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norsettogood night all, the bad, the goods and the uglies too12:35
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soothCan someone check what files are installed by libxmlrpc-c3/gutsy for me?01:20
leonelsooth: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libxmlrpc-c3&version=gutsy&arch=i38601:21
soothDoes that look normal?01:24
soothleonel ^01:24
mayecoMOTO guys!01:27
mayecocheck this plasma applet : http://www.mayeco.org/moodbar_plasma.png01:27
mayeco:D01:27
mayeco*MOTU01:27
leonelsooth:  maybe you can  contact   Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>01:27
soothleonel: He's debian maintainer of the package?01:28
soothleonel: Anyway, that's a bug right?01:28
leonelat least  the last update for ubuntu01:28
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soothWhat is the command to list the installed files of a package?01:33
TheMusodpkg -L01:33
soothTheMuso: Thanks01:33
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mrignsdoes anybody have the build-depends for the debian/control for pidgin-2.1.1?01:44
soothmrigns: Is it going to be different than 2.1.0?01:48
soothAre old versions of packages available somewhere?01:50
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=== RAOF is back from a lightning visit to Hobart.
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RAOFPOX_: ping! Any more comments re: miro package?  I think I'll add a recommends on libxine1-ffmpeg, but anything apart from that?02:50
StevenKRAOF: And how was Hobart?02:53
StevenKRAOF: Aside from disturbing, it being in Tasmania. :-P02:54
RAOFStevenK: Hobart was beautiful as ever.02:54
RAOFStevenK: It's really wonderful, I love it.02:55
RAOFAlso, my Grandmother wasn't nearly as ill as I'd feared.02:58
StevenKWell, that is good news.02:59
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RAOFYes.03:01
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Nafallodepends on what version/revision really?03:10
StevenKWhere does the UVF procedure live?03:10
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NafalloCategoryMOTU hopefully :-)03:11
Nafallowow. even more blu lights.03:11
Nafalloblue even03:12
RAOFNafallo: No, FAT32 doesn't support files >2Gb.03:12
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jribHi, if anyone would like to comment on03:29
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jribhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24, I would appreciate it.  Thanks. (ScottK, you've been very helpful with this package so far.  I think I've addressed the issues in your last comment before revu went down, but would still like your input whenever you get a chance.)03:30
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zakamegood day03:36
whitejrib: interested in bringing the package back to debian?03:38
white!info reverend sid03:38
ubotuPackage reverend does not exist in sid03:38
jribwhite: yep, once I get it into ubuntu, I'm going to visit utnubu03:39
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whitejrib: feel free to write an ITP and send it to the -debian-mentors@l.d.o. list03:40
whitejrib: you can also sync from debian to ubuntu, which might be easier ;)03:40
jribwhite: thanks, I think the next package, I'll try going that route from the start to compare03:42
whitejrib: you are welcome03:45
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ScottKwhite: At this point it's probably to late to go through Debian for Gutsy as packages would have to be out of Debian NEW to be synced by 30 Aug.04:22
ScottKI would encourage people to work on pushing stuff into Debian.04:23
ScottKFor Feisty I had several new packages in Ubuntu and by the time the Gutsy repos opened I had them all in Debian (or someone else was working on it).04:23
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TheMusoiii/c06:27
TheMusough06:27
ScottKI guess someone eventually had to say something.06:32
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soulriderhello06:37
ScottKHello06:37
soulrideri am currently programmin an application, and i would like to know what steps i need to follow to be able to distribute it to ubuntu users06:37
soulriderits not quite ready yet though06:37
ScottKDo you have any experience with the Debian package management system?06:38
soulrideri would also like to know about quality standards etc06:38
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soulriderScottK, just a bit, i have compiled and i have amde some deb packages06:38
soulriderbut this is a python app, you dont really compile it06:38
soulrideri also dont really know in which directory it should be installed06:38
ScottKPython apps still can/should be packaged.06:38
RAOFsoulrider: I was talking to jml about writing a page on the wiki about this.06:39
soulrideryes, i know06:39
ScottKFor a Python app, my recommendation is to first make a proper setup.py using distutils.06:39
soulriderdistutils ?06:39
ScottKThat's a Python module for making distributable modules and apps.  It's not Debian specific.06:40
soulrideroh, i see06:40
ScottKOnce you have that, I Debian package is pretty easy to make.06:40
ScottKI/A06:40
soulrideri see06:41
ScottKIf you want an example of a relatively simple Python application, you can apt-get source pypolicyd-spf.  That's one I did.06:41
soulriderand is it quality checked or something?06:41
RAOFBefore it hits an official repository, yes.06:41
calcbtw new openoffice with the hang fix applied is in gutsy now06:41
calcwaiting for build on the various archs06:41
soulrideri will, this sia  simple appa ctually, and i havnt found similar applications for some reason...06:41
ScottKWe check to ensure it's legal to distribute and is installed in such a way as to be unlikely to harm the rest of the system.06:41
ScottKYeahhh Calc.06:41
ScottKIf it's somewhat buggy, but supported and fixed, that's OK.06:42
calcwe should remove the -gtk/-gnome dep in kubuntu meta since its not needed anymore06:42
ScottKBuggy, but unsupported by upstream will get removed.06:42
ScottKcalc: Agreed, but probably a topic for #kubuntu-devel.06:42
soulrideri hope i can have my program ready by the end of the week06:43
ScottKThen you upload it to REVU.06:43
ScottK!REVU|soulrider06:43
ubotusoulrider: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU06:43
calchmm yea good idea ;)06:44
ScottKAlso note that our new package freeze for Gutsy is 30 Aug and so it'll be tight at this point.06:44
soulriderthank you ScottK, i also couldnt find that package you told me to install though06:44
ScottKWhat version of Ubuntu are you running?06:44
soulriderScottK, so if it were to appear it wont appear until gutsy +1 ?06:44
soulrider7.1006:44
ScottKOK.06:44
soulrider04, sorry06:44
RAOFsoulrider: Another option is specto: "apt-get source specto" should work in Feisty.06:44
ScottKpypolicyd-spf also exists, but whatever.06:45
ScottKI've got to get to bed soon anyway.06:45
RAOFEh ;)06:45
soulriderill check those links out, thanks for the help06:45
ScottKI'm just saying that if you've got a good example, that's fine too, but I have to get to bed.06:46
ScottKGood night all.06:46
soulriderit cant find that source either =/ i think i disabled the source repos. ill find it in apckages.ubuntu06:46
RAOFOh, god.  Another "please break LSB directory structure" thread.06:47
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ajmitchRAOF: where? :)06:50
