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Instabinim running compiz fusion and when i try to run glxgears my xserver crashes01:25
Picithen dont run glxgears01:28
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alex_mayorgaare some of the buttons not working on a "gazillion" button mouse considered a bug worth filling?01:33
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Kousotuanyone know a good flash editor?02:04
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AhadielYou know how in Gutsy + Desktop Effects, when you bring a window into focus (above others), the other windows kinda "move off the screen" then come back?02:59
AhadielWhat animation is that?02:59
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Arwendunno, desktop effects don't work here03:00
Ahadiel=/03:00
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DanaGOh, that animation is "dodge".03:10
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miturburuhi all03:13
miturburuthere are a couple of packages that were left broken after the dist-upgrade03:15
DanaGHmm, I just tried the beta LiveCD of SimplyMepis 7.0... and I see no reason to even bother installing it in a VM.03:15
miturburuwhen I try to reinstall it or reconfigure it, dpkg complains about error code 1003:15
miturburuanyone knows how to fix that03:15
Arwentry just removing the packages03:16
miturburuit's bloking anything that has to do with apt or dpkg, that means I can't update or nothing03:16
miturburuArwen: ye, try removing tzdata it goes with half of the system03:16
Arwenhmm03:16
Arwendoes apt-get install -f help?03:17
miturburuarwen: sorry i wasn't that much, but apt was scaring me, I have to type S, haga lo que le digo! to go on, anything that requieres so much typing should be important03:19
miturburuarwen: will try with forcing apt03:20
Arwenwait wait..03:20
Arwenpastebin.03:20
miturburuhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3/03:21
DanaGIt's unsafe to force removal of major things.03:21
Arwenyeah03:21
miturburuthat's what tzdata wan't to take03:21
DanaGIt's slightly less unsafe to force installation of things.03:21
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DanaGI wonder how safe it is to dpkg force-depends-remove tzdata....03:22
Arweneh, that doesn't look good. What's the full output when you try to force upgrading tzdata?03:22
DanaGI once made the mistake of force-removing libc6.  Boy, did I feel stupid immediately after that.03:22
Arwenlol03:22
Arwenactually, judging from the paste, it doesn't look like that big a deal. Long as it reinstalls cleanly afterward.03:23
miturburulol03:23
miturburuarwen: that's what I think, those are a buch of locale data03:23
DanaGWait, don't use apt to purge it.03:24
miturburubecause I can't03:24
miturburuit's blocking apt03:24
DanaGIf you're absolutely sure it's safe to remove, you can dpkg --force-depends --purge it.03:24
DanaGand then apt-get -f install03:24
DanaG(though I recommend aptitude over apt-get.)03:24
miturburuaptitude always wants to take a lot of thing away03:25
miturburuonce I run it and take the whole gnome03:25
DanaGWell, always check what it thinks it should do.03:26
DanaGJust like any power tool.03:26
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miturburuI will remove it with the whole thing, I'll tel you later03:28
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AnRkeyhow do i install update-manager 0.59.23 from proposed?03:31
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miturburuamazing I didn't end on tty1 :)03:36
miturburuI'm downloading the locale support now03:36
AnRkey?03:37
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miturburuAnRkey: I've just removed a bunch of locales, but apt was scaring me03:40
AnRkeyic03:41
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dariuskaneEvening folks..... who know about encrypted drives lvm and the boot and init process flow :)04:24
RAOFOOoh, complex :)04:26
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dariuskaneHeh ya well its my curse... doing strange things with linux :)04:26
RAOFYou could see how Debian does it, they support that out of the installer.04:27
RAOFIt *is* possible with Ubuntu, though.04:27
nosrednaekimactually.. its not init any more! its upstart04:27
RAOFBut upstart is still in sysv-compat-mode, so...04:27
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Arwenit all looks the same to me :-\04:28
RAOFThat's because it is, at the moment :)04:28
dariuskaneok well heres my setup atm....fiesty just wont do it... I know gutsy isnt ready for release yet but it might do what I need04:28
nosrednaekimah ok04:28
dariuskaneI have 2 drives.... a 100mb /boot unencrypted partiton... the rest of both drives both encrypted using LUKS and the cryptsetup tools...04:29
dariuskaneunder that encryoption is 1 large LVM volume... split into 5 partitions....04:29
dariuskaneeverything works great.. drives can be unlocked and used and the lvm group is all great.. I can manually mount everything just fine04:30
dariuskanemy trouble is during boot04:30
dariuskaneit prompt for the passphrase and immediately tries to mount the LVM group before unlocking the second drive and hence fail miserably since it doesnt have the second half04:31
RAOFYou need to make sure that unlocking the PV is the first thin04:31
RAOFOooh.04:31
RAOFBah, that key is far too close to keys I use :(04:31
RAOFHm.  It's possible that this isn't actuall covered by the current setup.04:32
dariuskaneso does gutsy upstart flow any different then feisty?04:32
RAOFNot really, although there has been some work in the cryptsetup front.04:32
dariuskanelol RAOF wouldnt be the first time I've run into the "isnt covered in this setup" problem04:32
RAOFSo it might work.04:32
dariuskanemy other option is to create the LVM group first and then encrypt the partition inside it... but that would leave me with 5 or more passphrases to enter instead of 204:33
RAOFYeah, suboptimal.04:34
dariuskaneand besides.. having the LVM covered by encryption would make this tougher in breaking the encryption since partitons couldnt be readily identified04:34
RAOFIt should be possible to make LVM wait for all the PVs to be available.04:34
RAOFI'm just totally ignorant as to how to do it04:35
dariuskaneIve been using slackware for the last 1..2..3.. wait cant count that high....so I dont quite understand how the init and boot is happening04:36
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DanaGWoah, some folders have huge-mongous arrow icons on them.04:37
RAOFShould be the same sort of system, surely.  SysV init is pretty ubiquitous, right?04:37
DanaGWhat happened to the nice, unobtrusive, old arrow?04:37
dariuskaneI hear the package management has improved quite abit in gutsy regarding dependancies and removing nonessential packages04:37
dariuskaneRAOF, ya it is... cept before I started this pet project I hadnt rebooted my slackware server in 2 years :)04:38
RAOFYes.  Ubuntu-desktop now Recommends rather than Depends on a whole bunch of stuff, meaning you can safely remove quite a lot of the default system.04:38
DanaGSomething is grabbing my 'del' key and breaking it.04:40
DanaGHow can I tell what app is doing that?04:40
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miturburuhi all05:04
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wfarranyone getting any mess like this?05:04
wfarrsh.distrib: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied05:04
