zombie> The result hasn't changed.
[01:19] <intelikey> i.e.  chown & chmod  don't work if it's  M$
[01:19] <intelikey> Zombie what result ?  which result ?
[01:20] <Zombie> The monitor resolution will not go down to 400x300 or 320x240
[01:21] <intelikey> oh.
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[01:21] <ref> Zombie, i dont know why you need that, but have you tried gvidm?
[01:22] <Zombie> ref: I have some bizzare applications that want that resd.
[01:23] <intelikey> can't run windowed ?
[01:24] <ref> Zombie, maybe apt/synaptic/adept install 'gvidm', it work for me on that kind of situations
[01:24] <ref> and run it with "gvidm -r"
[01:25] <ref> intelikey, how would he run a app say "chickenwar" windowed?
[01:26] <intelikey> idk
[01:29] <Zombie> intelikey: Its Microscopic,.
[01:29] <Zombie> intelikey: Its Games.
[01:30] <intelikey> ah yes i know the problem,   unfortunately i don't know the solution.
[01:30] <intelikey> err for you.
[01:30] <ref> Zombie, tell me if "gvidm -r" helps, its a small app
[01:30] <Zombie> It doesn't.
[01:31] <intelikey> for me it would be "just don't play those games"   but i'm sure that's a non-option option
[01:31] <Zombie> The idea is to take some of my extremely rare games to school
[01:31] <Zombie> like.
[01:31] <Zombie> Dracula X: Rhondo of Blood for the Turbo Grafx 16.
[01:32] <grispa72> I have the trust md-1250 usb modem. Have you an idea on how it works?
[01:32] <intelikey> maybe a modeline in the xorg.conf ?
[01:32] <Zombie> Thats what I've been working on
[01:33] <_Shade_> how can i share my internet connection with a windiws machine?
[01:33] <intelikey> ipforwarding ?
[01:33] <Zombie> _Shade_: Install and configure Shorewall
[01:34] <ref> Zombie: if you just need to set your resolution to 400x300, why doesnt gvidm -r help?
[01:34] <Zombie> Because I have no modeline support for that yet.
[01:37] <_Shade_> Zombie: where can i find the sharewall then?
[01:37] <ref> Zombie: hum, so you would need to put that res as an option into your xorg.conf?
[01:38] <Zombie> _Shade_: sudo apt-get install shorewall
[01:40] <nobbi> Hi, I want to paste a file into usr/share/sounds. What is the right command?
[01:40] <grispa72> Up?
[01:40] <_Shade_> Zombie: i have just managed to set up my samba lan, but i can't access internet from the windows machine
[01:40] <_Shade_> Zombie: ok got it
[01:41] <intelikey> nobbi sudo cp /path/to/file /usr/share/sounds
[01:42] <_Shade_> Zombie: i have no idea how to configure it though
[01:43] <Sevenhill> nobbi: kdesu konqueror   when konqueror opened with root permissions you can copy and write everywhere with in that konqueror
[01:47] <grispa72> I have just installed Kubuntu 7.04 but the max resolution I have is 640x480. Why?
[01:48] <_Shade_> Zombie: do you know any howtos about how to set it up?
[01:49] <Zombie> You need to learn howe on the Upstream maintainers web site. Its more than just internet connection sharing, its als a firewall.
[01:49] <nobbi> @sevenhill, intelikey  thanks, it works fine
[01:49] <sandhya> Hi, can i get some help in setting up Skype?
[01:49] <sandhya> I can't get my microphone working.
[01:50] <_Shade_> Zombie: isn't there something easier though?
[01:51] <arun> hey kids
[01:51] <linopil> !resolution
[01:51] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:51] <sandhya> !skype
[01:51] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[01:51] <linopil> grispa72,  ^^
[01:52] <Zombie> _Shade_: I am not accustomed to Ubuntu.
[01:53] <_Shade_> i see... well i will look further then... the fireshore seems to hard for such begginer :)
[01:54] <sandhya> !microphone
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:54] <arun> as i was saying before i got disconnected, hello people
[01:54] <intelikey> !frostwire | sandhya
[01:54] <ubotu> sandhya: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[01:55] <sandhya> intelikey: ?
[01:55] <arun> sandhya: what are you looking to do? microphone not working?
[01:55] <intelikey> antisipating..
[01:55] <sandhya> arun: Yes
[01:56] <agm_> sandhya : go to sound mixer and go to input tab and try increasing capture values
[01:56] <sandhya> arun: I've got Skype installed, but can't get the mic working. Even audio output is unreliable - works only occassionally.
[01:57] <sandhya> agm_: I've set it to max in "KMix" and also enabled it by clicking on the green LED.
[01:57] <arun> sandhya: i think i have a solution
[01:57] <sandhya> arun: I've all ears
[01:57] <sandhya> I'm*
[01:59] <arun> actually, not really.. sorry
[01:59] <arun> are you sure you've set your input mode to mic?
[01:59] <sandhya> In Skype?
[01:59] <arun> no, in kmix
[02:00] <ref> file /sys/module/sbs/parameters/capacity_mode (and others) not be accessible to mkisofs while running bootcdwrite as root
[02:00] <ref> that is keeping me from making a livecd out of my running distro
[02:00] <sandhya> arun: Mic select is Mic1
[02:00] <runlevelten> I've had skype suddenly stop working with the mic before.
[02:00] <sandhya> input source select is input 1
[02:00] <runlevelten> skype sucks.
[02:01] <intelikey> ref tried umount /sys ?
[02:01] <arun> sandhya: input source should be 'Mic'
[02:01] <runlevelten> :P
[02:01] <arun> sandhya: also, in skype, in tools > options > sound devices.. for 'audio in' make sure your mic is selected (if you haven't done that already)
[02:01] <sandhya> arun: Input source select does not have an option mic.
[02:01] <ref> intelikey, nop. I though that i would mess everything since /sys has infos about my hardware
[02:02] <arun> sandhya: in kmix, under the 'switches' tab?
[02:02] <intelikey> ref type mount     and save the info on the line /sys is on  so you can remount it and try it.
[02:03] <sandhya> arun: Which drop down should I be checking ? I have two "input source select" drop downs and neither of them has "mic"
[02:03] <intelikey> ref i don't know of anything that needs  /sys   but i'm sure some things can use it...
[02:03] <arun> sandhya: neither of them has mic? what sound card are you using?
[02:03] <arun> what options do you see?
[02:04] <sandhya> arun: It is detected as a VIA 8237
[02:04] <arun> sandhya: what options do you see in the drop down?
[02:05] <ref> intelikey, i dont get "type mount     and save the info on the line /sys is on  so you can remount it and try it.", mount what?
[02:05] <sandhya> arun: input1 and input2
[02:05] <intelikey> mount
[02:05] <agm_> sandhya  try all of them one by one that might help
[02:05] <intelikey> see i typed mount
[02:05] <intelikey> do that in a konsole
[02:05] <arun> sandhya: try selecting input1 for both. if that doesn't work, try input2 for both
[02:05] <intelikey> mount
[02:06] <sandhya> arun: will do - sec
[02:06] <intelikey> and it will show you info on what is mounted where and what options were used
[02:06] <ref> "/sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" is my line with sys
[02:07] <ref> ok, i umount it, run bootcdwrite and mount it again afterwards
[02:07] <intelikey> well there you go   to remount it you would type   sudo mount /sys /sys -t sysfs
[02:08] <intelikey> oops bumped enter
[02:08] <intelikey> well there you go   to remount it you would type   sudo mount /sys /sys -t sysfs -o rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev
[02:08] <ref> i'll try to make my livecd now! thanks :-), hoppe this works, i am on this for days
[02:09] <ScarFreewill> how do I get jahshaka to work on feisty?
[02:09] <_Shade_> Zombie: still there?
[02:09] <AhDiCt3D> How do i install linux over linux in a dualboot formation so i can keep windows intact but overwrite my linux alltogether?
[02:10] <arun> AhDiCt3d: just install it over the previous installation?
[02:10] <ref> intelikey, umount: /sys: device is busy
[02:10] <AhDiCt3D> arun: Yeah my linux hosed and wont boot it just cycles over and over
[02:10] <intelikey> you did  sudo it ?
[02:10] <ref> yeah
[02:10] <ref> sudo umount /sys
[02:11] <arun> AhDiCt3D: i meant just install it over the same partition
[02:11] <arun> :)
[02:11] <ScarFreewill> anyone know any nice multimedia editor like eg. windows movie maker is for windows?
[02:11] <AhDiCt3D> arun: ok any idea how to install nvidia drivers in Gutsy without it crashing?
[02:11] <intelikey> probably something kde kio that has it tied up  you don't have konqueror or a konsole looking at it do you ?
[02:11] <arun> AhDiCt3D: sorry, haven't used gutsy
[02:11] <AhDiCt3D> ok
[02:11] <arun> sandhya: any luck?
[02:12] <Bauldrick> Any one know why my cursor disappears when I switch user?
[02:12] <ref> intelikey, nop
[02:12] <sandhya> arun: Nope. I've also tried setting my sound configuration to use "Duplex" mode (as per a google), with no luck.
[02:12] <arun> sandhya: damn
[02:13] <arun> you've selected the device from the skype options, right?
[02:13] <Zombie> _Shade_: I have otther things I need to deal with.
[02:13] <intelikey> ref i don't know then   fuser can probably find it for you though.
[02:13] <sandhya> arun: But basically, I think this might not just be a microphone issue only. Even the Skype connecting audio seems to function only intermittently.
[02:13] <arun> sandhya: ah
[02:13] <arun> what version of skype are you using, btw?
[02:13] <intelikey> you'll have to read the page on that tho.   man fuser    i'm not well versed in that app.
[02:14] <sandhya> arun: 1.4.0.99
[02:14] <arun> ah, i'm using an older version
[02:14] <sandhya> arun: and alsamixer 1.0.13
[02:14] <sandhya> assuming that alsa is the same version.
[02:15] <ref> i am reading, fuser -m seems to be it
[02:15] <arun> sandhya: this might be useful - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[02:15] <ref> intelikey, but fuser -m prints a bunch of number ending with "m"...
[02:15] <sandhya> arun: I'm going to try starting skype using "artsdsp -m ./skype" now. brb.
[02:15] <arun> sandhya: check out that link
[02:15] <_Shade_> Zombie: ah... to bad then. I just wanted to say that after shorewall instalation i cannot access any website, or download any updates/packages via apt get
[02:16] <sandhya> arun: been there - it seems to be very dated.
[02:16] <Zombie> You are missing sources.
[02:16] <arun> ah
[02:16] <arun> sorry
[02:16] <sandhya> arun: I'm browsing through the FAQs on skype.com atm.
[02:16] <arun> hmm
[02:16] <arun> anything in the skype forums?
[02:17] <_Shade_> Zombie: were you talking to me?
[02:17] <Zombie> Yse.
[02:17] <arun> sandhya: try installing the new version of alsa
[02:18] <arun> 1.0.14
[02:18] <arun> sandhya: i've checked a couple blogs, and they say that when everything else failed, installing alsa drivers v1.0.14 did it for them
[02:19] <sandhya> arun: Are you aware of any debs for that? I don't want to get into compiling stuff as I want to retain my sanity :P
[02:19] <illriginal> Hey guys, I'm using Audicity to modify mp3s and make them into ring tones, but audicity needs a file: libmp3lame.so and i can't find this file on synaptic
[02:20] <arun> sandhya: seems pretty easy, actually.. see option 'D' here: http://geekybits.blogspot.com/2007/06/microphones-skype-on-ubuntu.html
[02:22] <arun> sandhya: did you check that out?
[02:23] <sandhya> arun: I'm watching the linked screencast on that page. But the installation steps on that page involve compiling stuff :o
[02:24] <arun> sandhya: i dont think it will break anything
[02:25] <stdin> illriginal: install "liblame0" and probably "lame"
[02:25] <arun> hey stdin, how are you?
[02:25] <stdin> arun: happy, just had lunch :p
[02:26] <stdin> illriginal: install "liblame0" and probably "lame"
[02:28] <arun> sandhya: any luck? did the screencast help?
[02:28] <sandhya> arun: Nope. I'm trying the upgrade now. (btw thank you so much for helping me out!)
[02:30] <arun> sandhya: pleasure's mine
[02:31] <illriginal> stdin... in what folder would "lame" be in? I'm in the usr/lib directory
[02:31] <stdin> illriginal: once you install those packages, restart audacity, it will find them then
[02:32] <ref> intelikey, i pasted the output of "lsof /sys" in http://paste.milk-it.net/572 can you check if that is really a list of processes that are using /sys
[02:32] <illriginal> nah i did just that... still can't find
[02:32] <BetaTester> HI all. Is there a way that I send a zipped file to a remote print queue?
[02:33] <stdin> illriginal: you could need liblame0-dev , tho I don't know why audacity would want that
[02:35] <sandhya> arunkale: Trying to compile alsa - running ./configure gives me an error "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[02:35] <ref> intelikey: i pasted the output of "lsof /sys" in http://paste.milk-it.net/572 can you check if that is really a list of processes that are using /sys
[02:35] <arunkale> sandhya: er?
[02:35] <stdin> sandhya: install build-essential
[02:35] <stdin> and maybe give https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware a read
[02:36] <sandhya> stdin: cheers!
[02:37] <arunkale> cool
[02:37] <illriginal> stdin... audicity isn't working properly =\
[02:38] <karan> reload
[02:38] <pedro__> all of my software sources are enabled, and my friend just got an update to some packages that i did not.  i have run an update, and  although i did get SOME updates, i didnt get the same ones such as amarok... why would this be?
[02:39] <arunkale> sandhya: did you compile the new alsa drivers?
[02:41] <pedro__> anyone know why my system has not detected updates to packages such as amarok?
[02:41] <pag> pedro__, you have backports enabled?
[02:41] <pedro__> no.
[02:41] <pag> !easysorces | pedro__
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysorces - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <pag> !easysources | pedro__
[02:41] <ubotu> pedro__: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:42] <pedro__> is the new amarok only available through the backports repos?
[02:42] <buz> !mp3
[02:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:43] <pag> pedro__, it's also in gutsy and you can compile it from the sources... but backports is easiest ;)
[02:43] <pedro__> hmmm... she must have messed around and enabled them somehow on her machine....
[02:43] <pedro__> okay
[02:43] <pedro__> i feel better now
[02:43] <stdin> pedro__: 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu7 is the feisty default, but 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1 is in feisty-backports
[02:43] <pedro__> truth is, i dont NEED the new amarok, just wondering if my system was screwy
[02:44] <pedro__> i TOLD that girl not to mes with stuff less she wants to break her machine
[02:44] <pedro__> she dont listen
[02:44] <stdin> her system, she can break it if she wants :p
[02:44] <pedro__> heh, true
[02:45] <pedro__> thanks for shining light
[02:45] <pedro__> later!
