=== iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] evand: uploaded [12:36] thanks Riddell! === Lure [n=lure@dhcp65-74-212-118.airport.aus.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-7e985641f50923c4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hollowlife1987 [n=hollowli@12-208-108-241.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hollowlife1987 [n=hollowli@12-208-108-241.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro [n=pedro@pc-65-202-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cyr@201-41-181-163.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@adsl-074-167-242-127.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] infinity: You'll deal with all the lpia builds that failed due to chroot problems? === robitaille_ [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@221.201.51.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@125.212.15.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] StevenK: Oh, feh. Yeah, need to fix the buildds to fix that. Go me. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hollow87 [n=hollow@12-208-108-241.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hollow87 [n=hollow@12-208-108-241.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === vincechen [n=vince419@61.146.10.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] got a set of debs to test! :-) [03:49] assuming these work i just need to update changelog and then upload === Nafallo hides === calc is testing them himself [03:50] everyone else can test them in gutsy ;) [03:50] argh ;-) [03:51] they work, no hang, yipee :) [03:51] And the patch was only 5.4Mb? :-P [03:52] the patch to fix the original patch was like 80 bytes or something [03:52] 2 lines of code change [03:54] bbl, doing the changelog now === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === annodomini [n=bpc@pool-71-169-144-111.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stiv2k [n=steve@207.138.91.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] hi [04:14] do i have voice? [04:14] ok [04:14] no [04:14] i have this extremely annoying CUPS problem that all seemed to start when i reformatted my server's hard drive about a month ago... [04:14] the printer just disappears on its own after some aarbitrary amount of time has passed since i added it [04:14] stiv2k: try #ubuntu first === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-0564d98144bef0a6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] Nafallo: have [04:15] nobdoy knew anything [04:15] stiv2k: if it is a bug, then file it. [04:15] well i'm not too good at diagnosing this stuff [04:15] StevenK: Fixed. [04:15] perhaps someone could help me extract some more details before i file the bug [04:15] anyways === annodomini_ [n=bpc@pool-71-169-140-20.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] i have to constantly re-add the printer only for it to disappear again later [04:16] infinity: Yay! Can you look at libnss-db now? :-) [04:16] stiv2k: or you file a bug and someone tells you what to do... no matter which, this isn't the channel. [04:16] StevenK: I haven't slept... [04:16] Nafallo: uh huh...where do you propose i file it [04:16] launchpad.net, cups package? [04:16] see i dont know if its CUPS that's the problem [04:17] it almost seems like a USB problem but i cant put my finger on it [04:17] stiv2k: file it against Ubuntu then [04:17] if it isn't then it'll get reassigned [04:17] or that [04:17] but cups sounds like a good starting point [04:17] agreed [04:17] that or Layer1 :-) [04:18] layer1? [04:18] hmm [04:18] alright [04:18] physical layer [04:21] dammit [04:22] launchpad.net keeps timing out tryign to search for bugs [04:23] well I'ld say that since you're not sure the bug is in cups the bug will have to be looked into deeper anyway [04:23] what do you mean? [04:24] yipee, changelog done [04:24] so there's probably not much harm done in filing it without looking for dups then [04:24] its a really strange issue [04:24] Chipzz: oh i was just trying to search for 'cups' bugs to see if anyone else had the same problem [04:25] Please look for dups first. [04:25] There's an ongoing war about that. [04:25] I'm in the "please don't look for dupes" camp, myself. [04:25] Because 95% of the "me too" followups I have to bugs are people with DIFFERENT bugs who think they're the same. [04:25] And then trying to separate that is hell. [04:26] ScottK: what is dups ? [04:26] It wouldn't surprise me if it's the USB autosuspend issue [04:26] stiv2k: Duplicates. [04:26] oh [04:26] infinity does have a point. === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:27] Marking a bug as a duplicate is trivial. Trying to break one bug into 5 different