miturburudoes the glx module installs _with_ nvidia driver?05:04
RAOFWow, that's awesome.05:04
wfarrRAOF, I thought so too05:05
wfarrI reinstalled Dash to no avail05:05
miturburuwfarr: tryied reconfiguring bash?05:05
wfarrmiturburu, according to dpkg, dash owns /bin/sh05:05
RAOFYup, it does.05:06
miturburu:P05:06
Arwendash is part of bash though, isn't it?05:06
RAOFNo05:06
miturburuit's it replacement05:06
miturburuanother interpreter, AFAIK05:06
ArwenI thought it was just a subset of bash (same code)05:06
wfarrso yeah, I get that message on any sh code05:06
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wfarrbe it an autogen, configure, or what-have-you05:07
Arwenum, what are the permissions on /bin/dash ?05:07
Arwenshould be 75505:07
wfarr-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   80308 2007-07-29 23:15 dash05:08
wfarrlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 2007-08-20 23:03 sh -> dash05:08
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miturburuI never managed to read -rwxr-xr-x :(05:08
Arwenhmm05:08
Arwentry just typing "dash"05:09
wfarrI get my lovely "$" and blinking cursor05:09
Arwenok... that 's really weird05:09
Arwen(you can exit out of it now if you want)05:10
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jkimball4In network-manager-openvpn, is anyone finding that the cipher list is empty? For me, it's been empty for some months, thus I can't connect to my corporate VPN with the nm-applet front-end; I must use the openvpn cli client.05:11
wfarr$ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr05:12
wfarrbash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied05:12
wfarryeah it really doesn't like me05:12
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wfarrwoah05:14
wfarrI tried running "sh configure"05:14
wfarrand it spat out an error about my C compiler... even though I've got all my build-deps05:14
wfarr:S05:14
Arwenit work?05:14
wfarrNo.05:14
wfarrchecking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.05:15
wfarrIf you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.05:15
Arwenweird05:15
wfarrWhich shouldn't be the case because I have all the build-deps for this package05:15
Arwendo you have build-essentail as well? packages never build-dep against it.05:15
wfarrYes05:15
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miturburuwell no matter what I do I can't get nvidia to work properly05:17
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miturburuI just installed nvidia from restricted-manager and I end up with xorg complaining about "no usable screen". I removed xorg.conf and here I am running vesa and with displayconfig-gtk not recognizing me as sudo05:24
miturburu:(05:24
miturburuthis was the geekst day of my life, thanks to all who help me fix my brand new gutsy box05:29
miturburuI will go sleep now05:30
miturburubye05:30
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DanaGHmm, I thought of one thing the Ubuntu devs could learn from that Mepis 7 beta.05:49
DanaGBoot the liveCD, and log in.  Observe how consistent the artwork is, from splash to kdm to wallpaper.05:50
DanaGUbuntu is missing that consistency, though I do like the Ubuntu artwork.05:50
ArwenUbuntu hasn't had any good artwork since they decided to drop DawnOfUbuntu in feisty...05:51
fignewfighting words05:52
Arwenit's true... the wallpapers are just blurs of different shades of brown05:53
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DanaGI found a nice wallpaper on here: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=97505:55
DanaGREALLY nice.05:55
Arwenick, widescreen05:56
fignewhardly05:56
Arwenbut you're right, those are nice05:56
fignewit's regular 4:3 too05:56
DanaGThat's the one wallpaper that finally unseated Dawn of Ubuntu.05:57
DanaGOn my desktop, I mean.05:58
DanaGArgh, conflicting terms: my desktop wallpaper on my laptop computer.05:58
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instabinI just rebooted and got a grub error 2206:04
DanaGHere's an exercise in pointlessness: running links2 with graphics and mouse (via GPM) in a TTY in a VM.06:06
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DanaGWell, if I were needing to download something to the VM, it'd be less pointless.06:06
instabinAhhh!!! it was b/c my usb hard drive was attached06:06
instabinthats dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1106:06
DanaGAnother exercise in pointlessness: hibernating the VM.06:07
Amaranthnot at all06:07
DanaGWell, I guess it's good for testing suspend, but I meant for regular use.  You're right.06:08
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ArwenMepis? and what's GPM?06:10
DanaGIt's a distro that was based off debian, then moved to being based off Ubuntu, and now is moving back to being based off Debian.06:11
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DanaGOh, and gpm is a thingy that gives you some mouse functions in console.06:11
DanaG!info gpm06:11
ubotugpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-25 (gutsy), package size 372 kB, installed size 708 kB06:12
Arwenah06:12
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xtknightgetting "bus error"s on some gnome apps like firefox and epiphany any ideas?  (gutsy x64)06:17
DanaGOh, here's a new feature the 100.14.11 drivers add for my system: hotkey display switching, though without automatic resolution changing.06:17
DanaGHere's another feature: they freeze the X server when Compiz exits.  Lovely, eh?06:18
xtknightDanaG, hehe same here06:18
xtknightbut builtin 9755s dont work for me06:18
DanaG8{3,4,5,6}00 series?06:18
xtknight7800gt06:18
DanaG(I guess there's no 3.)06:18
xtknighti cant understand why gutsy works fine in my VM but when i go to install it on my pc, hell breaks loose06:19
DanaGHah, I think the name "GeForce 8500" is funny -- it collides with Radeon 8500.06:19
DanaGAnd when NVIDIA moves to 9xxx, watch out for more naming collisions.06:19
DanaGAnd Intel's Core 2... QX6600 and such, and Quadro.06:20
PumpernickelThey'll probably rename it to 'IX'.06:20
PumpernickelOr follow the Apple lead and name it the 'iX'.06:21
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xtknightUnable to open binary database %s: %s /usr/share/command-not-found/programs.d/amd64-universe.db (22, 'Invalid argument')06:21
xtknighttype a cmd thta doesn't exist, using the last updates.  do you get this or is my pc just seriously screwed up?06:21
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Instabin!find bitstream06:33
ubotuFound: ttf-bitstream-vera, vdr-plugin-bitstreamout06:33
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Instabin!find ttf-bitstream-vera06:34
ubotuFound: ttf-bitstream-vera06:34
Instabin!find ttf06:35
ubotuFound: libfont-ttf-perl, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl-ttf2.0-dev, ttf-alee, ttf-arabeyes (and 85 others)06:35
Instabin!package06:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:35
Instabin!package bitstream06:35
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DanaGIs there any way to make scrolling smoother, like on Apple's laptops?  I just tried the touchpad on an Apple laptop, and I must say, their scrolling is nice.  However, I don't plan to abandon Ubuntu any time.06:46
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databuddysorry about all the join/parts failing kvirc - dont bother using that client with mass channels07:13
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released!