[02:45] <kumamoto> it is sad I can't seem to change the fonts of app that are exclusively controlled by root
[02:45] <kumamoto> for example kvpnc adept and crap like that
[02:46] <stdin> kumamoto: tried "kdesu systemsettings" and settings root's default fonts?
[02:49] <sandhya> arunkale: it's taking forever ... no errors thus far though.
[02:49] <BetaTester> Hi stdin. Can I intercept the command given to lp or lpd when printing from open office?
[02:50] <arunkale> sandhya: ah, alright
[02:50] <sandhya> :)
[02:50] <arunkale> where are all of you from?
[02:50] <stdin> BetaTester: I don't know, I never really use Open Office much. why do you need to?
[02:51] <sandhya> arunkale: I'm going to watch the match for a bit - bbi10 :)
[02:51] <arunkale> sandhya: what match? india v england?
[02:52] <BetaTester> stdin , if you remember I had problmes with Konica Minolta 1400W network printing. Printing on the print server with large files is just OK. I seek a way to send to the print server zipped files which can be printed on the print server. Then eveything will be OK. I lost too many time...
[02:52] <buz> is there any native monkey audio (.ape) decoder for ubuntu?
[02:52] <buz> i hate wine
[02:53] <llutz> BetaTester: lpq/lprm or cups to manage print jobs
[02:53] <patrick_> hi
[02:53] <kumamoto> stdin: thanks I will try that
[02:53] <BetaTester> llutz, I have to initate printing via script somehow from open office :(
[02:55] <llutz> BetaTester: can't you install your script as a pseudo-printer in cups and use that in OOO?
[02:56] <cameron> Question: Does anyone know the meaning of the system message.........conversation with su failed. I simply changed my password and now can`t get admin privileges
[02:58] <angelus> can someone tell me what i need to install to be able to read mobile's memory card on kubuntu?
[02:58] <stdin> cameron: have you logged out and back in since you changed your password?
[02:59] <BetaTester> llutz, I have to read about this. This might be the correct sollution regarding OOffice. Then what? I have the file /tmp/LAST.RTF. I want to tar it and send it to the remote side. How do I unzip it before printing on the remote side?
[02:59] <cameron> Many times. nothing seems to work . Although i can access root through the command line
[02:59] <Angelus> the card reader is a USB device, which has a place where the mobile's memory card goes in
[02:59] <Angelus> but kubuntu seems not to be reeding the device :s
[02:59] <Angelus> and windows reads it
[03:01] <cameron> sudo works also, su keeps failing
[03:02] <llutz> BetaTester: untar and print
[03:02] <arunkale> cameron: kdesu doesn't work but sudo does?
[03:02] <kumamoto> stdin: nice thanks it worked
[03:03] <cameron> Correct
[03:07] <jhutchins> cameron: On a default installation, su should not work.
[03:08] <buti> i'm testing gutsy. and i got problems with oo.
[03:08] <stdin> buti: #ubuntu+1
[03:09] <jhutchins> buti: Thank you for locating the problems.  Please report them.  Gutsy support is in #ubuntu+1.
[03:10] <Angelus> jhutchins: do you know what i should install to read a mobile's memory card from a usb card reader
[03:10] <buti> jhutchins: i'll try
[03:10] <cameron> Well if that is correct, the system is functioning properly. The problem is i can no longer get access to administration to do upgrades and such. The system is constantly calling up su. Is ther a change or how can i switch to sudo?
[03:10] <jhutchins> Angelus: It should mount as an ordinary USB storage device - a hard drive.
[03:11] <Angelus> yeah but it doesnt :S
[03:11] <Angelus> kubuntu doesnt mount it
[03:11] <jhutchins> cameron: What did you do immediately prior to the problem?  Did you run automatix?
[03:11] <Angelus> and on windows it mounts
[03:11] <Angelus> :/
[03:12] <cameron> changed my password
[03:12] <BetaTester> llutz, stdin :D I thought so. I wish I could make this: 1. A print job is spooled from a remote location 2. A script is initiated 3. The spool job is cancelled
[03:12] <cameron> do not know automatix
[03:12] <Angelus> any ideas jhutchins
[03:12] <BetaTester> I guess this is not difficult but How can I initiate a script when something is spooled? llutz
[03:13] <jhutchins> cameron: Try changing your password back the same way you changed it in the first place.
[03:13] <jhutchins> Angelus: No, but I know this problem comes up frequently here, you should be able to find someone familiar with it.
[03:14] <cameron> I have. The problem is i can not get back in to do it. su on the command line works. On the gui Fails !
[03:14] <Angelus> anyone haqs expirience with a usb card reader?
[03:14] <Angelus> :o
[03:14] <jhutchins> cameron: If you have done su instead of su - you might need to reinstall.
[03:15] <jhutchins> cameron: If you've messed with the sudo configuration instead of working within it, a reinstall may be the quickest way to a working system.
[03:15] <cameron> I hoped that there would be a workaround to aviod that
[03:15] <jhutchins> cameron: If you had worked with the system there might be.
[03:16] <cameron> I believe you are right jhutchins
[03:17] <cameron> ok
[03:22] <genii> Damn, buz left and I finally found a Monkey Audio Codec for him (in Java)
[03:25] <kaminix> I have a network related question. If I unlimit the ktorrent bandwidth over night (since I'm not downloading anything, just uploading), will it be prone to disconnect and stop uploading?
[03:25] <kaminix> As noted, I don't care about my download over night.
[03:26] <cameron> Does anyone know if lynx is available for kubuntu?
[03:26] <SlimeyPete> should be fine, kaminix
[03:26] <kaminix> Thanks SlimeyPete. :)
[03:26] <sandhya> arunkale: Just tested things and no luck :/
[03:27] <sandhya> arunkale: I think I'm going to call it a day. I'll try again on the morrow. Thanks again for all your help!
[03:27] <kaminix> cameron: Lynx is available in repos, since it runs in console it works for all Ubuntu flavors.
[03:27] <arunkale> sandhya: sucks. did you restart x first?
[03:27] <sandhya> arunkale: hmm, no :o
[03:27] <arunkale> sandhya: try restarting x
[03:27] <sandhya> arunkale: I'll give it a shot tomorrow - dnner calls :) And yes, Ind v Eng. Starts in 3 minutes :)
[03:27] <sandhya> thanks again :)
[03:28] <arunkale> dinner? where are you from
[03:28] <cameron> Thank you kaminix
[03:31] <genii> actually lynx in repos is actually a synonym for elinks/links
[03:31] <nodesert> where is the localhost directory  on linux
[03:32] <BetaTester> stdin, do you know if I can start a script with the spooling of a job?
[03:33] <stdin> BetaTester: not a clue, you'd have to talk to some cups people
[03:33] <genii> nodesert: Do you mean, when you put into a browser http://localhost     where are those files in your directory structure?
[03:34] <nodesert> yes
[03:34] <nodesert> genii:yes
[03:34] <genii> nodesert: in /var/www
[03:34] <nodesert> thnaks
[03:41] <BetaTester> thanks, stdin :)
[03:43] <teacher> How can I partition my drive after I have already installed Kubuntu?
[03:47] <squashball> qtparted
[03:48] <genii> yup
[03:51] <teacher> thnx
[03:55] <Artimus> I never checked.  When adept checks for new packages, does it actually update my apt cache (apt-get update)?  Or does it just fetch a list for itself?
[03:56] <stdin> Artimus: adept is just a frontend to apt-get, so it actually runs apt-get update
[03:56] <Artimus> ok, then I can skip doing that manually, thanks.
[03:57] <Artimus> I figured I'd hate adept.  But I kind of like the system tray notifier.
[03:58] <bonedaddy__> hello
[03:59] <bonedaddy__> can anyone tell me how to install my ati drivers
[04:00] <stdin> bonedaddy__: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:00] <bonedaddy__> thanks
[04:00] <genii> !helpersnack |stdin
[04:00] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:00] <stdin> heh :)
[04:01] <genii> stdin: Pretty quiet in here generally
[04:01] <bonedaddy__> anything on samba when I converted I moved all my media to a nas but the shares don't show up
[04:01] <stdin> genii: yeah, I'm playing frozen-bubble on my nano :p
[04:03] <stdin> I don't use samba, so can't really help there
[04:03] <genii> bonedaddy__: How did you move them over? Likely whatever user copied them now has ownership
[04:03] <bonedaddy__> is there anything else i can use to get to the share
[04:04] <stdin> anything you want, ftp, ssh, http, nfs...
[04:04] <bonedaddy__> but it's a windows netshare
[04:05] <genii> Sounds like some configuration thin on the windoze side
[04:05] <genii> *thing
[04:05] <bonedaddy__> well thanks I have to go to work later
[04:06] <genii> bonedaddy__: Does it have an IP address?
[04:06] <bonedaddy__> yes
[04:06] <genii> You can retry smb with IP instead of netbios name
[04:07] <bonedaddy__> i installed komba2 but it does not show the shares
[04:07] <bonedaddy__> it show the device
[04:09] <bonedaddy__> thanks
[04:09] <genii> My other fast suggestion would be to unify a name on the share with some system name on the *nix box trying to connect to it
[04:10] <genii> Also check perms on the windoze side for access to that share, if seen, etc
[04:15] <patrick_> hi all how can i have icq for kubuntu? i downloaded kicy and licq usw but i cant install.. can any help?
[04:15] <SlimeyPete> doesn't GAIM do icq?
[04:16] <patrick_> whats gaim?
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> it's an IM client
[04:16] <stdin> and kopete
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> when you say "downloaded"..
[04:16] <patrick_> uhm...i dont know
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> ...you do realise you can just use Adept/apt-get to install software, right?
[04:16] <patrick_> i use kubuntu since today
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> you don't usually have to manually download stuff :)
[04:16] <patrick_> ya
[04:17] <stdin> kopete will work with icq
[04:17] <patrick_> kopete?
[04:17] <genii> gaim/pidgin does ICQ tho not the file transfers
[04:17] <stdin> KMenu > Internet > Kopete
[04:17] <genii> same with msn
[04:17] <sahin_h> Yep, I use kopete as an icq client daily basis. Works like a charm.
[04:18] <patrick_> =D
[04:18] <patrick_> great
[04:18] <patrick_> thank you
[04:19] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[04:20] <contrast83> Does anyone know if "apt-get dselect-upgrade" will *remove* the applications that weren't installed when "dpkg --set-selections" was run?
[04:23] <boguh> whats the name of  the package to configure gtk apss in kcontrol?
[04:24] <runlevelten> !package python-django
[04:25] <runlevelten> gtk-qt-styles I spose boguh
[04:29] <runlevelten> the python-django package in universe, can anyone tell me what exact source that's derived from?
[04:33] <Angelus> how can i play .wav files on linux?
[04:35] <llutz> Angelus: play, amarok, kaffeine
[04:36] <Angelus> amarok doesnt play .wav
[04:37] <pieps> ciao
[04:38] <llutz> Angelus: sure it does
[04:39] <Angelus> not on my amarok llutz
[04:39] <Angelus> it says "there is no available decoder"
[04:40] <llutz> Angelus: install libxine-extracodecs
[04:40] <Angelus> OK
[04:44] <contrast83> in ~2 months, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" will do it. :-)
[04:45] <contrast83> yet another ubuntu thing that's 1 release behind for the kubuntu users.
[04:48] <joseph1110216> i have a laptop that doesnt have a driver recovery disk, so when i go to windows, my wireless and most of my hardware will not work. is there a folder in ubuntu that saves all my drivers. i would like to copy it onto an external hd and use it on windows
[04:49] <MarkC> everytime i log in kmail starts maximized, i want it to start as docked in tray, how do i do this?
[04:50] <MarkC> i checked every option it has in it's settings and cannot find any that does this.
[04:50] <stdin> joseph1110216: the linux drivers aren't the same and won't work in windows
[04:50] <joseph1110216> is there a way to see which drivers i need using windows?
[04:51] <contrast83> Does anyone know if "apt-get dselect-upgrade" will *remove* the applications that weren't installed when "dpkg --set-selections" was run?
[04:51] <joseph1110216> or isthere a way in ubuntu to see wat kind of wireless card my laptop is using so i can get the drivers for it onloine
[04:51] <dwidmann_> lspci -vv
[04:51] <dwidmann_> look at the output of it
[04:52] <contrast83> joseph1110216: what brand is your laptop?
[04:52] <stdin> joseph1110216: look the the hardware list thing (I forget what it's called in windows) and google, or in ubuntu "lspci" and write/print then google
[04:52] <joseph1110216> its a dell inspiron 8600
[04:52] <TuTUX> is there way to move /boot to a separet partition with grub?
[04:52] <joseph1110216> i just need to get the wireless to work
[04:52] <stdin> joseph1110216: dell normally have a whole section for driver on their websire
[04:52] <contrast83> joseph1110216: i think dell's website is supposed to be pretty helpful with drivers. could be wrong though.
[04:53] <joseph1110216> i tried. they are assholes
[04:53] <dwidmann_> TuTUX: you could use sudo grub-install and point it at a blank partition, that *should* work
[04:53] <contrast83> umm... -_~
[04:53] <joseph1110216> ill try again
[04:54] <contrast83> click the drivers link, pick your model #, and download the driver for whatever component.
[04:54] <TuTUX> dwidmann_: should I first copy the /boot to that partition?
[04:54] <dwidmann_> No
[04:54] <TuTUX> just leave it with nothing?
[04:55] <dwidmann_> It should take care of all of that for you.
[04:55] <dwidmann_> IIRC
[04:55] <dwidmann_> wait, come to think of it, you probably need to move/copy the kernel and initrds to the new /boot
[04:56] <TuTUX> dwidmann_, yes, that was wat i worried
[04:56] <stdin> joseph1110216: http://tinyurl.com/2s4lcj
[04:56] <dwidmann_> TuTUX: I'd move them first, then do it ... be extra careful that it picks them up and adds them to the grub list
[04:57] <shadowhywind> does anyone know where the iptable.conf file is located?
[04:57] <TuTUX> dwidmann_, but at least grub should work with that partition, right?
[04:57] <dwidmann_> the locate command probably does shadowhywind
[04:58] <stdin> shadowhywind: there isn't one
[04:58] <TuTUX> dwidmann_, i mean, it will boot with the new grub, right?
[04:59] <dwidmann_> I think so. I've had trouble getting it to boot to the right /boot partition in the past though, so I make no promises.
[05:00] <TuTUX> dwidmann_, it alright i just need a workin grub in a small partition so i can do the harddisk install with alternite CD
[05:01] <runlevelten> !info python-django-snapshot
[05:01] <ubotu> Package python-django-snapshot does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:01] <runlevelten> !info python-django-svn
[05:01] <ubotu> Package python-django-svn does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:01] <runlevelten> :\
[05:07] <fabiobonf> ciao a tutti...