ones is a pain. [04:27] ughh [04:27] unfortunately i dont see anyone with the same problem asm e [04:27] which just makes me more weary [04:27] BTW, here are the open bugs against cups https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/ [04:29] one thing [04:30] i DO remember there being a bug causing cups printers to disappear [04:30] something to do with dbus [04:30] or libdub [04:30] libdbus [04:30] but i heard that word of mouth [04:30] i never actually saw this bug [04:30] i'll have openoffice.org source uploaded in 30m or so [04:30] and i dont know if my problem pertains to that [04:31] forget it -- i can't find any, i'm submitting one === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] infinity: Is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf supposed to be overwritten during an apache2 package upgrade ? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-102.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] er where am i supposed to dput to... 'jackass'? [05:01] i got a bounce back saying could not find distribute 'UploadQueue' [05:01] er distribution [05:03] calc: I just dput to upload.ubuntu.com [05:03] It's the default location in Ubuntu's dput. === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.249.216] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] ScottK: yea thats what i actually did according to dput info [05:06] but it failed with the following [05:06] Rejected: [05:06] Could not find distribution 'UploadQueue' [05:06] Unhandled exception processing upload: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-20070821-035939-000539/UploadQueue/tmpMMLoBP' [05:06] That doesn't sound fun. [05:06] grr and most of the people that could fix it are asleep [05:07] Sounds like either you haven't been added to the right whatever it is or it's a bug in the system. [05:07] yea [05:07] well i'm in core-dev so i think i should be able to upload, unless there is something else to do [05:07] i just got added last week though [05:08] seems to be a really bad error message in any case, heh === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] calc: Hm. It should just be core-dev [05:10] mjg59: ok [05:10] I don't know enough about the upload queue to know if it's based on groups. [05:10] ok [05:10] Which distribution did you upload to? [05:10] gutsy [05:11] What does your dput.conf look like? [05:12] mjg59: http://pastebin.com/d7ad83392 [05:14] calc: Incoming is /, not /UploadQueue [05:15] fun, i found a bug in a server then it defaults to that in the dput there [05:16] Hm. Pretty sure my dput.cf is stock. [05:17] calc: dput.cf as shipped is just: [05:17] [ubuntu] [05:17] fqdn = upload.ubuntu.com [05:17] incoming = / [05:17] login = anonymous [05:18] ok [05:18] The error message is kind of weird, though [05:19] yea [05:20] mathiaz: No, it should only be created on a fresh install. It's a bug if sf broke that... [05:21] infinity: ok. Thks. I'll investigate the releveant bug tomorrow. === calc uploading openoffice.org-l10n now === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74.134.231.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/1:2.3.0~oog680m1-1ubuntu1 [05:37] : [05:37] :) === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] How long does that take to build on the buildd's? [05:38] calc: Woo! [05:39] calc: Just in time for freeze [05:39] yep [05:39] well we have a few days left before tribe-5, not like when i did the upload for tribe-4 ;) [05:40] about 10m before the l10n is done uploading === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stiv2k [n=steve@207.138.91.72] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] Good morning [07:20] morning pitti [07:20] hey kylem [07:26] Morning pitti [07:26] hey StevenK === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] pitti: Would you mind giving gchempaint back on amd64, ia64 and ppc? [07:34] StevenK: done [07:34] pitti: Thanks. Hopefully, they'll build and libopenbabel1 can be killed. [07:36] And then I might kill man-di since sear is *still* not sorted out. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] pitti: And qobex can be killed if the MIR that kdebluetooth is waiting on gets promoted and kdebluetooth builds... === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] heya pitti [07:54] hey bryce, how are you? [07:54] StevenK: oh, a lot of KDEish things were recently approved, right; I'll promote them [07:55] doing ok. My new fiancee's moving in this past week [07:55] bryce: did you get a nice ring? [07:55] bryce: and congratulations! [07:55] oh yeah :-) [07:55] bryce: took a little longer than an hour, I suppose? Took us half a day, in total [07:55] wow [07:56] bryce: well, I needed two hours to find an engagement ring, the wedding ring took longer [07:56] well I'd already picked out the diamond, so it was just the matter of selecting a setting. We'd already decided on the metal, too === aevaughn [n=aevaughn@164.111.191.