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-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken!09:05
(luckz/#ubuntu+1) SeveredCross: http://pastebin.ca/66532809:06
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SeveredCrossLooks like your device is eth3...09:11
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SeveredCross[   61.145693]  e1000: eth3: e1000_set_tso: TSO is Enabled09:11
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luckzI.. yeah, you are smart.09:13
luckzI took a while.09:13
luckznamely until I stumbled over cat /prov/net/dev09:13
luckzifup eth3 -> Ignoring unknown interface eth3=eth309:13
luckzmaybe next time I will try |grep eth rather than |grep eth009:13
Eq|lappyluckz: check /etc/network/interfaces09:14
Eq|lappyifup uses that - if there's no mention of eth3, it ain't going to come up.09:14
luckzyeah. added that there.09:14
luckzonly went up to eth2.09:14
luckzbut why is it eth3?09:14
Eq|lappyudev09:15
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Eq|lappymy guess is you've had other hardware on this install at some point?09:15
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Eq|laptopgotta run.. late for work.09:15
luckzI assume that's it.09:16
SeveredCrossI just looked for ethernet stuff in dmesg.09:16
luckzworking now :D09:19
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_buzi'm seeing this again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/50770/09:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 50770 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager "no network device found" if wired connection plugged in before starting" [Medium,Confirmed] 09:22
_buzit seemed fixed in feisty, but not it appears again09:22
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pvandewyngaerdei no longer have segfaults at startup, nice09:54
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chasetoyshelp!  what --with-cards option should i put for my AD1984 HD Audio controller .... sound card device (t61's sound card) (when compiling alsa)10:07
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dariuskaneEvening folks..... who know about encrypted drives lvm and the boot and initramfs process flow :)10:10
chasetoyscana nyone help me install alsa fro msource10:17
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puccahi everyone11:57
puccahas anyone had any problems with gutsy after running sudo apt-get update?11:57
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puccahas anyone had any problems with gutsy after running sudo apt-get update?11:58
Xemanthwhat kind of problems?11:59
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ZombieDoes the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?12:01
puccaXemanth I cant get a working desktop now12:02
Zombie Option         "metamodes" "1680x1050 +0+0; 832x624 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0; 320x240 +0+0"12:02
Eq|workpucca : just apt-get update won't change that12:02
Eq|workapt-get upgrade could, but unlikely to break things12:02
puccaXemanth everytime I try, but after the loading menu, I get a black screen12:02
Xemanthpucca: you're ubuntu or kubuntu user ?12:03
Xemanthor xubuntu12:03
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puccaEq|work yeah, I did apt-get update first, but then I did apt-get dist-upgrade, and it said that not all updates would be installed, so it said it could do a partial upgrade and install as many updates as possible12:04
puccaXemanth Ubuntu Gutsy Tribe 412:04
Xemanthi don't know about its problems, i'm kubuntu user12:04
Xemanthi haven't had problems yet12:04
Xemanthever :)12:04
puccaI can get to the recovery console though, I just dont know what to do to sortout that problem12:04
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puccaXemanth oh...ok...12:05
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puccaEq|work any suggestions?12:05
puccaanybody?lol...I'm just thinking about reinstalling it.12:06
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ionIs it possible for an Ubuntu apt repository .deb to be backdoored?12:16
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c1|freakythere are mirrors. it might be that one of them becomes hacked - u can never say for sure (my opinion)12:22
pvandewyngaerdearen't they signed ?12:23
RAOFc1|freaky: But the packages are all signed.  To actually compromise security, the Cannonical build-daemons would need to be compromised.12:23
c1|freakyoh i forgot12:23
RAOFc1|freaky: This is one reason for the "UNSIGNED PACKAGES!!!" warning you get when the keyring is out of date, or with 3rd party repos.12:24
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c1|freakyyea ;)12:24
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garuhi everyone12:48
garuI've just installed ubuntu gutsy and I got a question...I've just opened the update manager, and clicked to check for available updates...there are quite a few...but it says that not all updates can be installed so, is asking me if I want to do a partial upgrade...I finished installing gutsy now because I did a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" inmy previous gutsy installation and could no longer see a working desktop.12:50
Eq|workjust do a partial12:51
garuI'm kinda confused weather to proceed with the partial upgrade as I did before, or just close that request and click on install updates12:51
Eq|workit's because it needs to replace libmtp5 with libmtp612:51
garuEq|work isnt that gonna mess up the system again?12:51
Eq|workworked fine for me12:51
garuhumn...oki doki12:51
garuby the way...Eq|work did u manage to get compiz fusion to work?12:52
Eq|workit was working from the start.12:52
garuEq|work and all u had to do was compiz --replace?12:53
Eq|worki didn't have to do _anything_12:54
Eq|workit just worked12:54
garuEq|work i tried in two different laptops, and i just can't figure out12:54
Eq|workall i did was install12:55
Eq|workcompiz was working as soon as x was working12:55
garuEq|work some forums say that we gotta install compiz config manafer12:55
Eq|workyou don't need to install that to get it working12:56
ZombieHello?12:56
ZombieDoes the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?12:56
Eq|workwth is a meta mode?12:57
garuEq|work one of the laptops has an ati card, which has given me problems with compiz fusion before, but the other one has intel 945gm graphics...never had any problems with that laptop, specially with feisty, everything works straight away12:57
Eq|workwell, i had compiz working straight off on my own laptop, which has a radeon mobility 7500, and my work laptop, which is an intel 965gm12:58
Eq|worki didn't have to do anything at all.12:58
garuEq|work but with gutsy...once i select extra effects, it says "no nvidia hardware" :s12:58
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ZombieI tried recalculating my Modelines with GTF] 01:18
ZombieThe result hasn't changed.01:19
