[12:51] <lifeless> kiko-afk: ping
[12:58] <Amaranth> looks like the 'Priority: Optional' bug in the PPAs wasn't actually fixed, anyone remember the bug number?
[01:50] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know where Joey went off to?
[02:06] <thumper> LaserJock: yeah, ISP problems
[02:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:32] <mayeco> mpt: hey
[02:32] <mayeco> mpt: easy....
[02:32] <mayeco> :D
[02:33] <mpt> hmm?
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #133776 in malone "Mail notifications are using project's display name instead of target name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133776
[07:57] <lifeless> reviewer meeting in 3 minutes
[08:01] <thumper> here
[08:04] <jamesh> hi
[08:05] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[08:05] <lifeless> is BjornT on leave now ?
[08:06] <BjornT> hi
[08:06] <lifeless> hi :)
[08:06] <lifeless> sorry for the slight delay, I was showing Martin the door
[08:06] <jamesh> is it a nice door?
[08:06] <lifeless> it is
[08:07] <lifeless> I'll ring spiv 
[08:07] <lifeless> done
[08:07] <spiv> Hi.
[08:07] <spiv> lifeless: thanks
[08:07] <lifeless> np, I live to nag
[08:08] <lifeless> or is it nag to live
[08:08] <lifeless> next meeting, 28th same time ?
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Discouraging huge branches (barry)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Notes to reviewers inside code, e.g. "REVIEWER: I'll file a bug for this after approval" or "REVIEWER: This code didn't match that comment before, but with this change it does." (jtv)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Graduations and new recruits (barry)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Spiv staying as reviewer (lifeless)
[08:10] <lifeless> I'll take that as a yes.
[08:10] <thumper> I was waiting for the rollcall
[08:10] <thumper> yes to the 28th
[08:10] <lifeless> roll call happened, you guys said hi :)
[08:11] <lifeless>  == queue status ==
[08:11] <lifeless> 13 open reviews
[08:11] <jamesh> half are assigned to stub
[08:11] <lifeless> 9 over the target
[08:11] <lifeless> I suck most. (sorry curtis)
[08:11] <thumper> I'm in communication with ddaa, mwh and stub about code import db patches
[08:12] <lifeless> thumper: are they actually in 'needs review' though?
[08:12] <lifeless> or are they 'bounced and discussion about how to get them back in' ?
[08:12] <thumper> lifeless: they are in response to bounce,
[08:12] <thumper> lifeless: but I think they still need work
[08:13] <lifeless> Then I think they should not be shown as unreviewed; this is a failing of our system at the moment, its too black and white
[08:13] <lifeless> sometimes things become multiple peoples responsibility; as these have.
[08:13] <thumper> true
[08:13] <thumper> it is kind of db review though, getting them right
[08:14] <lifeless> it is
[08:14] <thumper> it is a weird state
[08:14] <lifeless> but its not a back and forth clearly partitioned thing like most reviews, from what I can tell
[08:14] <thumper> not right now, now
[08:14] <lifeless> its more pre-implementation design call stuff, being done at the end :)
[08:14] <lifeless> anyhow, you are taking responsibility for sheparding them
[08:14] <thumper> yep
[08:15] <lifeless> If you are sure that work needs to be done, I think they should come out of the queue
[08:15] <thumper> ok, I'll move them after the meeting
[08:16] <lifeless> one sec, I'll minute the guts of this
[08:16] <lifeless> put them back to w-i-p I think
[08:16] <thumper> yep
[10:07] <thekorn> hi all, where is the right place to report a bug in https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net
[10:09] <thekorn> the "filter"-box on pages like https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is not working
[10:30] <BjornT> thekorn: please file them at https://launchpad.net/malone/+filebug
[10:30] <thekorn> BjornT: ok, will do thanks
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #133807 in malone "Filters-portlet on staging.launchpad.net is not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133807
[11:14] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Hi, I'm just trying to improve the translator credits in KDE apps...
[11:15] <danilos> Kuhrscher: hi Jannick
[11:15] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Could you tell me how you made it to leave one mail adress empty?
[11:15] <danilos> Kuhrscher: can it actually be done in KDE?
