=== Jazzva|away is now known as Jazzva [12:35] good night all, the bad, the goods and the uglies too === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva is now known as Jazzva|away === Lure [n=lure@dhcp65-74-212-118.airport.aus.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sooth [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242357234.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-159.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lmr [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@pc194.host6.starman.ee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@200.75.192.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Can someone check what files are installed by libxmlrpc-c3/gutsy for me? [01:21] sooth: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libxmlrpc-c3&version=gutsy&arch=i386 [01:24] Does that look normal? [01:24] leonel ^ [01:27] MOTO guys! [01:27] check this plasma applet : http://www.mayeco.org/moodbar_plasma.png [01:27] :D [01:27] *MOTU [01:27] sooth: maybe you can contact Barry deFreese [01:28] leonel: He's debian maintainer of the package? [01:28] leonel: Anyway, that's a bug right? [01:28] at least the last update for ubuntu === valles_ [n=valles@200.71.131.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] What is the command to list the installed files of a package? [01:33] dpkg -L [01:33] TheMuso: Thanks === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] does anybody have the build-depends for the debian/control for pidgin-2.1.1? [01:48] mrigns: Is it going to be different than 2.1.0? [01:50] Are old versions of packages available somewhere? === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cyr@201-41-181-163.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === valles_ [n=valles@200.71.131.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF is back from a lightning visit to Hobart. === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] POX_: ping! Any more comments re: miro package? I think I'll add a recommends on libxine1-ffmpeg, but anything apart from that? [02:53] RAOF: And how was Hobart? [02:54] RAOF: Aside from disturbing, it being in Tasmania. :-P [02:54] StevenK: Hobart was beautiful as ever. [02:55] StevenK: It's really wonderful, I love it. [02:58] Also, my Grandmother wasn't nearly as ill as I'd feared. [02:59] Well, that is good news. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] Yes. === robitaille_ [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK kicks Windows and FAT32 === RAOF laughs unsympahtetically. That system can't even handle files >2Gb [03:10] depends on what version/revision really? [03:10] Where does the UVF procedure live? === StevenK wants to lambast a sync filer. [03:11] CategoryMOTU hopefully :-) [03:11] wow. even more blu lights. [03:12] blue even [03:12] Nafallo: No, FAT32 doesn't support files >2Gb. === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@125.212.15.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva|away is now known as Jazzva === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] Hi, if anyone would like to comment on === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=24, I would appreciate it. Thanks. (ScottK, you've been very helpful with this package so far. I think I've addressed the issues in your last comment before revu went down, but would still like your input whenever you get a chance.) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=weechat@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] good day [03:38] jrib: interested in bringing the package back to debian? [03:38] !info reverend sid [03:38] Package reverend does not exist in sid [03:39] white: yep, once I get it into ubuntu, I'm going to visit utnubu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] jrib: feel free to write an ITP and send it to the -debian-mentors@l.d.o. list [03:40] jrib: you can also sync from debian to ubuntu, which might be easier ;) [03:42] white: thanks, I think the next package, I'll try going that route from the start to compare [03:45] jrib: you are welcome === annodomini [n=bpc@pool-71-169-144-111.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === annodomini_ [n=bpc@pool-71-169-140-20.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva is now known as Jazzva|away [04:22] white: At this point it's probably to late to go through Debian for Gutsy as packages would have to be out of Debian NEW to be synced by 30 Aug. [04:23] I would encourage people to work on pushing stuff into Debian. [04:23] For Feisty I had several new packages in Ubuntu and by the time the Gutsy repos opened I had them all in Debian (or someone else was working on it). === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.168.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.249.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N726P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-169-204.