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ZombieEq|laptop: How familiar are you with meta Modes?01:21
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WeeJeWelim getting an error while trying to update to gutsy through the update-manager..01:37
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WeeJeWelCould someone please look at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34518/01:38
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garuhi everyone again01:40
jribWeeJeWel: what version of update-manager is that?01:41
WeeJeWelthe newest i think01:41
WeeJeWelapt didnt find any newer01:41
jribapt-cache policy update-manager01:41
WeeJeWelGenstalleerd: 1:0.59.2001:42
WeeJeWel  Kandidaat: 1:0.59.2001:42
WeeJeWelinstalled / candidate01:42
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jribyou need feisty-proposed or feisty-updates version 1:0.59.2301:42
garuEq|work yeah...I messed up the system again just by doing the partial upgrade01:42
WeeJeWelwhere to get them?01:43
garucan someone tell me if u'v had any problem doing updates with gutsy?01:43
jribWeeJeWel: enable the -proposed or -updates repo in Software Sources01:43
WeeJeWelokay, thx :)01:43
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PiciWeeJeWel: Also if you run it from the terminal again, you should use gksudo01:44
WeeJeWelwhats the difference? :)01:45
PiciWeeJeWel: gksudo properly sets up things for the graphical environment that sudo does not.  I'm actually not sure of the specifics.01:47
garuI got a problem...I installed gutsy gibbon, and then, checked for updates...the system told me it couldnt install all updates so it proposed me a partial upgrade, which would install as many updates as possible...after the partial update was done, I decided to restart the computer, only to to stuck in a black screen (didnt actually finished restarting), then...I had to turn physically shut down the computer and then turn it on, a01:47
garufter the ubuntu loading screen, "it went into a dark ocean again",black screen and nothing else, cant even login...can someone help?01:47
WeeJeWelOkay thanks01:47
WeeJeWelits updating now :))01:47
garusorry for the long lines01:47
WeeJeWeldamn01:49
WeeJeWel850MB :|01:49
WeeJeWelhow are they ever gonna put that onto a cd?01:49
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buzdo i have another chance at using filters in kmail except for using kmail 3.5.6 from feisty?02:08
buzoh wait that's kmail 1.9.6 instead of 1.9.702:08
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AhDiCt3DAnyone got any idea how to install video drivers in gutsy without it crashing?02:12
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TheInfinityAhDiCt3D: depends on graphics adapter ;)02:32
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AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: Every time i install it in gutsy it crashes but it works fine in feisty02:35
TheInfinitylook at xorg log etc02:36
XemanthAhDiCt3D: what gfx card do you have?02:36
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: I have and sent it to everyone here etc i have a Nvidia GeForce 8600MGT02:36
AhDiCt3DXemanth02:37
Xemanthi c02:37
TheInfinityAhDiCt3D: i have the same prob *g*02:38
TheInfinityand xorg crashed complete?02:38
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: Same adapter as me?02:38
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TheInfinityso that you cant access console?02:38
Xemanthi don't know about so new stuff02:38
Xemanthi'm off, workday over ->02:38
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: Yes and it cycles the OS over and over and over so im just reinstalling it02:38
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TheInfinityAhDiCt3D: great. same problem here.02:39
TheInfinityuntil now no solution.02:39
TheInfinityyou have also a MBP? :)02:39
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: Bug maybe?02:39
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: MBP?02:39
TheInfinityAhDiCt3D: nvidia says next release many bugs with 8600 willl be fixed02:39
TheInfinitymac book pro02:39
AhDiCt3DTheInfinity: Heck no i cant stand the no-right-click i got an Asus G1S Gamers laptop with new Santa Rosa stuff02:40
TheInfinityah okay ;)02:40
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TheInfinitybut same prob. hmm-02:40
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Fracturei'm running an up to date gutsy install, and when I enable desktop-effects, any hard drive IO really slows down the GUI, even stopping it for up to a second at a time.  i.e. when running apt-get update, or upgrade02:58
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butihi. i'm running gutsy. and oo won't start. any ideas?03:09
butikubuntu gutsy, that is03:09
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butisoffice starts fine.03:10
butibut as soon as i want to make a new document it hangs, with cpu 100%03:11
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Fractureany pointers on how to improve compiz's responsiveness ?03:15
Arwenturn it off :-P03:15
Fracturelol03:15
Arwenif it's not responsive for you, you probably need to fix your 3d acceleration03:15
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Fracturewell.. I really like the flicker free screen updates .. (for example switching fast using alt-tab)03:16
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Arwenok, so, explain responsiveness? other than disabling effects, there's no real way to improve your fps.03:16
Fracturewith metacity, you can see (albeit quite fast, but still flickering) the windows redraw, and it gives me a headache03:16
Arwen(and yeah, compositing anti-tear is awesome)03:17
FractureI don't actually want anything else.. just that !03:17
Fracturepersonally, I'd love to have standard metacity with anti-tear :)03:17
Arwentry that compizconfig-settings-manager03:18
Arwentry installing*03:18
Arwenand anti-tear requires 3d rendering, so I don't think you're gonna see it in metacity :-)03:18
Fractureok.. i've installed compizconfig-settings-manager03:19
Fracturenw what :)03:19
Fracturenow what :)03:19
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Arwenrun it (I haven't used compiz in a while, sorry)03:19
ArwenI think it should be under prefs somewhere03:19
Fractureok.. looks to me like a fine grained version of 'desktop-effects' :)03:19
Arwenyeah, try disabling stuff and see if it'll improve your fps03:20
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Fracturefps is fine usually.. its only when I have disk IO.  for example running : dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/tmp bs=1M count=10, while moving a window around will cause it to block the GUI for up to a second03:21
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Arwenweird, I'm not entirely sure what you can do about that03:21
ArwenI think an old edgy beta I used had issues with IO and responsiveness03:22
Fracturei've done some searching, but couldn't find anything that seemed to fix it03:22