RAOFUbuntuforums, where else :)06:51
RAOFajmitch: Here, if you really want a direct link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53091506:51
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RAOFIndeed.06:52
ajmitcheven my phone follows the FHS06:52
RAOFNot actually "more organised", as far as I can see, anyway.06:52
RAOFajmitch: Really?  What's your phone?06:53
ajmitchjust got it today, neo197306:53
RAOFCool, I suppose.  I haven't actually heard of that.06:54
calcuser dirs directly under /06:54
calcthat doesn't scale well06:54
calcRAOF: yea that design looks like a mac user wanting linux to work like it06:55
ajmitchRAOF: www.openmoko.org06:55
calcRAOF: or something similar06:55
calcthat isn't to say there aren't places that FHS could be improved, but not in a breaking unix manner way06:55
RAOFajmitch: Ooooh, one of *those* phones.06:55
ajmitchyep :)06:56
calcthe layout under the user dirs is already implemented in gnome 2.1906:56
RAOFThe freedesktop user dirs thingy?  Yeah, most of them.06:57
calcoh is that a fdo spec, cool :)07:00
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RAOFYes.07:00
RAOFHuzzah for XDG basedir spec!07:01
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calctoo bad i didn't push harder to get debian to stop using menu files and go to desktop files :\07:02
calcwhile i was maintaining KDE07:02
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StevenKcalc: Noone would have listened, you were just the crazy KDE maintainer. :-P07:30
ScottKNow he's the even crazier OOO maintainer.07:33
StevenKAgreed. :-)07:34
StevenKBut he's getting paid for it, so he can't be that crazy.07:34
ScottKThat's true.07:34
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elmargolI'm searching the rules for naming a package. can't find it on the wiki :(07:48
ScottKWhat kind of package07:48
elmargolI'm interested how I see if a package has ubuntu specific changes07:49
RAOFIf it's got "ubuntu" in the version, yes.07:49
ScottKWhat RAOF said.07:49
elmargolIf I have to change something on the debian/controls file do I have to name it ubuntu?07:49
RAOFThe version will become x.y-$DEBIAN_REVISIONubuntu1, yes.07:50
RAOFOh, unless it's a native package, which it almost certainly isn't.07:51
elmargol:(07:51
RAOF(The native packages approximate a set of measure 0 on the archive)07:51
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RAOFI don't understand the ":(".  After touching the package you have to bump the package version anyway.07:53
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elmargolThe problem is how do I check if I can request a sync from debian. On the wiki they say i have to check if there are ubuntu changes07:55
RAOFelmargol: Firstly, if you need to change debian/control then it's a merge, not a sync.  Secondly, is there any particular reason why the debian package should be merged?07:57
elmargolWell we have gnunet-0.7.2b now. and still gnunet-gtk 0.7.1c so yes there is a reason07:59
RAOFelmargol: UVF is in effect, and the auto-syncher got turned off before that.  You need a good reason (ie: bugs fixed) before we even consider it.07:59
RAOFs/we consider/it should be considered/07:59
RAOFelmargol: Is it a bugfix release?08:01
white!info emacs21 gutsy08:01
ubotuemacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1977 kB, installed size 5928 kB08:01
RAOFemacs: the only text-editor/operating system08:02
RAOFI assume there's a security bug, then :)08:02
whiteis the security patch included? CVE-2007-283308:02
ubotuEmacs 21 allows user-assisted attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via certain crafted images, as demonstrated via a GIF image in vm mode, related to image size calculation. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2833)08:02
whitei just uploaded an NMU (21.4a+1-5.1) to unstable08:02
RAOFaptitude changelog suggests not08:03
elmargolRAOF: I ask upsteam about this08:04
whiteRAOF: what is the ubuntu change?08:04
RAOFelmargol: It's entirely possible to *get* an exception.  It's just that we want a reason other than "higher version number!!!!11" :)08:04
RAOFwhite: libpng3->12, desktop file changes, -fno-stack-protector, and a couple of extra metapackages08:05
elmargolThe changelog has some entries about bugfixing and some minor features08:05
RAOFYou probably want to read08:06
RAOF!uvf08:06
ubotuuvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d608:06
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whiteRAOF: then you might want to merge, check out: http://developer.skolelinux.no/~white/security/emacs21/CVE-2007-2833.diff08:08
ubotuEmacs 21 allows user-assisted attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via certain crafted images, as demonstrated via a GIF image in vm mode, related to image size calculation. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2833)08:08
whiteubotu: you said that already, know when you have to talk and when not08:08
RAOFwhite: If no one else grabs it, I'll look at it this evening.  Along with working out the UVFe process for Miro & xserver-xgl.08:11
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POX_RAOF: no, libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't have python bindings; can you point me to .dsc file again?09:25
RAOFPOX_: http://www.cooperteam.net/miro_0.9.8.1-0ubuntu1.dsc .  And it doesn't matter that libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't have python bindings, since democracyplayer provides it's own xine bindings.09:26
RAOFMy understanding is that libxine1-ffmpeg merely enhances an existing libxine, and as such requires no special bindings.09:27
RAOFMy understanding may, of course, be faulty.09:27
POX_well, if so, I guess it should be recommended by xine, not miro09:28
POX_(IMHO)09:28
RAOFPossibly.09:28
RAOFHowever, other things (rhthmbox, for example) recommend gstreamer plugin packages; this is an equivalent situation.09:29
RAOFMan, what a traversty of "rhythmbox" :)09:29
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RAOFPOX_: Incidentally, have you talked with Uwe about miro at all?  He's the democracyplayer maintainer.09:31
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POX_no, but you can mail him :)09:31
RAOFYeah, I'm planning to.09:31
POX_I guess sometimes it's easier to upload your packages to Debian first, right ScottK? :)09:31
RAOFNot when it's easier to actually get them to run on Ubuntu :)09:32
POX_at least 2 of my sponsorees with @ubuntu.com email address are saying that09:32
RAOFIt's certianly recommended.  And the process for getting into Debian really doesn't seem much more daunting than REVU -> Universe.09:33
RAOFAlthough that's *after* I've had a couple of packages through that route, of course.09:33
POX_well, I don't know, I always just ask for syncs :)09:33
RAOFAlso a winner :)09:34
POX_RAOF: btw, libboost-python in debian is using python2.4 again09:35
POX_but miro will work with 2.5 in Debian as well09:35
POX_(I requested for binNMUs)09:36
RAOFYeah, I heard care of Uwe.  How will miro handle that?09:37
POX_well, if I were Uwe, I would use python-central, it handles such packages beter than pysupport09:37
POX_hint: current kayword09:38
POX_keyword09:38
RAOFOh, yeah.09:39
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POX_you can replace "DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION = 2.5" with "DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION = ($shell pyversions -vd 2>/dev/null)"09:41