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === sooth [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242357234.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["No] === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] [06:27] iii/c [06:27] ugh [06:32] I guess someone eventually had to say something. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === soulrider [n=mauro@r190-64-135-124.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] hello [06:37] Hello [06:37] i am currently programmin an application, and i would like to know what steps i need to follow to be able to distribute it to ubuntu users [06:37] its not quite ready yet though [06:38] Do you have any experience with the Debian package management system? [06:38] i would also like to know about quality standards etc === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] ScottK, just a bit, i have compiled and i have amde some deb packages [06:38] but this is a python app, you dont really compile it [06:38] i also dont really know in which directory it should be installed [06:38] Python apps still can/should be packaged. [06:39] soulrider: I was talking to jml about writing a page on the wiki about this. [06:39] yes, i know [06:39] For a Python app, my recommendation is to first make a proper setup.py using distutils. [06:39] distutils ? [06:40] That's a Python module for making distributable modules and apps. It's not Debian specific. [06:40] oh, i see [06:40] Once you have that, I Debian package is pretty easy to make. [06:40] I/A [06:41] i see [06:41] If you want an example of a relatively simple Python application, you can apt-get source pypolicyd-spf. That's one I did. [06:41] and is it quality checked or something? [06:41] Before it hits an official repository, yes. [06:41] btw new openoffice with the hang fix applied is in gutsy now [06:41] waiting for build on the various archs [06:41] i will, this sia simple appa ctually, and i havnt found similar applications for some reason... [06:41] We check to ensure it's legal to distribute and is installed in such a way as to be unlikely to harm the rest of the system. [06:41] Yeahhh Calc. [06:42] If it's somewhat buggy, but supported and fixed, that's OK. [06:42] we should remove the -gtk/-gnome dep in kubuntu meta since its not needed anymore [06:42] Buggy, but unsupported by upstream will get removed. [06:42] calc: Agreed, but probably a topic for #kubuntu-devel. [06:43] i hope i can have my program ready by the end of the week [06:43] Then you upload it to REVU. [06:43] !REVU|soulrider [06:43] soulrider: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [06:44] hmm yea good idea ;) [06:44] Also note that our new package freeze for Gutsy is 30 Aug and so it'll be tight at this point. [06:44] thank you ScottK, i also couldnt find that package you told me to install though [06:44] What version of Ubuntu are you running? [06:44] ScottK, so if it were to appear it wont appear until gutsy +1 ? [06:44] 7.10 [06:44] OK. [06:44] 04, sorry [06:44] soulrider: Another option is specto: "apt-get source specto" should work in Feisty. [06:45] pypolicyd-spf also exists, but whatever. [06:45] I've got to get to bed soon anyway. [06:45] Eh ;) [06:45] ill check those links out, thanks for the help [06:46] I'm just saying that if you've got a good example, that's fine too, but I have to get to bed. [06:46] Good night all. [06:46] it cant find that source either =/ i think i disabled the source repos. ill find it in apckages.ubuntu [06:47] Oh, god. Another "please break LSB directory structure" thread. === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] RAOF: where? :) [06:51] Ubuntuforums, where else :) [06:51] ajmitch: Here, if you really want a direct link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=530915 === ajmitch cries [06:52] Indeed. [06:52] even my phone follows the FHS [06:52] Not actually "more organised", as far as I can see, anyway. [06:53] ajmitch: Really? What's your phone? [06:53] just got it today, neo1973 [06:54] Cool, I suppose. I haven't actually heard of that. [06:54] user dirs directly under / [06:54] that doesn't scale well [06:55] RAOF: yea that design looks like a mac user wanting linux to work like it [06:55] RAOF: www.openmoko.org [06:55] RAOF: or something similar [06:55] that isn't to say there aren't places that FHS could be improved, but not in a breaking unix manner way [06:55] ajmitch: Ooooh, one of *those* phones. [06:56] yep :) [06:56] the layout under the user dirs is already implemented in gnome 2.19 [06:57] The freedesktop user dirs thingy? Yeah, most of them. [07:00] oh is that a fdo spec, cool :) === calc loves fdo :) [07:00] Yes. [07:01] Huzzah for XDG basedir spec! === calc wrote menu-xdg :) [07:02] too bad i didn't push harder to get debian to stop using menu files and go to desktop files :\ [07:02] while i was maintaining KDE === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] calc: Noone would have listened, you were just the crazy KDE maintainer. :-P [07:33] Now he's the even crazier OOO maintainer. [07:34] Agreed. :-) [07:34] But he's getting paid for it, so he can't be that crazy. [07:34] That's true. