=== Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc === merriam [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by crimsun at Sat Dec 30 01:13:50 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log [09:23] mpt: I'd quite like to hear your views on the bzr issue, given that you're one of the few of us with a knowledge of the docteam processes and of bzr at the same time [09:32] mdke, which bzr issue? [09:37] mpt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-August/009106.html === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:47] mdke, bzr's speed will continue to improve over the coming months [09:47] I have reported bugs on poor upload/download feedback, but I don't know when those will be fixed. [09:49] Another advantage that exists now is that people can easily work on multiple branches simultaneously -- instead of doing one, waiting for it to be reviewed, fixing it from the review, waiting for it to be checked in, then starting on the next change [09:50] (That may be possible with svn too without downloading a whole new copy of the source tree, but I don't know how) [09:51] hmm [09:51] mpt: interesting [09:52] mpt: would you mind posting to the mailing list about it (doesn't have to be today). I've got to disappear to work now [09:53] ok [09:54] thanks === mdke disappears === Liz [n=liz@203.118.187.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@A-57-104.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:44] nixternal_: spent some time last night reveiwing docs and i still need to change/update add-applications.xml and everything else looks good so far [02:45] Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4285 ubuntu/switching/C/preparing.xml: Updating status of reviewed sections === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.28.142] has joined #ubuntu-doc === greg-g [n=greg@unaffiliated/greg-g] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@fluxbuntu/documentation/bodhizazen] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.28.142] has joined #ubuntu-doc === billycina [i=billycin@nat/canonical/x-688be4a38885214f] has joined #ubuntu-doc === billycina [i=billycin@nat/canonical/x-688be4a38885214f] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck_ [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] hi all [06:19] is the packaging guide available as a PDF? [06:20] i thought it was [06:20] on help.ubuntu.com [06:25] I can't find it jjesse === pimanx [n=pimanx@port134.ds1-gjp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pimanx [n=pimanx@port134.ds1-gjp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [06:34] jono: hmm looking [06:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf [06:37] https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf [06:37] for 6.10 and for 6.06 [06:37] dont kow if any changed for 7.10? [06:46] jono: did you see those? [06:52] thanks jjesse [06:52] np jono === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@88-136-235-12.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam_ [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atlas95 [n=atlas@88-136-235-12.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tck [n=tck@213-202-177-23.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DarkRaven [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-241-193-209.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:17] mdke: still awake? [12:17] LaserJock: yes, briefly [12:17] bzr thing [12:17] ya [12:17] I think it could be worthwhile to look into having a common branch [12:18] I really think we'd need to keep the same structure [12:18] then having ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu branches [12:18] hrm [12:18] I think we could fairly easily provide a script that would put them together in the right places [12:18] I'm just concerned about the potential divergence and confusion that might arise from so many branches [12:19] yes, that's understandable [12:19] maybe we can ask the bzr people about some of that [12:19] also, problems caused by the shared docs [12:20] on the other hand, I'm worried that it's not a conventional way to host packages in bzr (i.e. having the debian directories randomly around the place) [12:20] but then again, we do it in svn :) [12:20] yeah, but it's kinda a pain in the butt [12:20] it's ugly [12:21] for edubuntu I can't just take the edubuntu/ and make a package out of it [12:21] yes [12:21] I've got to make sure I move/remove things to make it right [12:21] I think resolving that issue is really independent of the bzr move issue [12:21] kinda [12:22] the point is really that we can do in bzr what we currently do in svn [12:22] in svn it's easy to checkout a subdirectory [12:22] I don't think bzr can do that presently [12:22] no biggie though, you generally need all our directories [12:22] even for edubuntu you need the common directories [12:23] I also find the sysadmin overhead argument to be a little lame [12:23] sure, but it would make sense to me to have "doc-base" and then "edubuntu" branches [12:24] LaserJock: well, if the sysadmins find it a pain, we have to listen [12:24] sure [12:24] Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4286 ubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: Merged power management into laptops, linked to touchpads from input section [12:24] but people have been doing CVS/SVN repo hosting for a long time [12:24] I don't really like the idea of having to get two branches to make a whole === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:25] the sysadmins are here to help us [12:25] so I'm not sure we should make that an overwhelming factor === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:25] Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4287 ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent: Added several new entities (oodraw, touchpad, etc) [12:25] possible svn repo downtime vs LP downtime might be better to look at [12:26] is that a biggie? both are almost always up; and even whe LP is down, local commits should avoid problems [12:26] well, did the svn repo go down? [12:26] I can't remember it ever having gone down [12:27] at least since I've been a contributor [12:27] k, that's a good thing :-) [12:27] my memory is quite bad though [12:27] I just wondered what happened with the "compromise" [12:27] we lost doc.ubuntu.com right? [12:28] no, the svn server is in the datacentre [12:28] right [12:28] so it comes down to the Canonical sysadmins not wanting to support svn [12:28] yes [12:29] we're the only project using it, I think [12:29] I have to go to bed; email? [12:29] I might [12:29] I'm mostly fine with the bzr thing [12:29] please do :) [12:29] I just wanted a quick chat === mdke nods [12:30] haven't talked with you for a while ;-) [12:30] we should have a meeting if people start thinking the same way === mdke hugs LaserJock === LaserJock hugs mdke back [12:30] night [12:30] cya [12:31] so, is anybody here a docuMENTEE? :-) [12:31] theCore: ping [12:35] LaserJock: hi [12:37] theCore: anything happening with the packaging guide? [12:38] nothing yet, I have been too busy with Python core development [12:38] you might want to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook [12:39] more specifically see who's doing it and perhaps if the want to collaborate [12:39] I think it'd help if more Debian people got pulled in as well [12:39] there's really no reason why a packaging guide can't be worked on jointly