[05:07] <stdin> !it | fabiobonf
[05:07] <ubotu> fabiobonf: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:08] <fabiobonf> #ubuntu-it
[05:08] <fabiobonf> come faccio ad andarci?
[05:09] <stdin> fabiobonf: /join #ubuntu-it o /join #kubuntu-it
[05:09] <fabiobonf> grazie..
[05:15] <shadowhywind> by anychance does anyone know how to setup openvpn?
[05:15] <shadowhywind> I have it installed and half working. When i try to route all my web-traffic through the vpn, I lose my internet
[05:21] <v01d> i have a local ubuntu repository and I'm trying to install feisty without accessing the internet, but it insists on accessing official repositories. Is there a way to avoid this?
[05:21] <m4st3r> omg Kubuntu very nice!
[05:21] <stdin> v01d: remove/comment out the internet repos
[05:23] <v01d> stdin: i do that already with /etc/apt/sources.list, but later on it creates the final sources.list from a script, which doesn't take account of the sources.list on /etc
[05:24] <v01d> the choose-mirror program does this
[05:25] <stdin> v01d: ask in #kubuntu-devel, they know the installer better than anyone
[05:25] <v01d> ok, thanks
[05:28] <antonio_> out)).
[05:29] <Bauldrick> Youtube videos etc... don't work under firefox 64-bit, solution anyone?
[05:30] <stdin> Bauldrick: yep, follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:31] <trekdanne> Bauldrick: nspluginwrapper
[05:31] <Bauldrick> trek > have that already, doesn't seem to do anything?
[05:32] <trekdanne> Bauldrick: it should work
[05:32] <c0llin> hello
[05:32] <trekdanne> however a firefox32 may be easier and more stable
[05:32] <trekdanne> c0llin: hi
[05:32] <miles> konqeuror > ff irl
[05:33] <c0llin> i need gcc-2.95 but there isnt a package for amd64
[05:33] <Bauldrick> trek > all i get on youtube is a white square where the video should
[05:33] <c0llin> whats the best guide on explaining how to build from source?
[05:33] <miles> 4 easy steps
[05:33] <miles> untar
[05:33] <miles> ./config
[05:33] <miles> make
[05:33] <miles> make install
[05:34] <stdin> !compile
[05:34] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:34] <c0llin> ah ok thanks
[05:34] <stdin> c0llin: what needs gcc-2.95? that's really quite an old version
[05:36] <c0llin> pftp-shit.v.1.11
[05:38] <kubuntunomad> Hi
[05:38] <c0llin> opps, seems i only needed it if i did "make static" instead of "made dynamic"
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> hey everyone..how goes our quest for world domination?
[05:45] <slawek__> hi i need to connect my motorola cell phone v 547 to linux
[05:45] <slawek__> by bluetooth
[05:45] <slawek__> Please help
[05:45] <slawek__> :-(
[05:45] <slawek__> no drivers
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> !bluetooth
[05:45] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:48] <Angelus> how can i make Identd on kubuntu
[05:48] <Angelus> for irc?
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> Angelus: an ident?
[05:48] <Angelus> NO
[05:48] <stdin> install an identd server
[05:49] <Angelus> identd
[05:49] <Angelus> hmm
[05:49] <Angelus> will it work automatic stdin?
[05:49] <spiroo> I have a big problem with Dolphin. Why can not I rename a folder for example to DBA
[05:50] <spiroo> Maybe is in Kubuntu for all, but I noticed that in Dolphin
[05:50] <stdin> Angelus: depends on how you connect, if you are behind a firewall/router you'll have to open/forward the port
[05:50] <Bauldrick> I don't have /etc/pango32 what is it a font or program or what?
[05:51] <Angelus> which identd server do you advice stdin?
[05:52] <stdin> Angelus: I use pident on my laptop and bidentd on my desktop (to forward it)
[05:52] <spiroo> anyone except me that has problem with chars in Linux?
[05:54] <Bauldrick> looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=show&redirect=FirefoxAMD64FlashJava   I have no /etc/pango32  what install's it?
[05:56] <Bauldrick> libpango1.0-common ??
[05:58] <trekdanne> !aptfix
[05:58] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:58] <spiroo> !charfix
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about charfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <spiroo> lol
[05:59] <roberto__> anyone know hw to set opt permission ???
[06:10] <radu> where i can find some help to install a video card Nvidia FX 5500 under Kubuntu 7.04?
[06:10] <stdin> here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah thats for ubuntu though...
[06:11] <pebo_> anyone inside who could help me with gnu-ls?
[06:11] <stdin> nosrednaekim: no, it's for both
[06:11] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ah... someone FINALLY changed it?
[06:11] <arun> has anyone here used fedora core?
[06:11] <stdin> nosrednaekim: ME
[06:11] <nosrednaekim> sweet :)
[06:12] <nosrednaekim> thanks..
[06:12] <dori> trying to install some essential development packages but I can't find gcc, g++, etc through Adept, this is on feisty, can anyone help me? maybe I need to add another repository
[06:12] <nosrednaekim> stdin: did you just tell them to install the restricte-manager?
[06:12] <Some_Person> Can I have seperate KDE and GNOME desktop folders?
[06:12] <nosrednaekim> Some_Person: desktop folders? like you want the set of icons to be different?
[06:12] <stdin> nosrednaekim: no, that's not the best thing to do
[06:13] <Some_Person> nosrednaekim: Yes
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> stdin: why not? thats how I always do it, an it edits config files and such for you?
[06:13] <stdin> nosrednaekim: there will be a kubuntu restricted manager in gutsy and they'll conflict a bit
[06:13] <Ahmuck> !build
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[06:13] <pebo_> How do I change the default sort-algo for ls(1)? I would like to see `AZ' _before_ `ab'.
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ah right, so you'd have to reqrite the docs?
[06:14] <stdin> nosrednaekim: yeah, the edgy instructions work in kubuntu, and for all the text on the page it's 2 commands
[06:15] <dori> Ahmuck: thanks, that seems to work, but I'd like to be able to do such installs from adept, what do I need to do to configure it to get these packages (it won't find build-essential through the search)
[06:15] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitude install build-essentials
[06:16] <Ahmuck> dori: why through adept?
[06:16] <Some_Person> nosrednaekim: Can I do that?
[06:16] <dori> Ahmuck: because I like the gui, and I want a central way of doing it
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> Some_Person: ask in #kde if you can change the dektop folder.
[06:17] <arun> does gutsy come with compiz built in?
[06:17] <stdin> dori: build-essential will be in adept along with gcc/g++ they are in the main repository
[06:17] <pebo_> What is /part
[06:17] <stdin> arun: ubuntu yes, kubuntu no
[06:17] <Some_Person> arun: yes
[06:17] <Ahmuck> dori: if ur building from source, adept won't do that for you.
[06:17] <arun> stdin: why not kubuntu?
[06:17] <stdin> pebo_: leave/part the channel
[06:18] <dori> Ahmuck: I'm trying to get gcc from package not from source
[06:18] <pebo_> stdin: why?
[06:18] <Some_Person> No one is answering my in #KDE
[06:18] <stdin> arun: I can only say it hasen't yet, it's not finished yet
[06:18] <stdin> pebo_: why what?
[06:18] <dori> stdin: the search doesn't find it, and it's not under the development section
[06:18] <arun> stdin: ah. ubuntu feisty came with effects built in too, right?
[06:19] <stdin> arun: yep
[06:19] <pebo_> stdin: lol -- sorry, there was a small missunderstanding.. :)
[06:19] <pebo_> stdin: nevermind
[06:19] <arun> stdin: why the partial treatment to ubuntu? :)
[06:20] <Some_Person> yes, effects are built in to ubuntu feisty, if you turn them on, which i dont
[06:21] <Ahmuck> dori: build-essentials as well as gcc is available in adept
[06:22] <dori> Ahmuck: they don't show up for me, when I search for build-essential
[06:22] <dori> or gcc
[06:22] <Angelus> do i have to faward DCC ports to be able to use dcc?
[06:22] <Ahmuck> dori: have you enabled your repositories, and updated?
[06:23] <dori> Ahmuck: as far as I know, I've gotten other packages
[06:23] <Ahmuck> adept is merely a gui to aptitude.  use aptitude to get build-essentials
[06:24] <dori> Ahmuck: I did, thanks, was just hoping adept was good enough
[06:25] <Ahmuck> dori: adept shows them for me.  i suspect you need to check repositories
[06:25] <Some_Person> Can I make it so I have to double-click something to open it, and single-click to select it (like Windows and GNOME)
[06:26] <dori> Ahmuck: could you check http://pastebin.com/m13cb441 for me and tell me if those are OK?
[06:28] <Roy_M> hi, is there any easy way to give a non root user permissions to modify network interfaces from the command line?
[06:28] <stdin> sudo isn't good enough for you?
[06:30] <jhutchins> Some_Person: Yes, I think it's under "Configure Desktop" if you right click.
[06:31] <jarek_> ahoj poradil by mi nekdo jak synchronizovat N70 a kalendar ?
[06:31] <Roy_M> basically I have some perl scripts that make changes to my wireless interfaces et etcetera. However, there is a problem, I think that when these scripts have errors in them, they are causing my machine to lock up. I was thinking that if i could run these scripts as a non root user my machine may not lock up when I make a coding error
[06:31] <Ahmuck> dori: looks the same as mine.  hrm ...
[06:31] <Ahmuck> were you searching for gcc?  or build?
[06:32] <spiroo> Why is there a character type problem in linux?
[06:32] <spiroo> Cannot rename a directory to DBA, it get dba instead
[06:32] <stdin> spiroo: is that on a fat partition?
[06:33] <spiroo> no
[06:33] <spiroo> ext3
[06:33] <spiroo> or I have problem on my USB too btw that is FAT16, but the ext3 has same problem
[06:33] <dori> Ahmuck: I've tried gcc alone, build alone
[06:33] <stdin> works fine here, in dolphin/konqueror/shell
[06:34] <spiroo> hmm weird.
[06:34] <stdin> in fat it won't work, fat isn't case sensitive
[06:34] <spiroo> or wait now I know, I copied the files from the USB
[06:34] <spiroo> But why is they the same, how do I change the fiels
[06:35] <spiroo> I have upper cased name folders, but it is just DBA and MVC that does not work
[06:36] <jhutchins> spiroo: It's a conspiracy against you.
[06:36] <spiroo> haha :D
[06:36] <stdin> tried it in konqueror/shell ?
[06:36] <spiroo> Yea I guess so
[06:36] <spiroo> how do I do in shell?
[06:36] <spiroo> konqueror does not work
[06:37] <stdin> mv dba DBA
[06:38] <spiroo> btw, permissions denied. Why do I always have to change user also to be able to modify files?
[06:38] <spiroo> I am logged in as root.
[06:39] <aaron__> what's up with doc.gwos.org ?
[06:40] <Some_Person> I like the Ubuntu Human theme, is there such a thing for KDE?
[06:40] <stdin> spiroo: if you don't have permission to modify the file/dir then that'll be why
[06:41] <spiroo> nope I have permissions in Dolphin because ive opened as root, not konqueror though
[06:42] <stdin> Some_Person: there probably is on http://www.kde-look.org
[06:42] <spiroo> Just typical this happens to me, always me :D
[06:42] <Some_Person> I've looked on kde-look
[06:42] <jhutchins> spiroo: How did you log in as root?
[06:42] <aaron__> anybody know what's up with doc.gwos.org?
[06:43] <Some_Person> oh heck, im out of disk space
[06:43] <spiroo> in Dolphin on the right there is a link where it says open as root.
[06:44] <spiroo> nvm, I got it worked, I had not changed permissions for all subfolders in that directory, lol
[06:44] <seanpcrowe> System-->Administration-->Software Sources <<<<<<< c hould someone tell me what this is please???
[06:44] <seanpcrowe> i cant find it lol
[06:44] <spiroo> strange it does not work on my USB though.
[06:44] <stdin> aaron__: nothing to do with k/ubuntu
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> seanpcrowe: its inside adept_manager.
[06:45] <stdin> seanpcrowe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu < kubuntu version
[06:45] <seanpcrowe> thanks you nosrednaekim (i was pulling my hair out)
[06:45] <seanpcrowe> thanks stdin =)
[06:45] <spiroo> btw, is anyone know the specific date for the Kubuntu Gutsy release? I know it is october, but I wanna know more exaclty :P
[06:45] <aaron__> stdin: why not? it was an ubuntu document storage facility. had tons of useful ubuntu info on it
[06:46] <spiroo> oh I have got another problem in firefox :D
[06:46] <stdin> aaron__: just because it has some ubuntu info on it doesn't mean it's hosted by ubuntu/canonical
[06:46] <spiroo> How tha heck is I changing the file assoiciations in firefox? I want if I open for instance a torrent file it should open with ktorrent
[06:47] <enry> good evening
[06:48] <aaron__> stdin: i thought it may have been part of the systems that were compromized.
[06:48] <stdin> aaron__: only some community (loco) servers were "compromised" non of the canonical/ubuntu.com sites
[06:49] <spiroo> ?
[06:50] <spiroo> FX anyone? :P
[06:50] <aaron__> OK. I didn't mean to bother anyone with a silly question like, if they knew what was up with one of the biggest redirectors to the ubuntu forums. a site that has probably more technical info on it than any other ubuntu related site.
[06:50] <aaron__> i won't waste anyone elses time.
[06:50] <genii> Geez, someone needs to write to the Register or so and have them clarify that no ubuntu systems were hacked etd
[06:51] <seanpcrowe> does anyone use beryl??? for the cube desktop... does is need a serious GFX card??
[06:51] <avar> Hi, came from #kde. There's apperently some bug with networking in 7.10 (gutsy) that I'm getting. Network connections in non-kde tools but kde tools report host lookup failures. Trying to find a fix for it on google and launchpad
[06:51] <stdin> aaron__: it's not hosted by canonical, it's 3rd party
[06:51] <genii> Or this will go on and on and on
[06:51] <aaron__> stdin: i never said it was.
[06:52] <aaron__> however, the earlier statements weren't clear about what got tampered with, and if you'd actually look at doc.gwos.org, you might see why the question arises.
[06:52] <stdin> genii: I would comment on it, but that would requite me actually having yo visit that site :p
[06:52] <BluesKaj> perhaps an anouncement on kubuntu.org or some such would suffice to alay any fears
[06:52] <spiroo> anyone has experience with file associations in firefox?
[06:53] <spiroo> please, help?
[06:54] <BluesKaj> in what sense spiroo , like plugins or ?
[06:55] <spiroo> I cannot associate .torrent files in firefox to ktorrent
[06:57] <spiroo> BluesKaj: Know how to do?