FractureI enabled the benchmark compiz module.. and I get ~86 fps when sitting doing nothing, or draging windows around etc..  but when I run that dd command, it drops to 10 fps03:24
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PiciFracture: What are your computer's specs/03:25
Pici?03:25
FractureAMD 64, 3500+, 2 gig ram, Nvidia video card using nvidia binary driver03:26
Fracturetwo monitors, using LVM to mange multiple sata hard drives03:26
Fracturenvidia card is GeForce 6600 GT03:27
Picihm03:27
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FractureI re-ran the dd commad, using of=/dev/null and have the same issue.. so its nothing to do with the hard drive03:29
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PiciHm.. Have you tried keeping top open while you do that?03:31
FractureI have a system-monitor panel applet with CPU/mem/load panels. .. but,. when the compiz benchmark plugin is running, the CPU sits at about 90%03:32
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FractureI disabled the compiz benchmark plugin and ran some tests : both with and without compiz enabled, that dd command still uses 99% CPU03:33
butiany ideas why openoffice.org is bugging on kubuntu gutsy?03:33
Fracturewhen I say CPU I mean the system-monitor panel applet's CPU bar.  I ran top, and did the same thing : in both cases (with and without compiz) the CPU was < 1%us and > 95%sy03:36
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dandelFracture, what driver version are you using for nvidia?03:39
Fracturedandel:  nvidia-glx                                1:1.0.9631+2.6.22.2-9.803:39
Fracturedandel:  nvidia-kernel-common                      20051028+1ubuntu703:39
dandelhmm03:39
dandelwhich video card?03:40
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Fracturedandel:  GeForce 6600 GT03:40
FracturePCI express03:40
dandeltry downloading the latest driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html03:40
Fractureok03:41
FractureI may try using envy to install it ;)03:41
dandelenvy?03:41
Fracturehttp://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=10703:41
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Fracturesorry.. this url is better ; http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html03:43
dandelhmm not very good :P03:43
Fracturewell.. I dunno how else I would do it03:43
FractureI dunno how things like the driver and the restricted modules package inter-operate03:44
dandelahuh, well i use ATI though.03:44
dandeli know that supports it, at least from a screenshot.03:44
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fsckrfsckr> hey guys i have a problem with the font in my firefox.  http://fsckr.net/images/ff.jpg I have no idea why its like this.  I have tried to change the font in preferences but it doesn't help has anyone else had this type of problem?03:46
fsckrusing gutsy03:46
Arwentry deleting your firefox profile (rm -r ~/.mozilla/firefox) or just renaming it (mv ~/.mozilla/firefox backupprofile)03:47
Arwenand wow, huge icons anyone?03:48
Fracturebrb - restarting X to try new driver03:48
dandelhmm... does anyone know how to get gnash to handle flash files in firefox?03:50
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Arwenpoorly?03:51
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sidHow can I add a printer in Gutsy? In Vista it finds it right away, no user/pass and I'm printing right off the bat.03:52
Arwensys -> admin -> printers I think03:52
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Fracturedandel: nope - new driver has no change03:53
dandelsid, what type of printer?03:53
Fracturewell.. apart from increasing my normal fps to 125 !!03:54
dandel^.^ see it was worth it.03:54
Fracturelol03:54
Picisid: Did it work in Feisty?03:54
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Fracturestill, the GUI becomes unusable when doing apt-get update, or upgrade etc..03:54
Arwenstupid ATI pice of junk..03:54
FractureI mean totally unusable.. frozen03:55
dandelarwen, which video card?03:55
siddandel: A stand-alone HP Laserjet03:55
sidit's got a built in nic03:55
PiciFracture: Sounds like it could be a cpu issue.03:55
dandeloh.03:55
sidPici: I don't have Feisty03:55
Arwendandel, I just said it was a piece of ATI junk..03:55
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FracturePici: how do you mean ?  it is only when  IO happens03:55
PiciFracture: Er, nevermind, my brain isnt running on enough caffiene yet.03:56
FracturePici:  lol.. I know the feeling !03:56
dandelArwen, what model is the card... that might explain a bit.03:56
ArwenX300SE, so it probably won't get good fps even with a good driver03:56
Arwenbut really, every ATI card underperforms on Linux03:57
dandelArwen, try donating work to the open source Avivo driver.03:57
dandelhmm... it underperforms due to driver generalizations.03:57
dandelthey iron out performance on all system specifications.03:57
hyljenvidia drivers are quite performant and quite general03:58
dandelsid, the HP laserjet of yours uses UPNP for finding it... which i gotta find out how to query it.03:58
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siddandel: ok03:59
sidI go to Administration/Printing, I click on Add Printer, and it gives me a bunch of choices.03:59
dandelsid, i'm checking a package to install on your box... give me a sec.04:00
dandelshould configure the printer right away once i find it.04:00
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siddandel: Print to PDF, Windows Printer via Samba, AppSocke/HP JetDirect, Internet Printing Protocol, LPD/LPR Host or Printer, Other04:00
dandelSid, wait a sec... gotta ask you to run a single line in the command line.04:01
dandeltry this: sudo apt-get install linux-igd04:01
sidThe following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-igd: Depends: libupnp0 but it is not installable04:02
sidE: Broken packages04:02
dandelwell isn't fun... :/04:03
dandellinux-igp is meant to do make upnp aware devices work right.04:03
Arwentry installing libupnp0 and see what the problem is04:03
Picilibupnp0 doesnt look like it made it to gutsy for whatever reason04:05
Arwenah04:06
dandeli didn't expect this one 0o04:06
dandellibupnp0 is for upnp support which is plug and play over ip.04:07
Arwen(huge security risk, do *you* want someone remotely configuring your router?)04:07
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dandelArwen, that's where you use filtering.04:08
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dandelsid, install this package: libupnp204:09
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Piciafaik, ip hp printers shouldnt require anything else out of the box04:09
dandelpici, Linux-igp just needs an updated version.04:10
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butimmh. does openoffice work for you?04:16
bution gutsy?04:16
masqueradeJust opened and it loaded fine. gnome-terminal and nautilus on the other hand, aren't running correctly :)04:17