[11:15] <Kuhrscher> danilos: not is beautiful as in gnome but  better than now ;-)
[11:17] <danilos> well, I used KDE documentation to see how it's done, and it says that one just needs to leave an empty text between commas... i.e. if it would otherwise be "someone@mail.com,blah@foo.bar,ha@hehe.com", it can also be "someone@mail.com,,ha@hehe.com"
[11:18] <Kuhrscher> mpt: If there is one single point... ;-)
[11:18] <jordi> danilos: dude I didn't see you at GUADEC!
[11:18] <danilos> jordi: next time, try coming :)
[11:19] <jordi> WOA! so that's how you did it!
[11:21] <danilos> Kuhrscher: the thing is, with GNOME, we have a free-form text field... with KDE, we've got a comma separated list of names and corresponding comma separated list of emails... if you've got any suggestions on how to improve either, feel free to say so
[11:23] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I'm just making a screenshot
[11:34] <Kuhrscher> danilos: http://www.kuhr.org/translatorcredits.jpg
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> danilos: It's far away from being perfect, but I thinks it's better than the current version...
[11:36] <danilos> Kuhrscher: can you do that without patching KDE? if not, we'll have to change this in Ubuntu kdelibs package as well...
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> Just, with commas etc ;-)
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr, , Launchpad contributions:, Jannick Kuhr, Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr, Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr
[11:37] <Kuhrscher> patrick.trettenbrein@kdemail.net, jakuhr-linux@gmx.de,,, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr, https://launchpad.net/~trettenbrein, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr, https://launchpad.net/~trettenbrein, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr
[11:38] <Kuhrscher> We use ", ," to get a line break befor the "Launchpad contribs"
[11:39] <Kuhrscher> "Lauchpad contributions" as the first Launchpad translator and no mail adress for him ;-)
[11:39] <Kuhrscher> danilos: And instead of mail adresses for the launchpad users their accounts as in the Gnome credits.
[11:41] <danilos> Kuhrscher: ah, ok, that's some serious hacking into the KDE style support... the thing is, I didn't really have too much experience with KDE, so thanks for the tips on how it actually works in KDE programs :)
[11:42] <Kuhrscher> danilos: You should use KDE ;-)
[11:42] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Could you implement the credits like this?
[11:42] <danilos> Kuhrscher: sure thing, I am filing a bug right now :)
[11:43] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Great :)
[11:43] <danilos> Kuhrscher: but still, GNOME is so much better... you can also email me at danilo@gnome.org, but I am not biased at all :P
[11:44] <Kuhrscher> danilos: KDE is so much better, should even see it if you are biased :P
[11:44] <Kuhrscher> ;-)
[11:46] <danilos> Kuhrscher: right... this bug is getting a low priority... no, I'll have to add an "almost no" priority value just for KDE stuff :P
[11:47] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I'll go out to the world and tell everybody how mean these Gnome guys are ;-)
[11:56] <danilos> Kuhrscher: fyi, bug #133817 (and I'll close it as 'Invalid' later :P)
[11:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[11:57] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Ok, thanks ;-)
[12:02] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I attached the screenshot and the lines from my ktorrent.po file as an example. How long will you need to implement it like this?
[12:03] <danilos> Kuhrscher: it should be pretty simple, but it can't land before the end of next month since we are now on a monthly release cycle, and this is not a "critical" bug...
[12:05] <Kuhrscher> danilos: If it lands before the release of gutsy, it's enough ;-)
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817
[12:06] <danilos> Kuhrscher: yeah, it should be ready before Gutsy :)
[12:06] <Kuhrscher> Fine :)
[12:06] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Ok, see you later.
[12:07] <danilos> Kuhrscher: cheers
[03:12] <cprov> superm1: ping
[03:43] <superm1> hey cprov 
[03:45] <cprov> superm1: hi, I was performing some maintenance tasks in PPA-beta and wanted to warn you it would be down for a couple of minutes. It's done already.
[03:45] <superm1> ah that's okay.  thanks for the warning
[05:55] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search a bug watch lik https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs ?
[05:57] <kiko> bdmurray, the list? not currently, though there are some bugwatch-related options in the regular advanced search.
[05:59] <bdmurray> kiko: right, like show bugs that are open upstream?
[06:00] <kiko> yes
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #133880 in launchpad "https should use the squid proxy rather than relying on firewall holes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133880
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #133884 in soyuz "lpia arch missing from cron.germinate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133884
[07:06] <iwj> OK.  I give up.  Where is https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc nowadays ?