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rugueuxI need some help for packaging a multibinary ;) can so help ?10:09
rugueuxin fact I have a makefile from the source that make everythingp in one place, dh_make is putting everything in debian/tm10:10
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rugueuxi've created a pkg.install file with /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 in it, but dh_make say cannot stat libsane-epkow...10:12
RAOFI don't think you want full paths in install file.  Also, dh_make won't be saying anything, since you only run it once to create the template package.10:14
rugueuxI mean debuild10:14
rugueuxthe file libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 is present in debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.1510:15
rugueuxif I don't put full path in install file, where should I specify the target directory ?10:16
RAOFrugueux: So, the file has two usages.  You can just list files you want to install (relative to the base-dir), so you might be after a line like "debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.0.15"10:18
RAOFrugueux: That will put the file where you expect in the package (in /usr/lib/sane/...)10:18
RAOFrugueux: Alternatively, you can have 2 paths on a line.  That tells dh_install to move the file from the left hand path to the right hand path.10:19
RAOF"debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/*.so.* debian/pkgname/usr/lib/notsane/"10:20
rugueuxok !  fine ! It is easy when you know it ;) thank you, I'm trying10:20
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ZombieQuestion.12:01
ZombieDoes the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?12:01
Tonio_hi there12:02
Tonio_someone here has an hp printer with an embeded fax ?12:02
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RAOFOk.  Let's check that miro really builds & runs, and learn how to file a UVFe request...12:34
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davrobaniakhi everybody12:38
davrobaniakhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7 <== if any MOTU can take 5 mins to take a look at this package, he will receive a virtual hug, :)12:39
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Kmoshttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=21 -> please someone nuke this one. thx01:03
dholbachKmos:    diff -run gedit-2.16.0/ gedit-2.18.0/ | diffstat > diffstat.txt        for example01:03
dholbachthat's what        diff -ruN <package>-{old-version,new-version} | diffstat > diffstat.txt        is supposed to mean01:04
Kmosthx01:04
Kmosdholbach: i first apply the diff, right ?01:05
dholbachcompare the old package to the new package01:06
dholbachwhere package means extracted source code01:06
Kmosso no diff is applied01:06
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dholbachwhich diff do you refer to?01:07
dholbachthe debian/ diff?01:07
dholbachyeah, apply it01:07
Kmosah01:08
Kmosyeah.. i mean that one01:08
dholbachok good01:08
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Kmossudo pbuilder build *.dsc --logfile pbuilder.log01:56
Kmosisn't this correct?01:56
Kmosisn't saving the log01:56
jribKmos: I never used that option but try putting *.dsc at the end01:58
Kmosjrib: thx02:03
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Kmosjrib: it worked.. thanks02:05
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xxxxx1mornin' people :)02:13
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TheMusoEvening Hobbsee.02:17
geserHi Hobbsee02:18
ScottKKmos: Is rdiff-backup is Universe or Main?02:19
Hobbseehi02:19
ScottKHello Hobbsee02:19
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geserScottK: main02:20
TheMusoHobbsee, zul, StevenK, ScottK, gpocentek Can I safely assume that native packages, such as those for ubuntustudio, such as ubuntustudio-look, ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-icon-theme, ubuntustudio-meta etc are ok to go through without review, as these are native packages, for use in putting the ubuntuStudio distribution together?02:20
KmosScottK: main02:20
StevenKHmmm02:20
geserHobbsee: are you going to merge texfam?02:20
KmosScottK: Daniel Holbach told me to do the process02:21
ScottKKmos: Then why did you assign MOTU UVF?02:21
ScottKOK.02:21
Kmosask him why02:21
ScottKDo the Main process, not the MOTU process.02:21
StevenKTheMuso: Let me think.02:21
ScottKI except it's because he didn't actually look assuming you had already checked.02:21
ScottKTheMuso: I'm not sure why you would assume that?  I think it bears discussing.02:22
KmosScottK: so I need to assign the bug to which team?02:22
Kmosthere is a main uvf ?02:22
ScottKKmos: I have no idea.02:22
Kmosthere is a main mvf ?02:22
Kmos:)02:22
ScottKI just know it's not us.02:23
TheMusoScottK: This is why I am asking. Maybe safely assuming is not the right words, but I wanted to check with you guys first. The ubuntustudio guys still want to get things such as art etc in, and since these are all native packages...02:23
StevenKKmos: Of course there is.02:23
LongPointyStickit would be *very* helpful if my connection to irc didnt die.02:23
LongPointyStickgeser: i wasnt planning on it02:24
StevenKLongPointyStick: More fun this way.02:24
LongPointyStickStevenK: :)02:24
KmosStevenK: what's the name of it ?02:24
geserKmos: yes, ubuntu-release (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-August/000327.html)02:24
StevenKI think it's -release02:24
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StevenKGah02:24
gpocentekTheMuso: I'm not sure that all of these should be native02:25
Kmosgeser: thx02:25
gpocentekah, nm02:25
gpocentekthat was not the question...02:25
geserLongPointyStick: so I can merge it?02:25
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Hobbsee_TheMuso: well, for ubuntustudio stuff certainly, it's on their own heads, and wont affect the rest of the distro, if htey break it, native packaging or not.02:27
Hobbsee_i wouldnt want to blanket-exclude all native packages, though02:27
Hobbsee_geser: if you wish02:27
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geserTheMuso: I had a similar question about UVF and native packages and IIRC was told to decided based on the changes if it needs an UVFe or not. I don't know if this changed.02:28
TheMusoHobbsee: Well I can certainly give you an assurance of it not breaking too badly, as I will likely be reviewing everything that gets uploaded anyway. I am their point person for uploads.02:28
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HobbseeTheMuso: cool02:28
geserHobbsee, ScottK, StevenK: while we are the topic: does every upload of a native package (strictly speaking it's a new version) to Debian need an UVFe or only for big changes?02:31
StevenKThat's a good question. Strictly speaking it would need a UVFe.02:32
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Hobbseegeser: which also is the same for bzr revisions.02:32
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Hobbseeit really depends how much we trust our MOTU's who are uploading.02:33
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ScottKBut that's always true.  With UVF we are already past the you're a MOTU so we trust you point in the process.02:34
=== ScottK things they should do a UVFe, even if only file a bug and ask "does this one need a UVFe".