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] I'm searching the rules for naming a package. can't find it on the wiki :( [07:48] What kind of package [07:49] I'm interested how I see if a package has ubuntu specific changes [07:49] If it's got "ubuntu" in the version, yes. [07:49] What RAOF said. [07:49] If I have to change something on the debian/controls file do I have to name it ubuntu? [07:50] The version will become x.y-$DEBIAN_REVISIONubuntu1, yes. [07:51] Oh, unless it's a native package, which it almost certainly isn't. [07:51] :( [07:51] (The native packages approximate a set of measure 0 on the archive) === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] I don't understand the ":(". After touching the package you have to bump the package version anyway. === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-128-244.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] The problem is how do I check if I can request a sync from debian. On the wiki they say i have to check if there are ubuntu changes [07:57] elmargol: Firstly, if you need to change debian/control then it's a merge, not a sync. Secondly, is there any particular reason why the debian package should be merged? [07:59] Well we have gnunet-0.7.2b now. and still gnunet-gtk 0.7.1c so yes there is a reason [07:59] elmargol: UVF is in effect, and the auto-syncher got turned off before that. You need a good reason (ie: bugs fixed) before we even consider it. [07:59] s/we consider/it should be considered/ [08:01] elmargol: Is it a bugfix release? [08:01] !info emacs21 gutsy [08:01] emacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1977 kB, installed size 5928 kB [08:02] emacs: the only text-editor/operating system [08:02] I assume there's a security bug, then :) [08:02] is the security patch included? CVE-2007-2833 [08:02] Emacs 21 allows user-assisted attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via certain crafted images, as demonstrated via a GIF image in vm mode, related to image size calculation. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2833) [08:02] i just uploaded an NMU (21.4a+1-5.1) to unstable [08:03] aptitude changelog suggests not [08:04] RAOF: I ask upsteam about this [08:04] RAOF: what is the ubuntu change? [08:04] elmargol: It's entirely possible to *get* an exception. It's just that we want a reason other than "higher version number!!!!11" :) [08:05] white: libpng3->12, desktop file changes, -fno-stack-protector, and a couple of extra metapackages [08:05] The changelog has some entries about bugfixing and some minor features [08:06] You probably want to read [08:06] !uvf [08:06] uvf is Upstream Version Freeze. For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] RAOF: then you might want to merge, check out: http://developer.skolelinux.no/~white/security/emacs21/CVE-2007-2833.diff [08:08] Emacs 21 allows user-assisted attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via certain crafted images, as demonstrated via a GIF image in vm mode, related to image size calculation. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2833) [08:08] ubotu: you said that already, know when you have to talk and when not [08:11] white: If no one else grabs it, I'll look at it this evening. Along with working out the UVFe process for Miro & xserver-xgl. === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU is mostly back up on an interim server === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by ScottK at Sat Aug 18 21:19:29 2007 === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] RAOF: no, libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't have python bindings; can you point me to .dsc file again? [09:26] POX_: http://www.cooperteam.net/miro_0.9.8.1-0ubuntu1.dsc . And it doesn't matter that libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't have python bindings, since democracyplayer provides it's own xine bindings. [09:27] My understanding is that libxine1-ffmpeg merely enhances an existing libxine, and as such requires no special bindings. [09:27] My understanding may, of course, be faulty. [09:28] well, if so, I guess it should be recommended by xine, not miro [09:28] (IMHO) [09:28] Possibly. [09:29] However, other things (rhthmbox, for example) recommend gstreamer plugin packages; this is an equivalent situation. [09:29] Man, what a traversty of "rhythmbox" :) === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] POX_: Incidentally, have you talked with Uwe about miro at all? He's the democracyplayer maintainer. === macogw [n=maco@unaffiliated/macogw] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [09:31] no, but you can mail him :) [09:31] Yeah, I'm planning to. [09:31] I guess sometimes it's easier to upload your packages to Debian first, right ScottK? :) [09:32] Not when it's easier to actually get them to run on Ubuntu :) [09:32] at least 2 of my sponsorees with @ubuntu.com email address are saying that [09:33] It's certianly recommended. And the process for getting into Debian really doesn't seem much more daunting than REVU -> Universe. [09:33] Although that's *after* I've had a couple of packages through that route, of course. [09:33] well, I don't know, I always just ask for syncs :) [09:34] Also a winner :) [09:35] RAOF: btw, libboost-python in debian is using python2.4 again [09:35] but miro will work with 2.5 in Debian as well [09:36] (I requested for binNMUs) [09:37] Yeah, I heard care of Uwe. How will miro handle that? [09:37] well, if I were Uwe, I would use python-central, it handles such packages beter than pysupport [09:38] hint: current kayword [09:38] keyword [09:39] Oh, yeah. === RAOF finally gets it [09:41] you can replace "DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION = 2.5" with "DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION = ($shell pyversions -vd 2>/dev/null)" === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-34-125.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva_ [n=sasa@89.216.129.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crummygummy_ [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rugueux [n=wsb@217-162-134-236.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] I need some help for packaging a multibinary ;) can so help ? [10:10] in fact I have a makefile from the source that make everythingp in one place, dh_make is putting everything in debian/tm === Jazzva__ [n=sasa@89.216.129.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] i've created a pkg.install file with /usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 in it, but dh_make say cannot stat libsane-epkow... [10:14] I don't think you want full paths in install file. Also, dh_make won't be saying anything, since you only run it once to create the template package. [10:14] I mean debuild [10:15] the file libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 is present in debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.1.0.15 [10:16] if I don't put full path in install file, where should I specify the target directory ? [10:18] rugueux: So, the file has two usages. You can just list files you want to install (relative to the base-dir), so you might be after a line like "debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/libsane-epkowa.so.0.15" [10:18] rugueux: That will put the file where you expect in the package (in /usr/lib/sane/...) [10:19] rugueux: Alternatively, you can have 2 paths on a line. That tells dh_install to move the file from the left hand path to the right hand path. [10:20] "debian/tmp/usr/lib/sane/*.so.* debian/pkgname/usr/lib/notsane/" [10:20] ok ! fine ! It is easy when you know it ;) thank you, I'm trying === apachelogger [n=me@N726P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-159.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LucidFox [n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva__ is now known as Jazzva\ === Jazzva\ is now known as Jazzva === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N726P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva is now known as Jazzva|away === jekil [n=alessand@host129-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === simu [n=simon@212-41-115-29.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === instabin|work [n=instabin@c-68-45-153-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7264D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] Question. [12:01] Does the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes? [12:02] hi there [12:02] someone here has an hp printer with an embeded fax ? === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-116.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.234] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Ok. Let's check that miro really builds & runs, and learn how to file a UVFe request... === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davrobaniak [n=clavier@213.218.130.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] hi everybody [12:39] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7 <== if any MOTU can take 5 mins to take a look at this package, he will receive a virtual hug, :) === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ref [n=ref@201-27-199-227.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ref [n=ref@201-27-199-227.