[06:57] <BluesKaj> ahhh , spiroo click on browse choose usr then .bin then find ktorrent in the list
[06:57] <flueken> kennt sich hier jemand mit openvpn gut aus?
[06:57] <Sakkath> how can i tell what totem-xine isntalled so i can remove them all
[06:57] <spiroo> browse, where?
[06:57] <Sakkath> i picked totem-xine and totem-mozilla
[06:57] <BluesKaj> when you see the download dialog box
[06:57] <stdin> !de | flueken
[06:58] <spiroo> okay, where do I find the .bin then?
[06:58] <ubotu> flueken: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:58] <flueken> sorry wrong chan :-)
[06:58] <lakshmi_> @everyone : Why doesnt kate have Find in Files option?
[06:59] <BluesKaj> try to DL a file first , click on browse in the dialog box then filesystems, spiroo
[06:59] <Sakkath> can i get mp3blaster to play wma?
[06:59] <spiroo> ah thank you, that did it.
[06:59] <lakshmi_> @everyone: let me rephrase, does anyone know any text editor that would have find in files option?
[06:59] <Sakkath> and how can i mount /mnt/windows for users to read
[07:00] <Sakkath> idk the 'remount' command
[07:00] <spiroo> Quite annoying though that I cannot add an filetype in edit > settings > filetypes
[07:01] <BluesKaj> edit/preferences/conteny/configure howwFf....../manage
[07:02] <lakshmi_> @everyone: Please help :)
[07:03] <Sakkath> i can set user option in /etc/fstab so my user can mount it but i just donno how to get my user to read it w/out screwin stuff up
[07:04] <stdin> @lakshmi_: huh? kate has a find function as do most other text editors (even nano)
[07:04] <Freddy2> hi
[07:05] <Freddy2> i've recently installed feisty, and when going to compile djbdns unistd.h was missing.. so i've gone to /usr/include and there are no files there (only a few dirs)
[07:05] <Freddy2> how can i install those header files?
[07:06] <Sakkath> how should i use m$ roads and trips or whatever that GPS thing is.. .do i *need* a dual-boot?
[07:06] <stdin> Freddy2: install build-essential to get the base, then the -dev packages needed for whatever you're going to compile
[07:06] <Freddy2> ok, i'm trying.. thx
[07:07] <NickPresta> Sakkath, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3962
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a safe way to install something that is in the gutsy repositories but not in the feisty-backports?
[07:13] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: depends on what you want to install, generally you add the repo, apt-get update; apt-get install package, remove the repo, apt-get update. it's not "safe" as such, but it's the only real way
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Won't any apt-get update after the repo is removed again downgrade the package again? Speaking of libmtp here, 0.1.3 in feisty, but 0.2.1 in gutsy
[07:15] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: no, it won't downgrade
[07:16] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: apt generally won't downgrade anything (unless you force it to)
[07:16] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Great, I will check how many updated dependancies it has first... If that pulls in half of gutsy, I will let it be for the moment
[07:16] <stdin> probably a good idea :p
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: I have it on my laptop running Gutsy already, but fresh and shiny feisty installation on my desktop is aimed at stability....
[07:21] <genii> Bah KDE4 keeps crushing my Gutsy Kubuntu
[07:21] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: libc is something veeeery basic to the system, right?
[07:21] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: very very basic, core infact
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> That might explain why libmtp6 ist not in the backports... Updates to such vital stuff usually happens with releases, I guess...
[07:24] <stdin> there is a policy to change as little as possible to the base after release, to ensure stability
[07:25] <combo> - if i have kubuntu Dapper version - how can i upgrade to Feisty (i have 2 partion "/" and "/home") is there necessary to format al lof them ?
[07:25] <stdin> combo: no, you need to upgrade to edgy then feisty
[07:26] <combo> stdin: but - can i format "/" partition and then try to install FEISTY ?
[07:26] <combo> stdin: is there no other way ?:(
[07:27] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: Easisest is probably a clean install of Feisty... And most painless...
[07:27] <stdin> combo: you can just install fresh if you want, tho that's not an "upgrade" that's just an install
[07:27] <stdin> combo: just remember to do manual partitioning and not to format /home
[07:27] <combo> stdin: and then i'll have to install EVERYTHING again? :}
[07:27] <yaccin> i have serious network-problems with gutsy :(
[07:28] <MilhousePunkRock> yaccin: #ubuntu+1
[07:28] <manchicken_> stdin: Could you take a look at bug #133857 and see if you can confirm on your i386?
[07:28] <yaccin> thx
[07:28] <manchicken_> Ack, sorry, wrong chan...
[07:28] <MilhousePunkRock> combo: You could try upgrading manually, of course, basically it will work
[07:28] <stdin> combo: run "dpkg --get-selections > packages.list" then you can quickly reinstall them
[07:29] <combo> stdin: GREAT idea:D:D
[07:29] <combo> stdin: thx ;)
[07:30] <BetaTester> Does anybody know if I can print a file directly via OpenOffice i.e. "oowriter --print myprinter somefile"  ?
[07:30] <MilhousePunkRock> BetaTester: Isn't there even a right click option?
[07:30] <BetaTester> MilhousePunkRock I need that to be done from Konsole
[07:31] <NickPresta> BetaTester, `man oowriter`. /-p/
[07:31] <NickPresta> actually /-pt
[07:32] <BetaTester> Thank you NickPresta I am too tired I guess... :(
[07:33] <MilhousePunkRock> BetaTester: I imagine there should be a way to have an odf converted to postscript/ghostscript/whatever your printer likes on the shell...
[07:33] <BetaTester> MilhousePunkRock I print RTF (MS created)
[07:38] <Sakkath> NickPresta: thanks but, the GPS wasn't tested and that's the most important thing since I use my laptop to find places ;)
[07:40] <Sakkath> NickPresta: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_GPS_/_Microsoft_GPS-360 might that help me? I'm guessing i'll still need to install Streets & Trips in wine unless I can find another program that can make use of this GPS device
[07:43] <Sakkath> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_GPS_/_Microsoft_GPS-360#Modify_USB_Serial_Driver <-- how can i do that on ubuntu
[07:43] <nicolas> hi!
[07:44] <blekos> hi, i have installed vmware running ./vmware etc
[07:44] <stdin> Sakkath: I doubt you have to, skip it
[07:44] <blekos> if i wanted uninstalled what i am supposed to do?
[07:44] <Sakkath> stdin: how else can i get the gps thing working with ubuntu? looks like i can use other gps programs, dont need ms streets & trips?
[07:45] <nicolas> i'm a newbie and I need to install a tgz file (driver for my wireless card) can tell how to? thxs
[07:45] <Sakkath> nicolas: move it to / and do tar -zxvf file.tg
[07:45] <Sakkath> tgz*
[07:46] <nicolas> ok thxs a lot, I'll try :)
[07:47] <zipper_> Sakkath, why move it to / ?
[07:47] <zipper_> that doesnt make sense
[07:48] <Sakkath> zipper_: because it unzips in cwd, not to a specific directory
[07:48] <Sakkath> so you'll probably have dirs like etc/ and bin/ or whatever
[07:48] <Sakkath> it's a pkg
[07:48] <Sakkath> if you dont want to move it
[07:48] <Sakkath> tar -zxvf file.tgz -C /
[07:49] <Sakkath> or get a tgz2deb
[07:49] <Sakkath> or something
[07:49] <zipper_> i have yet to experience a driver being installed this way
[07:49] <Sakkath> it's not a 'driver'
[07:49] <Sakkath> it's a 'tg'
[07:49] <Sakkath> 'tgz'
[07:49] <Sakkath> that's installed that way
[07:49] <zipper_> ...
[07:49] <zipper_> i know what a damn tarball is
[07:49] <Sakkath> ....
[07:49] <Sakkath> .tgz is diff than .tar.gz
[07:49] <zipper_> thank you, for that valuable lesson
[07:50] <zipper_> still doesnt make what you suggested "good practise"
[07:50] <Sakkath> well meh
[07:50] <Sakkath> the .tgz i've used
[07:50] <Sakkath> was like
[07:50] <Sakkath> etc/bleh
[07:50] <Sakkath> bin/bleh
[07:50] <Sakkath> right in cwd
[07:50] <Sakkath> not /
[07:50] <Sakkath> so i figured it had to be in / first
[07:50] <zipper_> i've used countless tgz files, never once experienced that
[07:51] <Sakkath> zipper_: then what's the difference between a .tgz and .tar.gz if i'm wrong
[07:51] <Sakkath> i've only used a few >.>
[07:51] <stdin> Sakkath: you'll have to compile a custom kernel to follow that guide
[07:51] <zipper_> Sakkath, no idea, and i dont care much to be honest. It's just different ways of compressing data
[07:51] <Sakkath> stdin: is there no other way to get this usb gps thing?
[07:51] <Sakkath> to work*
[07:51] <zipper_> i dont believe either is significantly better than the other
[07:51] <stdin> Sakkath: not following that guide
[07:51] <Sakkath> zipper_: i thought one was just a source tarball and one was a 'package' similar to deb and rpm
[07:52] <Sakkath> stdin: well yes, that's why i'm asking if there's another way :P
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> What's the best way to install non-free ATI drivers if the envy script just ruins the xorg.conf?
[07:52] <zipper_> Sakkath, yeah... if people would keep it that way it would be nice, but they dont seem to
[07:52] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: with the packages?
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> !ee
[07:52] <Sakkath> zipper_: both are gzipped tar archives, no?
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ee - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Sakkath> just with a changed extension
[07:52] <zipper_> Sakkath, does it matter? =P
[07:52] <Sakkath> zipper_: i suppose not
[07:53] <zipper_> i'm just not a big fan of putting anything straight into /
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: I am not asking for me this time, I have a GeForce myself... But a friend of mine that I talked into trying Kubuntu...
[07:53] <stdin> Sakkath, zipper_: .tgz is a .tar.gz, just a different extension (one that happens to be used by slackware for packages)
[07:53] <zipper_> rather extract it in ~ first, check out what the tree structure is like, and then take it from there
[07:53] <Sakkath> zipper_: so most will do app-name-here/etc/blah and app-name/bin/blah?
[07:53] <Sakkath> stdin: are the slackware packages packed such as etc/bleh bin/blah or somedir/restofstuff
[07:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: try the package first, if that fails then use the other methods
[07:54] <zipper_> Sakkath, most will do appname/installscript.sh
[07:54] <Sakkath> i see
[07:54] <Sakkath> well then
[07:54] <Sakkath> i stand corrected
[07:54] <nicolas> hum -zxvf only unpack my tgz file
[07:54] <Sakkath> yes
[07:54] <zipper_> nicolas, isnt that what you wanted?
[07:55] <Sakkath> what did it unpack to
[07:55] <Sakkath> what came out of it
[07:55] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: so that is "xorg-driver-fglrx"?
[07:55] <nicolas> 3 folders and differents files ( makefile, install...)
[07:55] <Sakkath> stdin: hopefully they followed tgz for binary and it doesn't need to be :(
[07:55] <Sakkath> nicolas: then is there a file named README or INSTALL?
[07:56] <nicolas> both yes
[07:56] <stdin> Sakkath: Makefile < looks like /me was right
[07:56] <Sakkath> read them
[07:56] <nicolas> ok
[07:56] <Sakkath> stdin: 'hopefully' but you said 'it would be nice if people kept it that way' so i was hoping so
[07:56] <Sakkath> anyways nicolas
[07:56] <Sakkath> they will tell you how to install the driver
[07:57] <Sakkath> I advise you use less
[07:57] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: linux-restricted-modules-generic and the xorg-driver-fglrx package
[07:57] <Sakkath> why is the tar option f needed
[07:57] <Sakkath> oh
[07:57] <Sakkath> err
[07:57] <Sakkath> this is just a bad example
[07:57] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Ok, I found it on the wiki too...
[07:57] <Sakkath> it's 'tar tf -'
[07:57] <Sakkath> i dont know why put f if it's just -
[07:58] <stdin> nicolas: what driver is it?
[07:59] <nicolas> for my wirelles card
[07:59] <nicolas> wireless
[07:59] <stdin> nicolas: yes, you said that. what exact driver?
[08:00] <nicolas> Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[08:01] <nicolas> the driver is call iwlwifi-1.0.0-1
[08:01] <stdin> that should already be installed...
[08:01] <venik> I am trying to access my WINDOWS disks on a kubuntu machine.  They are mounted, but when I try to access them, I am told (I HATE THAT!) that I do not have enough permissions!
[08:01] <nicolas> really?
[08:02] <venik> u htink I'd make up such a story?
[08:02] <stdin> nicolas: if you see output from "modinfo iwl3945" then yes
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> venik: You need to mount them rw
[08:02] <stdin> venik: how exactly are you mounting it?
[08:03] <venik> I used the SYstemSettings tool
[08:03] <nicolas> hum sorry how can i see it?
[08:04] <stdin> nicolas: run "modinfo iwl3945" in the terminal
[08:04] <venik> should I be editing the /etc/fstab file?
[08:04] <stdin> nicolas: you need to add some mount options, namely "fmask=111,umask=000" (the system settings interface actually does edit fatab)
[08:04] <nicolas> couldn't find module iwl3945
[08:05] <venik> /dev/sda1 /media/XP-D auto user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[08:05] <venik> /dev/sdb1 /media/XP-C auto user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[08:05] <venik> this is what the fstab file says about them, so they seem to be rw enabled
[08:06] <stdin> nicolas: hmm, it could have come out after feisty was released then
[08:06] <stdin> venik: add the options I said to it
[08:07] <venik> which options?  The fstab says rw already
[08:07] <combo> - how to make that after opening 'home folder' - it will be open not in the left upper corner - but always in right upper corner? is this possible? cuz i can't see icons after opening :] 
[08:07] <nicolas> ok so i'll try to make the source but they say i've to install a subsystem (mac80211)
[08:07] <stdin> venik:  you need to add some mount options, namely "fmask=111,umask=000"
[08:07] <venik> oh... ok
[08:08] <Sakkath> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3932 would that work with the Microsoft USB GPS device?
[08:08] <venik> do these go on the same line of the other choices?
[08:08] <stdin> nicolas: now I know you have that already
[08:09] <stdin> venik: yeah, like "/dev/sda1 /media/XP-D auto user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,fmask=111,dmask=000 0 0"
[08:09] <venik> thanks.  Do I have to reboot afterwards?
[08:09] <nicolas> ok
[08:10] <stdin> nicolas: make sure you install the packages "linux-headers-generic" and "build-essential", you'll need them
[08:11] <stdin> venik: no, just "umount  /media/XP-D ; mount  /media/XP-D" (and for  /media/XP-C)
[08:11] <nicolas> ok
[08:12] <venik> great-- it looks as if this worked
[08:12] <venik> thanks a lot!