butithen i suspect it is Kubuntu-related.04:19
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butii neeed openoffice :-/04:20
Picibuti: Its a known issue.  I think you need to install gnome-openoffice for it to work, but dont quote me on that.04:21
butiPici: thanks, i'll try this04:22
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PiciI logged bug 133852 for the libupnp0 issue.  If anyone cares to add anything, feel free.04:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133852 in linux-igd "[Gutsy]  Broken dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13385204:31
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chrisjs169I just upgraded to Gutsy a few minutes ago, and fonts in Firefox/XChat (and possibly others) are a lot smaller, and text is being cut off04:37
chrisjs169eg: sen3 has quitRemote closed the connec)04:37
masqueradechrisjs169, I haven't seen that problem but I haven't restarted lately, and that might be needed to trigger it04:38
masqueradeI'm having a lovely issue in gutsy with my gnome-apps not wanting to load04:40
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masqueradegnome-terminal, gedit, nautilus04:40
butiPici: i had to apt-get remove openoffice.org-kde04:41
chrisjs169|afkmasquerade, weird - restarting XChat fixed it - I can see the full topic now :p04:41
butiseems kde-support is buggy04:41
masqueradebluefish is another :)04:41
chrisjs169|afksome fonts still look 'small' but are readable04:41
masqueradehttp://pastebin.ca/665684 <-- last bit of an strace of me trying to open gnome-terminal04:44
masqueradewould paste the whole thing but that'd take a while without having a graphical text editor where I can select the whole thing -_-04:44
pvandewyngaerdestupid cups is giving me troubles again04:45
Eq|workmasquerade : strace can output to a text file.04:45
masqueradeEq|work, I did output to a text file. The difficult part is opening that text file in something graphical where I can hit ctrl+a and send it to you ;-P04:46
Eq|workyou have a working browser?04:46
butilol04:46
Eq|workif so, just attach the file :P04:46
Eq|workor hell, use file://04:46
Eq|workit'll read text files :P04:46
Eq|workthen you can select & paste04:47
masqueradetouche :)04:47
masqueradeI'm betting that that paste has enough to diagnose the problem now though, as stracing gedit gets me in a similar place04:47
masqueradelooks like an issue with esd04:48
Eq|worki think esd isn't in gutsy.. at least not by default.04:48
masqueradeit writes NDNE to the socket for /tmp/.esd/socket and then fails to read from that socket04:48
masqueradehmm, you know, I installed ubuntustudio the other day on top of my gutsy (yes, brilliant, I know)04:49
masqueradethat might be it as esound is definitely installed here and I didn't do it by hand04:50
sidPackage libupnp0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:50
sidThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or04:50
sidis only available from another source04:50
sidE: Package libupnp0 has no installation candidate04:50
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siddandel: ok, I installed it. now what?04:51
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masqueradeand there we go, sudo apt-get remove esound and killall esd and its all running again04:52
TerraMasterHey im trying to get an external drive partisioned any help?04:52
TerraMasteror should I say mounted04:52
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TerraMasterany help?04:54
butithanks folks, bye04:55
siddandel / Pici / Arwen what should I do after I install libupnp2?04:57
Picisid: That package appears to be broken on Gutsy.04:58
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TerraMasterHey im trying to get an external drive mounted any help?05:00
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kelsa|martalliSince I upgraded to gutsy, many programs (Thunderbird, firefox, and so on) on this machine are rendering fonts to be very small.  I am suspecting that this is the result of some underlying gnome setting.  Is there a place I could look?  I looked at Appearance and default fonts, but they do not seem to help...maybe the problem is the pixel density (I am using a standard old LCD..probably 96 dpi or something like that...)05:07
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masqueradekelsa|martalli, someone else recently had that issue in here, never narrowed down what exactly it was. Did you try searching launchpad?05:08
Picikelsa|martalli: apperance->fonts->details->dpi05:08
kelsa|martalliPici:  Thanks!  That worked perfectly.  I set it at 96 and things look great - previously it was 7005:10
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TerraMasterI need to mount an external harddrive...... I dont se it when I go to use the fdisk -l command in temanal..... any help? Its a ntfs format with some windows stuff I want to run in wine05:46
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nosrednaekim!ntfs05:47
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse05:47
nosrednaekim!ntfs-3g05:47
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions05:47
Eq|workhrm.. 2.6.22-10-generic seems to be starting to appear..05:52
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stdinstarting yeah, not quite there yet tho05:57
Eq|workstdin : yeah, except they've done it backwards05:58
Eq|workthe actual kernel packages should always be uploaded BEFORE the wrapper packages are upgraded.05:58
stdinyeah, but it's more fun this way, we're all waiting in anticipation :p05:59
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TerraMasterI need help with instructions the bot gave....06:02
TerraMaster# /etc/fstab: static file system information.06:03
TerraMaster#06:03
TerraMaster# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>06:03
TerraMasterproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       006:03
TerraMaster# /dev/hda306:03
TerraMasterUUID=253f3428-ed60-4c1b-ac44-aca76931bc38 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       106:03
TerraMaster# /dev/hda106:03
TerraMasterUUID=C8B4235DB4234D6E /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       106:03
TerraMaster# /dev/hda506:03
TerraMasterUUID=2d163a1b-e661-4081-a41f-232b499e34df none            swap    sw              0       006:03
TerraMaster/dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       006:03
TerraMaster/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       006:03
finalbeta!paste06:03
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:03
TerraMasteroops XD06:03
finalbetawhat's the problem?06:04
TerraMasterhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34537/ I dont know what to edit to get my external drive to mount06:05
finalbetaYou shouldn't edit anything. the drive should mount, it it doesn't there is a problem06:06