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=21 -> please someone nuke this one. thx [01:03] Kmos: diff -run gedit-2.16.0/ gedit-2.18.0/ | diffstat > diffstat.txt for example [01:04] that's what diff -ruN -{old-version,new-version} | diffstat > diffstat.txt is supposed to mean [01:04] thx [01:05] dholbach: i first apply the diff, right ? [01:06] compare the old package to the new package [01:06] where package means extracted source code [01:06] so no diff is applied === apachelogger_ [n=me@N845P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] which diff do you refer to? [01:07] the debian/ diff? [01:07] yeah, apply it [01:08] ah [01:08] yeah.. i mean that one [01:08] ok good === dholbach -> lunch [01:08] thx === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] sudo pbuilder build *.dsc --logfile pbuilder.log [01:56] isn't this correct? [01:56] isn't saving the log [01:58] Kmos: I never used that option but try putting *.dsc at the end [02:03] jrib: thx === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-182.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] jrib: it worked.. thanks === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr [n=lmr@32.104.18.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@201.56.109.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] mornin' people :) === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] Evening Hobbsee. [02:18] Hi Hobbsee [02:19] Kmos: Is rdiff-backup is Universe or Main? [02:19] hi [02:19] Hello Hobbsee === annodomini [n=bpc@pool-71-169-140-20.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee waves [02:20] ScottK: main [02:20] Hobbsee, zul, StevenK, ScottK, gpocentek Can I safely assume that native packages, such as those for ubuntustudio, such as ubuntustudio-look, ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-icon-theme, ubuntustudio-meta etc are ok to go through without review, as these are native packages, for use in putting the ubuntuStudio distribution together? [02:20] ScottK: main [02:20] Hmmm [02:20] Hobbsee: are you going to merge texfam? [02:21] ScottK: Daniel Holbach told me to do the process [02:21] Kmos: Then why did you assign MOTU UVF? [02:21] OK. [02:21] ask him why [02:21] Do the Main process, not the MOTU process. [02:21] TheMuso: Let me think. [02:21] I except it's because he didn't actually look assuming you had already checked. [02:22] TheMuso: I'm not sure why you would assume that? I think it bears discussing. [02:22] ScottK: so I need to assign the bug to which team? [02:22] there is a main uvf ? [02:22] Kmos: I have no idea. [02:22] there is a main mvf ? [02:22] :) [02:23] I just know it's not us. [02:23] ScottK: This is why I am asking. Maybe safely assuming is not the right words, but I wanted to check with you guys first. The ubuntustudio guys still want to get things such as art etc in, and since these are all native packages... [02:23] Kmos: Of course there is. [02:23] it would be *very* helpful if my connection to irc didnt die. [02:24] geser: i wasnt planning on it [02:24] LongPointyStick: More fun this way. [02:24] StevenK: :) [02:24] StevenK: what's the name of it ? [02:24] Kmos: yes, ubuntu-release (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-August/000327.html) [02:24] I think it's -release === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] Gah [02:25] TheMuso: I'm not sure that all of these should be native [02:25] geser: thx [02:25] ah, nm [02:25] that was not the question... [02:25] LongPointyStick: so I can merge it? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] TheMuso: well, for ubuntustudio stuff certainly, it's on their own heads, and wont affect the rest of the distro, if htey break it, native packaging or not. [02:27] i wouldnt want to blanket-exclude all native packages, though [02:27] geser: if you wish === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] TheMuso: I had a similar question about UVF and native packages and IIRC was told to decided based on the changes if it needs an UVFe or not. I don't know if this changed. [02:28] Hobbsee: Well I can certainly give you an assurance of it not breaking too badly, as I will likely be reviewing everything that gets uploaded anyway. I am their point person for uploads. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] TheMuso: cool [02:31] Hobbsee, ScottK, StevenK: while we are the topic: does every upload of a native package (strictly speaking it's a new version) to Debian need an UVFe or only for big changes? [02:32] That's a good question. Strictly speaking it would need a UVFe. === ScottK agrees. [02:32] geser: which also is the same for bzr revisions. === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] it really depends how much we trust our MOTU's who are uploading. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.98.179] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] But that's always true. With UVF we are already past the you're a MOTU so we trust you point in the process. === ScottK things they should do a UVFe, even if only file a bug and ask "does this one need a UVFe". [02:36] ScottK: but it's still possible to upload/sync new revisions without needing an UVFe [02:37] But these aren't just revisions. [02:37] Do we need a separate Native Package Freeze? [02:38] I don't believe that's needed [02:39] Technically, I guess, native packages aren't "Upstream" versions. === ScottK gives up and punts to StevenK. [02:40] the question is should one "backport" a bug fix from a native package and upload it as ubuntu1 or do a UVFe. in both cases you get the same source but with diffent versioning. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] of course depending on the amount of the changes [02:42] it's clear that a major rewrite of a native package needs a UVFe but does a e.g. 5-lines-diff need it also? [02:44] If someone here has some time to review, please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=19 and/or http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=22? (Re: this month's discussion on the mailing list, I intend to maintain the packages once they have been accepted) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host143-234-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [i=tmarble@nat/sun/session] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] hello all [02:48] Hi norsetto [02:49] geser: hi :-) [02:50] geser: i wouldnt think anything <30 lines or something needed a UVFe, tbh. the MOTU (and hopeful, if it's a sponsorship) should be able to eyeball that well. [02:50] geser: thx for your note on bug 133689 [02:50] Launchpad bug 133689 in gobby "Please merge gobby (0.4.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133689 [02:51] Ok guys. Would it be easier if I emailed you all and we discussed it that way? [02:52] TheMuso: probably a good idea [02:52] Ok, will do. [02:52] hey norsetto [02:53] whats changelog.in for ? [02:53] bug 133833 [02:53] Launchpad bug 133833 in Ubuntu "Please sync pixman from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133833 [02:53] it's valid from experimental ? [02:53] xxxxx1: hi 5x1! [02:54] gotta go, wife wants to go shopping ...... [02:55] Kmos: Why is that package in Experimental and not in Unstable? [02:55] Kmos: yes, it's possible to sync from experimental. And I except that a core-dev knows what he's doing. So the sync is ok. [02:55] :) [02:56] he didn't subscribe ubuntu-archive [02:56] or any other [02:56] Kmos: which suggests that he still knows what he's doing, and is planning to add more to the bug. [02:57] yes, he added U-A [02:57] checked activity log [02:57] Hobbsee: ok === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-183-215.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThibG [n=ThibG@abo-247-238-68.guy.modulonet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] hi [03:04] ScottK: clamav ackd'. [03:05] Hobbsee: Thanks. [03:05] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=7 <== if any MOTU can take 5 mins to take a look at this package, he will receive a virtual hug, :) [03:05] I'm still recreating my pbuilder and such so I can properly test it. [03:05] ok [03:05] ScottK: as in, i'll blanket-ack that, on the condition that the uploader checks for, and updates, any reverse dependancies as required each time [03:05] If someone could sync the REVU uploaders keyring, please :) [03:07] Ok, email sent. [03:08] Hobbsee: This is a bugfix update, so there shouldn't be any rdepends issues like there were going 0.8x to 0.9x. The only new feature defaults off and I'm not turning it on. [03:08] yeah - i was meaning for clamav in general [03:08] OK. I completely understand about the rdepends concerns. === persia wonders if anyone has a pointer to a verified host key for the new REVU [03:09] I need to go take my dog to the vet, but if someone would have a look at why my pbuilder creation fails: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34523 I'd really appreciate it. === ScottK will read the scrollback when I get back. [03:10] The box in question is a fresh install running Gutsy. === LucidFox [n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] I've not used pbuilder for long, but you should try to manually unmount /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/proc and /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/sys, before retrying... You can also use lsof to see if something is using it === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] ScottK, === cassidy [n=cassidy@174.112-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] do do do [03:23] <_MMA_> da da da === _MMA_ couldnt resist. === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-34-125.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.234] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:43] ThibG: Thanks. === ScottK is back === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.243.