[08:13] <Sakkath> anyway i can get the pharos GPS-500 to work?
[08:13] <Sakkath> from ms streets & trips
[08:13] <stdin> venik: if they are ntfs and you want write access, you'll need to see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:14] <nicolas> Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source'
[08:14] <nicolas> what does it mean?
[08:16] <venik> just out of curiosity, what do those geeky options do? (fmask=111, dmask=000 00)
[08:17] <stdin> venik: fmask is the "file mask", it sets the permissions for files, dmask is directory mask, it sets the permissions for directories
[08:18] <venik> thanks
[08:18] <stdin> nicolas: where did you get the download from?
[08:18] <nicolas> intel website
[08:18] <stdin> nicolas: link?
[08:19] <nicolas> close the page... i'll try to find it again
[08:21] <nicolas> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2259&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21
[08:21] <venik> another decade or two, and Linux will make sense to me!
[08:22] <Tm_T> !releases
[08:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:22] <seanpcrowe> hi =)
[08:22] <nicolas> i've find a newest v there http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/#downloads
[08:23] <jhutchins> nicolas: are you working from some sort of instructions on building this?
[08:23] <alesan> hi
[08:23] <seanpcrowe> i installed beryl and i got a beryl manager in my k-menu, but changes i make dont happen (i want eye candy) <--- has this happened to anyone before?
[08:24] <alesan> I just plugged-in a bluetooth USB adapter, do you have any idea which steps I should do to download a picture from my cellphone?
[08:24] <alesan> should I install some package?
[08:24] <jhutchins> seanpcrowe: If nobody here knows you might find help in #ubuntu-effects, that's compiz/beryl support.
[08:25] <seanpcrowe> awesome jhutchins thanks dude...
[08:25] <jhutchins> alesan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[08:25] <cloakable> alesan: install kdebluetooth, then send it from your phone to your computer
[08:25] <seanpcrowe> also, just how many channels are here???lol
[08:25] <jhutchins> seanpcrowe: Something like 20,000.
[08:25] <seanpcrowe> rofl
[08:25] <seanpcrowe> feck :o
[08:26] <stdin> nicolas: seems you need the source, not just the headers for that one
[08:26] <nicolas> ok
[08:26] <alesan> cloakable, it is already installed, shoud I manually start something?
[08:27] <genii> nicolas: You need to: sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[08:27] <nicolas> ok i try
[08:28] <sniffcrisps> p
[08:28] <genii> nicolas the ` is next to 1 key not next to enter key btw
[08:29] <venik> OK-- half the battle is won: I can read them.  When I tried to give myself write permission with the NTFS 3 utility, it grayed out the INTERNAL DRIVES
[08:29] <astan> hm. i'm in the cdrom group, my /dev/dvd points to /dev/hda, which is correct, i have libdvdcss2 from medibuntu repos installed.. but still kaffeine says "libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.". any ideas?
[08:29] <nicolas> ok thats why it did't work lol
[08:29] <venik> maybe since they are WINDOWS, it thinks of them as external?
[08:29] <astan> (this is on feisty).
[08:31] <genii> work, AFK
[08:32] <Sakkath> who knwos about the Microsoft/Pharos GPS-500 unit?
[08:34] <nicolas> ok done
[08:34] <nicolas> i try make again
[08:34] <venik> so how do I gain permission to write to the Windows drives?
[08:34] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[08:34] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:35] <venik> I have installed it, and ran the utility
[08:35] <nicolas> [nicolas@portable:~/Desktop/ipw3945-1.2.0] $make
[08:35] <nicolas> /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[08:35] <nicolas> /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[08:35] <nicolas> -e
[08:35] <nicolas>  WARNING: Your kernel contains ieee80211 symbol definitions and you
[08:35] <stdin> !paste | nicolas
[08:35] <ubotu> nicolas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <nicolas> are not using the kernel's default ieee80211 subsystem.  (Perhaps you
[08:35] <nicolas> used the out-of-tree ieee80211 subsystem's 'make install' or have
[08:35] <nicolas> provided a path to the ieee80211 subsystem via IEEE80211_INC.)
[08:36] <nicolas> If you wish to use the out-of-tree ieee80211 subsystem then it is
[08:36] <zipper_> nicolas, stop
[08:36] <zipper_> please
[08:36] <venik> but the link you mentioned expect it to say: allow permission to internal drives, and mine has that grayed out
[08:36] <nicolas> recommended to use that projects' "make patch_kernel" facility
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) and rebuild your kernel to update the Module symbol version information.
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) Failure to do this may result in build warnings and unexpected
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) behavior when running modules which rely on the ieee80211 subsystem.
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) -e  Aborting the build.  You can force the build to continue by adding:
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu)         IEEE80211_IGNORE_DUPLICATE=y
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) to your make command line.
[08:36] (nicolas/#kubuntu) make: *** [check_inc]  Erreur 1
[08:36] <zipper_> uuh
[08:36] <zipper_> that was mighty wierd
[08:36] <kulpret> !enter
[08:36] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:36] <Sakkath> ok the pl2303 driver loads teh serial to usb driver, the pharos one, that came with the microsoft/pharos gps-500 unit, but now i need drivers for the actual unit, right?
[08:36] <zipper_> i see him getting kicked, and after that he still managed to paste 5 lines or so
[08:37] <stdin> zipper_: server had to play catchup
[08:37] <nicolas> thxs, sorry...
[08:37] <stdin> nicolas: use the pastebin sire to paste large posts
[08:38] <stdin> *site
[08:38] <Sakkath> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/10/microsoft_gps_device.jpg
[08:38] <nicolas> hum how work pastbin?
[08:38] <Sakkath> http://rafb.net/paste
[08:39] <stdin> nicolas: you go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org post it there, then post the link here
[08:39] <BetaTester> stdin, Bye.
[08:39] <stdin> later BetaTester
[08:39] <venik> do the WINDOWS ntfs drives also need the fmask=111,umask=000 options?
[08:40] <venik> I can read them fine, just cannot write to them, despite using the ntfs 3g driver/tool
[08:40] <stdin> venik: you need to change the type from "auto" to "ntfs-3g", everything else should be the same
[08:40] <d0uglas> Hi. Which is the type of dsl that has up and down traffic independent of one another, meaning if i'm downloading something at full speed my upload bandwidth won't suffer? symmetric?
[08:40] <stdin> d0uglas: yep
[08:40] <nicolas> http://rafb.net/p/29PAKI26.html
[08:40] <venik> oh, ok-- that even makes a little bit of sense
[08:41] <d0uglas> thanks stdin ..
[08:42] <venik> all works now-- thanks again
[08:44] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[08:44] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[08:44] <zipper_> !helpersnack | zipper_
[08:44] <genii> stdin: I'll be on the cheering squad today since i have a nasty allergy headache
[08:44] <zipper_> mmm
[08:44] <zipper_> they taste gooood
[08:44] <zipper_> genii, thank god for antihistamines
[08:45] <stdin> who stole my cookie :(
[08:45] <genii> heh
[08:47] <genii> zipper_: I already took a dangerous amount of sudafed but it ain't making much of a dent today
[08:49] <zipper_> genii, i dont know sudafed, but i personally react very different to different antihistamines. Some simply doesnt work at all, some works a little and, for me, Citirizin removes any kind of allergic symptoms
[08:49] <nicolas> well it's late i'll try again later
[08:49] <zipper_> but then again, my allergy is very mild
[08:49] <nicolas> thxs all for your help :)
[08:49] <nicolas> bye
[08:51] <genii> I think the drastic weather changes here are making it worse than usual
[08:55] <NiKeCRu666> hello
[08:55] <NiKeCRu666> HELLO
[08:55] <NiKeCRu666> SOMEONE HERE?
[08:58] <jhutchins> Nobody here butus chickens!
[08:59] <genii> jhutchins: I generally hide from capslock anyhow ;)
[09:01] <NiKeCRu666> HELLO
[09:01] <spiroo> Now I really need alt+0124. How do I type special chars in linux?
[09:02] <stdin> !CAPS | NiKeCRu666
[09:02] <ubotu> NiKeCRu666: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[09:02] <NiKeCRu666> ok ok sorry, i did not know that i was sohuting
[09:03] <genii> NiKeCRu666: If you have some question you need help with just put it in and see if someone knows how to assist
[09:03] <spiroo> special chars any one? bot maybe? :P
[09:04] <spiroo> !special chars
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about special chars - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <NiKeCRu666> does someone know if there is kind of "winamp" for kubuntu, i mean, for set up an internet radio
[09:05] <drif> my kubuntu machine crashed and now when I'm rigging a new one I can't get putty to use -chars anymore - I solved it earlier but now nothing seems to work
[09:06] <trekdanne> NiKeCRu666: icecase perhaps
[09:07] <stdin> spiroo: w |-| ?
[09:07] <trekdanne> NiKeCRu666: *icecast
[09:07] <NiKeCRu666> uhmn, i have already used that, but it does not work like winamp
[09:07] <gdiebel> spiroo: what special characters are you looking to produce?
[09:08] <stdin> !winamp
[09:08] <ubotu> winamp is a windows music player. On Ubuntu you can use beep-media-player or xmms as alternative.
[09:08] <spiroo> alt+0124 for instance
 it does not have plug in of shoutcast like winamp
[09:08] <stdin> spiroo: and what's that then?
[09:08] <avraham> hey
[09:08] <avraham> how do i make my user to be a root ?
[09:08] <stdin> !sudo
[09:08] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:10] <avraham> nicne
[09:10] <avraham> nice
[09:10] <avraham> um
[09:10] <avraham> i have iso file in Documents folder on my desktop
[09:10] <avraham> what command do i need to write?
[09:11] <stdin> avraham: use k3b, look in KMenu -> Multimedia > K3B
[09:11] <gdiebel> it depends on what editor you are using and what charset it supports. I assume by alt+0124 you mean in the iso-8559 set, which by my table would just be the pipe character. I am not sure how that functionality in windows works
[09:12] <avraham> i want to mount it
[09:12] <avraham> not to burn it
[09:13] <stdin> !iso
[09:13] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[09:13] <stdin> avraham: ^
[09:13] <stdin> avraham: or (shameless plug) http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[09:13] <nagyv> avraham: you can also check mountiso on kde-apps
[09:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:14] <stdin> nagyv: no, mine's better :p
[09:14] <gdiebel> s/8559/8859
[09:14] <jhutchins> !kdesu | avraham
[09:14] <ubotu> avraham: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:15] <NiKeCRu666> does someone have an answer for my question?
[09:15] <jhutchins> NiKeCRu666: streamtuner?
[09:16] <jhutchins> I like some of the radio stations in amarok, and it's what i use for NPR stations.
[09:17] <NiKeCRu666> uhmn i have never used that "streamtuner" well, and a guide for setting up my radio on kubuntu?
[09:17] <NiKeCRu666> can i use shoutcast server for linux?
[09:18] <spiroo> stdin: It looks like a big i. Like this "I" but longer line
[09:18] <runlevelten> spiroo: kcharselect
[09:18] <stdin> spiroo: you mean |
[09:18] <stdin> spiroo: shift+\
[09:19] <gdiebel> spiroo: did you get my message. shift backslash on most us keyboards
[09:19] <runlevelten> also try using your right alt key as a shift, you can get some more chars from that (  etc)
[09:19] <stdin> spiroo: that's called the "pipe" character
[09:19] <spiroo> I want to use the full charset like windows does. Not type like shift and some funny char on this keyboard
[09:20] <spiroo> I want to type it everywhere, not only here :D
[09:20] <Some_Person> Why won't windows maximize? I mean they maximize, but they still are resizable. How do I fix it?
[09:20] <avraham> i prefer gnome
[09:20] <stdin> spiroo: you want "|", yes?
[09:20] <runlevelten> Don't resize them?
[09:20] <avraham> how to install the mounter tool?
[09:21] <runlevelten> in all seriousness though, there's a setting in kcontrol that can change that behaviour, Some_Person
[09:21] <spiroo> stdin: Yes, but not only that character.
[09:21] <gdiebel> spiroo: that alt+numpad trick is quite windows specific. use as runlevelten mentioned kcharselect and paste the characters you want into anything that supports cut and paste
[09:21] <spiroo> In windows you can type alt+whatever
[09:21] <stdin> avraham: download the deb "(Debian/Kubuntu Pacakge)" then right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install
[09:21] <spiroo> kcharselect? what is that more specific?
[09:22] <Some_Person> runlevelten: where?
[09:22] <stdin> !info kcharselect
[09:22] <ubotu> kcharselect: character selector for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 74 kB, installed size 340 kB
[09:23] <runlevelten> spiroo: You can bind keys to different shift levels, which is the nearest I can think of to the alt numpad thing.I believe this is done already with at least one key, as mentioned.
[09:23] <spiroo> how does kcharselect work then?
[09:24] <runlevelten> Some_Person: in kcontrol. Have a look! :D
[09:24] <Some_Person> runlevelten: where?
[09:24] <spiroo> Just the things I need does not work in Linux :D
[09:24] <runlevelten> Alt F2 kcontrol
[09:24] <saylar> hey guys
[09:24] <runlevelten> spiroo, run it and find out :)
[09:25] <saylar> i was wondering if anyone could tell me why strg+f4 is not working in firefox to close tabs?!
[09:25] <runlevelten> what's strg?
[09:25] <spiroo> I will
[09:25] <avraham> i installed the mountfile
[09:25] <saylar> oh
[09:25] <avraham> what now??
[09:25] <saylar> ctrl ;)
[09:25] <Some_Person> runlevelten: I can't find it
[09:26] <stdin> saylar: probably because that's the windows binding, try ctrl-w
[09:26] <stdin> saylar: close and reopen konqueror
[09:26] <spiroo> eh, I runned it, but does not understand what I should do
[09:26] <saylar> ha, that did it
[09:26] <saylar> thx stdin ;)
[09:26] <runlevelten> spiroo, you can use altGr and shift AltGr to get lots of chars.
[09:26] <genii> NiKeCRu666: As for the winamp internet radio broadcast idea, if there is someplace a server you just need to connect to and stream to you can use oddcast
[09:26] <saylar> really annoying.
[09:26] <stdin> saylar: then you can just right click the iso and choose Actions > mount
[09:26] <avraham> i installed the mountfile...what to do now?
[09:26] <runlevelten> kcharselect is just like windows' charmap.
[09:26] <stdin> avraham:  then you can just right click the iso and choose Actions > mount
[09:26] <stdin> saylar: sorry :P
[09:26] <saylar> no, i don't think so stdin *g*
[09:27] <saylar> ;)
[09:27] <Some_Person> runlevelten: Where in the name of KDE is it?