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finalbetayou can use a gui tool like gparted to see if the drive is recognized and has partitions.06:06
TerraMasterok.....06:06
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TerraMasterdo I have gparted?06:06
Arwenprobably not06:07
TerraMasterok....06:07
finalbetaIf it's not recognised, check dmesg for any output related, and post a message on lauchpad.06:07
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TerraMasterdmesg?06:08
finalbetait's a command06:08
TerraMasterok06:08
finalbetahttp://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dmesg.htm06:09
TerraMasterI hope I dont have to partison it Ive got some stuff on it06:09
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Eq|worksudo apt-get install gparted06:13
Eq|workif you want to install parted06:13
Eq|workand if it doesn't recognise it, try it in another machine06:13
Eq|workor even in another usb port06:13
Eq|workdoes lsusb show something being plugged in?06:13
pvandewyngaerdehttp://pastebin.com/m58ca4c50  > cupsys giving me troubles06:14
TerraMasterisusb?06:16
Picilsusb06:17
finalbetalsusb >L<06:17
TerraMasterL or I06:17
TerraMasterOK!06:18
finalbetajeez06:18
TerraMasterhow do I bring it up?06:19
TerraMasterlsusb06:19
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PiciTerraMaster: I dont mean to offend, but why are you running Gutsy over the stable version?06:19
TerraMasterummm its the only one my friend had And I dont have acess to another comp06:20
finalbetapvandewyngaerde: that indicates a problem with the package. Probably because you installed something from a non official repository. But i'm just guessing on that. You should check launchpad for a bugreport, and if needed, add one.06:20
TerraMasteroh and its not decteing my drive.....06:20
pvandewyngaerdei have medibuntu reps06:20
finalbetaAdd that to the bugreport if you make one.06:21
finalbetaI can't help you with a solution, I have no idea how to trace this stuff.06:22
Linwhere can I find the new features put on gutsy?06:23
LinI mean. A file with description of changes. Something as a changelog.06:24
finalbetathis is what ubuntu will be adding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/06:24
pvandewyngaerdefinalbeta:  i removed cups, i dont need it06:24
Picifinalbeta: that should be in a factoid06:24
finalbetait will have a new gnome version 2, so check those06:24
finalbeta!help06:25
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:25
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finalbetaThis is a page for Tribe 4 http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe406:26
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Eq|workTerraMaster : so nothing shows up in lsusb ?06:30
TerraMasternope06:31
Eq|worktry another usb port06:33
TerraMasternothing but I know my usbs are working06:34
finalbetacheck dmesg, will show errors.06:35
TerraMasterI do belive my cable is to blame06:35
TerraMasterI just put it in my printer06:35
TerraMaster-________- sigh06:36
TerraMastergood thing im goin out of town today....06:36
TerraMasterthanks for you help06:36
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pvandewyngaerdemy cupsys error looks a lot like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/13001406:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130014 in cupsys "[Gutsy]  Unable to upgrade or reinstall cupsys after trying to upgrade" [Undecided,New] 06:41
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finalbetapvandewyngaerde: a little, but it's not the same.07:03
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Do``i'm hearing there is a new flash 9 plugin (namely flash 9 update 3 beta 2) that brings new codec supprt and stuff07:21
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Do``now there are confirmed bugs with the current one (9.0.0.48 or something(07:21
Do``any chance this new version fixes those?07:21
Do``http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1235201&from=rss07:21
Do``this is the new flash thingy07:22
Do``https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13121207:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131212 in flashplugin-nonfree "[gutsy]  opera slow down/crash when browsing a page with flash (non-free) content" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:22
Do``and this is the bug i'm referring to07:22
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finalbetawhere do I change options for the shut down dialog in gconf? When I press the shut down button, my session freezes, I wanna have a look in there.07:26
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yaccini have serious network troubles with kubuntu gutsy07:28
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yaccinand with ubuntu i couldnt even get it to work :(07:28
Do``like?07:31
yaccinlike getting disconnected every 30-40 seconds07:34
yaccin(with kopete + konqueror07:35
yaccini dont even get a connection with konversation07:35
yaccinand apt-get also doesnt really work07:35
Do``that doesn't sound very promising07:39
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dick-richardsonwas there a samba update recently?07:40
dick-richardsonsmbfs, more specifically07:40
yaccinDo``: jup :(07:40
yaccinand i cant even update to see if its fixed because apt doesnt work -_-07:40
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Do``dick-richardson: Setting up samba-common (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...Setting up smbclient (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...07:41
Do``today in the afternoon (couple hours ago)07:41
dick-richardsonalright. I'll just hang out07:41
Do``oh and Setting up libsmbclient (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...Setting up libsmbclient-dev (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...07:42
dick-richardsonI figured there must've been when I could connect w/my n800 but not my laptop07:42
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xtknightDoes anyone else get a "Bus error" on Gutsy amd64 (latest updates) when running Firefox?07:45
xtknighti reported a bug for this ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133786 )07:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133786 in Ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New] 07:45
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dariuskaneAfternoon folks08:46
dariuskaneAnyone up and about?08:46
Piciperhaps08:48
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dariuskanehey Pici... trying to find someone who run with encrytped partition with lvm across multiple drives.. and if gutsy handles it better then feisty08:48
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Picidariuskane: I have no idea, sorry08:49
dariuskanePici, sok havent found anyone else whos tried it yet :)08:49
dariuskanethe initramfs scripts seem to be tripping over themselves08:50
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shirishhi all, is anybody other than me having issues with kernel dependencies stuff?09:19