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] ScottK, does it work ? [03:55] It's busy with something. I haven't figured out what yet. [03:56] another shell ? [03:57] In the worst case, reboot, it'll not be mounted at boot time [03:57] I haven't figured out the right combination of lsof and grep to yield an interesting result yet. [03:57] Yes, but I've tried that before and get the same failure. [03:57] er... strange [03:57] Yeah. [03:58] I had rebuilt this install doing an experimental (I know it's not supported) Dapper --> Gutsy direct upgrade. I ran into this problem and couldn't sort it. I assumed it was some artifact of my odd upgrade and re-installed fresh. Same problem. [04:00] what's the output of mount ? === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] ThibG: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34526/ [04:05] that looks ok... [04:07] and the output of lsof /var/cache/pbuilder/build//7009/ ? [04:08] Nothing [04:08] ok [04:08] does /var/cache/pbuilder/build/7009 contain anything? [04:08] I just tried umount again and now it claims it's not mounted [04:09] It did earlier. === ScottK2 looks [04:09] It still has proc/ and sys/ [04:09] and are proc/ and sys/ empty ? [04:10] no [04:10] hm ok === Jazzva|away [n=sasa@cable-89-216-129-52.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] you could try pbuilder clean, now, since proc/ and sys/ are not mounted [04:11] "/proc in the chroot appears identical to the real /proc [04:11] OK. I'll try that [04:13] That fails too. I'm using a script to call pbuilder that I didn't write. I'll try again without the script and see how that goes. === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix is now known as fredix_away === atlas95_ [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-53-106.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.237.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N860P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl54009C02.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] Same problem with just pbuilder directly. Urgh. [04:38] that's strange... looks like that /proc is binded to proc/, but you can't unmount it... [04:38] Yes. [04:38] That's exactly what it looks like to me. [04:38] The last pbuilder update was a month ago, so I expect if it was broken, we'd know. [04:39] to me, that's not related to pbuilder itself, but to the kernel [04:39] Hi [04:39] Hi toutouff. [04:39] dholbach: welcome back btw [04:40] I have package where the .desktop file is not in the debian/ dir. Am I authorized to edit in anyway ? [04:40] zul: thanks [04:40] ThibG: I'm working my way from not scary ideas to scary ideas. [04:40] s/edit in/edit it/ [04:43] ScottK, hm... it is saying that it isn't mounted, or that it can't be unmounted ? [04:43] already mounted. [04:44] and if you try umount ? === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34529/ [04:45] I remember having a similar problem with a chroot on edgy eft [04:47] getty opened a file descriptor on the chroot/proc and chroot/sys directories... I had to reboot === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] Urgh. Well I started this install on an Edgy server CD because that's what I could find, so maybe I've got the same problem. === hjmf [n=hjmf@7.Red-83-44-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@201.56.109.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] ScottK, I upgrade since dapper, and it happened only one time [05:00] OK. [05:00] This happens every time. so not the same thing I'm sure then. [05:01] Thanks for all your help. I'm not quite sure what to try next. [05:02] I'm sorry I can't help you, I'm on Feisty, and I can't see why it won't unmount... === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] No problem. I really do appreciate the help so far. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix_away is now known as fredix === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [05:06] hmm. how would one fix bug 132587 ? have rules go into each dir and run make manually? plain old ./configure && make && make install works fine. [05:06] Launchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132587 [05:08] And... shouldn't all packages have a 'compat' file, instead of "export DH_COMPAT=4" === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@dsl-241-174-87.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:11] ryanakca: both ways worked but IIRC the export version is deprecated now (and gives a linda/lintian warning or error) [05:12] ok, so, update it. And, shouldn't it be 5 now? === ScottK sees new kernel bits starting to pile up in binary NEW, so maybe I'll just wait a bit. [05:14] change it only to 5 when you know that it doesn't break the package [05:14] ok. and the bug? === soulrider [n=mauro@r190-64-147-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18]