geserScottK: but it's still possible to upload/sync new revisions without needing an UVFe02:36
ScottKBut these aren't just revisions.02:37
ScottKDo we need a separate Native Package Freeze?02:37
geserI don't believe that's needed02:38
ScottKTechnically, I guess, native packages aren't "Upstream" versions.02:39
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geserthe question is should one "backport" a bug fix from a native package and upload it as ubuntu1 or do a UVFe. in both cases you get the same source but with diffent versioning.02:40
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geserof course depending on the amount of the changes02:40
geserit's clear that a major rewrite of a native package needs a UVFe but does a e.g. 5-lines-diff need it also?02:42
mok0If someone here has some time to review, please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 and/or http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22? (Re: this month's discussion on the mailing list, I intend to maintain the packages once they have been accepted)02:44
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norsettohello all02:48
geserHi norsetto02:48
norsettogeser: hi :-)02:49
Hobbseegeser: i wouldnt think anything <30 lines or something needed a UVFe, tbh.  the MOTU (and hopeful, if it's a sponsorship) should be able to eyeball that well.02:50
norsettogeser: thx for your note on bug 13368902:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133689 in gobby "Please merge gobby (0.4.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13368902:50
TheMusoOk guys. Would it be easier if I emailed you all and we discussed it that way?02:51
HobbseeTheMuso: probably a good idea02:52
TheMusoOk, will do.02:52
xxxxx1hey norsetto02:52
ryanakcawhats changelog.in for ?02:53
Kmosbug 13383302:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133833 in Ubuntu "Please sync pixman from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13383302:53
Kmosit's valid from experimental ?02:53
norsettoxxxxx1: hi 5x1!02:53
norsettogotta go, wife wants to go shopping ......02:54
ScottKKmos: Why is that package in Experimental and not in Unstable?02:55
geserKmos: yes, it's possible to sync from experimental. And I except that a core-dev knows what he's doing. So the sync is ok.02:55
Kmos:)02:55
Kmoshe didn't subscribe ubuntu-archive02:56
Kmosor any other02:56
HobbseeKmos: which suggests that he still knows what he's doing, and is planning to add more to the bug.02:56
Kmosyes, he added U-A02:57
Kmoschecked activity log02:57
KmosHobbsee: ok02:57
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ThibGhi03:02
HobbseeScottK: clamav ackd'.03:04
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks.03:05
davrobaniakhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7 <== if any MOTU can take 5 mins to take a look at this package, he will receive a virtual hug, :)03:05
ScottKI'm still recreating my pbuilder and such so I can properly test it.03:05
davrobaniakok03:05
HobbseeScottK: as in, i'll blanket-ack that, on the condition that the uploader checks for, and updates, any reverse dependancies as required each time03:05
ThibGIf someone could sync the REVU uploaders keyring, please :)03:05
TheMusoOk, email sent.03:07
ScottKHobbsee: This is a bugfix update, so there shouldn't be any rdepends issues like there were going 0.8x to 0.9x.  The only new feature defaults off and I'm not turning it on.03:08
Hobbseeyeah - i was meaning for clamav in general03:08
ScottKOK.  I completely understand about the rdepends concerns.03:08
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ScottKI need to go take my dog to the vet, but if someone would have a look at why my pbuilder creation fails: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34523 I'd really appreciate it.03:09
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ScottKThe box in question is a fresh install running Gutsy.03:10
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ThibGI've not used pbuilder for long, but you should try to manually unmount /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/proc and /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/sys, before retrying... You can also use lsof to see if something is using it03:15
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ThibGScottK,03:15
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zuldo do do03:21
_MMA_da da da03:23
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ScottKThibG: Thanks.03:43
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ThibGScottK, does it work ?03:55
ScottKIt's busy with something.  I haven't figured out what yet.03:55
ThibGanother shell ?03:56
ThibGIn the worst case, reboot, it'll not be mounted at boot time03:57
ScottKI haven't figured out the right combination of lsof and grep to yield an interesting result yet.03:57
ScottKYes, but I've tried that before and get the same failure.03:57
ThibGer... strange03:57
ScottKYeah.03:57
ScottKI had rebuilt this install doing an experimental (I know it's not supported) Dapper --> Gutsy direct upgrade.  I ran into this problem and couldn't sort it.  I assumed it was some artifact of my odd upgrade and re-installed fresh.  Same problem.03:58
ThibGwhat's the output of mount ?04:00
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ScottK2ThibG: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34526/04:04
ThibGthat looks ok...04:05
ThibGand the output of lsof /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/ ?04:07
ScottK2Nothing04:08
ThibGok04:08
ThibGdoes /var/cache/pbuilder/build/7009 contain anything?04:08
ScottK2I just tried umount again and now it claims it's not mounted04:08
ScottK2It did earlier.04:09
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ScottK2It still has proc/ and sys/04:09
ThibGand are proc/ and sys/ empty ?04:09
ScottK2no04:10
ThibGhm ok04:10
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ThibGyou could try pbuilder clean, now, since proc/ and sys/ are not mounted04:11
ScottK2"/proc in the chroot appears identical to the real /proc04:11
ScottK2OK.  I'll try that04:11
ScottK2That fails too.  I'm using a script to call pbuilder that I didn't write.  I'll try again without the script and see how that goes.04:13
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ScottKSame problem with just pbuilder directly.  Urgh.04:37
ThibGthat's strange... looks like that /proc is binded to proc/, but you can't unmount it...04:38
ScottKYes.04:38
ScottKThat's exactly what it looks like to me.04:38
ScottKThe last pbuilder update was a month ago, so I expect if it was broken, we'd know.04:38
ThibGto me, that's not related to pbuilder itself, but to the kernel04:39
toutouffHi04:39
ScottKHi toutouff.04:39
zuldholbach: welcome back btw04:39
toutouffI have package where the .desktop file is not in the debian/ dir. Am I authorized to edit in anyway ?04:40
dholbachzul: thanks04:40
ScottKThibG: I'm working my way from not scary ideas to scary ideas.04:40
toutouffs/edit in/edit it/04:40
ThibGScottK, hm... it is saying that it isn't mounted, or that it can't be unmounted ?04:43
ScottKalready mounted.04:43
ThibGand if you try umount ?04:44
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ScottK2http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34529/04:45
ThibGI remember having a similar problem with a chroot on edgy eft04:45
ThibGgetty opened a file descriptor on the chroot/proc and chroot/sys directories... I had to reboot04:47
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ScottKUrgh.  Well I started this install on an Edgy server CD because that's what I could find, so maybe I've got the same problem.04:53
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ThibGScottK, I upgrade since dapper, and it happened only one time04:59
ScottKOK.05:00
ScottKThis happens every time. so not the same thing I'm sure then.05:00
ScottKThanks for all your help.  I'm not quite sure what to try next.05:01
ThibGI'm sorry I can't help you, I'm on Feisty, and I can't see why it won't unmount...05:02
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ScottKNo problem.  I really do appreciate the help so far.05:02
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ryanakcahmm. how would one fix bug 132587 ? have rules go into each dir and run make manually? plain old ./configure && make && make install works fine.05:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13258705:06
ryanakcaAnd... shouldn't all packages have a 'compat' file, instead of "export DH_COMPAT=4"05:08