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shirishhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34556/ for reference09:20
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malnilionshirish, yeah they're unmarked for a reason09:30
malnilionThey're unmarked for me too09:31
shirishmalnilion: thanx, just wanted to know if somebody had been having issues or just me, now its good, maybe if i was here before would also have come to know of some bug no. somebody might have filed for it.09:32
malnilionI'm not sure if there's a bug, but I've decided based on past experiences I'm not going to try manual screwing with things unless a package is broken :)09:33
malnilionshirish, I have a feeling in my case the reason I'm not set to upgrade to them right now is related to nvidia graphics drivers.09:34
shirishmalnilion: I don't think so, i think its most probably the dependancy hell we are accustomed to, esp. when we are on the bleeding edge. I have i845 & my guess is some of the packages are still being packaged or something.09:36
malnilionRight09:36
malnilionDependencies will eventually be satisfied for it most likely :)09:36
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dariuskanecross your fingers... Im updating my HDD install from feisty to gutsy using the livecd... to support my encrypted HDDs with lvm on boot :)09:43
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dashanybody know how to turn DMA back on for my sata drives under gutsy?10:06
Arweneh?10:07
ArwenAs far as I know, SATA drives don't have DMA turned on/off, it's just always on.10:08
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Assidanyone here getting issues in adept for updating kernel image?10:09
dashArwen: oh, hrm, right.10:10
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Arwenif you really think it's off, do hdparm -Tt /dev/sdX10:10
dashmaybe what I meant to say was "hdparm doesn't get anywhere with my pata drives on my feisty box, and it doesn't do any good on my gutsy machine either" :)10:10
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shirishdash: there is a bug somewhere about PATA drives not being able to achieve full efficiency due to some kernel issue, it was there in feisty & its there in gutsy atleast to ddate10:12
shirishddate/date10:13
dashyeah, i noticed10:13
shirishdash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9669310:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 96693 in linux-source-2.6.20 "poor performance hard disk IDE" [Medium,Fix committed] 10:13
shirishdash: its just been so long, don't know when that fix committed would finally get released?10:14
Assiderr anyone here ran an adept update right now?10:15
Assidits asking to update kernel image.. but it keeps failing10:16
shirishAssid: its known issue I guess, most probably some dependency issue as far as I can tell, should take some time for things to sort out by themselves.10:18
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Assidyep.. it says it needs the image-2.6.22 or something but not available10:19
shirishAssid: most probably its in state of building, should resolve itself in another few hrs.10:21
Assidyeah10:21
shirishmeaning you should try updating the sources few hrs. later10:21
Assidhope so10:21
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Assidi;ll try it before ghoing to bed10:22
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smacintyre I just installed Ubuntu- Desktop 64 7.04. It installed with no errors but after reboot all that is displayed is 1010101010 over and over until I use the break key. any ideas?10:32
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Do``this channel is for ubuntu 7.10 and related10:34
anon32f***ing power failure10:34
Do``maybe the guys in #ubuntu would have more for you10:34
xtknightDoes anyone else get a "Bus error" on Gutsy amd64 (latest updates) when running Firefox?  i reported a bug for this ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133786 ).  Would you please comment on the bug with regards to whether or not you can reproduce it?  Thanks.10:36
smacintyrethanks10:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133786 in Ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New] 10:36
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CydeSwypehey all.  i've noticed that screelets in synaptic is what looks like a placeholder10:42
CydeSwypeis that something that's still being worked on?10:42
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nosrednaekimyeah.. probably10:42
CydeSwypecool10:42
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sepelesterAfter dist-upgrading from feisty to gutsy (amd64), the icons disappeared. I've seen this before, so I reinstalled libgdkpixbuf2 and that fixed it. Now however, and I've seen this before too, the gtk2-engines don't load, and it defaults to gtk1.2..  wrong elf-class gets loaded and I have no idea where to look anymore..  anyone?11:57
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sochi12:09
socit was anounced, that xorg 7.3 and xserver 1.4 will noit be in gutsy ...12:10
socis there any chance that they will be available via the backport repo?12:10
nosrednaekimsoc: I'm sure someone will make packages.12:11
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socah cool12:12
socthat would be nice12:12
soci fear that the avivo drivers included in gutsy won't be new enough to run my x140012:13
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nosrednaekimat worst, you can compile :)12:14
soc:-)12:14
socok, probably wouldn't be too ugly since xorg is modular12:14
socbefore that it was a pita12:15
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RAOFsoc: You do know that the avivo drivers are *heavily* experimental at the moment, right?  As in "slower than vesa" experimental?12:22
socyes12:26
socbut vesa doesn't work here ...12:26
socbeside 800x60012:26
RAOFThe "ati" drivers should run your x1400, just without 3d12:29
anon32that's pretty close to "not running them" isn't it?12:30
RAOFanon32: It's the best he'll get.12:30
anon32:-\12:31
RAOFAt least with an open-source driver.12:31
anon32http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/8.40.4 <-- wtf, fglrx 8.40.4 doesn't compile on 2.6.21+?12:34
RAOFSeems about right.12:35
anon32it says the reason for that is because the kernel is being communist and preventing non-GPL modules from working12:36
bur[n] erlol12:36
bur[n] erf them, intel works :)12:36
nosrednaekimoh no..12:37
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SayersWhy doesn't pidgin make sounds anymore :(?12:39
jussi01!info kdenlive12:40
ubotuPackage kdenlive does not exist in gutsy12:40
jussi01grrr12:40
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jussi01not out of new yet12:40
nosrednaekimah... at least the its hackable..(the ATI driver)12:41
Sayersany clues on my pidgin? Alsa works...12:42
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