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] ah === StevenK was trusted to pick out the engagement ring. [07:57] I'd gotten the diamond in a temporary setting. Worked out well; she absolutely _loved_ being able to pick out her own engagement ring [07:57] since my gf didn't know that I was about to ask her, I picked it myself, too === bryce nods [07:58] it's hard! [07:58] We went out together while I tried to gauge what she liked. [08:00] on a more topical note... for backporting patches, how strict should I be? Is it like with SRU's that they should only be fixes for critical flaws, or are fixes for more minor issues (like man pages, etc.) also acceptable? [08:02] Usually backports are done for features, not for fixes, althouth minor fixes would certainly be entertained. [08:04] infinity: I got a couple of lpia 'chroot problem' FTBFS mails with 'package architecture (lpia) does not match system (i386)'; I guess you are on that? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] pitti: I also got a bunch of mails about it, infinity fixed it a few hours ago. [08:06] pitti: I suspect he then crashed and went to bed. [08:07] cool [08:09] Because I made the mistake of asking him about libnss-db ... === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] pitti: Would you mind checking to see if rothera is spinning aimlessly? [08:14] StevenK: apparently something is wrong with it, but I can't see more than you can === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | UVF in place === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Sat Aug 18 12:32:46 2007 === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@158.185-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.178.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rugueux [n=wsb@217-162-134-236.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] I need some advice for packaging a multibinary, do somone can give me advice ? [09:38] what do you mean by multibinary?= [09:39] In fact I want to package iscan, that contain the library, and some gui stuff and plugin [09:39] I want to have those elemets in different packages [09:40] so you want one source that generates several binary packages [09:40] but the make install do install it all at a time [09:40] yes [09:40] that's not an issue... [09:40] look into packages like redhat-cluster-suite [09:40] it's a simple example that does that [09:40] the make install puts everything in one place [09:40] lots of other small bits will move stuff around properly [09:40] or also openais [09:41] infinity: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8898482/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.redhat-cluster-suite_2.20070816-0ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz [09:41] infinity: is there anything i should do there? [09:42] yes, everythings is in one place, dh_make rule put then everything in ./tmp [09:43] I thought it was possible to say in "pkgname".install in debian or something like that which files belong to which package, but I'm not sure === tseliot [n=tseliot@host235-199-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] rugueux: yes you can do that.. you use dh_install or dh_move. look at the 2 source packages i mentione [09:50] +d [09:51] don't use dh_movefiles please, it's hideously obsolete [09:51] oh is it? ok.. [09:52] then dh_install only === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] hey seb128! [09:56] hey dholbach [09:57] to use dh_install, I have only to put the files I want to install in debian/pkgname.install ? and uncomment dh_install in rules ?? === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-34-125.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=Patrice@86.68.109.252] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] in my install file I have usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 but dh_install is not putting my file into the package [10:04] do it is missing something in rules [10:06] rugueux: the upstream Makefile (or something else) also needs to install it into debian/tmp beforehand ... [10:06] rugueux: #ubuntu-motu would be more appropriate for all of this, though [10:06] rugueux: (also, set DH_VERBOSE=1 in the environment to get more verbose information on what debhelper commands are doing) [10:07] ok many thanks for your help, I'm going to motu to ask my questions, bye ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-7c749f04dfc192ef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blazemonger [n=blazetek@c-75-66-196-18.