[09:27] <avraham> wait please
[09:27] <runlevelten> Some_Person: press alt+F2  type kcontrol
[09:28] <Some_Person> runlevelten: I know that, but where is the setting I want in kcontrol?
[09:28] <spiroo> I do not wanna have to run the program paste to clipboard and then copypaste
[09:28] <avraham> there is no "action"
[09:28] <runlevelten> Probably in Desktop  window behaviour Some_Person
[09:28] <avraham> no mount when i press right click on the file
[09:28] <runlevelten> spiroo: then learn to use the alternate shift buttons.
[09:29] <gdiebel> what character specifically do you wish to produce that is not on your keyboard? or do you just wish to use "eleet" as your password?
[09:29] <stdin> avraham: right click the ISO, Actions > mount this file
[09:29] <runlevelten> An OS-specific keybinding is an OS-specific keybinding. It's not rocket science for a smart dude like you :)
[09:30] <avraham> still...no "actions-mount this file"
[09:30] <avraham> i don't see it
[09:30] <stdin> avraham: you see the Actions menu?
[09:30] <Some_Person> runlevelten: I still don't see it
[09:30] <spiroo> runlevelten: why not copypaste windows alt+keys then?
[09:30] <runlevelten> copypaste?
[09:31] <parsnip> hey guys
[09:31] <runlevelten> Hello, parsnip.
[09:31] <spiroo> I mean, do a copy of what windows has
[09:32] <runlevelten> For the same reason nobody worked to provide support for MSBLAST.
[09:32] <parsnip> is there a way i can add my own functionality to the context menu of a particualr file type
[09:32] <runlevelten> Linux, X, KDE, none of these things is a copy of windows.
[09:32] <NiKeCRu666> genii: thank you
[09:32] <runlevelten> You don't get better than something by copying it, even if you copied it perfectly.
[09:32] <avraham> stdin no
[09:33] <runlevelten> s/copied/copy/
[09:33] <spiroo> runlevelten: Yes I know, but it is quite annoying for a programmer like me
[09:34] <stdin> avraham: nothing like http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3688/image9bd2.png ?
[09:34] <runlevelten> Why'a it annoying? You changed OS and now you can achieve the same thing a different way.
[09:34] <avraham> no...im using gnome
[09:34] <stdin> avraham: you're in the kubuntu channel
[09:35] <runlevelten> The only thing annoying you is that you're expecting a jaguar to have the same removable ashtray as a mini :)
[09:35] <runlevelten> heh
[09:35] <avraham> hoo
[09:35] <avraham> thanks
[09:35] <stdin> avraham: for gnome use the manual command "sudo mount file.iso /place/to/mount/to -o loop"
[09:35] <avraham> kde is better?
[09:35] <stdin> well, I think so
[09:35] <avraham> i have installed it
[09:35] <runlevelten> Also, have you checked you can't do it?
[09:35] <avraham> but i don't use it
[09:36] <stdin> then why install it?
[09:36] <avraham> i can't
[09:36] <avraham> umm
[09:36] <runlevelten> If it's something you have come across, a developer may have implemented it.
[09:36] <avraham> my iso file is in "Documents" on my desktop
[09:36] <avraham> what is the exactly path to munt this iso file please?
[09:36] <stdin> avraham: any empty folder
[09:36] <parsnip> runlevelten: can you help me with custom context menus at all?
[09:37] <|Dylan|> morning, all.  i have a quick question: how to i enable dma for my optical drive?  k3b says i can run 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc' as root for a temporary fix, but i dont know what to do to permanently enable it.
[09:37] <avraham> it must be empty?
[09:37] <avraham> please what is the exactly ptah?
[09:37] <runlevelten> wot, adding stuff to the menus in konqy?
[09:37] <stdin> avraham: it can be ANY empty folder
[09:38] <runlevelten> parsnip: ^
[09:38] <parsnip> runlevelten: yeah, I wanna make a menu so I can right click an mp3 -> set artist / title / track name etc] 
[09:38] <stdin> avraham: and it should be empty
[09:38] <gdiebel> spiroo: as you are a programmer, I would be interested to know what characters you need to produce with such frequency, that using a simple tool like kcharselect or the third level chooser will not suffice. Perhaps your keyboard map is a rather strange one that is unfamiliar to English users
[09:39] <avraham> ok i think ill use kde
[09:39] <avraham> umm
[09:39] <avraham> but when i started using it
[09:39] <runlevelten> parsnip: well first, you need to work out what program you will use to do the tag editing.
[09:39] <avraham> "my computer" didn't appear
[09:39] <avraham> on my desktop
[09:39] <parsnip> runlevelten: id3tag :)
[09:39] <avraham> and where is my C driver?
[09:40] <stdin> avraham: it's on the panel, and there is no "C" drive in linux
[09:40] <parsnip> runlevelten: just allows easier tagging with id3tag rather than having to use command line
[09:40] <avraham> i have beryl in gnome now
[09:40] <avraham> umm
[09:40] <spiroo> gdiebel: yea I have sweidsh keyboard first of all. Then I need to do those i:s and sometimes copyright char for instance. A lot more else.
[09:40] <avraham> can i move this to kde?
[09:40] <stdin> avraham: partitions are mounted to directories under the root dir /
[09:40] <avraham> i mean i need to do something?
[09:40] <stdin> avraham: yes, beryl should work find in kde
[09:41] <avraham> ok
[09:41] <Assid> kumusta!
[09:41] <avraham> thanks
[09:41] <avraham> im moving to kde
[09:41] <spiroo> runlevelten: I did not change OS to get an error producing computer :D
[09:41] <avraham> let's talk after it's installed
[09:41] <avraham> thanks
[09:41] <avraham> bye
[09:41] <Assid> error producing computer?
[09:41] <runlevelten> There is no error in what you have described.
[09:42] <runlevelten> You've been presented with at least two ways of producing the results you want. You reject them because they aren't exactly the same as in windows.
[09:42] <spiroo> runlevelten: I meant over all, not just this ;P
[09:42] <runlevelten> That's not an error!!!
[09:42] <spiroo> I was Ironic about the errors :D
[09:42] <runlevelten> heh
[09:42] <Assid> runlevelten: just curious.. whatd he want?
[09:42] <Opencan> How can I edit a file with administrator permition set? (/etc/ppp/pap-secrets)
[09:43] <spiroo> I do not reject the solutions, I do not think they are suitable when I programming. And not very comfortable either. But I guess I have to get used with it.
[09:43] <Opencan> It sais I can't edit it with my currect permitions
[09:43] <runlevelten> spiroo: do some rooting around. I bet you can get the effects you want with some settings changes, or a very small program.
[09:44] <azmd> opencan: sudo is your friend
[09:44] <Opencan> azmd: that much i know, but how do I use it?
[09:44] <runlevelten> spiroo: well people never program using linux and x, so that's probably why it's the way it is.
[09:44] <stdin> spiroo: on the swedish layout it should be altgr with the button with < and > on it
[09:44] <azmd> sudo <command>
[09:44] <parsnip> Opencan: sudo kwrite <file> (for example) just use sudo
[09:44] <Assid> man i really need to start coding
[09:44] <Opencan> thanks :)
[09:44] <Assid> runlevelten: people dont code on X ??
[09:44] <stdin> Opencan: use kdesu
[09:44] <azmd> opencan: you're welcome :)
[09:44] <runlevelten> Assid: quite.
[09:44] <stdin> Opencan: not sudo
[09:45] <spiroo> stdin: thank you
[09:45] <parsnip> stdin: whats the difference?
[09:45] <spiroo> runlevelten: yes I guess I could find something interesting
[09:45] <stdin> !kdesu | parsnip
[09:45] <ubotu> parsnip: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:45] <Assid> i just assembled a core2quad for a friend of mine
[09:45] <Assid> nice machine.
[09:45] <parsnip> stdin: cheers
[09:46] <runlevelten> Also, it's a windows feature, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was already in Gnome.
[09:46] <runlevelten> heh
[09:46] <runlevelten> ;P
[09:46] <spiroo> runlevelten: haha okay
[09:47] <runlevelten> spiroo: does alt numpad work in kword?
[09:47] <spiroo> kword?
[09:48] <spiroo> shall test
[09:48] <bill32> Are slow DNS lookups normal (4-5 sec) if not, how can I improve the speed?
[09:48] <runlevelten> I'm seeing alt+numpad working in it to some extent
[09:49] <stdin> !ipv6 | bill32
[09:49] <ubotu> bill32: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:49] <stdin> bill32: it's probably that ^
[09:49] <bill32> stdin, turned that off
[09:50] <japaya> hi stdin, you've helped me with some issues lately but now I'm having the same problem, due to a crash I've lost the command line to fix it :p
[09:50] <spiroo> runlevelten: Hmm in the application, or is it possible to just have it in the background and typing in other apps?
[09:50] <japaya> I'm not able to read from my external harddrive as user, but I'm able to mount it when I go administrator mode
[09:50] <japaya> does anyone know a permanent solution to solve this problem?
[09:50] <runlevelten> well in the application would be a start if you're determined to try and reproduce that effect
[09:51] <spiroo> uhm it is a document handler program?
[09:51] <bill32> stdin, will try it again, maybe i missed something,thanks
[09:51] <stdin> japaya: how are you mounting it again?
[09:52] <genii> japaya: make a directory on the drive whic is owned by that user you want to have access. Or  chown everything there to that user. also for them to mount it you need option  user  in the fstab for that drive
[09:52] <japaya> it's /dev/hda5/ mounted as /media/exthdd1
[09:52] <spiroo> runlevelten, how should I use kword?
[09:53] <stdin> japaya: post the line that shows when yo do "mount | grep hda5"
[09:53] <japaya> I've mounted it via the "Disk & Filesystems"
[09:53] <japaya> can't I just chown the whole drive to myself?
[09:54] <opencan_> I've been trying to follow a guide to install internet on my Kubuntu computer and got stuck at this line:
[09:54] <opencan_> NIC driver (eth0\1\2...) configured to get the IP & DNS info from DHCP! (that is usually done in GUI or network config files - location depends on distribution).
[09:54] <opencan_> how can I get\do that?
[09:55] <stdin> opencan_: system settings > network settings
[09:56] <stdin> japaya: you haven't told me what type the partition is or the line i asked for
[09:56] <genii> japaya: Since the /dev/<device> will never ever be able to be owned by other than root the short answer is no
[09:56] <bill32> surfing is fast its just the DNS  lookup that is slow
[09:57] <japaya> stdin: It's an NTFS partition if you mean that
[09:57] <genii> japaya: The nearest you could do is chown wherever it is mounted to eg: sudo chown username:username /media/exthdd1      or similar if you want that specific user to have exclusive rights to the drive
[09:57] <stdin> japaya: and how are you mounting it?
[09:57] <genii> Ah, NTFS on top
[09:57] <stdin> japaya: fstab or manually ?
[09:58] <Some_Person> What email client comes with "kubuntu-desktop"?
[09:58] <genii> stdin: Thru "Disk and Filesystems" he said earlier
[09:58] <stdin> Some_Person: kamil
[09:59] <japaya> stdin: I go to "System settings" there I search for "Disk & Filesystems" and there I'm able to edit/mount my harddrives
[09:59] <japaya> and there I've mounted my harddrive
[10:00] <stdin> japaya: have you chosen the type as "ntfs" or "ntfs-3g" ?
[10:01] <japaya> type is at auto
[10:01] <japaya> oh I see now
[10:03] <Assid> stdin: is there a way to default ntfs-3g for every automount etc ?
[10:04] <japaya> stdin: I've found it, thanks for putting me on the right track : D
[10:04] <raylu> what do you mean "every automount"?
[10:04] <stdin> Assid: put it in fstab
[10:04] <rpedro> ntfs-3g comes by default with ubuntu now?
[10:05] <rpedro> that is ntfs rw support, correct?
[10:05] <raylu> not in feisty
[10:05] <NiKeCRu666> !comands
[10:05] <stdin> rpedro: it will in gutsy
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comands - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <NiKeCRu666> !execute
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about execute - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <raylu> NiKeCRu666, what do you want?
[10:05] <rpedro> nice
[10:05] <NiKeCRu666> please the comand for execute an aplication in the console
[10:06] <easytiger_home> NiKeCRu666: huh?
[10:06] <fkm> ./app_name
[10:06] <raylu> er...you just type the name of the application
[10:06] <stdin> Assid: you can install "ntfs-config" and run "kdesu ntfs-config" to do it too
[10:06] <NiKeCRu666> than you
[10:06] <easytiger_home> 
[10:06] <raylu> o.0?
[10:06] <fkm> Heheh.. That problem with the applications takes me back :D
[10:07] <jhutchins> Assid: Once you've installed 3g it will use the 3g driver every time, it's just a matter of what how fstab tells it to mount.
[10:07] <raylu> gah! how do i enable last message sent in konversation (where you can press up to get the last message you typed)?
[10:08] <jhutchins> raylu: Dunno, it works that way by default here.
[10:08] <raylu> yeah; i must have killed it somehow
[10:08] <Assid> i think i have 3g installed.. ntfs-config doesnt work.. hold on
[10:09] <jhutchins> raylu: Shift key stuck?  What does it do?
[10:09] <stdin> raylu: you have to turn off the "input box expands..." thing
[10:09] <jhutchins> ahh.
[10:09] <Assid> turf off?
[10:10] <Assid> how do i turn it on?
[10:10] <raylu> o.0, thanks
[10:10] <kimo9909> I hear a lot of things about Gnome...more than I do about KDE.  Is gnome better than KDE?
[10:10] <raylu> i wish i could have both :(
[10:10] <jhutchins> kimo9909: It's different.
[10:10] <jhutchins> raylu: You can.
[10:10] <raylu> eh? how?
[10:10] <stdin> kimo9909: depends on the person
[10:10] <kimo9909> So it is based on preference rather than function?
[10:10] <jhutchins> kimo9909: I think for a lot of people KDE just works, so there's not a lot of talk.
[10:11] <jhutchins> kimo9909: Really, yeah.
[10:11] <raylu> Assid, settings > configure konversation > behavior > general > [bottom] 
[10:11] <jhutchins> kimo9909: Gnome has a philosophy to simplify the user experience, make things user friendly even at the expense of function.
[10:11] <kimo9909> Does gnome give any power features that KDE doesn't?
[10:11] <Assid> raylu:  ? what ???
[10:11] <raylu> kimo9909, if it ever comes down to it, the cli does everything :D
[10:11] <Assid> i was referting to the ntfs-config
[10:11] <raylu> Assid, to turn "input box expands" on
[10:11] <raylu> oh....
[10:11] <raylu> lol =\
[10:11] <stdin> kimo9909: no, quite the opposite
[10:11] <jhutchins> kimo9909: KDE has always been less that way, and has responded to the Gnome philosophy by trying NOT to cut function for ease of use.
