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| mdke | mpt: I'd quite like to hear your views on the bzr issue, given that you're one of the few of us with a knowledge of the docteam processes and of bzr at the same time | 09:23 |
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| mpt | mdke, which bzr issue? | 09:32 |
| mdke | mpt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-August/009106.html | 09:37 |
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| mpt | mdke, bzr's speed will continue to improve over the coming months | 09:47 |
| mpt | I have reported bugs on poor upload/download feedback, but I don't know when those will be fixed. | 09:47 |
| mpt | Another advantage that exists now is that people can easily work on multiple branches simultaneously -- instead of doing one, waiting for it to be reviewed, fixing it from the review, waiting for it to be checked in, then starting on the next change | 09:49 |
| mpt | (That may be possible with svn too without downloading a whole new copy of the source tree, but I don't know how) | 09:50 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:51 |
| mdke | mpt: interesting | 09:51 |
| mdke | mpt: would you mind posting to the mailing list about it (doesn't have to be today). I've got to disappear to work now | 09:52 |
| mpt | ok | 09:53 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:54 |
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| jjesse | nixternal_: spent some time last night reveiwing docs and i still need to change/update add-applications.xml and everything else looks good so far | 02:44 |
| CIA-32 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4285 ubuntu/switching/C/preparing.xml: Updating status of reviewed sections | 02:45 |
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| jono | hi all | 06:19 |
| jono | is the packaging guide available as a PDF? | 06:19 |
| jjesse | i thought it was | 06:20 |
| jjesse | on help.ubuntu.com | 06:20 |
| jono | I can't find it jjesse | 06:25 |
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| jjesse | jono: hmm looking | 06:34 |
| jjesse | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf | 06:36 |
| jjesse | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf | 06:37 |
| jjesse | for 6.10 and for 6.06 | 06:37 |
| jjesse | dont kow if any changed for 7.10? | 06:37 |
| jjesse | jono: did you see those? | 06:46 |
| jono | thanks jjesse | 06:52 |
| jjesse | np jono | 06:52 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: still awake? | 12:17 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yes, briefly | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | bzr thing | 12:17 |
| mdke | ya | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I think it could be worthwhile to look into having a common branch | 12:17 |
| mdke | I really think we'd need to keep the same structure | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | then having ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu branches | 12:18 |
| mdke | hrm | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | I think we could fairly easily provide a script that would put them together in the right places | 12:18 |
| mdke | I'm just concerned about the potential divergence and confusion that might arise from so many branches | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | yes, that's understandable | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | maybe we can ask the bzr people about some of that | 12:19 |
| mdke | also, problems caused by the shared docs | 12:19 |
| mdke | on the other hand, I'm worried that it's not a conventional way to host packages in bzr (i.e. having the debian directories randomly around the place) | 12:20 |
| mdke | but then again, we do it in svn :) | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but it's kinda a pain in the butt | 12:20 |
| mdke | it's ugly | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | for edubuntu I can't just take the edubuntu/ and make a package out of it | 12:21 |
| mdke | yes | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | I've got to make sure I move/remove things to make it right | 12:21 |
| mdke | I think resolving that issue is really independent of the bzr move issue | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | kinda | 12:21 |
| mdke | the point is really that we can do in bzr what we currently do in svn | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | in svn it's easy to checkout a subdirectory | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't think bzr can do that presently | 12:22 |
| mdke | no biggie though, you generally need all our directories | 12:22 |
| mdke | even for edubuntu you need the common directories | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | I also find the sysadmin overhead argument to be a little lame | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | sure, but it would make sense to me to have "doc-base" and then "edubuntu" branches | 12:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock: well, if the sysadmins find it a pain, we have to listen | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | sure | 12:24 |
| CIA-32 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4286 ubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: Merged power management into laptops, linked to touchpads from input section | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | but people have been doing CVS/SVN repo hosting for a long time | 12:24 |
| mdke | I don't really like the idea of having to get two branches to make a whole | 12:24 |
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| LaserJock | the sysadmins are here to help us | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | so I'm not sure we should make that an overwhelming factor | 12:25 |
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| CIA-32 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4287 ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent: Added several new entities (oodraw, touchpad, etc) | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | possible svn repo downtime vs LP downtime might be better to look at | 12:25 |
| mdke | is that a biggie? both are almost always up; and even whe LP is down, local commits should avoid problems | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | well, did the svn repo go down? | 12:26 |
| mdke | I can't remember it ever having gone down | 12:26 |
| mdke | at least since I've been a contributor | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | k, that's a good thing :-) | 12:27 |
| mdke | my memory is quite bad though | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered what happened with the "compromise" | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | we lost doc.ubuntu.com right? | 12:27 |
| mdke | no, the svn server is in the datacentre | 12:28 |
| mdke | right | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | so it comes down to the Canonical sysadmins not wanting to support svn | 12:28 |
| mdke | yes | 12:28 |
| mdke | we're the only project using it, I think | 12:29 |
| mdke | I have to go to bed; email? | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | I might | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm mostly fine with the bzr thing | 12:29 |
| mdke | please do :) | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | I just wanted a quick chat | 12:29 |
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| LaserJock | haven't talked with you for a while ;-) | 12:30 |
| mdke | we should have a meeting if people start thinking the same way | 12:30 |
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| mdke | night | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | cya | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | so, is anybody here a docuMENTEE? :-) | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | theCore: ping | 12:31 |
| theCore | LaserJock: hi | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | theCore: anything happening with the packaging guide? | 12:37 |
| theCore | nothing yet, I have been too busy with Python core development | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | you might want to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | more specifically see who's doing it and perhaps if the want to collaborate | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | I think it'd help if more Debian people got pulled in as well | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | there's really no reason why a packaging guide can't be worked on jointly | 12:39 |
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