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geserryanakca: both ways worked but IIRC the export version is deprecated now (and gives a linda/lintian warning or error)05:11
ryanakcaok, so, update it. And, shouldn't it be 5 now?05:12
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geserchange it only to 5 when you know that it doesn't break the package05:14
ryanakcaok. and the bug?05:14
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geserryanakca: when fixing a bug update debian/compat only when needed (to keep the Ubuntu-Debian delta small). Don't forget to also update the debhelper build-dependency when bumping it to 505:18
ryanakcaok05:19
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geserryanakca: "make install" installs the missing fonts correctly?05:20
geserthen try to find out if the get correctly installed in debian/tmp (or debian/pkgname) and don't end in the package05:21
ryanakcaok05:22
geserinteresting: according to the Contents files, the Debian package contains the fonts, but not the Ubuntu package05:23
geserdid we somehow managed to break it?05:24
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ryanakcahmm. methinks it's a gutsy problem.05:27
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geserryanakca: I guess it's a bashism in debian/rules05:29
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gesercan you check if "cp -p data/fonts/[^CM] * debian/bzflag/usr/share/bzflag/fonts/" in dash?05:29
ryanakcajust in a fresh source?05:30
ryanakcaor after make ?05:30
geserjust checked with "ls -l [^CM] *" in some random dir05:31
geserbash lists correct all files not starting with C or M05:31
ryanakcabut dash shows the opposite05:31
geserdash lists files starting with C or M (I guess it would list files with ^ if I had one)05:31
geserinstead of copying the fonts it copies the Makefile05:32
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ryanakcaok.05:32
ryanakcaSo, all I need to do is figure out the correct dash format05:33
geseryes05:33
ryanakcacheers, and thanks :)05:33
geserand please file it in the Debian BTS to05:33
gesertoo05:33
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geserit's a bug in Debian too, if debian/rules contains bashism05:34
ryanakcayep05:35
ryanakcaI assume it's too late to submit to debian and then sync/merge?05:36
geserit's still ok to merge/sync if only the revision changes05:36
ryanakcaok05:37
ryanakcagoodies :)05:37
ScottKAnd exceptions are still fairly liberal if you need one.05:37
geserryanakca: using data/fonts/[!CM] * should work both in bash and dash05:38
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ThibGhm... Can someone sync uploaders keyring for REVU please?05:40
ryanakcageser: thanks05:40
ryanakcawhy does "-cp -p data/[!CM] * debian/$@/usr/share/bzflag/" start with a hyphen? (line 68 of rules)05:42
geserit has something to do with make, IIRC make ignores the exitcode from those calls05:43
mok0ryanakca: yes, make ignores error codes05:43
ryanakcaah, ok, thanks05:44
mok0ryanakca: it is better to use cp -r05:44
mok0cp -f05:44
mok0cp -f NOT cp -r05:45
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ryanakcaok05:49
ryanakcamok0: (instead of 'cp -p' ? or is that instead of the '-cp -p'?)05:49
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geserI guess 'cp -pf' instead of '-cp -p'05:51
mok0ryanakca: cp -pf05:52
mok0ryanakca: The -f should basically do what "-cp" does, except it is cp that handles errors. You only want to ignore the error if the files exist already, not ALL errors05:53
ryanakcaok.05:54
ryanakcaand, for the debian bug, do I just call it 'bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included', or 'Bashisms in debian/rules'?05:55
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geserthe later05:55
ryanakcaand do they care if it doesn't build for Ubuntu? Or do I just mark it as a normal/minor bug because it builds on debian, just not for us.05:56
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azeemwhat are bashisms in debian/rules?  I thought debian/rules is supposed to be a Makefile?05:58
Toadstoolazeem: make uses /bin/sh to execute shell commands05:58
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Toadstoolg'morning everybody05:58
geserazeem: how would call using bash extenstion in shell calls from a Makefile?05:59
azeemI See05:59
geserryanakca: I would file the bug as normal, as it's a bug but doesn't make the build fail for Debian06:00
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mok0When doing apt-get upgrade in gutsy, I occasionally get the following message: (Reading database ... Error in select()06:08
mok0                                       195539 files and directories currently installed.)06:08
mok0... and then I apparently have to hit <CR> to get it to continue06:09
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leonelscottK   new clamav version   no security updates  only bug fixes and extra support06:23
ScottKleonel: I'm working on it now.  I've already got the UVF exception approved.06:24
ScottKThanks for your confirmation that there's no security issues.06:24
leonelscottK that's for  .. gutsy ?06:24
ScottKYes.06:24
leonelgreat06:24
ScottKI'll wait until we sync from Debian to request another backport.06:25
ryanakcahmm. What package do I need as depends for "checking for mysql_real_connect in -lmysqlclient... no" ?06:25
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geserryanakca: have you tried libmysqlclient15-dev already?06:27
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ScottKleonel: Uploaded and accepted.06:48
leonelGUUUUD !06:50
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pirasthi, i have a .dsc .diff and .orig.tar.gz. now i want to extract the orig.tar.gz and apply the diff on it. i know that there is a command that does this but i forgot what it's name like. please help07:41
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mok0dpkg-source -x07:41
pirastmok0 thx07:41
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mok0What are the conventions concerning the ~ component of the release? How does it sort?07:45
Ngapologies for my lack of familiarity with the MOTU mojo. I've just come across a universe related bug in gutsy and it's already filed in LP and there is even a patch. Can I do anything to help it get fixed before release? :)07:47
xtknightNg, hmm out of curiosity which Bug #?07:47
ScottKmok0: You mean Main/Restricted and Universe/Multiverse?07:47
Ngxtknight: #13033407:47
xtknightBug 13033407:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130334 in service-discovery-applet "[Gutsy]  xvncviewer support broken by new version 4.1.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13033407:47
mok0Errr, I don't know, I've just seen that people have started using it07:48
ScottKmok0: What context?07:48
mok0ScottK: I am considering the situation where I am packaging software for my own site, which I at some later point may get into the distro.07:49
ScottKOK.07:49
mok0I can't use -0mok1 ... etc07:49
ScottKI see.07:49
mok0,,, but I might use -0ubuntu1~mok1 (?)07:50
ScottKJust what I was about to type.07:50
ScottK1~mokwhatever will always be lower than 1.07:50
mok0...so anything without a tilde is sorted first?07:50
xtknightNg, well after a patch is applied the bug should be set to Confirmed (i believe, it already it is), and subscribed to whoever is the sponsor for that package's component07:50
mok0ScottK: hehe, thanks07:50
ScottKxtknight: Is it a patch or a debdiff?07:51
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xtknightScottK, only a patch07:51
xtknighti could try to make a debdiff out of it07:51
Ngxtknight: would that be the person listed as "Uploaded By" in LP?07:51
ScottKThe subscribing the sponsors (UUS/UMW) would be premature.  It needs to be packaged into a debdiff first.07:52
ScottKNg: No.07:52
xtknightNg, ok essentially somebody must put it into the proper format before it is given to the "higher ups".07:52
ScottKNg: It's ubuntu-universe-sponsors or ubuntu-main-sponsors depending on where the package is.07:52
xtknighti can give it a shot no guarantees though07:52
Ngok07:53
ScottKxtknight: Make sure you are patching the Gutsy version of the package.07:53
Ngit's hard;y the most important bug in the world, but the patch is so tiny that it'd be a shame not to get it in :)07:53
xtknightScottK, ok07:53
norsettoScottK: anything else required in bug 133689 ?07:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133689 in gobby "Please merge gobby (0.4.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13368907:53
ScottKNg: Thank you for coming and contributing.07:53