[07:07] <iwj> And how was I /supposed/ to find it ?
[07:07] <iwj> Oh, Google gives me   https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail#head-e035168556bfe139472202a2228dd2eeb8e8de65
[07:08] <iwj> Uh.
[07:08] <iwj> OK, my next question then is, since it's not answered there:
[07:08] <iwj> How can I target a bug to a milestone at submission time via the email interface ?
[07:10] <mwhudson> iwj: that page is linked to from the front page of help.launchpad.net
[07:10] <mwhudson> don't know the answer to the second question though
[07:10] <iwj> Oh, so it is.
[07:10] <iwj> Duh.
[07:11] <iwj> I've become so used to everything in LP being at the edges that I don't look at the middles of pages any more.
[07:14] <mwhudson> i don't think there is a way to affect milestones from email
[07:14] <iwj> Hmm.
[07:15] <iwj> I see the email interface doc talks about `importance' which is `priority' nowadays.
[07:16] <mwhudson> i'm not reading the doc, i'm reading the source :)
[07:16] <iwj> *snort*
[07:16] <iwj> So is it `importance' or `priority' ? :-)
[07:16] <mwhudson> importance
[07:16] <mwhudson> if you try to use priority it looks like you'll get a message telling you to use importance instead
[07:19] <mwhudson> iwj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/54389
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54389 in malone "Implement a milestone command in the email interface" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[07:20] <iwj> Ah.
[07:22] <mwhudson> it seems like the sort of bug that will get implemented if people clamour for it
[07:22] <mwhudson> i doubt it's very hard (speaking as someone looking at this code for the very first time)
[07:33] <Amaranth> did the PPA builders crash or something?
[07:34] <Amaranth> some of my uploads have been in the queue for 22 hours now
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #133897 in launchpad "There is 1 error." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133897
[08:48] <zul> uh this looks weird https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gobby
[09:03] <mdke> SteveA: around?
[09:18] <cprov> zul: Hi, it's a known problem (if it helps), I've just filled a specific bug to get it fixed during the next cycle (https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/133908)
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133908 in soyuz "Distroseries package pages are confusing (and broken)" [Low,Confirmed]  
[09:19] <zul> cprov: thanks
[09:20] <cprov> zul: have I covered all your points in the bug description ?
[09:21] <zul> yep
[09:24] <SteveA> mdke: yep, will be for a couple of hours
[09:25] <Amaranth> cprov: is there something wrong with the PPA system?
[09:25] <Amaranth> also, the 'Priority: Optional' bug apparently wasn't fixed
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #133908 in soyuz "Distroseries package pages are confusing (and broken)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133908
[09:26] <Amaranth> was hoping i'd just need to upload a new package to get it fixed but i can't do that because they won't build
[09:26] <cprov> Amaranth: some cycles are being skipped to test the new release features
[09:27] <cprov> Amaranth: do you have any package in queue ?
[09:27] <Amaranth> lots of them :)
[09:27] <Amaranth> was updating my compiz 'backport'
[09:28] <Amaranth> and some of them have to wait for others to build before they'll work
[09:28] <cprov> Amaranth: uhm, the queue is empty.
[09:28] <Amaranth> eep
[09:29] <cprov> Amaranth: builders are running normally
[09:29] <cprov> Amaranth: let me check your archive
[09:30] <Amaranth> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~amaranth/+archive/+build/350727
[09:33] <cprov> Amaranth: are you sure your archive indexes are not being cached (launchpad@mawson:/srv/launchpad.net/ppa/amaranth/ubuntu/dists$ grep 'Priority: Optional' -r * -> returns nothing)
[09:36] <cprov> Amaranth: builders are just *busy*  (specially the i386) with the language-pack tsunami. Catching up on other packages, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/+history
[09:36] <Amaranth> cprov: i don't actually use my repo but the users of it tell me they still get constant upgrade announcements for compiz-core
[09:38] <Amaranth> cprov: wow, all of those builds are missing debhelper or cdbs
[09:40] <cprov> Amaranth: that's due to the tests we are doing.  Don't worry, the world is not falling apart (not yet) 
[09:40] <kiko> heh
[09:44] <cprov> Amaranth: look who has showed up -> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/
[09:44] <Amaranth> wow so apparently 1105 isn't my position in the queue :)
[09:47] <cprov> Amaranth: aha, no, that's the "build score", it's like "priority".