[10:11] <lorenz_> how , this chat not speak french ?
[10:12] <stdin> !fr | lorenz_
[10:12] <ubotu> lorenz_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:12] <kimo9909> Thank you all for the response.  I personally like KDE better but I am new to Linux.
[10:12] <jhutchins> raylu: True, the console is the ultimate power.
[10:12] <lorenz_> thz
[10:12] <lorenz_> cool
[10:12] <raylu> Assid, install the "ntfs-config" package, i think
[10:12] <kimo9909> Yeah...console is next but I need to take baby steps at the moment. :)
[10:12] <lorenz_> !fr
[10:12] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:12] <stdin> Assid: you can install "ntfs-config" and run "kdesu ntfs-config"
[10:13] <raylu> kimo9909, baby steps? psh =\ you've had plenty of time with the windows gui, i assume :P
[10:13] <stdin> lorenz_: /join #kubuntu-fr
[10:13] <kimo9909> Thank you all once again...I'll try to come back after i leave work.
[10:13] <Assid> stdin: yes i ran it.. the internal checkbox is off
[10:13] <jhutchins> Assid: installing ntfs-config should pull ntfs-3g if it's not already installed.
[10:13] <stdin> Assid: then you want it on?
[10:13] <lorenz_> ok stdin
[10:13] <Assid> yep.. i dont have an ntfs drive atm tho
[10:13] <raylu> er...then why are you worried about 3g?
[10:14] <stdin> Assid: yes you do
[10:14] <Assid> raylu: when someone brings their drive to me.. atleast it will work
[10:14] <stdin> Assid: when you installed ntfs-config you installed ntfs-3g
[10:14] <raylu> er...you plan to plug in a ntfs drive?
[10:14] <raylu> when someone brings it over to you, it'll be a flash drive; likely FAT
[10:14] <Assid> yeah i will be plugging in a ntfs drive later
[10:15] <raylu> i installed ntfs-3g without ntfs-config and i get...2...checkboxes...
[10:15] <raylu> (i installed it just now)
[10:15] <raylu> isn't there an easier way to do this?
[10:15] <Assid> i get internal checkbox as disabled.. external i can put it on
[10:15] <genii> blame M$
[10:16] <raylu> ...for a gui that ntfs devs made?
[10:16] <raylu> i meant like edit a file or use a command
[10:16] <genii> for inventing ntfs and not allowing ppl to know how the innards work to make a proper driver
[10:16] <jhutchins> raylu: I think you can just edit the fstab.
[10:25] <waylandbill> quiet here today.
[10:26] <CPrompt^> it wasn't a few minutes ago :)
[10:26] <waylandbill> :-)
[10:26] <fenix_> tem algum brasileiro na rea
[10:26] <stdin> !br
[10:26] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:27] <CPrompt^> so how does the "color" changing thing work on the text?
[10:28] <CPrompt^> er....I tend to use Chatzilla.  Think it's  then text?
[10:28] <CPrompt^> yep :)
[10:28] <CPrompt^> genii can sit and watch as CPrompt^ learns how to use irc :p
[10:28] <Karti> hi all
[10:28] <waylandbill> howdy
[10:29] <Karti> so its quiet today....... :)
[10:30] <enry> goodbye!
[10:31] <CPrompt^> has anyone had any issues with Firefox 2.0.0.6 crashing?  I have the same issue on Windows and Linux.
[10:32] <raylu> works fine foro me
[10:32] <raylu> *for
[10:32] <avraham> how can i open rar files?
[10:32] <Karti> Could I rsync from this PC to a WD Network drive, that only has an IP address?
[10:32] <stdin> !rar
[10:32] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:32] <raylu> avraham, double-clicking should open them with ark
[10:33] <avraham> doesn't work
[10:34] <CPrompt^> you might try p7zip
[10:34] <stdin> avraham: you need to install the "unrar" package
[10:34] <CPrompt^> avraham : http://sourceforge.net/projects/p7zip/
[10:35] <avraham> thanks, but how do i install it?
[10:35] <CPrompt^> avraham : go to this page : http://www.7-zip.org/download.html and get the Debian package.
[10:35] <edulix> please, does anyone use tork?
[10:35] <stdin> CPrompt^: it's in the repos
[10:36] <CPrompt^> stdin : p7zip is?  that's good to know :)
[10:36] <stdin> avraham: open adept and install "unrar" or just do "sudo apt-get install unrar"
[10:36] <stdin> avraham: that will let ark open them
[10:38] <shoehornlover> hey guys how i severyone?
[10:38] <shoehornlover> i have a problem i was wondering if someone could help me with?
[10:38] <CPrompt^> shoehornlover : don't ask to ask...just ask ;)
[10:39] <avraham> umm
[10:39] <avraham> doesn't work
[10:39] <raylu> did the install work?
[10:39] <shoehornlover> i am trying to use audacity to record some songs that i wrote on guitar but when i try to record i get feedback and i am not sure how to get rid of it
[10:39] <stdin> !doesn't work
[10:39] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[10:40] <raylu> o.0
[10:40] <raylu> that's useful ^^
[10:40] <jhutchins> shoehornlover: Move the mic, turn down the monitor volume...
[10:40] <jhutchins> shoehornlover: This is why they make electric guitars.
[10:40] <shoehornlover> i know that there was some problems recording in kubuntu and unbuntu but is there any suggestions to help with this problem?
[10:41] <jhutchins> shoehornlover: Oh, alright, click the "no feedback" button.
[10:41] <avraham> thanks
[10:41] <CPrompt^> shoehornlover : never used audacity but there is a mixer "KMixer" I think.  Check the settings there and see if the levels are too high
[10:41] <crumplehornedsno> aw =\
[10:42] <avraham> how do i open the rar now?
[10:42] <raylu> avraham, double-click it
[10:42] <CPrompt^> avraham : or right click and find teh "Ark" option
[10:42] <avraham> works!
[10:42] <avraham> thanks a lot
[10:43] <raylu> ...
[10:43] <doug_> hey, if i have a java machine installed for internet, how do i access it to run compiled java files i have?
[10:43] <raylu> a java machine installed for internet?
[10:43] <doug_> or do i need a separate java package?
[10:44] <raylu> do you mean a server with some class files?
[10:44] <raylu> or a machine running jvm with internet access?
[10:44] <doug_> raylu: like i use java for online games and such but i have a class file i made in a programming class that i want to run, how do i run it in konsole?
[10:45] <shoehornlover_> hello?
[10:45] <shoehornlover_> is anyone in here?
[10:45] <raylu> shoehornlover_, your connection borked :P
[10:45] <stdin> doug_: have you installed the java jre?
[10:45] <jhutchins> He's back!  Quick, hide!
[10:45] <raylu> doug_, the java "for online games" you're referring to are just applets; if your class file isn't intended to be an applet, you just need jre like stdin said
[10:45] <doug_> stdin: i have java installed for firefox, i think that's jre
[10:46] <shoehornlover_> yeah connection messed up
[10:46] <stdin> doug_: "java -jar filename.jar"
[10:46] <shoehornlover_> did the questions i was asking even go through
[10:47] <doug_> i have a .java file and a .class file
[10:47] <raylu> java classfilenamewithoutthedotclassextension
[10:48] <stdin> actually "java clas classfilenamewithoutthedotclassextension" :p
[10:48] <raylu> er...but that's not needed/implied
[10:48] <stdin> "man java" makes for some good reading
[10:48] <CPrompt^> shoehornlover : here was my response.   "never used audacity but there is a mixer "KMixer" I think. Check the settings there and see if the levels are too high"
[10:48] <doug_> stdin: raylu: it lists packages for me to install when i do that
[10:49] <raylu> install one :D i recommend sun-java6-jre
[10:49] <doug_> raylu: it only lists j2re1.4 i thought i had the sun jre already where would it be located?
[10:50] <stdin> doug_:  install "sun-java6-jre" then do "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to select the sun version#
[10:51] <doug_> stdin: to check to see if i have java already, where would i look for it?
[10:51] <raylu> doug_, "which java"
[10:51] <doug_> stdin: novell groupwise uses java to and i remember installing something with java to make it run
[10:51] <raylu> but it won't come up with anything
[10:51] <stdin> doug_: if "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" says it's installed then it is
[10:52] <doug_> stdin: it's already installed
[10:52] <stdin> doug_:  then do "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to select the sun version
[10:53] <chris_> how do I add repositories to Adept?
[10:53] <doug_> stdin: thank you very much
[10:53] <stdin> chris_: in adept File > Manage Repositories
[10:54] <chris_> Yes, I know that much.  But I want to install Firefox, and it seems to live in a repository with a name I do not know
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> um
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's in main
[10:54] <raylu> then...wouldn't the question be "which repository is firefox in?"
[10:55] <raylu> and yeah; you shouldn't have to add it
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's in the default repo
[10:55] <chris_> yes, that would be a good way to phrase the question
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> :)
[10:55] <doug_> stdin: so i need the jdk in order to compile java files, right?
[10:56] <raylu> yes
[10:56] <doug_> raylu: thanks
[10:56] <stdin> chris_: make sure the main sources are enabled, in the 1st tab
[10:56] <chris_> somehow, it seems to be missing from the default repository on my system...
[10:56] <chris_> let me see
[10:57] <chris_> can u be a bit more specific?
[10:58] <avraham> how can i install ati driver
[10:58] <avraham> in order to have 3d effects
[10:58] <avraham> ?
[10:58] <chris_> I find no such thing as MAIN SOURCES
[10:58] <raylu> !ati | avraham
[10:59] <ubotu> avraham: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:59] <stdin> chris_: in File > Manage Repositories, on the 1st tab called "Kubuntu Software" just make sure all the boxes are checked
[10:59] <ref> I created a ubuntu 4 Gb live DVD using bootcdwrite, it was booting ok, but got stuck with this last 4 lines: http://paste.milk-it.net/573 and i have no clue of what they mean
[11:00] <dga> what package do i need to install for Amarok to play FLAC?
[11:00] <raylu> !flac
[11:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> should be supported out of the box, since flac is an open spec
[11:02] <dga> yeah, it's not supported though
[11:02] <avraham> the orginal ati driver
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> ref: if i knew anything about making live cds, i'd be right there on your side, but i'm clueless
[11:02] <avraham> not linux based driver
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's linux, you don't have a choice but to use a linux driver
[11:02] <stdin> avraham: huwanow?
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're talking about the proprietary driver, then...
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ati
[11:03] <opencan_> I've been trying to follow a guide to install internet on my Kubuntu computer and got stuck at this line:
[11:03] <ref> Daisuke_Laptop: dont you know what could have caused that PCI interrupt???
[11:03] <opencan_> NIC driver (eth0\1\2...) configured to get the IP & DNS info from DHCP! (that is usually done in GUI or network config files - location depends on distribution).
[11:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:03] <chris_> somehow, many programs are not available: krusader, alien, etc.
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> ref: no idea
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> hey Daisuke_Laptop, why don't you write a review for that laptop over at notebookreview.com?
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> chris_: those aren't part of a default install
[11:03] <opencan_> and someone in here told me to look in system setting -> network connection
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: i'm thinking about it
[11:03] <opencan_> but what do i do there?
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: good publicity.
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> opencan_: alright.. I look into it.
[11:04] <opencan_> thanks nosredmaekim :)
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm going to wait until tonight though
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> going to go pick up a digital camera
[11:05] <chris_> stdin: all the boxes ARE checked, but many programs I am used to are not here
[11:05] <_Shade_> how can i share my internet connection among my lan?
[11:05] <stdin> chris_: were they before?
[11:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jen's going to need it for her geology labs, and I just want one handy for concerts and such so I don't have to use my cameraphone then get disappointed when i find out that "4x zoom" takes 1/4 frame pictures and enlarges them on the phone's screen :(
[11:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> chris_: update.
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> opencan_: alright go into network settings and click on your interface, and click configure interface
[11:06] <opencan_> its grayed out
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> opencan_: make sure it says "automatic" and the option is dhcp
[11:07] <opencan_> i got nothing i can access in there
[11:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> hoping i can get jbuilder running under wine (or a native version, that would be awesome, though too much to hope for) because i *really* don't want to install windows.
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> opencan_: you have to go into amin mode
[11:07] <raylu> opencan_, pick administrator mode
[11:07] <opencan_> how do i do that?
[11:07] <NiKeCRu666> hello, if i have downloaded a file with extension ".conf" and I want to open in the console, what can i do?
[11:07] <raylu> opencan_, it should be at the bottom right
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah.... you need nice pics for a review :)
[11:08] <raylu> NiKeCRu666, "nano filename.conf" or "kate filename.conf" ...but why do you want to open it in the console anyway?
[11:08] <opencan_> oh, found
[11:08] <stdin> NiKeCRu666: it's probably a text file, "less file.conf"
[11:08] <NiKeCRu666> it's sv_conf.conf
[11:08] <opencan_> its set to automatic, thats all needed?
[11:08] <stdin> yep
[11:08] <opencan_> thanks :)
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> opencan_: yeah... it should automatically get your DNS from your router.
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> if your router is set up to give you the DNS
[11:09] <NiKeCRu666> thank you
[11:10] <ref> what is parport0 ?? it seems like /dev/parport0, but what is that?
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> ok
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> bah
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> parallel port maybe.
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> school's using jbuilder 2005
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can get 2007 for linux
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> but can't find 2005 for linux.  it figures.  The Man is trying to keep us down!
[11:11] <NiKeCRu666> sorry, "nano" or "kate" is for edit the file
[11:11] <NiKeCRu666> i need to execute the file in the console
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> NiKeCRu666: make sure it's chmodded +x and use ./filename
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: go listen to some rock! brong the Man down!
[11:12] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[11:12] <NiKeCRu666> thank you bye bye
[11:17] <magicalmoose> hey
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> hello
[11:19] <ref> ok, i am getting somewhere.    GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169. a cpu has only 16 IRCs, right?! Why are they so strangely numbered? and what is GSI?
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> "grandly silly interrupt"
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> geo-synchronous idiocy
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> "good solid interupt"
[11:22] <opencan> I feel so stupid not being able to follow a simple 3 staged guide -_- (http://nvcables.sourceforge.net/)
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> groovy spaced-out indigo
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> opencan: you are putting the cable line directly into your computer? or do you have a modem in between.
[11:24] <opencan> I got a modem
[11:25] <opencan> It worked at the exact same configuration on Windows
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: heh... manchicken gave up on Dell and got himself a system76
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> opencan if you have a modem, it should be automatic.
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> aww
[11:25] <opencan> well . . .
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> but the dells are so *CUTE*
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> opencan: is your modem/ router configured to send your the DNS?
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> and functional and snappy as well
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah..