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NgScottK: no no no, thank you all for your hard work :)07:54
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ScottKnorsetto: Acked07:58
norsettoScottK: thx07:58
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xxxxx1ScottK, can you take a look at bug #69438 ?08:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 69438 in apticron "Bashism in /etc/cron.daily/apticron" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6943808:03
leonelScottK where can I get the  deb src for  clamav 0.91.2 for gutsy08:03
pkernCould someone tell me how to interpret "component-mismatches.txt"? If a package is listed in "source and binary promotions to main", did the promotion fail?08:03
ScottKxxxxx1: Not now.  Sorry.08:04
xxxxx1np.08:04
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ScottKleonel: It's just been uploaded.  Give it some time for the repositories to replicate.08:05
ScottKleonel: Or from LP https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/0.91.2-0ubuntu108:05
leonelscottK then  will be here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/clamav/ ??08:05
ScottKYes.  Eventually.08:05
leonelok  thanks08:05
ScottKBTW, I did not enable the new feature by default.  If you want to change that, you'll have to change the clamd.conf.08:06
geserpkern: which package exactly?08:06
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pkerngeser: net6/obby/gobby08:07
geserlooking at it I'd say the part "Source and binary promotions to main" list packages which need to be moved to main08:11
geserchecking with LP gobby was today for 5 hours in main, net6 and obby never left universe08:11
leonelscottK Ok08:12
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xtknightNg, what are the steps to reproduce this bug?08:15
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xtknighthe patched service-discovery-applet (which calls vncviewer) but i dont see how to initiate this08:17
ScottKxxxxx1: Don't mangle the maintainer for an Edgy SRU and edit out the spurious po file changes.08:18
xxxxx1ScottK, the po files are not changed by me08:19
xxxxx1it's automatic when you run dpkg-build..08:19
ScottKI know.  Edit them out of the debdiff.08:19
ScottKBefore you upload the new one.08:19
ScottKThat was not a thorough review BTW, just stuff that lept out at me in the 30 seconds I had.08:20
xxxxx1i'll remove the maintainer08:21
pkerngeser: So there's a missing net6 and obby promotion?08:22
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xxxxx1ScottK, well.. since it don't need the maintainer change we can use jdong's debdiff instead08:24
xxxxx1:)08:24
ScottKThen please delete yours and comment why.08:26
ScottKThe Dapper/Edgy toolchain have not been tested with the mangled maintainers and so for those releases you don't change them.08:27
leonelscottK gutsy's clamav  0.91.2  builds and works  fine in Feisty ..08:27
xxxxx1ScottK, thanks to point me08:27
ScottKleonel: Yes.  I have it running on my test mail server.08:28
xxxxx1ScottK, done. :)08:29
leonelscottK now for dapper  ... backport  the  package from kitterman.com/clamav08:30
leonel?08:30
ScottKNot today (busy).08:30
leonelI mean   I can do it  just  asking if that's the better way to go08:31
geserpkern: at least, but I don't know the current status for gobby either (if it gets promoted or not)08:31
leonelscottK ?08:31
ScottKleonel: I won't get to it today.  If you want to do an updated package for dapper, just mail me the diff.gz and the .dsc and I'll put it up there.08:32
ScottKGotta run.  Back later.08:32
leonelok i will08:32
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pkerngeser: But who could I ask about that?08:38
pkernThe binary package list on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gobby looks weird.08:38
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Supremushey08:47
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sistpotyhi folks09:06
nixternalhiya sistpoty09:06
sistpotyhi nixternal09:06
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xtknightwhen im making a debdiff of someone else's patch, who should the author be in the changelog?09:24
xtknighti assume, mine with a mention of original patch author?09:24
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ScottKYes.  Your name at the bottom of the changelog entry and then mention who did the patch in your changelog item about the patch.09:26
xtknightk09:26
Ngxtknight: you'll need a device which announces an mDNS vnc service. not sure of anything linuxy which does that, but a Mac will09:26
ScottKAvahi won't do that too?09:27
xtknightNg, the patch author responded with some steps which i will try09:27
ScottKPersonally I don't think anyone needs mDNS.09:27
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xtknightbut ya he mentioned Avahi also09:27
ScottKThat's what Ubuntu uses.09:28
ScottKIt's installed by default.09:28
xtknighthmm09:29
xtknightavahi is "zeroconf service discovery"?09:29
ScottKThus ensuring an endless stream of pointless queries to the root DNS servers.09:29
ScottKSounds right.09:29
ScottKI only know enough about it to think we shouldn't have it.09:29
xtknighthehe09:29
xtknightNg, when i  click on my local VNC server i get a password box that doesnt respond to any of my keys09:33
xtknighteven with patch.?09:33
xtknight(besides the fact that my vnc server shows up three times)09:34
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Ngxtknight: keys? it should just be the vnc password09:35
xtknightNg, i cant type anything09:35
xtknightNg, when i press enter nothing happens, nothing registers in the textbox09:35
xtknightbut this is with the old vncviewer309:36
Ngstrange, it's just spawning xvncviewer09:36
Ngthat'll be it then I expect09:36
NgI bet it would work for you without the patch09:36
xtknightNg, however running vncviewer 3 as normal..the passwd dialog here works as expected09:36
Ngso this is less simple than it seemed, some version detection could well be required :/09:36
xtknighthmm09:36
xtknightwhat is by default? 3 or 4?09:36
moquisthaving trouble recovering my REVU password09:36
moquistunless my new password really is "None"...09:37
xtknightya VNC 4.11 shows a big dialog box of parameters indicating an incorrect command line but this is even with the patch09:37
xtknightwell let me check that really quick..09:37
porthoseme also having trouble recovering my REVU password09:37
mok0porthose: you have to re-upload a package09:38
porthoseI have09:38
moquistOh, right. That first.09:38
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xtknightoh, do i need to recompile the python script or something?  there are pyc files09:38
mok0then you press recover and decrypt the text that appears09:38
moquistBTW, http://revu.tauware.de/index.py mentions the "Utnubu team". Perhaps a spelling change is in order? (This was on the old server, too...)09:39
ScottKThat's correct.09:39
xtknightNg, have you gotten this patch to work?  i apologize for my ignorance on this issue but ive never worked with python, and i tried using py_compilefiles and the patch still isn't working.09:39
ScottKNote that it's Ubuntu reversed.09:39
mok0moquist: it's ubuntu backwards :-)09:39
ScottKThat team's goal is to get Ubuntu stuff back up into Debian.09:40
moquistohhhhhhh. er, ok.09:40
moquistHeh. OK, it's clever.09:40
moquistHas my GPG key already been added to the REVU keyring, or do I need to do that again, too?09:40
Ngxtknight: It worked for me with vnc4, but I didn't test 3. you shouldn't need to recompile anything. I don't have a mac here to test with, I'll try tomorrow09:41
leonelscottK  following  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate     when I do   debuils -S -sa  stops because it can't apply the patches09:41
ThibGHm... I've made a package for my own software, and I sent it to mentors.debian.net... Should I post it to REVU?09:41
moquistOr maybe that's a LP thing, so unchanged.09:41
moquistThibG: I think that's the idea, yeah.09:41
xtknightNg, it appears you must reload the applet, so i think i've got it;l09:42
ScottKleonel: Do you have dpatch installed?09:42
mok0moquist: dpatch *rocks*09:42
ScottKThibG: Are you trying to get it into Debian or Ubuntu?09:42
leonelscottK yes09:42
ScottKOdd.09:42
porthosemol0: tried to decrypt with this error messag gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.09:42
porthosegpg: decrypt_message failed: eof09:42
ThibGScottK, both09:42
ScottKThen change the distro/version for Ubuntu and upload it to REVU, yes.09:43
ThibGok09:43
ThibG-1 to -0ubuntu1 and unstable to gutsy?09:43