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] is there a way I can disable the loading of the restricted kernel images? [10:17] i'm wanting to tweak my ubuntu to my tastes :) [10:18] everyone ready to freeze? === fabbione puts himself in the freezer [10:19] Riddell: no! send me some heat! [10:19] Riddell: I thought you were just supposed to declare it? [10:19] Riddell: did you fix that kdepim upgrade bug? [10:19] I've still some updates to do but I guess I can get freeze exceptions? ;) [10:19] seb128: Riddell might be ruthless, and not give them out :P [10:21] Hobbsee: I've only seen a but about kdepimlibs [10:21] which isn't so important [10:21] blazemonger: you can just remove linux-restricted-modules-* if you like [10:21] hey seb128 [10:22] moin Riddell [10:22] Riddell: oh, i thought the bug i pointed you at a couple of days ago was for kde3, not 4. [10:22] hi pitti [10:22] blazemonger: assuming that's what you mean [10:22] yahy [10:22] guten tag pitti! [10:22] Hobbsee: hmm, seems it is [10:22] blazemonger: note that it will also remove the 'linux' metapackage at the moment, but that's OK === pitti hugs Hobbsee [10:22] blazemonger: you'll still have 'linux-image' installed to track upgrades === Hobbsee hugs pitti :) === chand [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] seb128: updates for tribe 5? [10:24] ok cool [10:24] thanksw [10:25] you folks seem more my kind ..i'm new to linux but im migrating from amiga's and netbsd [10:25] to PC's and Linux [10:25] so i just reinstall the linux metapackage [10:25] and everything that got deinstalled [10:26] Riddell: yes [10:27] blazemonger: right, if you want to put them back again [10:28] blazemonger: I trust you're sure that your system isn't depending on any of the restricted modules for e.g. network access [10:28] yeah [10:28] i like ubuntu but my system just doesnt need that restricted stuff which slows it down [10:28] since im only on a p4 and i know there's tweakis just have to know the distro well [10:29] once i get good at this i'm going to make something like a cross between ubuntu but use more true to linux :) [10:30] gobuntu, which is just getting started, may be to your taste, depending on exactly what you mean by that === dexem [n=dani@222.Red-88-23-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] (Ubuntu without restricted bits, basically) === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rugueux [n=wsb@217-162-134-236.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] like have it more like debian [10:47] like more compatible with deb packages === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] i only like ubuntu just because it's a slack way to install debian sid hehehe [10:49] is kernel-i686 still valid too? === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] blazemonger: Ubuntu doesn't provide anything of the sort, and kernel-image-686 et al don't exist in Ubuntu no [10:52] if you have a specific compatibility concern rather than a vague comment, we'd be happy to try to address that [10:59] how compatabile are sid packages compared to feisty packages [11:01] blazemonger: that is an invalid question I'm afraid [11:01] i dont see any kernal image's [11:01] blazemonger: since sid changes daily and feisty is a stable release, the answer changes every day [11:01] blazemonger: but in general you will have quite a lot of dependency problems due to different library versions [11:02] that's true between Debian sid now and Debian sid one month later too, though [11:02] oh okay [11:02] so kernal-image-* doesn't exist anywhere in ubuntu [11:02] ? [11:02] linux-image-* [11:02] *confused* [11:03] we repackage the kernel from scratch === Zdra [n=zdra@158.185-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] i see a linux-image-i686 [11:03] and since we were doing that anyway, it made sense to apply the name change that people have been talking about in Debian for ages but not got round to [11:03] 686, not i686 [11:03] but you probably want linux-image-generic [11:04] it's been linux-image-* in Debian too, for quite a while. [11:04] of course, so it has === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] mm === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | UVF in place | Frozen for Tribe 5 [11:04] interesting [11:05] linux-image-686 | 2.6.22+9 | unstable | i386 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67654.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] StevenK: ah, the mysterious buildd non-progress has just been resolved; slave-scanner wasn't running [11:18] Neat === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === morgs [n=morgan@ubuntu/member/morgs] has joined #ubuntu-devel === morgs [n=morgan@ubuntu/member/morgs] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-125-93.