[11:25] <opencan> you talk chinese to me :X
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: I would have just stuck it out and waited
[11:26] <parsnip> hey guys. I'm using this http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html to make a service menu
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> looking back, i could probably have gone with 1gb ram and a slower processor, increased my battery life a bit
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> parsnip: yeah.
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: frequency scaling...
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> but right now this thing's technically more powerful than my desktop machine
[11:26] <opencan> I got a simple modem from my cable company, no clue how to config anything about it
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: i have yet to figure out how to do that.
[11:26] <parsnip> Is there any way to get a service menu to pop up a data entry box to put an extra parameter in?
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: well, you can put it into powersave mode.
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> i booted into kde and there was a frequency scaling applet
[11:27] <daftman> hi
[11:27] <stdin> parsnip: look into kdialog
[11:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> but yeah, i'm using gnome right now
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> opencan: your cable company support linux ;)
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: TRAITOR!!!
[11:27] <daftman> does anyone experience unclean shutdown from kubuntu?
[11:27] <opencan> it is
[11:27] <parsnip> stdin: cheers man, will check
[11:28] <opencan> there's only one cable company in Israel :X
[11:28] <raylu> daftman, describe "unclean?"
[11:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> and gnome's power management applet is woefully lacking
[11:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> raylu: leprosy, scabies, that sort of thing
[11:28] <opencan> and the ISP does support linux, they have a linux support group but their never available
[11:28] <daftman> raylu: unclean means that the file system wasn't unmounted cleanly
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> opencan: can you email them?
[11:28] <stdin> parsnip: something like "kdialog --inputbox "Artist Name"
[11:28] <opencan> no. they work by phone.
[11:28] <daftman> raylu: it force fsck to be run at the start up
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> opencan: or don't run...
[11:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> opencan: that means they're pretending to have a linux support group :)
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> *work
[11:29] <opencan> they gave me this site : http://nvcables.sourceforge.net/
[11:29] <raylu> oh...hrm, no idea. it's not the periodic fsck though, is it?
[11:29] <parsnip> stdin: thats exactly what i need
[11:29] <parsnip> cheers dude
[11:29] <opencan> no, they do, they just call in bad times
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> opencan: the phone suport did?
[11:29] <daftman> raylu: no it's not.
[11:29] <stdin> parsnip: :)
[11:29] <e104> hola
[11:29] <opencan> the linux support group, on the phone
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> opencan: thats all they told you? cheap.
[11:30] <daftman> raylu: at boot up it said file system wasn't cleanly unmounted and there was a bunch of inode errors
[11:30] <opencan> well, i'll bet my underwear its a one-man group, yet...
[11:30] <opencan> no, they wanted to help, but i wasn't home
[11:31] <antoine_> hello
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> opencan: oh..ok. hmm I can't really understand those directions either :X
[11:31] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> hello evrybody that just joined :)
[11:31] <opencan> can you guess what they ment?
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> opencan: yeah.. but the syntax is ambiguous... a smaple file would do a lot of good
[11:32] <opencan> yeah, so does a fresh tomato to me cheese with olives
[11:32] <dga> how come Amarok cannot play FLAC files? when i open them, they automatically open in Amarok only to say there is no such decoder...
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> !flac
[11:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> dga: I think you need to install the flac package
[11:34] <dga> tried it, didn't work.. from what i gather it has something to do with libxine.
[11:34] <avraham> hello
[11:34] <opencan> why the heck do they make it so annoying to install the very basic thing, internet?!
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> dga: yeah probably..
[11:34] <avraham> how do i update my ati driver card?
[11:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm not real fond of this, it's fluctuating wildly between 800mhz and 2ghz
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> opencan: who.... ubuntu?
[11:35] <avraham> i have kubuntu
[11:35] <avraham> how do i update my ati driver card?
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: you're not in powersave mode then.
[11:35] <raylu> !ati | avraham
[11:35] <ubotu> avraham: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:35] <opencan> kubuntu, my ISP, my cable company, god
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> avar: your driver or your card?
[11:35] <stdin> dga: installed "libxine-extracodecs" ?
[11:35] <avraham> my driver
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> avraham: why, is it not working?
[11:36] <dga> stdin: yeah, that worked. thanks!
[11:37] <opencan> i'll dig in a bit of more ways to connect to my ISP and will send them here to see if they will be of any help
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> avraham: to install an updated version of fglrx is rather hard, and there are no new features or improvements. So unless your card doesn't work, its not worth it
[11:38] <yeniklasorr> stdin : how to check how many cpu is using ?
[11:38] <avraham> um
[11:38] <avraham> i don't have 3d acceleration
[11:38] <avraham> this is the problem
[11:38] <avraham> i have ati control panel
[11:38] <avraham> but
[11:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> had to install cpufrequtils
[11:38] <avraham> when i run fifa 2007 with wine
[11:38] <avraham> it doesn;t work
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> avraham: did you change your driver to fglrx?
[11:38] <avraham> i mean
[11:38] <avraham> it's all black
[11:38] <avraham> what do you mean?
[11:39] <stdin> yeniklasorr: KMenu  Settings  KInfoCenter
[11:39] <avraham> and why?
[11:39] <yeniklasorr> stdin : with konsole
[11:39] <tazgodx_> whats a good FTP server for kubuntu?
[11:39] <avraham> why to change to fglrx ? i only want to run games
[11:39] <opencan> i've got these scripts that didn't work on Kubuntu, but I've heard they do well with Ubuntu: http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> avraham: try running "fg_glxgears
[11:39] <stdin> yeniklasorr: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:39] <avraham> how?
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> whoops "fgl_glxgears"
[11:40] <avraham> just to write this??
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> in a terminal, yes
[11:40] <yeniklasorr> stdin : cpu usage
[11:40] <doug_> has anyone used dellfand?
[11:40] <stdin> yeniklasorr: top
[11:40] <avraham> fgl_glxgears
[11:40] <avraham> ops
[11:40] <avraham> wait
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> avraham: in a terminal, or in a run dialog.
[11:40] <yeniklasorr> oh right
[11:40] <avraham> Major opcode of failed request:  142 (GLX)
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> avraham: it doesn't pop up a windows with a cube with gears?
[11:42] <yeniklasorr> stdin : my ssh server using old "wget" how can I install on it a latest "wget".
[11:42] <avraham> it disappear after a sec
[11:42] <stdin> yeniklasorr: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wget
[11:43] <BlueDevil> can I force a specific package version using adept so adept updater doesn't tell me there's an update?
[11:43] <stdin> nope, not with adept
[11:44] <BlueDevil> interesting; are they still developing it?
[11:44] <kulpret> You can by editing a file.  Then adept or apt-get update will ignore the updates.
[11:44] <BlueDevil> kulpret: please elaborate
[11:44] <kulpret> Hang on, I'm looking up the file name.
[11:44] <stdin> BlueDevil: well it's quite new, it was made for kubuntu to use
[11:44] <yeniklasorr> stdin : I'm not an administrator. it is dreamhost.com's hosting. isn't it possible to compile something to my local?
[11:45] <BlueDevil> dpkg --set-selections doesn't work
[11:45] <drif> how do I get s.m.a.r.t support for sata-drive?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> avraham: ah ok... most likely you don't have the driver enabled.
[11:46] <stdin> yeniklasorr: possibly, but you'd have to make sure they have the right versions of libssl and libc6 installed
[11:46] <stdin> yeniklasorr: and a C compiler
[11:46] <yeniklasorr> stdin : they have gcc
[11:47] <avraham> so
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> avraham: system settings-> monitor and settings
[11:47] <avraham> how can i enable it?
[11:47] <avraham> ok
[11:47] <avraham> what than?
[11:47] <marc> is thErE a channEl for LinuxMCE? I know it runs on Kubuntu
[11:47] <avraham> then
[11:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> err..  problem with the e key?
[11:48] <mneptok> marc: your 'e' key seems unhappy
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> avraham:  in there there should be a tab , which when clicked shouws a list of devices and screems
[11:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> "shows a list of devices and screams"
[11:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> i like that
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> lol
[11:48] <avraham> yes
[11:48] <avraham> um
[11:48] <avraham> hardware :)
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> and you'd think I didn't even have a spell checker.
[11:48] <marc> mneptok: lol for somE rEason lowEr casE E doEs not work in Xchat
[11:48] <marc> mneptok: can't figurE it out
[11:48] <avraham> graphics card-ati
[11:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> marc: konversation :P
[11:49] <avraham> driver: lgfrx - something like that
[11:49] <mneptok> marc: i think you mean "mnEptok"
[11:49] <marc> lol ya sorry
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> avraham: driver is fglrx eh?
[11:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> tab completion shouldn't hurt that
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> avraham: odd.
[11:49] <avraham> yes. this is the name of the driver
[11:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> eff-glurks
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> avraham: hmmm could you pastebin the results of "glxinfo"?
[11:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> the only feasible way of pronouncing that i've found
[11:50] <avraham> how please?
[11:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste | avraham
[11:50] <ubotu> avraham: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:51] <avraham> ok
[11:52] <avraham> wait
[11:52] <avraham> here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34568/
[11:54] <aaroncampbell> On my last few updates with adept, I got a warning saying that changes couldn't be committed, even though it seems they were (it shows no packages available for update).  What might be causing this?  I wonder if it's related to the fact that I install Eclipse, but it doesn't work.
[11:54] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way for me to see what the cause was?
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> avraham: pastebin the results of this command " cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> no DRI enabled...
[11:54] <avraham> wait
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: no... its trickier than that on ATI's..
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: you have to disable composite extention for DRI to work.
[11:55] <avraham> here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34571/
[11:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: just making mental notes, didn't say he should enable it :D
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> :)
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> avraham: ok, you need to add something to that config file, open it up with "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:56] <avraham> wait
[11:57] <avraham> im in
[11:57] <avraham> what's now?
[11:57] <avraham> what now?*
[11:57] <fkm> I had the same problem some days ago
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> avraham: you are in the config wile for the x server
[11:58] <fkm> You have to... kinda merge the two "Device" sections you have there
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> *file
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> fkm: hmm yeah.. didn't see that.
[11:58] <avraham> ok
[11:58] <avraham> so
[11:58] <avraham> what do i need to add?
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> fkm: OTOH, mine has that too.
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> fkm: nope.. the problem is with his composite extension
[11:59] <fkm> I deleted the following lines: 111, 113, 114,115, 116
[11:59] <fkm> kk
[11:59] <kulpret> BlueDevil Check out section 3.10 of this link.... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> add this at the end of the file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34572/
[11:59] <fkm> But if he leaves the xorg.conf like this the ati driver will be used. As far as I know
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> fkm: it says he is using the fglrx one right now...
[11:59] <kulpret> it tells you how to pin a package to a specific version.  I have done this in the past when using a backport version of a package that was in the universe repository
[11:59] <fkm> Weird
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> fkm: yeah... I don't know why they do that anyway.
[12:00] <avraham> not to remove something?
[12:00] <fkm> Seems not :)
[12:00] <avraham> just to add it?
[12:00] <BlueDevil> kulpret: thanks
[12:00] <BlueDevil> will try
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> avraham: no.. just add those three lines
[12:00] <avraham> ok. file was saved
[12:01] <avraham> what do i need to do now?/
[12:01] <frank_> aaroncampbell: i've got the same problem. if i try to do it via apt-get in a terminal i sometime get: couldn't get lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock - used by another process or something... but i i wasn't able to figure out what process that would be...
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> avraham: could you pastebin that file again? so I can make sure it all looks good?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> what's the command for setting the cpufrequency governor ?
[12:02] <deadly_tux> hello, does anybody know how i can get the WEP key from a wireless connection? i lost mine at home;... I have Kubuntu Feisty running...
[12:02] <avraham> ok. thanks a lot
[12:02] <avraham> wait a minute
[12:02] <aaroncampbell> frank_: I usually get that if I've forgot that adept was open.  In the case of a power outage once, the process file stayed there, and I had to delete it...but that's not what this is doing
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh great..... umm lett me get that for you
[12:03] <drbeams> hi, i am having a problem with a broadcom driver.
[12:03] <avraham> here.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34574/
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: echo powersave >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[12:03] <drbeams> !pastebin
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[12:03] <drbeams> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34575/
[12:03] <BlueDevil> kulpret: it worked
[12:04] <BlueDevil> kulpret: thanks a lot
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> avraham: put a space between the new section you just added and the one that was there previously..
[12:04] <drbeams> is there a way to force aptitude to unconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[12:04] <kulpret> no problem BlueDevil
[12:05] <avraham> this is ok? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34576/
[12:05] <sanzanri1> why do kde and gnome use to different trash bins?
[12:07] <yeniklasorr> stdin you here ?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, that's an interesting command but I want to set the cpufreq governor to "performance" since the transcoding of video is so slow ...i had it set for performance in the previous version of kubuntu
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> avraham: great, ok, log out. and then press "ctrl+alt+bckspce". now if that doesn't work and drops you to a console... log in and do "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"  andget rid of those last 3 lines
[12:08] <avraham> nosrendanekim http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34576/ - this is ok?
[12:08] <avraham> umm
[12:08] <avraham> ok
[12:08] <avraham> wait please
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: swap powersave for performance
[12:08] <BluesKaj> ok, thx
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: and if you want dynamic make it "userspace"
[12:09] <drbeams> how do i force aptitude to remove configuration for a package, or "clean up"
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: also,you can get kpoersave which provides a nice GUI
[12:11] <avraham> "andget rid of those last 3 lines" - didnnt understand you man
[12:11] <avraham> hoooooooo
[12:11] <avraham> rid
[12:11] <avraham> i thought grid
[12:11] <avraham> lol
[12:12] <avraham> ok wait  please
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> avraham: back space, remove.
[12:12] <avraham> yeah yeah
[12:12] <avraham> thanks man. just a sec
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:12] <avraham> no need to restart x server or something?
[12:12] <danya> have anyone installed a sony ericsson pc suite ??
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> avraham: thats what :ctrl+alt+bckspce" does :)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I had to use sudo su to get permission but I managed to change the cpufreq to "performance" as you suggested ...set at 2gighz now ..Thanks :)
[12:13] <avraham> lol ok...
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: yeah.. forgot about that... you need full SU proveldges
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> *privileges
[12:14] <BluesKaj> kernel settings , I imagine ?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: IDK.. you can modprobe things with sudo.
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> just kinda odd.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> anyway i saved the cmnd in my lil 'black book' :)
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:19] <parsnip> hey all
[12:19] <parsnip> stdin: i thikn i got it down
[12:19] <parsnip> stdin: but its not showing when i right click mp3s
[12:20] <parsnip> Can anyone help with servicemenus
[12:21] <tazgodx_> whats a good FTP server for kubuntu?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh... avraham hasn't returned
[12:32] <happytiger> tazgodx_: www.glftpd.com