ScottKleonel: Dunno what to tell you as debuild is what I used.09:43
ScottKThibG: Yes.09:43
ScottKAlthough we are very near the new package freeze for Gutsy.09:43
xtknightNg, on cancelling the vnc dialog, an error message comes up as well.  so i suppose more mods are needed09:44
ScottKJust so you know.09:44
leonelscottK ok thanks  I'll keep diggin09:44
moquistmok0: I don't disagree, but why are you telling me about dpatch?09:44
ScottKleonel: Also it's already built on the buildd for amd64 so I'm pretty sure the package is not broadly broken.09:44
leonelscottK for dapper ?09:45
ScottKAh.09:45
ScottKNo, I haven't done dapper.09:46
ThibGWhen my package is uploaded, am I notified in any way?09:46
leonelscottK I've used the packages  0.91.1  from your site  and  tried to do the upgrade09:46
leonelfor dapper09:46
ScottKHmmmm09:46
ScottKNot sure what to tell you.09:46
ScottKI'd expect that it just needs the same debian/control changes that 91.1 needed.09:46
ThibG(can't find it in "Current uploads")09:46
leonelscottK ok thanks09:47
ScottKThibG: It takes several minutes for it to appear.09:47
ThibGok09:47
sistpotyporthose: what package did you upload to revu?09:49
sistpoty(just to find some point to debug your key problem=09:49
xtknightNg, sorry, i dont know how to fix this.  so i will comment and say that there needs to be version detection.09:49
xtknightNg, if a new patch is available i will be glad to test it and make a debdiff to get it uploaded09:50
porthosesistpoty: ampache09:50
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mok0xtknight: what does "Ng" mean?09:50
xtknightmok0, it's his nickname09:51
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mok0xtknight: he's pretty silent though :-)09:52
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xtknightNg, actually vncviewer 3 also works fine with the patch/asks for a pw09:54
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sistpotyporthose: can't find any error here... can you generally decrypt messages with the key 0x6F45F3B6 ?09:58
porthoseYes have decrypted two messages with it09:59
porthoseshould I just generate another and start over09:59
sistpotyporthose: what does the lostpw thingy give you? "None" as password?09:59
leonelscottk   this is the error  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34560/10:00
sistpotyporthose: or some gpg error message?10:00
ScottKleonel: Looking10:00
porthoseIt just gives me this error message gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found and gpg: decrypt _message failed: eot and thats it10:01
ScottKleonel: Very odd.  I have no idea why that would be.10:01
leonelok  I'll keep on it10:01
ThibGMy package doesn't appears on revu... Maybe the keyring hasn't been synced since I'm registered?10:02
sistpotyporthose: hm... can you try to copy the message to a file and do a "gpg -d file" then?10:02
porthosesistpoty:  sure give me a sec10:03
sistpotyThibG: what's your keyid (the one registered in LP?)10:03
sistpoty(too lazy to look for myself now *g*)10:03
ThibGF9EC5CF910:03
highvolt1geoooh, press those mouse buttons baby10:04
sistpotyThibG: no, isn't in revu's keyring yet... I'll import it in a second10:05
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ThibGok, thanks, sistpoty10:05
sistpotyThibG: np... you're a member of ubuntu-universe-contributors and have this key registered on LP? (because I'll then do a quick import of your key and not run the sync script again which takes longer than one hour now=10:07
ThibGyes10:07
sistpotyexcellent!10:07
sistpotyThibG: done... I'll see if I find any package in rejected and put it back to incoming10:08
porthosesistpoty: I get gpg:  encrpted with ELG-E key, ID D15D1A94 and gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available, I am assuming that the problem in on my end10:08
porthosesistpoty: I do a gpg --list-keys and my secret key is there10:09
sistpotyporthose: if only I were a gpg expert *g*... I'll take a look if I can find anything suspicious, but I guess it's a problem on your side10:10
ScottKporthose: IIRC when I had a problem like that changing my gpg.conf to add "use-agent", installing gpg-agent, and restarting solved it.10:11
ThibGsistpoty, scolily_0.4-0ubuntu1 is rejected I think10:11
porthoseScottK: will try10:11
sistpotyporthose: hm... probably s.th. is outdated somewhere, because I see (on my box) that the elg-e for 6F45F3B6 should be BD0CABAA10:11
sistpotyso how would revu take d15d1a94 to encrypt the message then?10:12
sistpotyporthose: I'll just mail the pw to you, ok?10:12
porthosesistpoty: k10:12
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porthosesistpoty: thanks for all your help10:14
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sistpotyporthose: no problem10:14
porthoseScottK: thanks for your help also10:14
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sistpotyporthose: ok, mail sent... let's hope you can decrypt the mail *g* (and that your mta won't reject mails from my dynip)10:17
porthosesistpoty:  my fingers are crossed, thanks again10:18
sistpotyyou're welcome10:18
ThibGthanks sistpoty :)10:20
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sistpotyThibG: no problem10:21
porthosesistpoty:  got it with no problems10:22
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sistpotyporthose: cool :)10:22
sistpotyhm... just found a newly introduced security problem with this revu instance I setup at the WE: running a script as root and making it editable by the whole group is a bad idea10:24
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geserpkern: ask pitti or iwj in #ubuntu-devel about it, they both handle the MIRs10:34
=== leonel slaps leonel for trying to do the upgrade with a bad downloaded package ...
leonelscottk  now fixing DetectPUA ...10:43
ScottKAh.10:44
ScottKWhat was the problem?10:44
leonelScottk:  I was using  a feisty package   not the package  you made  ..   DOH!10:46
ScottKAh.10:46
ScottKStuff happens.10:46
leonelscottk:  this is  now the error   Unhandled option(clamd.conf): DetectPUA10:47
ScottKleonel: Did you use the modified clamav-base.postinst.in in my package?10:48
ScottKI had to change that.10:48
leonelI'm looking at it10:48
leonelfor  gutsy ?10:49
ScottKYes.  In the new 0.91.2 package.10:49
leonellookin10:50
leonelg10:50
ajmitchmorning10:50
geserHi ajmitch10:50
ScottKHello ajmitch.10:51
sistpotyhi ajmitch10:52
norsettomorning10:52
leonelscottk building ...10:53
leonel\o/  Whoo hoo !10:53
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xxxxx1bye all10:59
ajmitchoh dear11:03
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ajmitchsistpoty: you sent in your retirement email, it's a sad day11:03
norsettohe will be back .....11:07
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sistpotyajmitch: you went get rid of me that fast though :P11:10
ajmitchsistpoty: no I don't :P11:11
sistpotyhehe11:11
gesernorsetto: did you simply forget to subscribe u-u-s to bug #133736 or does it wait for something?11:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 133736 in battleball "Please merge battleball (2.0-16) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13373611:13
norsettogeser: just alzhaimer :-(11:14
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gesernorsetto: u-u-s is subscribed now11:16
norsettogeser: yeah, I just did that11:17
norsettogeser: thx for spotting that11:17
gesernp11:17
geserit's a shame that patches get lost in LP unnoticed by the MOTUs11:18
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norsettogeser: yes, my bad11:22
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gesernorsetto: I've seen gobby is back to u-u-s for upload. Are you aware that gobby is on the edge to move to main?11:24
norsettogeser: well, saw some exchange on ubuntu-devel few hours ago11:24
geserSo you might want to hurry to find a MOTU for the upload else you might need to find a core-dev.11:24
norsettogeser: I think I see one just here :-)11:25
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geserSorry, I have no time right now. I write an exam tomorrow and want to look over my notes again.11:26
norsettogeser: hmmm, about what?11:26
geserLinear Algebra11:27
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norsettogeser: hmmm, what is a sparse matrix?11:27
jribok to add "DebianImportFreeze, FeatureFreeze, UpstreamVersionFreeze, UVF Universe" to "Current Freezes" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?11:27
sistpotynorsetto: a triangle one (with zero's in one triangle)? (hardly remembering any math though)11:28
norsettosistpoty: no :-)11:28
sistpotyhe11:29