[09:48] <Amaranth> so it's a meaningless number? :)
[09:49] <cprov> Amaranth: no, highest score will be processed/built first (as I said, free-running priority level)
[09:49] <Amaranth> ah, so that's why the number went up as i waited
[09:51] <cprov> Amaranth: yes, exactly, it gets increased by being waiting in queue for a long time (this way we ensure the old jobs will get processed even in a very busy period)
[09:54] <Amaranth> so what is needed on the client side to fix the Optional thing?
[09:54] <Amaranth> delete /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin?
[09:55] <cprov> Amaranth: refresh the indexes (u-m does it automatically as they have changed remotely, AFAIK)
[09:55] <Amaranth> just apt-get update?
[09:56] <cprov> Amaranth: yup (but that's what u-m does every morning, anyway)
[09:57] <Amaranth> then that's not fixing it
[09:57] <Amaranth> hrm
[09:57] <Amaranth> maybe this upload of compiz will fix it
[09:57] <Amaranth> because the index will have never had that bug for the new version
[09:58] <cprov> Amaranth: the index doesn't have this problem right now. What is the package/suite ?
[09:58] <Amaranth> it's the compiz source package, compiz-core binary
[09:58] <cprov> http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:59] <Amaranth> definitely fixed there :)
[09:59] <cprov> Amaranth:
[09:59] <cprov> ...
[09:59] <cprov> Package: compiz-core
[09:59] <cprov> Priority: optional
[09:59] <cprov> ...
[09:59] <cprov> Amaranth: yup
[10:02] <Amaranth> this is really confusing
[10:02] <Amaranth> not even getting rid of the cache fixed it :/
[10:07] <MFen> is there any way to add more rich formatting to my project's "details" page?
[10:08] <MFen> the only thing i can get out of it is that feature that changes urls to links, which is nice
[10:08] <MFen> but i'd like bulleted lists and em/strong and stuff.
[10:13] <kiko> not right now, but it's planned
[10:13] <kiko> we want to have a markup for those fields, indeed
[10:16] <cprov> Amaranth: maybe asking for help in #ubuntu-devel ?
[10:43] <LaserJock> Rinchen: ping
[10:43] <Rinchen> LaserJock, pong
[10:45] <LaserJock> is there a way to see all the projects in the launchpad project group?
[10:45] <kiko> LaserJock, launchpad.net/~launchpad-project ?
[10:46] <LaserJock> heh, nifty, that's an OOPS
[10:46] <kiko> oh, 404
[10:46] <kiko> LaserJock, launchpad.net/launchpad-project ?
[10:47] <LaserJock> yep, sorry, I should have translated ;-)
[10:47] <LaserJock> ok, cool, that does have the list
[10:47] <LaserJock> I'm trying to look over milestones but there's so many LP projects I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
[10:52] <LaserJock> does the "Deleting branches basics" spec mean we *can* delete branches? or does further work need to be done for it to actually work
[10:54] <effie_jayx> LaserJock,  you mentioned a classmate PC earlier?
[10:55] <Rinchen> launchpad-suite
[10:55] <Rinchen> LaserJock, ^^
[10:55] <BjornT> LaserJock: it will be possible to delete branches (that have no subscribers)
[10:56] <LaserJock> BjornT: cool
[10:56] <MFen> kiko: thanks for responding, didn't see it until now. :)
[10:59] <BjornT> LaserJock: btw, if you want to look at lp milestones, you could look at https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestones. that includes the specs/bugs from all lp projects
[10:59] <MFen> another thing that would be *really* nice is the ability to use that Code tab for something besides bzr branches
[11:00] <MFen> i mean, i understand you don't want to support every vcs under the sun, but i'd like to be able to just add some basic info there about where to get my vcs and the source code of the stuff
[11:01] <LaserJock> BjornT: excellent, thanks
[11:05] <LaserJock> is there a spec for PPA? I don't see one for the 1.1.8 milestone
[11:06] <LaserJock> also, has any "help" actually been written for that help tab on the left side? every time I open it it says no help is available :-)
[11:06] <kiko> MFen, you're welcome
[11:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you don't need help :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hehe, I know otherwise
[11:07] <LaserJock> serious help