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] pitti, hi [11:26] hi tkamppeter [11:27] first I hope you had a nice wedding, and congratulations [11:27] tkamppeter: I had indeed, thank you! [11:27] but now eo the problem: bug 133743 [11:27] Launchpad bug 133743 in cups-pdf "package cups-pdf 2.4.6-3ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133743 [11:27] tkamppeter: http://www.piware.de/fotos/Hochzeit-Vorschau/ <- sneak preview (real photos will follow in some weeks0 [11:28] pitti, thanks. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] tkamppeter: hm; can you reproduce that? [11:29] The cups-pdf package sets up a PDF printer if none is there. [11:29] Pici, tkamppeter, Hi :) === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] tkamppeter, could you take care of Bug #132994 for your next packaing of s-c-p ? [11:29] Launchpad bug 132994 in system-config-printer "S-c-p should recommend hal-cups-utils" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132994 === surak [n=surak@2.151.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] To check, it asks CUPS via the "lpstat -v" command and greps for cups-pdf:/ URLs. [11:29] hi kagou [11:30] hi [11:30] hi mpt [11:30] If there is no PDF printer, it creates one with lpadmin. [11:30] hey pitti, I sure would like to know what the log-cutting ritual is :) [11:31] Now it seems that some users do not have CUPS running [11:31] amitk_: the young couple has to prove that it can achieve something together [11:31] amitk_: usually with a horribly blunt, rusty, and unset saw, for extra fun for the audience :) [11:31] So on each install or update of cups-pdf "lpstat -v" fails due to the missing CUPS. [11:32] tkamppeter: ah, right [11:32] pitti, now what is the best to do? [11:32] tkamppeter: replace it with a grep -v '^DeviceURI cups-pdf:/' /etc/cups/printers.conf ? [11:32] tkamppeter: but hm, that won't help you much, since you still need lpadmin to actually set it up [11:33] Simply ignore setting the PDF queue? Starting CUPS if it is not running? Or to do everything by modifying config files (the germans say "zu Fuss")? [11:33] tkamppeter: starting cups in cups-pdf backend, or manually modifying the configuration files -> EBW [11:33] What means "EBW"? [11:33] tkamppeter: not configuring the PDF queue is acceptable, but usually I wouldn't worry too much [11:34] tkamppeter: "evil, bad, and wrong" [11:34] pitti: so you should make sure to bring a leatherman or similar so you can at least set the saw somewhat? [11:34] Mithrandir: well, after ten minutes, the father usually becomes merciful and gives you a real saw :) [11:35] they didn't make you use a herring? [11:35] pitti: heh. :-) === dobey_ [n=dobey@ip68-229-101-154.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] Mithrandir: carrying a leatherman in your suit spoils the look somewhat :) [11:35] kylem: a herring for cutting a log? uh, that sounds ... ambitious [11:35] pitti: depends on the suit, I suppose. [11:35] leatherman, herring, saw.... no more coffee for me. :) [11:35] pitti: sounds perfectly sane. monty python says so. [11:36] tkamppeter: hm, just adding the entire stanza to printers.conf manually would work, too, I guess [11:37] tkamppeter: but I don't quite like it, if the format or options ever change, then this will result in a mess you cannot recover from [11:37] does anyone know why mysql uses latin1 by default, and not utf8? (see bug 34181) [11:37] Launchpad bug 34181 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "locale and charset problem in mysql" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34181 === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] pitti, and adding the stuff manually to the config files will also not set the paper size. So an ugly "perl -p -i -e ..." has to be applied to the PPD. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] tkamppeter: nah, let's not get into that then; just don't do anything then if cups is not running, there's little that you can do about it at that point [11:38] pitti, perhaps I will simply silently ignore the queue setup if CUPS is not running [11:38] tkamppeter: I agree [11:39] And users who intendedly stop CUPS probably know how to call system-config-printer later to set up the queues which they need. [11:40] Riddell, i see linux-* was just uploaded, i have a small fix for gnome-screensaver id like to have in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/2.19.6-0ubuntu2vs-0ubuntu3.debdiff (drops most of the patch) ok with you ? [11:41] pitti, or any other seed/release guru, is cups-pdf added to the seeds now? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] tkamppeter: yes, check the Recommends: list of ubuntu-desktop [11:42] pitti: could you accept glib2.0 2.14.0? [11:42] ogra: what does it fix? [11:42] Riddell: ^ [11:42] seb128: what does it fix/change? [11:42] pitti, thanks. Can you close the cups-pdf Blueprint as fixed then? [11:43] Riddell: it's the new GNOME 2.20 stable version and I want it for the new tribe? ;) [11:43] Riddell, the former fix only worked if you manually activated the screensaver ... (so it died when called from the desktop idle watcher, but remotely locking worked) this change fixes the issue completely [11:43] Riddell: some bug fixed since 2.13.7 [11:43] tkamppeter, great news [11:43] tkamppeter: done [11:44] ogra: ok, upload [11:44] kagou which great news? === enrico_ is now known as enrico [11:44] Riddell, thanks :) [11:44] seb128: I don't suppose that includes the initialisation broken in nspluginviewer, opera, acroread etc bug? [11:44] tkamppeter, that this blueprint is now fixed/approved [11:44] Riddell: no, it's not clear that's a glib bug [11:45] pitti, I see you have also closed the printer auto setup Blueprint [11:45] tkamppeter: yes, you asked me to? [11:45] and it seems to work, by and large [11:46] pitti, is there anything thats holding back gobby from re-entering main ? (we had it approved and moved in already but demoted it because of the libhowl dep which is gone now) [11:46] ogra: no, nothing; let me do some promotions, Riddell needs some, too [11:46] yay, pkern will be happy :) [11:47] hello keyes [11:47] how are you ? [11:48] I tried out your program for a couple of minutes, but haven't looked at it thoroughly [11:48] ok [11:48] though it's still on my to-do list for today [11:48] thanks :) [11:48] I was a bit confused by the "Choose Recipients" window [11:48] What do you mean by "recipients"? [11:49] recipients ?? [11:49] where do you see that ? [11:49] It's the window that comes up when I choose "Encrypt..." [11:49] seb128: accepted. but I think it's quite incorrect to say that a new version of a library which breaks half the world isn't the fault of the library [11:50] I don't have the word "recipients" here in this windows :| [11:50] Riddell: it doesn't break "half of the world", nothing in GNOME has been b0rked [11:50] just "Folder", "Password" and "Confirmation" [11:50] that's odd [11:50] seb128: I didn't say the whole world :) [11:50] Riddell: openoffice uses gdk functions without calling gdk_init(), dunno about the others [11:51] keyes, you've added the "Edit" > "Encrypt..." menu item, correct? [11:51] Riddell: just the commercial half :) [11:51] where ? [11:51] if you run : conceal-gtk [11:51] it's a "Gnome system tools"-like window [11:51] without menu [11:52] So I've been looking at completely the wrong program the whole time? [11:52] heh [11:52] your maybe looking at the nautilus extension ? [11:53] keyes, I thought "nautilus-conceal" would mean it added a menu item to Nautilus [11:53] yes it do [11:53] So, what is the name of the menu item? [11:53] Encrypt... [11:53] In the Edit menu? [11:53] but still not "recipients" word [11:53] in the right click menu [11:53] and maybe in the edit yes [11:53] yep, that too [11:53] what does this program do? [11:53] When I choose either of them, I get "Choose Recipients" [11:54] :| [11:54] seb128, encrypts files/folders [11:54] isn't seahorse doing that already? [11:54] seb128, not the same [11:54] why not updating seahorse to do it? [11:54] seb128, seahorse is a GnuPD frontend [11:54] GnuPG [11:54] Implementation detail! [11:55] A good reason would be "Seahorse's UI is obviously about X, not about encrypting/decrypting files" :-) [11:55] yep [11:55] not true [11:55] it adds a nautilus context menu option [11:55] still don't understand why you have a choose recipients label :/ [11:56] I'm not saying that's true, just that it would be a valid reason if you had a good value for X [11:56] i send you a shot of the "excepted window" [11:56] well, you can add a extra simple UI to a program [11:56] no need to write a different one [11:56] I think that seahorse was really not adapted to what I want to do [11:57] Looking at Seahorse, I tend to agree [11:57] It looks like a key/password library, not an encryption tool [11:57] a lot of end user don't know even what is a "SSH key" or a "GNUPG key' [11:57] I'd more expect to find an encryption UI in file-roller, actually [11:57] than in seahorse [11:57] guys, you have no idea how nice it is to be on the sabe timezone than most of devs. Way better then entering here at 4:00 am :) [11:58] but do you need an "encryption UI"? shouldn't that be a nautilus menu action? [11:58] seb128, well, exactly :-) [11:58] seb128, it's the two ;) [11:58] That's what I thought it was [11:58]