ScottKjrib: Where were you going ot add it?  We already have the freeze exception process linked there.11:29
jribScottK: the current page says "Current Freezes: none"11:29
ScottKAh.11:29
ScottKI'd say go for it.11:30
gesernorsetto: I need to know more in the direction of calculation of eigenvalues of a matrix and similar things11:30
norsettogeser: ok, so its a basic one?11:30
sistpotyoh, nice... used to know that once, about 5 years ago *g*11:30
ajmitchgeser: lucky you :)11:32
sistpotybut I must admit, that I flunked math1/2 (first two terms) once, and math3/4 (2nd two terms) twice11:32
norsettogeser: whats wrong with this: [2 3 1; 7 3 2; 4 6 2]  eigenvalueswise?11:32
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sistpotyhehe11:34
sistpotynorsetto: don't rob geser of his confidence in the exams :P11:35
norsettosistpoty: if you keep laughing I'll ask you how to stabilise a system with a double pole in the forward branch .....11:35
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leonelscottk dapper's clamav  0.91.2  builded   I'll test it  later   be back11:41
ajmitchthis phone is great, it even has top, lsof, strace & gdb on the root fs11:43
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ajmitchnorsetto: in darkness11:44
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mok0_norsetto: check if those eigenvectors are orthogonal11:45
norsettomok0: hey, don't ruin my exam question!11:46
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mok0_norsetto: sorry11:46
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mok0_norsetto:  Should've read the scroll-back... :-(11:47
blueyedHi11:48
blueyedIs there a possibility to remove a package from universe? See bug 178011:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1780 in apt-spy "apt-spy does not have ubuntu mirror listing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/178011:48
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chantrahi there, I can't get to recover my password :s can you help me out12:02
chantrai type:12:02
chantragpg -d <<EOT12:02
sistpotychantra: have you uploaded a package to revu yet?12:02
chantra--... BEGIN ...--12:02
chantraonce upon a time sistpoty12:02
chantraup to -- .. END .. ---12:02
sistpotychantra: to the new revu instance?12:02
chantrabut I can't get it to work12:02
chantranope, only the old one12:03
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chantraI thought the recover was to recover those od accounts also12:03
sistpotychantra: then you don't have an account yet (as you could only comment to your own uploaded packages then anyways)12:03
sistpotychantra: no, all old accounts have been deleted, but you'll get a fresh new one, once you'll upload a package ;)12:03
chantraok12:04
chantraonce uploaded, do I receive an email?12:04
chantraOnce you have uploaded a package to REVU, a password will be created for you. To get it, enter your e-mail address into the login box, leaving the password field blank, and click Login. Click Recover, and REVU will display an encrypted message with your password in it.12:04
chantraok :)12:04
sistpotychantra: unlikely, there is a long standing bug in the email interface creating emails for first time uploads12:04
sistpoty(which never was taken care of, because it doesn't interfere with processing uploads *g*)12:05
chantra:)12:05
chantrawell, uploading, will see then12:06
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chantracheers sistpoty12:06
ajmitchI suppose I don't get emails from the process uploads cron job anymore12:06
sistpotychantra: please only upload, if you've got s.th. to review... space is limited on sparky12:06
sistpotynp12:06
chantrasistpoty: I had this port of system-config-lvm from fedora12:07
mok0sispoty: is revu open source?12:07
chantraI ported it a while ago12:07
ajmitchmok0: always has been12:07
sistpotymok0: yes... somewhere on lp, anyone got a link?12:07
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sistpoty(code of revu-hackers group=12:08
ajmitchhttps://code.launchpad.net/revu12:08
ajmitch'trunk' is the branch to grab, I think12:08
chantrasistpoty: even though ubuntu is not "lvm ready" yet (I mean out of the box), I thought it might interest some people12:08
mok0ajmitch: great, thx. I'm curious to take a look...12:09
sistpotychantra: I only wanted you to not upload *just* to get an account back... if you've got a package, fire it up ;)12:10
sistpotymok0: revu1 is a pain to setup though... lot's of hardcoded pathes and ugly code ;)12:10
mok0So, assuming I wanted to contribute, I would create a branch?12:10
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norsettowouldn't make more sense to work on revu2?12:14
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sistpotynorsetto: yes and no, as we've got some new ideas for revu2 and want to rework quite some parts12:16
sistpotymok0: bzr branch <url>12:16
mok0sistpoty: errr, I do that from my machine?12:16
sistpotymok0: whereever you want to create your branche12:16
sistpoty-e12:17
norsettomok0: you do have bzr on your machine?12:17
sistpoty(though I must admit, that I usually ask around here for advanced bzr stuff, because I'm still a novel user)12:17
mok0norsetto: dunno. I use git these days12:18
RAOFmok0: Then you'll be pretty familiar with bzr.12:18
mok0RAOF: U mean same UI?12:19
sistpotymok0: try typing bzr? *g*12:19
mok0sistpoty: I'll have to apt-get it12:20
sistpotymok0: so do it :P12:20
RAOFmok0: Same workflow.  Branch (clone), [work, commit] *, push12:20
norsettomok0: just in case you need a quickstart guide: http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr12:20
mok0Great, thanks!12:21
mok0So what is the url, exactly... is that the one from LP?12:22
sistpotynorsetto: nice... does ubotu know about this yet?12:22
sistpotymok0: yes (the one displayed in the page=12:22
RAOFmok0: Yup.  You can also "bzr branch lp://revu", I think.12:22
norsettosistpoty: not that I know12:22
sistpoty!bzr12:23
ubotubzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.12:23
jribHi, does anyone have a few minutes to review the package for the python reverend module? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2412:23
RAOFmok0: Sorry, "bzr branch lp:revu"12:23
ajmitchRAOF: 'same' workflow, except bzr makes sense :)12:23
sistpotyhm... anyone who can teach this to ubotu?12:23
ajmitchRAOF: that doesn't look like it'd have enough info to get a branch12:23
RAOFajmitch: If there's a trunc associated with a project, it is.12:23
jribsistpoty: the quick start guide?12:23
sistpotyjrib: yes12:24
ajmitchgiven that a branch is person/project/branchname12:24
ajmitchRAOF: if there are multiple branches named trunk?12:24
norsetto!help12:24
norsetto!I need somebody12:24
mok0RAOF: "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: https://code.launchpad.net/revu/"12:24
RAOFajmitch: There's some way to associate a particular branch as the main branch.12:24
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots12:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i need somebody - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:24
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RAOFmok0: Yeah, sorry.  Revu doesn't have the needed setup for that (joybot does :))12:25
RAOFmok0: You'll want to use the url provided from the code page.12:25
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jrib!bzr | sistpoty12:26
ubotusistpoty: bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.  See http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr for a quickstart guide.12:26
sistpotythanks jrib!12:26
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mok0RAOF: Still can't get it12:27
sistpotymok0: you'll need to get one of the branches listed on code.lp.net/revu, e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk (for the one being currently in use=12:28
mok0that doesnt work12:28
mok0bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk/12:28
mok0Ooops. Got it now12:28
sistpotymok0: sorry, wrong again, click on the link, then you'll get the url...12:29
RAOFmok0: You're running "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk"L12:29
RAOFs/L/?12:29
mok0RAOF: LOL got it now12:29
norsettohmmmm, outdated factoid12:30
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norsetto!mentors12:30
ubotufor initial mentoring to introduce you to the MOTU world check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors12:30
norsettothe way it is written this should actually point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor12:32

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